Ziggy Marley | Club Random with Bill Maher

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There's no Barabas person in the act, Barabas, because he robbed them. How are you? You look exactly the same the most I've ever saw you. You have an age to play. Really? You remember that? Yeah, I remember a lot. Real times. Yeah, remember that. Oh my gosh. That's fun. And I remember I was always so surprised. You seem so exotic and you live close. Yeah. Everybody lives in LA. Yeah. We here. How long have you been here? Well, 20 years, no. 20? Yeah. Where you grew up in Jamaica? Yeah, grew up in Jamaica. How old were you when you left? 30 years. 30 years. Oh, you were grown. Yeah, we're growing up in one. We're growing up in one. I don't know if you smoke. No, I'm alright right now. I'm good. Not right now? I'm alright right now. Oh. I thought you'd be smoking as I walked in. Now, why is that? You're not a big smoker? No, it's a very private thing for me, you know? It's right. It's pretty much on. Is that very. - I can't take that. - No, check one more. - Check one more, check one more. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, so in part, some of life is not favorite in the casino. Like, and that, you know what I mean, so, I don't know. I've been that way since I was young. Like, what I grew up with, Urb. - No, this is because it's more of a sacred sacrament. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - It'd be like me taking communion. - Yeah, like, yeah, let's have communion. I mean, if I was still a Catholic, I did as a child and-- - Yeah, I mean, not to that, never, but I just, yeah. - I see. - What do you want to offend you if I-- - No, man, we love it, we'll take the contact. - What does that mean? - Yeah, we'll take the contact for you. - Oh, I thought you were speaking a different-- we'll let that contact. It means blessings upon you and your yak. - No, well, thank you. - Thank you. Good old part to you. - Oh, okay. - The Jimmyicai sac. - I can't check, okay. - Sometimes I try to talk, like, you know, so like, you know, you can't understand what-- - But do you smoke every day? - No, no, some don't-- - Not even every day. - No, no, no. - Who are you? (laughing) - Who's under that hat? - No, man, no smoke every day. I'm smoking, when I feel it, when I feel it, when I feel it, when I feel it, when I feel it, take us. - I'm similar, I don't smoke every day. - Yeah. And the thing with me is I can take weeks off and months off, it's not something that I need, you know? I don't like doing anything that I need to do, I want to need it. And I don't want to get-- I don't want to get like, like, at the time. - I mean, so much of your music, which I told you, when you're on "Mill Time," I'm really a fan of it. I mean, I feel like you synthesized Reggae into something that, for me, who grew up on pop, is like the perfect blend of it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But a lot, you know, a lot of the lyrics, you do not like politician, the politicians. - And it must bug you that, hot, especially in America now, is so political, I mean, it's, because it's legal. So the states are involved, they're getting lots of taxes from it, right? - Right, right, right. - Is this bug you? - No, I really, no, we're like the fuck that, you know, we're not for, 'cause we used to have a height and, you know, I used to get searched a lot, you know, coming through customs or whatever, because of that. But I like that freedom side of it. But what really, what I'm concerned about is the over-commercialization of it. And then, 'cause, you know, does that the food will eat? - There are with some of the best natural as possible. You know what I mean? 'Cause we don't want to put shit in our body. - Dude, I grow it right here. - Yeah, there you go. - You're sitting yards. - I guess it is. - I'm wearing the planters. - We'll pick some more. - Allegedly. - No. - I get officer. - Now, it's a legal now, you could have a plan. - Yeah. - It's all like I have a whole fucking farm out there. But, you know, not the only way you can guarantee - Yeah. - What you're getting, I don't trust them. - No, no, that, no, yeah, no, that's real. That's a good thing. - I trust restaurants, you know, you know what I do before I go out to dinner, I eat at home. - Me too, that's a good thing. - Really? - I met the only other person. - No, it's like, I like the atmosphere of a restaurant. I'm sitting with people, but I don't trust your food. - I don't want to go to your hungry. (laughing) - Right, right. And I don't trust what you're doing back there. Because I know what your game is. You want me to come back to the restaurant. How do you do that? You make something that's so fucking delicious, right? And it is, restaurant food is delicious. - Yeah, although it's not even really a lot, the kind of food I like, I like comfort food, the diner food, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, I will, I basically have dinner and then go out to dinner. - Yeah, man, that's the best thing. - And then just order. - I did it to well. - I did it to some time when I'm going to people's house. Like, even for dinner sometime. I like to eat, let me eat. I don't know what, you know, whatever you guys are. Cooking for dinner, whatever that's fine. But let me, go out and eat salad, I'm not done. (laughing) - Not that we don't trust you, but we don't trust you. I mean, that's it, I really, I mean. It's so hard to keep toxins of all kinds out of your body. - It's hard. And then, you know, we travel a lot. And then I don't know, like, this is just true. Like, the food here has a different reaction than the food in Europe, or in New Zealand, where I've had food. Which I know, the food here is something, there's something awful about it here in terms of, when I eat at home, a digestive system process it. - You know what I mean? - Show your reaction to it. - Yeah, it's like, you can't feel like, oh, you can't feel it, you know, so. Yeah, the quality, the quality, you know, we have a poor quality, you know, a system. It's just, expression, no. This, this, you know, stuff, so. - Yeah, the Rolling Stones wrote about that. Remember, Jump and Jack's Flash. It's a gas, gas, gas. - That, that, that's all that one. - Gas, gas, gas. - Yeah. (laughing) - Yeah, no, I hear you. - Yeah, no, no, no, no. - Sometimes I get home if I have eaten in a restaurant and there will be like, oh gosh, I can't get to sleep. Well, they probably put sugar of caffeine and some fucking thing that I didn't think they would, or, you know, they just, I just, I don't trust them. - You know, you know, no way that you trust. You don't like us, but they trust. I trust them. I, you know what I trust them to do is to treat me well. I mean, like, I love my restaurants here at Elle. I mean, and the atmosphere and they just do everything. It's just howling it. You feel like, oh, I'm a grown-up who grew up and got successful enough to eat at this fucking place. It feels good, but I don't trust your food. No, I just don't. It's just not what you're in the business of doing. It's not a healthy, if you want to help food. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You know, go cash or bond and buy your weekly bread at fucking Air One. - Yeah, yeah, I get you, I get you, I get you, that's true. - I mean, just, I'm assuming you're a, you have a lot of kids, right? You live in a traditional household. Does your wife do the cooking? - Well, you know, she started cooking. The first time in a while, she wasn't doing the cooking. (laughing) - But then you-- - She couldn't cook. - But then you-- - You know, when COVID happened, that's when she started doing the cooking. - Where the-- - She started - COVID, yeah. - COVID. - Well, I don't know, man, she does people, I guess she had to find something to do it on, but she really, she's gotten really good at it. - Wow. - And she's been, so she's doing a lot of the cooking. No, I cooked her. But she, she doesn't. - What are the traditional dishes we would find in the Marley house? - In the Marley house. Well, you know, well, I'm gonna tell you, well, we'll cook some fried plant and green plant, fried green plant. - Where you get that? - We just buy it anyway, in a supermarket. - Really? - You buy green? - I've never seen it in the aisle. What is it? - You never see green plantain. - Green plantain. - Yeah. And we'll fry, you ever had green plantain? - No, I mean, we're not saying plankton, are we? - No, not plankton. - Plantain. - Plantain, plantain. - Yes, plantain. - Plantain, yes. I