"Yumming My Yuck" (w/ Carly Rae Jepsen)

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Start listening to SCAM Goddess on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Lisa, tell them about our new show. We have a new podcast. It's called Don't Lie To Me. I'm Lacey Ioaneo, we're two best friends, 22 years apart, but so close at heart. And I'm Lisa Di Giulio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions. And at this point in my 50s, I've lived it all. Now in my 30s, being the founder of New Shoes, good taste is my business. Listen on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey you guys, so it's seconds into September, so you know what that means? It's Christmas. And I'm going back on the road. It's true. My tour this year is called This Time It's Really Christmas. And it might be on sale now. If it's September 9th, you can do that artist presale, Dave, and use the code RumPumPum to take it to the tour. And if it's September 10th, then just get on there and buy tickets because it's time in the words of Mariah Carey. A Christmas icon, if you haven't heard. This is my album. Yes, it's a real thing. Come see what Christmas is all about. At this time, it's really Christmas. Nationwide this December. Go to matrodgersofficial.com for tickets. And by the way, I'm coming to Los Angeles, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, Vancouver, Toronto, Chicago, Boston, DC, and New York, and London. That's November 18th. Okay. I think that's everything. That's Christmas is exhausting. I don't need a single speck of snow. Look, man. Oh, I see him. I don't mind. Bowen, look over there. Is that culture? Yes. Yes. Wow. Los cultureistas. Ding dong. Los cultureistas calling. I'm beaming on my way walking here today for sure. For sure. Oh, but I did have a dark realization. What? About this cycle. This cycle? We're not getting B-sides. It's because she gave us the Javalanche of A-sides. Because the duality is inherent in the concept. Okay. She has something. You don't know that yet. Whoa. This can become a quadruple album. Day in. Day in. Day in night and. Twilight. Twilight, no. Dusk. Dusk. Oh, no, no, no. Dusk. Dusk. Well, no. What is it called? Cropuscular. What is it called when the sun rises? I was going to say Cropuscular. You know. Yeah. I have to look it up. You don't have to look it up. Done. Done. Done. Like, don kind of get forward right into morning. Don't we think or day I should say. Anyway, okay. I just have to really. Let this out. Let it out. Matt texts the pod group chat today. Mm-hmm. Anyone have Carly Rae vinyls at home that we can display behind the job work? Oh, it's a bomb job. I have a ton. Yeah. I said a fuck ton. Yeah. He said a fuck ton. He cursed. Wow. And I think four constitutes a fuck ton. I'm sorry. We have four constitutes a fuck ton. Yeah. Well, they say two is a couple. Three is a few. Four is a fuck ton. Five is several. Yeah. That's a real culture. A real culture number 44. Two is a couple. Three is a few. Four is a fuck ton. Five is several. I really like that one. He's bonus trucks and all that gay stuff. Fuck this. I have dedicated. And I have the longest time. And I was like, I'm bringing all four in. And we're going to swap them out through the episode. Get on the train. I go fuck. And he yelled it again. And I yelled it again. And I took it away from the mic. You're welcome by he. But yeah. And she's, and she's, of course, she's very Canadian about it. And she's like, oh my gosh, it's fine. We're going to get into Canada as a fellow Canadian. It is fine because the thing is like, this actually is, and I said this to you, I did some digging and I did some research. And this is lore. Because on the very first episode of this podcast. Ten years ago. Ten years ago. And episode entitled The Grammys. We said, run away with me, was the record and song of the year. And Emotion was the pop album of that year and several years. And it was paid dust that year by The Grammys. And that was on the first episode of Oscar Jesus. And that was the moment we were chosen as God's favorite. Yes. They God pointed down and said, that's my favorite podcast. The Grammys are going to do well. It's going to do well. Because the Grammys are godless. So of course, they paid that album. It's actually a rule of culture number seven. The Grammys are godless. So day and night, September 18th. Yes. We've gotten a little preview. I've been, I've been spinning it. Banging it. On the phone. Don't. There's a song, there's several songs, but I'm going to single out. You don't know what, you don't know how it feels. Good, fine. Power, passion, patience, power, passion, passion, passion, passion, power. We're going to bring them. She is one of our most prolific songwriters, singers, Canadians, and musical theater legends. All she needs is an angel. I bet you, I bet you thought I forgot. I bet. Everyone eyed, did you think I forgot? No way. Just wait. Please welcome Carly Ray Johnson! Oh wow. It's a moment in time for us. You have no idea. Earlier hearing you talk with Twilight versus the Don, it was like witnessing the inside of my head. Can you, can you, can you explain on this? Well, no, no. I mean, I mean, I can and I can't. Oh, inner scope. Blatter talk. Wait, so they're, okay, so you will not confirm or deny at this time that there will be a companion album. Two, two day and night. I will just say that there may be a little something. Okay, a little something. A little something. And I, yeah. Because you can't go full meal on us. You want to of course it out. I just love the little teas, a little hint, a little. Sure. Who knows what's coming next. Totally. So are you familiar with them? Well, I'm just making this up. But I feel like this is also what you're doing with this album is you're Pokemoning Us. So Pokemon will do two versions of the same game generation in every release. So red and Pokemon. I'm, yeah, I don't have a lot of Pokemon. I'll do it. I'll tell you it'll make total sense. Okay. So the first generation was Pokemon Red and Blue. Second generation was Golden Silver. Third generation is Ruby Sapphire. Fourth is Diamond Pearl. Do you see where I'm going? It's like they do like the dual releases. Yes, I do. I see it. So this is, and I'm, I really do want to get into it right away. I mean, we can banter and we'll banter. But I feel like this is all rooted from you, from the legend, because I feel like when this first made itself public, the fact that you wrote 200 to 250 songs for emotion was the thing where all of us were like holy shit. This is, something's brewing here with Carly in terms of the myth of Carly rage ups. And it's like this woman will write the, write a fuck ton of songs. At least four. And she'll write a fuck ton of songs. And then she'll, she'll, she'll pair it, she'll pair it back. But does this motivate like this kind of volume of album? I, I think so. I think at some point I was, I became, I came to peace with the fact that I overwrite. I write a lot. You work in abundance. I, yeah. And I don't know why exactly. I guess maybe it's because I like to explore and play and I don't really know what I'm doing at the beginning. And then I kind of start to find it in a song or two. And then I want to go explore that world. Yeah. But I, I think it really just comes from my really love songwriting and I like to do it often. And it's just like kind of part of how I process things. I always have more than I need. And then I, I really like to take that and like kind of hone in on what the cream of the crop is really. Okay, so like there are, there are some singers and songwriters who are like sometimes it'll be the title first or the concept or a photo. And then the hook, but it's always, as it always generally been like mass, play on the table first and then you figure it out. I don't really approach like one song the same way every time. So every, I think that's why it's interesting. You can kind of go in and think, hey, this happened to me and I need to write about it. Or it can just be your imagination and fantasy. I wish this happened to me, let's go there. Sometimes I'm melody will come to me. It's just sort of, as I think it comes to all of us, like in the shower and you're like, oh, is that something? Should I hold on to it? And sometimes you're like, no, it was just a bad idea. But other times there's kind of sticks in your head and you kind of want to go play with it. So yeah, I do think more so than ever with this album, I think because I've been in the game for a little longer. [BLANK_AUDIO] I had a bit more confidence to like not think that I needed to go in and play by the rules. Right. So it wasn't like, okay, we're making a formulaic like pop song. Right. It was a little bit more like we know how to do that. Yeah. Let's just go and play a little bit and see what happens and be free with it. And I was working with a lot of friends and collaborators who were like minded in that way. So it would just be like we'd go and have like a long conversation and dinner and then go to the studio later that night. And all of a sudden we're like a song was born. Yeah. That happened really effortlessly. Yeah. Yeah. I love when I can clearly tell you're having so much fun in the booth. You have one of the most effervescent like and like legible voices in terms of like we can feel the joy almost immediately. And you're such an amazing actor in the booth. Oh, thank you. I don't know if you like feel like when you're in the booth you're acting. But it comes through like character. I think that I'm definitely when I'm singing and I'm hearing other vocalists that I love. I can tell