Yvonne Byrne - Mum’s The Word

(upbeat music) Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this very special Mother's Day broadcast episode of Nikkiburn HQ, coming to you live from the glamorous studios of my back garden, where the microphones are professional, the presenter is world class and my mom is still asking, if anyone wants a cup of tea before we start. Now, my mom is a remarkable woman. She successfully raised three children, which means she has spent the last few decades acting as a chef, a therapist, taxi driver, referee, detective, financial sponsor, on a part-time hostage negotiate and all that usually before 9 a.m. in the morning. She has an incredible memory as well. She remembers every embarrassing story from her childhood with frightening detail. Yet somehow can never remember where she left her glasses, which sometimes are on the top of her head. She's the kind of woman who worries about everything. Did you eat? Did you bring your coat? Did you lock the door? Where are you? Why are you out so late? And that's even if you're a fully grown adult who lives in another country. But in fairness, she is the heart of the family, the woman who kept us fed, mostly behaved and only occasionally threatened to turn this car around. So today, in honor of Mother's Day, and our long-suffering patience with the three of us, we proudly welcome the woman, the woman who definitely deserves a medal or at least a very large Bacardi in Coke. Would you welcome, please, my mom, Ivan Burr! (audience cheering) How did you agree to do this? I don't know. Are you nervous on a scale of 1 to 10? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm nervous. 10 being the most. Oh, yeah, maybe six. Oh, that's too bad, I'm quite impressed. Now, we did mention the Bacardi. So it will be wrong of me to start this show without giving you your favorite tip. Is that okay? I'm looking forward to the measure. Here as well, look. Okay. So we're gonna say, you have water there if you need it. Would you Bacardi? Where did Bacardi and Coke start, for your mom? When did you go on to that drink? A long, long time ago, I probably started on vodka course and then progress. Didn't like vodka. Well, I didn't really like drinking for a long, long time, but eventually I got something that I liked. So when you were like 18, 19, 20, like those, when you were legal to drink, what was your first drink? What did you start on? I think that's a candy. What was it? Here you go. So when you say candy, what was it? A smoothie or a candy? A smoothie. I don't put you on that. Oh, your daddy. He met me one night at the Sunday evening and I used to make me up for our bests in our country. And he arrived anyway and he said, "No tickets for the pictures tonight." He said, "We won the cup." So he said, "We're going through the pub to Handlands in Cabra there at the cattle market." He said, "That's where the team, it was animal united." So that's where we went. I didn't drink. I'd never had a drink at that stage. And we went in and all the lads were there. And he said, "I'll get you a drink that you like." And it was a candy. So it's a smoothie. No one died. That was him basically not wanting to go to the pictures. That was him with the lads on the night out with him. Oh, no, yeah. The couples on the night out after winning the cup. After winning the cup of course, like they did. They went all around the area. Your daddy had a card. I forget what kind of a yellow card anyway. But it was open at the top, you know? And they started driving around with the cup. I remember that picture. I remember that photograph. Yeah, there was pictures at home. All of them sticking out. Was Gussi enough photograph? Was that the same? Gussi, yeah. Gussi was, yeah, that's right. Gussi was as well. And they would have played with. There were quite famous at the time, Sean and Tony Walters. And Brank Lynch. I forget now. That was a few. Oh, Terry O'Flaherty. There were a few that I remember. Jerry Daley, the footballer. Was he best man in play for Manian Oida? What was he at the wedding? Jerry went from Stalamaris to Manian Oida. And that's. He was a friend of yours. Maybe a couple of years younger, but they all kind of played football together. And he just became a very good friend. And he was that I went with Fred Davis. And was he playing for Manian Oida at that time? Oh, yeah. So he was effectively a Premier League player. Yes. And he was at your wedding? And everywhere that Jerry went, he brought me home a doll all over the world. You know, when the little mascot, little fancy doll. Yeah. Where was your wedding? The Clarence. Clarence. It wasn't Bano's with YouTube, wasn't it? [LAUGHTER] A long time ago. So, and many people were at that wedding? Oh, God. I really don't know. I suppose there was a hundred anyway. Yeah, it was big enough, I suppose, for that time, yeah. But a hundred. So the church was where? It was in Kool-Ack where you were living at that point, yeah? We got married in Kool-Ack, and the wedding was in the Clarence. At that time, afternoon weddings were only common in. Of two, like, my sister got better. We got married the year before, but her husband was a morning wedding. So we got married before, and a friend of your dad had just been ordained a priest on the 10th of June, and Robert Foley, and he married us. And the reception was in the Clarence. And we didn't go away until the Monday. But we went to Butlons for the weekend. We spent the Saturday night at the Sunday night. We came home on the Monday, and then we went off to Spain then for 10 days. So, Butlons was the only meal before the proper wedding? Did you do that thing where everybody stands together? You know, there are arms, like, make, create a tunnel and he's on. Under the arch. Under the arch. Under the arch. Is that still up? Not only go for seeing that in years. I don't know. We do that anyway, yeah. So, where, what was the first dance? Do you remember? Or the band? Or what is the memory? I don't remember the first dance. I don't think that was the big thing at that time, you know, the band were okay. Because your dad was in the band, but they weren't somebody who got him in the band. So, he wasn't too happy with the band on the day. He got up and sang and played himself. Yeah, but it was great. Yeah. I love it. Do you remember what he sang? No. No, okay. We were in there every stop morning, morning in the wedding. You the four of a sudden you were from the together? No. No. I was just a little bit worried for just exactly a year before me. Do you know, I don't think so. No. I don't think so. Yeah. No. My mom, your Nana had had a party during that week, so on the morning of the wedding, we didn't have anybody and it was just for the family only. And then all the neighbors, then we were all outside the gate and when you came out, that kind of thing. And then at the church there was a big grouchy for the kids. Or all the coins and stuff. What was the food of the wedding? Was it chicken and chips? No, no, no. I'm going to say it was probably chicken and roast potatoes and. It's quite possible. Yeah. Well, it wasn't chicken and chips and chips. And no, probably it was a three course maybe and I don't know if he had wine, but we certainly had an open toast that I do remember. Okay. And was that like who made that speech, your dad would use it? Yeah, my dad was very proud because he had five daughters. So yeah, very, very proud man, love to daughters. Hard on us sometimes because he was an awful warrior. So he always had to ask, could you go there, could you do that? So that's where I get that worries? Yeah, probably. Well, you probably get that from me. I'm not as well. You're aware? But yeah, no, he was great man. Great. Right. I'm going to go back to my dad later on, but I want to go back to where you grew up. So your five sisters, you've, I'm sorry, four sisters because your five is in the family. So you've bet he, then yourself, then marry, then con and burn it. Right. So when you were born, you were second, let's say second eldest, where were you born? I was born a new year in 1954, I'll write to say that in 147 Thomas Street. I was actually born at home. I'm 147 Thomas Street. We lived in South China. South China? Yes. As most of my family, still South China. There was a shop called Corley Shop, 147 Thomas Street and we lived to the rear of the shop. It was, wasn't an apartment, it was a flat. We didn't run out of it outside, toilet to it's side and all that content. You've mentioned, you've said that to me before, mom and I find, our generation, I think, finds that very hard to comprehend. And nowadays, even more hard to comprehend because people are probably scrolling on their mobile phones on the toilets and spend in fire to long or more than they need to. When people are now probably facetime in people, they're on scrollin' Instagram, they're bookin' flights, they're, you know, send an email. But forget about that, you had to use the jacks outside. Yeah. And it was like a tournament house, if you like. But it was a, what they called was a closed door. It wasn't an open door. Well, that's from the church. So it couldn't just go in up the street. But that was flat all above us and everybody. It was, it was two toilets. No, whether it was the lady. Oh, you didn't even have your own toilet free. No. You shared it with other families? Yes. Yes. Felly, yw'n gwaithio, yn yw'n gwaithio, a a'r ymg i'r ymw'n gwaithio. Inaeth gweithio yw'n gwaithio. Yna fel ei yna fel yw'n gwaithio. Felly, a'r yw'n gwaithio yn gwaithio yna fel yw'n gwaithio. Mae'r gwaithio, a ffyd yn gwaithio. Mae'r gwaithio, a ffyd yn gwaithio, a ffyd yn gwaithio, a ffyd yn gwaithio. Mae'r gwaithio, a ffyd yn 1961, a ffyd yn gwaithio. Mae'r gwaithio. sy'n cwyg. Dow known. 