“You DON’T Speak For Me!” Piers Morgan vs Andre Williams On Racism, Reparations & US-Israel

You published a video entitled "Why Slavery Was Good For Black People." Well, you know, why I said that because it's true. When I rather be in Africa or the United States of America, the most powerful country in the world, I think slavery was good for us because it gave us this sense of resilience. It strengthened us. Scholars have demonstrated the impact of slavery on modern day black people. It's not like we're saying, hey, reaching your pocket and giving a black guy a dollar, what we're saying is as a nation, a harm has been done and a repair has to be done. See, I don't know why you talking like you gangster something on here, brother. You grow a little afro, got your mustache, and you live in Chicago and you think you're tough. If Pears Morgan branded him and Mark Lamont Hill are all in agreement, that says more about you than it does us. It does. Because they haven't agreed on shit in human life. The backlash against woke culture was so furious and complete. The one world famous person on TV was moved to write a best-selling book about it. And as I wrote last year, a big catalyst for the backlash was a growing awareness about racial identity politics. Many decent people who were rightly furious about George Floyd's murder very quickly ended up on the wrong side of the argument. As it morphed into defunding the police, job quotas called virtue-siggling, white guilt, white shame and reparations. In this case, and many more, the collective response to being told you can't say that wasn't impulse to say exactly that and worse. The problem with swinging pendulums is, of course, that they swing just as far in both directions. And after the common sense glow of the original backlash, a minor industry of new edge lords has sprung up to push the boundaries to a breaking point. Andre Williams may be doing just that. He's recently enjoyed a spade of appearances on conservative podcasts using many viral clips, in which he defends opinions, including the slavery was good for black people. Does he mean it? Is he the living embodiment of a pendulum, which has swung too far? Or is he just a shame most grifter? Well, to my guess for this debate, our firmly immolate camp, even though his regular view is no, they're from polar opposite sides of the political spectrum. They agreed to debate Andre Williams to see if there's any substance behind his shock factor. You can make up your own minds. By the end, I decided the answer to that question is an incontrovertible no. Viewers of a sensitive disposition should consider themselves warned there was a lot of explicit language in Mr. Bay, including the N word. What joining us now is the aforementioned Andre Williams? Controversial commentator and influencer, Martin Monthill, academic and host of bet news, and Brandon Tatum, aka the officer Tatum. Now, I'm going to start for viewers who have no idea who you are, Andre. I'm going to start with some of the things you've posted in the last few weeks. And I will say at the start of this, if these were actually coming from my mouth, I would now be canceling myself in real time. Because any white man that said these things would never work again. So just to be clear, these are the words of you, Andre Williams. You said black Americans are lazy and entitled. It pisses me off that immigrants come to this country will work harder than black people. Then you said I hate black people. Our entire culture is so backward and violent. Growing up black is no different than growing up being raised by animals. Masculine black women raised black men to be submissive and supportive of black women's bullshit. No other community operates in this way. Black people's only achievement is being good at sports. That's absolutely fucking pathetic. Black people hate me for telling the truth, but won't put that same energy into hating the people who commit crimes and sell drugs in our community. Now, A, I don't agree with any of the things you've said there. B, like I said, if I was me saying that, I'd be gone, torched, driven out, finished as a broadcaster. But C, a lot of it is so obviously nonsense. Like black people's only achievement is being good at sports. You know, I put to you that President Barack Obama is black and was the leader of the free world for eight years. He wasn't a sportsman, although he's quite handy with the hoops. In other words, I think you said all of these things to antagonize, to rile, for clicks, and so on, but you must know even as you're saying it, that it's bullshit. You know, not at all peers. And I appreciate you reading those off. No, I believe in everything that I said. I grew up in a household that taught this. I'm not just somebody who's just saying, it's just because of the clicks of the internet. I really don't care about that. Anyone who's ever worked with me served with me, been around me and knows that I believe in these things. When we look at black people today, the current culture is very toxic and destructive to black people. And there's a difference between niggas and black people. I'm saying these things to piss off the niggas in our community that offer absolutely nothing for black people who are hard working, who are honest, and want something better for themselves. So when we talk about the achievements of black people, black people only participate in sensation rather than reflection. Thomas Jefferson said this. And I think at the time he was, of course, speculating, but we see it today that black people, our politics, is really based around sports and entertainment. Yes, Barack Obama, a fantastic individual, a shining example of black excellence. He was a leader of the free world. But you know, many black people say that he's not black. He's mixed race. Still argue this all day and say that he's not actually black. He's not fully black. Because the level of tribalism that we have