You Only Have One Family

[Music] Rude of Evil is a production of C13 Originals, a division of Cadence 13 in partnership with TNT. This story contains strong language and graphic and potentially disturbing content. Disgression is advised. Rushing even has a super tight relationship, a good one. This is our uncle, love Hodeau. They really love each other and they got each other's back. And I admire it to the end of time. I wish I had their connection with my brothers. If I were to want something in desire and maybe even something that would soften my heart and make me cry would be the fact of being that close with my brothers, which I had when I was really, really young. But then everybody changes, people change, people morph into whoever they are. [Music] My relationship with both my brothers, I think it would be a lot different. I've been raised differently, or raised in a normal household. And that's Uncle Joy. There'd be a lot more, there'd be a lot more love in communication. I love my brothers. But I don't go out of my way to express it. Growing up, peace and love didn't talk. The funnest didn't talk. The brothers didn't talk to the sisters and the nieces. There's always been distance and not resentment, but less of a connection at times with one family member or another. The wedge really worked because of Demar. Everybody in the family has some secret, and I don't think they're all bad. They're not all skeletons, but there's some deep rooted stuff that might make us sad. So here what they might have gone through or what secret that is. But families all you got, you know what I mean? So, the maddles stick together. [Music] [Music] How do you wrap up a story where so much is still unwritten? After generations of pain, the hotels have tried to address our family dysfunction head on. It's been cathartic, but now we all have to begin the slow process of putting our family back together. And that could take the rest of our lives. [Music] This is Rudolf Evil, the true story of the Hodele family and the Black Dahlia. I'm Yvette, and I'm Russia, and we're your hosts. When Yvette and I began doing this podcast, the very first thing we did was go to our mom's storage container to see what we could find to help tell her story. But in the process, this became something much bigger. It became our whole family story. One by one, slowly, the Hodele's agreed to go on this journey and try to make sense of our collective family trauma. Like Fauna 2 said in episode 5, "You can't bury it, no matter how hard you try. It's burying yourself." This is true for all of us. And just speaking for Yvette and I, although it's been really hard to learn such painful things about our aunt and uncles, we want to know more. So we all agreed to meet in Los Angeles, because it's one thing to tell our stories separately. It's a whole different thing to do it all in one room, face to face, and speak about things we've never told each other. We're hoping it'll help us grow closer as a family. Unfortunately, our uncle Joy couldn't make it from Hawaii, but I'm in from San Francisco and Russia's here from Portland. Love flew in from Hawaii, and peace in Fauna 2 live here in LA. None of us could figure out how long it's been since we were all together in one room. But it's somewhere between 25 and 35 years. My name is Rasha Pecorero. I'm the youngest daughter of Fauna Hodele, and I'm sitting next to my only sister. My name is Yvette Gentile, and I am the oldest daughter of Fauna Hodele, and I'm sitting next to my uncle love. Hi, and my name is Love Hodele, and I am the last of the siblings, the youngest, to Temara Hodele, and I'm sitting next to my sister. Fauna was with Deborah Hodele, or whatever we say, however tall Nick's in, I don't know how it is. Yes, I am Fauna Elizabeth. I was born Deborah. I am the second of the Hodele family of Temara Hodele, the second daughter. And I'm sitting next to my brother. Hi, this is peace Hodele, peace on earth Hodele. Actually, if we wanted to say the whole thing on the person to fit peace on earth, goodwill towards man Hodele, Temara's oldest son. Joy on earth Hodele is not here to be part of the podcast as a group, but we'll be here in spirit, or is it here in spirit? Joy to the world is actually his name. Joy to the world Hodele. Is that on his person's face? Yes, I could tell from the hospital it's a Joy T-T-W-Hodele. That's absolutely right. Joy to the world. But I always thought you were love to all mankind. No, love is just love, right? Well, we could always bust out your middle school name, or they know that. I was scared getting bullied by all the mokes growing up. He did. And I made up a middle name of Stephen, Ironically. Stephen, I'm afraid that. That's right. I totally remember that. It didn't stick too long because love was killer. Right. Better surf or night. Lovey. Joy really had a