“YOU Funded Hamas!” Former Israel PM Reacts To Qatar PM Interview | With Ana Kasparian & Joe Kent

I fought in Fallujah, I fought in Ramadi, I fought in the job. The U.S. military does not behave like the Israeli defense force. No country in the history of warfare has ever done war to protect the civilians of enemy countries. Benjamin Netanyahu of course is a war criminal and he's not the only one in Israel who happens to be one. When are the Zionists done sucking the life out of this country on behalf of that tiny irrelevant war-thirsty country in the Middle East? This war will go down in history as a positive step in preventing a nuclear holocaust. Josh, are you going to go- Josh, are you going to go- Are you going to go- Josh, are you going to go settle up? Israel's mistake is a shouldn't declared war on Gaza, the way the United States declared war on Germany. So bloodthirsty. The guitarist prime minister and the country whose government he runs occupy a powerful and pivotal role into the biggest crises in the world today. They are the chief mediators in Gaza with the unique and complicated access to both Israel and Hamas and they are a critical back channel broker with the only hotline to both President Trump and to Tehran. That doesn't mean they're all best friends far from it and they serenely candid interview on this show that prime minister made that crystal clear. He told me that Trump should cool down his apocalyptic threats if he wants to end the Iran war. So just maybe cool it a bit, President Trump. We hope so, be very fair, it will be easier, much easier for us if there is no media at all. He revealed that he's never spoken to the new Ayatollah amid U.S.-led rumours that he may already be dead. We didn't have any direct engagement. Do you believe he's alive? I don't know. And then his toughest talk yet on the Israeli prime minister, he told me there's no doubt that Netanyahu is a war criminal for what explicitly calls the genocide in Gaza. What's being committed in Gaza is war crimes, and however responsible for this is a war criminal. So he is? Yes. Well ahead of our wide range of interview, Netanyahu used his speech at the UN General Assembly to directly accuse Qatar of funding anti-Israel propaganda. Most delegates walked out in process, but Netanyahu speech wasn't intended for them. It was for the cameras and the pro-Israel commentators who do his bidding. But most for all, it was for his voting base at home as he fights with political life. Several foreign countries have spent untold billions to spread lies about my country. The first to do so was Qatar. Decades ago, it started massively funding American universities and toxic media outlets like Al-Jazeera. They did the same in Europe, by the way. And their goal was clear, brainwash young minds to aid Israel, aid America, hate the West. Well, those claims of sinister Qatari influence become a major theme in U.S. debate, the likes of Ben Shapiro, Martin Vin and Laura Luma, or Strident Defenders of Israel and the Iran War. Make the case in his Qatar, we should be worried about, not APAC, which I and Mohammed responded to these allegations in some detail. He also called them absurd and insulting. Israel accuses Asi Argus, because it's exactly what they're doing themselves. We reject the premise itself. Look, when Netanyahu came out and he attacked Qatar, he's just trying to gaslight the public. And for him, anyone, every celebrity, every journalist, every influencer, every student, who will be vocal about the war crimes, then the genocide being committed in Gaza, he will start to blame others for this instead of looking at his own behavior and his government behavior. In a moment, we'll debate this extraordinary war of wars between two world leaders and his consequences for the U.S. But we give him enough tali Bennett. Former Israeli Prime Minister wants to be the next Israeli Prime Minister, Bennett wants to designate Qatar as an enemy state, which would surely strip them of any role in brokering peace in Gaza or Iran. Mr. Bennett joins me now. Welcome back to Uncensored. You posted this week Netanyahu had an historic opportunity to declare Qatar on enemy and expose the entire world its involvement in the October 7th massacre, Netanyahu missed the opportunity. And by doing so, he's white, washing and legitimizing Qatar. Qatar has an enemy with hand-stained by the massacre of our people. Without Qatar, there is no Hamas. We will declare Qatar on enemy expel it from Israel and Gaza and defeat Hamas. Now, I had to say that in my lengthy interview, a 50 minute interview I did with the Qatari Prime Minister. He didn't shirk any questions, didn't have any restrictions on what I could ask him. He dealt with all this head-on. He was actually, it seemed to me, pleased to deal with this head-on, particularly the issue of the so-called sinister influence that Qatar is supposedly buying at university campuses of trying to corrupt the minds of young Americans and so on. And also about the specifics of how the Qatari money went into Gaza, how it was used by Hamas, and significantly, it seemed to me when he was telling me, that Israel ticked off every single payment and was in charge of working out where the payments went. So let's start first of all with why you think they should be deemed an enemy of the state. Because, you know, looking at it from the sidelines, you look at it and go, "Well, Qatar is in the middle of all this." Right? Qatar is trying to broker peace in Gaza because it has the connections with Hamas. It's trying to broker peace with the Iran War because it is obviously an ally of the United States and it's also on good terms with Iran. So this is how they position themselves as the peacemakers here, you clearly view them as something very different, why? Well, they play a very sophisticated, two-faced strategy. On the one hand, they pretend to be all Western and all very advanced and progressive. On the other hand, let's look at the facts. They hosted Al Qaeda. They hosted Taliban for years and they were the base for the Taliban recapture of Afghanistan in 2021. They funded Hamas, they hosted Hamas leaders. They were, in a sense, the architects of the building of the Hamas monster. They are the epicenter of Muslim Brotherhood Islamist and on October 7th, on October 7th, while Hamas was still killing and massacring our own people, Qatar came out with an official statement blaming