Yung Joc on Love & Hip Hop, Going Viral and Building a Career That Lasts

And say what's happening man, this tip hairs holds the expeditiously. Then you know you can watch on Spotify and Spotify Premium, get what? Users getting no commercials on my show. So pull up, check on site. This is expeditiously, I am til T.I. have. Now, the follow-up and experience is not a chance. The conversations and stories expressed on this podcast are meant to be an expression of purpose and truth. This show, properly entitled "Expeditiously" is a free exchange of ideas and opinions, no judgment, no preconceived beliefs, no fear. You're encouraged to share your thoughts and ask any question as long as it's done with respect. And that's through true love and respect for others that we would change the world and speak truth to power once you're at a time. Now, without further ado, this is expeditiously. I'm til T.I. have. Hey, say what's happening man, I'm til parents. Your host here expeditiously. Now today's guest is a special one. We are joined by a man whose journey has spanned music, television and radio, a true Atlanta original. It all started 20 years ago with his debut album, New Jock City, featuring the iconic hit It's Going Down. The record didn't just make waves and hip-hop, it announced the arrival of a voice that was authentic, bold, and unmistakably Southern. But the story of this man goes far beyond the studio. Over the years, he's opened up his life to fans through love and hip-hop. Atlanta shown both the struggles and triumphs behind the spotlight. He's also taking his charisma to the airways, becoming a radio host whose connected with listeners and a way only someone with his experience and perspectives can. But beyond the fame, there's a man behind it all, a father of nine, a storyteller, a businessman, an inspiration to millions and someone who has learned from life's highs and lows while staying true to his roots of the South Side of ATL. Please welcome to the show, "My Punna Young Jock." What's happening, man? - What's up, man? - What's up, man? - Good, man. - Hey, man, thank you for coming to the show. - Man, thank you for having me, sir. - Man, it's high pleasure, man. We always want to celebrate legends. You did? - Yes, I did. - Now, you grew up in the A-book, but like, exactly well. - Like, so early on my mom stayed on Northwest Drive, which is right down by 80 Williams, which is a part of the Born Home. My grandma stayed right down the street for now, 14, 15 Northwest Drive. You know what I'm saying? Close to the Bolton Roadside. - Okay. - So, you know, I was in the hood right down. You know what I mean, and he was in the thick of it. - Yeah, and so, you know, standing trouble, whenever I got in trouble, I had to get, when I would get kicked out, or my mom would just feel like my behavior was unbearable. And she seemed to be my dead. - Okay. - That's Cahley Park. - That's what I'm saying. So, that's why I was back and forth. West Side, South Side, West Side, South Side, my whole life. So, that's why I ended up in three elementary schools, three middle schools, and three high schools. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah. - Well, so, I've heard a lot of connection to the South Side. - Yeah. - Is that because you spent like, you know, your teenage years at the home, don't say in my whole life? So, like, again, whenever I got in trouble, my mom like, you take your ass out there with your dead. - That seemed to have been off then. - It was off then. - Okay. - Well, you know what, man, if people don't even believe me. - But you don't seem like the kind of guy that got to get in trouble a lot. - I win, 'cause let me tell you something too. I made straight-ass, right? And so, I get, I'll be friends with my work fast and anybody, right? So, know what that lead me to do. I ain't no teacher, when the teacher pit. So, I went under the teacher. I went brown, those, right. I'm talking to them, I'm talking to the cats who in the room, who ever did. - Shit, he ain't doing that. - Yeah, we talking. - That's how I'm getting in trouble, you know what I'm saying? 'Cause now-- - That don't even really seem like trouble. - That don't, but you start hanging out with them. And then you start getting in trouble. And then, too, like, I had my way with the girls, right? And I was smart. And I taught shit. So, it was always somebody that just felt like, home, you getting too much attention. And it just, so I got to spend like 36 times. That's a lot of time. - You can count. - Yeah, I did. I had to, 'cause I had to go in front of the arbitration a few times, you know what I'm saying? Truancy, APD. I mean, 'cause I was getting that kind of trouble, you know what I mean? - Right. - But every time I got into trouble, it was for fighting. So, that's why people in the world don't even see me as that person up where I'm so calm, because I spent so many years having to self-reflect as a child, as a teenager, as an adolescent, realizing like, damn, I really, I keep having conflicts. But I ain't trying, people keep trying me. So then I learned to de-escalate, right? So I de-escalate from the jump. I let it be, no, I'm not a threat. I'm just gonna come do what I do and keep it moving. - That's good, you know what I mean? - That's good to learn at a young age. So having, I guess, this duality growing up on the west side and also the south side, you know, what do you think makes those two sides of town different? - Well, so, when you go to the south side, right? Once upon a time, like, College Park was like, considered a little class. - Yeah. - Sure, white. - Well, it was white. - My dad had a little though, though. My dad had a Seville, seven cause, and a pony. And it was white people around there. You know what I mean? This before, even before, like, even before, like, Kamala and all the different spots when they went before Dominique Williams and Dion and Brian Ty. Sounded as little, though, that it was, you know, it was kind of up a class. So by the time we started living over there, and I recognized it was happening, it was changing. So when there's middle class, no more, it