connection to all of us individually. Especially if there's anything nitty gritty. Yeah, he was step in. He would like to sell it. He was selling. He was very strong. He was selling. He made sure he was he filled the gap. He's been a good fan of his own. He was a good fan of his own. He was the good. I'm still I've been in. And he's referring to our sister who is not here. Yeah, I have an hard time just processing. It's been a year and then. You know, I haven't sat in the same room with these folks together in years. And then, you know, Fonda was always there. So I'm still processing. And I'm not hurt by that because my mother made sure that I wasn't in there. True. No, no, no, I just want to clarify that my mother, our mother made sure that I was not around. I think that was true. All of us though. And for two nights, I've had nightmares so bad. I have a major larger goal on this interview. Everybody does. That's the only thing and reason that I'm here. I want to bond this family. I want to be part of this family. You are. You are. I'm not felt that I was because Tamar kept us apart so long. She did. Yeah, but she's long since gone. We're here in the room together here. Yes. So let's do one thing. Yeah. So just to kind of maybe make you feel a little brighter. You got to be one of the toughest woman. I know. Thank you. So I don't want to break down. But I just let you know you're you're fucking tough. Yeah. Yeah. But all the shit that you've gone through. And we believe you. Yeah. We just want you to know. Yeah. We believe you. Well, that's incredible. You knew that. Come on. We love each other. You know, you're part of this family. You've always been. But I know how Tamar was and she did it to all of us. You know, and it took Joy. I mean, talk about Joy. He was the guy that filled the gap that would call people out to make you feel uncomfortable and say, you know, I was going to let mom, I was going to let Tamar, you know, just die. I was okay with just accepting the fact that I wasn't going to see her. Wasn't having any closure. Not that I did have a whole lot of closure. He said, you should be here. Be the son. I always was, but she knew now she never would acknowledge, you know. So. But I didn't get that closure or anything like that. Like for me, you know, it's the same thing with my dad. I never met him once in person. I. I thought you met your brother. - Yeah, I met my brother. - You met your brother or that's your dad. - Yeah, I don't know how you're dad. - Who is your dad? We called him Bill. - We don't, yeah. I just was, the larger point was, I was here in his life at the end for him, not for me. And that's been the case for both parents. - I've been totally honest. I mean, my nerves have been all over the place for today. - Well, joining up, everybody's got his thoughts coming out. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, and holding on to old shit. - And from where? - Experience between all of us or-- - Yeah, yeah. - Most what's the most that came to you that caused that. Go ahead and say it's okay, whatever. Just bring it out. - Okay, this is the time. - It's okay. - It's okay. - You won't hurt anyone. - You're not hurting anybody. - You're gonna just heal, leave me. So losing our mom was a single most devastating thing that's happened in my entire life. And people, they do weird shit when people die. And, but you and I, you know, you and I, we talked about it, like, you know, when you-- - Say what it is. - So when you, when you were calling, so I had mom's cell phone. And you were calling mom's cell phone after she died and that. But we got in the phone. - I didn't know you were listening. - Well, I had the phone, you know what I mean? - I didn't think about that. - No, I know, but, you know, and you and I have hashed that out. - It was true. - Yeah, and it just, it was just heavy, you know, hearing you talk to your dead sister, who's my dead mom, you know, and-- - I'm sorry. - No, no, no, no. And I mean, and you and I, like, at her celebration of life, you and I talked about it and you're like, "Rosh, if anything bothers you, just tell me." - Okay, I mean it. - Yes, and-- - Still. - No, I know, I know. But hearing you leave the voice smells for mom, I was like, it just was disturbing to me, you know, knowing that you were leaving her voice. I honestly, like, it's out of my, like I don't even remember what you said. - But you hold it in your heart, I see it. - No, but that's you and I talked about that. - Yeah. - And I feel safe with that. - Oh, thank you. - Yeah, I mean, 'cause you know, like-- - I never met Koshini. - I know, and you told me that. - I think what has happened is that as much as you love her, it's hard for you to realize how much we love her too. But to us, because we didn't have family, and with you and each other, and Vanna, you were real family. - You