You Could Raid a Stranger's Bedroom on Television w/ Miles Kahn

Every team, every topic, everywhere. This is believed. [Music] Hello everyone, welcome back. This is Mohan Adir Chiechi. And this is Hannah Wright. And this is you could do that on television. The podcast where we talk about all the absolutely insane shows of the early 2000s that you could definitely never make today. And today we're going to be talking about Room Raiders, an MTV show from 2003. Room Raiders. And we have a very special guest today with us, our podcast first guest, FBA, the hookrater of Room Raiders himself, Miles Conn, Hey Miles. Hey, hi, how are you? Come on in. Miles, just so you know, so Miles is over Zoom or Zoom-like product right now. And we have you in the nice chair. Maybe you can see it. I don't know if you can appreciate that. You are in a very fancy chair right now. The laptop holding Miles. Well, I'm sitting. What I like is that what your viewers don't know is it's a very low angle. And I'm in a very low seat to reach my own microphone at home. So it looks like you're berating me from afar. Oh yeah. That's what we have to do. This is the one to show it for creating room Raiders. That's the one we want to create. Yeah. It's good. I feel very intimidated. It's perfect. Yeah, to make sure of the angles. Oh, I did. I did. It's great. So yeah, thanks for being with us, Miles. It is my pleasure. Yeah. Room Raiders. Yeah, Room Raiders. So me and Mahanid, just so everyone knows, used to work together at Full Frontal with Samantha B. And Miles was the executive producer of that show. And while we worked with him, we found out he also created the show Room Raiders in 2003, which is such an insane flex. It was, it's funny because when people are like, oh, what, tell me about your career. And I'm like, oh, I did the Dallas show in Full Frontal. And I want to pee body for this thing. I would deal with it. And then I'm like, oh, yeah. And then like way back in like the 2000s, I created Room Raiders. And that's all anyone really cares to talk about. So yeah, really to that too. I feel like anytime I mention to someone that I worked at Teen Mom, it's all they want to talk about. I mean, why do you think that is? Why are, why are people so enamored with these arguably bad shows? And I know you love them. You love to love them, but they're not. No, I love these shows. And also like, you got to know that I watched that show when I lived in Libya. So it's not even here. It was big there. Right. They are international. Yeah. You're taking Libya? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like all my friends watched it, like all the more aware. I think they're going to be so excited about this episode. That's amazing. That's incredible. I really like that. That brings me joy. So you co-created Room Raiders when you were 25 years old. Is that right? I started I think around 2425. It was my first. Yeah, I was pretty young for that kind of responsibility. That's insane. But don't worry. They took advantage of my youth. I didn't try to keep. Oh, thank you. As the co-creator or give me any money, which I should have probably asked for at the time. I was I came out of film school and I was working kind of working working really up as a. As like a producer. So it's like. I'm coordinated on commercials and then I was doing like short films. And I was like, uh, because that's what I aspired to do as a director. I found a listing like randomly on this site called Mandy. Calm, which was like a film and TV staffing site. And they're like looking for a director for new show in development. I was like, I think that was like there was no details. I didn't know what it was. It was like, sure. Someone wants to pay me to direct something. I'll do that. And it was this British company called Grenada, which was a division of ITV, which is a very big British company. And this, this would have been their first, uh, at the time their first American show. There's like their first like try doing something in the States and they, they had pitched a very loose concept in TV and they wanted an American director to, to kind of spearheaded for them because they didn't have any Americans there at the time. Um, and I remember seeing my name on the interview list. And there was like a typed list of like 12 or 13 names and then scribbled on the bottom of that list was just my first name, which is Miles. So I don't, I don't know what those other people did to not get the job or what I did to get it, but I was clearly the last choice. I think maybe if they turned the job down and I also never seen a list of other people interviewing for a job that's so scary. It was on the guy's desk. Maybe it's like an intimidation text. Ooh, exactly. It's like all fake names. Yeah, maybe they wanted you, but they were like, we want you to know your play. It's gonna be, you know, we don't want you to have an