Your Favorite Artist’s Favorite Artist with Anderson .Paak

From the stage to the screen, Anderson Pack is one of one. Grammy winner, director, fashion, risk taker, and certified transitor. He's carved out a lane all on his own, blending sounds, flipping styles, and keeping it fun every step of the way. Whether he's tearing it up with silk sonic or stepping out in a silk suit and loafers, Anderson doesn't chase the moment, he makes it. Today we're talking about his latest music, his directorial debut, and how fatherhood, fashion, and reinvention are shaping this next chapter. And yes, we're getting into the Mariah Carey of it all too. So let's get into it, baby. This is Kiki Palmer. Ah, season two, baby, this is Kiki Palmer is a rap, and baby, what a ride. We're taking a little break to cook up what's next for season three. And trust me, we've got some fire in the works and I cannot wait to share it with y'all soon. But first, a big thank you for watching, listening, sharing, and showing up every week from Shelly and Alandria to Usher, Lizzo, and the one and only Mariah Carey. The incredible conversations, the laughs, the honesty, the moments, every episode has been pure joy. And I hope you love them as much as I have. If you've missed a few, don't worry, this is your cue to catch up. Check out the episodes you might have missed on YouTube and make sure to follow our new baby, this is Kiki Palmer, Instagram, and TikTok for updates and a few surprises while we're away. We'll be back in 2026, bigger, better, and bolder than ever. I love y'all so much. Stay tuned because baby, this is Kiki Palmer and we're just getting started. Anderson Pat, welcome to baby, this is Kiki Palmer. It's an honor and a pleasure. You know, I always see you out and we always dancing and cutting up somewhere. It was good to sit down and talk with you. It's amazing and I'm so proud to look at this. It's beautiful. Thank you. Budget. Okay, come on, budget. It feels like it. You know what I'm saying? I'm seeing money. Okay. I'm so happy for you. And this is such a pleasure to be able to sit down with you. I always see you. I'm fun and you're someone that I really look up to and so proud and to see how versatile you are and smart, funny, and you've just been killing it for years. Oh my gosh. It's a humble and I don't know, I just, I'm just really, it's just, it's a big honor and a big pleasure. Anderson, it takes one to no one. I mean, you do everything under the sun. You need to sit down and teach me how to play some of these instruments. Anything you want. Anything you want. Okay. So you did the pre-show pull-up questionnaire. I love doing this with my guests because it just, you know, let's me get into the mind of you. So today I'm giving you said superstar period with the side of sparkle. You feel me? And you know, I'm mad because I was thinking to myself, like, should I wear this sparkly dress? I mean, I know he's going to come with the fashion. And I feel that you've abstaged me. I'm glad you didn't do it to yourself. Because I think you, you perfect where you at, you know, I'm hopping in a LeBubu. Oh my gosh. The LeBubu is done taking over. I'm telling you now. Child in the hair. The bob is bobbing. Stiff wear. I mean. Okay. You got your angles, right? And what's the ETA on that? It's a killer. I love a drink. We do need a bar up in here. Just a little sit. Okay. Today's mood in one word is yes, law, period. What's the, yes, law to you? It's law. We in church. I mean, I grew up in church. And so I take the church with me, you know, even, you know, that I'm older now and, you know, go all over the world. But I'm still a church kid. I heart. So that's where it comes from. And, you know, it's just like, it's just the best expression for any situation. It's not on you. It's in you. Yes, right? Okay. What did you listen to on the ride here? EW and F. Now put me on. What's the EW? That's what's commonly known as Earth when a fire. Oh my gosh. Yes. You feel me? And we're earth and air right here because you're in a quirk. In Virgo. In Virgo. We just need a little fire. Yes. Okay. So which, what era of earth when a fire were you listening to? I was listening to the 70s stuff. So I think it was like, it was on the radio when I was pulling up. So I think it was fantasy that I was playing. Oh my gosh. Such an incredible group. Yes. And I feel like we don't, I mean, like, I mean, obviously, we're so exotic. Y'all gave us a taste of what it feels like having something like that in this era. But I feel like it's so different. I don't know if it's because people don't do live instrumentation. They don't have fun no more. They don't dress. They don't, like, you know, like, where is this at? To perform. Yeah, perform. You see, you know, tighten them outfits was in the crazy feathers. And it's 30 people on stage all rocking and playing instruments. And I don't know. Like, I missed that. Me too. And R&B music and improv and the whole genre, I think, like, people having fun. People being rock stars and showing out and playing instruments and seeing bands, seeing black bands. Yes. I'd love to see that more of that. Me too. Thank you for being able to give us some of that. So I got to highlight that because, like, you give us what we can from that. Okay. What's your zodiac sign? Obviously, I said Aquarius. But you don't know your moon and your rising. What do you mean? So I actually had to do it. It's funny you should assume. But I actually do. I found out that I am to Capricorn and Aquarius, yeah. And I had no clue. And I'm like, oh, that's a very level, chill person that has great directions. And I can't stand Capricorn as usually. But I'm usually surrounded by a lot and one of my best friends is the Capricorn and I'm wow. Wow. That's amazing. Like, makes not a lot of sense at first, but now I think about it, I was like, okay, Capricorn is good with money. And I'm gonna say good with my very ambitious. Yeah. I definitely feel that you're that. Yeah. So it actually does make a lot of sense. It does. Okay. What is the most unexpected thing on your talent writer? A friend photo of James Brown. So you got to have it everywhere to go. Anywhere I go, yeah. Now what is it about you and James? It's kind of like my fairy godfather of Seoul, you know, he's right. He looking over me. Yeah. Oh my gosh. James, I wonder what it would have been like to have an evening with James. That's right. He probably would have took us up and everywhere. We would have met the club and he would have asked for cash on him. We would have got some whiskey somewhere, we would have been up to the morning just. And I hope what you're ****. That's right. You know that. Come on now. Okay. Yes. Right. And the last screenshot on your phone, no deleting show me. I feel like this might be some ****. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's why I just, yeah. It was a Bible scripture. Perfect. Let's go with that. Jesus wept. Y'all know. And then you gave me your autograph. That's the best. Come on. I'm keeping this forever. And I'm selling. Usually charged for that. So that's exactly. Yes. Well, how are you? How you doing? I know you were telling me you just opened up your club. Yeah. Andies in West Hollywood. Yeah. Live music. I was up. I didn't sleep. I'm just came straight from the club to here. Oh my gosh. You know, the same suit. You know, change my socks and drawers. And that's the thing. That's right. I'm doing the IVs. Oh my gosh. I don't know. What the hell is in them pouches. It could be Mountain Dew for all I know. But I trust you. But I'm paying $1,000 a pop. Man, me too. I trust you with my life. But every time after I don't know if I really-- I want to take the pouch and test it and figure out what it is. Because it could be turkey neck broth for all I know. Turkey neck broth. That's what it kind of looks like. Tasty. Yeah. Mix it with some dressing. No, I don't know what the hell is in there. But I'm trying to do everything I can. I'm getting old, pushing 40. Man, we do got to start thinking about our health. I'm definitely on that same tip. And you've been everywhere. You've been doing a lot. I mean, you were on stage at BET Awards. Touring for no worries. Your album "Wild Law." A new song with my girl, Mariah. I mean, did you get a chance to do anything? Fun with your kids? Or