guys were a real family. - And we didn't have that. When Vanna came in and back, even though the one thing between our names was the one thing that kept us. It was the only thing that was a problem. You know, the bond of the sister bond, they never had a sister. And so we miss her. And I called all of those reasons was why. And our insensitivity was not because of our insensitivity. - I know you didn't do it consciously. - It was because of our love of her. That's what all that poured out of us. And because you're in your grief, it just felt like more of a burden. And it was never, you know it wasn't intended. You know that mentally. - Yeah. - But emotionally, it hurt you. But verbally, I want to tell you, the psychology of it all is because we loved her so. And because we are not family, a family knowing and having that kind of connection, we couldn't see that it was an intrusion, you know. And we'd been family like that. We would've seen the social races and said, oh gosh, we shouldn't do that. - We're all raised by Tamar. - See, we didn't even, I'm sorry. - We didn't know what that was. - No, no, no. - My thing is, you know, we're survivors. - We couldn't comprehend. - We didn't. - We just reached out towards the light. - Yeah. - So that's what happened. - I get to be honest, I have mostly fond memories from everybody. My nieces, my brothers and my sisters. Everything was usually fond. There was a lot of shady times in our life, such as moving a lot. Something that really sucked in our life - We did it too. - Could have been 30, 40, 50 times in my life that I moved, including some of my siblings as well. I was mad at my brother piece when he moved away. - You had to get out. - I had to go ahead. - That sucked because I was really close with my brothers, especially at a young age. And I adored them so much even though they beat up on me so much, but it made me really tough. But when peace left, I was like, oh shit, then I really clung on to joy. Peace was like I'm getting the hell out of here. And he had his own reasons and most likely his mom, Pussley, wanted an education. And I understand that. But when you're young, you don't. You just think about selfish I want, what, what. - Sorry, man. - But it's life, you know. This one thing about me I understand with your mom's passing. And our mom's passing, I understand it's life. And that's what happens. This shit happens in life. You can't stop it. It is what it is. But it really destroyed me when he left. 'Cause I was stuck with Tim R. Fucking running my life like a fucking puppet. It was like a puppet on a street. It's such. And when you left, there was like communication was lost a lot. We're all survivors. We were taught to survive the mom, you know, no matter what it would take. So I'm like, well, my brother's gone. That's all I could think. And then, you know, Joy, a freaking, he's still hard to figure out honestly. - No, I know. I always know where you are. And I never feel like I, you know, the way I looked at it as somebody who, I didn't have any guidance growing up 'cause of Tim R in terms of decision making. But I went from sleeping on other people's couches in high school. I almost didn't graduate. I mean, if it wasn't for Fauna, making sure that I showed up and I was at graduation and it was something to be proud of, I probably would have not graduated. And so for me, I mean, the last year, my senior year, just from junior year to senior year, I wasn't in the house. I was living out in the street. - Yeah, basically. And it was a mutual acceptance of, I don't wanna live with crazy. I love, I love you guys. I felt bad because, you know, we were so close when we were young. And I felt like you're a protector. And I always felt that way. I felt like it was there for you, you know? And to have, you know, I understand what the dynamics of dealing with Tim R, even though you knew dealing with yourself. - And what I had. - I mean, I was in a wheelchair and she wouldn't even let me leave the apartment that we were in. Like I literally, you know, calling the police and I'm going to juvenile hall in a wheelchair. You know, I was like, this doesn't, you know, I need help, nobody's helping me. I just have to internalize. - Getting help, was your help. - Well, it was just, I need something, I need to fortify myself. I need to give myself something that no one's giving me. I have to take it. And you know, life is about sharing and about caring, but it also is if you don't have anything to give, and it's not coming from a place of abundance, you're running trash. - Trust me, it was really hard. - It was really hard. - It was just really difficult without you guys there. It was not like the back then, I was like, I wish they were here to help me do it. I didn't even know that I was doing it, but I was. - Right. - You know. - Right. And I kept talking to