ego. Right. So that you take it for no money. Seems really passive aggressive for British people, but maybe I don't know. I don't know. I never know. Yeah. Wow. So for, for people who haven't, haven't seen the show who are listening to us now. What would you, what do you mind this, Tremendus? What is the premise of the show? The premise of the show, we called it a dating show and ironically we never really showed a date. Yeah. It was like, yeah, it was kind of crazy. It's like the first dating show where we didn't have to pay for the date. I wish I could, I can't pitch it anymore. I didn't really have to. I didn't sell it. But it was about, it was like you would choose a mate or someone to go out on a date within the future, not based on what they looked like, but just based on the contents of their room. And the sort of the fun hook of the show was we would literally kidnap teenagers and young people, throw them into a cargo van, and then drop off a perspective data in their rooms while they watched on camera. And tear apart their rooms and find all of their own mentionables and take a black light and see all of their terrible scenes. And then you would find your soulmate really. And yeah, it comes to every really good. Oh my god. Really? It sold the show. It comes to really, because I did, I did three pilots. So I like, you can be for the show, go there. I worked on it for about a little over a year to get it off the ground. And that was all, that was like, if one thing was like this will remain in the final, it was the black light. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's the most iconic part of the show for sure. But we couldn't get a powerful enough, like we would always show like this little portable, like handheld black light thing, which you'd get like a spy store. And it was like, you know, $15. There's no way that would show what we needed to show. So anytime we do the black light scene, literally someone would take out this huge like like six foot, keynote flow type of ball, this giant thing, it hold it behind the guy. Like you couldn't do what we, of course, basically, say, real TV spake guys. What you're saying, that there was a real bigger black light behind the fake little handheld black light industrial strength gigantic, like three different ball. Yeah, it was, it was enormous. That's fascinating. If I was, if I was a teen and I was being told that I would be horrible. We're gonna see every thing. Exactly. But okay, correct me if I'm wrong with a black light, like it would show every stain not just comes. Like they assumed every stain was a come state, but I'm like, what if you like to rule a little bit on your bed every now and then with those show up. Yeah, I, yeah, it seems. Yeah, don't ever take a black light to your room. It is full of it just looks, it looks probably worse than it is. Or maybe it is that bad and you just don't need to see it. Right. Exactly. Oh my gosh. Yeah, now since you mentioned that you never see the dates, I'm kind of realizing that that was sort of at a time and maybe it started that period of MTV shows where that was the case. Like we talked about next a couple weeks ago, you never see the actual like second date that is like the whole goal of the show and like date my mom and all those shows. It's all about picking someone to go on a date with, but we don't ever see. I'd like to take credit for that. Yeah, maybe we should next came right after our show that was like the guy he developed our show also that was like his next big thing. Yeah, that was 2005. Do you think that any couples from room readers actually ended up together? I know I remember falling up on one or two and like they were like hookups, but I don't think there was like it long term. No, man. If you know if you're interested in this episode, then you're still with the person that you found through room readers, please reach out to us. We would like to talk to you. That would be amazing. We'd like to hear about the divorce that happened to us. That's together. So what was it like being at MTV at that time? What was the culture like and like what was like being like a young person with so much like power at the show and what other shows were sort of like being about that? Yeah, I was insulated from MTV. I worked like Grenada the British company. They had an office of their own. So I would go to 15 15. I would go there for some meetings, but for the most part I was left alone. I would I would just get like notes from various different people throughout the entire process. Like I didn't have to do I they would come to set for the you know for for the pilot episodes and whatever, but I didn't have to deal with them too much. The culture was still like seeped through. I still got what they were looking for, which was a complete control and confusion and the development process. I and I sent you some of the notes that