within the community. This is a level of hatred that we have among our own selves. And this is a big problem. So calling this out is necessary. You can't do it because you're a white man. Well, it's good to have a 25-month-to-26-year-old black man saying it. It's important for us to have these kind of conversations. Well, you first went viral with a video where you said there were four types of black people. In it, you argued, only 20% of the community are blacks with good moral character, i.e. they work hard and look after their families. So what does that make the other 80% in your eyes? You've got blacks. You've got house Negroes, which I would say that both random Tatum and Mark represent that class of black people. You've got Niggas. And then you've got Niggas. You have to be honest with this. Niggas are very violent. They're the most violent people within the community. Niggas are entitled and lazy. They rather sit back and complain of slavery and Jim Crow and all these things rather than building up and doing something for ourselves as a people. And then house Negroes will sit back and use the emotions of black people, the pain of black people, to profit. We see this with being cropped right now within no one else's case. We've seen this with Trevor Martin, George Floyd. And even going back to the 1960s with Rosa Parks, they'll use these instances to drum up this emotion with black people to get them to either come out and vote or to continue to buy and re-elect the same people they do nothing for them. Look at what's happening in Chicago with Mayor Brandon Johnson. He's doing a terrible job there. And black people will continue to support people like this because they're black. So I don't think I've said anything wrong. I think it's all substantiated and how we see the culture today. All right, Martin Monhill, your response. So many things were said, I'll respond to a few of them. I'd like to start by just saying that this conversation should be civil in respect for it. I don't think we need to name call or lump each other into offensive piles. I think we can be decent to one another. I think that the important thing to do when we make assessments, particularly when we talk in percentages about our community, is to actually have evidence or data or statistics. So when we say only 20% of black people are doing this, or 80% of black people feel like that, I always would love to hear or see evidence, data, statistics, some sort of expert opinion, informed opinion placed into the conversation so that we're not just hurling random provocative statements. Pierce, I think you're right that if you were to say some of these things, you would be, I don't want to use the word cancel, because I think that just becomes a strategy. To be clear, when I read these comments, I just imagined myself saying them, obviously to be obvious, I don't agree with any of them, but if I said them on air, I wouldn't work again on air, period. I mean, that is, I think an indisputable fact about this. Now, I have to. What do you think about small periods? That's one of the. That's one of the true. Let me just allow me to finish as I did you. And so I think that one of the problems in this society is that we can become so focused on who's doing the talking or the identity of the person doing an action that we lose sight of the truth value or the impact of the thing itself. In other words, I don't like it no matter who says it. I don't think a white person should have a license to say that, but I don't think a black person should have a license to say things that are untrue or improbable. We can have debates about what's true and what's not, but I don't think anyone's whiteness or blackness should give them license. Did you agree with any of the codes that are spread out? Did you agree with anything? No, he said. Absolutely not. And what I also saw was a goal post moving, right? It starts with black people are lazy, and then the goal post moves. So while there are some black people in our community who are lazy, of course there are. There are lazy black people, lazy white people, lazy people of all races, but making a broad, a broad broad statement about the black community is different than saying that there are people inside of the community who are. And then when you point out the fact that black people have accomplished, or when he says black people have accomplished nothing except sports, there's tons of evidence to the contrary in all fields of human endeavor. But when you say, "Oh, here's Barack Obama," he says, "Yeah, but there are black people who don't accept him as black. There is not a poll, there is not a survey, there is not general understanding, there's not even 16, if you can, anecdotal evidence to suggest that black people don't see Barack Obama as black. Are there some people who will have that conversation, of course, as somebody who will say the moon is made of blue cheese? But at the core, black people clearly receive him as black. that kind of statement becomes a diversion when you don't have actual data and evidence. And I think the most disappointing thing finally is that these narratives are being advanced by a black person because there are white people in the world and of other races as well, who think negative things about black people and who can't say them safely, and so they can find a black person who feels that way or who will say those things because they won't be canceled in the same way. And whether it's turning, the leaves are browning, the rain is certainly pouring and as summer begins to savvy fade, in the rear view mirror, it's time to look for a silver lining in the changing of the seasons. My personal nomination is the cosy earth bubble cuddle blanket and the bamboo bedsheet set. The moment you pull on this blanket, you will be overcome by its weighty softness. It may in fact cause a battle of a custody in your home. As to those legendary bamboo sheets, there are a game changer for anyone who sleeps hot or alongside somebody else who does. 