her to let you be. Like when you were old, an age that you could get out, she, I know she kept to captive, you know. And I would, we would fight all the time. I would get on the phone and you could hear my wife going, okay, this here it is, you're talking to your mom. It's gonna be me not being able to talk to you for a couple of hours because I would be interface about, you know, what about your son's needs from across the ocean saying, look, he needs his space, he needs to figure out who he is. - She didn't give it. - She didn't give any of that. - No, yeah, she was incapable of that. - Thanks for trying. - And all the time, it wasn't just like a one off conversation, I was constantly like, how can you be still having him in the house? He's not even there and you're still having him be in this virtual hell of like, I could get in trouble with the state over. - I was riding her half of my jet. I was caching my checks and giving her half of my checks. - When I was, I get SSI from my disability when I was old enough to get it, it was before I was 18. She would cache the check. This is with me living on the streets, her caching it, [BLANK_AUDIO] me money to say, "Here, here's some food money." And it's like, "I need rent. I need, you know, I was, it's still going to high school." You know, trying to figure it out. So, I mean, that's not something I ever wanted to talk to you guys about. Yeah. You know, you know, you just wasn't, I just so wasn't there, you know. So, of course, I didn't know how much you knew or what it was, you know. All right. Well, regardless, it was as hard as it was to know. No, I hear you. Thanks for sharing it. And I need to hear that, you know. Everything Timber did was convoluted. I was 15 and I had my own son. And I told you the story about how that came to be, how she switched out my birth control. So, she could get another check for welfare. I wasn't going to cry this time. I was going to cry. We are brave. You are brave. You are brave. It's here's a necessary. It's okay. There's no apology needed. I don't know how much detail piece knows the most. I know the least out of everybody. She had me fooled. I thought she was literally a god. My mother never had me. She died. I, I, we know she did a lot of fucked up stuff, but I mean, no. I remember there's one picture where I'm on her lap. I served the purpose and she was kind to me then. But then as things fell, it started falling apart. She didn't have an income anymore than I became her income. And things just kept getting worse than she was getting violent. So much she started throwing things at me. I mean, water on me and she would hit me all the time. I didn't hit her back till finally I was after I'd had my son and he was almost one year old. And she was pregnant with you love. And I felt so bad about pushing her down, but I couldn't stand me anymore. I just pushed her back. Was that the last time she hit you? It was. Because, you know, as I got older and I stopped cooperating after my son, I started to be very protective. And every picture of when he was little, she didn't have you guys embraced like a cocoon. Every picture I had him embraced and protection like that. Right. That's how I feel my brother's had. You, you guys with each other? Yeah. Not that she was looking like she, we didn't get the abuse that you got, but we all protected each other in some way, shape or form, lied for each other. Well, that's what I was hoping for when I finally had to run. When we were so young, I remember there were times where in and out, I remember being in really inappropriate situations with people that I didn't know around drugs and sex and people touching me and people doing stuff to me that, you know, I know I mean, not anything compared to being sent off to the for the weekend somewhere ridiculous for some, you know, money. But I remember money changing hands for different things and being too little to even know what was going on. And it just, but, you know, whatever, you know, do you remember what happened to you? I mean, I just, it's in bits and pieces that I can, you know, it's not like, it's not a fluid memory. It's got you block it out. There's a lot of, yeah, there's a lot of stuff that I just, you know, don't really talk about it. No, I mean, it's not, you don't blame yourself for that. It's not anything you're doing. Yeah, it's not about you. And I know sometimes you'd think like that. I thought for sure, because you were boys in three of you, you did help. It did help. And I was did help. Yeah, it did. But in the beginning, younger years, it was difficult. Yeah. And, and, you know, the truth is, as soon as I waited long enough to you were old enough to be able to fight for each other, well, we did do that. But it doesn't matter. Mom was such a demanding, commanding, controlling person and persuasive that you, yeah, you