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No, I did eat them once or twice but I wouldn't eat them. Was it nice? It was a little fish like there's, yeah, no, I wouldn't eat them now. I don't even like to think about that. Music wise for you, you remember Matt Monrol, was there music for you? Was there pop stars? Was there someone like in your later years, probably Elvis, there was probably the Beatles? What do you mean when you were young? My idols would have been the monkey, Stavigeons would have been, yeah. So what age would you have been then? I suppose but 13, 14, yeah, I had a monkey hat. Yeah. Was there posters? Oh yeah, we had all of them, yeah. So you were a fan? You were a boy band. Oh yeah, I was, yeah. I went to coach football and I said, "George Bass was my idol, so yeah." Did you or dad play football when you were a kid? Play for team or coach a team? Yeah, you played with Cadbury's, I don't know what they were called, but he played for the team in Cadbury's and then I think you went down to be like a system manager or, you know. He also helped out in Kool-Ock years later, Kool-Ock boxing club and he brought me down to the boxing club when he let me, when I was very young. I remember he'd been in the ring and being fascinated and even though soccer football was my love at that point. I remember getting boxing gloves from Santa Claus or from a baritade. I don't know if I haven't been getting them, but I also remember you not letting me box. I wouldn't have liked boxing, I bought you now on Fair Play to Kaysutaylor and all that book. But you did tell me you didn't want to have one of those noses? No, yeah, I wouldn't have liked that. But. Which let me box now for charity. Because somebody wanted me to fight James McLean recently for charity, would you be going. Would you go to the fight? When you were in gold, I used to be in the ball, become an area, I joined the other way. I so. You don't know what I'd be like with boxing. You mentioned how they mentioned Rush. When was the first time you traveled outside of Ireland? Or the first time in a passport? The very first time I was on a plane was, I can tell you exactly when it was, it was just gotten in September, 72. We went to a wedding, your dad's cousin was getting married and the whole family went. And I was in at the window and he was on the outside and he was kind of bending over looking out and I was afraid he was going to tilt the plane. Was that his first time on a plane as well? I don't know, because he had gone to Manchester, he lived in Manchester for a while, but I think he went on the boat. Okay. I think he went on the boat. And were you nervous? What's your memory of us? Oh yeah, very nervous. Was there Erlingus? Yeah. Yeah. Very nervous. And then I went again, then six months later on my honeymoon to Spain, so I had to get used to it. If you think, we'll move on from childhood now, but when you think of childhood, I mean, it's just close a lot there, but what's the one abiding memory that stands out to you? If you just randomly on a day and when's the afternoon when you're in the house and you think back to when you were eight or ten or what's one that memory that always stands out? Well, I suppose at the age I am now thinking back, I would always think of my mum and dad, they were always there. There was never a time that they were there, so I'm always grateful for that. That's just that answer your question. Yeah, no. Well, not really, no, but I'll actually wave it. Right, moving on then to your teenage years. How did you meet my father? Tell me the story. It was June 21st of June 1968, and we used to go to Bartons. It was a hop in Maldrastery. We used to go on a Sunday afternoon, but because we had just finished our exams, we were allowed to. If you nearly like a kid now go into their two-wire ball, if you like. So we were allowed to go on this Friday night because we were all on holidays, finished our exams. So that was the year, that was the night that I met him. I was standing there with one of my friends, Betty Dwyer, and there were two guys in front of us, but now a good bit away. One was facing this way, and one had his back to us. So at that time there was Lady's choices and there was mixed choices. What does that mean, Lady's choice? Lady's choice, the girl asks of the guys. Oh, are mixed choices. Yeah, our mixed choice was either our, you know. So anyway, I said Betty Dwyer, I last got to follow it with Ms. Trash. She was looking at us, you know, and she said, "I said you asked if I should, I know I'm not asking for a bit." No, we didn't see him because he had his back to us. Anyway, we didn't. We were very young and probably never asked for fell-up, but anyway. So that was fine. That was the slow dance. They used to have a slow set, three or four records, and then they'd have a fast. So you didn't ask for no? No, no, no. But then probably not the next fast one, but the next one. They asked us up. But the fellow with Ms. Trash asked her up and the other fellow asked me up. Who was your daddy? And he had his back to me originally. He had his back to me originally. And so he asked me up then and I suppose we had a little chat and had a bit of laugh. Then for the last answer to the end of the night then he asked me up for slow dance. I mean, that's all I can do. And he told me he was 19 and he said to me, "How old are you?" And I said, "How old do you think I am?" He said, "It's a year-old 17." And I said, "Well, I'm 16 and a half. I'm nearly 17." But I wasn't. I was 14 and a half, nearly 15. So he left me down with the bus that night and he asked me out for the Sunday night. For the pictures. Anyways, I stood him up. He stood up. I panicked. Yeah, I got a bus. You know, he was 19, maybe only 14. And that was okay in those days. Because I mean, everybody got married young and now that worked young and all that. So where would you, where would you use to use to me? Our bus stopped at Liberty Hall. There was a pub there called, I think it was called Barney's at the time. There are Delifi and or something. Anyway, so that's where I was to meet him. But there was only one of my friends in you. So I sent a rian. I didn't stand him up. I just sent him in and said, "Tell him I can't make it tonight." So one of your friends went to the front? Oh, no, one jet. From where were you living then? Cooler. Yeah. Went in on the bus to tell him. Well, the jet and on the bus and told him. Yeah. And how did he take it? He went back up. He had to buy the tickets, you see. For Sunday night, he had to buy them. He went up and he sold them. He'd spent the money on him. Yeah, he went up and he sold them. You got full value for that. Can you remember the movie was supposed to be? No, but then a few weeks later, then he asked me again. I can remember that pic that was Black Bear's ghost. So that was-- And were you sure? Or did you regret standing them up? Like in the days before you met him again, did you think, oh, well, that's just life? And he was one that got away. I probably was. Sorry, like years later, but you were dead. What was he-- can you remember what he was wearing? The first time he saw him? Yes, he had pale blue jeans and a white t-shirt, but it was more of a jumper kind of t-shirt, you know, sleeve to hair and around neck, like a cable kind of thing. And he had a very good looking hair. How did you get the tan, Maldigan? Oh, you're tan. [LAUGHTER] Right, so the next time you met him, then he could be slated or whatever, in the same part, same hop, partens. Yeah. And did he come over to go on? Yeah, it happened. He came over and he asked me, was I going out with somebody that stood him up on my side now? And then he asked me out again. And I said, OK, so yeah, no, I tell a lie, I didn't. My friend had to go to-- you're obviously a cabra. And she had to go to cabra for-- to her aunt's house. And we went and we had to pass by, you know, that he says. And of course, he came out and he was talking to us. So that's how-- then he left the two of us around with the bus. And he asked me out that late. Is that the movie? Look behind you then. My friend's-- there you go. [LAUGHTER] Is that pretty bad? Yeah. Is it a good movie? Or did you be-- You saw him in love, you didn't even watch. I know, he bought me a bit of packing his suite. He said to me, there you go. Don't tell anybody about it, though. You didn't want to be in bars. It goes a bit of street cred. I have obviously great memories of dad, but when you think of him at that point, what was his goals or his dreams? as a young lad. He was obviously, I remember him telling me he left school early and he was working as a painter in decorate. So I imagine then at 19 he was working, painting and decorating at that point. Yeah, he was probably, yeah, he was actually this time, but that time. And I think it's service time is hard because he would have worked on, you know, new housing states and that kind, you know, but then he was the first. Oh, sorry, when he left school. When he was supposed to, no, we did. He had to, he would have had to do some sort of college, like for the straight as well, you know. And was he in the band as well then? He was in the band. Yeah, he was in the band then when I met him. Yeah. And they had a few different names, but they played a good few big venues