was really the hood, but we thought it was. So it felt different when I went from the south side to the west side, when I went to the west side, it felt straight hood, because I was in hood. Like, that was what it was, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, yeah, you know, getting around that. - Yeah, so it was different. So like, on the west side, Niko will pull them up to school with the box shabby, being, you know what I'm saying? On votes, these, the Tatsubashtere were, and he was sending class in the 11th grade with the Tatsubashtere with the Tatsubas radio fade. Like, you go to the south side, you know what I'm saying? They weren't really pulling up like that, but they might pull up and something like, I mean, I have a camera in, I have a candlelight, you know what I'm saying? Might have a nicer car, it was just different, it was a little different, you know what I'm saying? - For me. - What values did you learn early that you still carry with you today? - Think before you speak. I learned there at all, cause I always had to fly my, what do you get there for? - Shit, my mom, my dad, 'cause he, my mom, you know what I'm saying? - Rest in peace, Vicki, while Vicki was a G. She ain't, she ain't buy her tongue for nobody, on-kill, what it was, you know what I'm saying? And, but she stood on what she stood on and she meant well, just a delivery, she didn't have the most tactful of the most pleasant delivery. But if you are a person that can receive that and understand the true prospect that you're coming from that you receive 100%, and I just had as a kid, I ain't never really received it as well. So, it forced me to kinda, I always had a little friction in me and my mom, you know what I'm saying? But it taught me a lot because, you know, the people you love the most, sometimes it ain't gonna be the most pleasant experience when you learn it, you know what I'm saying? Now they say, "I ain't shot for iron." So, when you brought two pieces of iron together, we're gonna have them, shit, gonna get hot. - Well, I mean, friction, tough conversations. - Yeah. - You know, they're had by the strongest relationships. - Yeah. - You know, they're how you determine how strong your relationship is. - Yes, yes, yes. - If relationship can't withstand a tough conversation, it wasn't a strong relationship. - No, you're right. I heard you mentioned earlier that you got into the Latin school because in your opinion, you feel that people felt you were getting too much attention. Now, when I first, 20 years ago, when I was first introduced to you in your music, you seemed like a cool cat, you know what I'm saying? Kind of laid back. Later on in your career, it seemed just the whole, you longed a little bit more for some attention. And I'm gonna go with, I'm gonna go with your hairstyle. - Yeah. - Okay. - Okay, so what was it that made you go from just the cool laid back, you know, young job that come and handle it being this and get the hell on, don't wanna, don't wanna know extra attention. To the guy who dies hell and do it all day. - So, I'm gonna tell you what crazy. - What was the change? - The change. - It's so funny, man, I was finna come film with you. - Oh, I had to wear it. - It was a day before I was coming to film with you. Remember, you saw it, you were the first people to saw it. - Where was you coming to film with me? - Hillpops squares. - Mm, right. - Okay. - And so I had got wind of who I was gonna be on there. - Yeah. - I was like, oh, it's some people who were gonna talk some shit. - Then I heard time telling this, so I want you to notice. - Okay. - I'm gonna tell you the story, but I never told it to do this, to do up there with this man and to. - Okay. - Now, like, till we're gonna talk some shit, I'm gonna go and get him hosting. - I said, "You should go shut the internet down." I walked in, I said, "Give me the white boy. Sufie, the Sufie." I said, "What?" - I was like, "Look, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, like, make it like, like, like I could just break my head over." - I said, "You be like, I, and when she said I, you need it." - She said, "I, she be like, how are you, ma'am?" - "Hey, shit, it worked though, it worked. Let me tell you why I worked." - Instantly. Instantly. The minute I saw you, yo. (laughs) - But yo, I was so big, you didn't lie about that, and you knew it. (laughs) - And I was like, "That's it, that's what I needed. That's the reaction I needed from the people." - I think what I told you, I said, "You know they go see you, right?" - Yeah, yeah, yeah, you did, and we laughed about it. Even though you probably wasn't like this, they could trip him. - And I walked away saying to myself, "He probably saying, just make a trip." - Yeah. - But I understood it because what I was realizing is, sometimes, you have to create a line for yourself, you know what I'm saying. "File your line, most people don't know their line, because they don't really understand the strengths." - Right. - Most people really don't understand the plight they subject to when they don't know their weakness. You understand what I'm saying? Because a lot of people don't really know that's why they think they know where they weak at, but they over-embellish who they are. There was so much that it's like, they even forget. It's a lot of cabin be going on. So when you know your weaknesses, you can't be afraid to face them. - Right. - And I one thing I know I'm not weak at is, I'm not scared of people talking about me. I'm not scared of humility, because I've come to realize that so many people are chasing to be this pressing presentation of a person that sometimes you just got to be what it is. And at that moment it worked for you, work for you. Got it, you know what I'm saying? - So shot value, basically. - And that's the job value. - The job value. - Yeah. - Because if you really just think about it, I sit back and really think about how long you knew me till before I even made it to love in hip-hop. - I went 20 years ago, right. And so I never, you never seen me as a joke stuff. You know what I, because whenever I was around you, I was