when I buy it and I can tell when I don't. And so I don't know if I'm acting so much as I'm like really, but like maybe I'm acting. But I'm really taking on the feeling of what I wrote the song about. And that's how I don't forget the words when I'm on stage too. And I take myself back to that place of being like that guy. Now we're gonna sing your type. I'm not ready to sing it until I think about him and then it all comes back to me like I wrote it for the first time. And with the same severity, like sometimes more. Sometimes more. But you're like that asshole. Yeah. He's still out there. You're like wow, this is a song that I wrote. I should have put a name in this song that I didn't because I'm classy. It's honestly one of my favorites of yours of all time because of exactly where he's saying. I'm not the type of you. I thought your performance of that. Did you? It was sent to me. I was like he committed. You were an actor yourself. When I have great material. Oh. It's a three day video on the page. It ate on the stage. I. We went to Hammerstein ballroom. like your music is such a character in the room that that can be true, you know what I mean? And I wanted to ask you, just because as I was going through your expansive, you know, discography, which is really what it is, it feels so voluminous. There's like a vortex of pop happening now. - Do you have a favorite Carly Ray Hook? Like, do you look back and you're like, "Oh, that was a lick that I am." - Oh my God. - I can say CRJ, that one. (laughing) - CRJ. - You say that all the time, yeah. - I mean, I definitely don't. (laughing) - But I want to ask you too, too, too, too. - I'm just in the air being like, you got that one. - Yeah. - Um, you know, oh gosh. I nothing's like coming to mind. I think, I do love to laugh. And I think, I would more say that I laugh at myself. Like later on to be like, I can't believe that I put store out. Like, that's such a strange decision. - Yeah, I love that you both store out. - But like, there's some decisions where I made where I'm like, "Oh, I really ran with that, like, really far." Like, the idea with like, now that I found you, which is not like one of my favorite songs, but I'm like, I convinced my label to do like, a music video about me being obsessed with the cat. Like, what do I think? (laughing) But like, like, and like, catnip, like, I got high on the catnip halfway through. Did you actually? - And I thought this was a good idea. And I mean, I look back and I like chuckle, but I feel like I'm like, this was a very specific type of humor that was not that funny, but like, I have a sleep deprived, and we ran with it. - You got a room with it. - And committed. - Is it ever shame or embarrassment, or is it mostly just like, perplexion? - No, it's a delightful, like, that's so wild that we got that idea through. And I mean, I love to laugh, especially at myself, I think, you know. - Yeah, you have to. - Yeah, you got to. - Well, 'cause it's like, you're doing pop music. You know what I mean? - You can't take it that seriously. - Well, that, and when Lady Gaga was here, I used to have the same question. I'm like, how much are you laughing in the booth? Like, a lot, I would imagine. - Well, I mean, the thing is, I say, you can't take it seriously, and then I follow that up with you. Do because of the fact that I think it is such a heart on your sleeve, like, high stakes, genre of music. Like, people love it, and people hate it. I'm involved in both sides of it. I hate a certain song. - What is going on? - And then I love it. - That's crazy. - Which one is this? - I know. (laughs) - No, sorry. - Oh my god. - And that was a lot. - I was getting a call and I was like, silencing, and then maybe I like pressed a button. - What do you think about that being? - I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. - Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. - Okay, just for the record, it is called, wow. (laughs) This is not even a, no, a brief introduction on dubstep. - Oh, it. - Nightroof. (laughs) - On dubstep production by Nightripper. - Okay. - Let's just get that. - So now, that's just a good way. - Hey, I swear to God, this is, I'm mortified. Okay, hold on, let's just play this. - That's not. (upbeat music) - Okay. - Does this inspire any hooks? (laughs) - This could take, this could honestly go dusk. - This is twilight. - This is the V-side. This is twilight. - Stayin' night and more. (upbeat music) - I'm glad for you. - I'm glad for you too. - No, you guys don't know this. - It's because this becomes a session. - There's no need to be polite with, that's not my work or anything. - You need to stop apologizing for yourself. - Yeah. - That's true, Canadian. - It's a vortex of apologies. - It's Canadian. - You can't help it, I'm also sorry. - No, no. - No. - People, Americans don't believe me when I say, like, oh no, no, and like, it's not, and I don't think Canadians apologizing is disingenuous. - No, we're really, really sorry. (laughing) - Where does that come from culturally? - Oh gosh, I don't know. I think it comes from this idea of being polite is to apologize, and really mean it, even if you kind of like, we're the person who got run into. You still apologize, 'cause it just smooths over the situation, and that's polite. - Right, that person who ran into you could be having a hard day. - Exactly. - Yeah. - Oh my god, you sound like my mother. (laughing) - Yes! - Yes! - Exactly. - That's what it is. - Who knows what they're struggling with. - Yeah. - Be the first to offer the olive branch. - Yeah, of course. - Yeah, of course. - Yeah, I don't know. What do you think it's from? It's my theory. - I think it is. - I want to tie it back to like, first grade or something, that like, okay, so in Quebec, we called our teachers by their first names. - Oh. - True and B.C.? - No, no, no, no, no, not at all. - Yeah, Mr. Hernandez, yeah. - Mr. Hernandez, my kindergarten teacher was Joanne. - Joanne. - First grade teacher, I forget her name. Second grade teacher, I forget her name. Third grade teacher, because that's when I moved to the US. False. - Okay, what? - France. Her name was France. - Okay. - Her name was France. - Her name was Lola. - Wow. - She was a show girl. (laughing) But I feel like we were just taught, well, also Canadian teachers, Quebec話 teachers would get within this close of your face. - Oh no. - And scream at you. - Okay, well, this is the opera, I'm like. - Yeah, this isn't what I've been told of the great North. - So that's my, that's where the sorry comes from for me is that I'm like, oh, like I'm so sorry. - Oh, wow. - I saw something out there as a, can I pause it an idea? - Yeah. - So Canada famously attached to America. America, often very braggadocious, like very much like sort of we are American, like see us come a world. Like we are here. Do you think maybe the attachment of Canada to America, makes Canadians feel a little bit like embarrassed? Like sorry, sorry, we know that North America can be a lot. - I don't know about that. - Okay. - I don't know. - I don't know. - No, I don't know. - I like the theory, but it's an interesting theory. - So you guys aren't embarrassed of Americans. - No, no, I made it an American. - Oh, there you go. - You know. - It's tough. We'll be looking for him. You, I think it's like Canadians, generally have more space or in touch with nature. There's, you know, health insurance. It's like, you're like, you're a little, we're like, oh, I'm sorry, it's, it's, maybe it's lower stakes. - I really don't know why. - Or maybe it's like, sorry. - Ooh, try that, try it, try it. - Taking the Canadian, that's the reason I changed my story too. - Sorry, sorry. - Oh, I think, guys, this is good. This is good. - You're going to do a different feeling. - That's your different feeling. Wait, okay, okay, hold on, music video. Speaking of halls, thank you for putting Paris on the map with motivation. Hey, I mean, I think it already had its place. - No. - But I appreciate you saying that. - And Versailles. - Oh, hey. - Yeah. - You know what's having a huge moment between you and Olivia this year? - I mean, Versailles, it's like popping off Vegas use. - True, yeah. - What happened? - Yeah. - No, but exciting, yeah. I mean, honestly, I had never been to Versailles when I wrote Versailles. - And now you have? - And then I knew it was on my list. That's the other thing is I had just watched what was it, Sofia Coppola's version of, yeah. A much prettier version of the history. But I was like, ooh, there is something so indulgent. - Yeah. - And sexy about the idea that you can just live for the sake of pleasure only. And I think we all guiltily want a day or two like that. - 100%. - And so this is sort of the whole concept. - And if it has a bad ending, whatever. We'll do it a bit later. - You know, yeah, yeah. - If your head rolls on the floor, after it gets chopped off. - Yeah, I know, that's why I'm like, not the real version. - It is funny to watch it be so like a Versailles. And then you like, you'd go into history and you're like, you know, this ended in a bloodshed. - We actually took the tour and it was so interesting to see that within the castle of Versailles where she had everything, she like wanted her little like cottage garden. So she could pretend to be like a peasant woman. - Yeah. - You're like, isn't that wild? You had everything and you just wanted like a simple life to pretend to like cause play at. - Totally. - Kind of wild. - And let's tell what rich people do. - Really? - She's like, they're like, I wanna go to Burning Man and just be covered in sand. - Yeah, but they end up not having that experience. - Right, they're in an RV. - They're in an RV. - I have never been to Burning Man. What's it like? - We've never done that. - You're broken up the wrong tree. - Yeah, I know. - We'll go to Coachella and be like, we're done after the second day. - Oh yeah, Coachella's a lot, but it's fun. - Have you been, you've been? - Yeah, I like to do a last minute Coachella. - Yeah. - It's like a big pay, let's plan and do a weekend of it. I'm more like someone's like, hey, last minute, do you wanna go or like a friend will be like, come see my side and we're like, all right. (upbeat music) - Sometimes the bud goes through a lot. When the bud speaks, we listen. - We sure do. Preparation H is the butt care expert and the number one doctor recommended brand, helping people get relief from hemorrhoids with competence. - Because let's be honest. - You know that moment when you're trying to focus on literally anything else in your butt is like, hi, excuse me. Yeah, that moment. 