went back and forth, which my self. And I was like remembering. might I was such a little shit. Okay, not all that, but I was like, I didn't know that I couldn't be like, guys, you can't just send me like contradictory notes. I'm like, you'll have to get on the same page. I'm like, I'm sure that was your first experience with network notes, right? I had never had network notes before. And so I was just being really like shit, not shitty, but just, I mean, I was calling out their bullshit of just like guys, they told me, a, this guy told me, be you're going to have to decide, A or B, or someone fucking pony up, I was being really, can I curse on your podcast? No, children. I was being super country. And I didn't, and I know they kept me around. So I got lucky. I don't know. Maybe I was just cocky and why it's definitely cocky, but I just got lucky that they didn't get sick of me. I was also working for nothing. So why would they get rid of me? Yeah, making no money. Yeah. Oh, man. So when it comes to like finding the people to participate in the show, how do you usually go about that? We very different from the pilot stage until we got to the casting stage. It was a very difficult process either way, because you had to trick the, like we had to, we had to somehow scout them, find them and then convince them to take us to their homes to do another interview. So there was like an initial like finding the kids, I say kids, some of them are in their 20s, obviously. Well, some of them are like 17. They were sure they were definitely some teenagers. Yes. Yes. So whatever I say kids, we're going to see between 17 and 25. So we would, we literally would go to malls, like in suburbia, in like Jersey and stuff, and just like find like good looking kids. So we look good on TV. Oh, wow. You want to be an initial? And it was at the pilot stage, it was myself, my girlfriend at the time who ended up sort of being like a script supervisor and guy that you guys know, got named Clark Halldwell, who worked with us as well at Full Frontal. And it was just three of us. He was the shooter. I was the director and my girlfriend was the script. And we literally would just troll the malls. You're just going up to hot teens. Like, you know, hot tears. It makes so much sense. We know though that you're 25. I was just like, yeah. What is your room? I was going to people, like the same age as me, and asking them what they want to be on the TV show at the time, which was still super weird and really, really hard to do. And then we would have to, we would have to be like, we want to do another and then we couldn't tell what the show was. I would say and the pilot was more fun in a way because they would, they couldn't have had any suspicion about what the show was. Later seasons that kids started to catch on. But at the time, we're like, we can't tell what it is. Bubble ball. It's going to be a sort of a surprise on the day, but it's going to be a lot of fun. But we want to do another interview at your home. The interview at the home was just like, it was a ruse. It was literally just a way to get inside their house and their bedroom and see what's in there. So they didn't even know that the show had to do with rooms at all. Nope. Okay. They just are like MTV dating show. You'll find out. MTV dating show. You'll find out. Wow. So cool. Yeah. Have you told them nothing? And they never been to like a potential home and you saw the room or their home or something and you were like, absolutely not. Yeah. Well, we had that on an actual show in the first or second season. I guess we had had a casting agency at that point. And so they started doing this. Maybe they didn't capture the essence of where this person lived, but this person lived in a tough neighborhood and it wasn't a very nice place. And it was just sort of like, fuck, like we can't, like it wasn't like TV friendly. It was a little sad to be frank. Like it wasn't like, hey, we're going to show up my cool place. It was like, this is this is with the working class family. And they're like, kind of a lot of people living there. And how do we set like, and we're, okay, we got to shoot it. We have to shoot this thing. We have to make sense of it. We have to be positive about it. And luckily we had this, we had an awesome girl who like saw it like took to the challenge. Like, hey, I told her like, this is not like some rich suburban kids house. We're going to find really cool shit in here. And you're going to challenge. She's like, yep, let's do it. So like we kind of like shot around like I didn't, we just didn't realize where we were that it was, you know, this is a tough neighborhood. Yeah. This is a weird, this is a weird situation. But we would roll with stuff no matter what happened. For the, definitely there were kids who we didn't put on the show like who had bad rooms. Right. Right. Was it like the rooms were just