like, man, this guy down till, man. - So you got me to add your own levels of success though. - I did. - But you got to understand I was able to study the people who came before me. And it's only failed to say, you know what I'm saying? You got to assess, you know what I'm saying? And the cats who come before you, you know, y'all, it's a certain level of understanding that has to be there. Like I'm watching, I'm like, down. It's where I really don't have some struggles to this shit. And I'm saying, and every time he don't face it, like with that same eyebrow. (laughing) (laughing) And so, you know, you sit back, you studied that and watch how it pans out for somebody's story realizing like, damn, this person is really taking his career serious even with the wolves. So I was always serious, bro. I was serious. So when I started realizing that the music, I didn't have the same passion for it. I didn't have the same team. Things changed. You started learning the beat. And you started realizing what the plan with you. You started realizing like, okay, I'm gonna just have to go get out of the mood. And so that's really what I did because for me at the moment, music wasn't, it was my primary source of income because I still, I never stopped doing shows. I never stopped touring. Publishing, you know how that shit works. Yeah, I'm still getting money. Even when people don't think you get money. Chill. Chill, I just realized one day I was like, man. I'm just gonna go for what I know. Go for what you know. And did that what got you in love and hip-hop? Yeah, yeah, 'cause I know how to make people talk. And I knew that it was gonna be another comment on me. Like another wave on me because-- What season was? Shit, it was the third season. I would have been on the first season, but they were trying to bring me on with a cheat who was trying to shoot with my mistress. I was like this, I ain't going on a TV with you. Tell me what your mistress is. Crazy, yeah. Like I already got a fight. Hey, look, though. No, I can't even play with it. But okay, so that was a conscious decision to kind of turn the career, let the career take another turn. Did you count on all of the invasion of privacy that came with that? I did. You did? I did. That crazy, 'cause I didn't. I did. How the hell you did? I never knew. See, here's the thing. You already a celebrity. I came out before loving hip-hop. Way before. Yeah, so the thing is, I never knew that that would be a part of it. I didn't. I didn't. I don't see how not. 'Cause it didn't. 'Cause every time anything came up, your name was in everything. Yeah, I just-- I mean, you know, I sometimes I had delusion of grandiose. Okay. I only see the good. You know, if I'm looking at something, I can say, okay, this is the good, it's going to come out of there. And I don't pay as much attention. You're going to have to live about balance, too. Well, I understand that now. That's right. See, this is the time where I can look back and say, you know what I mean? Yeah. But, all in all, the same, they have worked that. You got the number one morning show in the city, right? In the couple of cities. Which one? About 10 cities. Okay. That's too handful. Yeah. You know, naturally syndicated. Okay. We just picked up, um, on my high Nebraska. Right? And we just picked up St. Louis. Oh, man. Shout out to y'all, man. You know, and it's just-- And what's the name of this morning show, man? Put yourself down. It's y'all joking. The streets morning take over. Uh. And, uh, you shouted, shouted. And it's me. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all look damn good. Team, too. It's so fun to come, man. Like, it's something like we fight like cats and dogs, but-- That's what makes the best team. I know. Cause, man, we talk-- People be-- I see. That's why I knew I could go and do the radio thing of it. Because-- The love and hip hop told me that people, like, shit, that they can relate to, people, like stuff that, you know what? People are obsessed with secondhand embarrassment. Mm. It's something about that feeling that when it comes, you like, oh, and as it's happening, you like, you can't tell nobody because you're in the moment. And then, as soon as it's over, people run until what they just experience, what they just witness. And that's how you go viral. People are addicted to secondhand embarrassment. But see, the thing here, it's a couple of things that you've mentioned, right, and, um, and, and I'm shocked that you have this, like, this, this foresight, because you're saying, like, it would drive the internet crazy. That's going to make stuff go viral and that I've never said in thought, like, what's going to make the internet do something. No, I don't see them think. No, what I'm saying, but as you communicate it to me, so I now see that that's a part of people's strategy. Some people? Yeah. And I'm not necessarily saying it's all the way mine, but sometimes, you know, in order, I mean, for example, um, the best conversation is the organic conversation, the conversation you didn't know you were going to have today, right, right, right, and you walk away, feeling like you learned something today, or you experienced something you never experienced by with engagement, but genuinely, right. And sometimes believe it or not, the, the, the moves that I may make, I'm not thought out saying, Oh, this is going to go viral. I'm just saying, I know someone's going to connect with this. But even though there's someone's going to connect with it, is that balance we just discussed, if there's 50% of the people that's going to connect with it, it's 50% of the people that's going to have a disconnect with it, right, it's just balance, right, as a life is on. Okay. How you take it? You can't break it down. No other way. Right. It's up, down, down, down, down. Right. So sometimes I just be like, man, if I do this, shit, I might not do this because people might, so sometimes you keep me from doing it, I never, ever take you care so much about people. See, look, no, no, wait. No way. I promise. I'd be so into me, man. I get it. You hear me, man. I'm like, man, shit. I feel