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Each week I bring on incredible guests like Conan O'Brien, Iowa Deppery, Lamor and Morris and Nicole Byr. Ooh, I scam them. What? I could talk to you for an hour. You're a generational yapper, like me, that's why I had to make yapping a job. And the scams run the gamut. I'm talking about scams from the 1800s all the way up to today. I also warn you and keep you safe against scammers. Call your grandparents, tell your parents to stop clicking on links, please. If there's a scam, I'm here to protect you. And I'm also here to laugh with you. So if you like fun, if you like comedy and you like learning and protecting yourself from criminals, start listening to scam goddess on the I Heart Radio App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you like every genre? I mean, what I mean by that is I can appreciate every genre, but I don't think that I listen to everything. Right, right, right, right. But I love exploring it. My husband's childhood friend has this screaming band. I don't even think that it did just make like vowel sounds, really. I was like, no, no, I was like, ah, but they're like, and he was like, come to my show. And it was one of the best shows I've ever been to. Yeah, I think I was, and I thought I was like, I'm going to blend in with this crowd. So I wore like, you know, darker colors, but everyone was like, just like, and I stuck out like a sore thought. Yeah, I just, I did. Energetically, you were probably right. I energetically was off and like, I was trying so hard, but I was fascinated. It was just, there's a lot of screaming, but like I felt whatever it's supposed to feel. Yeah, yeah. Between the smoke machines and like this, you know, the mosh pitting, I was like, kind of in, you know, yeah. So I think this is a gateway, like if you, after day and night, like, and a few years, if you were to release a metal album, okay, with dubstep, with dubstep, it's funny. You should say that. That's where I thought I was going to get numbed. Day, night and more. Day, night and more. Wait, literally though, I think metal and like, I'll lump that in with like scream adjacent singers. Yeah. Do have, do have control of their instrument in a way where I'm like, wow, because I was shown the disturbed cover of sound of silence. Okay. So disturbed, down with the sickness, those guys, yeah, sick, I'm so that was my best, it didn't damn it. That was good. That was it. That was it. Honestly, I felt like we were in the zoo. We were in the zoo. - I could settle it. - Yeah, it was really good. - See a true sample. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - What? (screams) - I want to cut, but you, but the business, they played, does anyone know what I'm talking, do the straight boys know what I'm talking about? Okay, but you know what I'm talking about. - Let's go. - So, sound of silence builds, it goes into a full vibrato at the end. Paul Simon heard it and was like, damn, these people. Like it is, we have to pay respects to these guys, to these men who might seem a little scary and dark and, but like I think they're, it's all coming from a place of like, on a musician. - Emotion. - Emotion. - Emotion. - Yeah, no, no, I mean, I. - I think you should explore it as all. - I've, nothing's off. - Nothing's off the table. - But I was gonna say, default, I think that, I can also appreciate, I think we all kind of, when we're like, that isn't for me, but it's really well done. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? Like, I don't necessarily love the genre, wouldn't put it on like in my life. Like what I think is a very hard thing to get right, is the mixture of country and pop. Like when it's clearly country, I'm like, down for some handquilions. - Right. - When it's like pop, pop, okay. But like pop, like Shania Twain? - Yeah, perfect. - Oh, down. How did you figure that out? - Right, right. - Me and Queen, yeah. - Is she your Canadian Queen? - She's one of them. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, absolutely. - I mean, Selena and Diana. - Yeah, Selena. - Thank you. - You mean, yeah. Like, that's the way it is. - The come on over album is exactly what we're talking about. It's perfect pop country. - Yeah. - It's like, and she would do, she would do like the red green version. - The red green version too. - She did like a, was it, she was Pokemon, it was up red version or up green version. - Green version. - She had the double album. - She did a double album. - Yeah, she did, it wasn't my idea. She was something happening with these double albums in the Canadian Queen. - I'm like, the Canadian Queen. - Spear, but I remember that. Well, she had like, like that member of that song, ♪ I'm gonna get you, if I got it in time ♪ - Gonna get you good. - Yes, yes, yes. - Red and green version. - So good. - So good. - Speaking of albums, I think this is a great time to ask you the culture question. Carly Rae Japson, what is the culture that made you say culture is for me? - Spice girls. - And I love why you gave this answer because you said it was what saved you and not saved you, but it was your escape in a house of James Taylor. - I mean, I mean, I can't all respect you, James Taylor. - Of course. - No, but I think you are the confersions of those two. I think you are James Taylor and Spice Girls combined. - Period. - That is maybe the greatest compliment I've ever received in my musical career. - I give it honestly. - I feel like I just need to like touch you. - Yeah, come back time, time, time, time. - I believe this to be true. - Oh wow, wow. - But like, speak on like that. - Well, I did, I grew up in like very folk influence houses. - Yeah. - So everything from Van Morrison, Joni Mitchell, Lauren Conwayne, like really good music. - Yeah. - Spraising the cat Stevens and then I heard the Spice Girls and it was like trying sugar for the first time after being given only really healthy food. And I was just so like, you know what I mean? - It was so amazing. - I was just like, - You were laughing. - like, wow. - And I also, I needed to like paint my nails all of a sudden and actually my legs and I just wanted to experience the joy and fun and silliness of choreographing to a Spice Girls song with my girlfriends until the wee hours. And wasn't that a time to be alive? - It really was. - Like the cherry chapstick come on. - Oh, come on. - Cherry chapstick. - There's this like a frivolity when people talk about like, girly pop. It's like, well God forbid women enjoy and do something. It's like, the Spice Girls, like for us, we're just like, I mean, we were miles and miles away from each other at that time. But we had the same exact response to it, which was, oh my God, the first time I read "Bliner Notes" was for those albums. - I just, I actually didn't even know their name. I had heard. the song on the radio at yes and I went to the record store and I said to the guy with like who had never and I was like there's this new band yeah I don't know what they're called but it's like tell me what you want which really but he was like right this way there was a day before they existed and then it's like put it in my veins yeah and I was very excited and I think my parents were like I don't know about this like what's happening to our daughter and I was like I don't know either yeah I don't get them yeah I don't get them yeah I like that so I guess that's it been in like a post Madonna world that's like there is a blueprint for that it's like it's just times five it's like these like empowered women but there's five of them and they're all representing a different thing and but the hooks of the like it's Max Martin at the end doing the Wizard of Oz thing that he does yeah make magic happen yeah okay like and like they I don't know well they really embodied it you know what I it's a hundred percent it makes sense that you say like this was formative for you because it's the same type of thing it's a real commitment yeah to having fun and having a good time but also in the music there were real messages I remember when I heard two become one and I was like wow they're really saying something like important about safe sex like that song in a way yeah they gave it the whole bridge like bridge I guess I think the highlight of my pride 2019 world pride in New York city before covid this was like the thing I held on to so tightly during the pandemic still do is a ties underline through a party he went from who do you think you are in to cut to the feeling and I was I've never good how beautiful yeah wow I love being in their playlist yes I just like being in the so