‘You Have 3 Seconds to Answer': The Toxic Countdown Texts Before Mackenzie's Deadly Crash
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The transcript details a deeply toxic and emotionally unstable relationship between Mackenzie and Dom, built on mutual resentment and a pattern of emotional manipulation. Mackenzie frequently blames Dom for her emotional distress, demanding constant attention, free weed, and emotional support, while refusing to acknowledge her own role in conflicts. Text messages reveal recurring cycles of anger, control, and demand—such as insisting on being included in social plans, reacting violently to his friend visits, and threatening to leave or break up over minor issues. Dom consistently tries to maintain peace, setting boundaries and offering compromise, but Mackenzie dismisses these efforts, often accusing him of being toxic or unloving. Her behavior shows a lack of self-awareness and emotional maturity, with frequent outbursts and a tendency to escalate arguments over trivial matters. The pattern of emotional abuse is evident throughout, especially in their text exchanges, where she blames him for everything, while he offers genuine care and understanding. This dynamic appears to have deteriorated significantly over time, culminating in the fatal car crash where Mackenzie, the sole survivor, claims not to remember the event despite clear evidence. Her parents report she immediately reacted with distress upon learning of Dom and Davion’s deaths, showing emotional fragility and a pre-existing pattern of emotional volatility that likely contributed to the breakdown of their relationship. The text evidence suggests a relationship where Mackenzie consistently undermined Dom’s emotional well-being, making it clear that their dynamic was fundamentally unbalanced and psychologically damaging.
better being better boo welcome to the second half of part one of the case of mackenzie shirilla
in the first half of part one we went through a lot of what people have been saying about
mackenzie shirilla's personality getting to know all of her school disciplinary records how she was
trying to be a social media influencer a lot of her private instagram dms because we received a
2 000 page document of just her instagram direct messages that were a little eye-opening as well
as the fact that once she woke up from the car crash as the sole survivor after dominic russo
and davion flanagan were killed in the car crash she claims that she doesn't remember a single
thing she doesn't remember pedal to the metal going nearly 100 miles per hour straight into
a brick building never touching the brake she doesn't remember anything nothing so with that
being said this is the second half text messages from almost exactly a year before the crash mackenzie
tells dom maybe when you can actually formulate a sentence yourself and not just repeat what i said
last i'll take this fucking conversation seriously to which dom responds wtf see i don't say anything
mean you just purposely try to say hurtful things you say that i'm not going on vacation with you
you say you're not going to do anything for me anymore like what you said you were going to break
up with me too like that's all verbally abusive when you want to fix this on both ends let me know
mackenzie responds i'm allowed to say how i feel and if you don't like that then that sucks why
would i want to go on vacation with someone that won't even give me one gram of free weed
so this is literally just her getting mad that he's not giving her weed he tells her he does
give her weed like free weed all the time right he's like what do you you always demand weed from
me i'm giving it to you like what do you she just responds too bad because i don't want your
whack-ass weed anymore i never want it again he's like so we're done over that is there someone else
like you literally got me thinking about quitting weed and she blames everything on dom now a lot
of people might take this as the truth but i will say consistently over 30 000 something pages this
is like a pattern of mackenzie anything wrong happens in her life she blames somebody so she
says how are you going to get me addicted to weed and then not give me weed when i need it like the
fuck so fed up with your shit i personally don't think that dom got her addicted to weed i think
they're all teenagers i think that she would have discovered weed regardless of dom i don't even
know if he's the one that introduced it to her or if they both started at the same time like
she just likes to blame everyone for all of her problems to which dom responds kenzie i try to tell
you not to rip bongs at six in the morning but you do it every day and she responds that's not
the problem hun i give you free weed that doesn't mean you can smoke as much as you want kenzie you
smoke like a chimney and you can't smoke as much as you want and you can't smoke as much as you want
you're being mean as fuck to me right now even when he's trying to be level-headed and worried
for her health she's just kind of freaking out on him she just kind of expects him to do everything
for her even emotionally be there for her no matter what she's feeling and mackenzie feels
a lot of things seemingly all the freaking time when dom is going on a flight to california he
texts mackenzie that it's really annoying because he's in the middle seat quote i'm in between two
people i don't know she responds wtf yeah right so he's thinking oh my gosh like she's feeling bad
i'm gonna need to know if it's a girl he reassures her it probably won't be anyone to worry about i
haven't seen anyone that is attractive at all just mostly weird looking people one person who knows
the couple says none of dom's exes would even keep in contact with him because they all knew
mackenzie was kind of crazy she's psycho a little bit but it seems like he's just expected to do
everything even pay for her in text messages they're discussing a potential trip to new york
city dom is asking her can you afford it which is like a completely normal question to ask because
new york city is one of the most expensive cities in the u.s to visit so it's a completely valid
question mackenzie freaks out actually maybe i don't want to go with you if you're going to be
like that i'm not going on vacation with you so i'm done talking about this why are you literally
being crazy right now to which dom responds kenzie you're being crazy she responds dom i'm filling
out a fucking job application while you're spamming me dom is just so taken aback he's like you're
trying to make me feel obligated to spend thousands of dollars on a job application while you're
she responds in caps then don't question mark which side note about her filling out a job
application mackenzie was fired from multiple jobs those who worked with her said that she
was just like a shit employee for duncan donuts she had just gotten her hair done the day i think
of coming into her shift so the manager tells her hey you know it's like part of the uniform
you have to wear the duncan hat because everybody wears the duncan hat and like you work for duncan
so you gotta wear the duncan hat and she is so offended by this she's sending like voice notes
and she's like can you believe that they told me to wear the hat and i was trying to explain to
them i just got my hair done so i can't wear the hat and the manager was telling her you can't
expect us to let you have special privileges and treat you differently from any of the other
employees like you have to wear the hat mackenzie quits on the spot leaves a horrible review for
the duncan donuts location which normally i side with the employee but it's very interesting that
she genuinely does not comprehend why it's inappropriate for her to be treated differently
than other employees the concept befuddles her to her it's just like what's the big deal about her
which like sure maybe if it was one time but she strikes me as the person to have a new reason
every single time today it's the hat tomorrow it's the oh i can't help you clean something
because i just got my nails done like it's it's always something one peer wearing hot at a fast
food restaurant it's health code what do you eat so one peer tells officers later i mean she worked
with my stepsister at duncan donuts for a little bit that's all i know and then my stepsister told
me that she's a terrible worker she's just rude to everyone she just didn't care she'll post a
list on her instagram stories a picture of a bag that's for sale a purse and then she'll dm dom this
is a new bag it's silver he's confused he's like why are you posting it on your instagram story
just in case someone wants to buy or send it to me um lol okay babe only four hundred dollars
she also sends him a link to venus flowers the forever flowers and then she sends another link
that are three and a half thousand dollars it's like three thousand four hundred dollars for a
pair of boots dom responds those are so gas she responds i want them he's trying to be reasonable
the price tag on them is crazy though do you think you can walk in them mackenzie ignores
and dms him post a pic of us on ig yes what picture you pick i'll see what i got she texts
him another time i'm at norstrom's if i see a skims dress can i buy it but like maybe
the relationship is not always all the time one-sided maybe mackenzie does a lot of things
for dom too in one text message exchange mackenzie texts dom i'm bringing home sushi and calamari for
you dom says bet mackenzie responds i got sushi from this place and they literally gave me the
most gross shit ever to which dom is confused and he's texting her back what place and what
sushi are you bringing me it isn't gonna be gross right mackenzie responds babe i don't know what to
wear tomorrow so it feels like she's bringing him gross shit like the leftovers even prom mackenzie
says that she got a super custom very expensive dress that dom paid half of the entire dress
he even rented a party bus just for the two of them because everybody hates mackenzie at school
so she had no friends to join her party bus and there's videos of the two of them in the party
alone and it looks like dom is doing everything to make
sure mackenzie is having a good time he's singing for her he's trying to make her laugh he's you
know they're he's trying to uplift her mood mackenzie says everybody told us we look like
movie stars at night and if dom ever hangs out with the boys without mackenzie there's many a
times where she gets so upset by that she'll have these very smart instagram dms have fun with a dick
in your ass bro time like if you think i give a single fuck about blair so blair is dom's best
guy friend okay