the dude here because I'm going to enjoy it. And that's all that, you know, and it ain't until a motherfucker caught me on camera, and I see myself or I see people see me before I be like, ah, but you know what I say to you, man, fuck that shit, man. I enjoy it myself. You hear what I'm saying? I get it. But I guess, you know, because those saying people if they had the opportunity, if they was in a position where they could do the same things that we decide to or not to do, they properly would. Yeah. That's just like if you walked into the sixth door and you saw the teacher job like this, this is what I'm saying, I'll come up in and make a point. I walked into a starship and I saw one of my teachers, okay. She was a shame. She froze up like she was having a got down anxiety attack and I said, you okay. She was like, I want those. She knows it. I said, it's okay. We are dogs. It's okay. You ain't going to go. She was your teacher at one time. Yeah. Not that they're going to go. Okay. So, she, she, she bad by the way. I don't know. But you know what I'm saying? Sometimes people I don't know what you're bad. - I don't know, but what the point of making this-- - I have this on for extra credit. - A lot of times when we say you would do it too. She was doing this, she was enough for the same purpose I was in before. - I don't think people could, I don't think people should judge about other peoples. - Like, people share why are different, man. - You know what I'm saying? - I think it's just a natural thing. - Yeah, man, if I don't agree with something 'cause we're talk like that, we're talk to, agree. - Some people like they nipple twisted, man, and they ain't got no better to twist them, they need a nipple twisted. - Yeah. You know what you're saying? - Why he is that? - Hey man. I don't think we should judge others for, you know, 'cause they're seeing differently than us. We all got our issues. - Dooley noted to anybody watching. - Man. - That was real, just real. - See, that you go thinking about them again, man. It's just, it's just, they just, I, I, you. - I know it, but sometimes I don't have to say it. - You do? - 'Cause some people, it actually go right over their head. - Hey man, let me ask you this. - About the things you've experienced on the love and hip hop platform, what was the most difficult to watch back? - The most difficult to watch back? - Yeah. - She, that's, it's such a, such a lengthy process to go back to all that because this moment's where. Well, now just think about the visceral reaction that you had that turned your stomach when you saw something you'd wish you didn't have to see and realize the rest of the world was seeing it with you. Well, it would probably be, honestly, it would have to be me having to put my wife through the embarrassment of an outside child because, you know, I've had very difficult moments on that, when you say a moment there, it's just like, I hate to see the video, my mama telling me that she didn't have long to live, you know, that's one of the hardest things I have to recollect and live with, you know what I'm saying? These are very personal moments, like what made you, like what, how could you put yourself in, like put yourself in the spotlight to do that on TV? You know what people always told me when I was coming up, I first got on, I mean, like I'm sitting here with EMS in the bank, I'm like, she, like, I just got off tour with T.I. that you talking about, I'm up, and this is like, maybe you miss your calling, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I know with the T.I. I brought like, I mean, with the calling, yeah, man, what's the calling? But I would hear that from older people so much, and women, I'm like, you miss your calling, I'm like, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what's the calling, but I would hear that from older people so much, and women. I'm like, you miss your calling, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what's the calling, but what, what's the calling, but I would hear that from older people so much, and women. And so, when the opportunity came, the reality TV era was not what it is today, what has been recently, that shit was like, that's the graveyard, that's how people felt, that was the era of it, you know what I'm saying, and surface level, it was like, yeah, you got to go to the round of TV, you know, slums, you know, so I wasn't trying to be, I wasn't trying to be with that shit. That's why the first time it came to me, the first time it, it came to me, I just was like, nah, I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it. And then the opportunity came by way of me meeting Carly. Okay. And I really would like, yeah, I'm sure I'm going to be on with that, I'm sure why, I ain't with that shit. I'm a different type of, you know what I'm saying? I'm different. So I've been on set, so why I shit on camera, and I'm like, I don't know if I should do that. So I just stayed away. That's why nobody know me and I was dealing. And then one day she just looked and she was like, I want this for real. And I was like, look at that man, what shit. You don't like for real? Me and huh, she was like, I want it to be real. And I like so real and what way I'm like, because if it real, you can't be on TV playing with no other dude, like you, I ain't saying you got to come up the show, but you're going to have to figure out a difference, a different guy. No, I mean, this is a conversation that really happened. Wow. Yeah, me going to like shit. Yeah, yeah, because shit, my, my fake art on this. Wow. So you got to think at the time, do early on for her. So she didn't have, she, you know, she didn't have a whole lot of infractures doing a wild, wild shit. She just on TV show coming. No judgment. You feel them? Yeah. So then when I went into it, I was just like, I don't know if I'm really ready to expose my life, but I like, you know what, shit, why not? So wait a minute, tell you a man every at the time, I was waiting for the paper, waiting for my degree. Way going through the divorce. You're going through the divorce. So without that shit, Cameron, you