ZOEY AND MADDIE DEUTCH Went Gorilla Trekking

Hey, budgie. Hey, Sufi. How's it going? Good. How are you? Good. Axel goes to like an arts camp and he was in a play This week. Okay. Wow. What was the play? So the there's a different theme every week at the camp and this theme the theme this week was space And they write their own place the play was four and a half minutes long. Great. I'll send you a video No, perfect. I'll watch all of it and Addy goes to camp with him and so it's really fun because they kind of rehearse they write and rehearse the play all week and Axel was like I'm Astronaut named Bob for whatever reason Axel's favorite name is Bob. He says hey Bob to everybody. All right. Yeah. It is a great name. It's great name Yeah, also one of my favorite things Is one time Axel said to me if I have a kid I'm gonna name it a Lexi Oh, he said if he goes if I have a daughter, I'm gonna name it Alexi and I go. Oh, that's really nice And what if you have a son? What are you gonna name it? And he said Bob let I was like oh, you're just impossible to predict so anyway I knew that Axel was gonna be an astronaut and Addy was gonna be an alien But Addy did not have any lines. Okay, but Axel had a lot of lines. So anyway one of the parents sent me a video of this Play that was last Thursday, and I was in New York doing the show Axel's really good great now one of the reasons he's elevated beyond his other castmates only wanted to costume They're all just kids in camp clothes and Axel were a full What's the the toy story dude Buzz Lightyear. Yeah full Buzz Lightyear Which he might wear on a day when he's not on a regular day. Yeah, they might have been just like circumstance Serendipity that he's dressed for the part But they sang a song They they discovered a new planet The aliens came out were mostly just the kids ever too young to have lines and I would say their performance match that their energy was was that But it was great. I was really fun to watch. I'm very happy with his performance Yeah, so what do you know what the theme next week will be? International trade Yeah, it was fairies and trolls space, and then I think it's international trade. Yeah, well, maybe he can play punky. Yeah. Oh, he'll play bonky Monkey donkey How about you? How's everything going good? I'm off to as we record this I'm off to Comic-Con later today So my list of everything I need you to buy for me. Yeah And then yeah, I've got a lot of stuff coming up. I'm kind of birthday Weekend with our pal Brendan Hunt who has just been all over This World Cup. He and yes, Rebecca Lowe have had this podcast and then I Texted him and he at some point it texted you and I during the World Cup, and he was like, hey, I Might try to go to this hot the next Holland game. It's gonna be on the 4th of July It's gonna be in Houston He's like, but I don't want to get ahead of it because first Holland will have to beat Morocco Yeah, but I'm just putting this in the back of your mind and I really was like, am I gonna go to Houston for the 4th of July for a soccer game? and I was like, I probably would and then sure enough Holland loses and So I knew he was traveling all over and he was going to see all these games and he was doing this podcast and I Reached out before the final and I was like, hey, are you gonna get to be at the final and he's like, yes I will be there and I was like, oh awesome, and then I'm watching at home and he's in the halftime show Yeah, he and Jason today because they're in the halftime show to introduce Justin Bieber and as Bieber is walking on to the pitch Brandon is holding up the sort of substitution thing that just says believe and He made no mention that he was yeah going to be in In the show, which is awesome. I did not know that until I returned home and our text chain was exploding with praise for Brando Because I was at the game and when you're at the game, you don't watch the halftime show. Yeah, yeah You you just drink some you just drink some beers and but it was so I had the best time at I mean it was so hot and It was obviously logistically a little tricky getting there, but a man oh man so glad I went so much fun And you I mean it was a it was a great game Yeah, Spain Argentina and you happen to be sitting behind a pretty big Spain fan chef Jose Andreas not only a huge a Spain fan, but what I'm gonna say one of the best 10 Living humans. Yeah, as far as what they give back to the world and So I went in a little agnostic about who I wanted to win and then I just saw The friendliest happiest most lovely man, and I wanted good things to happen for him and I was dreading That it would be a game that would go to penalty kicks and so relieved that it did not yeah, and It was just great. Yeah, yeah, it really it was it was a great Tournament and I had some some friends over here to watch the final, but It's yeah, it always you know the euros. We always sort of watch and and the World Cup we watch and it was It was great. I you know did a few of the games at bars with a bunch of people a few of the games at home with some friends and Kind of couldn't take my eyes off it. Yeah, I'm a little sad. It's over. Yeah, I Especially it you know, like you said, it was it was very disappointing for those of us who love the Dutch, but you know what? People are happy that happiness. Yeah, happiness rains Which is what man we got lucky we got to speak to some really nice sisters this week. Yeah, the Deutsch sisters the doiches Maddie never just Zoe and And I you know what I love Sisters any siblings really who are both Truly themselves with each other own their foibles own own the bumps of their upbringing mm-hmm, and yeah So it was a great conversation. We laughed a lot and we really do hope that you enjoy it I will also say just as a quick teaser I Think the song for this one was a little out of my range. Oh Vocally a little out of my range, but I couldn't back off it was written I got into my little closet to record it. Yeah, I couldn't back off I am thank you for letting everybody know in advance. Yeah, I know I just I'm letting you know that I know sound off in the comments If you think that the the posh is being true about how out of his range it was All right, love y'all love you Sufie. Love you Paji Yes, same computer. Hello. Hey guys Sister same computer. Are you guys usually this co-dependent? Yeah, yeah, great question. Yeah That's great. It's nice. I'm asking. I have not made one decision myself my entire life So my my wife and her sister are the same age gap four years and just deeply co-dependent Have they always been yeah, I mean, I think well, I want it. I was gonna ask I does feel like there were some bully years And so Matty I'll let you answer first. Do you feel like and no just no. I'm gonna let Zoe go next Do you feel like you were a bully? Yes? Okay, no hesitation. No hesitation. No shame. No regret Yeah, no, I was not like our poor mom. She got a Scorpio and an Aries She didn't get a break and yeah, but I thought back. That's the thing she might have bullied me But I I tried to bully her back. So yes, I think she's had it's we've I think there's been an equal amount of torture Yeah, was it was it physical or more psychological? both One time I was so pissed off with her I don't know how I thought this is it didn't get to you. Do you remember when I went into your closet and I took Every piece of your clothing out of all the drawers all of the shelves and I threw them on the ground Yeah, oh, I thought you were gonna talk about the time you stole a bunch of my stuff and then like went to a rave and Like cut stuck in the rain and ruined like all my favorite things The second one is more understandable the second one is I needed an outfit You know, I'm in a steal and I've the first one is a real psycho move of Any any time the crime includes the word everything remember when I did everything When I took everything out because there's just it takes so long And at no point that did Zoe like take her foot off the gas is really great to me But let's go back because I do think this has been unfair We've talked about two bullying incidences from me. Do you have any sort of things you want to share to the class about ways in which you bullied me There's two met there's really too many to count. It's um, I I have not been a good person. (laughing) - We're working on that still, now we're working on it. - But did you, so my question is with that age gap, like at what point do you become peers? Like at what point does the four years disappear and you become just friends? 