in town, you know, like this. Got through some of the names of the bands he was in. One of them was called chapter one. One was called the system, breakthrough. I think that might have been. And then Ricky Lee, where did, what was Ricky Lee? No, Ricky Lee was a little bit later on. When he was in the band and then when we got married, then he kind of, the band fizzled out the lads were all getting older and getting married and then and then he, Julian was probably about a year old. I need decided then to do like a cabaret band. And that's when then he did a bit of cabaret and he was called Ricky Lee. That wasn't for too long because obviously then he set up the band. And he didn't do the cabaretting, but he was Ricky Lee for a while. When those 19 year old Nikki Warren senior, find out that you've lied to him about your age and what happens then. I think some of his fans found out because one of his friends was my friends' cousin or second cousin or something. So that's how he found out. So he did break up with me. Yeah, don't you? Yeah, yeah, he told me I was two years old. Yeah. But it didn't matter like, you know, so I didn't go to Barton's then for a few weeks, maybe about. So you were 18. For about six weeks. And then just went back one night and then he was there then. During that six weeks that I didn't go to Barton's, we started to go to the apartment. The apartment was in Abbey Street at that time. I remember Julian went to the apartment. She's your my sister, Julian. It's a couple years old with me, but I never, that wasn't the thing. I actually think that might have changed name to the furnace, I think might have been. I don't know. I don't know. But then after that then I just went back to Barton's and that was it done basically. Yeah. How did you know he was the one? I know you. Just wrapped you off your feet? Yeah, I suppose. He was very handsome and I suppose I knew a lot of other people found him as well. So that was. Was he was he a Mr. Popular? Oh yeah. Was he? He had his own dance partner in he was a great chiver. Well I wasn't. But anyway he had a Louis Gare called Mae Vemmes. I was who I haven't seen for a long time because he was but anyway Mae was with Nicky's chiven partner in Bartons and everybody just you know circle and everybody and they were good. Yeah, very good. And you obviously started going to see him in the band. Do you think that wanted to be a rock star or a pop star or was that his old to a go? Oh yeah, he loved him. He loved the music. Yeah. And well football as well like they were both as who was his singing idol? Who do they want to emulate or who do they look up to? We probably would love to be because I think I think he liked the role in the songs as well. But shall we sing everybody? You know people said to me like after we died you know God that song reminds me and Nicky for every song should I keep singing everything? So there wouldn't have been just one song you know the main it was. He's kind of God of everything wasn't he? You know we would. Well it's right it's hammed everything. Yes he would. Yeah. He had no problem like it's climb at the top of the roof for it. Yeah he'd do anything. Yeah. No fear. No. I remember as a kid he'd show me how to pick up spiders on the wall because obviously it was been afraid. And he's like no come over here now look put your hand out. He made me back. Yeah. He hold the spider. Yeah. No there was no fear of anything like you out of how nervous were you meeting his mom and that or whoever you met first? That actually happened the night that they won the cup because we were in in open hand and the bus the pubs used to go at 10 o'clock so when we could measure the pub it was still the summer's night like June and we probably wouldn't have made it into town to get the last bus so he brought me down to his house and to his mom and his aunt they were there. So it just happened. It happened very you know it wasn't arranged that I'm going off her seat that was just the way it happened. It was probably the best way for it to happen. And yeah yeah no they were. This was animal drive. This is Cabra. Was it much different than to what you knew when you were upbringing? Not really no I think people changed the look of the houses you know new windows doors that kind of thing but no it's still still lovely like it's a lovey spot and I'm still the same I think some of the still a lot of people there like not the people that were there but their families are still there it's not a minute so that always had an amazing outlook on life and I often wonder now the older I guess he was always pretty in that advice like you know if you were worried about something he'd be able to tell you know positive thoughts you know stay on top of your mental health he was he was ahead of that game well before mental health was even I think yeah you know the subject that is that it is today what did worrium do you think? Do you think there was nothing that ever because to me he was superman in nothing but him ever. No I don't think so and if there was something he'd never let you know he'd always say kind of tomorrow's another day at the big round to be grand like he'd never let you never if he was worried about something he'd certainly never want me to be worried so he'd always say big right should be grand tomorrow you know never never it just easy going plastic pleasant like so happy smiley always he always he always had that smile on his face you know and yeah what made him laugh what did he love what TV shows or stuff made him laugh through the years? oh he there was a thing he used to watch Rowan and Martin laugh him I can remember that just be on on the Sunday night after the football and it's both all that you know I don't know there's no comedy there was no public comedians at that point right there. Well there was comedians in the cabaret business that's why. Oh yeah like you know still fox yeah and all they have you know shankunners and yeah they were all great and and the race course came and but when you moved to Baldoa when you get married you moved to Baldoa before yourself and and Jillian and Adam come to town. That was the resident band in the race course in so my memory when I when I was obviously old enough to know was cabaret stars like Laurie Hertz or still fox you mentioned or harmony suite or all those people calling up the house wanting to speak to dad or try to you know get a gig or dad be ringing people or that was that was that was that was almost like a business he was running separately to you know like I would just say like a musical business he was running separate to be the painter and decorator during the day. Yeah he would have he booked all the gigs for the race course and played up most people's weddings 24th torch is 40 50th like then their babies christines grandchildren like he's a lot of people would would everybody would have photographs and video clips and you know was there weeks when he'd be gig in seven nights a week. Yeah it's absolutely maybe twice on Saturday twice on Sunday yeah yeah you often did a wedding as it's weddings or sometimes in the afternoon he'd play on the Saturday and then play that night that might not happen a lot but it just happened yeah and again I spoke with this publicly before that he'd come in covered in paint and take you know be have his hands in the sink watching them with torps or something to get the paint off and then they'd go upstairs and come back down and then they'd talk to you or something and he looked like he was hoaxed and tried to come down to the surface yeah yeah ready to go he's missed the showbiz yeah and he loved that would you agree absolutely yeah loved that should that that was him yeah yeah how did you then come to live in Baldoa so it was a story where you told me that we could have lived in thing lists at some point but it was between thing lists and Baldoa yeah no we we uh from before we got married we were registered with a co-op and they were built in houses on Kilbarik Road and it was 200 pounds to pass it and we had that paid but we weren't going up the ladder we were coming down the ladder so our name was getting lower down lower down and then we just got the hoaxed in Baldoa and went for that and that was 400 pounds to pass it and that was in 90 we got married in 73 and that was we moved in when did he propose you or how did he propose you didn't i didn't wasn't really a proposal I thought, you know, the way it would be. I'm having a swig of a card in college. You're not opening up now, Townsville? No, it wasn't. It was obviously very young. And I think when I was 16, he said, we'll get engaged to Christmas. And I would have been 17 then in the January. But it wasn't a proposal. It was just a foreground conclusion that that's where it was heading and that it was gone. And then he asked my dad, my mom knew. And he asked me dad, my dad was reading the paper. And he had it like that. In Kool-Ock. Yeah, in the wisdom. Which was Tangling Road. Yes. And he put the paper down and he said, what did you say? And he had to repeat it then the second time. So he said, and I was at it, this was Christmas. And I would have been 17 in the January. So he said, and along with this four. And you're dead. He said, maybe two year, two and a half years. He said, oh, that's okay, that's fine. And what did you think your dad meant for that? Well, it's probably because I was so young. Like, you know, how long are you going to be before you get married? Yeah. Yeah. So then-- Were you in the room? No. Were