what was the most exciting part about all this? Yeah. Man, the best thing to do with the kids after doing all that is just being able to sit down and watch movies, well, then talk to them. Oh, yeah. Bug them. I take the friend. My son is 14 now. And my youngest one is eight. Yeah, I got a teenager. And now he has friends. And I take them out. You know, we just go, like, go eat. Go just chill. Just do regular stuff. Go try to go to take them shopping. And I like going and getting them fresh. He's just starting high school now. Oh, my God. He's been home school since he was six. So he begged us to go to school finally. And now we don't got no one to watch his little brother. And we got no one to help us with the TVs and stuff. But he got to go to school at some point. And I'm really excited for him. He's playing instruments now. And we just jam out. Oh, my God. I've tried to, we watch music documentaries and stuff. And he's all into making beats. And I'm just like in awe. You know, my little one is killing. He's singing all the time. And they're both just like, I'm just in awe. I was really going to ask him how you feel about them wanting to get into music. But it seems like they already are. Yeah, I tried to force it for a long time. You know, I tried to. You go and play drums. You go, no, you're getting coriol. I had him and everything. Study Kiki now. I'm a father. And in my oldest seat, when I was doing that, he was, he kind of just backed off. Like he's like, no, I want, I want to play baseball. I'm like, what's all these damn drum lessons and drum sets up. We got you all this stuff. And now you want to play baseball. So we're going to the baseball games. He's striking out. And then we've got to still be supportive. And then once I backed up off of him, I, you know, I started coming in and around. And he was just playing drums by himself. And then all of a sudden you start playing guitar and bass and stuff that I can't even play. And I think you kind of just have to let them find their way. I love that because I do want my son to be into entertainment. But I'm taking this note from you that maybe I should just act like it ain't nothing. And see if he finds his way to it. That worked for me. Yeah. You know, I had to kind of just let him find it and just give him suggestions here and there. Now, you say he was homeschool for six years. I love hearing this because I think about this with my son a lot as well. I think part of it is me being like, I wanted to be with me. So obviously if he's homeschool, we can be together more. But I mean, what made you ultimately decide that? - We just couldn't wake up, really. None of us are mourning people. And then I was always traveling. And so they kept calling, like showing up late. And I was like, let's just keep him here with us and figure it out. And you know, also too, like exactly like, I don't trust nobody around my kids. I'm very protective. And that's all I think about like, oh man, what's going on? And you know, every day is something else in the news. So I love that he was able to stay in the house with us for those years. And he could be around my sisters and their kids and cousins and families so important for us. And I have such a big family full of women. And they're always around in the house helping out with everyone's helping with each other's kids. And he got that, you know, like first. And then, you know, he has his church friends, you know, so that's how I grew up too with, you know, with going to church. And I had the kids in church that I was cool with. And I was like our little community. And so he has the same thing. And now he can make his debut in his high school debut. And, you know, he can do his four years and he'll be fresh, you know. - Now you're eight year old. Did he do homeschooling to it? - He spoiled his health. And people just born into money. So I don't know. I really, I want the best but I don't know. It's like, he just started like walking on his own 'cause he's been carried around all over everyone. Just like, it's like feet barely touching ground. And he's also, he's like a model. It just looks, you know, the kid is like a little doll. So he's a mama's boy, they're both mama's boys. And he has the most beautiful voice. And, but he's like very much into his own thing. Independent, if he's, you know, seen his brother doing it, he wants to do something completely opposite. - That's just like my little sister. - Now you're one of those creatives that people say like literally you're your favorite artist, favorite artist. How does that impact your creativity? Or does it ever feel like pressure knowing that people look to you? Even everybody's favorite is looking to you. - I think it's, I'm humbled. And it's awesome to hear that. 'Cause when I was coming up, that's really all I cared about was like the respect of people that I looked up to. And I was always thinking like okay, like I'm inspired by them, but how can I do this different, do it my own way? And, you know, individuals like, you know, Andre 3000 and Lauren Hill and, of course, like Michael and Stevie and T'Angelo, Lisco's on and on, but these guys were people of prints, people that, you know, honed in on their own thing. And I think it inspired lots of generations. So to be one of those people are people to say that. And it makes me feel like I'm getting hold. But also, I'm very happy that I'm able to be within this industry this long where people I'm seeing now, like the effect that someone like me that wanted to push playing an instrument. And it wasn't always so like, you know, wasn't the thing that it was trendy or people were kind of almost were confused. Like, what are you doing? And especially in R&B, if you can't, if you weren't Chris Brown or if you weren't, like, T'Angelo or like, they didn't really know what to do. And so I'm coming in playing drums and I want to look different and just being me. And being an individual and that wasn't always like the most trendy thing and popular thing and to see that now people have come around to that and that void, you know, has been filled now with other people that are coming and playing. I think it's awesome and I'm humbled. - Yeah, and I think it's the consistency of seeing you be able to do that and take up space in these ways. Especially when we talk about R&B and the expectations people have for black men and what it should look like. So I mean, that consistency over time, I think people start to realize like, no, no, no, he's not that, he's not this, he's Anderson Packett. Was there a moment for you that you felt like you saw that or even now is it still something that you're like, okay, I don't know. - Yeah, I mean, I was always trying to do that. Even when I had nothing, like I was always didn't, I wasn't concerned about like trying to fit in or anything like that. I always wanted to have an individual swag and like do something that different people didn't have. If I couldn't afford it, I was trying to go to their store and like, okay, I can afford this. This is gonna be my swag for the whole year. I'm gonna be in this denim jacket and you doing this and I would try to do something that would keep me, keep it like, oh, that's only him. And so, and I'm coming up in LA and everybody does something and everyone's talented or maybe they don't have talent, but sometimes people just got more style and more drive, more hustle. So you're always doing stuff to be like, stand out and see of, in the sea of like artists and managers and all these people and you want just people to be like, oh no, I don't remember him. Like, what's that boy came through with the bomb and the boots and you know what I'm saying? - Yeah, something that's original. - No, you know, it's just like, just having fun. And so, I think, you know, when, by the time I got signed to Dr. Dre, like this is 2015, I was, I had really, wasn't thinking about getting signed anymore. I kind of thought that I had missed that boat. I was in my 30 or something and I was like, that's not happening. So, you know, instead of me trying to chase that, I'm just going to really try to hone in on being, you know, something so unique, something so, like, undeniable, that's me that I can do, that, you know, everyone's going to be able to like see that and I'll be able to garner my own