"You Crossed EVERY Moral Line!" Piers Morgan Vs Hamas + US-Iran War & Spain-Morocco Migration

I'm not talking this with agreement. I don't expect that Israel will fulfill for its commitments. Why is there a shortage? This is the question. Is there a big burden on the shoulders of the world? All means and methods would include rape. It would include murder. It would include burning down villages. And you want to paint them and say they're not a terrorist and anything United States should say out of it. You're a US listener. I didn't say that. Just take the frickin deal and let's get out of there. The only people that will be unhappy is Israel. And why? Because Iran will have become a little bit stronger. A lot of the theories being put out. Somehow the Israelis are behind all this. It suits them and the Americans to stir things up with the migrants. That's ridiculous. Where does this stop? Everything that seems to happen on Earth, somebody has this nutty idea that it must be Israel. President Trump says the US has delayed the biggest military attack since it's new to Japan. After a direct request from the Saudi Crown Prince and from Iran itself. Once again, Trump says that they are close to securing a deal. But many of the war's biggest supporters think this is a white flag and that any chance of a good deal has been vanquished by the midterm elections. Meanwhile, US and Israeli officials have been forced to deny extraordinary claims that they helped a plan a rush of 60,000 migrants into one of Spain's Moroccan slaves. We'll get to it all of that shortly, but we'll begin with an apparently historic breakthrough in Gaza. Trump's controversial Board of Peace says this reached a landmark deal for Hamas to disarm and for Israel to lead Gaza. There's been no official word from Israel, which carried out intensive strikes in Gaza this weekend. Well, Garzi Hamad is the spokesman for Hamas and joins me now. Mr. Hamad, thank you for joining me on Uncensored. In very simple terms, what is this deal? I think this is an exceptional deal because of the exceptional circumstances because of the the war in Gaza because of the operation in Gaza because the world is watching Gaza doing nothing. People are killed every day. People are exterminated every day in Gaza. No one succeeded to help our people there. All the people are watching. So I think we did all this in order to save our people, to save our citizens and Gaza. From disappointment, from kill maskening, from massacres, from genocide, from all kinds of torsions. So I think this is the first necessity in order to save our people in Gaza. I know it is not easy, I'm so not so pleased with deal because I think we are looking for something is more bitter in order to create good atmosphere for our people to end our occupation, to end the occupation, to build a new future for our people. What does it all do that situation? Brain is very bad, very hard for us. The no one helped us in this, and for 80 years, that all the international community are looking for watching the Palestinian people, people under operation killing, maskening, settlements in the West Bank, confiscating surveillance. So I think we tried to do something in order to save our people, to save our people, because in the table of the international community, this is an exceptional face of the Palestinian history, which is fault of pain, tears, blood and suffering. This is made someone is most hard to face in the Palestinian history. I hope that we can succeed to save our people from this monastery. Yesterday, we received significant messages from the Israeli after declaration, or after Hamas said that we accept this agreement. They killed more than 30 people, said it is a children and women. And they said very, very significant message to the United States, to the mediators, to the Qatar, Egypt and Turkey. We are not interested with the deal, we want to continue to kill people in Gaza Strip, to target everywhere. So I think that the words that understand that Israel is a burden, Israel is the cold of the believers in the Middle East, they created troubles in Lebanon, in Gaza, in West Bank, in Yemen, in Iraq, in Iran. I hope that the world can open their eyes. I see that the problem is not the Palestinian. The problem is Israel, which is state of occupation, state of extermination, state of genocide, state of racism, apartheid. I hope that they can understand this. Let me put a question to you. Okay, so you obviously do not trust the Israelis. And I would put to you that there's very good reason why they would not trust Hamas and you in particular, when you make any kind of pledges. Because of course, after October the 7th, one of the worst terrorist attacks of modern times, you went on camera publicly and said, "We will do this again and again and again," and said you were wedded to annihilating Israel. Why should the Israelis trust somebody who said that? You are a professional journalist. What do you expect from Palestinian people under occupation for 80 years? I am as Gaza, I know nothing about Israel. I know nothing about my people in Jerusalem. I know nothing about my people inside the green line. 80 years of suffering, oppression and suffering from the Palestinian. The Palestinian people, the Palestinian organization, PR law, they try to find the solution, peace and process with Israel, but Israel destroyed the peace and process. Instead of this, they started to take lands now to destroy the Palestinian authority. No, I understand, but with respect, Mr. Hamas, if I may just ask you a question. I just want to ask you to respond to my, Mr. Hamas, respectfully, if I could just ask you to answer the question, which is, "Given that you yourself said publicly that you wanted Hamas to keep doing an October the 7th style attack again and again and again, why should these Israelis trust you?" You know, they don't trust anyone. They don't listen to anyone. They don't listen to the mediators. They should not trust anyone because I think this is an occupation. You know, Hamas as a liberation organization, we never commit crimes. We never kill civilians. We try all the time to liberate our home from this country. Well, that's complete nonsense, Mr. Hamad. Sorry, sorry. I have to interrupt there. When you say you don't commit crimes and you don't kill innocent civilians, we all saw what happened on October the 7th in 2023. You had 3,000 members of your organization, Hamas, pour over the Israeli border and commit a series of despicable crimes in which you massacred innocent civilians. All over Israel, you then captured over 250 of them including Holocaust survivors and a baby. So the idea you've not committed crimes is ridiculous. I think 100% I'm confident that 100% we never commit crimes against civilians. Maybe some mistake happened, but it is not the police of Hamas. It is not the community of Hamas. Well, there were mistakes. You've gone down innocent people. Sorry, again, Mr. Hamad. I'm sorry. I can't let you get away with saying that. Hamas is deliberately massacred people at a music festival, hundreds of young people enjoying a music festival. That is a whole crime. There was no commas to kill civilians, or to kill women, or to kill children. I think maybe some mistakes happen, but I think that Hamas has no any kind of problem. There were mistakes. He burned people alive in their homes. There was no action to put civilians. It is why I do know that how many people, how many civilians, how hundreds of thousands of Palestinians is 1948, civilians, women, and children, were killed by these forces? What they are doing to Palestinian people is not something that you can do. Just to be clear, just to be clear, I just to be clear, I have said repeatedly on my show that I believe that the scale of Israel's response to October, the 7th, has been way over the top. They have killed far too many Palestinian civilians in their response to what happened that day. But given that you are the Hamas spokesman, for you to come on this program and say to me with a straight face that nobody in Hamas committed any crimes on October the 7th is just a brazen lie. You're people, there's no terrorists all over the border and slaughtered hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of innocent civilians and captured and captured many more. Peers, I'm mainly the Hamas and the rest of us. We believe in humanity. We believe in war. We believe in ethics and morality. We understand, this is very well. We've been doing better. You were violence again. Maybe they some stick by individuals, but it is not the police from us. It is not our thinking. It is not our mentality to kill civilians. But maybe some people, there are some mistakes haven't yet. I don't deny this. But you have to understand. You look to the hostages, or the Israel hostages, who were kept for a long time. I think we didn't have very, very, very kind. We feed them. give him all kinds of protection and children, but our prisoners now more than seven or nine thousands now every day they are exposed to the tortures and exposed to the humiliation on all kinds of bad behavior. So I take now, we believe that we follow the SLL impermissions who instruct us now to deal with, even with any, but look to now to Gaza, you know, since the signature of the of the Sharma Sheikh agreement about 1,000 and 400 people were killed. But you can't see 80% of the archivelians, women and children, before that in this war, this war, this war of genocide, more than 80 according to aesthetics and the status of the international organization, more than 90% of people are archivelians. So you, I think as Hamas, we know we believe to fight against oppression. This is our duty to fight against them again and again and again, because I think we are looking to build our future, to free our homeland. But if you're going to, Mr Hamad, if you're Mr Hamad, let me, let me again interrupt you, because I, I can't just let you talk without being challenged. When you accuse Israel of committing crimes, I think you have perfectly legitimate claims against some of the actions of this Israeli government and a proper investigation will need to happen about exactly what has happened in Gaza and how many civilians have been killed. I think the reaction from the Israeli government has been way, way, way over the top and they've killed far too many civilians. They say they've only gone after Hamas terrorists and in the process civilians have been killed. I think that's a very questionable position of them. I also think the fact that 75, 80% of Gaza is pretty well uninhabitable is a disgrace and I think the actions are some members of the Israeli government, Ben Gavir, Smodrich and others and their words are borderline certainly ethnic cleansing and possibly genocidal. I think their plan and