boring and empty or was it like here's some mostly that. Yeah. Now the weird shots, that was what we want. That's what we want. Yeah. For like, yeah, to a degree. I mean, we had, so we always would have to do like, we would have to do like a pre scout like on the day when we pulled them out of their, their how their room. We'd throw them in the van and then myself and the script soup would go and we would literally do like, we would do the first pass of the room ourselves just to see what the fuck was in there. And then we'd have to go back to the person and be like, okay, so we found your cocaine. We found your dildo on your black, what can we, the drugs we couldn't show. So we'd be like, here, take your cocaine. Then like, do you want, do you want us to show your dildo? Do you want us to show? Oh, whatever. So like stuff that we could show that wasn't illegal, we would ask permission for super sensitive shit. Oh, interesting. I feel like everyone just had condoms and porn that got. Yeah, condoms, porn. Yeah. So everyone was like proud of that. Yeah. I'll be funny. I feel like depending on the city that you're in, you'd be like, yeah, you can show my gun. That's fine. Oh, we found a gun and we're like, sir, can you please? And it was like, sir, at that point, like, sir, you need to take your gun. Where can we put your guns? You can't show gun on TV, I guess. No, I never, I never asked, but I just kind of assumed this as a gun. I'm also like imagining like the person finding the gun. And just being like, oh, and you have a gun at my dad loves guns. So I guess we can like, or some like, yeah, wordplay about it's like, we got a big gun. I wonder what else you got. That would be. Yeah. That's, you'd be really good at producing reality TV. Thank you. Was the first season, like mostly just shot around New York, like in New Jersey? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mostly, it was mostly, I think it was all Jersey at that point. Okay. The first and second season was mostly Jersey. And then there were many iterations and spinoffs of the show over the years everywhere. Much to my chagrin. Yeah. I was kind of amazed. It is and correct me if I'm wrong. You guys are the expert in this. But at least the last I recall that was the longest running strip show in MTV history. I don't know if that's still true. But at the time, it was the longest right because it ran over eight seasons as a strip show, not not a regular. It does, it did run here over eight season. And also, yeah, I saw that there was in 2010 as like a version of readers to play the way. Yeah. Oh, oh, my gosh. Yeah. That's amazing. I don't know what that was. I just love that someone Lithuania saw it and I was like, we need to bring this here. Didn't you say there was one for next to Lithuania? Yeah. So they are just, yeah. Lithuania. Lithuania. With MTV shows. Absolutely. Wow. They're like, we need this shit here. That's so we need to watch all these Lithuania. We need to Lithuania episode of the podcast. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, so tell us about the kidnapping process because that is so fascinating to me. I guess like I was always very scared about being kidnapped to be on room readers as a kid watching it, even though obviously had not signed up for it. But we just show up randomly. It seems like you might never know because they do seem truly caught off guard and scared. But so they didn't know they're being put on room readers. So did they really think they were, they were like, what the hell's happening? Or did you kind of give them a heads up to be home that day? Or like how real and how scary was that process? I mean, certainly for the pilot episode. And all of the first season and most of the second season, I would say they no one really knew. We were pretty good at subterfuge. And we would just tell them, like, hey, we're going to pick you up at 9am. So just be ready to go like promptly at 9. And then we'd show up at 815. That was kind of, that was our trick. It was show up like 45 minutes early and grabbed them and surprised them and like take, you know, hopefully they're in their boxers shorts. And you know, they looked at the show and then that's part of the fun. They were we I was a stubborn guy and like, I'm going to do the best version of reality show I can do. So I was like, I didn't I always wanted to make it as real as possible. So I can only speak to the first couple of seasons that know as far as the episodes I did, the kids did not know. I just love that you know what? They should not have sent the military to take Osama Bin Laden. They should have sent you guys. Because you're so good at it. So Osama, we're doing a dating show. Okay. Let's see your room. Kind of freaky. You could use like a 36 wife. Oh my god. Are there any episodes that you remember contestants that you are either your favorite or you're like, this is the