there was like a because blair keeps coming up there was this misconception on tiktok that blair
was a girl that dom was cheating on mackenzie with this is not true at all like blair is a guy
right and there is no indication that they were having any sort of romantic relationship right so
um just clearing the air on that but she's saying if you think i give a single fuck about blair
you're wrong it's okay though just deal with your super important bro time like are you actually
fucking blair do you want me to pull up to your fucking house right now with a fucking bat like
fucking beat blair's ass and i'm gonna kill you
then he'll really be scared to come around so be careful with who you choose first
again there's no indication whatsoever that dom and blair are romantically involved um
not saying that anything would be wrong if they were but there's literally none
even though mackenzie's overreaction of a message almost seems like something is happening
no she's just upset because he wants to hang out with his best friend to which dom tries to calm
mackenzie down i'm not choosing him first mackenzie ever so calm ever the voice of reason responds
because i will fucking kill you
kill him on god this is all because he makes plans with blair but mackenzie wanted him to
cancel those plans because she suddenly decided she wanted to go out to eat with dom so dom reaches
a compromise that he doesn't even need to compromise on but he offers if you want to go out
to eat we can go in an hour it's pretty simple he's like i'm not just going to cancel on blair
but like we can go out to eat in an hour mackenzie responds you're literally pathetic his dick must
be big if you like it that much i'll just go with someone else who actually wants to be around me
and cares about my health thanks for literally doing nothing she's saying health because eating
yeah but it's like many of dom's friends have reported that they don't really understand why
Dom put up with Mackenzie they all thought that he could do way better with one of Dom's friends
reporting to the police one time we were in this candy shop and this was after they had gotten over
arguing and everything like that and she was like either buy me something or shut the fuck up
no one's trying to listen to you he says Dom would always buy her designer and she would always post
on her TikTok as if she bought the designer and she would call people out for like being broke
side note that seems to check out because in an Instagram DM exchange Mackenzie is arguing with
another person and Mackenzie is telling them mind your business and they come back responding and so
this doesn't seem like an internet hater it seems like someone who knows Mackenzie in real life and
they're responding I'm just saying it isn't your money if you don't earn it yourself I'm not trying
to start shit I'm just so confused on how you talk shit on people being broke but you flex money that
isn't yours and you didn't earn for real not trying to start shit so you don't even got to
respond sorry I was just confused and then realized you probably would take it the wrong way so I
say you're not broke if it's not your money that's all I'm trying to get and everyone agrees with me
like ask anyone anyone who is real with you and honest will agree with me and yeah you're spoiled
and that's fine just don't go around calling other bitches broke when you don't even have your own
money yourself please be more self-aware and you say you hate fake friends but every time I've been
with you or hear about you you're talking shit about someone it's just not a good look Mackenzie
responds something along the lines of like yeah go work your subway shift baby you work at subway
you're not even close to being in my league I need you to stop texting me right now they stopped
texting her so she hits them back with so that comment hit close to home for you huh and they
respond what comment bro all I'm trying to get at is reality if you do not earn the money you spend
it's not your money so don't go around saying you hate broke bitches when in reality if Dom or your
parents left you would be broke too you depend on other people for money and the fact that you say
you hate fake friends but eighty percent of the stuff that comes out of your mouth is talking
shit about someone else if you don't want fake friends don't be fake yourself is all I'm trying
to get at Mackenzie never has a moment of self-reflection because sometimes like you can
get into fights but still have a moment of like maybe they're onto something maybe I should reflect
but she says it's okay babe I would probably be mad if I was broke too and she says baby girl I
need you to stop texting me you're actually weirding me out like we aren't friends and haven't been
friends since sophomore year now stop being worried about my life and go worry about your schedule for
subway next week
she's just um kind of a bitch I don't really know how else to put it after this whole exchange it
appears Mackenzie goes to rant to another friend about it because she's dming her friend about
quote-unquote the haters and the friend responds to her trying to comfort her ugly girls will never
understand if you're pretty you're never broke so what if your boyfriend pays for you if I was
her boyfriend I wouldn't pay for shit because damn what the fuck is that talking about how the way
the way that person looks Mackenzie continues literally and she's
trying to like talk shit on me like it's repulsive do you know how badly I wanted to say worry about
your own weight instead of my pockets but I didn't want to body shame just in case I'm gonna be famous
soon and I can't be cancelled ha ha ha ha that's insane yeah wait do you know when this was sent
like a few months before the crash well she did become famous yeah Mackenzie is also the type of
girl that absolutely hates when people copy her or even when she thinks people are copying her and she
needs Dom to comfort her for the very big emotions that come with people copying her she says redacted
got the same wheel cover as me like you know the fucking pink fuzzy wheel cover steering wheel
yeah Mackenzie texts him so fucking weird like what the fuck question mark question mark question
mark Dom is like do you think she knew she deaf knew how did you even find out even Chloe told me
I accidentally parked next to her lmao like what the fuck Dom is like she's probably gonna be terrified
because again that's how terrifying Mackenzie is just the fact that she found out that you have
the same steering wheel cover and she's gonna be terrified that she found out at some point I don't
know if it's the same girl or another girl but Mackenzie is telling Dom that she wants to beat
her up to which he tells her not to get in trouble that's all he says he's like maybe not because
you're gonna get in trouble don't get in trouble and she's upset no you were actually weird as
fuck and do not talk to me Dom's trying to explain I just don't want you to get in trouble he's like
the voice of reason but Mackenzie isn't having it she feels like Dom worrying about her getting in
trouble is quote let's not defend a fucking whore you're actually weird as fuck and you can go fuck
her if you want to defend her because I don't need nobody I'm not defending her it's weird as fuck I
mean sure she stalks you why are you going overboard on me I just don't want you to get in
trouble and I don't want you super worked up over that like she's obviously just super salty or
jealous of you or something anyway it seems like at this point he's just trying to make her feel
better and she's like and you
obviously got something on your mind with them long pauses you're we're just gonna break up if
I have to fight for you what babe I have no interest in her I don't know why the bitch stalks
you well you low-key just defended her earlier so are you sure about that I didn't defend her I just
didn't think you needed to fight her a lot of conversations seem to end with Dom being the
voice of reason and yet giving up near the end of the conversation because Mackenzie will not see
anything from any perspective that is not her own Mackenzie is in my opinion about as agreeable as
a fucking nuclear weapon she starts messaging Dom on Instagram in the midst of a fight if I fucking
call you you have three goddamn seconds to answer unless you're actually busy which most of the time
you're not she continues to go off on him you are literally a fucking idiot you're about to lose the
best thing that ever happened to you and you're never gonna find anything better than some other
cracked out bitch who just likes taking dick in her ass you have until the end of day to actually
fucking fix this and I'm not telling you how and if you don't fix it then I'm moving on with my
life and I don't need you to be happy you have five seconds to say yes or no or I'm blocking you
and moving on five four three she's like sending separate messages five four she loves her
countdowns five four three two Dom finally responds let me type damn Mackenzie responds in all caps I
don't care I'm so done with you type are you slow like goddamn question mark question mark question
mark question mark question mark so slow it's going to be so hard to come back from this one
especially since you like to
lie and fake apologize just to get your way literally a little boy like I thought you were
a man clearly not Dom is clearly confused because like he doesn't know what's happening he's like
because I didn't answer the phone like I feel like you can't believe that I don't have any
bad intentions I fought for you so hard this past year are you for real like I know you didn't type
that in the five seconds I gave you like that's what you say are you for real n-word you have two
seconds to send that text it better be good slow ass
n-word like holy fuck Dom finally responds you're flustering the shit out of me it's hard to read all
your messages and then send mine within five seconds like damn I don't care at all like
you're crazy for thinking I have bad intentions Mackenzie responds in an almost unintentionally
ironic way in caps you literally suck and just bring me down I don't know so she's blowing up
just that he didn't answer his phone right away in three seconds yeah
like she well she's blowing up for honestly like nothing ever it could be anything this is through
Instagram DMs so this is he wasn't responding through text in the way that she wanted so then
now she's come to Instagram DMs and she's just like ranting and usually like it takes a minute
because they don't really give context to the fight obviously because they're texting each
other but then once you figure out what the fight is about it's like absolutely over nothing and so