Israel. So when you look at all the facts together, they are a terror state. And when you host and build Al Jazeera, which poisons the minds and hearts of hundreds of millions of Muslims to be anti-Semitic, well, that designates you as a terror state. That's why we need to designate Qatar as an enemy of Israel. I want to play what he says specifically about the issue of the funding of Gaza and to Hamas and how he explained his understanding of the arrangement which involved Israel. Let's take a listen. When it comes to the numbers and the amounts of money that been funded by Qatar to Gaza and now they claim that these funds are going for Hamas military wing, it's totally absurd. The monthly funds that we are going to Gaza were 30 million dollars every month. That's been very clearly requested by the Israelis coordinated with the United Nations and was going specifically through a mechanism that's been defined by the Israelis. It was going 50 million dollars of this buying gas from the Israelis to operate the power generation, generators, and as the other 15 million are divided between assistance, 10 million as assistance to 100,000 families, 100 dollar per family, and those families who are living under the poverty line verified by those Israeli security agencies and every month is getting approved by them. And there is 5 million that goes for the salary of the civil servants. Enres, that's also their list is verified and it goes to a bank that's been approved by the United Nations and the Israelis and the Israelis in fact they were moving the money themselves to these banks in order to get it dispersed for the people. So that's the prime minister of Qatar, squarely putting the blame here on Israel. He says all the money was approved by Israel, all families and individuals were approved by Israel, even the mechanism to which the money was paid out by banks was approved by Israel. You were prime minister of Israel in recent years, what part of what he said there, which has been independently verified by other bodies, which part of that is a lie? Well, let's unpack this. First of all, this was a colossal mistake of prime minister Netanyahu. It is true that in 2017 and 2018. That's different. Hold on, hold on. In 2017, let me give you the facts. 2017, 2018, it's correct. Netanyahu did initiate the Qatari payments to Gaza. This was under an appeasement policy, a horrendous policy of Mr. Netanyahu. And these dollars came in suitcases and cash from 2018, roughly till June of '21. When I became prime minister, I said, I stopped this mechanism because we knew that this cash was indeed going to the buildup of Hamas, and I shifted it towards a hundred dollar payment in these credit cards, prepaid credit cards, where families indeed went to the supermarket and bought with that. But that's one component of so many other things, because I'm talking way beyond that. I'm talking about funding for El Jazeera employees that worked in Hamas, and they were part of the massacre on October 7th. I'm talking about El Jazeera itself, which poisons the minds in the hearts of people. Right, but to be clear, okay, but just to be clear. There's millions of people. Right, but I've totally been to be clear, and as I misheard you, you are saying that when you became prime minister, you de-continue with the system of funneling money into Gaza, right? So this sort of narrative, which is built up, which I've heard many times from Israelis, which is this was all Katari money, dirty money, funding Hamas, they knew what was going to happen, they got blood on the hands, and so on. Here you've got successive Israeli prime ministers, including you, who actually licensed this funneling up the money. So let's be very clear. I stopped these cash suitcases, and I ensured that it went for humanitarian needs. But 2018, through 2021, roughly $1.4 billion went directly to Yaya Sinwar. And for example, the sheikh, when Yaya Sinwar, who is one of the worst despicable people on earth, when he was killed by Israel, God bless, she praised the guy. This is the mother of the prime minister. She praised them and talked about him as this sacred person. That's what we're talking about, this two-faced thing. And I doubt that you asked them about all of these elements. Well, I asked him to lay out his understanding of how it worked, and it's interesting to me that you've conceded that even when you were prime minister, you continue to allow money to flow from Qatar into Gaza. So this was clearly something everybody knew about. You're disputing how you did it. You're disputing it was in suitcases, and clearly that goes to the heart of how much of the money was going, but the reason it was in suitcases until June. I understand. Until June of '21, and then it went to humanitarian. But it's way beyond it. And I want to talk about post-October 7, because frankly in Israel, post-October 7, we gradually realized that Qatar is this terror state. All of us in Israel did not realize how despicable Qatar is until the October 7, and it's aftermath. I also conceded that. It was a wake-up call. The question is what we do now. And I believe that we have to designate Qatar as an enemy state. Because post-October 7, they kept on strength in Hamas. And in fact, they want Hamas to prosper. So if we wanted dismantle Hamas, how can you allow Qatar to be the quarter back in Gaza? If they want Hamas to prosper and we want them to be eliminated? I want to play just on the issue of the cultural influence. You claim that they have been buying, particularly over Americans. This is the exchange we had about the universities, which I think is relevant to this. Qatar was the largest foreign source of gifts and contracts to American universities in 2025, spending $1.1 billion. And as you know, there are people like Ben Shapiro and others who say things like Qatar spent $8.8 billion on US universities and new reports as they're using contracts with Georgetown and Northwestern to gain influence over curriculum, faculty hiring, and intellectual property to advance Islamist movements. Laura Luma, who has the ear of the president, posted on ex-I love Donald Trump. Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade. Qatar, funds, and Muslim Brotherhood, which funds BLM and T for an every Islamic radical immunized states, Qatar is financing terrorism and chaos in America. This is undeniable. It's a proven fact. What do you say to these right-wing influences? Some of whom do have the ear of President Trump when they're saying stuff like this. You're waging a kind of concerted attempt to warp the minds of Americans through using universities as they conduit. Well, actually, it's absurd. All these universities have campuses in Qatar. Anyone can come and ask universities at their campuses and do other professors. If the government is interfering in anything related to the academia of these universities, these kinds of false accusations about Qatar and using Qatar as a scapegoat to justify war crimes, to justify students going, you know, against the war in Gaza, is just not trying to play the blame game. Netanyahu stood up in the podium. He criticized the mayor of New York. He criticized the influencers. He criticized the student. He criticized a lot of things in the United States. Now, who's interfering and meddling with the United States politics? Is it Qatar or Israel? I mean, it's a fair question, isn't it? I mean, do you actually have any hard evidence that they've been systematically corrupting anyone? Or is it they're just doing what a lot of people, including Israel, to a degree, you know, financing places of learning, education, centers and so on, where American universities have campuses in Qatar, for example? You know, it's easy to say, well, this is obviously all evil and they're obviously corrupting everyone's minds. But can you actually prove that? Yes, we can. I can provide you a 60-page report of the FDD brain trust which analyzed the Qatar investment in colleges and campuses in order to shift opinions. And after it handed over to Qatar, they did an amazing job. Think about the strategy. It's a tiny island with 330,000 people. They have billions of dollars from oil. And they understood that in order to protect themselves and in order to create influence within the world, and influence according to the Muslim Brotherhood strategy and doctrine, they can't use missiles, so they use paychecks. And that's what they've been doing. And proof is that on October 7 itself, while we were still being massacred, this huge campaign started on all these campuses. How were they so prepared? It didn't wake up within hours to prepare this amazing campaign. This is a Qatar strategy. You can watch El Jazeera in Arabic, which is very different from El Jazeera in English. You can see their ideology. It's radical islamistic ideology. They want to take over the world with their islamistic ideology. They just do it in a very intelligent and sleigh way. I've told you about it. Always appreciate you coming on. Thank you very much. Thanks, Pierce. Well, join me on the panel to debate all this. This is Anakasperin, the host and executive producer of The Young Turks. Joe Kent, the former director of the National Counterterrorism Centre. Josh Hammer, the senior council of the Article 3 project, and author of Israel and civilisation. And Alan Dershowitz, the defence attorney, and the author of Why I Quit the Dems. And so should you. Anakasperin, welcome back to Uncensored. Indeed to all of you. We've all been on many times before. You know, I had a very interesting conversation in London with the Prime Minister of Qatar. 50 minutes, no restrictions put on questions. Didn't seem to shirk anything I put to him. Layed out in quite some detail. The response is to all the more incendiary charges that have been made against his country since October the 7th. And you've heard a lot of them repeated there by Naftali Bennett. And, you know, what's your view of Qatar and all this? Because they present themselves. Not unconvincingly, I have to say. They can present themselves as a place trying to forge peace. Not war, whether it be in Gaza or whether it be with the Iran War. I think that's pretty obvious, especially given the fact that they have attempted to serve as mediators, especially when it came to the ceasefire that never actually happened in Gaza between Hamas and the Israelis. But, you know, one of the things that I want to make absolutely clear is I don't want any foreign country funding our universities or funding certain programs at universities. Not because I dislike Qatar, but I don't like the fact that we do have foreign influence in major US institutions. And I find that incredibly problematic. So I'm not giving them a chance. But America does that. I mean, on that point, America does that to other countries' universities, right? So would you apply the same rule to America that they can't invest in any overseas universities? I could think of quite a few of my country that would find that a struggle financially if that was the case. I have a problem with it happening in my country. So it's up to the people living in foreign countries to decide for themselves whether or not they're comfortable with the US funding universities or certain programs, you know, on their soil. But I'm just giving you a sense of where I landed this issue. And I just see the foreign influence as problematic. Now, in regard to the line of questioning that you, you know, went down in that interview, I really appreciate you doing it because I do think that there's been this attempt to deflect from the obvious influence, undue influence that Israel has had over our political system by pointing fingers at other countries. And let me just note that Qatar is not an enemy. me to the United States and has done absolutely nothing wrong. In fact, I would press these rallies a little more to give us a sense of what they're complaining about. Netanyahu was pushing for funding for Hamas facilitated throughcutter three weeks before October 7th happened. And we've all learned that Netanyahu was warned about October 7th over and over again, not just by the UAE, but also by Egypt. There was also intel that the IDF had come across a year prior to the attack happening. And for whatever reason, the Israeli government didn't take those threats seriously at all. All you did base, that is a US base located in cutter. And we are, I mean, obviously that's an important base if we're going to fight Israel's war against Iran. So I find it very strange that Nafdali Bennett is pushing for us to have this weird adversarial relationship against a country that we've actually been pretty closely aligned with, especially in the Middle East. Yeah, I mean, Alan Dershwin, Qatar is a big US ally. It has the biggest US base in the Middle East, strategic partner. And that's