you in the other room? I was having a nose blade and a battery. Narrow. That's true. That's true. What, like, what did you run in and say? He said, yes. No, I think I came in then. And my dad kind of gave me the nod, like, that was okay. He approved. Did he like that? Ah, yeah. He said, he wouldn't. You know what I mean? No, no, they were all great. I mean, all my brothers and I was like, like, they were all great, you know. But, I mean, moved into Baldoil in '74. Did you have a choice of which house and sea range avenue or how did that work? Yeah, no, we had a choice when you went in to pay a deposit date with a plan and the shoulder. I wasn't there now. But you're not a big-- there is. He knew, like, which house was it? And it's a terrorist block of 6,000-- 6,000. So I'm wearing the middle. Yeah. Would you have ridered the corners or did you not want the corn but they were more expensive? Where the-- They were more expensive. Well, the corner house was four-batterned. So that was 600 passes. And it was just 400. Yeah. Good memories this week, right? Great memories. Right, so you get pregnant on Jillian. What was it like becoming a mom? Or where did you find that out? And how did that sit with everybody? Um, at the time I was working in-- I worked for Malone Island products. They were a subsidiary of Irish Al. I was a wageist clerk there. And I-- one of the girls I worked at was Barney. That she was-- she discovered she was pregnant as well. And her Vicki was born in May. And Jillian was born in April. And so I remember your daddy worked in the shallborn. So he collected me from the train in Rihini. And I told him I was pregnant. On the train? No, no. He was in the car. He had-- Oh, he said you were okay, sorry. Yeah, he picked me up at Rihini. And it was a Friday, Friday evening. And your Nana used to do fish and chips. You know, she was cooking them and I went in and I told her. And I was 10 weeks pregnant. And she said to me, no, don't tell anybody. Because she said that you can make it too long when you tell people too soon. And I said, okay. And with us, the next door neighbor, Jillian came in. And she said, quick, quick, tell Jillian. So I was 10 weeks, and I had Jillian in the womb. So yeah, that was-- So back then, dads didn't go in to the labor ward. So what did dad do and how long were you labor for? He dropped me in that morning at about half eight. It was a Monday morning, 5th of April, 76. And he dropped me in. And he had been told at the classes that if they weren't busy, they'd let the husbands stay. But if-- So he just left me in and did all the checkers. And then they told him to go home. Told him to go home. Oh, he didn't go home. Yeah. So that was half eight in the morning. And Jillian was in born, so 20 past seven that night. So he couldn't speak to you until-- No, no. Well, we wouldn't have had any mobile phones or anything at that time anyway. So does he keep bringing the hospital to check? Or-- Yeah. Is that how it works? Yeah. And then he said to your granddad, oh, no, the son-in-law didn't have to go over. So the two of them came over to the come and they went in. And the porter said to-- said, oh, she said the baby. And he told you that it's whoop. And he said to my dad, they liked the wife to tell them themselves. So Jillian was-- Yeah. So that was Jillian. So along, directly, you-- before you got to tell him, before she was born at X time, and what time did you tell him? She was born at 20 past seven. That was probably about 9 o'clock. Yeah. Probably about 9 o'clock. And did he head off her plank then? I did. I can't remember. But if you were you went home with your granddad back to Gola, and they probably went to the she for something. Yeah. Can't remember now. And how did you set up in the Angelian? Well, that was Jillian. So I worked with a girl and her sister had died in a fire. And her name was Jillian. And I always liked the name. So it just-- It's a bit more of a tough one. Right. So then Jillian's whole-- she two years old with me, two and a half years old with me. And then obviously, the main mind comes to town. Can you tell me? Can you tell me about finding out about me or my birth or what that thought that he wanted to boy? Did he care? No, we can be kind of said, Jillian, was a girl. Kind of knew ourselves. And then we kind of knew you were a boy. And then-- This is in the pregnancy, by the way. And then we went into the hospital then. And he was with me. Came in with me. Jillian was born in the womb. You were born in holostries. Why did we change? Because the doctor I had in the womb wasn't there anymore. Yeah, so it went to a different doctor in holostries. So anyway, they brought me in anyway. And your daddy was coming with me. He said, no, no, you say it's I should be back out here in a few minutes. But anyway, in the few minutes that they brought me into the-- I suppose labor wars, things moved very fast. Was that over you? No, yes, you were. You were you on the 16th September. You were born in the 9th of October. So it was between 21 and 23 days. And then you were just being born then. And the doctor said to me, oh, you're a husband. And I said, I think it's the nori. I said, I get your husband not leaving. I forgot. And I said, oh, leave him there. It's great. And then they just brought you in. And I think they had you in a pink robe because it didn't matter. Like they just-- I read it. They said to him, there was a few of the other dads. And they said, they have a few husbands. And he said, well, what do you think it is? So he said, he played it safe because he had a girl at home. So he just said, a girl. And they said, no, you're wrong. It's a boy. So that was that was that was it. But when you were born, the the doctor said, there you go. That child doesn't need to be washed. So that's the ongoing joke. I love everything. Because children and adults don't let me live this day off. Oh, yeah, he doesn't need to wash. So what did he mean? Whether I was just clean. Yes, right. Yeah, yeah. That's probably-- still have more sense. That's what those ones are. The name Nicholas, obviously dad's name. But what was his funny story? Or was it true that you weren't going to call me Nicholas? No, we had Adam picked. Adam, because that was my granddad's name. My dad's dad was Adam. And I just liked the name. There was very few Adams at the time. So that was kind of what we had picked. Not in Stonem. And then obviously then you were born about 10 o'clock in the morning, no 20 past 12, you were about 12 o'clockish. And over the pipe music was somewhere in my love. That was being played at the time. So he obviously went home then later on. Me having four sisters. And especially having the younger sisters, you know what you call him? What you call him? He said, Nicholas, what else? What you call him? After me. So they all came up that night with cards. Ivan, Nikki, and Baby, Nicholas. So that's how you got to-- You knew what he was doing. And then my dad was baronage. And your dad's dad was James. So that's where you got your three names. Did you not have it? I would have said, why are you telling them Nicholas? Because you don't really care then. It's just-- Well, I'm staring. I'm there behind you look until us in the pink blanket. See, look at the box and stand. So I'm ready. And you would let me box. Like if you had said a name, you wouldn't have liked. You would have challenged it, right? That probably would have. Yeah. OK. What did you do that night? You don't know. The night I was baron, did you do anything special? Who was mine, the Jillian? Jillian was in your nanos. She was in your nanos house, yeah. And then he stayed there for the few nights. Because back then, Jillian was baron on the Monday. And they didn't come home till the following Sunday. You were baron on a Monday. And I came home into Saturday. And then Adam was baron on this Saturday. And I came home to choose Jason. But your first baby, I was keeping it in the day. But they did at that time, you know, which is. - So, we keep on then, I'm a little bit all on playing football, all the rest. And when I broke me elbow, on their 50, and I think playing for our train for our limit of gaming is chilly the next day. And then I needed to have an operation. Do you remember of myself and yourself crying? - Yeah. - 'Cause I was gonna miss the European championship 'cause I was under 16. - Yeah, remember, you went to the hospital and they said, "Your arm was swelled inside." And they just have to go back in a week. Not they said, "Your arm was swelled." And they just have to go back in a week. And then you came back to your nanos and I rang Dr. Jennings, and I said, "But they said his arm was swelled, but it's not swelled." And he said, "No, but it's swelled inside." So they have to wait. So they couldn't see on the next ray, exactly what was wrong. And then you went back to follow and wait there. And you got the operation done. I know that was on the Friday, I think, with Thursday Friday and on the Saturday morning you went up to see the last. They were all gone, which is some tournament, huh? - Yeah, they played chili, that night, open the UCD. They won the game for it. That went up towards you. I was supposed to start like him. - Yeah, and couldn't know. - And then he came home and you were in the sit-in from crying and I went in and I sat and I cried, which. (laughing) - At that point I'd gone on trial with Leeds a month before or two months before or something. And I'd have to be counting and so forth. - You were only back from Derby came to that morning. - That's right, it was at the morning. - That you broke your elbow. - Was it that morning, yeah? - Yeah, you only came in that morning and your daddy went up and collected you. Came back to your nan and she had some teeth. Then he brought you up to the AOL, you were training. - He was very annoyed at rugby elbow. Not at me, just in the club. 