know how people we take shit and sensationalize it? Oh, he's the mayor. No, technically, but I'm waiting for all the shit to do, it was a lot of shit to sort through. Well, I made a lot of properties, you know, that's what I think that people have an opinion based on their experiences, because they were done the same way. They automatically feel that's the way everybody else is doing it. Yes, yes, yes. I totally agree. People be feeling like, well, this ain't got shit. I have it with you. Yeah. So yeah, I was, that was done. So I didn't have to be looking crazy. That's why I didn't do it in the first, in the first place, because I was mayor. Yeah. I was like, no, I don't want to do that. So when you, when you, when you shared with your wife, that there was another child, um, is that what led to the divorce? No, I'm talking about my first marriage. Wait a minute. I mean, the time you've been married, no? Twice. Twice. My first marriage was a 12 year marriage. Okay. So when I first hit the scene, I, so, you know, how you kind of like, man, you still till eight back. Because, man, when I came out, I was married, and I'm being not forced. I don't want to use the word force, but I don't use the word co-herst, but I was kind of guided in the direction to say that I wasn't married. Oh, when I was guided by, let's just say the industry got it by the end people who I had legal documentation with binding Yeah, I didn't want to, you know, go against the shit. They're like, you can't say you married, well, you only 25. That's true. Well, how old were you when you got married? I was, uh, I was 23. Okay. And such a young age, we made you get married so early. Because shit, I had real, you know, let me tell you what, some real shit. I really wanted to do everything the right way to, I'm gonna hold you. I want everything I got no good that I, like how you said, the type of force that I had in real life, bro. Everything I'm experiencing in my life right now is everything I believe, like, well, I, I, I kid you not, I mean, it's never more like, well, I was never thought I was, because I always thought that, you know, but I've never thought a million years I'd be, that's a lie for me. So I always be like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be somebody, right? You know, uh, man, man. So why you changed your hair back? See, why you changed your hair back? No, I'm saying, but I never went, and I'll talk to you. I never went sweet to do. No, you didn't. I just, but you got to think, I did that shit, like, put it like that. I really were going on that because I like, this is a new show. Okay. I was like, so serious, but he got cool. I'm like, I wonder how this is going to play out. He on D, right? So you saying you're going to do this for me? Not for you. But I knew that I was going to be in your prison man. I never told anybody to shit, but I always, if you go back and listen to the story, I always tell it, man, on my mom, on my mom, and that's, I could, I could drop that because I really mean that polo, polo, but that thing is in right now. Okay. He like, bro, you going to the, you going to be on the show tomorrow, which, which, and you died, now I didn't die till later on. Okay, yeah. So when I did it, let's just say, I just remember what she read. No, no, no, it was just black hair at first. Okay, that's it. No per turn, all right. No 27 pieces. All that, like, yeah. Yeah, that's all she did blow dry. Okay. Yeah. So when I went on the other shit, he's so hard to, I was going right back to my regular. I didn't do it with the shit, the turning back into regular young job. But I, it was just like, she, I got there. They, they just talking crazy and the phone's ringing. Yeah. Keep knowing it. So that's why I couldn't do it. And we're like, this shit look real crazy. It's not what I'm talking. So you did come to that conclusion. Okay. Okay. The minute I listen, I just wanted to make sure. Okay. Cool. Minute. She said, are you read? I'm like, yo, when she turned that guy into a channel, I live in that mirror. I'm like, oh, hey, man. So you did conclude that shit, look, the crazy moment I saw it. I said, what is shit for, and Polo looking at me like, how you feel about when people say you look the light and the red or the bad anger. They were talking about me. Thank you. And I think that's my superpower. I can smile in the face of adversity. Most of niggas can't. That's why niggas end up on the side line. I don't, I don't, I don't get cold. I don't get my, I don't get jammed up. It helps me. You saying that, buddy? Hey, don't, because I really I'm like, man, people are gonna swear you. But I don't think he wanted the greatest thing until we came out of Atlanta. - Let that appreciate it. - But you know how to hurt a hell of a lot of motherfuckers think that he did that. But at the end of the day, I'm like, shit, that's your opinion. It don't fucking matter. Out of her, I know Wayne wanted the hardest niggas. That's right. - I know Drake wanted the hardest. I know Kendra wanted the hardest niggas. - But yeah, what? - It's still a pool of niggas that just like, man, niggas like shit, niggas, whack niggas. - So people are gonna do that. - Some people, some people. - People are gonna do it. I mean, those of us with, you know, like, I guess extreme ambition that just kind of dare to dream outside the box, you know, we upset the failures inside of others. - It happens. - People see all the things that they weren't courageous enough to try. - Yeah. - When they look at us, you know what I'm saying? - And they're being inspired and seeing that if we can do what you can do it to. - And then niggas be feeling like you got a playbook. Niggas be thinking you got a play, man. - Not promised. - Most of this shit, you're having to work. - Yeah, you're having to work, bro. All I did was didn't quit. - That's the only thing, man. The only thing I did was didn't quit, I worked. - That's why I'm sitting right here with you today, bro. I ain't never stopped. I never stopped believing. I never stopped walking with the confidence that I'm gonna be okay, never stopped, bro. Like, I guess I'm so, my