Dom is responding I do everything for you I ask for nothing you bring me down you don't let me chase
any of my dreams you always say that you come first Mackenzie doesn't respond to any of the
things that Dom is saying she says I'm gonna give you till the end of the day to apologize and figure
out what you did if you don't actually make this up to me by the end of today and make it good and
make me actually believe you then we are done and I'm moving on with my life Kenzie it's not me I'm
sorry but it's not me anymore you're doing this you're making us break up yes I know I'm doing
this because I have standards unlike you now this is your last chance because I will move on if you
you're gonna be anything without me you are a joke I would answer now Kenzie I'm not afraid of any of
that anymore like I'm all or nothing I love you but I don't have to be with you if you're gonna
try to do this to me once again she ignores him and writes back or else you're gonna get blocked
and I'm gonna start texting people Kenzie you can be with me or go is that your answer so you're
just not gonna make this up to me by the end of the night I don't even know what I'm making up
this is ridiculous is that what you're saying Kenzie I'm not afraid of you I'm not afraid of you
is that what you're saying I would answer is that what you're saying you have until six o'clock or
you're blocked and we're done forever I will literally burn that fucking scrapbook zero
fucks given I love you but I'm not doing this this is crazy I don't get it wow okay we're done
last chance I've given you over three chances today this is your last chance to make things
right and make it up to me by six answer now now now now Dom is so genuinely confused by this he
asks her did all my messages send he literally he's thinking maybe she's not getting his
messages and that's why she's ignoring him and just freaking out unreasonably McKenzie confirms
yes or no I don't give a fuck about your messages Kenzie I don't know what I'm making up probably
don't mean shit anyway I don't care because you're dumb as fuck you have until six I'm not telling
you how to fix anything you're saying I talked bad to you is that what I'm making up yes or no
okay you have until five now Kenzie yeah I'll make up whatever but I don't think any of this
is really necessary are you serious like I know you didn't just say that how fucking dumb can you be
this is a very small argument and you're putting our relationship over it I don't get it
she later quotes him and says
he said something along the lines of like i don't think she quotes i don't think and she says yeah
this is not about what you think you're literally dumb as fuck i feel so bad how the fuck are you
not getting that it's more than that and more than this you lie ignore gaslight dry reply i can keep
going so she like throws out these words but i don't find evidence of any like gaslighting in
the text messages and stuff if anything it's like miscommunication i really don't i would watch her
reply i might dry reply sometimes four so it went from six to five to four she's like you gotta make
it up to me by four p.m now if this isn't made up to me by four o'clock we're done this is my last
text message he's like i don't gaslight i don't do any of that i never intentionally ignore you
4 30 dom responds this can't be every week babe indicating that this happens every week and after
reading all their text messages um it's like multiple times a week actually it's really bad
she responds you're right next time you do this we're done no explanations he's trying to get it
through to her like i feel like you don't feel i love you what the fuck are you talking about
look kenzie this shouldn't end our relationship all i'm saying is like i'll do whatever to make
you happy but i feel like you're being unreasonable today because of your stress
over your toe and your nose and school so like i don't know what happened this is me saying this
like i don't know what happened but like these seem like non-problems your toe your nose
like unless you broke your nose like why is she freaking out on it it's so weird if this isn't
made up correctly by four o'clock i'm blocking you and we are done forever your attitude will
change your attitude needs to change babe we're broken up until you decide what you're gonna do
to fix this if the timer hits four o'clock and nothing has happened we are done your attitude
needs to change and i'll change whatever i know you didn't just say that this is about you you
you called me with a bad attitude
first babe do you want me to break up with you for good right now because that could happen too
and then mckenzie mass text him do you want me to break up with you for good right now do you want
me to break up with you for good right now do you want me to break up with you for good right now do
you want me to break up with you for good right now she sends that four times i'm not repeating
it for emphasis she literally sends the exact same message four times and he tells her you're being
childish i'm not entertaining it so we're done is that what you're saying you're not gonna make
this up to me by four o'clock we're just gonna go through the cycle if you do not answer the
fucking question you are blocked and i'm going to start texting new people like i'm so serious
clearly you don't even want a girlfriend five four three two one dom responds why are you doing
this like i don't get it i mean we can make it three like this isn't love if this is made up to
me by three o'clock if it's not we're done this isn't healthy this isn't right like we can make
it so much better than this we can make it so much better than this we can make it so much better than
this you're right we can make it so much better after you make it up to me at three o'clock and
prove you're gonna do better until then we are broken up i would watch what you say from this
point on because one thing that i said wrong will result in instant blocking and i will literally
start talking to new people dom doesn't respond for an hour before mackenzie dms him again i'm
gonna take this as you're not making this up to me answer right now answer right now
kenzie if you want to be in my life you will be if you want to leave i'm not stopping you
so you're not going to change your attitude and make it up to me so you're not going to
make it up to me yes or no kenzie you have a bad attitude too it's a yes or no question it's a yes
or no question and this is about you not me kenzie no this is about you and you're making it about me
you have a bad attitude babe you called me with a bad attitude first and i'm not doing this anymore
i love you but i have to set boundaries for myself too this is february 20th 2022 five months later
dom will be dead now i'm not singling out this like one toxic fight that happened months
in advance where mackenzie is clearly suffocating dom over and over again not respecting his
boundaries but i'm emphasizing that this happens multiple times a week like it even okay when you
go to part four where we go through the text messages it would be like a five day long video
for me to recount in full every single fight that mackenzie starts april 2022 for example it happens
all over again and this is just from their instagram dms okay because the text messages
are in part four this is from
their dms april 2022 it starts all over dom resorts to dming her because she blocked his
text from coming in and he's confused which side note all of this is happening because dom
did not jump at his feet jump up enthusiastic about wanting to take mackenzie to the grocery
store she says i want to go with you but i want you to try without me telling you you have to try
you only try when it's too late so now it's too late he
responds when was i not trying we've been doing this all day i don't care no you have not why
would i want to be around you after you just did all this bullshit all day what have i done i've
only apologized over and over again all day while you called me names you have two minutes to be at
my house to take me to the grocery store 60 seconds 45 seconds okay i'll be on the way in a
sec then he dms again on the way then he dms when he shows up at her house here even just two months
before dom and davion are killed they're in another fight through instagram and side note by this point
mackenzie is essentially living with dom she's 17 her parents have let her move in but this fight
dom tells her kenzie i'm not gonna talk to you till you acknowledge what you did wrong and side
note i don't want anyone to be under the impression that i'm taking creative liberty in the tone of
dom's voice because there is a video fight of them and most people say that dom was like a very chill
speaker he never is yelling screaming kenzie is always yelling screaming so it's not that like
i'm trying to phrase dom's voice to be more passive like there's a literal fight where
she is outside banging on his door and this is how he talks this is his cadence he's always
trying to diffuse he's never flipping out there's one part where he does raise his voice at mackenzie
and mackenzie intentionally records it but it almost seems like the man is so frustrated like
he's like he's like stop like don't stop don't talk like you're saying disrespectful shit like
stop but this fight it appears that he does not want kenzie at his house because she's being rude
and mean to him which is completely understandable and a healthy boundary to set but she argues that
he's holding his house over her head and she's not gonna let him do that which side note she does not
pay rent this is not her house she doesn't pay mortgage she's not on the title of the deed it's
also not like he kicked her out out of nowhere she could literally just go home to her parents where
she should probably be living mackenzie escalates the fight i'll come today and take all the shit i
got right out of that house so she's like fine i'm moving out for good kenzie i'm not doing anything
like you have been being mean to me and have not stopped since this morning all you have to do is
apologize to me about how you're saying hurtful things i'm done listening to this bullshit and
i'll talk to you when you're in a better state and no kenzie i'm not holding anything over your head
i don't want you here if you're acting like this so you're saying that i'm not allowed to come to
the place i sleep at every night no kenzie i told you that you can talk to me when you say sorry and
coming here is part of it so you're holding it over my head is what you're saying if you can't
apologize or realize what you did wrong i don't want you around me what we're not gonna do is