intention is to take the West Bank in Gaza. So, you know, I've tried to be very fair in my coverage of this since October the 7th and I'm very aware of the history going back to 1948. However, if you're going to come on here and you're going to accuse Israel of committing crimes but in the same breath, try and tell me that no Hamas terrorists on October the 7th, committing crimes, everybody watching this interview will think you're alive. Why would you want them to think you're alive? It's not it's not it's not it's not it's true, actually. I think we are acting against occupation. We never, as Hamas, we never use our power and our capability against Europeans, against Christians, against Jews, against Western people. We are fighting against a occupation and it is our reason to write according to United Nations resolution, according to the international community, according to all kinds of regulations and laws, it is our fight against to in this this this this want to stop this occupation. We want to end it. No one else has to do that. So, I think we have to use everything but we we never cross the lines of morality and the humanity and laws in our conflict against the Christian, but if you look today, I'm sorry, but again, Mr. Hamad, I'm sorry, listen, I'm sorry, but you crossed every line of humanity, morality, every line on October the 7th, the actions, the actions of Hamas on October the 7th crossed every single moral, ethical, and humanity line, your people committed acts of utter barbarism against innocent Israelis. You did, we saw it with our own eyes. Your people, your Hamas terrorists, belief, well, you're just to be clear, just to be clear, your Hamas terrorists, your people, they deliberately posted videos of themselves committing their atrocities in real time. I think what happened, I'm going to tell you, if you let me answer, I'll tell you, on October the 7th, I'll tell you why, I'll tell you why, I will tell you, I understand your position, I understand your position and I understand that you believe you're fighting an occupation, you believe you're therefore freedom fighters. I understand your Hamas position. However, I I brand Hamas terrorists because the actions on October the 7th were the actions of a terrorist organization that committed a series of despicable crimes against the Israeli people. Now there is no justification. Well, let me ask you one simple question, one simple question, why would you take hostage a baby? What possible justification? Never mind all the other crimes. Why would you kidnap a baby? I thought again and again and again. We have no instruction to do that. We never plan to take a civilian. So why do they do it? No, no, no, I want to tell you something, this is a fact that in the beginning of this award that I think we pulled some international organization, we are ready to free all civilians, all civilians in the beginning of the world, but it's a refuse that. You know, I wasn't in this negotiation table. Way, way, way proposed to release all the civilians, but it's a refuse that our goal in this war or in the 7th of October is to what's called to lift the siege on Gaza to take soldiers, who's just right, in order to free about 6,000 Palestinians, some of them, they spend more than 40 or 30 years in the prison under oppression and humiliation. This is our goal. And along the history of Hamas, we never used to risk against anyone. So I think what we are fighting in order to free our people, in order to fight against our occupation, in order to free our people, our land from the occupation. There is no wind evenness that Hamas is using or committing crimes against Sivina. This is breathed by our religions and our communities. Why? Why? In that case, in that case, why did Hamas terrorists go to a music festival full of young people and massacre hundreds of those young people at a music festival? Tell me why. Tell me why they did that. If as you say, there were no instructions to make to commit crimes. If you go back, if you go back to some investigation done by Israeli institution and even if you go to Haritz newspaper, you say that that many people killed by the Israeli forces. Many Israeli citizens killed by the Israeli forces. Many of them, with Hamas fighters entered inside the real line, the Israeli tanks and helicopters and all military weapons. They did direct their fire to the Israeli citizens and that. They tried maybe to kill the members of Hamas, but they killed the Israeli citizens. I think you have to be very accurate in this issue. If you go back to the some investigation to understand Hamas, it was not direct in its action against the civilians. Our goal is very clear. I don't deny that there are some mistakes haven't at that time, but this is not our policy. This is not our goal. This is not our thing. Mr. Hamad, Mr. Hamad, Mr. Hamad, they were not mistakes. These were young Hamas terrorists who were going from home to home massacring families in their homes, setting fire to them, buttering them with knives, gunning them down with guns. They were doing it all over that area when they attacked. These were mistakes. This was a coordinated plan of a terrorist attack. If you were trying to deny that, is to deny what we all saw with our own eyes. And the reason we saw most of it is because the Hamas terrorists posted what they were doing onto social media platforms in real time because they were so proud of what they were doing. Do you have any proof for that? Do you have a proof? Do you have a proof that the proof came from home to home? Oh, yeah. There is enormous amounts of proof. What, you don't think Hamas killed any civilians that day? No, I don't deny that there's some mistakes done. I don't deny that. But as I told that I'm, as a member of the government, they were killed deliberately. We are not, no, no. I don't do this time in this because I'm so confident that we are Hamas that we, we did October 7 as I told you in order to lift the siege on Gaza. That we sent people in order to free Gaza from the siege imposed in Gaza for more than 15 years. But it didn't work to me. Okay, okay, let me assume, all right, Mr. Hamad, let me assume that that was your plan, right? And just before we get into my point about that, there is a report that you yourself left Gaza before October the 7th and haven't been back, is that true? I lift Gaza before October the 7th, that's right. But then you haven't been back. Something is normal. It's not something exceptional. I lift Gaza. No, but you talk a lot, but you have talk, the reason I ask you, the reason I ask you is you've talked a lot about the heroic martyrs on October the 7th, but where was your heroism? Where were you standing up for your people given that you fled the country and went to Canada rather than stay and fight and fight as you put it, the occupation. Give me one minute. If you go back in October 6th, not October 7th. If you look into the situation, Gaza, step to ask yourself, why Hamas did that? Before October 7, that all Palestinian under occupation, being given all the time and the smotherish and the This was called the crazy gang in Israel. They tried very hard to destroy the Palestinian identity, killing Palestinians, taking their lands, building more settlements, expanding settlements, there is no time to destroy the peace and process, they destroy everything. And the world is watching. Look at Israel's boy boy, Israel is very beautiful. We have to protect Israel and the Palestinian for eight years under a prison. What do you expect the Palestinian to do? We have two options. Either we keep ourselves as slaves under the occupation and be very polite and throw flowers in the Israeli occupation, or to fight them, or to go in the other way. Either we go to the direction of peace or the action of violence. You don't give the Palestinian any option. The world, they keep the Palestinians under oppression all the time doing nothing. So I think October 7th is justified. Justifies because when you see that the Palestinians are killed every day, and their lands are taken by these crazy gangs, and everything is destroyed. And we have no harm land, no identity, no flag, no street, even they destroy the Palestinian authority. They destroy the peace and peace. So what do you expect from the Palestinian? Palestinian people to do that. You want to keep silence? To keep silence for eight years? To do nothing? No one helped them. - My response to that, my response to you, my response to you, Mr. Hamad, Mr. Hamad. I believe that Palestinians should have the exact same human rights as Israelis and anybody else. I believe in a two-state solution. I believe there should be a full state of Palestine, and that should be the way through this. - Why is that should exist, why? - Oh, is it, let me make my. Well, the same way that you should exist. To kill people? - I believe Israel has a right to. I believe Israel. I believe Mr. Hamad, I believe that Israel and. Let me finish. I believe that Israel and Palestine both have a right to exist as independent states. There should be a two-state solution. I've always believed that. However, I would ask you this more difficult question. If what happened on October 7th, as you put it, was justified, which I think is a grotesque defense of a terrorist attack, but let's assume for one moment that you think that what you did that day was essential for getting what you wanted for the people of Gaza than it's been a spectacular failure, hasn't it? Because nearly 80,000 people, at least, probably many more, have been slaughtered by the IDF in response. 