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He said this about you recently. - Brandon Tatum, I don't know if you're from over, Brandon Tatum, not a big fan of him at all. - Really? - No, tell me why. - The reason being is that he's a country boy and doesn't run with being a country boy. Don't get me wrong, I've met a lot of great country boys. But can he, is he relatable to me? Can I relate to this guy? I really can't. I can't relate to him. We vote the same. We have the same political opinions when it comes to maybe voting. But what I want, the end goal, the end result, is completely different. He's in it for the money. He's in it for the clicks, the attention. I don't think there's anything good coming from him. And then also, I would say he's very pro-establishment, pro-Republican party, which is here. - You ever met him? Have you spoken to him? - I've never met him. I would love to meet him. - I would love to debate him as well. - I think it'd be a good conversation. - Well, he's got his wish, officer Tatum. What do you want to say to him? - Well, I don't have much to say to him, man. He hasn't accomplished enough to even speak about me to be quite honest. You know, I do agree with some of the things that he say, but I do think it's hyperbolic, you know? And he talks about me as if I'm doing it for attention, which I'm not. I've been doing this a very long time. You can make a point that there's violence in a black community without acting as if every black person is this way or the majority of black person people are that way. And to be honest as well, I mean, if we vote very similar, what's your beef with me? You don't know me, you never met me. You don't have any proof that somehow I'm doing this for money. It's just a lame excuse. And in part, it makes me feel as if you wish you were like me. And that's the problem with your rhetoric. >> I agree. >> Okay, if that's what you want to sit back and say, of course, Mark is going to explain why you say I'm a house Negro. You're explaining why you say I'm doing this for the money. Where's your evidence? >> I would say this, here's this, I would say this, especially with the pro-Israel rhetoric. That is a key giveaway of the pro-establishment narrative that's coming from you. >> That's not a pro-establishment there. I'm a Christian. >> You know, he's probably is. >> You're a Christian? Well, guess what? Israel is not a Christian nation, all right? What are we talking about? Jews have never been really as Christian. >> Jesus Christ was a Jew. >> All of the monuments that we worship in and all the things that are found, they use it to our faith is in Israel. What are you saying? >> They behave. They call out the Jews for their behavior and their userate. And condemn them for it. And guess what the Jews had? Jesus killed. This is a fact. >> Oh, yeah. And also the Jews were his apostles as well. And the Jews. >> Where's the gospel of Christ is right in the world. >> He's ignorant. The point is that he's ignorant. And then you got nothing to do with offense. You're ignorant, brother. >> You're saying that the Jews killed Jesus. The Romans killed Jesus. What the Jews were also his apostles who spread the gospel of Jesus Christ around the world. >> They have been supplied information to the Romans to have Jesus killed. >> Were the apostles not Jews? >> He didn't like it. >> It was not the warrior. Oh, no. Jesus was killed because he was not going to be a warrior to fight for the Jews. They found it to be a hippie. They got killed for his troubles. They found it to be a weak man. That's what they call him. >> Where? >> It's burning an escrow. >> Where is this information? >> You're talking Jewish literature. And any human rabbi will tell you this. This is something that black conservatives constantly do. That they would move away from the conversation on Israel. You're somebody who says that there's no genocide going on in Gaza. I mean, that's kind of, you know, that's false right there. Mark wants to sit back and say, well, you know, what you're saying is anti-Semitic. See, every time someone says the truth about the people, we get these titles of your racist, your anti-Semitic. You know, when we can sit back, I can sit here and criticize black people for the behavior of the problems that we have. And I make a clear distinction. I think this is something that many of you are not really looking at. I made a clear distinction between black people, niggas, and niggas. I think that's something that we can all examine. I think that when we look at successful black people in our community, the successful hardworking black people in the middle class or upper middle class, they're doing very well. But when we look at the crime, we look at the entitleness, we look at the constant begging. >> Well, but you're in the middle class. >> Hold on, hold on, hold on. We look at the constant voting with the Democratic Party. Hold on, when we look at the constant voting with the Democratic Party, black people are not voting independently. We're voting just because the party is good for us. So this party sounds good for us. And then someone like he would say, well, you know, we should vote Republican. Why am I going to vote for two pieces of shit? I'm going to vote for the same piece of real estate twice. Why am I going to vote for Republicans that really offered nothing but being pro-Israel? >> I think we heard your-- >> I think we heard your nonsense. >> I think we heard your nonsense. >> I mean, we're finished because you said something. >> Do you miss somebody else's talk? >> It's like Andre. >> Andre. >> Andre, I don't have-- >> I don't have a couple of big things. >> So there's a couple of big things. >> It's just only you out of criticism. >> You can't tell you don't-- >> No, you make no point. You say, well, we shouldn't vote for Republicans and