think I have seen it, or what does it look like? - It looks like a big banana. - It looks like I've seen the big banana. - I have seen the big banana. - You can't eat it ripe or you can't eat it green. - Oh. - So we have, I do that, you know. I do, I've used it also, I make porridge with it. Plant and porridge. - Forage. - So that's a good tradition. Well, wife and I'm a wife, she's Jewish, so she make halah. - Jewish? - Yes, yeah. Bonne, like Israel, Israel woman, isn't that wonderful. She'd make halah and she'd cook, you know, the shallot dinner until that, that's her. Right. Yeah, we're enjoying, you know. Makes halah when you hollah. It's great the way that the cultures get meld with that, is it not, I mean, I did not know that. Married to a Jamaican and a Jewish wife. Yeah, yeah. It works because people are just people, right? Yeah, I mean, it works, you have a, I mean, a workite, I mean, when, I mean, one message like, love work. If you love, if you have that real love, it love work, you know, and you still have a workite, too. And then, I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't always kosher with the family. To use a technical term, but actually a plot, right? But eventually, it's to the love and the love conquer that, that, that, that, that stereotypical thing that this year they want. Absolutely. You know, when it's to the love, I'm like, oh, this is, all right, yeah. The question is, can you make kosher plantain? Yeah, I'm planting kosher one. Yeah, fine. You can. Yeah, I'm, kosher. You can make anything kosher. Yeah, plant vegetable kosher one, vegetables. I think, um, right, I, I, you can make anything kosher because it's a complete bolster anyway. It's just some guy who's saying, you know, it's a rabbi blessing, you know, I mean, it's not like they're doing it. They're actually putting, you know, caffeine in it or something. No, they're not certain traditions of how they slaughter the animal and stuff. Like, it's like, it's an inch, it's an inch in tradition. Yes. I mean, in commercial farming, this, it's like boot them just slaughter the animal. All that fear, all that blood, you know, all that, that stuff, I think, what you eat in like the, right? So, yes, it's like, oh, you slaughter the animal that you're gonna eat is, is also significant. So I think that's all, I think that's where that comes from. Like, oh, you're just slaughtering, you know? Right. I think it's better if the animal doesn't see it coming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's not good for the animal either way, let's be honest, but animals do kill each other. It's not like they're blameless, but I feel like animals are smarter than we think and they know when they're like in the slaughterhouse. Of course. And then they're on the line. Yeah. And I think that sort of anxiety does affect the chemistry of the, of the creature that then you are eating. Yeah. So it's not just, you know, there's not hippie bullshit. No, no, it's true. It's true. Science. Not sure. Not sure. Right. It's not sure. You know, so you have a killer, if I kill an animal, I will kill. I have not killed an animal. So when you grew up, we grew up on like, I've seen my phone. Well, I fished. You fished. That's killing an animal. Yes, when I was, you're right, when I was eight or nine years old, we went out at the shore on the boat and I was very thrilled and you caught ling was the fish. And it was not even a good fish. Maybe we found a way to use them, but I think it was just because it was a measement. It was something that you did as sport, which is horrible. Yeah. And I killed butterflies. No, that's wicked. I was fine. Come on. You can't, I mean, I don't want to be that wicked. I don't want to be held responsible for what I did when I was 20, a little on five or four years. You just get, you know, you're curious. I just, it was, I don't know, I didn't think I was too young to think about it. It was just a sport. Again, like I hadn't, they gave me a butterfly net and I would go out and, you know, there was, it's in our nature to kill. To be killed. It's in our nature to kill. And also it's in my nature to collect. I'm a collector. And so I would get them in that this is so horrible. It was a thing and they called it the killing jar because you would, you wanted to, you want to kill it in pristine form because then my father mounted them, you know, you'd put it in this, we had them on the wall. You know, in glass case. You have to see in that. It was because they're pretty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was just barbaric. So you catch them on killing and put them in a glass case? Yes, the killing jar and then it was formaldehyde. That's serious. Of course, it was the killing jar. I mean, the fact that they left it with a five-year-old to do is hysterical because I could have been like, yeah, what's in this jar? I'd been like for the rest of my life. I mean, but people would like that back and then they weren't that careful with the kids. And so I did, I have killed things and I'm sure I will, I will pay. Yeah, well, you know, but you know, at least you know what it is like because like for us, we use a kill, well, we just have chicken and we have a killer chicken. And then we eat a chicken in the evening when we go to the flangemica. That's how you kill, you know, the chicken, you kill it and eat it. Is that part, is that part, is that part? Again, this is why we don't have to feel too guilty about it because if you've ever watched a nature show, you just see the animals in the wild. The hyenas are lovingly drinking by the river and then the lion comes and just rips into fucking pieces and it's, you know, they're even like, if my dog got out, the coyotes, the coyotes, which you're almost cousin of your death, cousin of your dog, there would be no professional courtesy. There would be no, you know, our species are so close. I can't rightfully feel good about eating you. Oh no. They will, they will take Paris Hilton's little dog every day. Yeah, man. No, we're just a part of that same chin of nature, like, I mean, the lion, I don't know, you know, we aren't. But do you eat meat? Is that part of your. No, I don't eat meat. No, no meat. Fish. Fish, okay. Well, I'm not chicken sometime, but yeah, no meat. I stop eating meat long time. I mean, I don't know. Okay, but I don't understand that distinction. Like, I know people say I'm a pescatorian. I just eat, I mean, if you're willing to kill a living creature who's living his best life, I don't, I don't know why you don't go all the way and eat whatever animal. It's not because I don't like, I don't, I don't, I'm not against people killing cows and eating cows, but it's just my digestive system. I don't need it. I don't need to put that type of meat inside of my system. Right. From I stopped it, I stopped it when I was young, like, and when I stopped it, it was like a philosophical spiritual thing, but I just, I can't put it back into my system, like, it just, I don't feel like, and whatever it about meat to, like, eat and meat, I know the diet just, how long it takes to digest and then type of thing there. I don't need meat, so I don't eat it, not because I've any kind of. Yeah. Great idea. And I just. So, but you're, I'm so fascinated by this and your, your family's in it. I'm always happy to see any sort of cross-cultural marriage. My own life, my parents married in 1951. That is a long time ago, and my father Catholic, my mother Jewish, not really a practicing Jew, but Jewish, and like good Catholic boys just did not marry Jewish girls in 1951. It was much more outrageous than than interracial marriages today, but I think, you know, this is old school liberalism, not bullshit, that the more we mix, the more we don't even know what we are, the better. You can't have prejudice if, you know, and this is a big theme in your music too, is a lot about the people and, you know, we're not just crayons in a box. I love that lyric, that song, that idea. We're not just crayons in a box. And what's the next line? And we're not libs for the stock. Yes, great. We're not donkey and elephant. We're not donkey and elephants, yes. You know, we are the people. You know, I think a lot of this is probably not where we're aside, if everybody does. You know, love who you love, and you're Jewish relatives, they're cool with you. Yeah, but even, no, yeah, but I know. Always where? No, it was a strange, I'm a real strange being. Not only am I not. Not only was