hold the place that you say i could stay at whenever i want over my head she starts a video
chat he does not pick up mackenzie goes off to which dom says kenzie i just don't want you to
come here and have problems i'm doing the mature thing and we're not going to be able to talk to you
and if you cared you would have stopped too kenzie does not listen he's trying to de-escalate she
says we're not going to play this game i'm not letting you hold a place that that i live in
over my head you don't even care enough to be replying fast no kenzie i don't want you here
because i don't want conflict and you never said sorry either i'm not going to apologize for doing
nothing and i want to come over to eat not to talk to you i'm just going to sit on the couch and
ignore you but there's you holding it over my head again you can let me come over and eat or you can
that i brought over to your house and we can be over approximately three minutes go by dom hasn't
responded so mackenzie writes not sure why you're being dry and not responding dom responds i mean
you did call me the r-word called me a pig said a lot of nasty things and now you want to come eat
my food without apologizing let me know if you're going to keep holding it over my head or not
because i will just get all the pots and pans and stuff i brought to your house right now i'm not
trying to hold it over your head if you can't respect me how do i expect you to respect my
house he says that there's still
coffee on his door from her which seems like he's saying like she threw coffee and there's coffee on
the door but she ignores that and says like i said i will come get everything that i brought over
and holes in my wall the holes in your wall are not from me so are you not letting me come what
does holes in the wall mean punch yeah or like throwing things i would imagine yeah and so dom
says if you can't prove to me you're going to respect me and my home or at least the very least
i don't want you here like if you want me to leave your things outside i will to which kenzie says you
can put everything in a box then if you're not going to let me come to the place that you said
i could always come then put everything that i brought in a box and i'm coming to get it
if you're not going to let me stay at this house then we are done i'm not going to be in a
relationship with somebody that likes to lie and tell me things that are not true you are making
this so much worse is this not what gaslighting is yes and like i do think sometimes how is that
like how does she put it on him like someone gave you a place to stay now she's not going to put it on him
yeah turn it around make it i don't know that's holding it over her head that's gaslighting yeah
it's very manipulative i think sometimes i do have the problem with
a lot of these encounters between kenzie and dom being categorized as toxic in the sense that i do
think that if the roles were reversed i don't know if we would be labeling these fights as toxic i
think we would be much more easily labeling them as completely abusive like it's just really abusive
i there's not really a lighter way to put it and so dom responds kenzie you are like all that was
needed was a simple apology you're not making the right decisions or acting normal so what's it
gonna be so are you not gonna let me come to the place that you said i could always come is that
what you're saying you're treating me like shit stop asking you questions or treating you bad
what the actual fuck like dom is like what the actual fuck this is your last chance to let me
come and eat or you can put all my stuff in a bin and i'll come get it right now i would answer
right now she starts a video chat that goes unanswered she calls again and again and again
and again and again and then she dms dom you just fucked up another video chat goes unanswered you
have three seconds to answer
or i'm coming of course you would rather me starve he keeps telling her she's being toxic
but she keeps calling typing i would answer right now dom seemingly begs her quote stop
you dead ass have 20 seconds this is why i'm not letting you come you're threatening and shit
another video chat then another then another she calls eight times back to back to back to back he
does not respond and then she tells him okay i'm gonna come he doesn't respond to more video chats
she says i would answer right now
like i really don't want to end this relationship but you are not a good person you treat me like
fucking shit i need water and food and you're not letting me eat you are starving me
you would rather me starve i'm so serious when i say answer kenzie stop please i'll bring you food
and water so she's at her parents house now mackenzie has somehow made this about starving
like you're at home you have fucking food and water what are you saying exactly so he's like
i don't want to be around you because we're gonna get into a fight but i will bring you
food and water because you're accusing me of starving you like i will drive to your house
even though you don't deserve it and you haven't even apologized i'll bring you food and water
and then i just need some alone time because this situation is only going to escalate so he's like
willing to do all of this and still de-escalate i mean again if the roles were reversed this is
like frankly a terrifying relationship dynamic that is just abusive dom offers to bring food
water kenzie just gets racist instead she writes to him you need to answer right now n word i do not
want to be here so she's talking about she doesn't want to be home at her parents what are you not
getting you know that which side note a lot of people have interpreted that perhaps there was
some sort of abuse going on in mackenzie's house i really um going through the whole foia file
there's no way to definitively say that that's not what's happening but i don't think so
she genuinely hates her parents for zero reasons like sometimes it'll be
my dad woke me up because he was playing the tv so loud is he fucking r-worded like she'll
literally be texting dom that so where is the parents how did she become this way this is crazy
yeah and again like when she is saying in caps i don't want to be here i know that a lot of us
may be from a point of empathy or trying to give people benefit of the doubt or trying to protect
people who are 17 it's like oh maybe something's going on in the house and she's expressing herself
in this really aggressive manner because she just frantically needs to leave um it that does not
appear to be the case like she genuinely hates her parents because they make them feel like they're
mcdonald's she thinks they're slobs she doesn't like the fact that her dad plays the tv too loud
he's so dense is he slow like she's just yeah there's a whole birthday debacle we're gonna go
into later she is like so adamant that she wants to go to florida for her birthday i'm just gonna
give you a recap because it's so crazy she's so adamant that she's gonna go to florida for her
birthday but there's a hurricane coming to florida because it's florida and she's like yeah i don't
care i'm just pissed off she has her entire family and dom scrambling to figure out where to go
next to make mackenzie happy and she's like you guys are gonna fucking fix this vacay and she's
like she's going off on them and she's like dom you're gonna book me a ticket to cali right now
and fix my birthday vacay and they're all just like trying to make her happy the parents are too
yeah why beats me i mean they're just straight enablers they're so incompetent as parents
if i was the president if i ran this world
i feel like they could even be criminally liable in my fake universe because like how do you raise
someone like this yeah it should be a crime to be this bad of a parent i think it's like worse
it's like similar to neglect like you are neglecting their capabilities of growing up to
be a good contributing member of society it's just so messed up so then she's just responding like
what are you not getting you know that he responds then stopping toxic she does not think that these
two things are connected she writes in all caps i do not want to be here so you're going to starve
me is that what you're saying stop being toxic and i'll let you come he finally tells her i'm done
so she goes off then please just break up with me then if you're gonna sit here and let me beg you
for food and water then break up with me because any good man would never do this to his girlfriend
i would answer right now you're making this so bad for yourself kenzie now you're being toxic i said
i'd bring you food and water but instead you're trying to make it about bringing all your other
stuff i do not want to be here why are you not getting that you didn't let me apologize on the
phone you didn't apologize sincerely to me tom is like i just need 20 minutes just give me 20
minutes and stop being toxic and we can talk again on the phone if you apologize and i can let you
come over but instead you just spam me for the last 20 minutes being toxic as fuck she says if
you're not gonna let me come over here then i'm going to bring all the stuff that i brought home
it's our house you always say that i'm not letting you hold it over my head when i put in the work to
the house too i'm allowed to go over there and eat when all the food that i like is over there
i'm literally letting you come over right now if you would just stop saying all this toxic shit and
just leave it alone for a second and let me brush my teeth and then just call you back and apologize
it's all you had to do you still have to apologize also i'm not being toxic i'm telling you what
you're doing why would i keep bringing pots and pans and stuff for your house over if you're
gonna hold it over my head and not let me there stop it just doesn't make sense you expect all
this good when you treat me like shit you're still doing it you won't stop like what the fuck
what the fuck and you're still not apologizing dom seems frustrated he just tells her let me just
bring you food i do not want to be here can you not read and if you still want me to bring other
shit i'll bring it later like she responds why are you not understanding that i do not want to
be here then stop being toxic and arguing with me i'm gonna come over or this relationship is going
to be over i'm not letting you do this to me just let me cool down just let it cool down for 10
minutes and then apologize you're not gonna hold uh over a house that we built together over my head
what yeah she's acting like she's fucking martha stewarding this house like she's done nothing she
also like she never cleans she lives like a slob everyone has tested not testified but they have