fan base without a label and stuff like that. And when I got into Dr. Dre, I was so confident in what I could do that. I think that he really respected and loved that. And I was, I wasn't someone that came in and was like, okay, I'm going to write for you and just try to fit in and do something that you can do. I'm someone that's going to do Anderson Packen what I can do and I think he loved that. And that's when I really, really felt like, oh, wow, like, this is paying off now. - Yeah, and somebody seeing me and it's like one of the main people that you, you know, to be seen by. - Yeah. - Tell me about how y'all met in that relationship and what you kind of learned from him, you know, through working with him. - Man, the biggest thing I learned was, you know, just take up every opportunity, like, it's your, you know, like, it could be your last one. And because I honestly, I didn't think I was going to meet him. I almost didn't do the session because I came up writing in LA and, you know, everyone was like, every once a week, you always get a call about detox or writing for Dre and doing all this stuff. And he became like a mythical creature at one point. I didn't think I was going to meet him or anything. I was like, yeah, going, he's probably, they ain't ever happening, you know? - Right. - Like, Dre's, like, my manager was like, at the time, my manager was like, yo, come to the studio and, you know, work on Dre's album, like, sure. You know, I'm, I'm work on my album, you know? And they begged me to go. And then I went, begrudgingly, and I walked in and the first few people I see are Dre and D.O.C. I'm like, wow, this is really happening. And so I walk in and I go into studio, I meet Dre. He's really cool. I go into studio, I'll meet these two writers, Mezz and JT, and they're working on a Dre album, and they loved my song Swade. I had a song called "Swade" at the time. Smooth in a (beep) Swade on inside. - Them vocals? - Yeah, yeah, you feel it? - Yeah. - It's a wait on that tequila, but I don't know. (laughing) - So I walk in, you know, everybody going crazy. I got a little hot song at the time. And it was this before, like, I was at anything on, like Spotify, really, or anything like that. I mean, I had one project, but that song was really bubbling, like, within, like, band camp and the sound kind of world and all the stuff. With my boy knowledge, and we had a group called "No worries," and that song was going around, and those writers loved it. And they played it for Dre, and Dre played it, like, three times in a row. And after that, he just kept inviting me in the studio, and then all of a sudden, he dropped the album, and I was all over it. - I mean, that Compton album was huge, and I think, like, obviously, people were loving you before them, but this was like a huge moment. How did your career, you feel, change, after that? How soon did you see it? - I started getting a lot of family members I didn't know. And never heard of and getting different calls. - Oh, family members. - We miss you, we need, you know, a lot of, a lot of Apple Perry requests and stuff like that. Vinemollos and stuff. - Vinemollos. - And I changed my number with the quickness, and, you know, I was, I got a few things, you know, TSA pre-check, you know? - Okay. - I wasn't playing around now. I'm stepping things up. I got my first, you know, foreign, I was dipping in the beamer at the time. The more with the doors go up, I had to do that, I had to do that on them. And then, you know, I was just like mama, where you want to live, you know? Hopefully somewhere cheap. And she said Atlanta, I was like, thank God. - Cheek. - Yeah, go get two of them. - At the time, this is 20, yeah, we can go crazy. Go ahead, get two of them things. Yeah, and yeah, it was just like, everything was like moving fast. And with the crazy parties, Ray put out an album and no one thought he was gonna put out now and he actually put it out and then had me all over. And it was a surprise album. And then everyone was like, what's you gonna do now? And so I had to do something. My next move had to be the best move. - Okay. - And I was working on my project at the time. So now everybody was coming and wanting to work. So it was cool, I had a little more leverage. You know, I could put together, I was already putting on putting together a project, but I could finish it now. And with the people that I really wanted to do songs with like ninth wonder and mad live and high-tech and getting some cool features like from "Scoop Boy Cue" and you know, everybody that was part of that Malibu album it was like very pivotal for us. And I wasn't signed, I drew it and signed me. And so everybody wanted to sign me all of a sudden. I couldn't buy a deal before that. And then everyone was like, let's talk, let's talk. - Isn't it so funny how the industry does like that? They sometimes they just don't know until somebody tells them that it's something. And I hate that about it. You know what I mean? But it is dope when you can find a collaborative partner that you rock with and you can just stick with that. - Yeah, you got to stick with that. as an artist you just gotta stick trust your gut you know and like all these people like those these everyone's where as they know they don't know and the only one that knows really as you as the artist you know that's why you can't let anybody you know deter your focus and so I was glad that I was able to finish that and and eventually signed a drain like I'm if I'm Simon anybody's gonna be with the big homie and yeah it was it was a whirlwind I was going doing tours all over the world and that was the first time I got to see like after that people were like waiting out like like big lines for the shows and we're going overseas and we had a tour bus you know that the experience that experience I mean you've worked with so many artists Mac Miller Gwen Stefani Lotto Ravenlinay obviously Dr. Dre Boone almost I mean let's go to the company of the game I love but come on now I mean what makes the perfect collaboration because all these people are different you know like when like how do you know the vibe is right because obviously John Ray you don't matter the genre right baby this is he keep on a yeah oh I just had the most incredible time in Chicago and I cannot stop thinking about it I just hosted my debut Airbnb original experience and honey it was absolutely everything let me set the scene one amazing Chicago kitchen me and my pops bringing the energy the coolest people ever and a local chef who was straight fire okay we weren't just cooking we were creating magic making memories and filling that space with so much laughter and love this wasn't your average cooking class okay we walked in as strangers with recipes and walked out as friends with stories dad had the whole room dying with his play by play commentary and watching cooking newbies turning to kitchen pros absolutely priceless the food was restaurant level amazing but what really got me was seeing confidence bloom and watching instant friendships form over every shared bite some of life's best adventures happen in the most intimate setting and you can find them through Airbnb experiences I mean I honestly I'm I'm an artist people kind of pretty so I just try to beat the vibes of I like to like help you know it's like so if I if some people are really shy and they want me to take you know the lead I'm down to do that if you know some people are like there's only room for one star it's like it's all good let me take this jacket off we good do you want what you need you know I'm saying like it's all good so you know I still know what's going on it's like I'm like I'm a team player so it's good you know and not everybody knows what they do want to do so it's like great I got some ideas some people know exactly what they want which is even better it's like tell me how I can help you know so you just got to go in and I think it's about like you know having conversations getting to know people you know a lot of people want to do collabs they want to send a track and on and no they don't they don't you never met they don't have any connection and it's very transactional and stuff and um sometimes if they have a big budget transactional interactions are great yeah but um sometimes it's like let's