were, you were almost captivated. You didn't even know. I know, I know. That's what I'm saying. And when she took the Dracula with mind control, she was take, you know, you guys were in school. I thought she took me out of school. I was, they, they were telling us around anybody my age. Yeah, every time she just said, you're not going to school. This is it. She would do the, you know, I went from being this little kid who she'd have me get on the phone and ask people for money and write scripts that I really had in my own writing my own, you know, pleading for money that I had to write in my own words and, and she would correct it and, you know, make sure it was the way she wanted it and make a list of people to ask. It sounds like you enjoy, got the worst of it. We did everything we could to spare love of any of that stuff. I, I was just fine with him being love. You know, if anything, I just was always as productive as I could be. Didn't matter in house out the house. That's probably why I got such a carefree attitude. And I was like so protected that I was allowed to just live and play. You know, you know, we joke around about you the surface mentality, but I'm glad for that. I think that it makes me feel so good that you have that, you know, and that you're able to give that, you give that your son freely, you know, it's so awesome, you know. Did you get to play? I would steal away play. I would, you know, that's why I was out of the house so much because I just, you know, I didn't care what people thought. I didn't care, you know, anything. There was no, you know, if, if there was anything good out of Tamar's experience, if the filter thing, I mean, maybe socially, it's not okay to not have a filter about your life, but I was like, it freed me from worrying about judgment or guilt or I'm just going to do what I need to do. I got to take care of me because I need to take care of me. And that's something I learned really early in life. Like, I know who I am, you know, and I'm not afraid to be who I am, you know. That's wonderful. Yeah. So, but at the same time, I felt obligated to make sure to always look after joy, look after love regardless, you know, we're family, you know. So, you know, to hear him talk about it, it's good to hear you say that because honestly, I knew that it hurt me to leave too, but I just it was out of pure survival. Yeah, get the hell out. I had to leave too. And it was selfish of me. I know honestly, if I could have not left for California and just been in Hawaii and knew that I would be safe, I always felt like she'd made every friendship corrosive. She killed every chance of real intimacy with people. And I still struggle with some of that too to this day just because I had the building blocks aren't there. I mean, I built it with my wife and that's why I'm so protective of my family. But beyond that, like, I, you know, I feel like those tools, you know, I know somewhat, but I there's gaps because it's like, she can't go to school. Every chance I got to be a real friend to anybody or for them to know who I was, she would kill it. She would call incessantly. She would you know, make sure that they didn't want to hang out with you. She ruins many relationships we could have had. Yeah. Oh, we're here now. My mom was saved by the ghetto. And actually, I think she was. I kind of wonder if if Fona had been born to Tamar, if Tamar would have been just so happy that she had a beautiful child. Is she would have been different or she would have screwed her over to? I think you were beautiful too. I don't think so. I think mom was so damnanted and so down. Nobody was safe in her path. Yeah. I remember that look as a kid. How kind of like, oh my god, kind of looked like startled look on her face like, oh, I like this is my family. This is what I signed up for. I know what I looked to find, you know, she was in total shock. And like, where's my sister going? You know, like, she just got here. Her sister. We bonded that first day. Truly. I mean, sitting here right now with all of you, it's so deep on so many different levels. Because we all have that stigma behind us, you know, that I mean, that Tamar, the George, but from listening to every single one of you, it's like, I couldn't be more proud to be a part of this family because we're as bad as people. So strong protectors like just listening to you, what you just said, about what you did for him. You know, how you gave him that light you protected him. Yeah. And you're still standing. You're still walking. I don't know. You are. I think I'm still standing. Yeah, you are. Don't second yourself. Listen to me. You are a beautiful, strong woman. Know that. Know it. Yeah. Oh, it. You know, I'm trying to take that away. You can't take that away. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I never knew I had it to have it taken away. So I'm learning. Yeah. I think the reason that we pulled through is there's, there's like a threefold one we all wanted to do the opposite of what happened to us. We wanted to be the opposite parent. And the way that I learned it says, well, the first thing is I'll just do everything opposite. And the other thing is that I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm going to just love the crap out of my kids. And the third thing was that love, love, love. And that's what fixes dysfunction. Love. Even if you don't know what you're doing, if you sincerely love, that's what breaks the dysfunction and bonds the family. Our mom brought the aloha to each of us. Yes, she did. She brought that to all of us. Yes, she did. Before she died, Yvette Mom and I, we moved her from Hawaii to the mainland to take care of her when she was going through breast cancer. And we kept saying, Oh, Hana means everything. And I was saying, like, for a long time, I thought it was just me mom and Yvette. But I know that that's not true. I mean, I know that going on this journey, like we knew this was going to happen. We knew it. We knew it was going to get dirty and ugly and scary, but we're choosing to be here. And just a few days before she died, when she was still in denial that she was dying, I'm like, Mom, what do you, you know, what do you want? For me, I know you're not going anywhere, but what do you want for me? I want you to be more positive than I ever could be. And she was positive. That's not asking. No. But I think what she was trying to say is to be the light, to be the aloha. You know, I mean, yes, we come from some heavy, ugly shit, but we're here now. We can choose to live a life of love. I mean, we're amazing. We're to pay it forward. Yeah. And inspire other people to do that because everybody, I mean, I don't know. Everybody has this secret. Every family has secrets. Everybody has secrets. Well, that's what I was saying in my interview was that I only know how to deal. That's this I was forced into having to grow up faster than anyone that I knew. You know, we all had to be forced to be put in situations we didn't deserve being in, but how to cope with that and how to see brighter side to whatever situation we're in. And, and, you know, you can call it a aloha if you want or whatever, but, you know, she was an affirmation of that. And then thankfully, she was in my life to be kind of my mother figure in my life. That is Fauna. But I knew from an early age, I was a survivor and that we all have a burden to have to face and deal with and and in spite of that, like regardless of that, it was like, I'm going to do more than survive. I want to in this horrible situation, I'm going to find fun. It sounds crazy, but I'm going to make sure that I know myself and that I can be happy with who I am despite all this stuff. And despite what people project on me or it give to me, peeling the onion as I as I moved to California, like, this isn't me, this is Tamar, this is this, this is and sort myself and realize where my power is and where my love comes from. And that, you know, it took some time to process. I'm still processing. We may never be over some of the stuff. And, and okay, I'm up for the task, you know, I'm here and I'm bringing it, you know, and every day try to be a real family member, you know, I'm here, you know, my daughter, my wife or so, are you sure you want to do this? Is this really, you know, nervous for themselves? And the only thing that I can remember my mom saying, we talk about closure that I got, which she said, whatever life gives you, don't be afraid. She was the scarediest, the scaredy cat of anyone that I knew. She was, she hid behind words and and it made you go out and be the brave one. But I, it was okay, that was a lesson worth learning, you know, even from someone that I despised, it was something I I actually had some wisdom in that. So, you know, my daughter, my wife, her nervous for me and nervous for us for doing this because of what it may bring or what, you know, not knowing whether it's good or bad, this is good, this is important and not to be afraid, not to run away from family, you know, not do what we're conditioned to do with Tamar telling us one person's good, one person's bad and we, you know, must fight and and and hold on to what, you know, Fana was all about, that love, you know, I'm glad we're talking about this stuff because it's important. We need to be able to give that message to other people too that so anyone that's listening understands that sure we've dealt with our stuff. We're still dealing with our stuff, but we're here for each other and for people that really want to learn from what we on through. Amen. Yeah. I'm really grateful for the opportunity to be able to express love for you, Fana, Elizabeth W. My sister and of course Joy and