I not from here, I don't speak. You know, I'm like, I'm on, I'm a different type of, like, I don't be one thing if you married a Gentile, but who's this dude? This is Gentile. This is a, this is a, this is a way stopped pass. This is a way pass. This is a way pass. This is old and left left here. Something was skepticism and uncertainty and you know, you know, you know, every, usually Jewish family one, what, the wife tomorrow, somebody was Jewish and, you know, continent, that's the whole thing or continent tribe. Or this is, I think even more common. The Jew marries the non-Jew and then one of them converts. Like, lately, I think it's a lot more people becoming the Jew. You know, they're not Jewish, but the husband is Jewish and it's like, okay, I'll be a Jew, as if it mattered. But like, when my mother did it, she didn't become a Catholic. But she had to like, pretend, they made her go to like Catholic, like, and I remember she telling me the priest that did it was cool because he could have been an asshole about it. But he was like, look, I know this is bullshit. You know, this is bullshit. You know, we're going to, I'm going to tell you about Catholicism because that's how the kids are going to be raised. So you'll be educated at it. But like, you don't have to like pretend, okay, I get it. I'm in the church. Believe me, I know this is bullshit. If anybody knows, it's free. A little more explosion on me, Billy. No, I kid the priests. I don't know what material cause the thing with me. my wife and her Jewish heritage is that I was already connected to it from my upbringing to Rastafari, because we were in the Old Testament, Salaman, David, he's the same, I had a slasher who was one of the men who, you know, didn't even say that is God, he was a lineage from Salaman, so I was already, I feel like I was already in that area, you know, so I was already there. So I never feel like I have to physically transform from a spirit. I was already spiritual who I am, my name is David, you know, that my name is David because of that reason, my mother, my parents name is David, my father come to Ziggy, but we were always connected to the traditions, that's why we didn't eat pork, we followed all of the rules and we kosher, we followed all of the kosher rules, for grown up, and I didn't know what Jewish was, but these were the, this is where we were living anyway, we don't know what Jewish was. Well, certainly your cooking must have been better, Jewish cooking is famously not, you know. That's the European style, the Middle Eastern style, it could be, you know, maybe so, I mean, like, Matsah, you know, and you know what, Matsah, you know, if it's bad, and that tastes listen. And the reason why was because they said, you know, the Jews were always so under attack, you know, they had to be ready to leave in a minute, so they couldn't even wait for the bread to rise. Right, right, right, right. It's like, whoa, you might say, and you other people are complaining, these poor motherfuckers couldn't even wait for the bread to rise, like so. Wow. Yeah. Sure, but it is not known as like the world's most delicious cuisine. No, not the European, but I'm telling you right now, because I, I, I, I, I, I'm sure you are. I have experiences, so I'm not telling you right now. The European side of things, different on the Middle Eastern side of things, yes, on the Middle Eastern food. Yeah. Well, that's, there's, I'm Persian to become wife is also out Persian too. So the Persian side. We're wife is Persian, Persian is we know? Well, there's a Persian Jew in the Bible, Esther, that's, that's her bloodline, that's where she from. So that's that. And you know, the David bloodline goes to Jesus, yeah, yeah, so they say, yeah, yeah, I mean, but they, but they, they do make a point in the New Testament of, of, of claim of, of making that connection with people at the line of King David, is, you know, we got, we got, we got, we got, we got, we got, we got, say a lot of the Messiah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm summarizing the Bible, but I'm also not getting it wrong. And yeah, but yeah, you're right there, that all these cross currents, I mean, Islam is an Abrahamic religion in, in, in the Quran, Jesus is in the Quran, he's just not considered the final. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. But is that all connected to Rastat? Yeah, man. Well, we are connected to it because, you know, we, I guess we all were searching for something and, you know, something, I hear that a lot. You know, I guess that's what it's about, you know, like the, the journey of life is exploring, not just exploring physical, but exploring mental spiritual too. There's exploration, there's God, there's such a thing, I'm not doing that much of that. I got to tell you, but I'm, you know, maybe I'm 70, but, you know, like, I feel like, I know who I am, I know what I do. I want to keep doing it. I like it, what I do, I like who I hang out with. I'm not sure. I'm searching for anything except the next really good streaming series. Hmm. I'm absolutely searching. But where does that come from? Like, for me, you said that, no, you said that, you know, but you said that creative energy that you have, that creativity, where does that come from? That creativity. No, that's a, that's a, that's a deep question. Come to me. It's the same thing with me. Deep question. Where the shit does my, I was just telling somebody I don't have no, like, some time. Part of yours comes from DNA. From DNA. And so does mine. Okay. I feel like I had the perfect parents to be what I became. I mean, I became a comedian whose father is mostly all the news, but not just politics, but culture. I lived in a house where my father was funny and was in the news business. Okay. So, plainly, that comes through and the next generation, you know, I mean, you certainly have, you know, done your father proud with the way you continued on with the, you know, again, the music, but like 2.0. Yeah. It's great. I mean, I like your father's music too. Yeah. No, no. Yeah. It lends itself really good to like putting it to, you know, kind of a, not a, a electrobeat, but, you know, I mean, they, you know, they, you know, jump with them, can't work with them. They do it all. They can't work with it. Yeah. You know, you really can't, and, you know, and this stuff is so great and the message is always very positive enough, but I've never known a unhappy Jamaican. Maybe they, maybe they're not happy when they're away from me. I don't know. I'm going to take credit. Maybe it's me when I'm around them. I don't think so. I think they, I don't know where, where does that come from? We're not sure. Where does that come from? That's true. That innate happiness that everybody's trying to get. You know, we're not trying to tend to see something like that. But why? Why? Is it, you think it has something to do with the religion? No. I think, I think he's just, we're all growing up within Jamaica, that's, car, what, what brings you happiness? You know what I say? It wasn't materiality. It wasn't the thing for money. It was going to the mango tree, picking the mango, you know, playing stone thing, playing stone wire with your friends, it was the, it was the simple thing that make you happy and that, it's, that's joyfulness. Oh, the mango tree. The mango tree I went with was playing on the streets and, you know, you never know anything better. I love having a mango on my mouth. Yeah. Wait. That came out wrong. Do you make a plant to different mangoes? I was, I was always when I'm here, I say, man, not against a Mexican mango, but Mexican mango. You got nothing on Jamaican mangoes. We need some Jamaican mangoes. I don't have to do some kind of trade in bargar, what? But we ain't got no Jamaican mangoes up here. Maybe it's the horticulture because, you know, plantains and, and mangoes were just not part of my youth. It was not a jersey thing. Well, you, well, you got, well, you grew up on it. New jersey. Yeah. But what kind of food you grew up on? What kind of food? Meatloaf. Meatloaf. Meatloaf would have put you to that, right? No, just meatloaf. No, there was a, I was, I was a sickly kid a little bit, and so, like if my mother found something I did like, shoot, there was, there was like a year I only ate meatloaf. Stick with that. Yeah. Stick with that. Stick, find what works. Yeah. You know, that's a secret of life. Finding what works. For me, it was meatloaf at age six or whatever. But yeah, I'd catch butterflies, I'd kill them and then I go out to meatloaf. I mean, that was my life. But, you know, it was normal. I mean, first of all, it was, the food wasn't processed. Right. That's the key. Different. It wasn't whether it was vegetarian or pork or meatloaf. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't poison. Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes. Like the man. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh, my God. Right about the man. That's true. That's true. Okay. This is all true. I know about the man. That's true. Fuck him. Fuck that man up, man. We call it a system, you know. The system. Yeah, it be. That's right. Yeah. Against the people. I mean, I was looking around here because I'm here and I was wondering, can I have questions too? Yeah. You know, like what? Club random. Why don't we not come from? What? Look what I'm talking about. It's so random. Random. Okay. I got it. It's like last week, it was Sam Harris this week, it's you. Yes. You know, next week, it's the ghost of Elvis. I mean, you just never who's going to be here. Yeah. And that's what I love about it. You know, I mean, I love I get to sit here and I mean, we'd be doing this if it wasn't a podcast. Probably. Yeah, no. And yet I'm enjoying myself so much. The freedom that that's the freedom of getting outside of the system, right? The man. And so just getting to know somebody like for real. Different. Yeah. You know, there's almost no greater pleasure in life. Maybe sexy time, yes, of course, nothing can really compete with that, but next to that, you know, there's nothing like just actual communication like like, oh, I like this guy. I always like this guy. Who is this guy? Right. You know, just I could go to get in just, you know, an hour or two, you can go so deep. You know, there are people who I've known for 40 years who I don't really know, because they just never go to that level. True. True. And there are people who I feel like I know after an hour. Yeah. No, no, no. I said that. It's about how much you're willing to like let somebody in, how secure or insecure you are, because insecure people can't be honest. Yeah. They're always like playing defense. Yeah. They're always fronting and pretending that and it's like, you know what, just whatever. You're not fooling me anyway. And so it's just boring. But like somebody like you who's real, you know, it's always so, so I try to have people here who are only real. You can't always win that battle, but, you know, that's true. But you know, for me, like, I was out of that shy person still. And I feel like some people with some time mistake that, you know, when. I think I'm like, standoffish, I always been shy. But I'm coming up with that a little bit now, I think. I keep talking to you here. It's a little bit of me coming up cause we're just talking. This is not an interview, we're just talking about that. - You don't have to say. - No one could ever accuse the issue of being over-produced or produced in any way. And that's the way I like it, but like, see a lot of people would say, when you go, I'm shy, cause I was the same way, painfully shy as a kid, especially in an adolescent, just when you really need not to be shy to talk to girls, you are, it was horrible. But they hear you say that and go, what are you talking about? You guys, you get it on stage. - Right, right, right, right. - Thousands of people are having to be shy. They don't realize that it's a whole different thing. You can be shy in front of two people and not shy in front of 10,000. Because it's an audience, it's not a person. It's a different experience than that. - Not that we don't love them individually, but they're not an individual in that thing. - Right. - And they're not also in control. - Right. - And they're not talking back - Right. - Well, sometimes they are. (laughing) - But in general, it's a different relationship. - It is a different kind of relationship. - It is, it is. - I'm doing something for you and you want me to do it for you. So we have this wonderful sort of symbiotic relationship. You want me to do the thing I do well and I want to do it for you to give you that gift. - 'Cause I remember I did something for my kids' school. They might have a fun or a reason thing, you know? And they might have to perform. So I used to, I can't get my kids to go to school. I went to them and I did a show. And this teacher was like, she couldn't believe it's the same person. 'Cause when I can't get to school, I'm like, well, when I'm on stage, it's a different thing. It's a different energy, you know? So that's true about it, yeah. - Right, what did they expect you to walk into the school with the kid and the first thing to sing? - No, yeah. - It's funny to, 'cause I always wanna, you know, 'cause I'm a father, right? Talk to me when I'm a father. 'Cause this is image I'm a father there, you know the world. You know what it occurs? And just Bob Marley, you know? Like, and when I was growing up, after I'm passed, I was growing up and I was shy. And like, I didn't see my father as a shy person. Like, after I'm passed, like, what my mindset was about him. But then, one of his oldest friends, never, who was, you know, who was around him. Like, one day we were talking, and you must say, you know, people think Bob was like a girl's man who like, cheers girls, and I'm saying, oh, he's fine, he was like, "Shime on." I'm gonna say, you know what I'm saying? It's my, it's my, it's my, it kind of made me kind of. - To be fair. - To be fair, huh? When your Bob Marley, especially in Jamaica, you can be a shy man. (laughs) And the girls will still chase you. - Yeah, yeah. - Okay. You don't need to be an un-shy man. When you are the biggest badass on the block. I mean, that's true. We're talking about human nature before, that's true. It is human nature for the female to want to get with the alpha male. - That's true. - That's true. So, I'm not saying, I don't know. - You know, that's true, that's true. - I don't know anything. - That's true, that's true, that's true. - I mean, but I'm guessing, you know, there are certain people, you know, men are always looking for an opening line. - Right, right, right, that's right, huh? - For the corny ones, you know, right? But then it hurt when you drop from heaven. You know, that kind of bullshit. Your father's opening line was, "Hi." Thank you very much. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So kind of you to say those compliments to me. That was his opening line. - Okay, it's a little different. - I get you, I get you. - Yeah, yeah. - But no, it kind of meant me understand some of my treats and why I'm the way I am, too, you know, by understanding some of his treats in that way. So yeah, you know, for like what? Like for me, I got through my father, funny, politics. Where it came right through. You think the same with your father? - Yeah, I mean, well, I think I would take it to another level. 'Cause he was much more like, "Oh, no, no, no, no, I am." And I was. And that was one of the problems, too, because in letting everything and everyone, you know? And it wasn't always good. It wasn't always good to be that open. And it caused you to be that open, too. - Why didn't you open about what? - Just people, anybody, whatever, whatever, you know what I mean, just like. - I mean, his life was too public. - Yeah, public, nothing in the sense of what we think about, no, like, press some, not like that way, but. - But the people, the whole island thought they knew him and owned him. He was bigger than just his family. He had to be. He was, he was. - And then, you know, you're in a circle, you know, who's in the inner circle, do you? You know, we have, you know, if you don't have the ability to say, "I don't want you in my inner circle," but he was too compassionate. Because, you know, it was, it was too, it's too much. So, we, I think I learned from that, really. So, I'm gonna, like, I don't really have friends. I don't really deal with friends, in terms of that. - You have an entourage? - No, I'm gonna have an entourage. I mean, I'm a-- - I have a fucking awesome entourage, right? - Red and sunny west. - Yeah. - Joe Esposito, Gilly. - Uh-huh. - And whoever that guy, Eddie Murphy. - Switch, hold on, hold on. - Hold it down. - Whenever they die, I hire their bodyguards. - That's my thing. - It's gonna be the best, you know? Get me all of this, guys. - I'm a loner, I always been a loner, dude. I'm always been a loner. - I always say that about myself. You're married. How can you be a loner if you're married? I'm not married, and I've never been married. That's a loner. I can be a loner if I'm married, too. - Right. (laughing) - Don't you wait until you want to hear that. - Especially if you want to. - She knows, she knows. - No, it's got some talent in my knowledge. - So she's cool, she knows when you need to be a loner. - Yeah, man, she knows when you need to be a loner. - That's the best kind of one. - Yeah, man, that's why it worked. - Yeah, that's why it works. - Yeah, I know, I feel the same way. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You have that. - And but sometime, as a man, you also have to make sure that the guy can sacrifice that for everything. You know, you need that. I need that. - Need what? - That time, my, that's-- - Yes, of course. - You understand? So, as a man, you also have to make sure you get that. - Well, you know what it is. Look, you're a charming guy. I'm a charming guy. No one has enough charm to be charming. - That much of the time. - You know what I'm saying? - I keep, I can be so fucking charming. - I'm not 24/7, every week, every month. Can I get a week off from being charming? - Yeah, yeah. - Because it's like when I got up in the morning. I'm not in a bad mood. - Right. - I'm just not in the mood to talk to you. - Talk to you. - I got you, I got you, I got you. - Oh, you're a grouchy. I'm only grouchy 'cause you're trying to talk to me. I'm having a great time in my head. 'Cause it's morning time, my morning noon. And just, you know, I'll talk to you later in the day. - No, we understand that, it's reality. That's reality, you know, you have a final woman who can't deal with that. - It's just a child. - It's so about acceptance. - And it's a balance, too, it's a balance. 'Cause you still have a balance. What a woman needs also, you know what I'm saying? It's compromising, too. You're on selfish things sometimes. You got to give a little bit and take a little bit, you know? And so that's how I am. That's how I stay, but, you know, every time, there's some time I say, "All right, I'm on a union break. "I'm taking a union break." (laughing) And I'm actually a lot of fun to kids around, but I'm not a union break, guys. - Well, I stayed unmarried for one reason. No woman, no cry. - No, I'm kidding. No, I mean, you know, we-- - But marriage, listen, it's not about marriage. It's about love. So I don't see myself. I'm married to my wife. What I love, not what I love, the thing of marriage is really a spiritual thing between you and the woman. You don't have to be married in society to have love with a woman, or I don't know how many women I don't know, whatever. - Or a man. - Or a man. So it's like-- - Or a zoo animal. - Yeah. The marriage, the marriage thing is not the idea I stick. I stick to that love thing because I could have, I could have been my wife and not married. I still love her to see me. And when married, I would love to see me. Like, the marriage is like, it's the icing, if you want to put icing on the cake. But the cake is still good, without icing. You know what I say? - The cake is still good, but with the Jewish woman, I would put a ring on it. I-- - Yeah, you have to say it. - No, you have to. - You have to. - No, you have to. - The people I know, okay. - You have to. - Okay, I know, Jewish girls from New Jersey. - Well, you want to put a ring on it too, though, bro. You got, you want to put a ring on it. - I know, I mean-- - You want to put a ring on it. - It brings, this is a, this is a health ring. I'm not married. This is, you have one of these rings? - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. - You know what that is? - The same kind of one page, I imagine. - Yeah, I see. - You know, no, no, no, no, no. - It does. It does. It measures all your, you know, I mean, I think mine was reprogrammed by E.I. I mean, E.I. - What's the point, what does it do? - What does it do? - Mine tells me my dick is amazing. I don't know what the other ones do, but it just says why. - Your program that I said-- - The Russians, through the rules. - Maybe it's the way I programmed it, I don't know. - No, my mind, so I don't like jewelry really, so I'm having-- - What's that? - But here to hear why, I mean, this is-- - That must be a lion. - Yeah, this is a lion. - Of course, it's a lion, it's a symbol. - This is my wedding ring, but I asked my wife to, if I wear my ring and ring, it's not-- It has to have more meaning than just what society wanted to mean. So I had to put Hebrew inside of the ring with the name of God and stuff like that. So when I put it on, there's a symbology to it that is spiritual and goes beyond a people-work thing. You know what I'm saying, so yeah, so-- - But the lion-- - So is it. - Let me-- are there lions in Jamaica? - Ethiopia. - Yeah, in Ethiopia, no lion in there. Although we call this a lion's. You know, we have a lion's shake in Jamaica. We have a hand style in Jamaica called a lion par-hand shake. - People still get the connection wrong, don't they? Between Jamaica and Ethiopia. - Well, do we really understand the public really understand that connection with-- - Oh, no, no, no, no, they don't. - Well, tell us-- - Because a lot of people think-- - Pile Selassie. - Funny, a lot of people think the Ethiopian flag is Jamaican because they don't understand that. They say the red one I agree with and say it's a Jamaican. Our flag is green, black, and yellow. But because they associate rust and that color with Jamaica from, you know, Mafar and those-- - But is there a connection with Pile Selassie in Ethiopia? - Yeah, I mean, it's from the feet of Rastafari. - Right. - No, the whole story, I kind of what I understand was that, again, we're the people in Jamaica who took on the feet of Rastafari, you know, they believe in the Bible and the prophecies of the Bible. And so there's a part of the Bible that tells you the prophecy of the coming of, here is Selassie, the kings of kings, the laws of the conquered. He has all the titles that is written in the Bible. - Including a lion. - Yeah, and so that was the beginning of that connection. And then there was also a rebellious nature about coming out of independence from England or to slavery or to the white Jesus imagery to find a black representation of God. That is not the white Jesus that came from slavery and colonization. So that was another-- that was the edge that Rasta had, that rebellious nature. And then the deluxe come from the Old Testament, the vote of the Nazarene, which also in the New Testament, Jesus was a Nazarene. - Yeah, he was from the Jesus of Nazarene. - Right, right. - He was not born in Bethlehem. - Right, and John was also-- So the here, you keep here, unkempt. You don't cut your hair, you don't drink alcohol, all of these type of traditions. So that's a lot of connection there. And then with Ethiopia, Ethiopia connection is through the line of Salaman and Queen Shiba. - Right, Queen Shiba. - Right, it was a queen of Ethiopia. She went to the land of Israel at the time, the Hebrew land. And she and Salaman had a child. She had a child in Ethiopia, many like. And then that's where the lineage and the connection started with the Hebrew side of things. So yeah, the connection, that really. - The Bible would say Salaman knew her. - Yeah. - You know the story of how we got, how so was we got her? - You were telling me. - So all right, so the story is, she went into the palaces or whatever. In a bedtime, and she never wanna get to Salaman. But Salaman said to her, listen, all right, you don't wanna, but listen, if you touch anything of value of mine, then we gotta get together. Don't touch anything of value of this. By the way, Drake says the sheet. (laughing) - So, if you touch anything valuable of mine. - So when Salaman prepared a dinner, Salaman, this is a story, Salaman told the chef, put a little extra salt, put a little extra salt in a meal. You know, you don't trust the rest, right? - Right. (laughing) - This is a perfect example of why. - Right. (laughing) - Put a little extra salt. - So after dinner, I didn't think Queen Shiba went to the bed and thinking, you know, she got really thirsty, you know? So she was looking for some water. So she said that thing of water, and she's all here. Let me drink some water, look, you know, there's, and Salaman was like, ah-ha. I tell you, if you touch anything of value of mine, and she was like, that's just water. - Water. - And he's like, that's the most valuable thing. - In the