Democrats. >> Make some very important points. >> We should vote for Republicans then. Then who should we vote for? >> No, we shouldn't vote. >> We shouldn't vote. >> Black people died in this country to have the opportunity to vote. We shouldn't vote for nobody. We shouldn't vote for Republicans because you don't like that Trump supports Israel. >> Now, I don't like that Trump is banning everything, especially on which hurts black people. That's something that he would ban them completely. >> Who? >> And now we're seeing the effects of that. And this is why they're going to get treated in the midterms. I said that Trump is a ban on-- >> So I want to-- >> Everything-- >> Let me bring Mom back in, Mom. >> Yeah, I just want to reiterate a point that I said sort of as Andre was talking. And again, this idea of attacking-- or I won't use the word attacking, although it wasn't attacked. This idea of applying blanket statements to Jews around the world, to Jewish people, to Jews as a nation, as a people, as a religion. However you identify Jews, to say Jews are this, or Jews are that, is deeply anti-semitic. To accuse Jews of killing Jesus is deeply and profoundly anti-semitic. >> I agree, I agree. I would say-- >> No, behind the wheel. >> We just need to say that. >> I agree. >> All right, hang on to it. If I punish Trump, I speak. I would agree, and I would say that it's my particular problem with all the quotes I read out. Where he just generalizes about all black people. Right? The moment you're generalizing like that. To me, you just immediately lose your argument. The moment you started going on about the Jews. I thought, well, here we go. We've got another one of these casual anti-semitics. You just think that's perfectly normal to just go after an entire group of people. Because of the Jews going after it. And the same way that you go after all black people in these statements. It's preposterous. >> It's preposterous. >> I'm going after all black people. >> You literally do. I don't time it again. You don't say-- >> Black people are lazy. >> No, I don't. >> You said black people are lazy. What's interesting is-- >> What do you make? >> What do you make? >> You make multiple categories. >> No, I'm not. >> And-- >> The category isn't the kind of thing between black people. >> Allow me to speak. >> Please. >> Okay, I heard you. I heard you completely. But it was my turn to speak. So I'm going to ask that you not talk as I talk. Okay? As I was saying, you made multiple categories. Black people was the good category. You said that you got all these kinds of people. Black people were the good people. But in your quotes, you literally said black people are lazy. That is my point. Even your labeling of black people as good as contradicted by your overreaching, overarching statements about black people as negative in other contexts. >> No, it's not. >> Which is without nuance. >> That's a key thing. >> You make research. It shows your level of intelligence right there. I mean, I would say you're very educated and very successful black man. You're the black people that I'm really trying to speak for. But right here, you're really showing your intelligence here. >> You don't speak for black people. >> I do speak for black people. And here's the big difference between myself and the two of you. I live in the community. I talk to black people. >> You just said I'm the kind of black person you speak for. I'm telling you that you don't speak for me. >> You don't speak for me. >> It's not me. >> You don't speak about all you want. >> But as somebody that lives in Detroit, someone's around black people. >> I don't have a lot of black people. >> Pears, this is an example of what I mean. He's been talking over the entire time. I interrupted once to clarify a point that he made. And he says I'm chimping out again. This kind of racist rhetoric isn't for black people. Black people use expressions like that. >> Let me ask you something. >> For black people. >> Let me ask you mark. >> Andre Williams has got a following. You know, it appears he's popular with a section of the black community in America. How do you explain that? Why? >> I've never seen any evidence that he's popular. with the black community in America. I can't, if you say it's true, I'd ask for evidence of it. I had no idea who he was until about an hour ago. So I can't say that that's the case. And I know who Brandon Tatum is. He and I don't agree on anything. This is probably the first time we've agreed on a point properly in life. But I know who he is, he knows who I am. Because we do represent portions of the black community, portions of our respective political communities. Andre Williams, to me, is someone who I'm unfamiliar with. I'm not, that's not a diss, that's not an attack. I just don't know, so I can't argue a question, answer a question that's premised on him being well-regarded among black people. I think he's destined for anonymity among black people. - Let me add this, I think that, you know, Andre is trying to be the black version of Nick Fuentes, that comes out, say, some hyperbolic, superfluous stuff to get attention. There are people that do follow Andre because some of the things that he say is accurate, he's just doing it at a crazy level and say some hyperbolic things. You know, do black people need to work on things in the community? Yes. And this young man don't know nothing about me or Mark. I grew up in the black community. Just because you live there now, you claim, doesn't mean nothing. I grew up in the hood. I know what I'm talking about. Of course, I've been very successful. - I'm not living in poverty anymore. That's the reason why I don't live in a black neighborhood. And I happen to live in Arizona, where there's 5% black people out here. So none of that, I live in a black community means anything. You need to be an intelligent young man. You're immature. You're a 20 year old, immature man. I bet you a