tonight this is the sort of capital GG gay guy yeah he is gonna put Carly right in the playlist next to spice girls you have to know that every gay man we told that you were coming was like can you please just tell her I was like I know how important it's like we're meeting the Pope like everyone's like tell her that my family is that and can see our Jay prey on us and she prey on us but I want to ask the classic who were you at the time who which spice girl and then who were at the time and who are you now if that's changed I mean weren't we all baby at the beginning we were all baby because like we wanted the lollipop he's tailed and like we didn't really understand any like sexual and you end oh yeah like what that meant it was more just like I'm the baby she was a nice star to point but then at some point casually I don't know why I would think my father had a authority on this but he said that he thought Jerry Spice was like the brains behind the business like the business woman and I'm like I always was like well I want to bring you the brains yeah of course so I I'm ginger I switch like I want to be ginger spice because I want to I want to own the operation yes well she was the one that was really coming out and being like listen feminism girl power I carry the message I am wearing the flag but what I have questions about now it's like where did my father get this intel she has exactly a realness he just exactly a real well she was like with the face of it yeah I think she really was like the spokesperson in the sense of like they would pass the mic to her a group interview setting maybe but wait is your dad like a music buff like does he like yeah well like but yes I mean absolutely well so then maybe I think he just probably had this general curiosity about like who are these people like what are they about yeah no but anyways it ensilded me yeah I wanted to be in the business of music as well first time being a redhead right now actually second you no one saw it but I was a redhead when I was Cinderella on Broadway under a wig so no one could see it was just me living my little you were in redhead in Greece you were French you were French I was I had a black kind of mullet thing going growing out oh this was doing it so then I just had all the pink wigs and yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah pink wig that's right pink and orange there was a lot of there was a pineapple I mean she was a beautiful dropout she was she really kind of the joy of friendship it's good to wear that's that's maybe like I think it's like the the secret favorite number of the show Tom kit he is working on 10 things okay this is a perfect style everything we got to ask what can you tell us about 10 things I hate about you the musical this is crazy Lena Dunham and Carlyway Johnson it's crazy Lena Dunham and you if this is this is like real everyone's gonna explode but where how did it come about have you always loved it like it's like a whole little team of Avengers to be honest because I also like my writing partner on the music side of it is Ethan Graska do you guys know he's been he's like huge he's like and he's just like his voice in his own right when we're ready little characters I'm like oh my god it's amazing to hear he's come together and then Jessica Wong and Lena Dunham and then obviously do you know Christopher Wilden he is like oh my gosh I have such a creative crush on him he's our director and choreographer he's like comes from the world of ballet so he's bringing like a whole bunch of a director choreographer is a really smart thing because it's incredible yeah it's such a huge advantage to a production and then Tom kit is our musical director it's just it is really so dreamy Mike my boss and I brought us all together and it's like which is in the room kind of I'm sort of still doing that like am I allowed to be here how did this happen oh my god oh my god but it's such a dream project because what a cult classic I mean and then to be able to think about when and how music participates in this story it's just so exciting 10 things I hate about you is having it's like cultural re-emergency again I feel because Julia Stiles is on dancing with the stars and I feel like she is gonna tear it up and like I mean say glass yeah for her table moment oh yeah she was oh she was oh she was an affiliate the modern off oh oh oh oh oh oh yeah yeah the modern Ophelia I didn't and well I guess I thought I'll do it now neither a story about like a raging woman yeah that hasn't the good exciting was catch tradford important for you in seeing the movie when you first saw it oh I mean you yes it was so exciting to see a woman just kind of like that who is so comfortable in her own power and we didn't really give a shit about what anyone thought of her that was just like come on like we were saying the other day like I was talking about this with some people and we were talking about how Julia Stiles always carried like an intelligence and a maturity even when she was really young like she was young in those movies of course and she always seemed like older like she was perfect casting for that because she had so much wisdom I agree you know what else that we were doing a Google search of the ages of some of these actors when the because we watched the movie now of a bajillion times yes he fledger was 17 yeah that makes no sense he seemed like he was in his like because you would ask older people to play teams but that was not one no no no no no no it's wow you need must have been well like 15 like yeah actually forget the number of that one but right yeah crazy yeah yeah it is such an important it was my first exposure to Alison Janney oh wow like you're gonna you're gonna like it's just there's just so many good characters in that cause it's Shakespeare but it's like I don't know like that's that's the other thing is it's Shakespeare and and we forget that it's like based out the team on the show but that is part of the fun too it's just like me and all those those bits together it's a lot to play oh what is he singing the risers I love you no it's yeah well yeah but it's can't keep my eyes off of you yeah yeah that's what that's what the song is um which make me you don't have to confirm tonight if you're using that but just I think everyone's holding your breath for and this is not to add pressure but it's like I'm sure there will be a number of her reading the the the song or to the poem or whatever at the oh my god oh something yeah can I their confirm or deny I like I should just start saying that a lot yeah I can't confirm or deny cuz you gotta come and see it I know please everyone's but is there like a target at opening for it do we know I think pretty much like a year for now it's our target yeah so you're like here but you're in it right now in a way oh I've been in it for yeah they take a long time they take a long time but it's it's it's crucial to get right it's an art from the so important to oh yeah so yeah it's been it's so fun too because in my world I like get into like an album and I'm like okay like what do I wear it's my world right now and this is such a different thing because you're you're getting to kind of I've never really gotten to write for like men before yeah it's really fun to like think about how different people would I don't go through something fuck boy you should see our text that's like you're like we're like oh I've dated this guy oh yeah yeah yeah yeah what have I great textors not to brag but she's she's a good text she has a good text no it's good um just cold give you insights on men oh yeah I mean cool I mean I think I married him because he's probably not like other men I say and the best way possible but not that I mean, I love men. But cause just like, - Men. - It's like, but-- - I'm left man. - What happened? - But he's, I don't think he takes in exactly the same way in a way that he thinks, which is really surprising. - Well, he's a creative man. - He's a creative guy, yeah, and he's a gentle soul. - What's his sign? - He's a Pisces. - I am too, what is yours? - Oh, I'm a Scorpio. (gasps) - Hey. - Scorpio Caini. - This is good. - Are we allowed to celebrate 'cause I heard that we're like the worst sign? - No, here's the thing. - Don't believe that. - No, no, no, no, don't believe that. - I just got a reading from Column of Dell, Queer Cosmos, it's like Scorpio's a sign of privacy regulation. - Okay. - And so it's like you get to treat, you get to have this, and I feel like that's your thing. - Okay, yeah, yeah. - I think you've kept such a healthy distance, and especially, this is not me opening up the conversation, but it's like I think with the way that you and Cole are like keeping your family life to yourselves is like, and I have a million things to say about this, but it's like part of that, is so indicative of this. Scorpio's and Gemini's, they're both in my chart all over the place, and people clutch their damn pearls, and I'm like enough. - It's enough, that's quite enough. - I feel like when I've ever done the quick search but it's like power hungry, competitive. And I'm like, I don't mean, those things are true. - You're just doing, and they're also not negative. - Not negative. - But more like, I mean, I picked ginger spice because she ran the show, and I was like, oh God. - She push about wanting control. - Creative. - Exactly. - Control. - Exactly. - That's important. - And also, because when you know you have something to give, it's not a bad thing to seek out a stage to give that. That's actually-- - That's a sweet thing to say. - I think that what your music really