desert, yeah. - And that's, and they had a baby. Because of that, that's the story. The most valuable thing was water, not the funds to go and not whatever I like to try nothing. - And Salaman is the son of David? - Yeah. - Right. - So it's David, and then Salaman, and Salaman, of course, we know, I mean, if people know anything about him, wise, because he's the one who. - The baby. - The baby. - Right. - The story of the baby. - Yeah. - And what that, tell us the story of the baby. - Tell us the story of the baby. - There's two people, two women we're seeing, it's the same, this is my baby. - Two women were both claiming that this baby. - So she has that one who caught the baby and two. And the real mother was like, no, no, give it to her, give it to her. - But if that's what the real mother would do. - And that was the wisdom of Salaman right there. - Right, that's the movie, Sophie's choice. - Sophie's choice, that. - You know the movie. - I've heard of the movie. I've seen it. - The Meryl Streep. - Is that what it's like? - I mean, it's, she's basically, it's too sad. I don't wanna go into it, it's very sad. But you know, it's kind of a Holocaust story with the baby and it's similar. - Okay. - You know, she has to make a terrible choice. - Trice. - A terrible choice about the baby. I mean, you know. - I'm gonna listen to that. - Among the horrible things that humans do, is force unbelievably horrible choices on other human beings. - You and your human beings, yeah. I mean, leadership, and I'm feel like the world human, like there's, we have a leadership issue. I think the human beings have the possibility to feel, we are, to do good, to be good, to be better. But the top, there's something going on at the top. I don't know. - But who puts the people at the top? That's the question. It's like, how do people get to that place? Because it must, in some way, either it's by election or just by acquiescence, the, everybody else, all of us taking a little responsibility and saying, well, you know, we, somebody else could be at the top, but that's who came from us, who either fooled us. - Right, right. - Or in some way actually engaged us in wanting that person at the top. I mean, it's so easy to yell at politicians, and I agree, they deserve to be yelled at, you're right. I mean, you know, when I hear you yelling at them, it's like it's very satisfying feeling in the song. But like the deeper issue was, how did they get there? - Sure, sure. - You know, they're got elected. He was elected. People don't remember that. - You know, that's true. - And I don't know. I mean, Jesus was put on trial when they brought him in to, you know, to punch his pilot. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - There was, it was, the time of year, it was this time of year actually, when traditionally, the Romans would release one prisoner. So they had this other prisoner, Barabbas. - Yeah. - Why are you laughing? - I don't know the story, I don't know what it's going to be. - Oh yeah, it's a great story. - And it's a great name, by the way. Try and use it when I check into a whole story. - Barabbas. - Billy Barabbas, see if they're on their toes. - That's a good one, that's a good one. - So you know the story of Barabbas. - Yeah, I'm gonna do the story. - What is it? - Tell me, tell me. - I'm gonna say which one would I want to release? And then people would say Barabbas. But you know why I don't check Barabbas? And this is a trick. - Well who was Barabbas? - Barabbas was like a, it's like a gangster, like a people guy, you know? Like a, like a, like a, like a, like a done, like a done. You know, you know, a done for the, for the people. - He's like a low life thief. - Yeah, but for the people, it's like, he's one of the low, he's their low life where he's one of us. - Yeah, I can't see that. - I can't see that. Like he's one of them. Let Barabbas, they know Barabbas personally. You know? He's like, yeah, let Barabbas go. - 'Cause he robbed them. That's why they know them personally. - Them still choose him, you know? What are you right? What are people chasing him? - But wait, wait, we gotta go back to why this is relevant. So Barabbas, so it's Easter time. So Pontius Pilates says, okay, you know what? Because we're good people. I mean, you've heard a lot of things about the Romans where this, where that, we kill everybody, we conquer, okay. Sure, like you're perfect. But every year at Easter time, here's what we do. We let one prisoner go. And we make this into a game show. We let the people decide. So they had Jesus and they had Barabbas. And they gave the people the choice. Who would you like to let go? Son of God. - This is perfect. - The man, this is crazy guy who said he was a son of God. - This is perfect light. - There's a man telling you the guy, then what I said, you know. This crazy guy, he said he's a son of a gun. - Or, you know, (laughing) Sonny, Sonny Liston in 1965. - Just, you know, and the people pick Barabas. - Yeah. - I just think about every year when I lose the Emmy. (laughing) You know what I'm saying? - No, I'm not. - No, I assisted it. - And people are not great at choosing. - They're just not, you know. - But if they hadn't chosen Barabas, then Jesus wouldn't have been crucified. And then what were we wearing around our necks? - You know, what kind of bling could you have? Not across? - It was still, but we're still need, or miss it, we have to do something. We cannot, we cannot sit back and accept that. - Except what? - Except that all the people make by choice, so that's the way it is, you know, that's that. - No, not the way it is, but, you know. - But the people have to, it has to start with the people, you know, both positively and negatively. People have to take responsibility, you know, you have a bill of rights, we have rights, we also have responsibilities. - True, true. - I mean, people are not educated on what the fuck's up, basically, if I may use a technical term. They don't know what the fuck's up. So, you know, I can, I have limited sympathy when they make stupid choices, because they didn't do the hard work of educating themselves. - Or getting involved. - Yeah. - I mean, I hear all the time, people come up to me, usually people in fancy restaurants who are doing very well and enjoying all the privileges of the life, they hate privilege, but their life is just nothing but fucking privilege, okay? - Bill, what are we gonna do? And like, you know what? You know what they do in other countries? If they really think things are this bad, they go on strike. - They pay for national strikes. - It's sacrifice. - They sacrifice. - That's, we, yeah. - It's sacrifice. - It's sacrifice. - Yeah, that's sacrifice. - You really hate what's going on with the environment so much, and yet every meal is delivered from a grub of love. - It's sacrifice. - An environmental disaster, you're into crypto, an environmental disaster. You know, it just, I don't see, I see a lot of talk. I don't see a lot of action. - No sacrifice. - Yeah, you have a sacrifice. And I mean, leadership can come from, can come from within the people to in terms of start at that level. Let's take leadership at that level instead of like, you know, the biggest presidential, the biggest whatever, but the leadership can come from the community level too. And start it that way there. That's the only way I feel like I can get the, and the music is a part of that too. That's right. You know, the whole, the whole pop culture, you're a part of that. We're all a part of that because we still have a push out, that energy out here for people. You know, we still have to do that. We're all a part of that. You know, we have to, we have to fight them too. We have to, just like they put now, just like they doing their thing, they're doing their, whatever they're doing for them. We have to, we have to punch back as hard with all that stuff, with what we're doing. You know, we have influence too. We can, you know. - When they go low, we go low. - Yeah, bro. We're gonna go on smart and smarter too. - Yeah. - God's not looking, he was called away from his desk. - Yeah. - I just, okay. - No, I'm just, you know, I know it's sacred. - You see, yeah, God. - Sacred to me. - Yeah, and I'm, I'm true to myself. I know, I know, you know what I mean. - Have a son, cause you're divisive, so. - I'll tell you up to that son. No, I'm not, yeah, I don't, because, you know, I'm gonna try it like, you know, I remember one time I was in Holland. - Ah. - When I read a show, I