million dollars you also think that you shouldn't get married in. And all this crazy stuff, the immature young man like you. - Well, there were several things that he's also said. I mean, I'll come back to you, Andre Williams. You said, you published a video entitled, Why Slavery was Good for Black People. And you went as far as saying black people who hate America need to be deported to Africa. So this concept of why slavery was good for black people. I mean, you can laugh, but to a lot of black people, they'd find that deeply offensive. All the black people I know have found that deeply offensive. Why just, why do that? Why publish a video as a black man? You're clearly not unintelligent. You're eloquent, you're a good talker. I don't agree with what you're saying. And I find it offensive, but that doesn't really matter. I'm not a black American. But if I'm a black American, I've got a guy like you out there with a following, with a microphone, saying things like why slavery was good for black people. I would feel incredibly angry about that. Why do it? Well, you know, why I said that because it's true. I mean, when I rather be in Africa or the United States of America, the most powerful country in the world, I think slavery was good for us because it gave us this sense of resilience. It strengthened us. Just like many great atrocities, a great conflict throughout human history, it's empowered people to do more and go beyond that. Now today, we sit back and cry about it. Oh, slavery was so bad, slavery was horrible. I guess what, we could be living somewhere else. We could not be in this country and achieve the great things that we achieve now. So, you don't think, according to you, black people don't achieve anything else on the sports. Let's bring Mark Lamont Hill back in. This concept, as he's just tried to explain it, I mean, seems preposterous to me. How was it preposterous? Of course it is. How was it, but what? Not at all. The question was for me, Andre. Andre, you're. I know the question is primate, but you were talking about that. It's at my point. Allow me to finish, please. No. And after I finish, you can finish. That's what civilized people do. Thank you. I think any horrific incident in human history, I don't care if it's Cambodia, Germany, the United States, wherever, when awful human atrocities happen, I think that our focus should be on the suffering and our suffering should be on repair, reparation of the thing that happens. That's really good. To minimize that thing, to minimize that thing, to minimize that thing by saying that it was a good event is disgusting. People were raped. People were killed. People were hanged. People had limbs cut off. Somebody put up on the scene. Awful things happen. Awful things happen. You seem to have a problem not interrupting. You talk about other people's impulsive behaviors. You're always criticizing and pathologizing like people's impulsivity and you're the only one here. And you're the only person here who can't stop talking. Just relax. Young man, please. The reason for that. Young man, please. Relax. Allow me to finish my statement and allow me to, because I won't stay if he continues to do this. No, I agree. You should know, Andre, you've got to respect the rights of other powers to run away. Andre, don't interrupt him, let him speak. It seems like a three-on-one. I'm talking to him, he's really simple. If Pears Morgan, Brandon Tatum and Mark Lamont Hill are all in agreement, that says more about you than it does us. It does. Because we haven't agreed on shit in human arms. I mean, the one thing I would say-- So please understand it. That's not because of us. We are into one precedent in territory. The one thing I would say about this, the reparations part of what you said is interesting. And this is where I might find myself agreeing with Andre Williams. I know his fiercely opposed this, because we've just-- I had this concept that people today should be paying billions and billions of dollars as reparations for the slavery era, I think, is ridiculous. Because if you take that argument, you could go back to, you know, the Roman hordes invading, the Viking hordes invading. I could claim to be a victim of the Vikings in England, you know, whatever. I just think it's absurd. You can acknowledge that it was wrong. You can express deep regret for it. But the idea of paying financial compensation to people today, the stuff that happened 200 years ago, is, I think, ridiculous. Well, so let me-- I'm going to answer that, hopefully uninterrupted. First, again, when I was somewhat repair in reparations, I wasn't necessarily just talking about slavery reparations. I was speaking more in the general sense of fixing a harm that was done, although I do support reparations for descendants of American slavery here in the United States. And I'll answer that question directly. But I was talking about that, the idea that if we accept as you do peers, that this was an awful thing, to say it was a good thing, is disturbing, and it is disgusting, and it ignores the harm that happened to all the people. Now, with regard to reparations, this idea of saying, oh, it's just like a five-- if I said I'm a victim of the Romans, those are apples and oranges, and here's why. One, we're not that far-- my great-grandparents were enslaved in the United States. My great-grandparents. So we're not talking about thousands of years ago. We're not talking about some nebulous or unclear connection. The US economy was built on the labor, the extracted and exploited labor of US people, the cotton economy and the South helped build American capitalism, all the institutions on top of the universities, and some of the railroad companies, the insurance companies. The American empire was built on that, and we continue as black people to pay a cost, a sociological cost, an economic cost, an emotional cost, a psychological cost, for the harm that was done by slavery. And