talk let's see each other because I don't know maybe the song could be really big and we're gonna have to perform it sometime or maybe we're gonna have to be in the same room together and but be cool we have some kind of chemistry it could help with the record I don't know what type of vibe do you put on in it when you in the set some candles come on candles yeah exactly light some candle feathers and and whatnot yeah so you're a mood center yeah I love that I love that I'm definitely going to need to get to the studio with you I'm ready yeah I need this vibe yeah this sounds like the vibe yeah I mean of course there's Mariah Carey and the record that you guys did type dangerous and then you got three more on the new album right did y'all know each other before like how did you guys collect you know how did that come up I mean of course I've known and been a huge fan of her since forever but um yeah we had never crossed paths and the first time like interaction we had uh that my team was like Mariah was to work with you and she wants to get on a phone call with you and I was like oh shoot all right let me set some candles up in my own spot you know I'm saying and I got fully dressed and I said okay let's do this and one time in the zoom she's like it's not a zoom just you know it's gonna be all right well sorry face time you know yeah sorry I just got on the phone and hello you know like the smoking tone and I was like yeah what's going on say P what we doing yeah I'm gonna tell you what we doing actually I've been studying you for a long time I got some ideas wow she was like you know my band is a big fan of yours and and uh I heard great things and I can't wait to work and I was like out of feeling and we were gonna hit it off like she was gonna be fun and I was like watching her video like interviews and videos was like oh she's she's like gonna be really good sense of humor yeah really good sense of humor you know how to earn a show and I was asking her and I'm gonna ask you because she said there was a lot of love with you too I know that's something y'all at the gas station holding hands that girl knows she love me now what's T-Boo she knows she love me yeah and that's all we got to really say about that you know what I'm saying um I put the music first I love that we keep it a business you know she love me but the love is there it's all up and through there okay she had nothing but nice things to say about you love type dangerous yeah I love I love her gonna see it's the best it's been awesome and you know when you get to work and like hang out with people that you're working with I think it's very important and sometimes we just go on cruise and go to my club hang out play the record that we just made see how it is working in the room this is the greatest times and making that record was awesome she's such an amazing writer such amazing producer comes in with ideas and um it's just like so many jokes so much fun and I can only imagine seeing her in her writing process that's so incredible I mean some of my favorite records I'm wondering to myself how did she even fit these words in there like in breakdown she's saying where you like how did you even sing that it make that happen so I imagine that was a really dope experience yeah I love it now in an interview that you did with Hype B's you talked about reinvention as a way to learn it all instead of know it all and I'm curious about that like what do you feel there's more for you to learn like how does reinvention look for you in real time yeah I think there's always stuff for you to learn I think that's that's the key it's like um sometimes I don't have the words I'm sometimes like I want to write some great stuff but I'm not tapped in like enough you know I am and sometimes you can force it and push it but um I don't know like sometimes it's not fun for me anymore to be in a studio with no windows and like try to pull a song from thin air sometimes I need to like I need to get do something else I need to learn I need to experience something else I need to start from the ground up on something I need to I want to learn and study something else and try to begin to master that and learn more about that and it's all a journey for me and I get inspired you know from taking the journey then it's like oh now I think I could take this and bring it here so I've been getting into DJing you know I started DJing when I was doing so sonic and we started DJing I started DJing my after parties and you know me and Bruno are super competitive you know and and I think it helped for the music you know and when we got on that stage you know sometimes you know he I get some flare pants then I go on and you know next day I see he got the flare pants but they're bedazzled all right I get some leather snakes came boots then I see he got the custom snakes in boots with the custom heel on it giving people the illusion that we might be the same height or even he's taller it's get crazy so I have to be sure to put it on a damn bob wig just so I can survive in this world you know so I start DJing and that's what I started DJing this was fun just so I can have something to do you know keep my mind proctified and you know learn a different craft and and I started loving it because you see how records affect people you see what times records do all over the world these records work and you see the connection they have like talking about love real instruments you know like uplifting people so they feel good when they're dancing and they're not thinking about the lyrics like wait it's not just so real with the dancing man like getting like I don't know if we were live too when we were kids but like I remember watching TV and being like I can't wait to go go to club dance I can't learn in all these moves yeah and I feel like we we know they're spots that have it like I said I definitely want to check out Andy's because I'm sure they're dancing up in your spot but like music that allows us to dance not just play cool and sit up on the wall you know I'm saying it really makes us feel something yeah yeah and so I think that's what it is like learning about all these things and I think it allows you to reinvent yourself and in this industry I think that that's a big part of it and the people again the people that I came up with watching and admiring they all did that they all changed it up different cycles things get boring and I want to switch it up yeah now I'm going by this moniker now I'm doing this and as artists we have that freedom that's the whole beauty of being artists and tapping into that and getting deep into that and the fans and the people that maybe feel like they can't do that or they fear doing that they're looking at us to do that and inspire them so when you're working with other artists do you look at the landscape of music at the time is that something that comes into your mind I try not to I don't care what they're doing I mean people just want to be you got to see so and so and I'm like no I don't like one especially people like my like in my my peers yeah I don't really want to know what they're doing you know yeah more power to them but I got it you know you got to tap in and yeah just because I was you know it's like it's like when the tides change does it matter you know because you were trend set it and it shouldn't matter you should just set the trend but then also it's like older charts and like you know are those things that you care about if the artist cares about it yeah I think I think you God be true for yourself as an artist and I think that every time you go out, putting if you are an artist that is making living off of this, you're also an entrepreneur or business person, right? Period. So you have to consider things with the climate, what's going on, what do you want to take your company where you want to take your business as an entrepreneur, where do you want to go with it, and how are you going to evolve? And I don't know, you think you as a business, you want to grow in more, getting more people to know you as, should be part of it. I don't know. Some people want to keep it boutique. Yeah. But there's things that go into keeping it boutique too, right? Keeping it consistent, you know, where you're getting your stuff from, and there's things, you know, so I