knew it would be like, you know, like, hey, you know, I'm a small pun to tell me. Say, you know, I don't, I don't smoke on demand, you know. I don't, I don't do that. I'm not like that, I'm not, yeah. - But that must be very disappointing to people. - It is, it is. (laughing) - It is cause they want that, they want that. They made you they want that thing, you know? But, I mean, it's like the Pope coming out and they're like, put the cross away. It's just, it's just not what I'm all about. Okay, I mean, I don't know what you've read about. - That is so true. - The Pope. - That is true. - You know, Catholic this whole thing. - Yes, I am, but I didn't fucking see it all the time. All right, we get, he died on the cross. - That's the true. - But is Jesus part of Rasta? Is he, is he one of you? - Yes, Yeshua, yes, Yeshua. - Yes, Yeshua. - In the past is Jesus. - Right, because Jewish, that's the Jewish name. - Yeah, that's his name, that's the right name. - Well, he, no, very few people. - That's a little more Jewish than Jesus. - Yeah, that's his name is yes, Yeshua. - His name is not Jesus. - I mean, for the first hundred years of Christianity, it was really just a offshoot of Judaism. You know, Jesus is a very big character in Judaism. I mean, he was born in a Jewish man in a Jewish, you know, it's amazing how many kids are dumb enough not to understand this. Like, Jesus, Jewish, you can't, he's Christian. It's so stupid. Exactly, I mean, this is how bad the schools are. So they don't, teach this basic idea. Yes, there could not have been any Christianity if he wasn't a Jew first. It was a Jew. But I'm telling you, for the like the first hundred years, you know, there were no Christians. They were like Christian Jews. There were people who, who, these crazy people who thought, oh, this is the Messiah. - Right, this is, right. - Whereas the old guard was like, no, this isn't the Messiah. - Right, right. - We're still waiting. - You know, I mean, I never understood what that personality schism was all about, but it's interesting to me that some people were all about, no, no, no, no, we need still need to wait. And some people were like, no, this is it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - This is the guy. - Yeah. - I mean, it's just, I feel like it's not really about whether he is the guy or not. It's more about your personality in the way you see the world. And some people like to keep waiting and some people like to keep things as they are. And some people are like, no, this is the new thing. - Yeah, it's great. - It is. - Here's the Messiah. Come on, get on board. - And then then miss the teaching. And then then miss the lifestyle. Them take, them take that and put that up as the thing. Like, oh, he's a Messiah, he's, and I believe in Christianity, but how you're living your life, his example, you're not living his example. - No. - But you only live in that, you know, we're in the cross, but not living the example of Christ. So this is it, you know. - Very few people who count themselves as Christian have any idea what the example is. Or if they do know, which is probably worse, they ignore it. - Ignore it. - They ignore it, they just, it's just too hard to live up to. - It is. - Yeah. - Love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek. These are just, and people just will tie themselves in intellectual knots to find their way back to some justification, what they can say. Like, fucking the poor, it's what Jesus would have wanted. (laughing) What Bible are you reading? - Yeah. - It's just crazy. You know, he was such a happy, and there were publicans love him. - Well, when I was some time, I understand how to miss. I like, how do you say people, like it's so easy for you? Like, full people, full of masses. It's like, I see clearly, and I'm like, how come a number is not seen with the clarity that I'm seeing? What's going on? Like, we're, it's really interesting to me now. Looking at that, to a Christian thing. - That's what makes you a great thing to write about. - Yeah. - Right? - Yeah. - I mean, don't you get your inspiration to write a song? I mean, there's always like a meaning behind it. You know, it's very, I mean, your culture has the reputation of, you know, just, you know, don't worry, be happy. But there's a lot of deep shit. You know, in you and your father's stuff, you know. I mean, it's, it's not just, you know, it is true. It's not just the surface of life. - That's true. - I mean, it is, there is a happiness there. I know, I never, I'm telling you, every Jamaican I've ever known was, was like their default setting. - Right. - This show. - Was happy and smiling. And I don't know where that comes from. - You better earn, you know. - You think it's the herb? - Me, I mean. - Do you mean, come here? (laughing) I mean, it's made me happy for 50 years, you know. - 50 years, I'm still not addicted. Isn't that awesome? - Yeah. (laughing) - No, you have control of yourself, but that's my thing with me. Like, you know, I'm not a control freak, but almost can't control myself. And not let others are anything that's controlled me or tell me when or what we need for the visit. That's the part of my attitude, you know. - Oh, who are you threatened? - Will control you. - Anything herb, anything. Like, watching the news, watching a movie, if your mind is not strong enough, these things can influence you. Listen to a song, some negative. These things can go in your brain and over and over again, eventually it influences your mind. It's a humanity in me, love for all humanity, man, I'm not partial. - I'm not partial. - It shines through everything you ever recorded. - I'm about to say. - I'm about to say it. You know, anything of the greatest actor in the world. - No, I'm not. - Which I don't think I think that's it. - Or that's who you are. - Yeah. - And I think that's who you are. - No, I know you are. - The real man, that's what, why don't I tell him? - No, I get it. - Yes, man. - That one, and it's great, you know? I mean, like, there's two times in a day, I feel where you really need and want a dare I say deserve, 'cause I'm Gen Z. - Positivity. - Mm-hmm. - One is when you wake up and one is before you go to bed. - Mm-hmm. - Like, before I go to bed, I know this is bad because it's light. - True. - I get it, not good. - But I watch TV. - Yeah. - That's, that's like, me, it's a watch TV. - It's sacred to me. Like, it's just like roster, it's the, it's the, you want to know sacred for an atheist who never got married. It's watching TV before you go to bed. I'm not on my phone or the iPad, like on a big-ass screen. Okay, like, I'm at the fucking set-up box. All right, assholes, watching on your phone. - You would have, yeah. - And, and, you know, before I go to bed, I want to watch TV, but there are some things I don't want to see. - Mm-hmm. - You know, I mean, I started watching a series where I said, which I do want to watch, it's with Nicole Kidman. And, you know, I mean, I was reading the review, and my girl said to me, "Why do you, you gonna watch?" I said, "Yeah." I said, "Why?" I said, "Because I trust her." - Mm-hmm. - Which is the highest compliment I could give to someone in show business. I trust you. You have, you have, every time I watch something that you're in, it's almost always good. - Right, it's right. - That good project, you're always good in them. But it's about a fucking, you know, serial killer doctor. (laughing) Yeah, I don't want to, you know, it's like, before I go to bed, I do not want to see autopsy seen where the mangled body of the sexually abused director of me is, okay, you know, and also when I wake up. - Yeah. - You know, I have a special playlist for just for waking up. And it's almost all songs with the word beautiful in the title. You know the race, Steven's song, everything is beautiful. That'd be a great one to do, Rick. That would be great. You know the song? - Let's take it though. - Everything is beautiful. - And it's own way. - Yeah. - Yes, with the music, a child chorus on it. - You should. - Himmler. - I'm telling you, that'd be, yeah, man. (laughing) No, I mean it, yeah, man. - Yeah, man. - No, no, no, no, no, man, me. - No, man, yeah, man, yeah, man, yeah, man, me. - What? - What, you mean it? - No, I'm taking it every day, bro. - Yeah. - And it's own way, like the starry summer night. There's no covered wind, just day, everyone is beautiful. - Yeah. - In their own way. - That's true. - It's so you. - That's true. - You don't be, don't be too good