'Cause it seems like you are. - I have a specific memory of Zoe visiting me when I was in college and I started college early. I was like 17 and she came to me and it was like, (laughing) and it was literally, no, I just-- - I started at 17 'cause 16 seemed too early, so I deferred for a year. (laughing) - You know what that's called? It's called never doing my math homework and cheating the entire way. - Oh, great. - That is, my only recurring nightmare is that they go, you have to go back to high school and do math. - Yeah. - But she came to visit me and I like, I have a, it was kind of like a core memory. I remember you coming to visit me in New York and it felt like the first time. You were young, you were probably 15, 14 and a half years old. - I just graduated college. (laughing) - You took a year off before postdoc? - Yeah, I sort of wanted to wander, travel, see the world. - Yeah, but I remember that being really sweet 'cause it felt like the first time we were also out of our parents' environment and I think it helps very younger sibling too when the older one goes and they get to get like the focus, you know what I mean? I think that's where the younger kid for a beat. - I don't know if your wife talks with us too with her sister but the level of difference between us as human beings because of your hormones when you're like 13 versus 17 is just so astronomical that it got so much easier the closer. - Yeah. - I feel like once I turned 17, I feel like we started to. - Yeah, and then the problem is you decide to have kids and then your hormones go buck wild again. (laughing) - Yeah, and you're like, "I need to turn on my sister." - Yeah, it's really unwel again. - You're like, "Oh, I remember what I do "in troubling times of hormones. I turn on my kin." (laughing) - When Zoe came to visit you, Maddie, did you, like, were you taking her to parties or were you sort of doing more tame college things because she was 14 or 15? - We're definitely part. - Yeah, I think we're part. I think, but also Zoe was like really mature for her age, like, she could definitely hang. I think we probably went to some college parties. - Maddie, when I had my first, so I got emancipated. I started working at, I think, around 14 or so, and I asked if I could get emancipated so that I could work legal hours. 'Cause I honestly just was more work to, like, go sit in the classroom and I couldn't focus on the work. I was just on the homework. I was like, "I wanted to learn and see everything." So I got emancipated, but I still, my mom was still like, "I don't know, I want you to have a legal guardian." It was my first time going on location to bat. - I was where was it? - No. - New Orleans. - Maddie came and was my legal guardian when she was, you were 18? - No, I was, I was 20, 'cause I had graduated college a year early also 'cause I cheated my way to college. (laughing) - Also early, but also because I'm a degenerate. And I was so rudderless that our mom was just like, you are purposeless, like, you have to go. She was like, "So we need a supervention." She's insane. - Well, both, I was purposeless and you were insane. And so she was like, you have to go be with her in New Orleans, but it was like a free for all. - But when I imagine, like, I'm a child, you're a child, you're taking care of me, weren't you, New Orleans? - Yeah. - It was so-- - Living on pretty, I'm not assuming. - I actually had it. It's very funny that your mom would have what, looking back, was just a terrible instinct. (laughing) Like, that it was born of concern for Zoe's well-being. And then it seems like, and again, we're very, you know, early into our relationship, Maddie, but it does seem like you were just a terrible choice. (laughing) - I think I was the absolute worst possible choice. - But you know what, what my mom's greatest hope and wishes is that we stay close and stay friends. Her greatest nightmare is the family, you know, pulling apart. - Yeah. - She just is so obsessed with us staying together and not fighting and be. So she didn't care what happened on the trip. As long as we were okay, we were friends. We were, you know, having a good, I think that that was, that's like her, that's how it feels until she sees this and she's like, "Whoa, what happened on the trip?" (laughing) - You did major in guardianship, though, right, Maddie? So what? - Yeah, exactly. One year's old, I was meadering and being a grown-up. - Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, Maddie. New Orleans is a good place. You know, there's a lot of guardrails just there. - Oh really? - Yeah. - There's four spots, or sorry, drive through Dacquery. - They're like hurricanes and like, yeah. - Yes, it was awesome, good time. - It was great times. I had a memory the other day of going to a yoga class and my dinner after New Orleans that night was, I went to a bar across the street, had two whiskeys and a bag of chips. (laughing) - Perfect. - That was, that was Chelsea, yeah. - Are you, do you guys feel like you were, I have a stereotype about L.A. kids, which is you just, like New York kids, which I'm raising now, so, you know, no judgment, but like that you do, in general, mature faster. Did you feel like when you went out to like college and stuff, it, Maddie, you were like, oh, most kids aren't where I'm at. - I have such a mixed answer on this because L.A. is also weirdly like a small town. So, like Zoe and I both have the same thing where our best friends now. We have like three or four of the same best friends that have been our best friends since we were like four or five. So, there's this weird, super close knit thing, I think that happens. And also, I feel like because it's such a major kind of city, people like leave, but they always come back. So, it's all your people from your childhood are kind of like still here. So, I think it's like yes and no, but in terms of like going out, going to shows, yeah, I guess that happened, but I do think it's crazy in New York. My friends that grew up in the city, I feel like really mature and super vast. - Where are you guys from? - New Hampshire. - We've been southern New Hampshire. It's like an hour north of Boston, but very like American suburb. Like more, I always feel like my wife first came to New Hampshire. I think she was picturing Robert Frost and she was like, oh, TCBY, I'm like, yes. (laughing) - And where's your wife from? - She's from New Mexico. And like when you go where she grew up is exactly what you picture from New Mexico, you know? - Which part of New Mexico? - She's between Albuquerque and Santa Fe. - And so, yeah. - Yeah, it's great. New Mexico, I love New Mexico so much for three days. And then I'm like, all right, I need to eat some other kinds of foods. - Yeah, you don't just want the green chilies. - Yeah, we wanted a lot for like three days. And then you're like small intestines like, hey, let's get on the horn with Delta. Get out of here. - I feel like the truth is, I agree with you. I agree with you that there's like an element of growing up pretty fast in either New York or L.A. But I don't want to believe that because I, but I think you're right. I think it's-- - But you guys also, your parents are, you know, we're in the entertainment industry. But then you also, at least from what I've read, like grew up on like a little ranch sort of a thing with a lot of animals. So you weren't necessarily just like Hollywood kids. - Well, we're pretty Hollywood. I know you're pretty Hollywood, but was that your life or was it sort of sectioned off? - Guess who's not a reliable narrator? (laughing) - Double Neffo. - Yeah, our mom, God bless her, was like so obsessed with trying to do whatever she could until like push as much as possible against, I don't know, whatever the culture of L.A. It can be, so you used to get a lot of compliments from flight attendants being like, - Your kids are really well