think that, yeah, you're aware of all these things, and I don't know, I've had a number one before, and then I've had songs that are like co-classic backpacker stuff that, you know, only certain people know. And I love both feelings. There's nothing like being able to go into all these rooms and, you know, having that respect and having these records that you can play in all these rooms, there's nothing like having a number one record, you know what I'm saying? And like, you people will be like, I don't care about that, and this and that, and see get one. And then you out, and God knows where, and I'm a leader, and they know that, you know what I'm saying? It's like, whoa, you know, you can always play that, have that in your pocket. Do you think there's a science to that kind of thing? Because I always think about the fact that like, okay, hit me, baby, one more time, that's a hit. But would it have been a hit on Brandy? Have you ever, that was a hit on Brandy, but would they have been a hit on pink, you know? Right. I think there's no getting around work ethic and hard work. And I think that you can argue there's a science, you know, like Michael Jordan got tons of rings and Kobe and Michael Jackson did it multiple times, Beyonce, like Bruno, you know, I think that some people tap in to a work ethic and they know what it takes to make something hit for themselves. And also, again, the artists themselves, maybe that's really what they want as artists. They don't want to make a song and no one knows they want to make huge songs and that's really what they want to do. So they do everything they can in order to do that, to train and make that happen. They put out the song, maybe the song is not a hit right away, but they know maybe if we perform this everywhere and we sell it in a way that people know how to dance or know how it's supposed to look, maybe they can start to climb and then the labels get involved on the blah, blah, blah, and then the visuals hit and then, you know, things, things happen and some people, it's just right away, they know how to, you know, and some people, they get lucky. They just make a hit, they don't know how to do that again, but they got, they make that happen. And that was a moment. They always have that and some people make the biggest hits like that. So I think that, yeah, there could be a science, but I think that it's about the artists and if they want to do that again, and they get into the muscle memory of knowing how to do that again. Because I think that's a beautiful thing, it's something that's under, under, um, appreciate that the people that actually can do it again, people think it's easy and some people think they can sell out or something and they're doing something cheesy, but it's very hard to do it multiple times and keep it. It is. And I'm curious if you know, if, if there's a click that happens, right? If you feel when you hear a record, because I know people a lot of times we'll talk about Rihanna and be like, she knows a hit. Right. They're like, she, I've been in a studio with her, she knows a hit when she hears it. Do you know a hit when you hear it? There's certain things on like, sometimes I get goosebumps when I hear certain things, you know? And I'm like, oh, just, you get that feeling and you start, you, you start seeing visuals and stuff. Wow. That's like, I don't know what that quits to if it's going to be number one, but it feels like, okay, I can do this. I want to, I want to have this, I want to perform this. I can, I believe in this. So I think the people are going to believe in it too. And I think that's a major part of it. Being tapped in and feeling, you know, like, you just feel right, like, and you know when it doesn't feel right, I can sometimes, probably tell you that, but I can tell you, you know, with some songs that I saw. Sometimes that's enough. Yeah. You know what it shouldn't be. Yeah. Sometimes you think it's going to be a hit and everyone's gassing it up in the label, everyone. And then you start doing the, the million dollar music video for it and you're like, you hate this song. You know? Like, yeah. Like, you're ready to do that, Kikia. Where we went. I've been there. Yeah, you know. It's the worst. And it's like, I don't want to ever hear this song again. And it's even crazier when you don't think which, we've heard many times when an artist doesn't like a song and it actually is the hit that everybody said it was. Totally. And you got to do it for the rest of your life. I think probably that's how I would know because it's usually the song I hate or I don't even want to play. And they're like, why didn't you put this, this is how I put it out and it blows up and it have no clue. I got a song on the top 10 right now that I had for myself and wrote for myself that I kept down to your 10 years ago. And I just was like, you know what, my boy, shout out to DJ Dahee, we wrote this song together right after the Dre thing and it sat for years. And God bless Dahee, he said, dude, this song is just sitting here. I think it's a hit. Can I give it to my artist and working with Raven Lene. And I say, well, do that. Go ahead. I don't forgot about the song. It's great. Raven got to hold that song. She added a bridge to it. Next thing you know, I'm in Zara somewhere trying to get some fans for my son. And the song is playing. Then I go to the food court. Then we go to sushi and the song playing again. I'm like, hold up, this is my song and it was your song and it gave it to her. And now I say, hit. And I'm like, that's our song and I knew, I always knew you was going to be something Raven. And that's the like me. I always believed in you. Yes, like me. Yes, exactly. And we'll be working again very soon. I love her. And honestly, you guys are a match because she's so similar to you where it's like truthful to the music, truthful to the sound. Like, I love her. We just had her on the show. She's dope. It's amazing. And that's just going to say, I don't, I don't be knowing. And I just try to go in there and write and make the best song, but sometimes somebody else can take it and make it a hit. Sure. And that's a perfect example. And I love to see it. Like, you know, her doing her thing and performing it all over the place and now it's going up on the charts. Like, and I don't have very many songs that was a part of that, have really cracked that. You know, so to see that, do it, it's like shut out to die, shut out to Raven. I love it. I love that. Okay. Now, your music has so many different feelings in it from, like you say, you grew up in the church. We got gospel. We got soul. We got funk, R&B, hip-hop. How do you, because I'm sure a lot of people like, I like everything. This is so big for us. You're going to see, I like everything, but how do you actually blend the everything that you like? Right. I think, I'm having just so much fun now, like at this point, I'm just, there's no one in there and no suit being like, you got to do this, got to hit that number one. And the TikTok views are low, you better blah, blah, blah, like I'm just doing me and like, now people are hitting me up and they are like, hey, can you produce something? You want to write something? You want to just, they love you, they love what you do. And I go with the flow, and when I'm producing, I'm having so much fun. I want to make something now that is exciting to me. And when I'm thinking about the listener, I want to take them on a journey. I want them to have fun. And a lot of my music has always had like humor and romance and satire and, and there's a bit of pain in there too, you know, but it's, it's all about what the song needs. It's try to service the song as best as I can, but I love to do these things now where they have breakdowns and intros and, you know, going back to earth, when in fire, there's these big moments where they just might break down and might be just vocals. And everyone knows it. And then a body, a body, you know, like, and then they go back to the beat and stuff like that. You know, people are doing it, but I feel like, you know, really leaning into that now is so much fun. And as I DJ, and I'm seeing people are ready for that. Yes. They're so tired of like the same little thing, and it's like, if you can just do something different and switch it up