what made, for example, the Israeli attack on Doha was one of the, I think, one of the worst things that's happened in this whole recent business, because it went to the heart of this relationship between states in the Gulf States, like Qatar, who have the American military bases. They were being targeted as they were mediating a meeting with Hamas officials. Now, he was clear to me, the prime minister of Qatar, that they at the request to the United States host the political arm of Hamas in Doha that are allowed to have offices and so on. America wanted them to do that. They see that as a useful thing that Qatar can do, as just as they see Qatar now, acting as mediator, both in the war on Gaza and also the war on Iran. And what do you feel about Neftali Bennett saying they should be classified an enemy of the state, a terror organization? Well, I've met both with the Amir of Qatar and with the prime minister of Qatar, and there's no doubt they play both ends against the middle. They do have a strong relationship with the United States. They can serve a positive role as mediator. On the other hand, we do know that they support Hamas. They did give asylum to Hamas murderers and so Israel and the United States have to view Qatar with great caution. Use them to the extent that they will help bring about peace and distance themselves from them to the extent that they are encouraging Hamas terrorism. It's a mixed picture. The world is a complicated place and Qatar is one of the most complicated places in this complicated world. What about the issue of them funding programs at universities, particularly if it's offshoots of say Georgetown in Doha, whatever it may be? I've not seen, I mean, Neftali Bennett says there's a 60 page report of evidence of how they've corrupted students and so on, but the argument put forward by the prime minister, Qatar was they're not setting out to do that. They're doing what many, many countries do. They're financing and resourcing campuses around the world as America does, right? As many countries do. As a UK does. Do you agree with Anna that maybe America should stop all funding from foreign countries for university campuses? And if so, what impact would that have? Well, I think they should. I think all countries should stop funding universities and other countries. I lectured on the campus of Northwestern University in Qatar and there was an organized effort to try to prevent me from speaking by student demonstrators. There was no doubt that this wasn't an objective academic analysis. I was invited to testify and to speak as a cover. Look, it's again, I don't take sides on this. I think that Qatar can play a positive and important role, but they can also play an extraordinarily negative role and the very fact that they play a somewhat positive role sometimes enhances the negative role that they play as well. So I think all countries should view the relationship with Qatar very cautiously. I do not think any American universities should accept funding from foreign governments and let's be very clear. Israel does not fund American universities. Qatar does and there's no doubt that Qatar has undue influence on academic programs at places like Columbia, Georgetown and other universities which accept Qatari money and allow the Qatari money to determine who's on the faculty and what the programs are. That's the danger that I think exists with accepting Qatari money for American universities. But to be clear, you don't think Israel wields any influence like that whatsoever. Oh no, Israel has very little influence. Indeed, it's quite negative. Today, when you want to win a Democratic primary, you have to come out against Israel if you try to win a Democratic primary and a perceived as a Zionist, you lose the election. So today, Israel has little or no influence on American institutions, American elections and American universities, zero, a negative, in fact. Well, there would be surely Alan, a lot of very high net worth donors of money, Jewish donors, Israeli donors to American universities. Should that stop? Well, yeah, universities, Americans donate buildings. They name buildings after them, but they don't have an influence on curriculum. Look, I told it Harvard for it's now going to be 60 years with my emeritus. I have never seen any influence that donors, Israelis, Zionists or Jewish Zionists have on anything other than naming buildings. They don't have influence on the curriculum. They don't have influence on who the professors are. Qatar does. That's really quite a difference. All right, Joe Ken, welcome back to Uncensored. What does it play you a slightly different clip? This is where I was trying to imagine what it's like being the Qatari Prime Minister, trying to mediate at the moment between the Iranians and the Americans when you've got President Trump firing off, we're going to annihilate you post every 10 minutes. So this is how I put the question to. I can't even imagine how difficult your job must be right now as mediator. In a war where you have the President of United States Donald Trump firing off very incendiary posts in public on a regular basis, often threatening the annihilation of Iran. And you've got to deal with the Iranians and Trump is waiting to do a deal with this guy. And they've also worked out that they can wage an asymmetric war by controlling the Australian full moon. Well, it's not an easy mediation, first of all, you know. To put it mildly. I mean, it's challenging. It has, it comes with its challenges. It comes with, you know, a lot of times efforts that we are doing and, you know, we have a statement here and there. And by the way, we have also, there are any Iran positions who are, you know, putting out inflammatory statements that also set suspect. But at the end of the day, we are trying to keep focusing on the positive of this. And the closed-door diplomacy is the most effective way that we see in order to get some progress. Would it be easier for you and everyone involved in trying to get to a deal here if the President called his jets on social media? Well, look to be very fair. It will be easier, much easier for us if there is no media at all about this until we get to our solution. You know, he elaborated that, Joe, by saying that, you know, social media in particular is a new problem for any diplomats, politicians involved in secret mediation, because everything gets leaked and then blasted