behaved. And I think to her, that was the height of like-- - Right. - I mean, our mom was like strict in the sense. - She was. - For sure. Like, I would not call, I would not say she, I mean, it wasn't a trend then, but like gentle parenting with that. You know what I mean? She was really wanted us like be polite and like, - Yeah. - So up and look adult. - Yeah, that life she was strict on. - Yeah, yeah. - She had no ability in terms of me going crazy as a kid. She couldn't, she couldn't. But our mom always said, this is like a little deep, but our mom always says this like beautiful thing about Zoe that I feel like I really resonate. I have a one and a half year old now and a girl and I feel like I really resonate listening to her talk about this. She always used to say this thing about raising Zoe, which was like, she was like, I intuited from seeing her as a little girl that I could either like try to break her spirit because she was so like bombastic and alive in the world and confident and big. Like I could either try to crush her spirit or I could just like take the risk of like letting her fly and just kind of like be who she was, which was like scarier, 'cause it was like a lot of energy and a lot of person was scary. - Yeah. - So I really love that as a parent. It's such a like beautiful thing to like acknowledge kind of who your kid actually is and then be like, okay, I'm gonna try and really let them be mad. - It's very funny to me that there's another telling of that story where it ends with and then my mom decided to break her spirit. (laughing) And yet Zoe prevailed and when she was about 12, my mom said, you win, Zoe. - Well, since we are, you know, it's family trips speaking of squashing a spirit. We should mention we have unfortunately squashed our mother's spirit. in the context of traveling, which my mother-- - Like a past. - My mom won't travel, she cannot-- Even the idea of the airport, the idea of a plane, she sent into like a different dimension of her personality and she says, it's because we were so traumatic to travel with. Despite her, all the things, despite attendance said that we were polite, maybe we took it out on her, but she has this like-- - We've got some bad stuff. - She has this like, undelt with anxiety over traveling with, 'cause she had to travel a lot with two kids alone, without my dad or any, and you know whatever, which almost people do, I get, and I now see how hard it is with you and Robbie, but we have since seen the effects of what we've done to her when we fight. - You can't calm down. She has to go to the airport like four hours early. She's like running through the terminal. She completely abandoned you. She's like, "We have to get there, yeah!" - It's intense. - Well, Maddie, you said you did some bad stuff. What kind of bad stuff were you guys doing? - I mean, apparently I threw tantrums, so my mom has a story of like, I threw tantrums so bad that she locked herself in the bathroom and let everyone else get off the plane. (laughing) She was pretty good looking at anyone in the eye. She's like stayed in the bathroom with me for an extra like 40 minutes, until no one was on the plane. And I think it was a lot of that. I think you were better to travel with than I was. It goes back to me being a bully. - Yeah, it also sounds like again, just based on this bathroom thing, everybody's better to travel with than you. (laughing) Like, I mean, that's like Damien in the Omen. I feel like even his mom was like, I don't think we gotta go in the bathroom for 40 minutes. (laughing) - How has it been traveling with your one and half year old? Oh, it's so hard. I mean, Josh, you have kids too. - I do not know. - Yeah, but I got them. We're over the hump with, because again, our youngest is our daughter and she matured faster to begin with. And so, we really now flying is kind of, I wouldn't say it's lovely, but it is so lovely compared to what it used to be like that it feels like. The vacation officially starts on the plane because the kids are just like self-sufficient and they wanna do their own thing. - Yeah. - And when that day comes, Maddie, you'll be a happy person. - I'm really excited today, not coming soon. - Yeah. - But it's impressive. You guys travel a lot together with your dog and the whole thing and you're always on a plane and going on a weekend. You're like very impressive about it. - We just got delayed for 30 hours in JFK with our giant pit bull and our 18 month old. And it was wide-y old. We didn't actually leave JFK until midnight and the big, you know, when they're like overtired and it's like, they've, I don't know, it's like their energy quadruple and you cannot. Anyway, I don't have any smart thing or funny thing. It's just like literally traumatizing. You're like, what do I do? - What do you guys think about the online discourse about planes that you can get? That you can have, let me go back and speak English and not have a show. - Have you guys are open to it? - Well, I'm gonna interrupt. I don't think based on the words, this is discourse. These are-- - By the way, I'm gonna stand on the flip. Back up, press your palm and start again. I don't even know how to say it. There's a discourse about what if there was a plane you could get on and book without children on it? - Right. I, you know, God bless, but there has to be a few things left that are community. (laughing) Just like, you know, I'm sorry. - Yeah. - I have the opposite thing which is when I get on a plane and I see a baby, I'm stoked and I love babies and even if they're screaming, I'm happy because then if I'm scared about the plane or if there's turbulence, I look to the baby and be like, it's okay, like there's something else that's dogs and babies in general calm me down, even if they're freaking out. So I don't have, I'm a part of the opposite side of the discourse. I agree with you. - Do you ever think it's like good karma when you're on a plane with a screaming baby or just like, it's all good? I always thought about it like for posterity, like being into the like screaming baby piggy bank. I was like, okay, if I'm just like super chill about the screaming baby, then when I have a screaming baby, no one's gonna be mad at me. - I'm the reverse, which is I feel like I only in retrospect now I'm incredibly patient because of my kids. Like I'm not, I'm not, I'm paying it backward as opposed to forward. I'm like, hey, I feel like I owe, carmically owe people based on how many of my kids have been on planes. But I do, I'm very zen now when a baby's melting down because I know for a fact that it's worse for the parent than it is for me. - Yeah, yeah, it is. - I also think it's incumbent upon you to have noise canceling headphones and if they're somehow like, those are too expensive, you can get those like, things that people wear at gun ranges, they're not expensive, just like those headphones to just like block out like gunfire. Like just bring those, if you're, if you can't handle it, then do something like that. - I will tell you, I would be more put off by a man wearing gunfire headphones than a screaming baby. (laughing) So I would like, I would like people not to do that. (laughing) - Having been to a gun range before I actually do think a screaming baby is more upsetting than the sound of the gun. - Oh, a hundred per second, yeah. - I'm kind of with you both, you know, I see it both ways. - Yeah, they look like headphones, they just don't plug into it. - Hey, we're gonna take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. - Support comes from cash app. Hey Bosch. - Yes, you know what, are my boys are obsessed with? - What's up? - These things called teeny mates. Do you know what teeny mates are? - Have the kids ever talked to me. - So they're like little figurines of baseball football, all the sports and they come to an pack and they're just like little thumb sized, you know, TJ Watts, they're obsessed with it. To the point that I have said over the course of this summer, if you talk about teeny mates again, I'm gonna walk into the ocean and never come back. 