coolness took some time becoming from me just sitting back thinking like that. When I think about all the cat light, which was just talking about when I think about all the cats that have wanted to be successful, have just wanted some form of success, some degree of acknowledgement. They never get it, bro. Get it for the wrong shit. - That's fucked up. - Niggas be on the new, okay. You don't got a guy in that shot for that eight time. They're gonna t-shirt on court, TV, on the new-- - Who are you talking about? - I'm just talking about people with friends that I love. - Okay. - You know, it's kind of like, somebody asked me about survivors from us and it kind of makes me feel like, when I think about I don't understand what I'm on the tangent, but we just have a conversation. - A little bit, but go ahead. - No, we haven't come. - It's good TV. - So, some time, man, cats really, like you said, they don't get a chance to experience some of the things you, you, you, you, you. They'll never see a tenth of what you're seeing, bro. They, but they could, they could, but they believe. But by the time Niggas 50 years old, bro, and you been doing the shit, is that what I'm trying to say, too? So, it's, it's, you, you live a dream over and over a million times. - Because I believe that good. - And it's a lot of cats that don't know, that's why I said they think we try. - All they got to do, all you got to do is believe you can. That's it. - Bro. - It ain't nobody else's decision on whether or not energy attracts energy. If you possess the energy that says, "I deserve this, I can't have this." And you work towards it, it's gonna come to you. Simple to that. - And know how to have a team, too. That's one thing I did watch. - They gonna be attracted to you, once you say you own it. - But the team coming to you. - But against what? I think that's a, that's a very important thing that we don't talk about enough. We don't talk about enough. But you got to be able to construct the proper team around you, bro. And a lot of cats don't know how to do that because they're gonna rock with this, my man's rubbing down with me for like shit. But even though that, the only problem is, when they say this is this day man, they ain't taking the time to recognize the talent that they man have to know what position to put the man in. - Exactly. - They just trying to get him to do some shit that they need then, they do have to be able to delegate recognized talent. You know, be honest with yourself about what you're good at, what you're not good at. You got to know what's there to know what's missing. - The reason I'm able to say that, I'm gonna say that, watch your team for a long time. I used to be like, yeah, so goddamn, I'm saying, bro, you know what I'm saying? - I didn't go through the yellow pages a little for no name. - I get it. - The energy that I was putting out attracted those people to me. I saw what I'm good at. I'm good at making music, good at performing. I'm good at walking in the room and, you know, meeting people, figuring out who, you know, who's doing what, what I'm not good at if following up. - That's communication. - She feels that I'm not good at setting up meetings and being places on time, like that's not what I'm good at. So I need people around me who can fulfill the things that I can't, and then me knowing that that, what I needed, as I moved through life, those people just come to me. - And again, some people still do not know how to delegate these roles. - How they got to do with the leave. - You gotta leave, but leave will take you so far. But enough about that. One question, one quick question. Why thought it too dull, thank you, bro. - I think it was a, I think it was the Uber post and I think it was just a bar off of that. - It was a hard air bar, man. - It was a hard bar. - It was a hard bar. - It was a hard bar. - It was wrapped, though, right? - I thought it, I thought it saw you happen, I thought it saw you happen out of like a old, old Volkswagen, the song. - No, no, no, see. - I thought y'all had saw each other in him. - No, no. 'Cause you gotta think about this too. Let me tell you something crazy. When they got their own song dropped. - Yeah. - Bro, I got a whole got brand new Rose Royce with 200 miles on it, sitting outside of my establishment, right? Right here in the middle, in the top of COVID. And my shit packed up. - And here he is, kinda what he broke. - But what, but what, here's something even more. - He could've said anything back here. - But you know what, he wasn't even, wait a minute, bro. It wasn't even, it didn't hit on the line where he had to ride me. - He said, he could've put in it back in there, right? - He could put in back in there. - And he started his first off like, no. He started one of the hardest songs on the Hill of like. - That would begin another song, man. You can't even skip past it, you know, we're around. - Damn, bro, that shit, that was hilarious. - No, I mean, I always wondered how you felt about that. You know, I was just, I think I just put it in my mind that it gotta be that the pull up and go, the lift shit, because people, some people don't, bro, they can't decipher like reality from, did that stop people from S and U to bar money? - It did. I just talked about, it did, but let me tell you what it did. - I was somebody that said, I'm broken a song. It did what it got. - But let me tell you what it did, dude. - It put a different fire on me. - I was saying to myself, God damn, what kind of paper I'm getting, if nigga could come. I'm like, nigga, come, nigga, bro, I need to go even harder. - 'Til I'm mad at you. - God damn it. - I'm gonna demonstrate this shit for you. - Man, you stupid. And I put this on my kids, man, my deal mother. The people in the room know the same old life. I'm standing in the middle of this spot, like I said, new roles where it's outside. Big crew. Pog is the one. - Big crew. - Big crew, yeah. And I'm standing here. - Pog, it got the mumps. And my club, Pat, I'm talking about, when I say Pat, I'm talking to Pat. - Yo club, my club. So I'll beat you. - Okay. - Old growners. - Right. - Beat, got