through social media and stuff. What did you make of what he said there? I mean, would it be, I mean, look, the ongoing debate is, does what Trump puts on his social media posts? Is it helpful? Is it unhelpful? You know, this completely contrary, one minute, there's going to be a deal next minute. We're going to annihilate you, the constant contradictory rhetoric. What do you make of that, given your background? Well, obviously, the, the, the, the, the Katari Prime Minister there was being very diplomatic when he said that, you know, he didn't really want to answer the question. I think at this point, the most detrimental thing that we have done is attack Iran twice during negotiations and then continue to escalate while saying, you know, we also want negotiations. So not only are we hurting our credibility for the Iranians to get to the table with us, we're hurting the people that we're trying to use as mediators like the Qataris, we're hurting basically at home as well, the Iranians that we're trying to work with who represent the remaining moderates there. So if we actually do want to get a deal, we do have to not just cool down the rhetoric, but we have to be willing to follow up on that rhetoric with action. So so far, us attacking the Iranians twice during negotiations and then signing the MOU and then immediately getting out of the MOU, that has hurt our credibility and that is going to result in erratic or aggressive behavior from their Iranians. And we're seeing that right now. We keep thinking that the Iranians are just going to remain static, no matter what we do, no matter how many sanctions we throw at them, no matter how many attacks, no matter how much rhetoric we use. We think they'll remain static, but they continue to attack us. And right now, Iran, whether we like to admit it or not, they have a lot of escalation dominance. So this has put us in a very precarious situation in this war. Yeah, I mean, interesting, Joe, when I spoke to about the economic damage to Qatar since the start of the war, it's been really severe. There's hardly any of the liquid natural gas getting through the straight and foremost, he said. And that is obviously a major part of their revenue. You know, Iran responded to an attack from the Israelis and Americans by attacking Qatar's biggest refinery and caused enormous damage. So they, like a lot of the Gulf states, have had real economic hardship to deal with here. And again, if you're or America, this is one of your allies, this hosts thousands of your of your service men and women on its base there for you. And there they are getting, you know, attacked in a really bad and deliberate manner by Iran purely for the actions of the Americans. Yeah, and not just that. I mean, the whole reason why, you know, Qatar and the rest of the Gulf hosted these American bases for all this time was in theory, the security guarantees that we provided, the theory was that if they were attacked, we would be able to not just defend our bases, but we would be able to defend them because we got into this war without putting a lot of forethought into what would happen because we got into this war based on the Israeli's timeline, those security guarantees have been shattered. So we're pretty lucky right now that we still actually have partners in the Gulf who are willing to step in as mediators. So if we continue down this road of continued escalation, continuing the war, not only we're going to hurt ourselves, we're going to get more of our troops killed, our economy's going to suffer, but our allies in the region who at some point in time were going to need again, they're going to be less likely and less inclined to come have our backs to mediate for us, to host our bases, to host our troops, et cetera. So again, this is just yet another factor of why this war has just been so detrimental to us. And we need to recalibrate, take down the rhetoric, get our troops out of there before we lose anyone else and then get to the negotiating table in a responsible way as fast as possible with the Iranians. I don't know if we can make that happen right now with this administration. I don't know if the Iranians trust us enough to have actual negotiations. That's why I think we should use the tools, the carrots of sanctions relief and the unfreezing of assets to get the Straits of Hormuz open back up again. Yeah, Josh, I'm welcome back to you. There's a very interesting moment I felt in the interview. And I just asked the Cateri Prime Minister to his face, do you believe the new Supreme Leader, the new Ayatollah, is actually alive? Because this goes to the heart of, who is America negotiating with? There's a lot of conjecture that since the Ayatollah, the dead Ayatollah was taken out with a lot of his top people, it's been quite hard to work out who has the power and authority, who actually has the ability to negotiate properly. And the heart of that causes, is the Ayatollah's son actually alive? No, he put a statement out or a statement came out from him overnight. So they are certainly saying he's alive. I'm putting a statement. There's been no video pictures of him, no, no still pictures. So this is when I asked the Cateri Prime Minister that question. There's been no sign of the new Supreme Leader, the son of the slain Supreme Leader. Have you had any direct contact with him? Is he definitely alive? Are you actively engaged in discussion with him personally? No, actually, we didn't have any direct engagement with the new Supreme Leader. I don't think that there is any foreign government engaged with him, but whatever we are getting from our engagement with the Iranian officials, it comes also after a verification by the Supreme Leader. And this is, at least, what we've been told. I don't know. I believe what I hear as a mediator I try just to be as objective as possible and to get to the result. That was a pretty extraordinary moment of the interview I felt just because there you've got one of the key people in mediating a possible peace deal here, saying he's had zero dealings with the new Supreme Leader of Iran. What do you feel about that? What may be going on behind the scenes here? Do you think he's alive or not? What I've openly speculated, and again, it's all just speculation that's all that all of us here can do, I've said that he was probably severely injured, elasterated, perhaps he had a leg or a limb that was severed. Something