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Oh, I was going to literally say the opposite. We would go to Montana every winter. But otherwise, we did not travel that much. You guys, you know, we went to therapy together a couple of years ago to sort of work out some whatever stuff, sister stuff. And it was wonderful. And really, really, it was really special. But one of the things we realized is we have totally different experiences. Right. The same thing that happened, and this is an example of it. I'm like, no. Was the therapist, like, here's the good news. You actually don't have to come back because you're very clearly not sisters. You have, this is accidental booking. And you should go back to whoever you're real siblings are. You actually don't think we're sisters all the time when we travel. People are always like, you guys. So not generally. Again, I don't agree because everybody who meets you is like, oh, we shit. You guys are the same. You do the same mannerisms, the same hand and things. I'm the same. We have the same facial expressions. No one, I've literally never had someone say to me like, Josh, is your brother? Well, let's start with Montana. I think we can all agree that you went to Montana. Montana so what was that we went to Montana our parents did some really really unhinged stuff that was so brave, they would take the dog with us two kids, but not only the dog, they would bring our African-Grey parrot, and we every year would get trapped in the Salt Lake City airport during a snowstorm with an African-Grey parrot and a giant black lab and the two kids, you know, they have an appetite for destruction. I mean, by the way, Maddie, next time you're on a plane and your baby's crying just say to the person next to you like, it could be worse, I could have my parrot. Yeah, no, we would go to Montana every winter and it was beautiful, our grandparents lived out there and had, and my, our grandma was an artist and we get to, you know, it's beautiful and special and very different, a very different experience obviously took growing up in L.A. And that was our mom's recipe, she was like, you L.A. kids, you're going to Montana. Every time it had come back, there'd be some other weird thing, one time we got there, there were like 17 llamas in the front yard, still figuring out what that was, but it was beautiful and we loved it. And then, you know, later in life, Maddie and I started doing like sister trips, so we've done a lot of sister trips together and we try, once a year to do a sister trip, last year we did what we do last year. Well this year we went to Switzerland, which was amazing. Wow. So what time of year did you go to Switzerland? It's a great question as my sister, who knows everything that I don't, it was like at the end of winter, but I mean it was like extraordinary because it, it was like the kind of winter you never get where it was glittering snow on the ground, beautiful, but not like frigid. It was amazing. Did you go to ski or did you just go to be, we don't do that, we don't do that. I like that you go to the places where skiers go. Montana, Switzerland, yeah, but no, we go to eat. We went to eat this little village called Silzmeria that we ended up in. That was really special and like every person we met was sort of a philosopher, like a crazy guru philosopher, like that guy ancient village and we cheesed to go to, that's amazing. What did that guy, everyone makes their own cheese, you know, everyone's like tapping a tree for like sap, it's like so cool. My wife and I went to Switzerland for like four days, we went the worst time to go which was November, everybody says like don't go in November and we still had one of the greatest trips of our life because we just took all over and we just like, we had no plan. We would just like go from, you know, Zurich to Geneva to, like little towns, but we would have so fun, you get on the trains, they were so dependable and you would just get off and go, you know, have fondue and we had the best time ever. If you're ever back there, it was a kind of accidental thing that we stumbled upon this place but it's called Jason Marchetta and it's this, it's a small boutique hotel with all that an art gallery stones and it is so unique and beautiful and like the best food and the people there were so, it was very cool. That's awesome. Lucerne. We went to Lucerne. Lucerne admin is so beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, we probably our craziest sister trip though was we went to Africa just us and we had a hairy situation. Well no, no, we had a great trip. We did Kenya. We started in Kenya. We did Kenya, Rwanda Uganda in Tanzania. So we did a, it was really spectacular. We started doing Safari in Kenya which was by far one of the most amazing, totally top life experience and then and then we went to the beach in Zanzibar and then by far my number one greatest experience of my life travel or not really was, we went trekking with the gorillas in. That's what I was wondering. We went to Uganda. We did both. Yeah. And and it was just life changing. Have you done that? Yeah. No, but it's definitely on the wish list and I've certainly never heard anybody who's done it who said it's been anything less than totally worth it. It's a, it's spectacular. People never believe me. But if I have friends that are going to Africa, they'll be like, what do I have to do? And I'm like, if you have to pick gorillas or Safari gorillas and they always send me like, I'm crazy. And I, but it, it kind of changes the way you think about human nature and all the sort of pre-programming that we have being human beings when you see them and when you're close to them. It's like, it is life change. I mean, it felt that way for me too. No, wumbling. It's so intense. It's so powerful and it's so like, it, yeah, it's like you're, and this maybe sounds stupid, but it's, it felt like I was speaking or I understood a language I didn't know I spoke without words. It was, it was, it's such a connect. You just feel so connected to these creatures. How close do you get to them? So close, Josh, a couple of you. And you're not, especially if the babies, like the babies, they'll come up to you or you're not supposed to touch them, of course. But they'll, the babies are much more curious and they'll to you and they'll sometimes play with your camera or it's beyond, it's otherworldly. And it was cool to do the trek in two different places. And we ended up actually going back. We took our parents to do the trek because it was so, I mean, the first thing we said after it, we were like mom and dad need to experience this because we're such animal people. We love animals. We grew up rescuing animals and, and you know, with our weird parrot and love freaky animals. So it was, was it a rescue parrot? Literally all the creatures were our freak. The ultimate goal here is to get the silverback mountain gorilla to Montana. Yeah. Yeah, the gorilla was like, are you guys the ones who always get stuck in the airport? Because I might want to pick a different family. But Maddie was referencing that when we were, we drove, we decided to drive from Rwanda to Uganda. Maddie, dig it away. What happened? I just, it was, we basically got kind of stuck at the border. They were sort of shaking us down for money. Money we didn't really have. We were like opening up our suitcases on the Ugandan border, like pulling pounds out from like, you know, the, the zipper pockets and we're trying to like pay them to get through the border to get where we need to go. And we were supposed to grill a track in the morning and this is evening and it's like nightfall. It's becoming darker and darker. So yeah, because of this week, we are, our drive was supposed to be during the day. And instead it was in pitch black. It gets later and later as night is falling. It literally was like, they let us go finally, yes, we, they let us cross the border. And they're like, okay, it, we didn't know this at the time, but it was basically like, if you make a right, you'll get to the hotel, if you make a left, you will end up on the side of a volcano for a drive with no power, no cell service, nowhere to stop, nowhere to stay, no road. And we made a left and started pouring rain, started pouring rain and it's the dirt road, pouring rain. Again, to be clear, this volcano is the