spoken up about how she's a slob dom tells her like i'm asking for the bare minimum mckenzie
responds and i'm asking for literally one peach and water but you can't even let me come eat
oh dom responds and
all caps stop why is this making you so mad i can't ask for food now so now she's acting like
he's like this a threatening abusive person who's like controlling what she eats i'm about to be
done texting you i told you so many times i'll bring you a peach and water and if you really
want i can bring the rest of the stuff later but instead you're trying to say i'm holding my house
and food over your head when i'm really not you just can't respect me and can't stop arguing and
being toxic that's why i'm not letting you over this is when she
finally apologizes a little bit not really she says obviously i'm sorry for calling you names
my life was literally going to shit and so many things were happening which obviously you don't
care about i didn't mean anything that i called you because you didn't mean what you said i'm not
being toxic and i'm respecting you i've done nothing disrespectful except ask you for food
you're still not understanding that i do not want to be here and you're still offering to bring me
food somewhere where i don't want it when i could literally come there and eat why are you doing
this you are treating me like fucking shit right now if this old pattern is going to keep happening
then i don't know if i can do this anymore dom tries to set boundaries which like that was not
even an apology by the way okay dom tries to set boundaries for the trillionth time you are being
toxic by forcing me to do things i wasn't forcing you to do anything you could have just let me come
over and all of this would have been chill like i need food and water so bad you don't even care
dom responds with what mckenzie was forcing him to do he says you're not letting me get off the
i said that all you had to do to come over was just apologize or leave me alone for a little
bit to cool down but instead you said you can't apologize and then you said that i have to bring
you all your things when i said that i could bring you a peach and water but i was only saying that
because you were going to apologize see you're making it a loop because every single time i was
telling you to apologize you were saying no and then i was saying well let me bring you food and
water and a peach and then you were saying oh i'm holding the house over your head i'm holding food
over your head when all i wanted was an apology so that you know for you to just come from you to
keep saying but then you keep saying i don't care that you just need food and water but i've been
trying to bring it to you this whole time and you just keep arguing with me see how you're still
being toxic so he's like finally like letting it out okay he's like we're just going in a loop and
i think that's why the message is so confusing because he's like i'm living in a loop i don't
even know what's going on like this is what you're forcing me to do and after all of that because
he's like all i wanted was an apology like that's the crux of his feeling he's like i just want you
to apologize for being toxic which is completely reasonable mackenzie responds did you not read my
apology like what the fuck
like why are you acting like i didn't apologize when i literally just said she sends a screenshot
of her half-assed apology just two seconds ago and then sends it to him you could have just read
that and understood but i guess not dom is so confused he says you didn't read anything i said
you apologized for calling me names and then continue to be toxic so you're not gonna let me
come over now when i literally apologized dom clearly doesn't feel heard and his boundaries
are still being crossed he writes quote you apologize and are still toxic she flips out like
what is going on why aren't you letting me come and eat she keeps doing this until finally he
texts her fine come eat are you sure yeah just don't be toxic i was never holding anything over
your head i said i'd bring you food and water i said leave me alone for a second apologize
and you could come over too but you didn't leave me alone i do appreciate the apology you did make
though it's not about who's right or wrong it's about understanding and growth this is what dom
says and this is from may 23rd 2022 just two months before dom is killed
since davion is no longer 18 years old his parents felt that he was ready to be taken off their life
app which is the app like your parents can track the kids locations whether or not they're speeding
or they're driving or if they're in the car right now or if they're walking but instead of just
getting rid of the app altogether davion instead connects it to his friend group so he has a tight
close-knit group of friends and they all share each other's life 360 apps i guess it's like you
know find my friends you just want to make sure everybody's safe you want to track everybody's
locations make sure that everybody is it's i think the idea is very responsible now july 31st 2022
at 9 43 a.m davion's friends are on the life 360 app and they're confused because they see
davion's location is heading towards the strongsville police station but they're like okay
well maybe he's just heading in that general direction it doesn't necessarily mean he's going
to the police station right within a few minutes davion's location shows that he is inside the
strongsville police station or at least his phone is and they're like this is really odd like why
would davion be at the police station at 10 in the morning like this is so weird they check his life
360 history and they're like oh my god he's going to the strongsville police station and they're like
and they notice there is this weird incident that happened at 5 30 a.m at 5 30 a.m they get an alert
and it shows davion's phone location heading down progress drive progress drive is technically
officially called progress drive business park because it's basically a commercial road
i don't even know if commercial is the right word it's more so industrial so you drive down progress
and it's just a ton of these light industrial warehouses i feel like you've all seen those
business parks
where you've got the flex office spaces and then you've got the warehouses you see lots of big
trucks driving through that road it's not massive amazon level warehouses but it's also not corporate
in the sense of like oh this is our corporate location where we invite clients over like you're
going to see a lot of manufacturing companies pipeline businesses plumbing businesses have
you know locations down here like ici metals rafter equipment corporation
pipeline development company like they all have buildings along progress drive
it's just warehouses and their parking lots there's no residential homes no shops that you
can stop in and grab a coffee no pedestrians it's just an industrial road why would davion be there
at 5 35 in the morning with an alert on life 360 showing high speed alert with the top speed at 90
miles per hour and the life 360 app shows that davion's location is stopped for a point in time
at one of the warehouse buildings specifically the pipeline development company it almost looks like
he's gone into the building and he's not in the building he's not in the building he's not in the
building with his phone why would davion be in this random warehouse building at 5 35 a.m and now a few
hours later he's just heading to the strongsville police station davion's friends are really
confused they're trying to like in real time piece together what's going on because they're
like what's happening 6 15 a.m a 911 call is made there's a car that's smashed up against the
building i didn't go up to it because i was on my motorcycle i don't know if i'd get stuck but
they ran the curb i can see they smashed the sign and hit the building the car is
trashed that's the direct 911 call when the first responding officer arrives at the end of progress
drive so this is kind of a dead-end zone progress drive you make a right turn from the main road of
pearl and you make a right turn onto progress or at least that's what mckenzie did and it's like
this half mile drive it's some people call it like a straight shot but it's not really there are gentle
curves along this road and the road is pretty fucked up i mean it's an industrial road first
of all it's actually one of the best roads in the world and it's not really a good road
the older roads in the city but it's an industrial road so you have lots of heavy
trucks and machinery driving past it so the concrete on the pavement is not very level
and i guess the city is thinking well we don't really have a lot of people driving through this
this is like an industrial area and it's probably going to get messed up anyway so they haven't
really fixed it so it's kind of a bumpy drive it's not a drive where you can just kind of wing
it it's like you you'd want to have good control over your car yeah now at the very end of progress
drive there is like a dead end so you keep driving down progress and then you're going to see
grass a sign for the pipeline company and then the red brick building yeah when you get there
on the road you can make a right or a left so it's a t intersection oh i see but you cannot
keep going straight because that's where the red brick building is but that is what mckenzie's black
toyota has done it has gone straight essentially flying through the building sign through the grass
and jamming the car straight into the corner of this warehouse building the car looks obliterated
you can hear the officer the first responding officer through the body cam starting to freak
out and he's going straight into work he is booking it to the car as quickly as he's can he can he's
panting and as he's running through the grass you see that there's just massive chunks of this car
and debris scattered all around the car accident looks not accident the car crash looks less like
a car crash i say accident because he doesn't know what's going on so to him like he's responding to
a car accident it looks like a bomb went off
the car looks like it exploded the only way to convey the extent of the car's state through words
is it looks like the front passenger side of the car had been run through a hydraulic press
it's just like smash disintegrated the officer radios in for backup radio there's a car split
into radio there's an occupant inside so he notices the driver first because naturally
that's the first place you look for an occupant send us some squad now we got to bust the window
out send us some more units this is not a fresh accident either she's been here for a while
he sees initially just one person in the car then he radios again we got at least two occupants in