it is calculable. Again, this is not abstract. Scholars have done the work. And the white people who are being asked to take this seriously, it's not like we're saying, hey, reaching your pocket and give a black guy a dollar. What we're saying is, as a nation, a harm has been done, and a repair has to be done. It's like it was done to Japanese who were interned. Just like it was done to people who were harmed. >> Okay, well let me, all right, let me give Andrea a chance to respond to that. >> It's ridiculous. This is a person talking about scholars, but he believes, you know, trans men are a thing, and that's a good thing, okay. The reason for why I'm pushing back so much, because this is the class of black people that I would say the House Negroes are from the community, that black people like myself are directly harmed by. They do the bidding of the establishment. They bring these establishment talking points about, oh well, you know, we need to get reparations, which would be disastrous for black people. We know economically we'll destroy this country, and we'll bring even more racial hatred towards black people than anything. And then we have the conservatives that want to just bootleg for the Republican Party, which Republican Party will do absolutely nothing for black people, has done nothing for black people. And this is why black conservatism is so dead and unrelatable. As going back to what I said, you know, when I left the army, I came back home to my community and spoke with so many black people that hear these issues. They see the crime here in Detroit, places like Chicago, Baltimore, and so on. And they're tired of it. And it's good to see someone from this generation to see black Gen Z that are frustrated with the failures of the black millennials and even black genexors that have done nothing but pushed drugs into the community, pushed music that's destructive to the identity of black women and black men. And so when I'm calling out these problems of black people, we have to understand that black culture and nigha culture, nigha culture is black culture, that the identity of nigha's has taken over the identity of what it means to be a black person, a black man. The black people who are hard working are not the majority. They are the exception, not the rule. I would say the three of us are the exceptions, not the rule. My goal is to make sure that black people who have a voice and call out these issues have a voice and can speak on these things openly. So to sit back and hear this, you know, reparations is good for black people. Like I said, that's that kind of money going to black people won't go anywhere. And you have a culture that does not allow people to actually invest, doesn't tell people to actually build up something, hold on to things, maintain things. We see this in the pre-army black cities. That our politicians are corrupt. Our businesses are failing. 81% of black businesses fail. We look at the household, the structure of the household, 70% of black children are born out into single-parent households. It's disastrous. We're going to give money to whom or what? And what will they do with it? Nothing. So, I mean, it's. sad that my point is always proven every time I show up among black people, but you know, you could sit back and be mad at what I'm saying, but you can't say what I'm saying is not true. Okay. I was going to tell you some of your response to that. Well, you know, if this young man was mature and lived, I think, a reasonable life. Maybe if he knew God, he would have a more nuanced response to this. It is clear that black people deserved reparations when slavery was abolished, when it was over. Black people were done dirty. It was already clear. 40 acres in a mirror was something that they deserved. It was taken from them. So when we get to today, we're past that point. We cannot functionally give black people reparations because it's impossible almost to find the lineage of people who were directly descendants of slaves. Even today, they claimed that black people can't have an ID to vote. How in the world are we going to find out who was actually a descendant of slavery? And then you talk about mixed race couples and all this other stuff. We're kind of beyond that point. So I think that it's fair to establish that black people deserved it. They did not get what they deserved. It was unfair. And then now we have to move on and find better ways to succeed economically in the system that we currently live in. When you talk about slavery, you know, the, the, the, the, the, Andre says that it was good for black people. Well, you can say that God delivered black people through a terrible time in history. God was able to turn a, a, a mess into a success. And I think black people have done very well in America since slavery and comparison to how black people are functioning around the world. There's a way to express it without trying to be viral and, and, and salish the video stuff. Video, video, I don't think you watched the video. I literally said that. Well, nobody wants to videos. Do they? Nobody know who you are. Quit acting like you somebody. You need to, you need to put some skin in the game before you start running around acting like you deserve class, put some skin in the game, put some skin in the game. I've held people on your service, but put some skin in the game when it comes to this political stuff. Before you just run your mouth about the box, the year and a half and I've gained a very sizable following. Brennan, I think, you know, it's something I keep saying from all of you following means nothing. Are you making an impact? Is the difference? Say this. You do not make an impact. You are my message, you are the right wing hanging off of a cliff. You are not making an impact, which you're doing, and people's ears, the right people are sick. People are telling me how we are. Listen. Listen to what I'm saying, you can't even, you