'Cause he drove me from the AOL to ballroom and every bump on the roads that we hiss are like left to the pain. And he was very. I think he was worried for me. - Yeah. - But he wouldn't let that let on them. - Yeah. - Because again Leeds had asked me to sign so now all of a sudden I think nobody talked about it but everybody was worried that this was gonna be a problem. - Yeah. - And then he needed to put two pins in my arm. So when I was going under the knife then, a week later, Raymore and operators. - Yeah. - Were you worried for me? - Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah. - Stereota, when you woke up and. - I remember, you weren't for a few days, I think. - I remember. - I remember the nurse coming around and she had like a nitten needle toy thing and she was poking, like she poking my tooth. - Oh yeah, she failed that. - And I said, "Yeah, can you feel that?" And she went down and the fine two finger, the finger, the finger beside on this hand, I couldn't feel them. This was only maybe 10 or so, or so early. And she kept prodding them. Can you feel that? And I was like, "No, you were at the side of my bed." And she was like, "Ah, you can't, you can't feel it. You wanted me to feel it." Most of what I can't. And obviously the nurse wasn't punished. She's not worried, you'll come back and it didn't. But yeah, 'cause I'm like, now that I'm a parent, - Yeah. - You'd worry, you can't even describe the worry that you must be feeling. - Yeah. - You nearly wanted it to be you and not them. You know what I mean, if you could take it, you would. You know what I mean, that's just. - Was he excited when I was gone to laser? Were you excited? - Well obviously, I didn't really want you to go because you were in fifth year. You only had to know the year to go to your leave. And he thought it was a great opportunity. And you know. - Did you suffer private conversations? - I am sure we did, yeah. - But like where you'd go, I know he can't. He's still your. - Yeah, I mean, no, we did. But he thought it was being missed up a journey. He liked probably by the genaco, you know? And then you promised me, you said, if it doesn't work out, I would come home and go back to school and you did, you know? - There's two days I want to ask you, one is when I went to laser that morning before I do that, I just remembered my first day of school. What's your memory of my very first day of school, like as in start and primary school? - Yeah, the first day of school we had our dinner. It was the night before and I know the rosette she lay with on. And you had to be back, and all day we were going to. I said, you can go out and play for half an hour while I'm cleaning up after the dinner. And the next thing's knock, knock, knock at the door. You had been knocked down. And to a young lad on a push bike, on a knock-chydown. And we ended up, you had to get an ambulance, you had to get, you got to just, you have our head. And they said, you weren't going to go to school for a week because you had to go back to get the stitches out. So because Jillian was going to school, I said, well, look, I'll bring you, I'll dress them up and I'll bring them down. So I brought into your classroom and a metro teacher, her name is Miss Hanan. And I think that might have been her first teacher as well. And she introduced herself and she said, now she brought you over and she said, now this is said, there's two kids and she said, this is Colum and Sean. And she said, I'm going to put you in between this. And she said, you just have to keep that seat for when it comes back. And that was Sean. - Skin and cuss. - Yeah, cuss. - That's where it started. - And you're still. - And you didn't know what you would build in there. (laughing) - So that was the first. - And it's funny how people have memories of it because there's some lives up in that primary class that I've met over the years who always say to me, you came after about a year, didn't you? You started in, oh yeah. And then, oh baby, he's like whatever, senior infants. I was like no. And then, all the years that I realized that their memory of the first day was me or not being there or starting late or the COVID-19. But the moment, that was chaos. I remember, and what was it for? Five, five. - I remember being held in someone's arms with blood pouring on my head. But the house seemed chaotic. It seemed like there was loads of people in the house waiting for the ambulance. - Yeah, it took a bit. Yeah, probably neighbors came out. - Yeah. - Was that there? - Yeah, he was there. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Should we, he followed into Temple Street. Yeah. Yeah, probably it was, I probably maybe a Monday Tuesday night. Yeah. - Miles. - Yeah. - Right, so on going to Leeds, and that morning was awful. I remember crying on the night before, and that's it, not me bad. Do you remember how you felt the night when I was gone to Leeds? - I remember being, yeah, being upset, of course, yeah. And then we dropped to FGD Airport very, very early, wasn't it? I think to June was very, very, yeah. And then I remember I went to Northside to get shopping in the afternoon, and then I came home. And Nick's own neighbor, Mary O'Neal, came out and she said to me, we called you Nicholas at that time. Nicholas is after being on the phone, and he said you should call him back. So you rang from the digs and, yeah. - I rang the house over and over and over, no answer. And then Georgina wasn't in. Then I rang Nana, and Nana always answered, and she wasn't in. And then I rang Mary O'Neal the next one. And I don't think I've ever rang Mary O'Neal in my life. But she was the only person I thought of, consuming her can adore and wait the whole thing. - Then I rang the first thing he said, "Where are you? I think you thought I should've been in the house, like wait on you to. " - Well, I think I thought, is this what it's gonna be like if I ever need somebody, you just can't get it. - Yeah, there's no more walls, you know, which was a scary thing. Like when I look back on that, you think you can take on the world. - But 16 is very young to go, isn't it? - Yeah, very, very young, too young, lady. Just not happen now, but, but I always set the table for the five of us. - When I wasn't there? - I always set the table, because I always said, well, maybe, it's just habit, maybe, it's a price. - Maybe they're walking the door. - Yeah, I think you did once or twice, yeah. - I'll be there to do it. - Was it true, I don't know if Adam told me and we'll get to Adam being born 'cause he was 11 years old. - Yeah. - Was it true that you used to smell my clothes in the wardrobe? - Yeah, you just went to your wardrobe and opened the thing. And I can't remember what, what did you wear at that time? I call it perfume, go to the water. - Cool water, yeah. Loving smell, yeah. No, that's true, yeah. That's the thing. - It's hard to look at. Like I was dead. - Yeah. I think I kind of had to pretend that that's what it was in my own hands, like that you weren't there anymore, you know? It's a funny one, you know? - Did you ever, that flew over a couple times? Did you ever come to Lisa simply? - Yeah. - I don't remember the games, do you remember the games? - Yeah, Adam was on your, yeah, that's right. 'Cause Adam, we get to Adam now. Adam, you told me, I remember laughing at me, I saw it at the time. I think that one of you and Adam's, maybe that was first time on a plane, but maybe his first time where he knew what was happening and he was on a plane. And he's got to both the clothes and he wanted to know where the caribouers were. (laughing) 'Cause the caribouers lived open the clothes. Yeah, Adam still lives in the clothes and that's his 30s haul. And so Adam comes to tell Adam when I, or when I was 11. You know how, I was in that was for me, as an 11 year old. - Well, it wasn't byerson for me too. (laughing) At 14 year old and nearly 12 year old. Yeah, and it was funny because I thought, like 22 when Jillian was born, 24 when you were born and then like 36, that's Adam's birthday today. Happy birthday. - Happy birthday. - I'm the Adamist. - I mean, I'm the Adamist. - Go through the wide, look, go through the wide camera. Go to the gets the Adamist, Adam. - Adamist the age today that I was when he was born, 36. So I thought, like, God, I'm going to be really old, you know, going to the hospital and, you know, and like, all those years later, the moms in the hospital and with me, we're all kind of, 30, 31, so I wasn't, I'd have 14, you're old and 12, you're old nearly, you know? So, yeah, so. Yeah, Adam, I remember it was the 90, it was born in March 90, and Ireland's famous World Cup in 1990 was that June. And we were all in the race cars for the England game and for the Egypt game and then remaining on penalties. And you had them in a little green boy, Italian 90. - Yeah. - Still have that little tractor. - Do you? - Yeah. - Lucy. - Yeah, Lucy. - Lucy bought that for him. - A neighbor. - A neighbor, yeah. - So yeah, so that was, they were good times, C-Granjou Go community. And obviously, you know, Adam works in Dance of the Stars, Senior Producer, it's fun to sleep in the background