here no one's moving oh my god oh my god times three radio three occupants no one's conscious
no one's breathing and they start freaking out they're like trying to bust the window
there's banging he's banging he's like screaming who can hear my voice radio we're gonna need full
extraction all three and he's um saying like holy shit this is bad guys they're all pretty young
now upon first glance the front passenger side
where dom was sitting has a lot of the impact um there's a video of the car and this is the
video is taken after the car is taken to a separate lot and the front of the car i was
almost confused like am i being shown the wrong car like are they going to move to show me the
black toyota because the front of the car looks white because it's not like it's a half paint job
it's the front of the car had been disintegrated where all you can see is metal that's it the
officer doesn't have anything hard to smash open the windows like multiple units arrive and
they're just like trying they're even thinking like do we use our gun like we need to get in here
they can't get the window open eventually they jam it open and once they get into the car they
can quickly tell that two of them are not going to make it i know that there is um speculations
theories online that davion was alive at the time of the unit's arrival it seems like that is not
accurate by all accounts um dom and davion were confirmed doa dead
on arrival by the officers first responding officer later says in a less panicked and more
somber tone like we got two that are gone jesus christ like this is probably the worst i've ever
seen he's trying to explain to the new officers that are showing up like it's like a nightmare i
ran up i go this is bad i ran up i saw one i called her in i looked in the back there's two
i call it in and then you see three and you're like jesus and no one's fucking moving at some
point the officers find an id and realize that the individual in
the back seat is davion and i don't know how this officer knows um maybe he has a kid the
same age or maybe he's just very involved in high school sports but he says he's a fucking
strongsville football player and so they mention that he's a running back and the officer walks
to the back seat of the car and taps on the metal and says rest in peace buddy the first responders
the they arrive and they inform the other officers at the scene contacted the
coroner they're on their way out and just to add to the chaos you know there's wind and debris being
thrown about because a life flight has landed to take the only person that has a pulse into this
flying er to the hospital now the day after the crash police are knocking on the door to the
hospital room with the only survivor and that is mackenzie shavilla she has three broken ribs a
lacerated liver kidney damaged arteries a broken femur above the knee her legs and arms are in
casts she has neck brace on she does objectively look messed up
but she's alive she's the only one from the car that is alive and by this point her parents have
told her they say that they told her that her boyfriend dom and davion had been
kilt. Mackenzie's parents say that after getting out of surgery in the middle of the night Mackenzie
asked where's Dom. They didn't really think that there was a way to calm her down so they tell her
and she's just screaming it's not him it's not him. Then she asked about Davian and they say
that she learns that he didn't make it and she was just sobbing oh god oh god. But the officers
aren't really interested in any of that. They want to know what the hell happened in that car because
it doesn't make any sense. They were able to pull CCTV camera footage from a nearby warehouse that
shows the black Toyota that Mackenzie is driving. There's sound to the CCTV and it sounds like a
missile and you hear the crash. I will say that there are TikToks going around that they enhance
the audio and you can hear one of the boys screaming Mackenzie no. That does not appear
to be true at all. It would have been in the police reports. It would have been talked about
during the trial but you can hear the car and it's going fast and you hear it crash. It sounds
it sounds bad. There is no feasible reason that the officers can think of of what would cause
Mackenzie to drive in this manner. Like this is not a road that is easy to speed on. It's an
industrial road with a speed limit of 35 miles per hour. Not saying that you can't speed over the
speed limit but it's like a pretty bumpy road. So one of the officers actually got into his cruiser
and he went around 55 in his cruiser and he said like the wheel was shaking because like I said
the road the concrete is kind of messed up. It's an industrial road. So he's like to be able to
speed over it because it's not like they were going all over the place. It's like a straight
shot missile. It's not like she's you know driving and swerving and hitting things and
hitting the curb and then slamming into the building. It's like it almost looks like you'd
have to be pretty in control of the vehicle which also they think that means if someone blacked out
or passed out or were so drunk this is not a road that you can maneuver before straight
shotting it into the building. They're like if she was drunk on progress she would have hit
something else first.
Oh because it's like a there's like this gentle driving. Yes what they're saying they're like and
and they pull another version of CCTV camera. So remember Pearl is the main road of Strongsville
progress you turn right so you're on Pearl then you make a right onto progress. They pull CCTV
camera from that road and Mackenzie when she does that right turn her blinkers on she slows down
and she has a controlled right turn and then within the span of like half a mile suddenly she
loses control loses control of the car and then speed shots it almost a hundred miles per hour
straight into the building. So like none nothing makes sense. I think initially when the police got
there they're thinking okay young kids we found shrooms on Mackenzie. They found a quartz Ziploc
bag of shrooms on Mackenzie's person along with a digital scale. So they're thinking maybe this is
impaired driving but when they get all the CCTV camera they're like that doesn't make sense.
How are you driving?
Completely normally and completely safe and then all of a sudden you cannot drive.
With the argument essentially being okay so if Mackenzie is impaired she's somehow managing to
drive with the skill of like an F1 driver straight into a building. So the police believe that rules
out the fact that she could be impaired though they do do a toxicology report or test just to
make sure and more on that in a second but later Mackenzie and her parents as well as her defense
attorney will argue that Mackenzie was impaired.
Just not by drugs. Not by anything that's going to show up in the toxicology. They argue that
Mackenzie was diagnosed with POTS which can cause someone to faint. I will note that not everyone
diagnosed with POTS faints. It's actually like this is a very misrepresented diagnosis. In fact
that's a point of frustration with a lot of people who are diagnosed with POTS is that everyone
assumes that they pass out when it's not even part of the diagnostic criteria.
Diagnostic criteria typically rests entirely on heart rate response not fainting. Fainting however
is a possible symptom but not everyone with POTS faints. In fact it's considered kind of like a
rare event. It's been described as a disorder where it just feels like you're going to faint
and you might faint. It is you know life-altering but it's not like oh everyone with POTS is
fainting all the time and like they shouldn't be behind the wheel. Like it's not this like
oh my gosh so scary you're gonna die and like everyone you can't be behind a car
the hallmark for POTS is more so a heart rate increase of at least 30 beats per minute in
adults within the first 10 minutes of standing up or a head up tilt. It's very much based on
standing up. That's like a huge thing with POTS. It's okay so a lot of it is centered around when
someone without POTS, I guess like if you and I were not diagnosed with POTS, we stand up. Gravity
pulls 10 to 15 percent of blood into the stomach and the legs. The body will compensate by tightening
the blood vessels.
And modestly adjusting the heart rate. For people with POTS, the blood vessels will not tighten.
So blood you know pools below the heart and in an attempt to overcorrect because the body doesn't
really like they're like whoa what's going on. Then the body will flood their system with
norepinephrine and epinephrine. So the heart is just getting epinephrine and norepinephrine and
doesn't really know why. So naturally it causes the heart rate to shoot up abnormally. So you
have a lot of people with POTS that are like oh my god I need to go to the doctor. I need to go to
the doctor. POTS is a life-altering diagnosis and I'm not trying to say like oh this is not serious but
it's not considered life-threatening. There are no deaths attributed directly to POTS. I think that's
a huge thing that people in the POTS community feel like the stigma is a lot especially with
driving. And I was actually on the POTS subreddit and they really hate really hate Mackenzie it
seems. Because a lot of them most of them have been diagnosed with POTS for decades. A lot of
them say they've never fainted. And they actually it was like very annoying because when people find
out they have POTS it's always like how can you dare drive. Like it's there's so many misconceptions
about POTS and it's just not they feel it's not true. So that's not to say that people with POTS
don't faint. They absolutely can and do and it can be life-altering when they faint because typically
the biggest practical danger of POTS is injury from fainting. So like you faint you fall and you
it does appear that the general public does just think it's a fainting disease which doesn't seem
to be the case at all. But it's also a condition where you could have been diagnosed gone years
without fainting and then you suddenly faint. It is entirely possible. Does that mean that that's
what happened in this case? Most people don't think so for a lot of reasons that we're going
to dive deeper in a separate episode but I'm just going to give you a little bit right now. So
interestingly enough a lot of people with POTS thinks that this whole thing is ridiculous. Okay
even the way that Mackenzie's
mom talks about POTS in court later during Mackenzie's trial she calls POTS a blood pressure
condition which inherently is not true. So when your blood pressure drops that's when people faint.