volcano with the gorillas. And every, every moment that the car is getting stuck in the mud, you look to your left, there's a cliff on the, the right, you're like, is there a gorilla? That's a volcano filled with gorillas. You don't go in there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, like, what's the worst that could happen? And this situation, there's something bad that could happen. Yeah. There's a lot. And at one point, I finally got cell service, like for one second, my phone, like all of a sudden, I get bars and I see an Australian number calling and I'm like, well, maybe it's a hotel. I don't know. I'm like, okay, pick it up. And it's, it's here. Hi, honey. What's going on? How's the trip? And it's our mom. And I don't know why it showed up as an Australian number, but I'm trying to fake it to her. Like, I'm like, that's going great. Everything's fine. We're just making our way to the touch. She's like, oh, amazing. Where? You know, what's going on? You're like, you don't have to worry about me. I'm with my legal guardian. Yeah. I've kept her safe at every turn. Eventually, when we made it back to the, to the lodge, they, they had sent out like a search and rescue team fully. I will say that. I feel like there should have been a better sign. Yeah. Were you like a tough four-wheel drive, like, can handle the mud kind of a thing or are we enough? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Should have been more wheels and more drive. It was honestly really sketchy. How long is that drive? It should have been like maybe an hour, but it ended up being five. Oh. They're that close. Oh, that's. Well, no. The drive from the in the volcano. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We were going to the top of the volcano. Sorry. Yeah. No problem. No problem. But that was a, that was a silly little, silly little hiccup. And we made it. And then we had the greatest, totally the greatest experience in our lives. So it was worth it in the end. I did Africa. And we did Safari, not gorillas. And the more you hear, you talk, the more I regret it because, and I've said this on the pop before. And I feel like it makes me sound jaded. But would you agree with this? The first time you see a giraffe, you can't believe it. And then like by day three, you're like, okay, move it along. Like, I don't, everything you said about gorillas, I don't feel at all. It's not like when I saw a giraffe, I'm like, I learned so much about myself. I'm just like, okay, weirdo, out of my eye line. I have never done acid, but when I saw a giraffe, I was like, is this what it's like? Like, I guess it just. doesn't feel of this earth. There are some animals on the safari. You're like, and that kind of looks like, that looks like a little like something else I've seen. But then you see a giraffe and you're just like, so maybe what was going on is you couldn't, maybe it was, maybe you were on acid. - No, well, I was gonna say I have been on acid and I think it's great, but it's not great on day three. And maybe that was the thing. Where like, I'm like, I wanna go back to regular thing where the horses don't have tree necks. - And then when they run. - The running is pretty cool at first. - Yeah, the running is good. - I think it's pretty good. - Where did you go on safari? - We were in Kenya as well. - Nice. - That was very cool. - And it was so special. - It was amazing, it was truly amazing. But that, the very idea that you guys were, let's drive and let's make sure we don't have a lot of cash. Makes me seem like you're a little adventurous, yes? - We're very adventurous. I would say we are very adventurous. I love to travel. I've learned the hard way traveling. You really don't wanna go anywhere without like, quite a lot of cash. And also, you don't wanna go anywhere without a three-day course of a zythermiacin. - Yeah, good to know. That's very smart. How long was your trip to Africa? How many days? - That trip, I don't know, it was two weeks, two and a half weeks. - Yeah, something like two and a half weeks. - It's been all the, all of it? The first Africa trip, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - And did, was it as rewarding for your parents as you had hoped when they saw the gorillas? - Yeah, I think so. - Yeah, even more. And it's really, you know, they don't travel much like that in that way. It seems like totally, it seemed totally impossible to them. I don't know about your parents how they travel, but our parents, it seems like they just kind of were like, we're never gonna do that, it's impossible to do that. I think it was extra special to experience that together 'cause they had just sort of resigned to being like, well, that's for somebody else, that can't happen to us. And so it was, it was a really, it was a really beautiful trip, but yeah. - How much trekking is involved? Like how many miles are you hiking into a jungle to see these? - So good. - So cool, it depends, you can do different tricks. Like depending, if someone's older and is like, I can only trek a couple miles or I can't go super up 'cause there's different gorilla families all over the volcano, so depending on the day, you can go see a different family and-- - So you go, you actually, Zoe was smart about this. If you ever go, you actually should do two days in a row because you're guaranteed to have a vastly different experience one day to the next. You'll meet a different family, you'll go to a totally different kind of, you'll be in a different landscape, you'll have a different experience of getting there. They like call ahead to the trackers that are up in the mountains and they find them and then they call down to your group and go like, okay, these are the ones you're gonna go see. - It's an incredible program too that they've created in terms of how much it's brought to the economy of Rwanda while also protecting the animals. - Right. - And bringing money to the people of Rwanda, it's an incredible conservation program that I wish so many other parts of the world could take note of and when you go and when you experience it, you're like, not only you're so happy to have spent the money that you did but you want to continue to give back to the community and to the gorillas in a major way because it's so breathtaking and yeah, it's inspiring. Honestly, I just wish that other parts of the world could take note of what they've done. It's very, to me, very impressive. - That's really cool. - Yeah, going back quickly to Montana, if you guys weren't skiers, like what would you do up at your grandparents house? Like what was, what were the activities? - Eat, it's all meat, so really Josh, it's pathetic. We don't do any family activity. No one drinks, no one eats, no one does, it's literally just talk about cooking, eating what's next for food or going to the grocery store? Like, yeah. - Were you disappointed? Were you disappointed when you found out that you didn't get to eat the gorillas? - I was a little. - A little. - You're like, oh, I'm sorry. We thought this was part of a foodie tour where it was like, where you get a lobster, where you pick out your lobster? - Are you guys, are you guys a game family? - We are. - Oh, I knew it. - You guys are strong. - Okay, you don't have to be. My wife is not a gamer, she doesn't come from game people and my wife, we sort of break out games. It takes her a minute to-- - Who's more competitive of the two of you? - I think we are the best kind of people to play games with because we just like the thrill of competition more than actually winning. - When you say that Josh? - Yeah, I think we, my sort of bar is like, don't be a gloating winner and don't be a whining loser. And if that, if you can do that, then you're great. - We've had some very bumpy moments where my family, including Josh, has played games with my wife's family and it hasn't gone well because her family is a den of thieves. - The way they cheat, it is, you cannot believe it. - Wait, and what, well, tell me, like what, and what is it? - It's just like they grew in a relay. - Like where, if you're playing a game where it's like, you're allowed to say one word and then they, to make somebody guess something and then they say four words. - Or