here. (laughing) So what was it like, Mom, then, to raise three kids, where, you know, was being a mom something you always wanted? - Always, like I always, I played a lot with dolls when I was young. I always had a dolls' pram and I'd have one doll in the pram under the hood and I had a little plank of wood on the end, like a baby seat, and I'd have another doll. No, I always, I always, don't know where you all came from, but anyway, I probably always wanted to, yeah, I did want to, I was. - People mentioned to me about not liking to lose. Was I like that as a kid? - Yeah, you were very competitive. Very competitive. But I think the trivia are very competitive. I would have been very competitive. And I think your daddy was as well, but he just had a different kind of manner that went with it, maybe, if this. - Was I grumpy? - Yeah, yeah. I think he's still a lot of the grumpy. - Can be, yeah. - I think you're all our grumpy. I think I'm the only one that's not. I think there's a bit of your daddy now in me. I think I'm the Nikki. You know? - Was he a little, she's? - I don't know. No, no, no. No, never. Never. None of you were. No, and you were all very good, really. Like I couldn't. Only about I would have expected this to be. No. - I never really did against it much trouble in school. - No, never got in trouble at all in primary school. You did one since I came to school, but that was just, that was just one of those things. - That was just one of those things. - With those things. - But that was, I knew only about two weeks in the school. - Was it now? Was it that soon? - Yeah, about two or three weeks. - I never wanted to suspend me, but we got around that. We got around that. And, right, I want to go to a quiz, but before I get to the quiz, right? Because then it went, rappel so. Westlife. When Westlife comes, no, actually before Westlife, when I get let go from leads, do you remember finding out, did I, was there a series of conversations where I was saying to you, I don't think I'm gonna get another contract? Or was it like I was called in today? And then how did you feel and how did that feel? - Obviously, we were devastated. Like your daddy was, and I said he was. Like you had really gone so well. But I think you kind of knew yourself. I think you, you kind of knew yourself that it was common, I think. That'd be right and said. - Yeah, yeah. - And then a team after January that time. - Yeah, and then you did go to, did you go somewhere else for a trial, but you were in Cane, you came? - Skarber and Cane Bridge. - And then you were in the Irish team at that time. So that kind of kept you going for a while. - And then one care dropped me out of that on the right team. - That hated him for it. Do you remember that? - Have you allowed to say that? (laughing) I've told Brian Care, don't worry. - Yeah, I know. - I know. Didn't somebody ask me to ask for an autograph for something? - Yeah, I think so. - So Brian Care I can't see us in Westlake in the Faroe Islands. He was managing the Faroe Islands. When Westlake were doing that, we flew in and we did the stadium in the Faroe Islands. Which isn't a very big, it's probably about 15, 20,000 people. And before the gig, our security came open, I said, "Does it feel like I'm Brian Care?" I said, "So, I'd like to say hello." You know, I was, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, "I've pretty much got so many Brian comes in." And he was coming to the show. And I said, "Look, we're staying back after the show "we're not flying 'til tomorrow." I said, "We're gonna go out for dinner "in a few drinks if you wanna join us." 'Cause he would have been very little Irish over there and he's obviously managing their national team. So we came out to have dinner with us on the show afterwards. So after a couple of beers, I said, "I'm see you, boy, do I?" You dropped me out of the second leg of the playoff against Norway with our 18s. And I said, "Me dad never forget before." And dad was still a lovita boy. And he went, you know, typical Brian and his accent was like, "Ah, yeah, but look at Janelle, "didn't you, they're walking great, didn't you?" (laughing) Well, yeah, so every time I see him now, I say, "You ruined my football career, Brian, "it was all down to you." They were all great times. So I was like, "We had, you know, "with great celebrations "and of course, home for our mild years." - He got on the belt, he went on the 12th and-- - Jimmy Hart, I mean, who could not Jimmy Hart look at him? - I like what he did for-- - He dropped me a few times. And there's a few, what a player. - He was a great manager. He was a, he loved all the kids. Like he was really a good manager, you know? Put your all in your place. He was, he was hard because he was a young guy, very young at the time, but he was good. Like I think he was very disciplined on. - Well, you know, it was a discipline as well. Like he won everything as he was, 'cause it used to him, you know, you know, too. As opposed, nowadays, that probably our en-fist doesn't really, really, so for non-fist, really, work anymore probably. And, right, so when Westlake, when I'm now come home and play League of Ireland, and I'm back, the only lady in the set, I never play for the cops. - Right. - And Julian did the aptitude test. - You both did the same day. - You both did the same day, yeah. - Talent National Basketball, yeah. How proud, if that's the right word, where you, of us, be, potentially becoming a member of a guy at the shake-up. - Oh, absolutely, delight us. Absolutely delight us. But I always had a gruff of the guys. - Oh, of us, yeah. - Even though football was the thing, but I always had that. - Yeah. And then Julian had, during her transition year, she went to Tempelmore and with Nick Tofi. - And we got into him. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. And Nick was very good, yeah. And, yeah, but then, when Julian got it, then she had started working already. She was, she had kind of, she was a bit established at that time, had her car and so. And why didn't she, do you think, go for the cops in the air? Why didn't she follow through? - When she was working with Ryan Ehrin, she had, she was on good money. She was after buying a car. So I suppose it would have, I think, for Tempelmore at that time, it's about 80 pounds a week. Now, I have that bit wrong. - This is 1997. - But. - Seven, eight, 97. - Yeah, I think it was around that, like for training. - Yeah. - And so she, so that's why she didn't take it up. Do you still have the letter from, what does it say from the Department of Justice? - Yeah, yeah, it's a big long, yeah. Yeah, no, I still have to my tongue, yeah. - I'd love to see that, 'cause it's about, come into for a medical and then starting in Tempelmore the train. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I wonder if I can still do it. They raised the age now. - Yeah, but you can, today, you can go into the reserves as well. - Yeah, but you wouldn't want to, I don't like being in reserve, but I ain't doing it. (laughing) That's, that's really the main man. Do you remember I dressed up as the guard? (laughing) I said, probably she's at the house. - Yeah. - It's not on YouTube for anybody wants to watch. - Adam was in school and he was on his way home from school or something and he saw the guards in the race cars in the shopping center. He came in and he said, "This is how low the guards and I said, "I probably need to post it off." It was held up. - He said, "This is how blasé I am, Baldoin, that's probably the best office, which is held up there." (laughing) - So then, happened then, I think, I think we saw the police at the door and I said, your dad went to open it and I said, "No, open it." I said, "But I'll do the talk." Don't say anything, I'll do the talk. I'm down. I don't know how we didn't cope with you because Adam came out with us, but he cops. - There he out. - There he is. - It's funny, I was telling people to slow down walk and then, - I know, they were in the water. - On the, on the, on the, - But your daddy like, - There, look, I'm the Harry, I call him down the road with the blue lights. When you think about it, everyone in secret, it tells me pulling outside the house with blue lights flashing. - Yeah, I'm excited. - Yeah, I'm excited. - Yeah, I'm excited. (laughing) She must have got worried now when I'm walking. That's like the cigarette. What's your abiding memory of that, Neymar? (laughing) - I'm still laughing. - I laughed and I, so much so we actually went to the race course that night for a few drinks and the neighbors and I came with us, we had a lot. - And they see the car on the road. - Yeah, but they didn't know, like, I think they knew when the police were gone. They didn't know what it was all about, you know. But I laughed and laughed and I was sure, I mean, it was all funny. Your daddy's reaction, he was just ghosted. - Like, ghost couldn't believe that he got caught out, you know? Yeah. - Yeah. - And all the things he said, I know we get fee, I think. - I know, I was saying, can I get tickets to the show and quote part? Oh no, no, there's none left. But how are you going? - I know, we get the VOP tickets. (laughing) - You said, can I see his room? - Yeah. - And I said, - I saw you. - And I said, "It's not his room anymore, it's not his room, like, he couldn't let you do that, you know?" - I could see you getting more uncomfortable when I was in, I let me see it, let me stand in. - Well, just like how we didn't, I don't, like, I should have known your