love, you know, I wish Joy was here to be able to express it to love. Of course, I love you, man, and we need to be closer together. I love you both, you've had in Russia, of course, and let's just work on being closer and work on that and whatever it takes, let's do it. We're here for each other. We love you. We love you. Sounds good to me. Yeah. Yeah. There's only two reasons I'm here. The first was this, scared as I was. It was this. And the second is hope to help others move forward through whatever happened to them. What was done is not who we are. That's right. That's right. Undoing the O'Dell legacy of past. It changes with us. It already has changed with us. Yes. Absolutely. Yes. Absolutely. I mean, the terror has ended. Yeah. Yeah. It's power. It's done. This is the light. This is the light right here. And I want to commend every family member here and acknowledge everything that you've given today. I just want to acknowledge everyone with your strength. Getting together exceeded expectations and it was good to clear the air after so much time. It would be ideal to be able to say that we had a sense of closure, but telling our story is only the beginning. It doesn't erase how we got here. It doesn't erase the things tomorrow with subjected to by George and what that put into motion. And it definitely doesn't erase the pain we feel for Elizabeth's shorts family and the families of any of George's other victims. You should know by now that nothing in this story is neat. We've learned things along the way that have changed all of us and there's no way to put a pretty bow on it. It's always been hard to move forward when we've all been stuck in the past, trying to figure out what's happened and why, and how much guilt or shame should we feel about things that we weren't even alive for? Trying to answer these questions hasn't gotten us far. But now our story's been told and the only question left for us is what type of family will we be? Here's Uncle Steve. Speaking in general as a hotel, you know, our family has been in many respects. Well, we've been estranged. I have never been close to or a part of Tamar's family. And the story has an individual impact on each one of us. That's completely different. But it certainly got us talking. It certainly stirred the pot. That's for sure. I think it's brought us closer together on a philosophical or a psychological level in that we've been able to share this. Ultimately, I'm a firm believer in that the truth shall make you free. I don't care how bad it is. Every family out there has hidden secrets. Back at the beginning of episode one, I said you never know how much family baggage you have until you start digging. Here Steve's brother are great Uncle Kelly. You only have one family and I wouldn't trade with anybody. When I think about the whole family, I think we're pretty good bunch. You know, we've all accomplished and helped society. You know, I can't really think of any bad guys except George. So I'm proud of the hotels. And, you know, I mean, like Steve says, we're all a little crazy, you know. But everybody is. You know, when you think about it, you open a couple of closets, go back a generation or two and you're going to find some pretty shocking things. Thank you so much for listening to "Rude of Evil," the true story of the Hodele family and the Black Dahlia. "Rude of Evil" was executive produced, written and directed by me, Zach Levin, produced by Lloyd Lockridge, executive producers Chris Corcoran, Spencer Brown, Sam Linsky, and Sarah Aubrey. Episodes were edited by Perry Crowell, Bill Schultz, and me. Sound design, mixing, and mastering by Bill Schultz. The theme song for "Rude of Evil" is "Star Dream Girl," written and composed by David Lynch and Dean Hurley, published by Universal Music Group and Downtown Music, courtesy of Sacred Bones Records. Original music provided by Curtis Quasney, production management by Terrence Malangone, artwork and design by Kurt Courtney, on location audio recorded by Vinny Fattato, Eric Lynn Calppo, and Rich Berner. Technical operations and management by Sean Cherry, additional studio recording by one union recording in San Francisco, California, and Cadiz Audio in Portland, Oregon. Production support by John McDermott, Sage Milgram, Serena Regan, Melissa Providence, and Lucas Santrone. Publicity by Hillary Schuff, Scott Radlov, and Courtney Brown. Marketing by Pam Kramer, Josephina Francis, Karina Cogan, Melissa Chamblis, Whitney Portman, Pamela Cracian, and Kristen Boos. Legal support by Karen Andrews. Archival audio was provided by Foss Media and Past Daily. Thank you to Jenny Landers and the Historic Sound in House. And thank you to all of the special guests. And of course, my deepest gratitude to Russia and Yvette, Steve Kelly, Fawna Elizabeth, Peace, Love, and Joy for telling their story. [Music] [Music]