and have fun, like, I just want to want to do. And that's what I think it is about blending all these different things. Like, I don't know, and now I want to do some rock stuff, you know, and I want to like, get there and with rock music, you can have these breakdowns and just break it down with jumps and you can take it up. And I'm thinking about the arenas and everything, and then, you know, I want to do some trap one, you know. Yeah. I love the having fun. Yeah. Having fun and just giving a feeling, putting the joy back in it, where it's not always chasing something. You did a record that I really love with one of my really good girlfriends, Jane Hancock. Yeah. And I love the video y'all did too. Yes. So fire. Yes. So, um, Crystal Miles and Snoop Dogg. Mm-hmm. Shout out Snoop always. Yeah. Yeah. That's on. And, um, yeah. Jane is just such another one that is such a joy to be in the studio with, who can, gospel roots, who can really sing, who can really rap, who's got a production ear, and we're trying stuff. And, you know, to go back to touch on, like, how we're blending all these things, shout out to my, my new production team, uh, we're called N.W.I. Instruments. Oh, yes. Fire. Uh, Jay Mo and, uh, Jay Pounds and we have been killing stuff, shout out to even down your more. Um, we've been having a blast, like, making these records for, for artists, like, Jane and for Mariah and, um, you know, we're, we're working on more stuff and we're just like, let's do it. You know, people that are not scared of, you know, people coming in with the live instruments because that's what helps you be able to blend stuff. We really play. So, you know. Yes. I'm making my way over to f**k this. It's right. Come on, girl. Yeah. Can we doing discounted rates and all that right now? Okay. Thank you. That's a good time to do it. Okay. So, from each of your albums, let's look back. We got Venice, Malibu, Oxnard, Ventura. I mean, why, Lord, do you see a personal timeline with your music? Like, are you telling the story or just capturing the field? Hmm. That's so good. Baby, this is Kiki Poma, yeah. I used to just go in and just try to create the best music I could and then I keep a lot of music for a while and then I usually let the cream rise and, oh, these ones still sound good. I still love it. I play stuff for a lot. crowd testing. Oh, I love that. It's like comedians with standard. Yeah, I play stuff. And I see what songs you usually get the same reaction. I know, okay, let's put those away. These are these songs are special, you know, how Motown of you. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, exactly. And I love how they did that. And so, um, and then, you know, and I make stuff. And then it, and then it comes out. And then I heartless to it. But then one where coming towards the time to sequence, because I'm very much an album person sequencing. Yes. It's very important. And, you know, taking care of the fans and not just having songs like, you know, I'm, I'm still thinking that someone out there in the world is going to listen to the album from top to bottom. And not, you know, and so I look back like my last project. And I'm like, Oh, wow, I was, I was actually hurt. I was going through some heartbreak, you know, it's, you don't really think about it in the time. But then when you, you're in mastering and listening to these records, like, oh, I was like, wow, like, this is my therapy. And even though people sometimes they think it's, you know, it's very, it can come off lighthearted in a certain terms, you have to laugh in order not to cry. And, you know, in that, with that group, no worries. It's also my partner in the group as a producer. And he's going through stuff. And I'm channeling what he's going through. And I'm putting it into a song. And so everybody's going through that kind of therapy with this album. And, you know, I've seen that, oh, wow, there are songs about heartbreak and there are songs about having to look at myself in the mirror and deal with my own demons and stuff like that. And, and I'm glad I was able to put a collection of those songs. And sometimes it's not party time. You know, sometimes it's like, hey, this is something that is just where I'm at now. And so, you know, to go back to, it's like, it's like, this is a, like a polaroid of where I'm at right now, you know? Yeah, yeah, my good friend Taylor Parks, we just did my last project. And that's one of the main things she said, like, you know, with the album. It's always like, this is the moment in time of my life that I capture. And I think it's really interesting when you go back and you listen to your old stuff. I'm not sure if you really sit with your own music, but when you listen back, from years ago, you're like, oh, damn, you know, this is cool. That was me. It's going to be incredible. You know, like, you know, like pleading my case to my kids that I was cool. Like, I had, I had my club. I had, you know, you see the different fits. The wigs was on point, me and Kiki. Okay. We were doing records with Mariah. We was doing records with Jane. You know, like, yeah, doing our things. Yeah, we was doing it. Now you have a crazy cool tattoo. And I'm so curious as to why you did. Like, I just want to know the story behind this where you say, when I'm gone, please don't release any posthumous albums or songs with my name attached. Those were just demos and never intended to be heard by the public. It's giving get out. I've never find this body. Don't take my order. I don't know where I'm being done. Literally. Please don't tell them what was clutched in my hands. Okay. See me just, just like, don't wake me. I'm dreaming. Like, what made you? Just clutch into a la booboo and just shadow whiskey. The boy went out like a champ in the contract on my arm. Okay. Please don't put those songs out. I was working some stuff out. I got a whole little capsule. I'm going to have I'm going to have some stuff aside where y'all can release a little deluxe. Okay. Okay. Breaking plate in case of emergency. But please don't don't get egregious. We'll start dipping into the voice notes and getting dip load or remix it in the cage. Oh my gosh. And then they're going to pull out the AI and now we don't even need whatever. We don't need his consent. The AI is doing it better. Oh my gosh. I mean, what are you? I mean, we're now in a time where that's actually not impossible. Like, what do you think about like legacy and like, what, you know, where your music go, where your stuff goes? The people that the thing that is like, it's so cheesy. Like, I mean, come on. Like, people that are going to do really like invest and think that they can do put everything into AI and think that that's really going to like be food for people. There's people that are going to do that and they think that there is really going to be the wave. And they're going to see that it's going to eat themselves alive. Like, I just think that that's a natural process that there's always going to be people that want that process food and all that stuff. But it's not good for you. And I don't care what happens. It's going to happen. It's going to happen where that found that you're not going to have any foundation and people are going to want more. And if there is a way for people that are going towards AI, there has to be a way for people that I just want to see. I mean, human connection and people wanting to see real people that can never go, that's like so priceless. That's why it's when you see a baby being born or there's a birth that happens. There's something real that goes down. You're always going to be hungry for it. So the other stuff can exist. Yeah. And it's about the artist. How, how are you going if you want to use AI? How are you going to show AI what to do and to take it and do something different with? Yeah, they were calling guitar electric guitars and electric piano is AI at one point. That's right. I'm saying like people were all up in arms. You don't plug that in. What the hell you doing? That's the devil. You know, like so true. You know, like whatever you know, like people were up in arms about that. You know, and then, you know, everybody's going to have a different take and all the stuff. But as an artist, that's why you as an artist, I think that is important still to have