teeth. - If not the notes, I should have recognized your teeth. - For any of the only anyone anonymous was ever there be a guy again, he had the guy to press up. (laughing) - Yeah, stopped, stopped that. - When we were kid, when Adam was born, there's a moment where I always tell people, so I was basic, baby sitting on weekends effectively, 'cause I was in school a lot of Monday, I was probably 11, 12, 13. And then the race course was held up. - Yeah. - Son day nights. And I was ringing, he didn't know this, of course, and there was no mobile, so I was ringing news at the race course, thinking, might run at one, and then he's still in Gamama, ran at two, gone, was everything okay? You know, I know you stay back for drinks one times, but I'm in school, seven hours, what's going on? And you, a dad, a dad kept saying, "You wanna work grand, work grand, "we're just finished something, "we're coming down the episode course." Chaos hadn't sued, and he's all at the stay back to give statements and so on. What's your memory of that, mate? - That was horrific. That was, yeah, that was horrific, taking me into the two guys came in, like guns, and they had to put you all on the ground. - That was all on the ground, brought us in, to the, it threw the back into the green nounches, it was called at the time, and we all had to lie down. And he had the, you know, the guns were the bangers on the top, and he just said that, "Oh, the glasses, on the ground." And told us to lie down, you know? But you see, the race course, it's like a maze, 'cause there's that much inside, you know, there were different rooms connected, you know? - Yeah, yeah. - And Gilliam was a lounge guard, she was more. - Gilliam was a lounge guard, yeah. Yeah, yeah, they told Hort to, yeah. To keep moving, and then they'd say stop, and you know, I think she said, "Have I to go?" Or have I just say, "Yeah, no, that was, that was, that was frightened." But, yeah, no, I walked, then I don't think they got any money or anything, I think it just happened, it was over as quick as I was. - Things are a chase, 'cause I remember speaking the guy that McDowell Feebeldy was telling us - Oh, yeah, no, it makes me go up to him. - Yeah, yeah. - Right, book at least, my, what's on your book at least, still to do, do you think? Is there anything, as you sit here and there, you go, "You know, I never did that, and I'd love to do that, "and I wonder, will one day, I'll ever get to do that." - I know you and that always wanted to go on a cruise, that didn't happen. - Well, I did a cruise, but it's always him. - No, yeah, well, still like to go on cruise, but I don't know, really, I'm just happy to, to play down, and user, I'll write the kids, I'll write the grandchild. - Tell them happiness. Right, quiz time, mam, you ready? - Don't make that face, it's harmless. I'm gonna ask you some questions, quick for a round, and you just gotta give it the first answer that comes into your head, okay? Ready, it's about the tree of us, not about you. - Okay. - So let me, Jillian, not him. So it's easy, I think. Which child was born first? - Jillian. - Yeah, which child slept the least as a baby? - I did Jillian. - Jillian, okay. Which child was the fussyest ease, or growing up? - Adam. - What the hell, what a douche. What's the ease love, no, those chocolate squares and milk? - Your flakes, flakes of milk and milk. - No, the magic start. - Magic start. - Magic start. - Today still exist? - Yeah. - It's his birthday today, we never got a magic start. Which child took the longest to get ready for school? - I tell you we're all about the same. I could have been you, took you in your hair. - Did you remember the Jillian? - The Jillian. - This was off the screen, toberjell, and I used to, I have a real issue with the side of my head, that's why I keep it so tight. And I used to, yeah, the Jillian. - Yeah, the back, anyway. - And you used to say to me, it's like, it's not in your hair. - That's it. I think one of the teachers said it's me one day, one of the-- - Does he put snouts in his hair? - The Jillian is hair. - He's laughing like, you know. - There is a picture of me online, somewhere in Miss Kiel uniform with like a real gel, on a spiky, kind of look. You never wanted me to get an air ring. And then I got an air ring, and you didn't talk to me. - I didn't talk to you, but I thought we'd love it. (laughing) - You liked that new one, don't you? - I pretend that I didn't know, so I think for a while. - Okay, which child asked the most questions? - Probably you, see? - Really? - I'd say so, yeah. - Which child was the messiest bedroom? - Had the messiest bedroom. It didn't really matter, 'cause you just cleaned up to within an inch of its life. - No, they were all the same, and that looked-- - Which child loved cuddles the most when they were small? - I think you were quite cuddly and lovable as babies, yeah. No, I think. - Which child was the most stubborn? - Probably you, would say. Which child-- - And maybe Adam tried and behind you. - And the close, or close. Which child was the most trouble at school? - Ah, none of you. None of you, no, none of you. - But if you had the big one. - Only you, that guy. - Well, that's nice. Which child was the earliest riser? - I tell you, it would probably be the best I can't know fairly. Yeah, yeah. - I'll talk about it. - Which child-- - But you used to eat your cereal with your eyes closed. (laughs) - Which child would mom trust most to organize a family event? - I don't think I could pick one of you, 'cause I think you're all quite organized people, like I think you're all-- - You're not a good job? - I think so, yeah. - You trust his lover? - I do. - And which child was the biggest chatterbox? - I'll take Julia. - Which child is most like you? - Would you tell me that? - Personality? Probably me. - Yeah? - Well, there's the worry side of it. I don't think Julia or Adam does the worry. Like I do. - Yeah. - Or maybe they do, but they just don't. - Maybe they show someone. - They show someone. - Yeah. - Which child is most like dad? - I don't think you're all of trades of them. I think this-- I think he taught-- - I think it's Julia. - He taught a lot from them, yeah. - The laid back kind of-- - More laid back, yeah. - Would you, yeah? - Which child would survive best on a desert island? - I don't know. Maybe Adam, huh? - Okay. - Which child is most likely to make mom proud in the future? - All of them. - Yeah, it's have to be all true. It couldn't be more proud. - With that. Which child is mom's secret favorite? - I don't think I have any. I think you're all-- No, you're all very different. You're all like, think you're the favorite. - Wait, there. - Put you're all different. You're all the favorite in different ways. That's-- (laughs) - Which child was-- had the worst teenage attitude. You know those years where they start to be a bit-- - I tell you, Adam, I think that's more of a boy named Danny Girl, thank you. - Reckon-- yeah. - Yeah. - We'll give it to Adam, so-- (laughs) Which child caused the most arguments in the house? - You can be all arguments just in your-- in your-- - Yeah, all of that. - That trait, which child was the most expensive to raise? - I don't, I think it's all got-- when you were always at your-- had to have the best football gloves and the best football boots and the track seats, but-- - Hang on, the Jeannie got a rarer's dancing costumes and our palms and our hard shoes and their-- this and the others, so-- - I'm just getting out of that to play, don't play me. (laughs) Who's the biggest-- who's the biggest hell-tale toddler when they were younger? - None of you were really. - No. - You kept a good secret. - Yeah. - Which child made mom laugh the most growing up? - I don't know. - All of you. - Which child gave mom the most gray hairs? - I never had gray hair. (laughs) - All right, last one, mom. I ask everybody to put a boy band together, which means I need five names, living our dead of anybody in the world, right? And then I'm gonna ask you who the captain is of this group and who is the leader of the group. So they can be boy band or a girl band or mixed group. That's entirely up to you and they can be living our dead. And they don't have to be singers. They can be footballers, they can be anybody. - Anybody look. - Okay. And I left with your daddy in there, aren't I? - Okay, so that's him. - That's him. And then I'll have George Best. - Okay. - David Jones. - Are you basing some people you fancy? - No. - Yeah, David Jones. - David Jones Monkeys. - Oh, sorry, yeah. - Okay. - And then of course, you couldn't forget Larry Mullins. - From you two? - Yeah. - Okay. - Many have I got there now. - For if dad, George Best, David Jones, Larry Mullins. - I put a Yoshe in there. - A Yoshe? - Yeah. (laughs) - He's gonna love that. (laughs) - A Yoshe. Okay, look. Now if one of these people, who's the captain of this group? Where's the arm band? Tells the lads what to do, when to do it. Give them a little G up when they need it. - It has to be neck-heavetons. - Dad's a captain. - Yeah. - Okay. And then, if one of these people decided to fake off, who do you think is leaving first? Who's thrown in the towel? Dad, George Best, David Jones, Larry Mullins. - Dad. - Oh, it has to be George Best, wouldn't it? - George. - If you have in a few scoops. George Best, it's gone. I can't believe he asked me, no mother for her ultimate boy band of all time, she didn't even pick me. - Well, I didn't think it'd want me to pick you. - Okay, last few questions, Mom. If you