if you're like, someone's going to grab a piece and they're like, oh, like don't grab that piece is everything that's in that sort of, yeah. Noise and it's like, you can't do that. - You're like not allowed to make any noise when they pick and they're like, oh, it's bad. Like Alexey's basically said, like, I can't, I can't play games with your family, it's too intense. I'm like, oh, good, we don't want your kind. (laughing) - Oh my God, we are not, actually, wait, hold on. Is that, that's not true because our grandma loved, scrap the two weirdest games. She loved scrabble and cribbage. She was like a cribbage. - A cribbage. - A cribbage is a, is, yeah, that's real weird. - Yeah, but I'm, I'm feeling inspired in this moment. Everyone's all like fucking so stoked about, fuck, what's it called? - Mahjong. - Mahjong. - Mahjong moment. - What if I make cribbage cool? - You could. - You could do it. - Come to my cribbage and it's my house. - That's crib, come, come to the cribbage. - Yeah, it's on MTV too. - Correct. - Does that mean, so have you not been caught up in the, in the Mahjong wave? - Not yet, but that's because I've been so focused on cribbage. - My, oh nice, look at your already in it. (laughing) My, my, your, your cribbage gallon TikTok, right? (laughing) - Yes, yes, that's me. - I can't get into the Mahjong. One, I hate games, I hate all games. - Two. - Why do you hate games? - I hate games and two, I'm already too much of like an old Jewish lady. I don't like also need Mahjong, do you know what I'm saying? - Yeah, you don't wanna see. - You don't need to speed it up. - I just, like, did buying a Z pack for going out of the country. I don't like to need Mahjong. - You don't wanna see all of that celebrity. That game is fun. - I do like celebrity. - Celebrity's fun. I like celebrity a lot. I, the thing about Mahjong that's fascinating to me, 'cause I do love games and my mother-in-law, my parents were visiting my wife's families where we're all together and my mother-in-law is like, oh my god, let me give you a tutorial on Mahjong. I'm like, great. And it's so, I'm sure once you learn it, it's fun. It's so complicated. And we had like 45 minutes. And at one point, I was like, Joanne, did you think you were gonna teach this to us? (laughing) Not just, by the way, not just to be, but to my parents? - Yeah. - Like what? - We had Elizabeth Banks was just a guest and she said that she went to a friend's house or she had people over, but they like hired a professional like teacher to teach everyone. And no disrespect to Joanne Ash, but she's not a professional now teacher and an art of Mahjong. - Is the teacher a mother and she calls yourself Mahjong? (laughing) - But now can you come up with something like that for cribbage? 'Cause that's what you need to do. - She already did, yeah. - You already did. - Yeah. - Oh yeah, they did. - I was already like, I'm sort of-- - You're ahead of me. You're so far ahead of me. (laughing) I'm trying to get out on the ground floor and this crib is thinking I've already missed the boat. - Word names. What you just did, like taboo is fun. - It's okay. - Taboo is fun. I'd look into code names. If you guys are looking for code names, code names are really hard. - But we did, you were asking a question and we went away from it. The truth is, and I do think this is, I like this, this is the core truth of our family. It is what it is. Everything revolves around food and it was, that was always on vacation what we were thinking about. And it's quite sweet. Like it's now a huge part of our lives. We love to cook for people. We love to feed people. That's the culture of our family is like, I joke, but it's not a joke. When people say, what's your hobby? I say dinner because dinner to me is everything. And that's it. - Even when we take trips, the number, at least us, the number one most important thing is what are the meals? - And we love traveling. When we were doing our sister trips, like we did a road trip through Poolyah and we would do minimum two dinners. So bang, bang, always, every night, you do one earlier, one later, so that you could, you know, make the trip feel twice as long and you could have twice as many meals. - Having a bad meal when you're in a great place. - Yeah. - Almost nothing makes me more depressed. - It's, and I will say, I think Italy is maybe one of the most stressful places. - Indeed. - Because no, where you are so worried, you're gonna get it wrong. Like because you've had, you know, I feel like in certain countries and certain cuisines, you don't know what a good meal is. but like we all know what a great Italian meal is. - One percent. You have these like high standards and also with Italy there's two, if you go to a super fancy place and then if you go to a touristy place, it's in general though, right, like with traveling. And I was watching this really, I was watching Lulu Garcia Navarro's interview with this amazing travel guru that I'm forgetting his name and he was talking about the difference between tourists and travelers, is that what I've got to say? Oh, that's great. And he was saying, you know, he always encourages people to be, to immerse themselves as much as they can in the actual place and the culture, which seems obvious, but also is not as easy, you know, it requires a little bit more work to not be a tourist, to not go to the touristy places and go to the touristy restaurants, but find the places that that are, that feel more local and that's always the goal when we travel. And so I keep, I want her to go to Southeast Asia, but specifically Thailand, so bad, because I've been twice and it's like, it's impossible to have a bad meal in Thailand. The food is so extraordinary. I mean, you could eat off the floor and it would be great. That's also why you need the Z pack, but it's like, it is, you really, I like need you to go. Because I just know your mind will be blown. I will say, I went to Thailand alone. And my first day in Bangkok, I got, took, took, took me around to all these like temples. Yeah. And my took took driver was like, Hey, do you want to like go out and do something very like local centric tonight? And I was like, sure. And we went to this restaurant that was like on the side of a 12 lane highway. It felt like the chicken was just sort of chopped in equal pieces with the bone intact. Like in like, if this piece has bone, then this piece has bone. And then, then he took me to like a weird massage place. We met up with someone else. I got super ripped off, they drove me to a very sort of dark corner under a subway. And we're like, now you owe us like $400. Yeah, I got fully ripped off. So, so there's, I think what Josh saying is there's tourists, there's travelers, and then there's suckers. Don't listen to your talk, Dr. Driver, whatever you do. Yeah, I mean, like, he was very nice, but boy, he took me for a ride. So he took, he took, he took you for a ride, he took me so close. I was so close. You got it. I know. Well, now I had a, I'm still like, look at my wounds over my junk. So I had to jump. Yeah, I had to jump the line. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. Support comes from Hero Bread. Hey. Bajib. Hey, Sufi. You know, summer, health goals. I think that's pretty normal for people to have. They're in the sun. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Everyone's trying to get that beach bod. Beach bod. And yet, at the same time, a lot of our summer meals are a little carb forward. And, and that's why we're really lucky to have Hero Bread. That provides you alternatives to the sort of heavier breads that you find in your supermarket aisle. And these Hero Bread supports your fiber goals, you know, meals that fit your macros. 