75, 80% of Gaza has been flattened. The people that have been left in a tiny area of Gaza are living in the most appalling conditions. And you've now got Israeli ministers openly talking about an ethnic cleansing of both Gaza and the West Bank. So from a strategic point of view, whether you defend what you did on October 7th or not, and I think you're using the defense. The strategy will look. Well, my point, my question, my question. No, no, no, no, no. Mr. Hamlet, let me ask you the question. Let me ask you the question. Do you accept that your strategy that day has been a spectacular failure? Look, it will look just to one side. I know you are a professional journalist. And I think you have to look with two eyes. I know that we paid a bit price. That's right. But it's not a choice. As 1948, we paid more than 100,000 of people medalized by Israel, 100,000 of prisoners, 100,000 of injured people. You know, this is tragedy of the Palestinian tragedy continued for more than 80 years. So I think if you look to the other side, before after October 7th. Now, if you look that Israel is completely isolated by NATO, how are we going to do that without the October 7th? When the world now understands the fact and the essence of Israel, that is the state of genocide, a state of mass killing, state of ethnic cleansing, and a prime minister of Israel now is wanted by ICC. Did you expect that this or this will happen without paying a price? Now Israel is completely isolated. No, all the world ahead is right. All the world now they put the policy of vote on the table. They asked now to end the occupation. But before the October 7th, we all the time, took into the United Nations Security Council, meetings, and meetings, and meetings, everything community is really safe. Nothing is done on the ground. But I think now, okay, the idea is a big price. Gaza is destroyed. Our people is suffering, that's right. But in other said, I think there are many strategic achievements happen in the last three years. I can't, first of all, when the world, they think that now Israel's exhausted, either in Gaza, Spain, Lebanon, Iraq, and I think we want to continue to fight against it is right. I think Hamas did not change it. Okay, let me ask you, let me ask you. Let me ask you, let me ask you. Let me ask you this finally, there's this deal in place. How confident are you that this deal is actually going to happen? Is Hamas genuinely prepared to disarm? And if so, when will you start giving up your weapons? As a whole, this is an exceptional face in the Palestinian history. Because of the forced necessity, because of the hard circumstances in Gaza, we accept this agreement. But I think that as Hamas, I can't confirm that we didn't change our mentality, our goal to end the occupation, to continue to end the occupation with the Palestinian faction, because this is our holy mission in order to end the occupation. Maybe with some, this time, some different tactics, some different tools, some different methods are right. But I think this is the end of the history. You know that the Palestinian history, if you read it, there are past and many, many painful stages. But I think this is one of them. It is very hard. I'm not so pleased with that agreement, disagreement, because I think that I'm looking to something is more bitter in order to protect our people. I don't expect that Israel will follow full of all its commitments. Because we know the Aces of Israel, we just said Israel for more than 80 years. They will not accept any agreement, because the state of arrogance, state of supremacy, they want to control everything by force. But I think as at all that Hamas will continue with the Palestinian faction, all of them, in order to fight against the occupation until we reach the end of this occupation and freedom for our people. And do you still believe that Israel should be annihilated? Who the question appears to be to be fair? Now, what the existence of Israel, what they give, what this give in the world, something is bitter. Israel creating troubles with the Palestinians all the time, with Lebanon, with Syria, with everywhere. They address United States now to open war with Iran all the time they are creating troubles. Why Israel should exist? Is there a big burden on the shoulder of the war? No, the question was very straightforward and very simple. Do you still believe, as you said in the past, that Israel should be annihilated? Yes or no? I think that I am very honest. I think the war should understand the Aces of Israel, and they should understand this as state of occupation, genocide, abartry, state of settlements, every day they are they are chaining the international community, all the time they are chaining the United Nations resolution, all the time they are chaining the security council resolution. So is the answer yes or no? Why did it skype? Why did it skype? Of democracy? One day, now describe Hamas as terrorist organization. Right. But I didn't ask you for your view. I didn't ask you for your view. I didn't ask you to repeat your view. No, I didn't. I simply said, Mr. Hamad. Mr. Hamad. He said, do you still think Israel should be annihilated? Yes or no? What's the answer? I think the war should be considered the existence of Israel. I think the existence of Israel is very dangerous for the Middle East, for the whole world. If Israel gives some good difference to people, tell me, what is there doing in the Middle East? Tell me, what they are doing in the Middle East? They are killing, they are part of the tide, they are resisting, all kinds, all kinds of awful things that Israel is doing in the Middle East. Mr. Hamad. Mr. Hamad, you made your views about Israel clear. People can make their own minds up from the way you answered my question. I appreciate you coming on Uncensored. Thank you for your time. Well, for reaction to that extraordinary interview into debate, all the latest is Joe Kent, the former director of a National Counterterrorism Center at Chek Yuga, founder and CEO of the young Turks, Rob O'Neal, the US Navy SEAL veteran, and Matt Tardio, his retired Green Beret, and host to speak the truth. Well, welcome to all of you. Joe Kent, a pretty extraordinary conversation I had there with the official Hamad spokesman. This is the guy who became infamous very quickly after October 7th, saying publicly, we want to do this again and again and again, and calling for an violation of Israel. It's very hard having listened to his answers to my questions. To imagine that this deal that's been put on the table has much chance of actually working. What is your view? I didn't agree with you. I don't believe this deal. Well, I think it's a no-blast aspiration for us to try and come up with some kind of a ceasefire or a peace or a disarmament plan there, but overall, I don't understand what America's role in this is, America has no dog in this fight. This is between Israel and between us. The second that we go in and we try and play referees, we are getting ourselves deeply intertwined in a problem that no one's been able to solve. And quite frankly, it doesn't really pertain to people in the United States of America. And unfortunately, what we have done by funding the state of Israel is we've essentially put our name on everything that the Israelis have done to the Palestinians in both Gaza and West Bank now for decades. And that's come back to cost us in a very, very big way in terms of low-backed terrorism, in terms of the way the whole region views us. So my position as an American is that we should just stay out of this conflict completely. We shouldn't be funding Israel anymore based on how they've converted themselves inside of Gaza and also how they've drug us into this war in Iran. - Summer is here, and for once even we Brits have had nothing much to complain about very few things. You can sport a long day at the beach or the park and the golden sun. Well, hire my list of threats to summer serenity, however, would be scratchy spartan towels with no depth in the austere texture of Soviet sandfabre. That's why I'm very pleased that support for our show comes from cozy earth. There will no for the luxurious bedsheets and lounge garments, but to my great relief, they also make some of the world's most comfortable towels. Now for those of us who aspire to spa like premium resort style luxury, they've got you covered. And if you're not going to the beach or the pool anytime soon, bring the five star quality into your bathroom instead. They're oversized, ultra plush, and completely built for your best summer days. Head to cozy earth.com and use my code Pears, P-I-E-R-S for an exclusive 20% off. That's code Pears for the exclusive 20% off. And if you get a post-purchase survey, tell them I sent you. - Okay, Robo Neil, welcome back to Uncensored to you. What did you make of that interview with the Hamas spokesman? - Well, thanks for having me again, Pears. It's frustrating. Obviously, he's very passionate about where he is, but when he tries to make a point, he just starts talking over his own point and then reiterating the same nonsense. And when he gets asked a direct question that he's expected to answer, he won't answer. He just dances around it. It doesn't really seem like he's very serious about it at all. If you can look at some of the footage and I'm someone that says if I wasn't there in person and I only saw it on TV, I'm going to have questions. But the amount of footage, the amount of live streaming, everything that happened on October 7th and to say that there weren't atrocities committed. I mean, it's, you know, I don't, I think war's violent. I know war's violent. War's permanent, war can be very scary, but the moment you start taking children as prisoners and then taking them across borders, that's a big problem. That's not a number of reasons, not just moral reasons, but if you can't tell the truth about something right in front of your face, why would we think that a ceasefire negotiator is going to take place in good faith? I just, whenever someone starts using so many words and talking over themselves and when an argument starts, they don't listen to the other side. It's a very frustrating, especially on, you know, the first Monday of the week. - Yeah, I'll check you again. Welcome back to Uncensored to you. Well, what did you think of it? I mean, I just felt after half an hour talking to that guy that I just can't see any deal really working here because there's so much, so little trust on both sides. Hamas, hey, the Israelis, the Israelis hate Hamas. You can have any kind of peace deal in principle that you want to try and conjure. But is it really going to stop these guys wanting to kill each other? - Yeah, of course we're going to have a peace deal. So, Israel and Egypt have had a peace deal for decades. The necessity is for Israel to want a peace deal. So look, you know, that conversation didn't move me at all as to why that particular peace deal isn't going to work. It's, Hamas has agreed to give up its weapons. That's that's of the deal, which by the way, you know, I'm on the left, but if this deal held, I would give Trump a lot of credit because the Israelis claimed they wanted the hostages back and they wanted Hamas to disarm and Trump got both of them. Now, Israel says, no, we don't want the deal and we're going to keep 70% of Gaza. So, peers, you know that I said on this show that this was never about self-defense. It was about land acquisition. And here they are sitting on 70% of Gaza. They basically forced over two million Palestinians into 30% of Gaza, which is an open air concentration camp. So, you know, you ask them about how they took hostages. You know, I think that they shouldn't have killed any civilians and they shouldn't have taken any hostages. Now, Israel takes thousands upon thousands of hostages. They never charged them with any crime. They don't even bother to pretend that they did anything wrong. Then they systematically torture and rape them. So, what Israel has done is