worst kid I've ever had to deal with. Oh boy. I it's it's frankly a long time ago and it all kind of lures together. Yeah. I I really I mentioned that girl who was like who rolled who rolled with the punches and was like a good soldier. Like I just she had my admiration. It's just like a really mature kid at the time. I was like, what a good kid. But they were a lot of pieces of shit. We just had a lot of things. Yeah. No, we saw it. Yeah. You know how it is. We were at that age. Oh, absolutely. We were also pieces of shit. That is so funny. Yeah, so the dates. So you said that you never showed the date, but you think has any date gone well enough that you guys spend the night or was that never a thing? - I hell no. Another thing I'd sent Hannah, which I'm sure you saw as well was the schedule. - Yes. - That we shot. So for your listeners, we would probably start the day around 7 or 8 a.m. and we'd probably finish around 10 or 11 p.m. So far, staying any longer than we need to. - Yeah. - We would fake a date. We would fake them walking. We would get like a chunk of them walking together, chanting or whatever and smiling or maybe holding hands or whatever. And like, all right, see you guys. - Yeah, on your hands. - You guys want to exchange numbers? That's on you. Yeah, I was like, we're going home, fucking tired. - One thing that was so fascinating to me about the schedule that you sent us was, I guess, and this is like a dull moment, but I never realized that they weren't watching the rating happen in real time from the back of the van, because obviously, you have to shoot it. (laughing) - The technology didn't exist. And this was why the days were brutally long and why we had to script supervisor on set during a reality show, which probably doesn't have a real- - So how did that work? Did they, where did they go while their rooms were being rated? And then, how did you show them the footage so quickly? - It was a maddening process. And it was really just like as fast as we can. So they're running through the room and we're double covering everything. So we're shooting them, do it, and then we're shooting POV of them, do it. So we have to do note, I was doing like extreme notes, we're both doing notes, me and my script soup, and the talent are in the room with the DPA. So there's basically four of us. Or the script soup would be outside watching on a little monitor as well. We would be taking furious notes at everything that was fun, noting the timecode when it happened. When we got the tape, we showed them the next day, by the way. I don't know if that was clear as well. We did all of the rating day one, day two of the shoot, we faked, and date, 'cause we just couldn't do it all. You can't travel the three locations and do a full shoot in three different houses and then do more. - Right. - So we would do a day two, and day two was back in the van, we're gonna shoot all day in the van with the kids. And you just parked the van in a parking lot wherever and just shoot it basically. - Wow, we get all these trucks. - Like, parking for karaoke, it's all fake. No one's really driving in the van. - No one's driving. - No one's driving. And yeah, and then so we had like a night and a morning to figure out what are we gonna show these kids. And we're literally, it was on tape, wasn't digital. There are a little mini DB tapes. And so we would be fast-forwarding to the different timecodes that we had written down the day before, just to get the reaction. So we'd go through the boring shit and then sink it up somehow. It was a messy-- - It's fast forwarding like the HS to show them. - Effectively, yeah. - It was a long shitty process and which is why we made sure to always have beer in the van for the kids. - Oh, that's nice. And then they choose the date after that, on the second day. - That day they would choose the date. - Okay. - We'd be back to the guy or the girl, yeah. - And were there ever because in the pitch stuff you sent me, which was so interesting, you and the network were sort of going back and forth about like documentary integrity of it all, which I thought is so interesting. Like, what if none of the people actually like the guy, like would you encourage them or were you more in the camp of like, then that's what the episode is, if like there's not a real date that is-- - I was more in the latter, but look MTV also was just like, I mean, they were right. I was stubborn and like, trendy purists, but they were right. Like, no, you just have to fucking talk on what to do and talk on what to say. And I never told the interview those kids, I never fed them a single line and I'm really proud of that, but they also took longer and it was harder for them to feed them lines. Is a staple of reality TV now. I don't know why I was so stubborn, but I always thought my episodes were the best, blah, blah, blah. But yeah, MTV was very just