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Wherever our dad was working, doing a movie or wherever our mom was working or, you know, doing a play or they would bring us. And I don't know. I thought that was so fun because when you're, I'm sure stuff, you have this like with your kids. Like, when you give your kids the opportunity to like see how this sausage is made kind of like it, they feel less like a kid and more like an adult that you trust and like an adult environment or something. Yeah. I, I think we both, I mean, clearly we both love being on set, like, you know, we wanted to kind of stay in that world, but like I, it's just funny how the business changes. Like, I have a memory of one of the craziest trips we ever went on. This, our dad was trying to make grumpier old men, there was grumpy old men and then there was grumpy old men. I think they were trying to make grumpiest old men or like, sure, sure. And, you know, they are dad as a director and they, I'm pretty sure the studio sent him to Italy for a month to scout for a movie that was not greenlit, which like literally would never have like this is a glory days where they're just like money is just getting spit out of Hollywood. Still proving my point. We didn't go on trips. This was work. I'm just saying. I was like, take your kids to Italy for a month for a scout. We stayed in an asshole in Tuscany, like it was, I mean, it was crumbling, like there were ghosts for sure. Who's the person for you guys in your relationship that does all the booking for travel? It's me and it's Seth's wife, you know, yeah. And do you guys do a lot of trips with both all of you guys or not? We have it in a minute. We did some great trips. We went to, we did half of the Tour de Mont Blanc, which is, we started in Italy and then hiked into France and then hiked into Switzerland or maybe Italy, Switzerland, France. The fourth tier of traveling that he was talking about, which is called the Pilgrimage. Oh, yeah. That was, I'm a big fan of a pilgrimage. And that is very impressive. You guys are doing the highest tier of traveling, sorry to interrupt you, but I had a problem with interrupting. That's fine, but we did that and we did like a, we did a New Year's in Iceland that was also great, but it's been a while since we've, but we do Josh and I do trips together with our parents still once a year. Yeah. Yeah. We're just, we mostly just, I mean, we go to Pittsburgh because our father's from Pittsburgh, so we go to see a stealer game and then Seth has started bringing his sons. My wife is going to come this year for the first time. She's never been to Pittsburgh. So every great. It's crucial that we, yeah, we have to be, we're not sure what our next sister trip is going to be. I'm not, I'm not sure, but maybe it'll, so who picks between you? Who is the, or is it chat GPT? We let me explain. No, no, no. So we name in our family is the minister of tourism, like she is like a person who is like in a government position of a country who is responsible for travel tourism in every country all over the world. So I call her the minister now. She could literally be like, Oh, I know the guy in Japan who runs all the trains and you're like, why do you know that person? Like, I, Zoe is the, Zoe is the minister. She books everything. I love to be the minister, but a lot of their trips are sort of organized and created out of where work takes me. Yeah. It's such a blessing, but it's also, it's, it's, for me, I'm like, I feel so greedy and gross when I get these great opportunities to go to, across the world and I'm only there for a day for work. I just, it just makes me like, I can't fathom it. So I try my best to be able to bring someone I love, like my sister or my partner or my mom, whoever is available and willing to deal with me, um, to go and then, and then extend the trip on. Yes. I, so like, for instance, the, the Switzerland trip was because I had work in, in Italy for a couple days. And so we went and then extended and continued on the same with Africa. I was working in Kenya. And so it brought us there and we were able to experience that and, and traveling is so, so expensive. Obviously, as everybody knows, and it continues to get more expensive. So it's my personal hack and also it makes me feel, like I said, less guilty about these, you know, about getting to see the world and not actually experience the world. And that's, I always have so much empathy or like sadness for touring music. Well, that's, I mean, I, I, yeah, they, you mean that they don't actually see anything? Yeah. And they go to all these amazing places and they, and they don't, you know, they sometimes multiple times. And they're like, yeah, I don't know. I never even, I didn't see anything. I didn't do anything. So even if I'm in a place for a day, I will, I don't care how tired I am, like I'm going out and I'm seeing something and I'm having a meal and I'm doing one thing that feels like an experience to me that I can hold on to for my life. Yeah. I'm always shocked like when friends of mine go on location and we're going to movie, you know, I just assume, how was it? And they're just like, you don't see anything. You work, you work the longest days and you're so tired and you're called so early. And yeah, it's such a drag. But I take it, even when that's the case, when I'm on location, I really take it upon myself to be like camp counselor and on the weekend, we go to a museum or we all go to karaoke or we do something that feels specific to the place that we're in. Otherwise, it kind of depresses me. Do you, sometimes when you sort of are camp counselor, I feel like I do a lot of that for my friends as well. But what happens when you miss? What happens when you rally everyone out to something and it's like, oh, that was a dud. And it's kind of like, they would have done nothing if it weren't for you. And they've probably done a lot of things that are great because of you. But how do you, how do you cope with, uh, when you, he doesn't miss. Okay. He doesn't miss because she's the minister. She literally does not miss. You mentioned castle. Can I just say, uh, I would like to badmouth castles. Please let me just tell you, anyone who's listening is like, Oh, my dream is to stay in a castle. It's not. There's a reason nobody lives in them anymore. They're cold. Go visit. Go visit go visit. Walk around the outside of a castle. If you're like, have you stayed in a castle? Stayed in a castle. Yeah. We stayed in an Irish castle that I don't, I think the name, it was an old Irish name that that translates to mud castle. It had like, it had carpet from the like late 70s, early 80s. Yeah. Just a lot of carpeted castle is it. And again, they just are there hard to maintain. And, uh, their heyday was a long time ago. They're just are not maintained well. No, they're, they're definitely scary. Any time someone's like, I got to deal on a castle. You didn't. Don't they want people to buy them because no one wants to do because no one wants them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, there's, it turns out there's a pretty big, uh, castle tax. When you buy, when you buy the tax, when you buy a castle, there's even costs in the market. Why do you know about this? Look, I do guys, and this is totally unrelated. Would you guys be interested in buying a castle that I may be proud of? Sounds like you bought a castle and I bought a castle. I did. I've talked about this as well. I did like accidentally bid on a week in a Scottish castle at a charity event. And I thought the bidding was going to take off and it did not. And Josh, one bid, one bid. I was one bid. That's the one that won. And then Josh and I and, uh, our spouses and some friends were at a Scottish castle. And it is not, it's not remembered fondly. What was there a ghost? I think even the ghosts were like, we're going to go to a regular hotel. Speaking of ghosts, though, have you guys ever had real ghost experiences? No, but I would like to. I think I would like to, unless it's the kind that, you know, wants to try to be careful or be careful you wish for. Are you guys ghosts? Are you guys, what is it? Open to ghosts or? Our mother is fully psychic and not a spirit. Her and as a result, I think they've been present in our lives. Yeah. Cause we like a transmitter. Gotcha. So you guys see ghosts, but only the only thing they ever say to you is your model. We'll come back later, just, yeah, let her know we stopped by. There was, I recently, there was a really annoying ghost. Oh, I was staying at the Chelsea Hotel, which obviously everyone says is haunted. And I'm like, guys, guys, guys, let's all calm down. I'm like, come on with the lore. And night