can't even listen. No, I'm listening to what you're saying. That's why I'm so fast at what you're saying. Well, let me finish and do you can respond. I've been very patient and listening to you. Even how is it? I'll zip up your phone if he needs up with you to walk. See, I don't know why you talking like you gangster something on here, bro. Quit talking like it. You've got an afro got your mustache and you live in Chicago and you think you tough. Quit talking tough on his TV. Look, that's a different. That's a different type of Negro right there. You're what I said. I said I'm from Detroit. I hear what you say. Let's not waste time talking on here. Let's save Island. It's tough talk for person for in person for in person conversation. I'm all fine for that. All right. Now let's get back to what we're talking about. All right. Okay. Let's get back to talking. So he's up up. I'm going to go. The crux. The crux of what I'm expressing is that you know what I'm saying in the game. Right. Let's finish this point. Then you can respond. It's called debate. What? I don't know how you don't get that, Andre. What's your problem, bro? You just shut your mouth for a second and let go of both control. Look at you jump out. Look at you jump out at this. Like what? This is this the reason why you will never be as successful as you probably could be because you're an idiot. Talking about shimp out and all this old lame stuff. Did that's for little kids, but we grow men in here. And you talk about chimping out and all this old weird stuff. Quit being a weirdo. You have. You have potential to do better, but all you want to do is try to go viral. You need to have a nuanced conversation about the things that are going on in the community. Let me stop you right here. I'll land this right. I'll be very short. The things I talk about that comes from my family. I don't do this to do viral. I've been saying this. Anyone who's ever served with me or worked with me about the following you have listen. You brought up the following. No one knows who you are. No, you brought it up. And you ain't got no idea the following. I care about the message, Brandon. I don't do this for the. Your message is not getting anywhere, dude. People follow you and hear some of the things you say that they agree with. Brandon, I've been missing multiple times. They listen. You had to apply to a few things. They listen to a few things you say, Billions of views, and you should be quiet and listen. I'm trying to give you some free game. They listen to some of the things you say. Because they identify with some of the frustration. But then once you go off the reservation, you start acting stupid like a little kid, then they unfollow you. Just like I did. I can't follow you long enough to listen to you say the stupidest thing I attack you on Israel. And you said you'll threaten to sue me for defamation. That's what you said. No, I didn't show where I said I'm going to sue you for defamation. How am I going to sue you for defamation of Israel? No, you, did you say I got paid? Did you say I got paid? No, no, no, you said I got paid. Where's your proof? I got paid. He's getting the tips from the juice. I'm not getting paid. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you said I got paid. Where's your proof? I got paid. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You said I got paid. Where's your proof? I got paid. You were being out now. I would think they're getting paid. Let me just shut your mouth for a minute. Let me talk. Let me talk. It's very clear, Pierce, that young men can keep up. So we got to keep interjecting. I didn't get, I ain't never got paid by a single June to say what I believe. We've been kept up pretty good. Here you go. I never got paid by anybody to say what I believe. I just so happen to have a rock storm on my team. The head of connects with Bishop and Yahoo. That's how I got the interview. What is it that you believe? I don't think you believe anything. I think you just regurgitate what's on Fox News and what white boomers want to hear. That's pretty much it. I don't even want Fox News. You point back to the point saying that. Let me bring, let me bring Mark back in because you'd be very, you'd be very, Mark, you'd be very patient. Yeah, we, we made a point in the monologue about the free speech pendulum swinging from you can't say that so you can say anything. This is, this healthy for society is having somebody like Andre Williams on a panel like this debating with you guys. Is it constructive? Should we be giving platforms? Is he, is he the Black Knick for Wenters where there's a genuine debate about whether giving the New York's another panel is a good idea? I don't know, but I know he's got a following, he's getting a higher following and it's been an interesting debate to listen to you guys, but is it, is it right? Yeah, I, I think there's a philosophical question that we should ask about free speech and at that level, of course, there should be room for everybody at the table. Everybody should be able to speak and offer their perspective, whether I agree with it or not. Now, I think that when it comes to a perspective, a perspective should be informed, it shouldn't just be, to push buttons, it shouldn't just be to get a reaction, but, but that's not for me to decide, it's for the public to decide, it's for the people, Capitol Pete to decide. I may think, let's say hypothetically, I thought Andre were uninformed, immature, irrational, uneducated, and dressed like Lionel Jefferson, that doesn't mean that I get to decide he doesn't get the public square. What it does mean is if I have a show, I may not want him on my show because I don't think that there's sufficient added value, but that doesn't mean that someone with his worldview or point of view shouldn't be allowed in the room or the conversation. It should be, but when he comes in the room, just like when I come in the room, just