demonstrably way, way worse than Hamas. So, in terms of the hostages, in terms of the occupation, in terms of 70 times the civilians killed, we all know why we don't have peace. There's only one reason, and it's Israel. So, Israel says no to the deal that Trump and Hamas just did. They say no to the deal that Trump did with Iran. They say, in that memorandum of understanding, they have to leave Lebanon. And Israel says, no, we're never going to leave Southern Lebanon. This was always about greater Israel. And America, you owe us. You owe us, your military now 18 Americans have died. And apparently they owed Israel their lives. And over 400 Americans injured all for Israel, all the wars are for Israel. And so, you know, you could blame Hamas. And I would agree with you on what they did on October 7th and the civilians killed. But at the end of the day, who deserves more blame? The slaves are the slaveholders. Obviously, the slaveholders, obviously Israel. So, they say, well, look, maybe we might liberate you if you grovel at our feet. But then, you know us, we never listen to any peace deal. So, we probably will defy it anyway. So, there's nothing that appeases the fascist in Israel. Can we please stop funding them? And having our men and women killed for this terrorist state? And if you call Hamas terrorists, OK, no problem appears. But you have to acknowledge that Israel is far bigger terrorist organization. They have a worse civilian kill ratio. And they've killed at a bar minimum 70 times the number of civilians. And you talked about that baby who was taken hostage. They incinerated 23,000 children. Why are we helping these Nazis? OK. Matt Tardio, welcome back to you, Duane Sonsin. What is your response to Cheneyuga? It's saying, listen, I'm holding in front of me the Palestinian-- or excuse me, the Hamas Charter from 2017. Can you point to me where it states what the actual land of Palestine consists of that they say is being occupied right now? Do you know what it actually says? So you know that-- so A, I don't care about the Hamas Charter. I care about the Palestinians. OK, well, you should. OK, so I know what happened in 1948. Hey, does this make any sense to me? Does this make sense? Hold on, Sank, I asked you a specific question. OK, does Palestine-- No, no, no, no, no. I asked you a specific question, and you didn't want to. So I'm going to read it for you. This is my response. No, I don't give a damn about the Charter. No, no, Sank, this is important. No, it's real. Because this is Hamas's stance. You don't care about the Palestinian forever. You don't care about the Palestinian-- You don't care about what the Palestinian is doing. Hang on, hang on. You don't care about the Palestinian's stance. Don't talk-- please don't talk over each other. I'm interested in hearing it. So Matt, read it, says. Yeah, so this is from paragraph two the land of Palestine. Palestine, in which it extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west, and from Raj Al-Nakura in the north to Umal Rashosh in the south is an integral territorial unit. It is the land in the home of the Palestinian people, the expulsion, and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity. They're in, do not, the right of the Palestinian people, to their entire land and do not entrench any rights they're in for the usurping Zionist entity. When they talk about occupation, they're not talking about Gaza because both Sank, you, I, we all know that there is zero Israeli troops inside of Gaza on October 7. Further, when you gave that interview to that spokesperson, you asked him specifically whether they're going to lay down their arms, how it's going to go, he continued to state that they were going to resist. And what does that resisting-- what does that resisting, like basically consists of? Well, we can refer to paragraph 25 in their charter. Resisting the occupation with all means and methods is a legitimate right guarantee by divine laws and by international norms and laws at the heart of these lie armed resistance, which is regarded as a strategic choice for protecting the principles and the rights of the Palestinian people, by all means and methods. Sank, all means and methods would include rape. It would include burning down villages and all of those things. And you want to sit back and you want to paint them and say they're not a terrorist entity in the United States should say out of it. You're a US citizen, are you? I didn't say that. Oh, no, wait, you're not. I'm sorry, Joe Kent. You had stated that-- No, I'm a US citizen, I didn't say that. Oh, you are. I'm sorry. I was confused. I was confused. I was confused. I was very happy to answer that meeting. This isn't a Israeli-- hold on. This isn't a Israeli talking point. This is a Hamas talking point. Further, you're a US citizen. You said that we shouldn't do anything about them. What about the US citizens? Namely, let's go at the last one that Hamas killed a Hirsch Goldberg. He was taken hostage. Should the US have sat highly by and allowed this radical terrorist organization to take US citizens and kill them? What's your stance on that? No, he's asking me in question. OK, now you've asked me a number of questions. Can I answer them? Absolutely. I'd love to hear your stories. So number one, yeah, okay, here we go. So number one, Israel has killed 10 U.S. citizens in the last three years. No one has been arrested. So our government is saying Israel is allowed to murder U.S. citizens and we won't ask them to even arrest the people who did it. So that is how little the Israelis think of U.S. citizens. They take our money, they've taken over $300 billion. Ma'am, a dime to the Palestinians, all we do is fund the endless genocides and wars of Israel because they bribe 94% of our Congress. They bribe people like you and people in media to pretend that they're innocent. Now the reality is- How am I right, Singh? How am I right? How am I right? How am I right? How am I right? No, I don't care. Maybe you groveled to Israel for free. I don't really care why you suck up to Israel when you should be caring about America and our American boys and girls that are getting dined for Israel for no-one. I just named it. I just named it. I just stolen by the Israelis for no reason. I just named it. I just named it in the Palestinian-American-assets. I just named it in the Palestinian-assets. Okay, so every time he talks over me, so you say, "Oh, the Israelis are murdering and taking hostages and for 80 years they pulverized the Palestinians and by the way you mentioned from the river to the sea." Nanyahu has said Israel is going to take from the river to the sea. Hamas's charter is entirely theoretical because they have no power to execute it. Israel actually is executing from the river to the sea and they did a genocide and they murdered over 76,000 people to do that and you say, "Oh, what Israel does from the river to the sea." When they murder 23,000 children, no big deal. But when the Palestinians dare to fight back against their enslavement or all of a sudden, I can't believe what terrorists Palestinians are. It's the least they could do to fight back against those monsters. Okay. So at least that's how much I'm going to do with it. I'm going to put my hands on the list. The least that Hamas could do to fight back against the monsters was October 7th. That's your stance to be clear. No, I didn't say October 7th. I said fighting back in terms of resistance against their military resistance. Now it's the resistance. So what Israel is doing is showing Hamas. So if I acknowledge that Hamas is terrorists, then you must acknowledge that there's a war. I want to segway. Okay. That's not true. I want to segway to Iran before we run out of time. Jo Ken, we bring you back in here and talk about the Iran situation. I spoke to Donald Trump last night for quite some time actually. When you say one thing about Trump, he was still up at 1am in Washington in the Oval Office working. So no one can question the guy's work, I think. But on Iran, he reiterated to me what he said publicly, which is that yesterday was going to be the day that in his words, the United States would have unleashed the biggest bombardment against Iran that the world has seen since World War II. And it was yanked at the last minute after direct appeals to the president by the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia and other allies. So he reiterated that to me. That's clearly what he said publicly. What do you make of where we are here because we're nearly what, five, six months into this war that was supposed to be over in two to three weeks. It's clearly not gone the way that Donald Trump hoped or the way that Netanyahu and the Israelis told him it might go. We are where we are with this. The Iranians appear to have a tight control of a straightforward moose. The Gulf states are extremely twitchy about the Americans and Israelis bombarding Iran again in a way that triggers attacks on them, not back in America and Israel, but against Saudi Arabia, against Qatar, against the UAE, against Kuwaiti, against Bahrain and so on. That is the asymmetric war. The Iranians have been waging and they've been waging it very successfully as to be said. So where do you think we are, Joe, with this war? Right now we're stuck, but I'm really glad that President Trump did not take the bombing action that he was talking about. Look, if there was a military solution to this problem, President Trump would have executed a long time ago, and it would be over, but President Trump has realized there is no military solution to it. That's what we got into the MOU. In the first place, unfortunately, we cut that same side deal at the same time in Lebanon and then we were encouraging ships to go outside the MOU and use the straights of our moves. We returned to hostilities, but President Trump, I think, wants some kind of a formal agreement with the Iranians. The Iranians simply aren't going to give him that. But we are up against the tight timeline of major economic shock coming from what's taking place in the straights of our moves, a bubble mind deep with the Uthes. And again, there's no military solution to any of this. So President Trump is a narrow window right now where he can get our troops out. Before we take any more losses, before we are forced to then have to get back into a retaliation cycle that could spin out of control, he's going to window when we can get out right now. I think he's already realized that most of our bases in the region are nothing more than a strategic liability, a rather than a strategic asset, because that's what making the Gulf allies are telling us as well. So now is the time for him to say, hey, we accomplished all our military objectives. Iran has agreed that they aren't going