does, and I like, again, I come to you like, we come to you as fans of yours for like over a decade now, but you provide such an amazing emotional landscape. Like, I was listening to, I decided today I had to walk to the studio, even though it was a little muggy and hot because I was like, I need to be stomping the streets to Carly Rae. Like, you fill our lives with a lot of like very vivid, of course, I'm going to say, emotion, just the vortex of emotions, and that is true. - That's, I feel like I could cry. And I don't mean that it's just hearing that. It's so sweet, and it's funny. I think why I feel like, oh, about it is the truth of it is, I remember feeling when I was little, and I think we all felt this way. Almost like our emotions were like these things that were bad. Like, we're like needed to be tamed. Like, did you go up in a house where a little bit like, it was almost like rude if you-- - Canadiens may have different answers to this. - Big of a thing, and I don't think my parents meant anything bad by it. But it was sort of just this almost like, you have to careful when something gets out of hand. And I think that there's truth to that. I think as an adult, you should be able to control a little bit of how you move through the life. But I feel like music is this beautiful place where you don't have to. And I'm so lucky I found it, because I can let things run wild. And then to hear you say that there's like a connectivity to it where you're like, I get it to sometimes. Because I feel like we all have little mini soap operas happening inside our hearts. And it's just nice to like go there sometimes, right? - Of course. - I want you to love now that I found you more. - No. - We love it up from here! - When you come in with that like, like, likey choices, my friends. - I just, yeah, honestly, they're so smart, they're so musical. The way that you jump around in your music, it's surprising, it feels euphoric. And also one of my favorite songs of yours is party for one. - Of course. - I love party for one. I actually wrote down, I was, of course, listening to everything. 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I don't know, I think I sort of foe journaling. - Yeah, it's reading, it's called reading. - So you're, so we don't like to use that word anymore. - Okay, a panel of New Yorker cartoonists. - Have you guys done Terry Gross's Peloton class? - No! - I've been dying too. - I'm so sorry, I'm seeing a reading of Sadako in the Thousand Paper Cranes by Auderman Donald at the Wonderland Book Store, 14. - That's crazy. I went to the Wonderland Book Store yesterday and I heard Nora Jones do a reading of Zero Doctor 30. - No way. - Patrick of the last bookstore though, Kim Control is reading the guitar tabs. - Oh, but yesterday. - A panel of Eurovision participants. - And we do a little Halloween sometimes. - Does the Pope dress up? - He, he winks on Halloween. - It's right up next to the microphone. - I hear, you'll get the bubbles here, the eyelashes, hate each other. - You've never seen Italy so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween. - Listen to artists on artists on artists, on the iHeard Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. - I was asked in an interview the other day, and they're like, "What did you mean when you said "making love to myself?" And I was like, I was like, I was like, I did not answer, but I would like to, yes. - Jilling off. - You're jilling off. - Quite clearly. - Yeah. - We have to spell it out. - Well, it's because some people, they just, you know, they want the sound bite currently. - Oh, I see. - They want the sound bite. - Oh, you have to hear now. There you go. - Well, you don't even have to say jilling off. We did that for you. - Yeah, thank you. - But they won't say that. - Yeah. - Wait, wait, do you smell that? - I don't have to smell that. - It smells like, like, chickery. - I'm concerned you're gonna have a stroke. - That's what I am. - I feel very scared. - I know. - Whatever, it's fine. - I feel worried. - Now that I found you, no, it's fine, it's fine. Don't worry, everybody, it's fine. Now that I found you, I think maybe, do you feel a certain way about it because it was used as like promo for something else? - What was it used for? - The Queer I season three. - Oh, that's the bad. - I know. - That makes me love it more. - Of course, the Queer. - I love it, yeah. - They get along. - I started to drown. - Oh God, there's so much drama with those gaze all the time. - All the time. - Don't worry about the drama. - Don't worry about that. It doesn't concern you about the drama. - I don't know about the drama on. - You don't know about the drama. - Well, it feels like you opened up the Instagram and there's always new drama with those queer eyes. - Like you're making it up? - It's like a vortex of drama. - A vortex. - I smell, chickery. Like it's cold, like New Orleans style cold brew. - Okay. - What the hell? - I don't know, whatever. - What the hell? - I don't know. - Chickery. - Chickery. - Chickery. - Okay. - Oh, no, just look it up. - Could it be like you got chockery? - No. - Okay, now it is that. - Okay, we're gonna reveal. - Oh, no, you would like that actually. - Yeah, you should actually. - Actually, that's really good. - Oh, oh man. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You get the chockery smell out of you. - Okay, yeah, yeah, don't we do it. - Yes, please. - Yeah, do it. - This is the time we revealed to you what the secrets are. - There was secrets happening during the episode. - Shoot, I missed it. No, no, no, that's that's the point my mind was was really crazy. - Was it that you were smelling? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh, okay. - He kind of leaned on it. He leaned on it very hard at the end and I did, 'cause I forgot to interspersed it throughout and I was like, wait, that's just, I can't do it. - Oh, and I love you just thought you were like, maybe you need to be in the hospital. - I need medical attention. - Yeah, okay, go, go, go, go. - Okay, what was mine? What was my weird thing that I was doing the whole time? - I snuck it in. - I really don't know. - I really overused the word vortex. - Oh, okay, I see it now. - Yeah. - But I didn't see it. - I was sneaky about it. This is a new bit we're doing. - I love it. - Yeah, I'm really bad at it. - We did this like Christmas with my parents. - Oh yeah, what was it? - I think we saw it online and it was, I think it was my sister-in-law's idea. Where we would just, we all of us, my brother, my sister and all of our partners, we'd each have a different line that we would try with our parents to see if our parents would notice. - Did they? - My sister's was to keep saying, I think we saw somebody do this on, we thought it was funny, but my sister's was to keep saying, I have an announcement. (laughing) And then she would never announce anything. - Pretty baby bloated. - And my brothers was to do like a slow clap. - Just had a few people. - And then we were all supposed to participate in the clap for no reason. - And your parents would be like, that's weird. - And they were just clapping too. Sometimes it's a very confused. - What was yours? You'd be sure you were maybe yours. - What was mine? I think of Harrison's and mine was a combination of talking about whether or not aliens were real or not. But just like constantly. - So these are all things that you've named, that are immensely noticeable. Like a slow clap. (laughing) - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, now it's my fault. - Or like you would know that there was a trickery smell. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I think your game is better. I think we like ripped on ours from something when we saw what we thought it was funny. - Well, let's just stop for a second and actually answer that question. Are there aliens? - Yeah. - Oh, I mean, you're asking me? - Yeah. - What do you think? - I'm asking you. - I mean, on earth or like in the world, I mean in the universe? - Sounds like you want us to answer. - Oh, no, no, no, I'm not asking that. - No, I'm asking that, that specific question. 'Cause I don't know if I think that they're on the earth. - Right. - But in the universe. - Yeah, yeah, you think they're on. - That sounds exciting. - Yeah, I want you to not think about the universe. - Okay. - 'Cause I feel like that's a cop out for everyone. 'Cause I always say, well, surely there's other life out there. - Okay, yeah, that is a good, I was gonna say that I'm glad I didn't know. Because, yeah. - We're talking about. Are they here and potentially in the room? - Are they in the room? - Oh, oh. - It's Becca. - Surely you've met, it's Becca. - She's an alien. - I'm sure you've met people where you're like, "That's an alien." - I think that, I feel like that more about vampires. - Yeah. - But this person has not aged at all. - She's a vampire. - I think that a lot. - I don't have any names. - No, you don't have to. - Well, maybe you're a vampire. - My girlfriend Molly. (laughing) - Yeah, she's a vampire. - Well, I hope you enjoyed those secrets. - I didn't, thank you. - Because it's not, it's running all the way up to the line and to prank culture, which we are not a fan of. - Well, have you ever had a guest chew it on you? - Not yet. - You're only our third guest we've tried this on. - Yeah. - So they just like say some, you know, I wish I had known. I could have. - But here's what I'll say. This is the first time that we've gotten the secrets past the guest. - Oh, so I'm the dumbest? - No, no, no, no, no. - Because I think I honestly know. - But it just means we're getting better at it. (laughing) - We're getting better at it. - We're getting better at it. - Okay, you aren't very good. - Yeah. - Yeah. - The choice of on. It was I was calling him TRO, casually. - Oh, okay. - And then Matt would say the word correct to move. - Correct to move. - Do. - And then with our previous guest, Spike, I'm my known honey pluton. I'd chickened out of mine. Mine was originally gonna be saying vortex. - Okay. - And then Matt's, would she execute it a few times, was like trying to just fly in the room? That wasn't there. - I like that, I like that. - And they were like, we don't see it. And I was like, I don't know what to say. - I like it, I like it a lot. - Okay, I want to try to catch them before I'm gonna, I'm gonna, this is my new game. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And you can play on home too. - You play it too. - Yeah. - This is why we don't reveal in total. - Actually, it's a good idea. And then people can like say the second that they got it. - Yeah, exactly. - You got it correct, like I got it at 12 seconds. - Yeah. - I got it at a minute. - There's no prize or anything. - Ooh. - There's no prize. - No. - You know what, you want one of these? - Yes, I will. - Take that. - Take that. - Monday. - Monday. - Monday. - Monday. - Good night. - Good night. - Good night. - Good night. - September 18th. - September 18th, it's so damn good. - It's your Opus. - Oh wow, thank you. - It is the, it is this. - I feel like I came here today and I'm just gonna leave with like red cheeks, you're being very sweet. Thank you so much. - Well, we love you. And honestly, despite, we have good news about Spice Girls culture too, because isn't Spice World gonna be available to stream soon? - They've been saying this for years. - They've been saying for a very long time. - Are you kidding me? - No, because you-- - The BHS, I owned that. - And it's like, you can't watch it if you want to watch it. Like, it's crazy. It's like not out there. - I recently introduced my niece Ivy to the Spice Girls. And when we did our little like dance performance, I was like, I have something you might like. - Oh, yes. - It was really fun to see her discovering my, my one joy as a child, you know. - Did it hit? - It hit. Yeah, yeah, she got, she also, she also did come to me and say, and to Carly, I know a song that you know and saying, "Call me, maybe, to me." And that was very weird. 'Cause I was like, I've had a lot of people do this cover, but you weren't born. This is wild. She's like, "Do you know it?" I'm like, "I'm familiar." I know it. - I know it. - I know it very well. - I know that one. So just to speak on that song, because it's one of the biggest songs of all time, casually, when you were writing that, do you feel like I don't know to do it? - Keep it, keep it. - Put it wherever, you know. When you were writing that song where you like, there's no way. Or were you like, "There's a way." - Oh gosh. Well, I mean, I don't know how to answer it totally. You've to understand there's something embarrassing about the answer, because I had some wild confidence about myself when I was a child that I was just gonna be a singer. I didn't realize how hard it might be. I just really felt like this was in the cards for me. And then I remember, I was little orphan Annie in my elementary school and on mission, a small, small town in Canada called Mission. And on closing night, I remember saying to my parents, "What if I'm just this child star?" (laughing) - What if I just. - What if that was my kid? - Oh my god. - And they were like, "Nobody knows who you are." And they were like, "I like really, I was like, oh god." - Like it's over for me now. But then I guess my point is that when you're like, did call me, like I had been trying so hard. And every song I was like, could this be the thing? Could this be the thing? I hope this is the thing. But hoping this was the thing was just like, I hope I made it into the top 10 in Canadian radio. - Right, right, right. - The idea of breaking it out into the world was like this whole other, like I don't know, like future, dream, not a reality that felt tangible. So the fact that it exploded and then like brought me into other countries in such a way. And like opened the whole wide world to me 'cause I had really never even traveled significantly before this. So all of a sudden boom, yeah, it was boom. It was so, no, to answer your question in a simpler way, I had no idea that that's what we were making. And how could you? It was like being hit by lightning. - 'Cause you talk to some people and they're like, yeah, when we had this song, we knew it was the single, it would perform, et cetera. But with Callie, maybe it's such an interesting case because it feels like one of those songs that everyone heard and they're like, yeah. And then it was like the second, the fourth time it was like, oh, it's a monster smash and sneaky. I love a sneaky song. But I also think it was a lot of just luck too with the timing of things. 'Cause I feel like you can have a song and it doesn't totally happen that way. I feel like we were, we had so many things in our corner, Justin Bieber being one of them. - Yeah, we're totally. And then when Twitter was kind of, you know, just becoming what it was at the time. And when Tweet, it was just like wildfire happening. And I kind of was like caught at the end of the theory of it. Yeah, and it was, it still is like one of those wild things where like, what a roller coaster. - Yeah, it's really, yeah. - Well, I just remember, it's one of those songs where to me, I was like, this is going, well, I don't know that it's going to be, I have no foresight until like, this is going to be massive. But I just knew that this is a perfect pop song. Before it even hit the chorus. - What? - In the pre-chorus, as soon as I heard, - Hmm. - Hot night when was blowing, Rip Jean Skin was showing. As soon as I heard that lyric, I was like, something is happening. James Taylor meets Spice Girls. - James Taylor meets Spice Girls. - I really feel this way. When you said that answer, I was like, oh, that's so funny. I love when people sort of tell on themselves. - Wow. - And it's like the songwriter impulse and your folk background with the desire to go for it and have fun. Really do meet and make you, - Hey, but you just touched on a thing that I love, which I don't ever really talk about. But the act of being the pursuer, like the person who is the bold one, to actually step out and say that you like somebody. - I like you. - Or that you want somebody. Even if they don't react well, that feeling when you're so emboldened to step outside of yourself and do something brave, I think is a really powerful energy. That runs throughout all your stuff. - Well, have you done that in life? Have you ever been the person who's like, I'm just doing the-- - I'm trying to be more now. - So proud of yourself even if you bomb. - Get this. - You do, right? - Not truly true. - You're never like, I'm an idiot. [BLANK_AUDIO] - I did that, thank you. - Well, here's the thing, it's important you say that because I think we should feel like that more because I feel like in today's kind of world where everything's even podcasts now, we're on camera now. It all feels like it gets a little bit harder when everyone feels so visible, but we shouldn't lose that impulse to go, to want. - I mean, yes, you're so excited, you're mic is so much fun, but I agree with you. - I really think that there's something exciting about that. It makes you feel very alive. It makes you kind of know your own kind of power. And I don't think that anybody ever sees it other than like kind of like, wow. You know, you can't not be complimented even if you're not interested, you're like, well, thank you. - Well, this is the thing about shame, which is like, I think people, there's a fear of doing that because there's like an expectation of shame afterwards, but like ever since the comeback season three, ever since the final scene where she's like, "Oh, I don't feel humiliated." You have to agree to be humiliated, and I never signed up. - I love that. - It's never signed up for it. I genuinely, like, from Call Me Maybe, run away with me, and like, basically, I'm just like, these are all songs that are like, like, that are imploring. It's like, I'm doing something, and it's up to you. It's like, Call Me Maybe, run away with me. Like, like, take me to the feeling. I want to cut to the feeling. It's all proactive and like, affirmative. It is all like, affirmative in the way that it's like, I'm doing something to push this along. - And I think, I don't know about you, but in my actual personal life, I remember the moments with such joy where I did step outside my comfort level to go and do something. - Wild, do you know what I'm talking about? - Of course I do. - Yeah, it's like, it's because it's unfortunately, it feels rare. - It's rare, yeah, yeah. - It's kind of interesting too to think about you as a musical theater writer now because you write so much from I want. So, and I'm gonna do that, that's like very propulsive. And so that makes it even more exciting to know that's something that you're gonna-- - That's the thing that's so fun about a musical is you're looking at a story. And you're like, when are words not enough? When words aren't enough and it needs to be sung, it's like, that's sort of an important time for it to begin. - Yeah. - You know, and they're like, I don't know, that's, I can't, you guys have to come. - No, of course we are, we are literally already there. - But it's even like Cat Stafford is like