one, my blinds just go and open. Like it wasn't on a thing. They just fully opened. Yeah. I closed them. I watched. It's like full. It was, it was, it was so amazing. It was so ghosty. There's no other way. It was a ghost. Did you just kept opening and kept opening and then I was like, fuck it. He wants me to like be. Yeah, I'm not really sure what this is. And then like kept doing it every night. So it kept happening. Yeah. That was like a couple weeks ago. Oh, perfect. I'm sure there was a cat in your room, remember? A ghost cat or a real one. A ghost cat. Wow. Yep. So we fully have a ghost cat in her room that would visit her like every night. See? So the ghosts don't just want to see my mom. Well, you're more psyched than you. The ghosts are like that. You, you pet, you pets it. Yes. I pets the ghost ghost. The Chelsea hotel. I was like having a good time with. I was not mad at this. It wasn't bad. I also had the best time. I had a great stay. It was a little like frustrating that he didn't want me to sleep. But I also was like, maybe he's lonely and wants to hang out. I don't know. I don't know. Would you talk to the ghost? No, I just, my big thing about ghosts is just like being nice. In general, I'm scared of the ghost. Of course, they're going to be mad at you. If you enter a situation like I'm scared of you, they're going to think that you're, you don't like them. So I'm always like, what's up? Like, hey, but psychically, you know, Josh, not allowed yet. It's more like, hello. You're my friend and I'm yours. That energy. You just put it out there. This is really a late breaking ghost advice on the pod. Detour, detour from the family trips for sure. But hey, you know what? It's all a trip. It's all just a, yeah, it's a, it's a trip to ghost town. You guys are the best. And I will say, like, it is so much fun when we're lucky enough to talk to siblings on this pod. So thank you both for making time for us. It's just no thank you so much. Thank you for having us. It was so fun. I did want to say real quick, your, your plastic surgery impression on the tonight. She was so funny. Thank you. It's going to be fun one day when I, I need the fix. Yeah. No, it's going to everybody. That clip's going to resurface when that happens for sure. I've heard so many, I haven't seen yet heard so many great things about Gail Dottry. Can't wait to see it. Oh, I can't wait to see it. And you also have voice mails for Isabel out now. So yeah, you would be very busy. I feel like I would have watched that with my wife and then she gets home from work and goes upstairs. She works with horses and so she goes and takes a shower. First thing. And then she, like, just didn't come downstairs one night. And she had just, like, gotten into bed and started watching it. And I was, went up. I was like, what's the deal? She's like, I'm watching this movie. It's really good. And it's like, Oh, okay. But she loved it. Well, tell us that thank you for watching. Yeah. Of course. Before we let you guys go, though, we have to ask our speed round questions. And obviously, we're going to be disappointed if you have the same answers based on. Yeah. All right. You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing adventurous or educational relaxing adventurous or adventurous adventurous for me. Yeah. I think you guys are. You travel together. That's fair to be the same. What is your favorite means of transportation? Horseback. What the hell, dude? Rwandan rental. Like, I don't know. What do you guys say? I mean, for me, it's bicycle, I think. Yeah. For me, it's train, but I feel like I have a romantic idea of a train and like 90 minutes into the train. I think you're like, I should have flown. I think I'm going to say, you know, only because it gets you so far. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This one's tricky. If you can take a vacation with any family alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, what family would you like to take a vacation with? The Myers, obviously. Okay. Great. You're going to play some games though. Yeah. I don't love biking, but we can deal with the games. Okay. Yeah. We do. We like set up a train on the handlebars. And so you're kind of playing games while you're walking. Yeah. Maddie, do you have a different answer? Are you good? Obviously, the same as my sister. Her brain is better than mine. Okay. This one. This one. We'll see if this causes a rupture. If you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be? Of our family, desert island? Probably not me. No, no, no, no. I mean, I would definitely say, you, you're very resourceful. Here's the thing I've seen mom kill a rattlesnake with a rock before. So like, wow, really? Yeah. I mean, she's like out of self defense, out of self defense. She literally like from 200 years ago. She just like, I'm going to say you because you're like mom. Yeah. Okay. Great answer. Thank you for that. What is your dream destination for a family vacation? Greece. We keep trying it. I've never been to Greece. That's great. That's great. That was so fun. How fast do you guys are on that? You are both from Los Angeles. If you had to get more families to come visit Los Angeles, how would you sell this city? So here's the most amazing thing about Los Angeles. In an hour, you could go anywhere. You could go to the beach, the mountains, the desert. You could see life. You could get the best food from all around the world. Yeah, wherever you want. There's a variety and joy and nature, but also city. You have it all here. It's spectacular. Right out shore, but it has something for everyone. I like how Maddie was just kind of a quiet flame of flame through that thing. Just like snapping, pointing, a couple of yas. I'm right, man. Yeah. And then Seth has our final questions. Have you guys been to the Grand Canyon? Yes. And was it worth it? Yes. Okay. Oh, okay. You don't agree. You don't think it's worth what? No, it's fine. I'm not going to do it, but it's going to do fine without my endorsement. It's obviously thriving. - Can I ask you a follow up question? Have you ever been to Zion? 'Cause Zion is like if you want to shit on the Grand Canyon, maybe you just need to go to Zion. - Great, I would love to shit on the Grand Canyon. It was basically like full. (laughing) - Zion's amazing, there's literally-- - I think I'd have a lot better standing if I was like, oh, I like Zion. I think I'll keep listening to you more. - You need a castle with a giraffe in the Grand Canyon. That's sort of what I think is your dream trip. - You need to be like a giraffe shaped castle. Yes. (laughing) You guys are the best. - You guys are, thank you for having me. - Thank you so much, this was so fun talking to you. Love to your parents as well and your babies and your husbands. Love to Jimmy, so-- - You guys, he was just on your show, love to us. - He had a blast with him, we had a blast with him. So please say hello to him as well. - I will, to your brother-in-law. - I know, it's so exciting. All right, thank you guys. - Thanks so much. - Bye. - Bye. ♪ Family trips ♪ ♪ With the miles ♪ ♪ Brothers ♪ ♪ Here we go ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ The Deutsch girls came to the part to talk ♪ ♪ Their memories hold different truths ♪ ♪ They told their stories of their sisterly adventures ♪ ♪ Shared stories from their youth ♪ ♪ They told us after so we was emancipated ♪ ♪ Maddie stood in his guardian ♪ ♪ But after taking her to college rangers ♪ ♪ Surprise their mom and mads have that roll again ♪ ♪ In the end, it all worked out all right ♪ ♪ And these girls, they still get out and travel far and wide ♪ ♪ It sounds fun even though spent time by a volcano ♪ ♪ Just the Deutsch sisters and gorillas ♪ ♪ When Maddie's young she threw a tantrum ♪ ♪ What her thought she was insane ♪ ♪ Mom locked herself in Maddie in the tiny bathroom ♪ ♪ There were the last ones off the plane ♪ ♪ So he says her hobby is dinner ♪ ♪ She does too one night when traveling with her sister ♪ ♪ They say they don't like games ♪ ♪ But they have new nicknames ♪ ♪ Maddie's my John ♪ ♪ So he's cribbing ♪ ♪ There's uncles ♪ ♪ At the Chelsea Hotel ♪ ♪ Just be nice ♪ ♪ Everything will be swell ♪ ♪ But those dogs ♪ ♪ Girls ♪