to have a nuclear weapon because the Iranians are going to have to support the Spanish War, but he can just message that that was what we accomplished. He can pull our troops out of the region, and then we can quietly use the carrot of sanctions relief to get the straights of our moves open back to a normal operating situation. Same thing with the Uthes, we're going to have to restrain the Israelis in a couple of chances because the Israelis were the ones that got President Trump into this. They're the ones that got us on board with killing the ISIL, which unfortunately and tragically is galvanized as the Iranian people against us, which is why the diplomacy track is pretty much in general. That's what we just need to get out right before this escalates further. Yeah, Robert Neal, I mean, that is certainly my view of this, is I don't see any way this improves the longer it goes on for Donald Trump or the United States interests in this. There is the ongoing clash with what the Israelis want, which is a different agenda to what the Americans want or should or should want. The Trump has the imperative of the midterm elections coming and all the potential political fallout and so on. But from a military point of view, Rob, given what we've seen in the last five, six months now in this war, is there any way for things to escalate in a way that would actually be a good thing for the United States? Militarily, I don't want to see an escalation, well, really at all. And I think we're there hitting on the ports and stuff right now, we're good. They're hitting some serious infrastructure right now, but you've got to believe there are some negotiations going on in the back end here, just like there were in Venezuela. Like Maduro had a reason to get out there to do a backdoor deal, just because the cartels he didn't want to be underwater with them, hopefully, and I'm saying hopefully because they're good at keeping their cars against their chest. There's some backdoor deal here to get a new regime in that doesn't include the Shah. And again, I'm not in, I'm not in on these, but what I've seen happen with the administration is they're running a business that wasn't run well, meaning this government, they have an unlimited budget, but they could be, just could be playing politics, meaning there are a lot of elections coming up to include Israel right around October, November, time frame. I mean, I wouldn't put a past to be doing something for some sort of an October surprise, something like that because of how short the attention span of the American public is the world public. So, you know, I'm trying to be optimistic with it. It seems like no matter what people are yelling and screaming and fighting no matter what we do, and it's happened even back in 1978 with Carter and what we did with Egypt. Like, Chuck was referring to earlier. With people sitting here yelling at each other and bringing up points about how you did this wrong and you're never going to do this is probably not going to solve much, but that's kind of where we are. I'll try to be optimistic with it. I mean, we look back to even on my birthday, April 10th, 1998, something about the good Friday up in North Ireland with England and they, that's two countries that kind of wanted to choose. That only took 12 years with people who wanted to and they weren't a fanatic ideologues. So, hey, I'm sitting here watching, I'll do what I can to help and I'll just say what I think is the truth and I'll leave it at that. Chuck, the problem it seems to me is that if you take Joe's scenario as the least worse scenario and I agree with it, by the way, you could have a situation where, for all the words that Donald Trump comes out with, if he was to do that, the Iranians keep all their enriched uranium. They keep control of a straight-of-hall moose, maybe even having a new tolling system which they didn't have before this. The IRGC remain in control of the country. There's been no popular uprising at all. You have the Ayatollah's son who is almost certainly, for more reports, more hardliner radical than his father, probably not least because his father was murdered in his estimation, you know, at the start of this war. So, you've got a situation where the victory, you know, I think Joe is right. You should claim the victory and get the hell out, but it would be actually, in reality, a very ignominious failure, wouldn't it, based on what the original war aims were supposedly about? So, in order to answer that question, let's step back here before the war, so why did we do the war? We claimed that it was for a nuclear weapons program which they didn't have, right? And so, and we had ended their nuclear weapons program under the Obama deal to begin [BLANK_AUDIO] They were shipping out all their Uranium they had no chance of enrichment at that point the Israelis demanded that we get out of that deal So they would have an excuse for this war. So what was their actual objective? We all know what their objective was destroy their Uranium regime Newter it completely if they can put in a puppet like the the Shah that will serve Israel Why because Israel wants to be a regional superpower in fact net and Yahoo after the war started said that he said this is going to get Make us stronger Iran weaker. We're going to get America to destroy all their ballistic missiles their drones We're going to get regime change now That was their true objective in terms of the American Objectives we have this fake objective of ending a nuclear weapons program that doesn't exist But great let's end it for the second time the third time and now we have a new objective Which is to open up the straight-ahorn moves because that's what the war created that it being blocked Okay, but Iran has promised to do that now many many times just take the frickin deal and let's get out of there So you're right peers at the end of that Iran will it will get what we want no nuclear weapons program straight-ahorn moves is real open Iran gets what it's want it wants which is to end the war and has stopped being bombed right the region gets stability in peace The only people that'll be unhappy is Israel and why because Iran will have become a little bit stronger because they'll have Sanctions relief they might get money from the Gulf and and now we all know that they can block the straight-ahorn moves whenever we want it But hey Israel you gambled you pushed us into a war and you thought it would help you be stronger and Iran be weaker as it turned out Iran it was made stronger by the war so that's a sad day for you Honestly for us. It doesn't really matter who's slightly stronger in the Middle East We have no business in the Middle East to begin with and so Israel says how dare you unless you're an anti-Semite you Old me hundreds of billions of dollars and every war that I want and you owe me my territorial ambitions of Southern Lebanon Southern Syria Gaza and the West Bank. No, we don't the American people don't owe Iran or Israel anything anything at all So let's just get our two objectives of for God's sake get out of there and if Israel wants to cry All they ever do is cry all boo who we didn't get to murder enough Palestinians We didn't get enough take enough land in the Middle East we didn't get to murder enough Iranians so what that they're crying so we just have to cut it out and Just clearly recognize that the Israelis are the bad guys here They're the terror literally the worst civilian kill ratio of any terrorist group in the world and they keep making a Spend our blood and treasure on their offensive fascist attacks in the Middle East Stop funding Israel and our relationship completely sorry, we're just not that into you The American people are very clear 60% and rising saying end our relationship with Israel The only question is are any of our government officials going to work for America or are they going to continue to work for Israel? And by the way on Tuesday we might find out because if I'll do a little side wins in Michigan We're going to liberate the Democratic Party from Israel and we'll at least have one party back representing America Okay, Mattardia your response to that and your wide-view of where we are with the war in Iran and what Donald Trump should do Yeah, you know Pierce I've stated this before on your show where I don't believe that it's about the nuclear weapons program I think that's the legal excuse for the United States to go in there because in June He said that we had completely totally obliterated the nuclear weapons program on after operation midnight hammer set them back decades But in February we heard that they were weeks away then this June he had stated that Only two countries in the world might be able to get it out Which is going to be either the USA or China in reference to their highly enriched uranium that was buried So I do think this is about putting pressure on Russia and China and bringing Russia to the negotiation table over inside of Ukraine With that set aside towards a start of news into Joe's point where he said that we went against the MOU That's not true in the MOU it specifically says in that paragraph that's discussing the serial removes between Oman and Iran That they must do so in accordance with international law international law clearly lays the serial removes out as International waters. There is no ifs ands or buts about it ships are allowed to pass through that water in accordance with international law without Iran say so So doing anything like against international law agreeing to give them control over it quite frankly The United States doesn't have the authority or ability to do so When it goes down to syncs points about the greater Israel project and all of this other stuff It's absolute nonsense even Israel agreed to withdraw troops in a phased withdrawal They're going to retrograde and be replaced by the Lebanese armed forces, which are only about 80,000 strong in the United States It's going to help build and prop them up and order to start replacing the Israeli troops that they could end up pulling out The entire thing is a facade. It's just it's a how do I want to say this? I don't know how many times you can hear the same talking points out of these guys without any actual intellectual facts that that that back them up Okay, let's have a look at Shaza now. How's that for a fact? What does that say? The facts are on the ground you The facts are on the ground. They control southern Lebanon southern Syria Gaza and the West Bank as we speak They have 70% of Gaza you keep telling us they're going to withdraw and they never ever withdraw And in fact, they say they're never going to withdraw literally they literally just a day later. They will never free the Palestinians They are literally agreeing they're going to be