severe happened in the initial decapitation strike in February 20th that took out his father. And I think that he has been hospitalized and/or potentially in a coma since then. That's my guess. I think that he has been severely injured and then that he is not functional physically or mentally intellectually is probably in a coma since then. But here's, I do want to talk about the broader issue here a bit of Qatar. Look, I think it would be easy to talk about the fact that, yes, they have had a Taliban presence for years. They've had an al-Qaeda presence for years. Yes, all the suits of Hamas are in these five star luxury hotels, the four seasons in Doha. Frankly, also ISIS. In fact, it was actually the branch of ISIS that was responsible for beheading the American journalist Stephen Saltloff in Syria in 2014. That exact branch of ISIS did their banking and financial services transactions out of an account in Doha. The longtime spiritual leader of Muslim Brotherhood was a clerk by the name of Yusuf Al-Kharadari. He lived in Doha for decades. Why is this real treaty? Don't take it. I'll talk to him. I'll talk to you. I would ask you. I would ask you a question. I would extrapolate that to let's be clear. The new head of Syria is a former al-Qaeda terrorist and he's welcomed as a guest at the Oval Office. That's wrong. Nelson Mandela was categorized as a terrorist by Margaret Thatcher. We know what happened to him when he came out of prison. Times change, the strategic importance of countries, heads and flows, the way they treat different groups, heads and flows. I'm not sure that's a particularly effective stick to being. Before I was cut off, the point that I was going to make in which I have an opportunity to be is the part. I know for once in your life, just show off and let other people in their hospitals. It's totally okay. Pears, if I can actually get a word in here. What I was going to say is you don't take it. I didn't finish the point. You know the take it from me, you know the take it from not falling to a match. We're not a particularly big fan of by the way. Now they're here nor there. You can actually take it from the other Arab countries in the region for virtually the entirety of Donald Trump's first term. There was something that probably fueling this panel and even remember known as the GCC crisis, the Gulf Cooperation Council crisis whereby Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain and maybe a couple of the other smaller states all had a full on diplomatic and economic boycott of Qatar. Qatar was severely isolated by the non-ISMIS, non-Hamas, non-Muslim brother supporting Arab states. The reason why? Because Qatar was doing and still is doing exactly what Naftali Ben-Sedidun, which is they are supporting and exporting Islamism primarily through Al-Jazeera, even more so than the universities. Al-Jazeera, it's the entire reason that the Saudis now have the competing network Al-Arabia. Al-Jazeera is the voice of the Muslim brotherhood. It was the voice of Ben-Lan and back in the day. That is literally why the Saudis, Emirais and Bahrain's blockaded and completely isolated this country for years and years and years. And to this day, Qatar has not changed their ways. One ayoda. Yes, they have all you need airbase. Yes, they do a lot, not only for the United States, but because they can then put in their chips and say, look at us. You're still reliant on us. On the question of university funding, I think it's very simple appears. They're the number one funder, more than China, more than more than your country, the UK, France, Russia, whatever. The number one funder of American higher education since 9/11. Frankly, this is not a particularly difficult topic. It's actually very simple. Ask the simple question, who bono? Who benefits? Who benefits from Qatar funding? They wouldn't do it if there's no, if there's no return. Okay, but let me ask you, then how do you feel about the $400 million plane the Qataris gave to President Trump? I oppose it. I oppose it since day one. I think it's terrible. Okay, Anna, let me play you a clip. This is where I asked the province of Qatar directly. And we think it's the first time he's responded with a clear, unequivocal statement about whether Netanyahu is a war criminal. Let's take a look. Do you think he's a war criminal, Benjamin Netanyahu? Well, of course, what's being committed in Gaza is war crimes. And however responsible for this is a war criminal. So he is? Yes. Unequivocal, Netanyahu is a war criminal because he says, and he said it elsewhere, the interview, he believes he's waged a genocide in Gaza. How significant is it that you have the prime minister of Qatar now saying that publicly? I think it's the bare minimum, and I think that that region of the world is full of leaders who, for the most part, have been incredibly cowardly in the face of a genocidal terror state like Israel. And let me be very clear right now. We are not fighting a war on behalf of Qatar. We have not fought wars in the Middle East on behalf of any country other than Israel. Just between 2025 through August of this year, the Israel Montreal lobby has already spent close to $150 million on candidates, elections, basically buying our politicians and our political system. Okay. I'm sorry. There are all sorts of military systems that American taxpayers were forced to pay into. And our researchers were forced to develop. Iron Beam is one example. And then you have the Arrow II military system. Both were totally created and funded for by the United States, and our Congress decided to vote to hand over the IP to both of those systems to the Israelis, who then sold it to some of our adversaries, including, according to the CIA, including China. Like the fact that we are allied with this country, that's so thirsty for war. I mean, we're not even done with Iran yet. And they're already war-mongering about Qatar and Turkey. When is enough, enough, Josh? Can you please explain to me? What are the Israelis? When are the Zionists done sucking the life out of this country on behalf of that tiny, irrelevant, war-thirsty country in the Middle East? Can you please explain that to me? We're going to sit here and pretend like Qatar is the problem, please. It's so sick. It is so sick. But yeah, Benjamin Netanyahu, of course, is a war criminal, and he's not the only one in Israel who happens to be one. Okay. Alan Dushowitz. There