something that you can just do, you know, like with no that you don't have to plug in, you know, that you don't need anything to, you know, you don't need Wi-Fi to, to, you know, capture people's attention and keep them captivated as an artist. I think that is important. At the end of the day, like, okay, I'm just going to get my ass on some drums. If I can't do this and that and, you know, I can still do something with my hands, you know, and I can still do something if I didn't have to plug it in and stuff like that. So, I think it's very important because there's still going to be a huge void for that, you know, even if it's somebody just wants to go check out a play, you know, like to see someone really just like act those things, you know, and it's a living breathing thing. I think there's going to be a big moment for that. Those kind of things are going to be very, very valuable. And as artists, we should really keep it that way and we should demand that, okay, this is high part now. If you want to go and get that AI (beep) that you can get, which is going to be everywhere. There's no getting around it. We're going to make this (beep) be here like the caviar. What you're saying because it's very empowering perspective because it's true. Like the more of that you have, the more you really appreciate what we didn't appreciate before. Yes, but artists have to show that we appreciate it. We can't just I love the DSPs. I love everything. All that stuff is great. You know, getting on a playlist is all that is great. But if we're getting pennies, like we're doing it to ourselves and we're just a lot, like we're going to dump all of our music on the DSPs. And that's what we're going to do all the time. And then we're going to try to go tour and then we're going to have to put on a, you know, the tour is so damn expensive. It's so expensive. And we ain't getting paid for like, where's money coming from? Like, you know, so it's like, oh, we need to create the value in ourselves. We're the ones saying, like, hey, we'll work, we'll play for scraps. Just like you give us a billboard. You're like, come on. And do you think it's like, like you said, you said it was so dope at the top, which I think about it in my career is a multi-hyphen in in general. It's like, it's about your brand, who you are, what you're offering. Like, how can artists really empower themselves? Because when you're thinking about the music industry right now, like, yeah, where's the other source of income coming from? Yeah. You know, you're not making money off records like that. Right. Yeah. And I think that it's all about what kind of artists you are. And if you're built like that, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's why foods would shoot tough. Yes. You was like, I'm not going to sit here and just like wait for this. I do my music. I do my acting. I do this. I'm going to do whatever I want to do. And I'm like, because it's about me. I'm the ecosystem. Exactly. Ain't worry about the AI the kids. You need to come to me. Yeah, yeah. For the baby of the this is the key people. Exactly. Exactly. It's true that I really feel the same way that you do. Where it's like at the end of the day, people can do that. But it's like, I'm doing this. And as long as I remember that and don't get bogged down into what it means to be this or what it means to be that, but continue to stretch. Then I'll be able to continue to collect and continue to invest. Exactly. And what matters to me, uh, you have a foundation, Brandon Anderson Foundation Parkhouse. Yeah. I mean, what led you to start that? Like, where was the source that coming from? I know you grew up in Oxnard. Yes. Yeah. Um, I was exposed to music and in Oxnard and Ventura County where I grew up, uh, at like very early age. And I believe truly believe that without being exposed to that. I don't know. I could have been exposed to something else that influenced me and an early age or influenced by a lot. So those are very pivotal times. And I could have put that energy towards negative things. And I was seeing all kinds of people do drugs and get into gains. And uh, they didn't have an outlet. And they weren't exposed to church music and great instruments. And I was traveling and, and I, I had a sense of purpose. And I felt like, Oh, this is a passion now. You know, I wanted to just play drums. And I wanted to learn how to play drums. And I wanted to get better. And then that exposed me to more music. I was listening to gospel. And then I meet other musicians that would hit me to different soul. And then, and then I got it, you know, when I got into hip hop and listening to different, you know, Tupac and all the stuff. I was taking those influences and matching it with my hip hop influences. And that created an Anderson pack, you know, and, and I think that it all starts with exposing people young. And so that's what I wanted to do with my foundation. I wanted to do things annually where we put on concerts in the park. And we started just in like MacArthur Park really small. And we just were like giving out backpacks and giving haircuts. I would hit people that I knew anybody could, Hey, Raphael Cedeek, you want to come play some songs in the park for the families. We sign families up if you make in a certain amount, like under under underserved families who never even seen shows usually, you know, and work their asses off just, you know, make ends meet. And now they can go to the park down the street and go see, you know, Raphael Cedeek, Jeanne Eiko, I mean, every year we've had incredible people come up last year. We had the IZ Brothers and, you know, this year we've got some incredible things, but I want it, you know, that's what What we started, we're gonna put on an annual pack house in the park and be free for the families and we're gonna ask artists if they can donate their time and perform for families that might not ever get to see them and it became like a hood Coachella. And you know, we do it every year and it got bigger and bigger. And now we, and then I took it to my hometown and now we're doing that channel islands university and it's now, it went from like, you know, hundreds of people to now tens of thousands of people that are showing up. And the foundation, we collab with, you know, all kinds of different foundations. So we're super down to collab. I know you probably have one as well. So yeah, I wanted to actually ask you while the cameras are on, if you, if you would join, we would love you to join. - I would love to join. - That's a confirmation. - Oh my gosh, I would love to join. I'm honored. - You're hurting your first y'all. - I love that. - And it's incredible. I have to say because as we see more, we're in such a crazy time. They keep taking more access away from kids to have a source of inspiration, of expression. You know how to, you know, just be inspired. So it's really incredible what you're doing because that's what they deserve to see and they don't have access. How can they get to it? So God bless you for that. - Thank you. - I also want to talk about K-POPs, your directorial debut that you moved y'all. - I did a movie. It premiered, what was it? Toronto Film Festival? - Yeah, if you remember that, Toronto Film Festival. And then it was that Tribeca. It was like the Red Sea. Yeah. - And your son is in it. - My son stars my son. - Let's talk about K-POPs. It's about blending of cultures. - Blending of cultures is a family comedy. It's really a father and son movie. You know, it's about, you know, just like the bond that you can have with your kid. And it's, I started working on the film during COVID, being in the house, touring with shut down. And I was in the house with my son and I was like, what do you want to do? I want to be a YouTuber. I was like, he's Christ. - They really, the YouTube, that's crazy. Like it became a thing where I want to be a YouTuber. - For so long, yes. And then I was like, okay, let's be a YouTuber. What are we doing? You have 15 followers. What is happening? - We got to start small, small, you got to start data. - Yeah, yeah. And so let me juice your, let me, this is embarrassing for me. So this is about look for all of us. We're gonna start, we're gonna, let's get your page going and we started doing some skits and stuff. And then