good guys one day, but they're never the good guys. They're always the bad guys So what is what is the international security force therefore? Is it so the Israelis can stay there? No, the international security force just made a deal trump just made a deal with Hamas They're going to disarm and Israel's supposed to withdraw and then Israel said no We don't honor the deal. They're going to put their weapons that's the fact Yeah, so here's why because point 20 of the plan The original one the 20-point plan said that they should not have their weapons that they're supposed to be disarmed And point eight of the new deal says that they will store their weapons and we just hold on and we just know that no They agreed to store their weapons and a Hamas spokesperson just said that they're going to continue to resist the occupation You just heard it yourself What does resist mean? No, he just no, but brother. Yes, he says they will continue to That's not what Hamas means. You can resist. We can do that. And he just said they're going to turn according to their charter It's never good enough for us. That's not according to their charter. That's not according to what else do you want what else do you want? You can use that you can use a dictionary definition. Trump believes you can use a dictionary definition Or you can use Hamas's definition. This is Hamas's definition. Do you want them to get on their knees? Okay, what do you want? What other humiliation do you want? You don't you know the real reason I know Israel to own the Palestinian land. Okay, and you're just there but propagating a mouthpiece for them. No, I don't want them. I know you're a certain hangout. I want to bring in. I want to bring in a different country. I want to bring in Joe gentleman. Um, it seems to be the co-fear and then figure here that I can bring him when things get too outrageous. Um, Joe, I want to end just with you because of this extraordinary photograph that emerged over the weekend. Or and you were in this picture. It was at Tucker Carlson's home. Uh, you're in there with Marjorie Taylor Green. Thomas Massey. Tucker. Um, what was this? There is word that you're all planning as Marjorie Taylor Green put it a new political movement. Um, what is the movement? Could it be an actual party? What was going on? You know, things are in the initial phases right now, but there is a growing consensus on I think both the right and the left of people who are sick and tired of the Republican party. They're sick and tired of the Democrat party. They want us out of these foolish wars that we're just sitting here talking about right now. Most Americans have no idea what we're talking about. They don't know about Gaza. They don't know about the streets and for moves. They just know that billions of their taxpayer dollars, their blood, their treasures, their sons, their daughters continue to get sent overseas. Our best and brightest get killed. Our taxpayer dollars can spend over there. Well, things continue to decay here in America. And so what we're trying to do is just build a coalition of people who say we're finally going to put first. We're not going to focus on the next four and more. We're not going to listen to four and mobbies like, like the Israelis. We're going to focus on the issues that matter here to the American people. And those of us that were there at the table, myself, Tucker Thomas Massey, Marjorie Taylor Green. I understand there's others as well. We are, I think, people who are initially a part of that movement. They're probably a Trump Republican party, but we still feel that we. You were frozen in mid. Right, they were, so you were frozen right at the end there. Just to be clear, though, before we close things, could this involve establishing a new party? Look, it certainly could. I mean, if you talk to most Americans out there, and they're sick of the Republican party, they're sick of the Democrat party. They do want something that actually represents their interests. And again, we don't want any more foreign wars. We don't want any foreign lobbying in our government, and we want leadership in America that's going to put the needs in. Okay, here here. Having a few little tech issues with you, Joe, at the end there, but we got the message loud and clear. I want to thank you. Oh, you're back. Joe, we just, you were freezing a little bit at the end, but we got the message. We got the answer. Thank you all, gentlemen, for an extremely interesting debate. I really appreciate it. Thanks, yes. Thank you, Pierce. The rebellion grows. Thank you. The images of 60,000 male migrants rushing into Sauta are shocking and terrifying, no matter what your political views may be. But it's impossible to see. separate politics from the fallout which has followed. Spain says almost all of the men have now been sent back across the small border its exclave shares with Morocco. The Trump administration, however, is determined to make an example of a left-wing Spanish government that it does not support. Vice President J.D. Vance said, quote, "The images out of Spain are an unfortunate reminder of radical left-wing globalist policies." Well, the president himself called it an invasion and vowed to make suitor a talking point in the mid-term elections. We're not in office. Our country will be invaded at levels that made Spain look small-time. And when I watch it, I said, boy, I said, I'm going to say it because I knew you're going to be a campaign, but they say that's going to be a talking point for the big terms. Because when you look at what happened to Spain, they don't know what to do. And it's happening again today. They're coming in by about 10,000 to just invading the country. Now to be clear, Saúter is on the North African coast. It's a Spanish territory. It has been for almost 500 years. But migrants have to claim asylum or they're sent back. Very few make it onto the mainland, but it doesn't stop them trying. Similar smaller crushes happen every couple of years. And critics of Spain's liberal government say a recent amnesty for illegal immigrants drove this extraordinary crush. This part, Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez, has condemned fake news, prejudice, and ignorance, what is official, say, in flux of his scale, required organization. And that's where the US and Israel have been drawn into this. The gleeful commentary from some Israeli and US officials couple with the complex bromance between their countries and the Moroccan king have led many to accuse them of a plot. And it's not just conspiracy theorists. The Moroccan king has just named a major road after Trump. The Donald J. Trump highway stretches into Western Sahara, a massive disputed territory, which the US says belongs to Morocco. Responding to comments by Israel's UN ambassador Danny Danon, the Spanish transport minister said, "Well, it all seems to be becoming quite clear. "Micah can be. "Is the US ambassador to Israel?" And he rejoins me now on uncensored. "Micah can be welcome back to uncensored." Well, thank you, Pierce. It's a pleasure to be on, and thanks for having me back. So I want to start with a quote from the Spanish actor, Havier Bardem, a big Hollywood star. He reshared social media post-blaming Israel for what happened in Saúter, saying, "We don't know who engineered this crisis, "but we know who benefits from a weakened destabilized Spain, "colon Israel, and the Western far right "eager to turn migration into a weapon against Muslims." What is your response to that? Because he reflects a lot of the theories being put out. Somehow, the Israelis are behind all this. It suits them and the Americans to stir things up with the migrants so that it puts pressure on the Spanish prime minister, and it exposes the European migrant problem for what it is. It sounds like Havier needs to stick to reading a script that someone else wrote. He's not very good at coming up with his own ideas. That's ridiculous. To say that somehow this is a US-Israel conspiracy, and that's why all those young men flooded to the coast, it's nonsense. I mean, I don't know what's next. Israel and the US are going to be accused of the joint kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby back in the 20s, maybe the downing of the Hindenburg. Everything that seems to happen on Earth, somebody has this nutty idea that it must be Israel and or the United States who would be behind it. Why don't you just accept the fact that there were these people who were wanting to get to that part of Spain? They were deported, but I guess I would wonder since the Spanish have been so very critical of the policies, let's say, of Israel, of not creating a second state for Palestinians, why didn't they create a state for those people that wanted to immigrate to their country? Who do you think was behind it? It certainly seemed to have been very well orchestrated and planned. What would your best theory be as to who and why? Honestly, Pierce, I wouldn't have a theory because I think it's really ridiculous for me, or frankly, anyone else, who doesn't have any facts about why they came to just suddenly invent something. I think that's what's wrong in the world today. We have so many people coming up with these wild theories. And most of them don't hold enough water to put an ephemeral. And this is a great example where people don't recognize. The US and Israel both have plenty on their plates right now. Neither country needs to be inventing some ridiculous conspiracy theory, or more importantly, actually orchestrating the moving of almost 50,000 people from one place to the other. I mean, that's a pretty big logistical challenge. And for somebody to just come up out of the clear blue sky, yeah, that looks like what Israel and the US is doing, really, they need to get a better kind of argument because that one simply falls apart. Danny Denon said Spain, which never misses an opportunity to lecture Israel, has declared a steady emergency in, say, to follow the crisis over its immigration policy. Maybe before it continues lecturing us, it's time it explained to the world why it still maintained colonial enclaves in Africa. Would you agree with that sentiment? I actually would. I know Ambassador Denon have known him for over 20 years. I thought it was a pretty good observation. All of this talk about that is Rayleigh's are creating a colonized area. What is Spain doing? How come there is this particular piece of property? I think those are valid questions. I'm glad the Ambassador raised them. Let's just turn, if I may, to several other issues, which are probably more in your wheelhouse. One is the deal that's been announced with Hamas. I interviewed earlier the official spokesman for Hamas, who seemed to be going along with the idea this was a deal that could potentially