you. - 'Til I'm sitting in my old fucker. - Pat, no. - Watchin' the calf register open and kill. - This isn't it, hey, I'm so, I'm so like involved. nigga, I bring the bottle to your table. - Mmm. - Okay. - I'm so involved, get my out of the ball. - Anybody that came in there. - So you having, and there's people from all over the United States coming up because shit will shut down. - Yeah. - So it ain't just, and I'm in here. It's got down to Chicago. It's niggas from all over. You can tell that you're about to dress different. - Everybody look at you. - And the song, come on. - Yeah. And I'm in my shit. - Uh-huh. - And the whole club, and they looking at me, saying that shit. - Ah. - And I'm seeing her like, with a telly, a fucking receipt from Sheree. Listen, from this one right here. - Yeah, oh my god. - With a sheree, a telly for my printout for the night. - Yeah. - I'm saying to myself. - God, damn, they feel good. 'Cause at the same time, little Italy chopper talk about the walkin' down song. - What about the walkin' down? - He mentioned me in his hook. - Nah, that I didn't hear. - That hook, that song going at the same time. - I didn't hear that. What happened? What did he say? - Yeah, he said, oh, like, young jock is goin' down. - Oh, okay, okay, okay. - But that's a good one. That was a good, right? - That was a good mention. - It was a good mention. - Yeah. - But what I'll tell you about balance. - Okay. - Right, yeah. - So it was, it was, and it was both planned. So the DJs is playing that song. - So, but kudos to you for even letting that song play in your club. - Shit, right. - 'Cause I betcha they wouldn't have played that motherfuckin' man. - That's the difference. - That's just the difference. - Respectfully. - Nah, I'm just joking, bro. I'm just joking, bro. - Nah, I wouldn't have had it with me. - I wouldn't have had it with me. - Nah, I wouldn't have had it with me, nah, I wouldn't have had it with me, nah, I wouldn't have had it with me. - You got a little shit so funny. You ain't hear a funny story, man. - Yeah, yeah. - Okay, so shout it low. He was coming, you know, 'cause he, he, he is banking. He was in the club every week, and you know what I'm saying? I knew D for real, and just at that time that type of music did not quite appeal to me. I respect the habit he got, but I just couldn't my ear hadn't been conditioned to receive that at that time. When I went to, I went to crucial one night, and I seen low on state. Um, and he will perform it. Uh, I believe he will perform it day, no. Right. And I heard that I was like, I walked up to him. I say, man, that's your jam right? And that that's it. That's it. Well, you got you one now. I didn't, I couldn't hear the words, you know what I'm saying? I just heard the song, and I went and shook that man and congratulated him on the song. He was dissing me. Oh, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. See, now that's what you want to know is even funny. What? I was already out from home, bro. Naturally, I'm syndicated from home in my bedroom in my son room in the bedroom. This is why I set up to do radio. And I keep catching the song. But, but I'm never catching it from the beginning, right? Yeah. Oh, on the radio. Yeah. I love a little baby. That boy got, why don't we crack another? Yeah. I'm sure I love everything. You know, and and not knowing that the song started all like that. So one that when I found out that what was happening for me, one one I was sitting on and I heard that that little wills of the dog doing. Yeah. Oh, that's the stuff. That's all. I like it here from talk. I turned that bitch up. Yeah. And he said, if I go broke like jot that shit. Jam, I got them comprehensive for me. I like. Did you? Did you even know? Did you know that he was talking about you? Bro, I didn't. I had never heard they were like, who do it? No, no. But he was like, he talking back. I'm like jack who stole? We talking back. The funny part of you. I laughed. I said, wait a minute. Now wait a minute. I can't quite put my fingers on some levels. I'm like, no, I don't have a relationship with baby. Right. Right. A personal relationship. I don't know if it's a relationship. Right. Do I love baby music? Yeah. I'm from, I'm from the underworld. We probably want to let that happen, like, where you can't. What you mean, man? Now, man, you gotta let Nick say what he's saying now. You gotta let him say what he's saying. That's your light. I got a song. You know, man, I would, I would, I would, I would just, like I mean, you don't want my song. Yeah. And it's my single. And he say to put pussy man, but then put my nose. He never called you a pussy though. What do you call me bro? He, but he just, he thought you were broke. But why did he? How long ago did that song come out? I don't know. What was it six years ago? And you talking to me about they got them songs six years later. It was jamming like a motherfucker. Was that strong? No, it's not. She's not like. It's still here. It's you talking about it. But still though. Right. But it has I don't take it like that. It's not the saying. I don't think you don't feel that it was intended to be disrespectful. It was intended, it was intended to make a point. To make a point. What's the point? The point is he's not broke. And jockey. So that's like said, you know what I was saying? No, but he ain't saying you're a pussy. You have. I know. There's a lot of tough niggas. This bro, I was saying, oh man. Oh man. Oh man. Not. Oh shit. So for me, that's how every time I spoke on it, it was just funny to me. If you said, if he said you broke, but you, but you, but you, but you stand on business, that would have been better. Either way, it still was good. Cause at the end of the day, niggas talked about me. Right. Right. Right. Just think about it. In that year alone, niggas was talking about me. I got two songs on the charts where I'm in on the song. And people talking about me. That's right. And I ain't fucking in the body. And you getting paper. Yeah, I'm getting paper on. And I can also attest. It's in songs. I can also attest. I knew you were in broke. Cause