not someone who says, I want too much, you know what I mean? - Yeah, she talks a little bit more about what she doesn't want for sure. But I think she has some desire. - Because underneath, there's so much there's so much. - There's so much, there's so much. - Yeah, but before we move into, I don't think so honey, I have one last question to ask you, which is, what do you recall about and what was your experience as a Canadian idol contestant? - Oh, great question. I remember the night before, you line up in a mall for the beginning, right? You line up in a mall to audition. So it's like a fairly humiliating start, which I think is a good introduction. - Yeah. - Because it's like, are you ready to sit in this feeling a little bit publicly? - But the truth is, I'm so glad I did it. I don't think anything else would have happened in my life had I not said yes to that. And a little bit of the sign up of some, you know, public humiliation is that you, you kind of are like, do I have the skin for this? Like can I handle? It's like a kind of a good sort of university round of like, okay, I know how I feel by myself and other people can have, and I had a fairly nice run, to be honest. - You came in third? - Yeah, but I feel like I kind of got the cake and eat it too 'cause you get that exposure and then you also don't have the contract and then you can kind of go and do what you want with it after. So it was like very, very perfect for what I needed, but the actual ability to stand on stage and be like, all right, and then be publicly judged. You either are down or you're not. And I think I learned pretty quickly that I like, I was like, oh, this is rough, but I came out of it being like, okay, I know something about myself, like I can kind of a little bit of boast. I can handle it, but I have to like be careful how I move forward. And I think that's also scripted sort of how I move through the music business is like a little less leaning into the celebrity and a little bit more hopefully into the artistry of stuff. And I will do-- - Obviously regulation, Scorpion. - Yeah, a little bit, yeah, just for my comfort of it, 'cause I can't handle too much of it, but I also understand that it goes hand in hand with what if you wanna share the music, you know. - Yeah, totally. - That's why it's nice to do this, because this is nice. (laughing) - Well, the thing is like, we're just so happy that you're here because like truly, I mean, we mentioned at the top of the episode, but it's been 10 years of us doing this podcast. We're now at 10 and a half years. - That is well, congratulations. - Thank you, and like, but you have been such a constant throughout the entire thing. And with so many guests coming in, like talking about, like, I mean, you and like how much your music, like has soundtrack to last decade and just truly, I mean, it's a real thing to say thank you for everything you've given us. (upbeat music) - I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of The What Happened to Her Podcast. We're kicking off the season with the Sandra Birchmore story, a case the police wrote off as a suicide in a snow storm. 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I don't know, I think I sort of faux journaling. - So we don't like to use that word anymore. - Okay. - A panel of New Yorker cartoonists. - No! - I'm so sorry, I'm seeing a reading of Sudako in the Thousand Paper Cranes by Audrement Donalds at the Wonderland Bookstore, 14th. - That's crazy, I went to the Wonderland Bookstore yesterday and I heard Nora Jones do a reading of Zero Dark 30. - No way. - We'll have to come to the last bookstore though. - He winks on Halloween. - He gets right up next to the microphone. - I hear you get the elbows here, the eyelashes hit each other. - You never seen Italy so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween. - Listen to artists on artists on artists on artists. - Yeah, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. - I almost forgot to tell you, and I just have to do it now and I'm a little nervous. - Okay, okay. - It's fine. - I'm kind of excited. - It's just my, so when I submitted my tape for SNL, - Yeah. - You send it to tape and then you get called in for a showcase round, which is in front of an audience. - Crazy. - And you, you know, you do all these characters and there's blackouts and there's like music in between each, you know, costume change, or you're like switching wigs and stuff. And people. people had different like, you know, people picked like four tracks where, you know, oh these are my songs and blah, blah, blah. Every single one of my blackout tracks was the beginning of "Run Away With Me." And by the end, people were just like, haha, like, oh my god, it's this guy. And like, and that was like one of the most like thrilling days of my life because I like, I did really well and it'd be able to do the next round. And I was like, I just associate you with that night. That was like quite, you know, pivotal for me, where it was just "Run Away With Me, Run Away With Me, Run Away With Me, Run Away With Me." And I was like, oh my god, Carly was like in the room, you know what I mean? Like, it's just a dovetail in my mind saying, it's like, it's incredibly meaningful. It's like an important song for you as the performer too. Like, I was just flipping all you want to hear in the blackout while you're putting a new wig on or something is a song that you love that's going to like push forward, you know. I feel like it's a very important energy right before you go on stage. I used to actually try, it was funny because my band and I would always go on stage and dance before. And then we'd go and run and, you know, have a little handshake and go. But one time we decided we were going to change up the energy and like, you know, be calm. We were going to meditate together. We had the sleepiest show for our kids. Sometimes that's dangerous. We do not do that everywhere we go. We got to dance again. Like, move meditation to after the show. That's right. During the cool down. Yeah, exactly. It was like a 10 minute bad idea. Oh my god. I'm sure it was just great. What also is going to be great is that I don't think so honey. This is our segment of the show where we pop off for 60 seconds about something that deserves it in culture. I have something, I think you might like this. It's about a word. Okay. I love that. I enjoy the word vortex as we've seen. But I'm ready to go. Okay. This is, I don't think so honey. And oh, sorry. I don't know why I opened my camera. Okay. Here we go. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so honey. And it's time starts now. The word extravaganza. Oh, I have decided it's a bit too much. No, it's just the gongza of it all. Like I don't know where the root of the word extravaganza comes from. It probably just comes from etymology in drag race. No, and I think, by the way, I think that that's where it comes from. And I think that RuPaul's drag race should continue to use the word extravaganza. And I love it for Ru. But the other day, it was described actually to talk about my Christmas show, which is on sale right now and pre sale and it goes on sale September 10th. So please come. But it was described as an extravaganza. And I'm like, can we just call it an event? The word extravaganza, I think it sort of announces a bit too much and extravaganza. I mean, as I'm doing it right now, I'm like, should it take that much mouth energy to say the what it is, which is just like fun time extravaganza. It's extravaganza. That's one minute. Very good. I just like was I saw it in in word and I was like, I don't know. You convinced me. Yeah. You convinced me. It's too much. Yeah. It's extravaganza. Or I can only be used when it really is that thing. Exactly. Like don't call something extravaganza. And then I show up in it's like some streamers and balloons. I was promised the next extravaganza. No, no, exactly. Exactly. It can fall flat really fast. Yeah. But I just want to clarify you point of clarification. Yeah. You think extravaganza comes from drag race. I was being a little. I'm sorry. I should have been. I was being a little, you know. I've just been extra. No, I don't. But I wouldn't like to know, Becca, can you look up the etymology of the word extravaganza? Is it Spanish? Italian? Italian. Oh, extravaganza. That makes sense. Okay. All right. I'm sorry. I thought it wasn't made up word that late. I thought it was like a made-expectacular. But it's a real word and I apologize to the mission of Italy. What? There you go. You should I think you I think you want to take your beef to the word hallowabaloo. You think so. I think that's what you're I think that's what you take. On the next episode. On the next episode. I actually love hallowabaloo. I think you should try to sneak that in as the game. Yeah. Oh, this is actually great. You're starting this new tradition, which is the guest gives us the game for the next episode. I mean, I don't know if that's causing some chaos. No. Yeah. No, you like it. Call us chaos. Oh, I like this. This is the best podcast. Clip it. Clip it. That's our that's that's on the poster. Are you ready to do I don't think so, honey, the segment? I'm ready and people. People are going to come for my ass for this. Okay. Yeah. Well, Bowen is hot today. Um, here we go. This is Bowen Young's. I don't think so, honey. Suggested donation at a museum that is also hidden from view on the signage at admissions and ticketing. These museums, not I'm not talking the small ones where you know, they don't, they don't get super endowed for a lack of a better word. But some