are no -- Yeah, the question I'll ask you is, no country -- Sure. You answer. My point is that John Spencer, who is the head of West Point's study of urban warfare, has correctly said that no country in the history of warfare has ever done war to protect the civilians of enemy countries. Yeah, but unfortunately -- Unfortunately. Unfortunately. I have to say, I have to jump in there because he came on this show, and he came up very short, unfortunately, because when I began to press him on specific numbers that he could use -- Well, I'll give you a specific number. Of course. But he had no idea. I'll give you a specific number. I didn't even say how many civilians had died. All he knew was the ratio of combat to civilian was the greatest ever. I said, well, how do you know that if you don't know the number? Well, you do know the number, because Hamas gives the number. Even if you take the Hamas false numbers, the ratio is approximately two and a half to one, which compares to a seven-to-one ratio for NATO and other Western countries, there's been no country in the history of urban warfare who has had a lower ratio of civilian to combat and deaths. And that's just a fact. And the idea that you call Israel a genocidal country when it has fed its enemies, inoculated its enemies and protected its enemies, given hospital care for its enemies. When you saw the Google Earth images, and the state of Gaza now, with 75% to 80% of the entire Gaza Strip, just raised, gone, vaporized, whatever you want to call that, that is a systematic destruction of Gaza. Well, it's just, I would, the destruction is a result of the fact that Gaza, that Hamas has used civilian houses and civilian tunnels in order to protect its terrorists. You wouldn't argue about the destruction. The destruction is the fault of Hamas. Right. Israel's mistake, it should never have declared war. Israel's mistake. Is it Hamas has found the West Bank as well? But let me ask you, Alan, do you feel, when you see, when you see how it fit, it is. Alan. Oh, yes. You guys are so delusional. Absolutely delusional. It's destroying 80% of the Gaza Strip, a proportionate response to October the 7th. That's the question. Absolutely. And in fact, Israel's mistake is it should have declared war on Gaza, the way the United States declared war on Germany. It didn't declare war on the Nazi Party. It declared war on Germany. Hamas is control of Gaza and many of the people who are in Hamas are controlling the people of Gaza. And so Israel is fighting a war against a nation. The nation of Gaza that elected Hamas to be its leaders. And yes, Israel is destroying the capacity of Hamas to repeat October 7th, which had as promised it would repeat over and over and over again. And it has succeeded. Look, Jewish blood is no longer cheap the way it was during the Holocaust, the way it has been for many years. No, they're talking about this. Israel is fighting back against its enemies and its enemies are Hamas and its enemies of the people of Gaza. But what Israel is doing? And now there are houses to be used for terrorists, tunnels, yes. Yeah, that part is clearly that's part of the problem. I agree. But let me come to Joe Ken. You know, the problem with all this is Israel and pro-Israelis come on my show. They all say this. They all say we have to do this is going great. This is what we had to do. We're going to stop it. A, I don't think it's going to stop anything. I think when you have this kind of wholesale slaughter, we're seeing in Gaza, in southern Lebanon, in wherever, you're going to make more enemies than you take out. And I think I read a report from the CIA, actually, a couple of months ago, they thought for every one Hamas terrorist you've been killed, there may be five more come through with the same ideologies. I don't really buy into the argument that as well as you can say the same thing about Nazi Germany. You could say the same thing about Nazi Germany. You know, we defeated Nazi Germany and they didn't repeat their atrocities. We did. And then the same thing in Japan and Israel was doing the same thing. I was about to say history will determine whether the same thing will happen here. I'm not convinced it will, but history will determine that. I don't know, obviously. What's the alternative? What's the point I'm going to make to Joe? Just to let them do it. What I've made to Joe Ken is that notwithstanding this sort of impassioned defense of this, from probably Israeli guests, I guess. The reality is the longer this has gone on, the more that the Israelis abombed Gaza, southern Lebanon, Iran, the more Syria, the more Syria, the more this has gone on, the more unpopular Israel has become around the world, in particular, in America. And the stronger it's become. Well, I'm not sure. The stronger it's become. I'm not sure. Israel has changed. And then Joe responds. And then Joe responds like a aspirin. Let Joe respond, please. Asperian. Let Joe respond. Get a right old man. This is actually, this is a question for Joe. So Joe, so there's the dilemma, isn't it, for Israel and Israelis, the bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb. And maybe people think they're justified in a lot of the bombing. But it is making Israel increasingly a global pariah. When you respond to a terrorist attack like October 6th with a campaign basically of genocide and eradication, you are going to get more terrorism that blows back on you. That's going to happen to the Israelis. And because we're paying for this lock-stocking barrel, it will blow back on us. The majority of domestic terrorist attacks last year in 2025 that happened here in America, the perpetrators of those attacks, whether they were secular or whether they were Muslim, they cited the atrocities in Gaza for the reason that they conducted the attack here in America. The vast majority of terrorism, we have experienced here in the homeland, there has been some reference to our support for the state of Israel and the way the state of Israel conducts themselves. Now I took a lot of issue, Alan, what you said, hang on, hang on with what you said about Israel conducting themselves in a very, you know, civilized and methodical way inside Gaza. I fought in Fallujah, I fought in Ramadi, I fought in the Jof, I spent the vast majority of my young life doing counterterrorism operations in urban environments. The U.S. And for us to continue to fund the Israeli defense