Fainting can be a symptom for some people with POTS but the condition itself is not a blood
pressure condition. It's like more a heart rate condition. So it's just like people are like
how can you say that your daughter is diagnosed with POTS and that's what caused this fatal crash
but you sound so uneducated about POTS. Like if this was truly a condition that was life-altering
enough for Mackenzie to get diagnosed with it and then later according to them get into a fatal car
accident killing two people in the car because of POTS you would think her mother would know a bit
about POTS but she calls it a blood pressure condition in court which is inherently not true.
Blood pressure again plays a role but it's not a blood pressure condition. If you go on the POTS
subreddit you'll actually see a lot of people who argue that had this been a POTS related episode
it's more likely that her body would go limp.
Rather than floor the pedal all the way straight into the wall. So they're saying like when you
faint it's more likely with POTS that your body goes limp. I see. One person literally comments
she's so fucking stupid if this were a POTS episode the exact opposite would happen. There are also
speculations that her diagnosis could have come from the fact that she was engaged in super heavy
drug use and she does appear to be low on the BMI scale. So feeling lightheaded upon standing
is not always POTS. It could
be because you're malnourished or your BMI is too low. It could be heavy drug usage. It could be
like low iron. It could be lots of things but again like with POTS diagnosis that's why a lot
of people again are in the community upset. There's a lot of specific criteria. Usually the
gold standard is a tilt test. They like strap you to this board and they put you in a direction which
would simulate standing up and they keep you there for like 10
minutes while they're watching your heart rate and all of these things. But she gets diagnosed
in 2017 because she apparently like fainted in the kitchen. Her mom takes her to the Cleveland
Clinic and she's prescribed salt tabs and is diagnosed with POTS. And then it just seems like
nothing ever happens. Like they don't get follow-ups. They don't do further diagnostic
testing at least that it's not revealed in court. I don't have her medical records but I would
assume that the defense would have used it. In fact I also think it's weird that the defense if
they really were trying to argue this whole POTS thing why don't you just strap her up to the tilt
test board? Why don't you like definitively prove? Because Natalie Shirela didn't even know
the diagnosing physician. She's like I don't even know what doctor it was. Like there was no upkeep
in this POTS diagnosis. There was nothing. And then also it's the fact that people were saying
okay so she fainted once in the kitchen and this is not to comment on people's weights but she does
seem probably very low on the BMI scale to the point where some doctors
may be alarmed, that could cause lightheadedness, that could cause fainting.
is engaging in heavy drug use it could be a wide variety of reasons and her mom gets her diagnosed
with POTS right so it's just like and if that were all true if this is the case Mackenzie faints in
the kitchen her mom gets her diagnosed with POTS and her mom still let her have a car while smoking
weed with POTS is I mean that would be a huge problem because not because people with POTS
cannot drive because they absolutely can and just as safely as any other law-abiding citizen without
POTS but Mackenzie is 17 her mom says she's fainting in the kitchen her parents know she
partakes in an ungodly amount of smoking weed and she's trying to like make the plant go extinct
like that's how much she's trying to smoke weed and she likes to drive while high on weed I would
imagine like that's a huge problem if you're letting your daughter do that and another thing
is if the gibberish speak the carny speak in the hospital room is to be believed the fact that she
was speaking and what her dad you know describes to be carny allegedly saying can we just tell
them that I had a seizure seizures and POTS are not even the same thing like these are entirely
different things seizures and fainting due to POTS are not the same we can't just fucking make pasta
and see what sticks to the wall a lot of comments on the POTS subreddit are along the lines of like
genuinely made me so mad I feel like her claims are just adding to the misconceptions about POTS
how in the world would a POTS episode make you push harder on the gas such absolutely bullshit
and I'm glad she's
in jail another one reads amazing how fainting and losing consciousness can perfectly keep the
car steered and accelerated for sure another says my jaw hit the floor when she said it was a medical
event due to POTS only people with POTS would know that's not how it works people have also
noted that during the trial during high stress situations with likely dehydration and other
things playing into the mix she never asked for a break because she felt like she was fainting which
is reasonable and expected for someone with POTS so because like your heart rate goes up
when you're stressed and high cortisol and you know she's sitting in the courtroom on trial she's
probably not drinking a ton of water dehydration and she never asked like the judge for a moment
because she's feels like faint and light-headed you know there's lots of moments where she's
standing sitting judge walks in she stands like there's not like suddenly nothing matters you
only had POTS in that like two minutes in the car they also argue that medical records after
she's life flighted don't match someone with POTS that after being pulled out of the car she's not
being pulled out of that car with all the other factors her blood pressure was qualitatively
described as elevated when she's pulled from the crash now I will say they are pulled from the
crash way later from the actual accident but some people have argued like POTS would cause if you
fainted it would be low blood pressure not high blood pressure but she had elevated blood pressure
she also had a normal heart rate and ECG showing normal electrical heart function which
probably wouldn't happen they think in a POTS episode
within like even an hour like POTS episode all of that physical trauma and then your heart rate is
normal like they just don't think that makes sense and also when they extract her from the car it's
like a posterior condition so she's being moved so that would mean if she does have POTS her heart
rate should go up because she's going from sitting to probably at least some form of like her she's
moving now it's interesting to note that her defense did not bring an expert to testify about
Mackenzie's POTS and how she could have fainted while operating the vehicle
some people believe it was a genuine accident and people who believe it was not have mixed
reasonings as to why the defense did not bring in an expert during the trial we're going to get
into it in a second I feel like I'm getting ahead of myself but we're going to cover it thoroughly
later so the first theory that police had was that Mackenzie was high and impaired while driving
but it just doesn't make sense with all the CCTV footage they're getting very early on Mackenzie's
mom is saying things like oh she has POTS she has POTS like in the hospital so she's like oh maybe
it was the POTS right and then she's like oh she's like oh she's like oh she's like oh she's like oh
and the police are like well that doesn't seem to be the case either like we don't really think
that's what happened either so the police get the black box data from the vehicle and according to
the reports it reads the Toyota averaged approximately 80.51 miles per hour in the
final second leading up to the collision as it traveled off the roadway so it struck the
commercial sign and then the eastern side of the building the black box shows that five seconds
before hitting before impact the Toyota was a hundred percent acceleration meaning the gas pedal
was pressed all the way down you could not press on the gas further fully depressed you cannot press
down further like this is very pertinent and at no point in the five seconds was the brake pedal
ever pressed this is the single most consequential data point in this case I will say there is a
change in the engine throttle before impact that is argued that the car was airborne so when it
hit the curb it I'm not saying it like flew but it was off the ground and that will naturally impact
the throttle engine readings but the brake was never pressed within the final seconds there is
a small right turn of the steering wheel then a small left turn and then a significant right turn
of 142 degrees of the steering wheel one second before the crash the shift the gear shift is
moved to neutral and then moved back to drive now this is done manually this does not slip on its
own there's nothing in the black box that would show that the car would
initiate or engage some sort of protection mode or safety feature where it would go to neutral
then back to drive so like something something is happening with the gear shift physically
manually in the car the car was also found to not have any malfunctions or mechanical errors
that could have caused this now I say this with a lot of cases if anyone truly believes that a
in a case a car malfunction is the cause of death or deaths I think a wrongful death suit demanding
tens of millions of dollars will be knocking on the car manufacturer's door like that is
my opinion obviously
but I think that is a strong thing so the black box data shows there's no malfunctioning of the
vehicle I will note there have been conversations online about whether or not Toyota had acceleration
issues in the past so some people are like oh yeah Toyota had this thing where it would just
freaking accelerate even if when you didn't want it to which makes it sound like Toyota's would
just go a hundred miles per hour out of the blue leaving the driver and occupants trapped in a
Normal investigations were held into Toyota's, what they called the acceleration problem.