that's when I realized, oh my god, he's so funny. He's talented. He's in natural. Let's do a movie. He inspired me to write a script and my whole house at the time was obsessed with K-POP. And so I was like, okay, you know about BTS, but what you know about BET and boy, you need to know better, you know what I'm saying? You are as black as well. And so I was always driving that and so I was like, oh this could be a funny thing, you know, 'cause my mom was always like, you know, make sure you, you know, he knows about his culture too. And so I wanted to do something where it was like, what if I didn't know I had a son that grew up in Korea and could be the next K-POP star. And I was like a Washington musician. And that, you know, was out of touch with his, you know, Korean heritage. And I could, you know, give him insight on his black culture and then he can show me about, you know, the Korean culture, and I can show him that. You know, there's nothing new under the sun. And a lot of this is influenced by groups like Earth, when they're fire and Jackson, fire. Like these are original boy bands, in a sense, you know? So it's about all these things. And we have incredible cast, you know, shout out to my cast. I mean, the movie is just, it's so much fun. And, you know, Earth, when the fire is actually in the movie. - Ah! - Yeah, yeah. Or Kurt Franklin. We have a lot of different people. And it was such a pleasure to be able to do it with my son and bond with him and make a movie and direct it, co-write it. And I can't wait for the world to see it. It'll be out in theaters in January. - Oh my gosh, I can't wait to check it out with my baby boy. - Because the K-POP demon hunter movie, that's out there. Got everybody shook by me and to see the K-POP. - That's what I'm saying. - Yeah. - Okay. - So we're gonna slide right in there. - Come on now. Anderson, you literally do every single thing. I'm so happy that you came on the show. And I'm letting you go. - Yeah. - This shit, we gotta play a game. - Okay. - And this game, we're throwing it back. Okay, I'm talking bling, bling, bucket hats, bars, okay? - Oh, hip hop. - And this, yes, hip hop. We're going down and getting into a little bit of a hip hop IQ game called Quotables. It might be award show moments. It might be a fill in a blank. It might be interviews, but whatever it is, we gotta guess who said it and where it's from. And yes, if you miss a bar, the culture will absolutely judge you. - I couldn't miss. - Are you ready? - Let's do it. - Okay. I'll go first, fill in the blank. It was all a blank. I used to read blank. - Dream, word up magazine. - Woo, okay. - I was doing a little something easy. - Like that. - We'll see how he goes the rest of the game. - We're going to get right to it. Trivia awards, all right? Which rapper from Chicago is one of the only hip hop artists to win a Grammy, Oscar, and a NAACP Image Award? - Common? - She's, wow. - Is it right? - That's correct. - Yes! Come on, where's she? Okay. Now this is an award show moment. At the 1995 Source Awards, who said, y'all ain't got no love for the West Coast? - That would be Snoop Doggie Dog. - Yes! Wow, wow, wow. Okay. - All right, Trivia, Southern rap. - Oh. - What city is credited as the birthplace of trap music? - Atlanta. - Mm. - Right? - It's correct. (laughing) - Is that, honestly, final answer is a little about to get started. - Your expression scared me. Okay. - Feeling a blank. I'm not a businessman. I'm a blank man. - I'm not a businessman. I'm a business man. - Yes! - That would be Jay-Z. - That is correct, I was Jay-Z. - All right, it's time to stop playing nice. - Whoa. - Trivia, West Coast. Which legendary rapper said, you better check yourself before you wreck yourself. - Say it again. Who, who is, say it? - I think we all heard. But I'll, I'll, we'll do that. - You better check yourself before you wreck yourself. - I skew. - West Coast Artist. Final answer. (laughing) - Yes. - Think about your career. Think about the culture. Final answer. - Is I skew? - It's I skew. (laughing) - Oh my God. - Nothing to worry about. - Get up Crick. - Get up Crick. (laughing) - You won't go Willie's side. You won't go Willie's side. (laughing) - Oh my God, you're stressing me out. Okay. Here we go. - Yeah this sounds like a, yeah. - I'm so scared. - I'm about to stop playing nice too. - I'm gonna see ya. (laughing) - Okay, here we go. Fill in the blank. Real G's moving silence like. - Lasagna. - Damn. - Okay, who said that? - I'm really him. Lil Wayne. - Yes. - Let's go. - Lyric Trivia. - Okay. - All right. Which female rapper from Chicago was the first solo female rapper to go platinum? - Tick, talk, talk. - The first female rapper from Chicago, from the second son of the clock. - I know it ain't. Okay, I'm scared. But I'm trying to think about female rappers from Chicago. - This is from culture. This is also female, your sister in music. Let's, you should know that. - Is it older? - Is old school, new school. - I gotta ask the judges of real out to give hints. But I believe she came out in the '90s, yeah. - The bread? - I'll answer. - Yeah. - Yes. (laughing) - Why am I acting like my life on the line? - Ms. Funky Pock. - It really is. - It really is. - It's like. - And I would hate to turn off the comments and stuff, so we, oh yeah. (beep) - Oh my gosh. And you know how I got there? I was like Lisa Ray sister. - Right. - Lisa Ray from Chicago. - You're right, you stuck with this guy. - It's gotta be. - Woo, that's (beep) - It's not the fight herself, let's go. - Okay, here we go. Now you gotta know this. - Oh God. - This is the award show moment. The South got blank blank. - The South got something to say. - Oh my God. - Andre 3K. - South got something to say. - Three stacks. - That's right. - Yes. - Damn, you're good. - ATL O. - Okay. (laughs) - Feeling the blank. I was on the plane with blank. You could call me blank. I go to blank. I know I'm not doing the, doing the rhythm right, but, ooh, that's tough. And that was the first question I didn't wanna do to you like that. (laughs) - Okay. - Lord, be fence. - So what is it? Say it again. - I was on the plane with blank. - I was on the plane. You can call me blank. I go to blank. (laughs) I was on the plane with blank. You can run in blank till I'm mad. - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Right. You have some hits. The first one, I don't know like, you may be, his name might be the same as that. - It's Nikki, right? - Yes. Yes. - I was on the plane with Lil Wayne. I was on the plane with Lil Wayne. - Mm-hmm. - I'm too (beep) - That's too wrong. - I was on the dang doing the bank. - I know it. Look. (laughs) - Okay. All right. You know what? Let's give it to her. That's amazing. - Thank you. - Damn. See? Clear. - I was on the plane with the Wayne. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. (beep) Okay, trivia what was the name of the first major award show created specifically to honor hip-hop artists Tiktok. Oh Hey, this is tough because I know it, but I just I'm gonna say the source words Is that your finance? Yes Correct Did you hear they canceled the BET pop awards and so trained? Yeah, somebody told me they knew it was gonna be over when they hosted it in my back yard That's insane the budget cuts is insane, and I thought to myself that day was trying to make that creative But that was a buddy Because why is it in my backyard Anyway, I think that was isn't my let I got one Quite as good You're the best Anderson pack. Thank you so much. I can't wait to check out Andy Anderson pack isn't interested in staying still he moves like an artist who's done a lot But still has more to say more to build and more joy to squeeze out of the process Whether it's a tour of film a label or a fit you could just tell when someone's having fun with their story Ran Vengeance isn't about changing who you are. It's about choosing how you show up because the truth is we all carry a brand into every room We enter the question is are you owning it? Are you letting someone else define it? Until next time baby. This is Kiki Palmer Baby, this is Kiki Palmer is hosted and executive produced by me Kiki Palmer Lucas Siegel is our post producer our producers are Lauren Hampton and Molly Nester Hillary S.T. 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