like, no, just have them pick this guy, have them pick that guy. And we'd always shoot alternates, like we'd always shoot like, what if you pick, and I would talk to the person, if she didn't like anyone, I would just tell them, like, just pick this guy on camera. Like we would just tell them, like, you don't have to go on a date with them. You're not going on a date with them. Like, you don't have, you don't legally have to date them. You don't legally have to. So yeah, there was definitely moments where people like, I don't eat any of these fucking guys. And we're like, pick this guy because no one will expect it. It'll be good episodes. Right, right. Oh yeah, and there were like casting archetypes, right? There was like the obvious choice, the comic relief, this was also in the pitch stock. Comic relief and wild card. How like, did you guys stick to that? Usually. No. That was, that was from the original pitch. Because I never noticed that. I get five. Because you don't know what you're getting when you sit in a Jersey mall and ask a bunch of kids at the time of the camera. You don't really, like, so I don't know. We were just happy to have like, just fresh bodies around. She was like, here go. Sitting as van for an entire day. I know. Some episodes of just like every kid is a wild card. Oh yeah. And that makes for a good episode. Yeah. They also got good, like I think as reality TV took off and we were kind of at the start of the beginning of this wave, like kids knew to perform. They knew that if they wanted it to be fun and talked about, like they could act out a little bit more. And I think kids started to figure that out as we got into the later seasons. So all of reality TV became that, became like, you want this thing to work? You have to perform. Right. You have to actually do something fun. It is, it's just always wild watching a show that was pre social media, pre Instagram. Because it's, it does seem like it's a different type of person who's not clearly just there to become an influencer. Yeah. I can't imagine, I can't imagine this kid sitting in a van the whole day without it. Like they didn't have a phone. They just sat and just like, oh my god. That's right. Yeah. Just drank the air. There was no, just not the drink here and watched video that we cut up for them. Oh my god. That's so funny. Yeah. I don't think I could make it like that. Yeah. Were there any other reality TV shows that you've also worked on? Yeah, what did you do post-room madeers pre daily show? Yeah, I can't remember exactly what my other show was. I did, I did a show called, oh god. It was a precursor to the Kardashians. And now I'm forgetting, oh, Gaston O'Gerloss. Oh, yeah. You ever watched Gaston O'Gerloss? I remember that. I remember that. And the season of Gaston O'Gerloss. And that was, so that's an example to me. And I don't want to badmouth the girls, they're, they're very nice people. But I don't, I think they thought that their job was just the girls. I like, they didn't like what the Kardashians got. I was talking to someone about this. That I went, what they understand is like, this is a job. You show up and you do your job. You show up in the form. We're performers. We're putting on a show. And Lisa and Brittany, the Gaston O'Gerloss, the mom and daughter team, they just thought, oh, you just follow us around with the camera. And I'm like, no, that's why the show ultimately no one gave a shit about it because they didn't want to show up to work. They were just like, they would literally like tell us the wrong place to be so we wouldn't be there. Oh my gosh. You don't get it. Like, this is your, you're being paid. Like a lot of money to show up for us to film you. So that was kind of a weird experience. And then I was on camera for that because I quit on camera and I went off and then it was really, it was really tense. Yeah. That's amazing. We need to find that. Yeah. I do have that somewhere. I have that. Send it to us. Why do you quit because they were difficult? We were, we were on location, we were on location in Miami and Lisa, the mom was, they, okay, I remember, she was dating a guy who I think was still with somebody at the time. So like, they couldn't be on camera. He couldn't be on camera. I'm like, why the fuck are we here? It's like we spent all this money to shoot you in Miami and we had a private jet and blah, blah, blah. And all this shit. And she was like, well, you can't shoot us. I didn't know you can't shoot us. Yeah, I'm like, well, what? So it got, it just like we came to a head and like me and my, and the serious producer and like my friend, we all started just getting on camera fighting like that in episode. That sounds really good. That's breaking the fourth wall. Yeah. Wow. Sounds like they, I'm not excited about that. We thought it would like stick and then we're like, now it's stupid, no one cares about us. No, Teen Mom