The Department of Transportation, so there were multiple calls coming in saying like,
oh, the Toyota won't break.
Like, I don't know what to do.
I'm not stepping on, I'm stepping on the brake, but it's accelerating.
Like, help me, help me.
Like, people are freaking out.
The Department of Transportation actually found that the acceleration from Toyotas,
the unintentional accelerations from Toyotas, was mainly from floor mats getting stuck onto
the gas pedal.
And more often than not, drivers who inadvertently pressed the gas pedal thinking they were pressing
the brakes and then panicking, but it's, a lot of it was user error.
Toyota did a massive recall because they thought the financial loss was better than fighting
public opinion.
There's a whole revisionist history episode on it that I would probably recommend.
NASA engineers also helped investigate, and the fightings were, NASA found no evidence
that a malfunction in electronics caused large unintended accelerations.
But this entire piece of Toyota history does not go.
Without its own complications, lots of people have their own opinions about what happened
in the past.
There were fatalities connected to what has been dubbed like the unintended acceleration
crisis, but there are also conspiracies.
A lot of people believe that this was propaganda by American car manufacturers to sow fear
in foreign-made cars.
Others believe that Toyota paid the fine, so they must have known something was messed
up with the cars.
I do think there was some allegation of sticky gas pedals, but it's just, I'm just giving
you a summary of the mixed feelings that people have.
I will note that while diving into these conversations though, even on Reddit, Toyota has at least
anecdotally ranked as a very well-trusted car brand.
And the argument goes on and on about, is this real history?
Because everyone, it seems like most people, they were like, oh, no, Toyota did something
bad.
And then everyone in the comments is like, actually, you're wrong.
So this is actually what happened.
And then the findings are here, but then some people are saying, well, there's this 200
page court document where Toyota paid a fine.
And it's not a rabbit hole that I felt was pertinent enough to go down, but it's just,
there's no way that that's what happened in McKenzie's car, especially because, and the
only reason I'm bringing this up is because her vehicle most likely had a brake override
system, which is BOS.
Toyota started installing these preemptively after 2009 because of this whole like unintended
acceleration crisis.
So essentially, if you feel like you're in a car accident, you're in a car accident,
your car is accelerating unintendedly.
Let's say your gas pedal is stuck.
If you hit the brakes, it'll neutral out the acceleration.
It'll engage a safety feature.
Yeah.
So you'll just be idle because you're hitting both technically.
Right.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
But I mean, that's, that was never engaged because McKenzie never hit the brake, but
people are saying like, if this was one of those unintended accelerations, right, she
would have hit the brake and there's a safety feature that would have been triggered.
It's pertinent to the case because there is a picture of a fuzzy Prada slipper found stuck
under the acceleration pedal in the crash Toyota.
A lot of people wonder, is this another unintended acceleration issue?
Again, no, because the brakes were never hit.
Toyota's have that safety feature that's been put in and the prosecutor says we got back
the lab results and the, in his professional opinion, the experts stated the slipper was
stuck to the floorboard because of the impact.
Like when the car was crushed.
The floorboard had actually crumbled around the slipper, so it had no contribution
to the crash it was simply a result of the crash but let's say you don't trust the prosecutor or
his opinions still the bos system prada slipper gets stuck if she hits the brakes the bos system
would have been engaged and it would have stopped the car so if it's not impaired driving if it's
not pots if it's not a car malfunction if it's not an acceleration pedal that's stuck what is it
and why did the car go to neutral then go to drive why was the steering wheel yanked to the right
the prosecutor says it was chilling if anybody was awake and alert inside that car
what a horrific last few seconds they endured it is hard to comprehend that someone could just
drive into a wall at that kind of speed it is widely believed that dom and davion were trying
to save their lives in the last few moments and perhaps there was one of the boys had tried to
put the car in neutral to slow it down it gets put back into drive maybe
they're trying to take over the steering wheel another thing to note is the two boys were not
found with their seat belts on and lots of people have reported that they always wear seat belts
so they think they took it off to try and stop the car and interestingly enough mackenzie who
i've watched so many of her videos of her driving under the influence she almost never wears a seat
belt but the day of the crash she's wearing a seat belt
she's the only one out of the three yeah so with that being said that is part one of the mackenzie
shirilla case stay tuned for the next few parts because we think that we've this is just the
surface let me know in the comments what are your thoughts and i'll see you in the next one bye
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Mackenzie frequently blames Dom for her emotional issues, even in minor conflicts, showing a pattern of externalizing responsibility.
Text exchanges reveal her obsession with control, such as demanding free weed, refusing to share space, and reacting aggressively to his plans.
Mackenzie exhibits extreme jealousy and insecurity, escalating fights over small incidents like shared clothing or social outings.
Dom consistently tries to set healthy boundaries and de-escalate, but Mackenzie dismisses his efforts, often labeling him as toxic or unloving.
The relationship is marked by repetitive cycles of conflict, where Mackenzie demands apologies and food while refusing to acknowledge his efforts.
Mackenzie displays a lack of self-reflection and a deep need for validation, often reacting with rage when her needs are unmet.
Her behavior includes gaslighting, emotional manipulation, and a refusal to accept responsibility for her actions or emotions.
After the car crash, Mackenzie claims to have no memory of the event, yet her text history shows intense emotional volatility leading up to it.
Summary:
The transcript details a deeply toxic and emotionally unstable relationship between Mackenzie and Dom, built on mutual resentment and a pattern of emotional manipulation. Mackenzie frequently blames Dom for her emotional distress, demanding constant attention, free weed, and emotional support, while refusing to acknowledge her own role in conflicts. Text messages reveal recurring cycles of anger, control, and demand—such as insisting on being included in social plans, reacting violently to his friend visits, and threatening to leave or break up over minor issues.
Dom consistently tries to maintain peace, setting boundaries and offering compromise, but Mackenzie dismisses these efforts, often accusing him of being toxic or unloving. Her behavior shows a lack of self-awareness and emotional maturity, with frequent outbursts and a tendency to escalate arguments over trivial matters. The pattern of emotional abuse is evident throughout, especially in their text exchanges, where she blames him for everything, while he offers genuine care and understanding.
This dynamic appears to have deteriorated significantly over time, culminating in the fatal car crash where Mackenzie, the sole survivor, claims not to remember the event despite clear evidence. Her parents report she immediately reacted with distress upon learning of Dom and Davion’s deaths, showing emotional fragility and a pre-existing pattern of emotional volatility that likely contributed to the breakdown of their relationship. The text evidence suggests a relationship where Mackenzie consistently undermined Dom’s emotional well-being, making it clear that their dynamic was fundamentally unbalanced and psychologically damaging.
FAQs
Mackenzie claims she doesn't remember anything from the crash, including driving at nearly 100 miles per hour and hitting a brick building, stating she has no memory of the event.
Their texts show a pattern of conflict, with Mackenzie frequently blaming Dominic for issues, demanding free weed, and being emotionally dependent, while Dominic tries to set boundaries and remain supportive.
Yes, Mackenzie made a half-hearted apology, citing her own emotional distress, but it was not taken seriously by Dominic, who felt she continued to be toxic and disrespectful.
Yes, she was fired from multiple jobs, including at Duncan Donuts, where she argued with management over wearing a uniform hat and was accused of being rude and unprofessional.
Mackenzie became enraged when she learned someone had the same pink fuzzy wheel cover as her, threatening to fight and blaming Dominic for not protecting her from such copycats.
The arguments grew more intense and frequent, with Mackenzie frequently demanding apologies, threatening to end the relationship, and escalating conflicts by threatening to leave or starve Dominic.
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