could live one moment again in your life, anything in the world, one moment or one day, what would it be? - Anything. Probably, probably we go back to the, the Monday when your daddy came in from work with a pain in the stomach and you didn't go to the doctor. I probably would have, if I had that all back now, because he would have had a chance of a quadrubo bypass if he had gone to the doctor that night. So that would probably be the, yeah. Maybe he would have got that chance. Could we hear today? - You said if you could go back that day, what do you remember about that day and that morning or the day before? - That day, your daddy rang me every day, at lunchtime, but it was someone there, there, but he was, doing a large amount to the EBS, and I had given him the check and I said, "Nikki just go in and he rang me and we were having a chat." And he was fine at that time and he was going to, he was not going to work early, he was going to play pitch and puff. And then he came home then at about five, everything was ground. He just, no indigestion, no, they just kept belching. And he had, but the pain was down in the stomach like it wasn't up here. It was down in the end of the stomach. And he came in and he didn't eat his dinner. And I was going out that evening and he said he was going to play snooker. And I asked him, I said, "Would you not go to the doctor?" To be somebody at that time, you know, he didn't really need an apartment. I said, "Should be somebody in the surgery?" "Dr. James might be somebody there." He said, "I don't know, no, no, I'll be grand, I'll be grand." I go and play. The snooker was very important because they had a little tournament every month and night. And to him, Padioneel and a couple of the others. So anyway, he went off and I came home. I was in the credit union. I volunteered in the credit union on the month and night. And I came home at half-nine and I said to Adam, "You're Daddy Ghan?" He said, "I was okay." He said, "Yeah, he was fine." And then he came in down about 10 past 12. And she, big smile on his face, he said, "I'm grand, I'm grand." He said, "Lil in the pub." She was the bar manager in the pub, Lil Ward. And she said, "She gave me a double brand." No, Christie shared, gave me a double brand, bought me a double brand, and he important said, "That was at your stomach." And we know he never drank shorts here when he drank point of gain. And he said, "No, feel great." And then he got up and cheesed the morning. Did he think he did or did he think he was. No, he said, "No, he said he was okay." He seemed a lot better at 12 o'clock than he did at 5 o'clock when he came in from work. And then he got up the next morning. Jerry Ryan started at 10 o'clock. And he went off to work. He went in late because he could do flexi time. And then I rang my 25 past 11. Couldn't get him. Ranging a few times. Very unusual that he wouldn't call you back. He thought maybe he was there for a smoke. And then you rang a 20 past 12. And you were going to London. And you said, "We had a little chat." And you said, "I can't get out." And I said, "I couldn't get me there." And you said, "What time is that?" And I said, "A bit an hour ago." And you said, "That's strange." He said, "Right, look, I'll go. I'll ring you when I land. You are going to London." And then you rang a column in Australia. Columns brought in Neil, worked with you there. And you got the number from him. And you rang. And Neil said, "Yeah, I saw him a few minutes ago or an hour ago, whatever." And you went up and then he was gone. They got the paramedics and they were the whole day. They worked on him. When did you know officially now? But when did you think this isn't good? It must be a problem here. I think I knew straight away. I think I did. Because you tried your best to find out before we went to the hospital. And you were getting any answers from anybody either. I think you rang the hospital as well, didn't you? Yeah, I was always coming in. But when you couldn't get him earlier that morning, did you. I mean, obviously, I have a worry. But did you have more than a worry ago? Did you see how to play in the night before? Were you putting two and two together at that point? Yes, of course, yeah, I did. But I didn't think. I wasn't thinking that bad. I just thought it was very strange that he didn't call me back. I never think that it was more of. You rang then that I started to worry. I thought maybe he was just. You know, just nearest phone or whatever, you know. And he was 60, when you were only 55. Yeah. Like, I'm 47 now, 14th this year. Like, I'm not far off the age. Yeah, you were. That's a long time, I suppose. It's a young age, but it's a long time ago now. And all the years that's gone. 17 this year? 17. Have you had. I don't know, you're obviously very religious. Have you had anything where you'd go? No, that's a sign. That's. you know, is there anything that's ever happened? Like, so the morning he passed away, that you just described. Myself and Jorina were talking in the kitchen, and I was better going to London. I don't know if it's all this, I'm sure. And there was a bouquet of flowers on the mantle, on air mantle piece, that had been given to us a week before, at least a week before. That were actually kind of dying at that feeling, that happened to be replaced, so I thrown a note over it. And just after you called me and said, "I can't get that," I said, "F and Jorina were talking." I don't even know if it was about that, and we were about to leave. And the bouquet of flowers fell off the fireplace. And they'd been standing there for at least a week. And there was nobody near them. One of us broke past, I think. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if you believe these things or not, but I didn't know that at the time. It's only when you look back and you go, "Mom, call me," and then I was now trying to call dad. And what did those flowers for, a lot of fireworks? So I don't know if you believe all that, but have you ever had anything like that? Yeah, I suppose. Well, yeah, I was looking for the little robins as well, and that kind of thing. Yeah, you would say, like, the life flicker, that's sneaky or that's sneaky doing that. You know. Did you think you missed out on what he did, didn't he? Oh, was he certainly, yes, he did, of course. And then, like, Adam was so young. I mean, Adam had only gone into second year of in college. So, like, Adam didn't have all the years that you and Gillian had him, you know. So, that's the regret, but there's always the Saturday night before he died. We were in your house here at the Halloween party. And so, like, we were all together that night, so he had. That night he was put, you know, pointless. That's the last night. Look at Adam, you had to go fill it up. No, not bad, or. Not bad, but obviously, there was something coming that we didn't just didn't say, like. I didn't, it was never sick. Never, you know. Smoking, that was the. The load to cigarettes. You convinced that that was the smoke, too? Oh, yeah, absolutely. He missed out on G's birth. He missed out on Lexi, he missed out on. a Bobby. He briefly met Rocco and Jay for a year and a half, and then I've seen Zack as well for a year. Yeah. Or a little bit more. What do you think he'd be like now as a. Oh, he's 30 years old with me, so he'd be 77. What do you think he'd be like? Do you think he'd be full of energy? I don't think. Yeah, I think he would have always had that spirit in him, you know. He would have enjoyed the kids, the football, all that, you know. And I'd have to laugh a lot, and I'd laugh at that, you know. So there are little things that I'd get upset about, you know. Like, all the stuff that he. But look, he's out. He's all done and proud, I'm sure he's looking down. He has, we do something, looking down at him. That's a great memory, just to be honest. That's life when they sang. The dad sang that night from. On the West Lakes show. Three of those, obviously, Kevin and. And Patherer, not round anymore. But not pop up on Facebook. Oh, yeah, it's brilliant. And everybody sends it to me. It's a really good memory to have. But there is one thing that I always said. He always did the Christmas tree. And I think the three of you take after him for the Christmas tree. Like, look at the Christmas tree. Look at yours. Might as well be Nicky that was after Jonah and that went me on. Adam of course does it now. The only thing I'm missing for now is a dog that I'm going to be showing my decorating for him. Hell, the paint. Does any paint is this? But even my sisters would tell you that, like, when they. A lot of them do their own decorating. Nicky was with me all the way down that wallpaper. Nicky was with me all the way down that paint and so on. Like, he. Yeah. Do you firmly believe he's looking down? Ah, yeah. I'd like to think that I will say in one day that there is something there. And everybody else that's going to be for me too. Was the first thing you'd say to him? Am I. Am I. He's not. That's not nice. I believe in me, I'm your own audience. Oh, brilliant. I suppose it's. You have to keep that faith. You have to keep that kind of positivity to the power too. No, anytime soon, obviously, but one day. That's all. We're all going. None of us are getting out of this alone, my man. This is us. Yeah. But listen, good to talk and I'm glad you covered that and you didn't cry. No, you didn't cry. Yes, we're going to pull a point again in his memory. Ladies and gentlemen, my man, we've all gone for it! Thank you.