like when you and Brandon come in the room, the question should be, how did you arrive at this conclusion? Do you have any evidence? Do you have an article, a study? Do you have proof? Do you have research? Do you have something other than just a strong opinion that is baseless? And if the answer is no, then I wouldn't let that person into my conversation, but that doesn't mean that that point of view shouldn't be allowed in the conversation. I think Brandon is a thousand percent wrong with Israel. I think Brandon is a thousand percent wrong with reparations. And you can find who is in slave again. My great grandparents were in slave. It's not that hard, but we can have that debate. But if he just comes out and says all Negroes are lazy, that's not a conversation. That's just a cheap for ratings if you don't do something more and that's not it. It's not what I said. All right. That's the thing. I said hypothetical. I said, hypothetically, I'm not talking about you, I'm not talking about you, I'm not talking about you. I'm speaking. I said, I said philosophical. I said philosophically and I said abstract those words or words you may not understand, but they weren't everything. Everything isn't about you. I'm talking about you. You know the truth is Andre, I would say this, is that for when to start it out like this, just saying terrible things, I love Hitler, all that kind of crap. And I've noticed he's begun to moderate what he says and distance himself from some of the early stuff because he was young and dumb and all the rest of it. And I sort of sense the same with you. You say things deliberately to wind everybody up to provoke, to enrage and so on. But that has a limited currency. If you genuinely want to be. a person of real influence in your community. You can't generalize in the way that you do about your community, because it's ridiculous. It would be like me saying, "All white people are lazy and entitled." I hate white people. You know, white women raise, white men to be submissive and so on. You know, white people's only achievement has been good at sport. If I say anything of the things about my community, nobody would take me seriously, because they would realize I was massively overgeneralizing in a deliberately offensive way, just to piss people off. And now I can tell you, it has a limited audience. -So, Nick is, but not black people. -The very expansive audience, because there's a great frustration with black people. And especially Americans in general, this is the entire porn and black fatigue. It's a growing frustration with the lack of accountability, with the lack of just a passion to go for and actually do things to actually correct the problems in our community. That's what the black fatigue thing is. And this is why I call it out, because there are so many black people who live in these neighborhoods, who live in these communities. And it came back to help out and came back to represent and be amongst the people unlike Mark and Brandon. This is something that I'm very passionate about. This is why I call it out. Because you're unrelatable. Yeah, I'm going to call it when I fuck up your name. -All right, final word. Final word. -I'll tell them to take it. -Okay. -All right. -Okay. -Yeah, no, I think that, you know, we are in America. We can disagree how we want. I think it's great to have different opinions. I think people can go and watch Andrew and they can believe what they want to believe from. And then they have other people they can watch like me and Mark and then they can also watch you peers. We live in America. We have the freedom of speech. I think every conversation should be had. And then if you don't like the conversation that's had, then have a better conversation. That's how I feel. And I'd say, Andre, I agree that the black community is struggling. But the difference is I take a more mature approach to it. And I understand how to articulate facts and actually get a connection with people. You don't have to live in a black community to support black people. And this is the reason why Andre will never, ever, unless he changes, be as successful, have as much following and have as much respect that I do. Andre would never go to a legitimate church and be able to speak at a church. He wouldn't because his mouth is foul and all he do is spew stupidity. If you want to be great, you need to be mindful at how you communicate the things that you say. If you want to just be a Nick Fuente as a fly-by-night, I'm only popular on social media. I'll never run a company. You'll never do anything outside of just running your mouth on social media. Unless you shut up and listen to people that have been doing this and are educated, then maybe you will be great. But until then, you need to start watching what you say if you want to have an impact. >> You're in a half. I think I've been pretty great, the fact that you're on social media. You go viral. You're not making an impact, bro. Nobody's listening to you. My assistant had no idea who you were. She looked you up and thought you were forming NFL player. And I said, "No, it ain't him." You can't do that. There's going to have to be a manager here, too. >> Okay. >> You want to be followed because of my news? >> We run out of time. I'm going to leave it there. >> She's not on the NFL player. >> No, he's not. >> He's been in a very interesting debate to listen to. I have to be honest. Thank you all for joining me. I appreciate that. >> There's that edge, isn't it? >> He's walking on the sense that it's proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. You enjoy our show. We're also only one simple thing. It's subscribe on YouTube. And follow Pears Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcast. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate, and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent Uncensored media has never been more critical, and we couldn't do it without you.