work, whilst at the same time persisting in saying, for example, that on October the 7th, nobody from Hamas committed any crime or deliberately targeted any civilians. And if anyone did, it was a mistake, not a plan, which obviously were of Horrent blood libels that he was spewing. And it made me think of, I listen to this guy, he was the one who after October the 7th went on camera and said, we're going to do this again and again and again, and so they were wedded to the annihilation and destruction of Israel. Can Israel do any deal with Hamas? Is there any point that you could actually trust Hamas, which many view to be a terrorist organization, to be any kind of body that you could do a deal with? Well, first of all, they are a terrorist organization. They've been designated that way. The United States certainly has designated them that, so is Israel. And I think most civilized countries in the world would. The reason we know that Hamas did what they did on October 7th, because they were proud of it. They were so proud, in fact, that they strapped GoPro cameras to their heads, and they videotaped themselves raping, slaughtering, beheading, butchering, massacring, women, children, and elderly people. That's how we know they did it, and they boasted about it. They boasted about it online. They boasted about it in phone calls. They boasted about it on the videotape that they shot. They boasted about it as they took the naked bodies of young women who had been kidnapped from the Nova Music Festival and paraded them down the streets of Gaza, beating their dead bodies. So, you know, this guy has zero credibility. And I think that it's very important to understand that if there's any way in which Hamas wants to make a deal, the first thing they have to do is what they said they were going to do last October. And that's they're going to disarm and demilitarize. They haven't done it yet. So, when they do, then we can take them a little more seriously. I hope they do. It would be a wonderful gift to the world. If Hamas did not have weapons because if they have them, they're just nutty enough to want to use them to slaughter people, particularly civilians and innocent people. They don't need weapons. They need to disappear and go away. If Hamas do keep their word, which I think is highly unlikely, but let's assume for a moment they do, and they do demilitarize, is there a scenario where the United States and Israel would accept Hamas continuing to be a governing body in Gaza, for example? I don't think so. The president has made it very clear. Regardless of what Israel would say, President Trump said repeatedly that Hamas has no future in Gaza. I think they forfeited the future. It would be like asking, would it be okay if the Nazis continued to run Germany after World War II? I can't imagine anyone. I don't care who they are. Who would believe that that had any credibility whatsoever. So Hamas has forfeited any hope that they're going to have a role in governing Gaza. What they should hope far is that they would be given some level of asylum that they could get out of Gaza, disappear, find some place to live anonymously in a asylum. But the idea that they're going to govern Gaza, I don't think the people in Gaza would tolerate it, much less the United States or Israel are hopefully any other civilized country in the world. Let's just pivot quickly to Iran. I spoke to President Trump on Sunday night about this. And he reiterated to me what he was saying publicly that, you know, he was ready, locked and loaded to launch the biggest bombardment of Iran that the world had seen since World War II. Would that have been a smart move if the President had gone on ahead with that kind of strike? You know, the only person who can make that decision is the President. All of us who work for him trust his instincts. If he says it's time to go, we're going to be behind it. If for whatever reason, in having talked to many people in the Gulf countries, and they urged him to give John Lennon would so brilliantly say give peace a chance to give one more round of negotiations and opportunity, and he made that decision. So let's see if it works, let's hope it does. But if it doesn't, I think the President has also made it very clear that there is the military option, it's on the table. And if he takes it, it's not going to be a mile tap. It is going to be overwhelming. This war has not been going the way Donald Trump thought, all the way he was told it would go by the Israelis when they met with him in the White House situation room before it began. It would not be better, politically, economically, putting aside anything else for the United States to extricate itself from this war. Claim a victory, you know, do what Trump does very well, you know, just paper over the cracks and just say, look, we've achieved these aims, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and just get the hat out of this. Well, first of all, I was in the situation room when that discussion was held and I do disagree with any narrative that says that the Israelis talked Donald Trump into it. That simply did not happen, nobody talked him into anything. Pierce, you know President Trump really well, you've known him a long time, you know him better than most people who do interviews on TV. And I think it's pretty fair to say that he is not a man that is easily led around by the nose. The idea that the Israelis came in and sold him something is probably just one of the more preposterous things. It was based on the fact that for over 47 years, Iran has been saying death to America. They've begged pleaded work, strive to build a nuclear weapon, and for what purpose? To first destroy Israel, that's always been their goal, that's the appetizer. But ultimately, they've said this for 47 years. Their goal is to annihilate America. America is the entree. And so a lot of Americans may not have even been around in 1979 when the Ayatollas took power and they frog marched, blind folded embassy employees across the embassy grounds, held them hostage, 51 of them for 444 days. I remember it quite well. And I remember the humiliation that we felt in America. I remember the chanting of death to America, the burning of our flags and the threats that have never ceased nor have they ever moderated. I think the president was looking after how can I best protect the American public? The proxies of Iran are already in the Western Hemisphere. Hezbollah alone is in 12 Western Hemisphere countries. The idea that this is some unique Middle East issue, or it's only an Iranian-Israeli issue, is utter nonsense. These people have ambitions, not necessarily to rule the world, but to destroy every part of it that does not agree with their radical sheer velocity. The problem, it seems to me with this war, is that the Iranians have worked out that if you control a straight of whole moose and you terrorize your Gulf state neighbors by firing off rockets and missiles at them, thereby destabilizing their business models based around come here, it's sunny, it's safe, it's exciting and so on, that by working that out in this kind of asymmetric war they've been waging. That has, in many people's eyes, emboldened the Iranian regime rather than dismantled them. I think one of the problems, Pierce, is that the Iranians don't think rationally. They don't think in a way that Westerners think any attempt to Americanize their worldview are the way that they will approach an issue is fatal on its face. They don't look at life like we look at life, like most of Western countries look at life. They look at it completely differently. For them, whether this takes 10 years or 1,000 years, their goals don't change. Their methods might get more sophisticated, but I think the president's doing something that is the right way to look at it. First of all, he's prepared to bomb them, but he's also focused on bankrupting them because he knows that if they don't have money, if their economy collapses, if the people get fed up with watching this government, this Iranian regime, brutalize its own people, murdering tens of thousands of them for simply protesting, and then making life miserable for the rest of them. There may come the moment at which the people of Iran say that's enough, and they're the ones who, if anyone, will take down the regime and give the Persian Empire, the Persian culture, the Persian people, an opportunity to once again live free and thrive, as they once did quite nobly. Final question for you, Ambassador Huckabee, and I really appreciate you coming on the programming end. Israel's global popularity has been plummeting in the last two years in particular, and notably in the United States, where now nearly two-thirds of Americans have a negative view of Israel, where half the country thinks Netanyahu should be arrested when he comes to the United States. As somebody who is based in Israel, who knows the Israeli people very well, this is going to be a concern, as again, my interview with the Hamas spokesman, one of the things he said is that if you want to categorize what they did in October of the 7th, I view it as a despicable terror attack, he obviously views it as something else, but however you view it, I questioned that the strategy had obviously failed, and he counted by saying, but look how unpopular Israel now is, suggesting that they had in some way provoked an overreaction from Israel, as many people see it, which has made Israel increasingly a global pariah. Does that concern you? Of course it does, because it's unfair, it's unfounded. It concerns me a great deal, because obviously there's an enormous propaganda campaign that is aimed against Israel and against the Jewish people. And I think that's really disturbing to me, because the entirety of the number of Jews on the entire face of the earth is 16 million, half of whom live in Israel. The other half mostly live in the U.S., mostly in New York, maybe Miami, but the idea that a very small minority of 0.05% of the population of the world is somehow the biggest threat to the world. On its face, Pierce, that's crazy. I mean, that is the kind of thing that you just scratch your head and say, really, but they are up against a multi-billion dollar propaganda campaign, and a lot of money being spent in the United States on university campuses, on social media, the bots are everywhere, painting a picture of the Jewish people as a whole, and the Israelis specifically, that is simply absolutely unfounded. And I say that as somebody who's been coming to this country for 53 years since 1973, who lives here now as the U.S. ambassador, and who interacts with the Israelis every single day of my life. And it is appalling to me, the reputation that has been thrust upon them, and it is ridiculously and horribly unfounded. I