of these museums, you got to print the suggested donation word a little bit bigger on the signage for the tickets because guess what? You're getting budget millions of dollars from all these old money folks. And I can pay a quarter without being fooled into paying $20 to see a painting. I love museums so much. I think we should really think of them more as libraries. I think I walked into the New York Public Library at Bryan Park and I had a lovely time going around walking through the different rooms and I went, whoa, I got it. I got to come here here for free because guess what? A lot of rich people put in a lot of money during Gallows season and I think suggested donations. If you really want to hide that concept, is it a little bit tricky? That's one minute. I'm not saying people don't have to pay money. I'm just saying you should print the word suggested donation bigger. That's all. It's a font thing. It's a font thing. It's a font thing. It's often a font thing. It is, it is. He's very visual. It's the language. You just need to say it costs a dollar. There we go. Perfect. I got a dollar. Here you go. That's all I'm saying. It's not a suggestion. It's actually mandatory. But the donation is the part that is. Because it's a donation, it's like, well, then I don't have to do. It's out of the kindness of my heart that I'm giving you a dollar. It's quite manipulative. If they said this is a one-dollar extravaganza, you would be like, I'm in. Let's go. I'd be like, can we just call it a museum? Can we just call it a museum? What's the whole of the blue? Thank you, thank you guys for being on that journey with me. I was like, oh, as I was doing, it's like, this doesn't make any sense. No, we got there. We got there. We got there. It's a safe place. Do you have something to tear up? I'm nervous. It's the first thing that comes to mind. It's probably slightly controversial. I think that's the perfect recipe. Okay, go. Okay. This is Carlyway Jepsen's. I don't think so. Honey, her time starts now. Okay, so I got kicked out of a book club because I know. I know. And the reason is because I just. I wanted to get it. I didn't get it. I made some insensitive jokes. Can you know that the type. Do you know the type of book where it's like kind of a romance fantasy, like fairies? Yeah, what is that called? Quarter Thorns and Roses. Oh, we're man to see. Yeah, we're man to see. Okay. So it has all the ingredients I should like. Yeah, 30 seconds. But somehow, when I'm reading, I like to embody the character. Totally. You know, pretend I'm her. And I'm with her. I'm with her for the fighting. I'm with her for the journey and the cold. And then we get to the room and all this anticipation is coming. She's finally going to get with the guy. And then he has a wink. Yeah, not horny. Or like scales or claws. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm. It takes me out. You can't go there. I just. I can't. I lost my. You know. Can't go to that feeling. And yet. And so my jokes don't land. Because I don't think everybody else gets taken out. But then I have follow-up questions. Okay. And that's one minute. Well, we have so much to ask you. So, first of all, do you feel comfortable sharing one of the jokes and trying them on us? I would have to put. I mean, I really got kicked out. But like. But with love. They were like, you're yucking our yum. Yeah, yeah, yes. And then I hate to be that person. No. So I'm like, give me your ex. I'll try again. But I just. But it's done. Then I get another joke and then I can't help myself. So this is. And this is actually another thing I want to really open up here. Is that book clubs across the world can be one of the most toxic, relational spaces ever. There's a lot of hierarchy. Because I was just talking to a friend of ours. And he was saying, and I can't speak for the other person who. A gay man who is auditioning to be part of a gay book club. Oh, wow. There's a vetting system. Where all these men are like, we want to see if you're the right fit. It's like, wait a minute. Intellectual hierarchy. It's like, hold on. It's the opposite of what Carly right would want. Well, the only thing you don't want to is that person who's like, not finished the book. That's fine. And I have the most opinions. So I understand. I respect and feel a little relief that I'm no longer in the book club. I was just the joke's girl. But you know what, though? You creating abundance. You were putting clay on the mound. You were giving them stuff to talk about if they couldn't handle it. They have since started a podcast, which is fat, they're all in a pain. It's serious. So they're competition to us now so they can't support them. Just in the middle of the same thing. But yeah, yeah. Well, 'cause you're on that bustle podcast when I stand talking about reading. - Oh, it wasn't that one, but yes. - No, no, no, no, that's it, that was the podcast. - We're gonna try that one. - Just read it, just read it. - But that was you talking about your reading happens and the fact that like, and I relate to this, like you have seasons of reading where you're like, I love, I'm-- - I'm a book girl and then yeah, I'm not mad at all of the sudden. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I'm like that, I've got my spurts. - Yeah. - But anyway. - Are you guys in a spurt right now where you're reading anything? - I had a great summer of reading, genuinely dead. - I still would say probably my main thing is, I'm reading like baby food for my son. - Well, you got it, you know what? - I'm reading like, you know, information. - You're reading, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Keep the kid a lot. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, important. - Yeah, important. - Yeah. - But yeah, I mean, they're, they're yummy, you're yuck. 'Cause you're like, okay, I'm into it, I'm into it, I'm horny. - Is that a thing though? - Well, I'm making a thing. - I like it. - They're yummy, you're yuck. - Where you're like, whoa. - Honestly, it's a real culture. It's real culture number 13, yuck my yuck. - Yuck my yuck. - Yuck my yuck. - You're giving my yuck. - Oh, I like it very much. - Wings? - Yuck. Like fairy wings, like that reminds me of bugs. I fucking hate those things. - I think I just have to read it differently. I have to read it not as like, I am not one of these characters. This is a fantasy world. We're different. - But then you have to be invested because it's fantasy, 'cause otherwise, there's no tether to reality. - Have you seen the shape of water? - I know, I haven't. - It's one of the horniest times a woman has been for a fish. Like she wants to fuck the fish very badly. And then an Octavia Spencer got an Oscar nomination for noticing that. - Our friend George Severus has a joke in his standup where he was like, basically Octavia Spencer just goes, "Do you want to fuck the fish?" That's act one. - Act two is, you're gonna fuck that fish. - That's act two. - And act three is, you fucked that fish. (laughing) - I don't know if I do or don't want to see this any other way. - She's supportive of it. - She's like, girl, you fucked that fish. (laughing) - And there you go. - This conversation was gonna go to some places, but I did not know that this was gonna be real. - We were looking out. - We were looking out, we were looking out. - Yeah, yeah, I opened the door. - Yeah, no, we're so glad you did. - And we're so happy you walked in the door and came and sat on the couch and spoke with us. We love you so much if you can't tell. - I'd like to be back. - Thank you for everything and for just creating this opus day and night, which is out September 18th. - Thank you. - Check it out. And there's a tease for something coming that not even we know about. So stay tuned. - Oh yeah. - Oh yeah, that. - Something that may or may not be able to be said. - Okay. - Any last words for the gay men who are listening to this podcast? (laughing) - Oh, don't come at me for not understanding and vent to see it, so sorry. - No, they're with you. - I want you guys to come to, I want you to come to the musical, but I mostly want you to come to party with us next year when we go tour. - Absolutely. - I feel like that's, I feel like we need to celebrate each other. - There is a tour. - There's a tour. - A tour. - Is this breaking? - No, it's not breaking, but it's coming. - It's coming, of course. - It's coming, of course it's coming. - I was listening to that album and I was just like, this is gonna be so amazing. - Not seeing home for this album. - No way. - Oh, that's the thing. - You're bringing in the baby. - We're bringing it all. Baby's hitting the road. - Baby's hitting the road. - I know. - Very excited. - Very excited. - So good. - Well, we had a very episode with us on. ♪ I'm not the type of girl that you ♪ ♪ I'm not going to pretend ♪ - We went to the US Open last night, so our voices are a little scratchy. - It's good, you need to have grit. - You need to have grit. - We'll do the big belt, ready? ♪ I'll make top of you ♪ - Bye. (laughing) (clapping) - Oh my god! - "Lost Culture" is the production by Will Ferrell's "Big Money Players" in my heart radio podcast. - "Created and Hosted" by Matt Rogers and Boan Yang. "Executive Produced" by Anna Hosniay and "Produced" by Becca Ramos. "Edited" by Hot Dog Samwich. And our music is by Henry Kursky. - Hey you guys, so it's seconds into September, so you know what that means, it's Christmas. And I'm going back on the road, it's true. My tour this year is called "This Time It's Really Christmas." And it might be on sale now. 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