to do a cover. - No, no, you don't need them, but you know, a lot of great people have done covers. There's no shame in doing a cover. - No, man, I'm not shaming on doing a cover. - You ever done a cover? - I didn't hear man, I did drive. - Drive. - I did drive for the, Adam and Sandra move with, with Drew Barrymore. - Oh, cool. - Yeah, and I actually started doing that song live 'cause usually I don't like doing covers. That's true. I don't like doing covers, but-- - It builds at 18. - Bezos. - Beatles, 1860s mop top group. They were big in England. Never hit here. I don't know what happened. They tried just flies, but yeah. - 18 covers. - 18 covers. - Some people don't even know what it was covered. Do they? Some of them find them. They might not know what it was covered. - I feel like, I feel like a, it'd be harder to find musical artists who didn't ever do a cover. - Boy, bug, yeah. - Because-- - That's true. - You know, and you know what? - Prince did covers? - Prince. - Yeah. ♪ Betcha by golly, wow ♪ - Remember that one? - It was creative. Prince did that one, did that one? - Betcha by golly, wow, by the stylistics. - Yeah, I know that. Some of the animals or Prince do a version of that. - Yeah, you don't. - Wait a second. (laughing) - Exactly. - But I do. - Yeah. Let me look it up, no. - Don't fuck with me on this, man. I mean, at home, when did he do that one? Like, bugging under early, early days, I don't know. - I can't give you the year, but check it out. - Well, let's say you can tell him. - Betcha by golly, wow, boy, Prince. You're gonna do that. And then you are gonna do a cover of everything beautiful. - These are beautiful. - Beautiful, but yeah. Wake up in the morning, you gotta hear that. You gotta hear Barbara Streisens. ♪ You got to get up every morning ♪ ♪ With the smile on your face ♪ ♪ And tell the world that you're beautiful again ♪ - You're serious, man. - I'm telling you, you gotta get up to good. - You're serious. - You gotta go to bed. - Oh my God. - You can't go to bed to an autopsy. - Yeah, no, no, no. - And you can't get up to it. And like, you know, your stuff would work on either end of the day. - You know, my new stuff, I like my new stuff. I tell people that this is the only album I did that I listened to not as the artist that did it, but just as a listener. That could really uplift me. It caused, I think that's why I wrote some of the songs to kind of, from a mentally emotional ahead of time. - What's that mean about it? What this is, what is it? - It's called Bright Star. - Don't even out now. - No, no, it's it. Well, of course, a single old color racism is a killer. But-- - What is it out? - April 18th, on vinyl. - April 18th, perfect timing for doing this podcast. - Yeah. (laughing) - It's weird how that works. - See that? Well, we'll make it work. - Well, and what was your last studio album? It's been a while. - Yeah, last one was a kids project, but it was you in the pandemic thing. So that wasn't really done, you know, really. It's been a while. - Wow, pandemic did a lot for you. Albums, Jewish cooking. (laughing) - Dog, we got a dog, true. - I didn't got a dog. - And a dog. - We got a dog. - God, let's have a pandemic every 10 years. - You have a dog, what's your dog? - Room, it's a water dog. - A water dog. - In high polygene, kind of kids have allergies and stuff, you know? - Oh really? - My wife was there. - No hair. - No hair, but it's like, it's not shedding. It doesn't shed. - Oh, cool. - And my wife, orally, her name is Orally. She was so against it at the time, 'cause it's really, you know, she takes on a lot of responsibilities, you know? My wife, you know, she really kind of have that kind of personality. - Kids are a handful, we're here. - And the dog would be another kid. So she was very reluctant about it, but eventually she loved the dog more than probably I loved. You know, like, if I disappear, she's like, "Don't know, don't know." (laughing) So you didn't even water dog, and I kept a talk to the dog. Like, the kids love the dog. - The kids love the dog, it's good, yeah. And my nine-year-old, you know, have a good body. - And you gotta have an animal in the house. You do, because it resets your sense of humanity. It resets your sense of honesty. - Honesty, that's what's the best thing about pets. They're fucking honest. - They don't like, they don't know how to lie. - They don't care. - They have no pride, they have no pride. - That's true. - And they want that biscuit. - Oh, yeah. - You know, or, you know, you can just give them stuff you wouldn't need no pride. - That's true, man. - And it just gives you perspective on life. That's true, I grew up with animals. I grew up with animals. - Richard. - I'm in Jamaica. Dogs, and cows, and goats, and chickens. - You ate. - Yeah, and chickens, and when I was young I started learning to, you know, do my own farming and stuff like that. So, I grew up with animals. - Do they have chickens around the house? Is that what's the thing? - Yeah. - I mean, whenever I see, like, film of Jamaica, there's always chickens. - Yeah, man, chicken. - On street dogs, usually on some street dogs. - Yeah. - Brown, whatever color it is, that's what we call them. Brownie, blackie, whiteie. - I hadn't taught him blackie. - Blackie? - He was black? - Of course. (laughing) - I'm not that ironic. (laughing) - Yeah, jet blackie. - Yeah, jet blackie. - He was blackie. - It's really much ebony, but I never really like ebony. - Let me commit to it. - Yeah, it was a little fey. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - A blackie. - A blackie bit, yeah. - It sounded like ebony. - You have to like the name of the dog. - Yeah. - And then we have Chula, who's very old. - Such a connection. - It's, oh, yeah. - Such a connection, man. - So, you know, I'm facing being an empty nester. - So you'll get more, you'll get another dog. - I will, of course. - But, you know, when you get them, it is a lot. No, maybe it's not a lot, like having children, but you do have this period where, I mean, there are animals and they don't understand English, which is a real problem. We're trying to teach it, but they don't. They don't want to learn English. And so, you have to, you know, inculcate with them, these ideas that are far into them, and you can't speak to them. English to them, but they have to know that they can't go to the bathroom in the house. Right, right. And they have to do this. Right. And they have to do that. Right. And everything is such a struggle. And they're young and dumb. Yep. Like we are. Yep, when we're young and dumb. And so it's a real, you know, there's an adjustment period. Really with dogs, you only get like a couple of great years where they're still bouncing and fall a life and then, when you come home and not like a pain in the ass who shits in the house. And then they soon get old and they get very like lazy after about eight to four with my dog. Because he's so active. We'll play with him all the time. I won't let him. I won't let him. What? A tree. Yeah, exactly. Trust me. When he's sex, he's like, he won't get up when you walk in. Because I'm over it, man. You've been through it. I haven't been through it. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you're in the area. Yeah, I'm glad you too. I am terribly disappointed you don't smoke pot with other people. But if I joined the religion, no, you're not the general religion. Well, love is my religion. Love is my religion. Okay, it's getting a little weird now. God, what are you saying, man? What do I have to do to smoke pot with you? No. What time? What time? What's at it of you? Maybe some other time you'd smoke with me. I said, yeah, man, when? In the right setting, you went to the right, I mean-- Look, the experience of my experience of it. Because I was really looking forward to coming over here and having my mind blown with your superior, unbelievable Jamaican dope. So I can't tell you. We're going to get to it and it's going to be a story that we'll tell. But no one will see it. Great. No one will see it, but we'll tell you the story. As the poet said, anticipation itself is a sensory delight. See that? Thank you, bro. I wish a lot of love. Love me. Yeah, man. Thank you, man. Love, man. All right, man. I mean, man. [LAUGHS] [MUSIC PLAYING] Okay. Nice, man. Nice, please. Nice, man. Nice, man. Nice. You going to mind? Are you good? Yeah, I'm a good one. You had a good time. Yeah, I'm annoying you. Thank you. Meep, thank you so much for everything. All right.