you just came in about our house. You just came in about our house. We gave us, gave, gave us market value. So I knew you weren't broke. I knew you weren't broke. I knew it. But I still have that shit. I mean, I think I've been on TV. I got a national. I'm the marquee of a morning show of station, bro. Like I don't know if niggas understand what that mean. That's just like I compete with Steve Harvey. I compete. I compete with the Ricky Smiley's. I come on in niggas. Yeah. And I got a small fucking signal. So if I'm ranking over these these names that I'm naming with a smaller signal, imagine if I had that bigger signal, I would probably dominate. But I don't have the type of disposition while pop my shit like that. I don't know what you pop it at. I don't have that arrogance. I just let the work speak for itself. Because why do I got to let the work speak? And I got to speak about it. That's too much talking. Just let the work do the talking. Okay. That's why I don't pop my shit. You don't pop your shit enough. And I'd be like, you're right. But I don't have to. Cause I'm still living a great life right on. So the nigga who popping his shit, I'm like, my wife popping this shit. I'm over there. See what my teeth do like. Across from you. So it's a beautiful thing. But it is. It's funny because here it is. I'm finna go to the truck. Uh-huh. On these boys for life tour. And I just don't know how this shit gonna play. What that mean? Boy, like, I'm gonna be to K2, like 20. Okay. What are you going back together? What not? So, you know, I'm just like, man, how the shit going to look when I go on stage? Because like you like I said, it's just like the people doing that shit. And I just, I was just recently in Detroit. And I'm trying to do a song together. I said that. I thought that would be dope. I like doing it. I don't have no issues. I should do a song together. I think it would be dope. Put it together. Okay. I see what I see what I can do, man. I see what I can do. Cause I, here's the thing. Who gonna pay for the studio? No, you gotta do it. But we would know. And I'm gonna say it's a crazy one or so crazy. Let's uh, nigga. I'm just in Detroit. I'm gonna book me for a show. I'm gonna book me for a podcast. Uh-huh. So I ain't from Detroit. So I don't know what the fuck going on. Right. You for real for it. You know, you, you got people, you know, on the ground. And I'm sitting in this podcast. And of course, I'm in Detroit. So you know they want to ask me about this shit. And I'm just like, am I true sentiments is I never had the issue. I know who was upset. Cause shit in a day. I went broke. Now if I were broke, I probably would have felt some kind of way. Cause that shit would have probably crushed the average nigga. You know, if you really fucked up, it was a big song. It was a very big song. You got to hit that shit every day. But because I wasn't, I was able to just be like, Hey, whatever. But we talking about it in the interview, man. Then after the interview over, it's like nigga started peering with the 42 chains. Oh shit. Damn. I'm like, did you need to book me? Uh-huh. What's just another fucking and what happened though? No, we had a good ad time at night. We had a fucking bar. We had a ball. That's the best. We kicked the best part about it. We kicked the butt. We're at the end of the day. I'm just saying that's that's why my level of just understanding the B way it's that took. Cause man, just niggas make too many mistakes out here. And I just don't want to be one of them. You know, so yeah. Now speaking of pop of your shit, man, people don't know that you produce self-reforms with your with your partner. Uh, why don't you share more about that shit? I've been working with smooth, uh, smooth films. Right. Um, and, and it can't buy a wheel out on the club. Okay. And got down. So the dog hit me one day. It was like, Hey, man, I want you to come do some records for my partner. I cool show up and knock him out before create a relationship. And you're like, No, I'm doing movies. I'm like, All right. Cool. Yeah. Think about me. I'm gonna do some shit. It's an even one day. I was like, Hey, man, you still want to do some moves? I like, yo, so we got to talk in the shit, man, and it was like, man, he's like, I think you should, you know what I'm saying? Come in and rock out with me on some of these films. I said, but shit, let's go. And that's what it's been. So the first thing we put out was, uh, gas station peel. That was in the anthology series. So I got a story to tell. That did really good. That's the job where I take the gas station peel and turn to a whole nothing because that's the whole analogy behind the gas station. You're taking something to make you something that you might at the moment. Right. So that will be where we came back with, uh, a lure lure. So we're in a process of doing a lure, too. Now, you know, I'm just having the films you don't put that. That's, that's, uh, two. Okay. Two. We working on a lure. That's dope. Two now. How do you separate your artistry from your reality TV persona? Shit, I don't, you don't. Nah, because at the end of the day, artistry in itself is produced sometimes, you know what I mean, the artistry in itself is thought out sometimes, the artistry in itself, you're trying to, you're trying to drive a narrative, you're trying to illustrate your thoughts, you know what I'm saying? So it's, for me, I don't get caught in that because when people see on TV, you gotta understand like, at the end of the day, most of the time, I'm not just doing shit to people, I'm not creating issues. It's people around you that create the issues and you really watch them, for me, you watch them react. What issue is creative? It might be, you know what I'm saying? I'm sitting here in a woman standing between me and another woman over. I didn't. You just standing there. I'm just standing there. Okay. That happens. They do. And it happened so good that while it was being filmed, it happened so good that while it was being filmed, it's something that just happened. I let it happen, doing it. This is Expedition. I am too. See how I am.