force, while they commit genocide, while they kill and target civilians, yes, doing counterterrorism operations in their environment, there will be some, there will be some civilian casualties. This casual toss in the military is absolutely disgusting and feels like I had this whole back in the floor for that stupid guess, oh, when everything was on the show, for us to come to you to support the state of Israel, we will have more terrorism that will blow back on us. You guys have no idea what you're talking about because you've never actually served one of the best men that the government ought to go fight terrorism in these war four is just taking what you're going to go saying as the military, you're going to go settle up. You can go on roll. We're not. First of all, you have no idea what I've been saying about the Iran War. I think it's been, it's been, they've been very, very mishandled essentially since the first ceasefire in April. So you have no idea what I'm talking about. But I just think I think it's fascinating that the director of counterterrorism is just taking a point blank term, the subjective motivations that are stated by terrorists on this soil. I mean, I mean, in what other ways is the former American director of counterterrorism? Are the terrorists on this soil, is he just going through, Anna, your buddy here with the world? Please don't all talk about, Josh, Josh, to be clear, to be hang on, Josh to be clear, Joe Kent, very patiently spelled out his service record, fighting for United States. Which is great. [BLANK_AUDIO] In urban areas, like for Lujan, others, and he said he's never seen American forces behaving the way that Israeli forces have done in Gaza. What the numbers? I would say that ought to give numbers. That ought to give two people on the panel to his right on this screen, pause for thought, surely, that their pronouncements about just how humane the IDF has been in Gaza may not be the reality. If you've got a mounted his it's the reality. It is the reality. He says he is numbers. There's a lot of people are not he knows that he's a genocide. He's focused on one war like that. This isn't even a close case. This isn't even a close case for genocide. Anyone who uses the term genocide. He's an anti-Semite, a liar, a biggest and defies reality. And won't let it or not slow down right there. That's why everything is so right. That's why they're keeping it down all of that. Alan, Alan, you talk about, Alan, you talk about lies. We know over 220 odd journalists have been killed in Gaza, of which it is supposedly there are up to 50 who may have had us. Let me finish my sentence please. Up to about 50 have been reported to have had leaks. The dots too. However tenuous with a mass. That leaves nearly 200 other journalists who didn't. So this idea that all the journalists in Gaza are mass operatives is a lie, a stinking lie. Well, but they're working on us. And the best way. Well, Alan, if I may, the best way to establish the truth about what war crimes have been committed or otherwise in Gaza, as I've repeatedly said on this show for several years now, is lift the ban on international journalists that Netanyahu has maintained. I agree with that. I agree with that. I agree with that. Then we can work out the journalist and be allowed in. I agree. But the longer they won't do it, the more I think they're hiding something. The what they're hiding is the fact that many of the journalists work with Hamas and our Hamas members. And it's very hard to distinguish the Hamas members from the honest journalists. So they overreact. But I think they ought to allow all international journalists to go in and explore this. I'm not afraid of the truth. Israel has done a very good job in light of all the factors that they have to face. And in the end, history will prove that this war, this war, this attack on Iran is one of the most important preventions of a nuclear holocaust, much like what would have happened if the British and the French had invaded Germany in 1935 and prevented them from becoming the country that produced the holocaust. I got to say this war will go down in history as a positive step in preventing a nuclear holocaust. And I think history will look at it very positively. I think I've got to say we've got to wrap up. I've got to say I think history is going to record that this war was one of the biggest disasters. Here's another question for you. There's ever been wage. And I think it will cost Netanyahu his job. I think it will cost Trump, the House and the Senate in a way. It might be wrong. It might be wrong. It might be wrong. It would have cost you saying, Alan. It would have cost you. History will judge. History will judge. I'm just saying I think it's been a fiasco. I think all the things Netanyahu told Trump would happen have not happened other than the first one of taking out the itola. I think it's quite clear. The Iranians have worked the Iranians. They set back the new reactor. They're talking about the nuclear program. Talking to the. Yeah, but we were told last year we take him back there, nuclear program decades. Remember, the President of the United States, after the 12th day war, we put back their program decades. Turned out, we hadn't put it back eight months. But if it's. Once you believe all this. If it's put back two years or three years, that's a very positive development. Yeah. If the Holocaust had been put back five years, 50 million lives would have been saved of innocent people who were killed by the Germans when their war could have been prevented. Winston Churchill would have been attacked if he had a gauge in a preventive war against Nazi Germany 1935. And it would have been the best thing that could have happened. And I think this war will go down to history as a preventive war that stopped a nuclear Holocaust. I think it will go down as a cataclysmic disaster that Americans have never got involved in. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. History will change. History is a. History is an honest broker. We'll see how it plays out. Thank you to my panel. Very spiritual debate. Thank you very much. Peace Morgan & Sensor is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. We enjoy our show. We're also only one simple thing. It's subscribe on YouTube and follow Peace Morgan & Sensor on Spotify and Apple Podcast. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you. [BLANK_AUDIO]