just want the truth to be told, Israelis aren't perfect, Jewish people aren't perfect, none of us are, but the blood libels that are thrown upon them should be really something that every civilized, every thoughtful, every intellectually capable person, every knowledgeable person would say, say what you want about the Israelis, about the Jewish people, but these things that are being said, they're just not true, and they're demonstrably untrue. Ambassador Huckabee, I really appreciate you coming back on the census, thank you very much. Thank you, Pierce, always a pleasure. Hope to see you again soon. Well, do you want to be now to discuss the, say, you to crisis, and who is behind it, is V.C. Perez, a EU law-maker and leader of the party, is over, and Miguel Mora, the journalist and director of Revista Contexto, well, welcome to both of you, I'll V.C. Perez, it's a weird story this to watch from where I am currently in Los Angeles, because one moment you had 60,000 people pouring over a border in an apparent invasion, in arguably, and the next minute most of them, 58, 59,000, had been sent right back where they came from, so it all seemed to be over very quickly. What is your overview of what's actually happened here? Well, thank you for inviting me, Pierce, well, as you said, they said everybody went back at their own police, thought they'd be counting the entries, so they don't know, nobody knows, actually they are still thousands of people in the city and Italy. He still has control of Spanish region and over. I think it's just both. And about who's behind all this game. Well, I was there on Friday, so I'm not speaking from a newsroom. And I actually theme a rehearsal itself to Washington and to our friends of Israel as they're all in North Africa, against Iran, against Algeria, against Russia, that's the deal. And because of that deal, Rabat gets everything. As you know, the Sahara, weeple, Satalka's money, am pace for nothing. And then Sanchez goes to Algiers, Hughes, the other side. And only nine days later, as you said, 60,000 people are in the water. And I'm not saying, of course, that America, Israel, other at this got saved me. Rabat did it, but Rabat does it because it knows nobody will punish them. So Spain is not playing this game. Spain is just in the table when they play. OK, Miguel Amora, welcome to Uncensored. What's your response to that? Thank you, please, for the invitation. And, well, I surprisingly agree with Dalvis. This is his comment. In his argument, we are on the opposite political sides. But it's true that I think that Rabat has tolerated it because they knew that Israel and the United States would be fine with that. I think nobody can mobilize 50,000 people, 60,000 people without the permission of the King of Morocco. That's unbelievable. So it's also difficult that Israel or America could have organized it. But everybody tolerated that, for sure. I'm sure the Mossad knew what was going to happen. I'm sure the TIA knew what was going to happen. So nobody told me, nobody told me anything. So that's the idea. I mean, everybody knew nobody told me. But what would be the point of doing it if so quickly the vast majority were sent straight back where they came from? What is the purpose of this? I think it is a message that Morocco sends to Spain. They have done it before. So the first time they do it, whenever there is something they don't like in the Spanish position, they tend to use the duration to pressure or to blackmail Spain. That is tradition already. And there is also an element of a hybrid warfare in the episode. I mean, Israel and America has been very clear in the last months about the Spanish disloyalty with NATO and with Israel. Because we have to remember the Spanish government has been quite the only one in Europe that has denounced the genocide in Palestine in Gaza. And it was one of the first that recognized the Palestinian state. And it is the same thing with Trump. Trump is very upset with that. And he has been threatening Spain with cutting all trades agreements to cutting the tourist visits to the country. I mean, Israel and America have been threatening Spain for a long time now. And it's obviously Morocco. It's now a new ally with Israel and America. They have supported the Sahara plan for the King of Morocco and Spain had to do that as well. But we have to remember that Sunset went to a year or two weeks ago. And he signed a new agreement on the exportations of gas in the importations. So that's another fact that would have triggered the episode. We leave it. I'll be say, Paris, the United States have responded via Donald Trump and JD Vance. Trump called it a catastrophe. It looks like an invasion of a country by hundreds of thousands of people. We know now it was about 60,000. JD Vance, his vice president, wrote on X. These images out of Spain are an unfortunate reminder of the consequences of mass migration and the radical left wing globalist policies that have enabled the invasion of the West. You know, again, there are many people conspiracy theorists or maybe actual theorists. We don't know yet. But there are many people who think this was deliberately orchestrated, not just for some of the reasons Miguel put forward, but also because it is a very helpful tool for those on the political right in Europe to say, well, there you go. This is the problem, right? Mass migration is becoming the big issue in Europe. It's completely uncontrolled. And until people get a grip on this, then we're going to have this kind of chaos. What do you say to that? Well, thank you for the question. You know, I'm a politician, a new one, but I still suffers a lot when death arrives to politics. You know, can this be something I would laugh at? We talk about numbers all night. More than 70 people, some were kids. I saw the picture of their body. They drowned at night because somebody told them the door was shopping, gold, swim. And who did that? Well, I will say the name because now about the Europe states. Mohamed VI, his government. His police look away. His influencers made the videos. Those death are his. And they're also Madrid and Brussels because they know who this man is. And they keep sending money and kissing his hand. So I'm very, very angry with this. And about who's, you know, and they call us conspiracy. Conspiracy theory, you know, it's not a conspiracy. It's not a theory, it's a pattern. Morocco has maybe you know this. A national holiday celebrating the Green March, the day they pushed 350,000 civilians over a border and to-- or Sahara, the Sahara. They brought up this method in 2021. They did it in Delta. And the European Parliament condemned them for using migrants, even children as pressure. And then what happened? And what USA says? Nothing. Zero. And they did it again. Five times bigger. And this week, or what they have to be detected, Moroccan intelligence agents inside the cross. And gender means moving people in tracks. 60,000 people in two days, Pierce. That's not weather. That's a tap. And the tap is seen in the real palace of Morocco. Miguel, obviously, went down to the area. Many people think that he was whipping up a sort of inflammatory reaction, making things worse, not better. What do you feel? Would you criticize him for doing that? Well, I went to sit up for a legal rally. Al Thrive, I'm a map, as you know. I finished with the police's court and bought us flying over my head, and the move was shooting literally. Selta is Muslim. And that's not true. That's not religion, by the way. That's Rabat Slogan for our territory to put, you know, religion in the discussion. The police have identified the leaders of that move and are radicalized people of Moroccan origin. Individuals with names. I'm not talking about the community. I'm not that populist. I'm talking about the specific men, the police, identified. And you know what happened after? A minister of my government says that I was the one spreading hate. Me, 60,000 people cross his border. They threw bottles at a member of the Prion Parliament as me. And his problem is my megaphone. I think the arson is finished. Fending the smoke detector, as you said, in England. Miguel, what did you think of what Alves said? I think the community threw him back to the peninsula. And the people didn't want him there because they had enough with what they had. In those days, it hasn't been only Alves here. Some other commentators and agitators from the far right have gone to Selta these days. And they have also been sent back. So we probably have to think about Selta about one of the European cities where the life between Muslims, Christians, Jews, and all kinds of religious traditions is better in these days. I mean, we have to see Selta like that, like an example of how it's colliding between religions. So trying to be Islamophobic or to find here the element of religion is always very dangerous. And it leads to things like we are going to make a supremacist end of supremacist speech. Things will end like they are in Gaza now or in Lebanon. And I think that's the way. And about your previous question appears about Europe. I think it's very relevant how-- Melanie, the Prime Minister of Italy, rushed to condemn the invasion and to condemn Petro Santos for not avoiding it. We have to say that the data are just the opposite. Spain is receiving less people from the borders that Italy, like half of it, and that the deportations are bigger in Spain than in Italy. And another thing that nobody is saying, which is true, is that Italy is regularizing migrants under the table, and as much migrants as Spain has, is regularizing now. So both countries are doing the same thing. The only problem with Melanie is the new far-right party, even up in Italy, and she's very bad in the polls, so she has to do that speech. By the way, the only thing, the only victim apart, the 90 people who have been there in the border in Seltar, in this episode, I think it's the European Union, and I think this is very sad that the European Union has divided, it was clear that solidarity was the only way to resolve the battle. Okay, I'll give you a very quick chance to respond. We're almost out of time, but very quickly, what's your response? Yeah, not only I heard migrants directly call me and people that they in Seltar, Islam always are far-right, you know, he directs a magazine called Context, but here's the Context Miguel, 2021 European Parliament, 397 votes, Morocco-Condent for using migrants, including children, has political pressure. The socialist vote just too, where they all for right, look at some point for right, just means the people who notice, so you can't publish that, Miguel, free. Okay, gentlemen, I'm going to leave it there. I appreciate you both joining me, thank you very much indeed. [BLANK_AUDIO]