did that too. When I was on Teen Mom, it was like a whole thing where in the reboot that I worked on, the difference was that they would break the fourth wall and they would have to produce it to be characters because the girls at that point didn't really have any other like real friends. Yeah. You just, you scared me. I didn't realize that you worked on Teen Mom and you just said what I was on Teen Mom and I said, oh, that I was a Teen Mom. No, you got a kid. Yes. I thought that. You didn't know that I was my heart just. I said, I'm on Teen Mom. We never talked about it. (laughing) That's so interesting. What for you? Wow. No, I was an associate producer. So my job was basically to just call restaurants and beg them to let us film there. And I had to, I also was like, it's just an MTV documentary style show about girls' lives, not tell them the name of the show 'cause no one wanted to let us film there. But yeah, the producers would like fight the girls on camera too. And 'cause they would refuse to film, 'cause they'd been on the show for like 10 years or something at that point. So they had, yeah, they were like, did you ever get on camera fighting them? I was, no, I was only in the background of shots just like taking B-roll notes. (laughing) Not important enough to fight with anyone. (laughing) Oh man, good times though. So I saw it from Room Raiders. Does it look like any MTV show that you can think of that you would like, either wish I came up with this or I would have enjoyed working with you. looking for the show. - I mean, I certainly would have loved to spend the day on the set of Jackass. I mean, that just looks like a fascinating of people to hang out with and to be in danger with, I guess. I didn't like reality TV. I'd never wanted to do reality TV. I took the gig because if someone was paying me to direct, like I had the direct title. And so when I took the job, it was just like, well, let's learn from this. How would I do a reality show? How would I shoot this? Let's just try to fill up the toolkit and figure some new shit out. So I can't say it was a huge fan. I ended up pitching them another show, a documentary style show, which they approve. We were gonna do it. And then I got the Daily Show gig, and I chose the Daily Show over doing my own show for MTV. - What was the show gonna be? - It was called, I'm not famous. And it was kind of inspired by my time. I did a lot of music videos, and I would always shoot in like cool neighborhoods, but kids who just had never seen like a big film set before would always come running around. And like, you know, they'd be excited, and they'd be big trailers, and big, best of rhymes is there. And Puff Daddy, who was called Puff Daddy at the time, 'cause I'm old. And I was like, wow, these kids, some of these kids don't realize that like, there's a whole industry here that they could work in. Like if they love music, they can work. And like 100 different jobs. If they love basketball, they can work in 100 different jobs. If they love tea, like whatever it is. So I envisioned this show where you would like follow, you would not follow the star or something. You would follow Puff Daddy, for instance. And then you would, but you wouldn't follow him. You'd follow his publicist, and you'd follow, you follow his personal chef, and you'd follow his producer. And you'd see like, oh, there's all these really cool stuff. So it was like my attempt at doing like an educational show on MTV, and they somehow they bought it. - That's really interesting. - It would be a really fun like look at, at like, I don't know, like people just see celebrity, and they think that's older is. - Right. - That they, oh, I'm gonna be a basketball player. I'm gonna be this, I'm gonna be that. I'm like, well, you're 5'7", and you're probably not gonna be a basketball player, but you could be a sports therapist. - Right. - You could be an agent. There's all these other cool fucking jobs you can do. So I wanted to kind of be like this positive. - Yeah, it didn't occur to me that like, TV writer and TV producer were jobs until I watched 30 Rock in college. And I was like, oh, I wanna see that. (laughing) - You know, you should have hit two buzzer once, though, and it just been like, come and follow me as I work for the Daily Show. - Yeah, I feel like, we'll never show you John Stewart, but you can watch me. - So I know I still remember where I was and what I was doing when Puff Daddy announced that he was changing his name to P. Diddy. Or sorry, he went from Puffie, Puff Daddy to Puffie, and then from Puffie to P. Diddy. So the Puffie to P. Diddy changed, I remember where I was as if it was like a life event, like 9/11. - It is a life event. - Yeah, it is a life event. (laughing) It was huge. - Everyone was afraid of that day. - That's not it. (laughing) - It's true. (laughing) - It changed me. - He hasn't changed his name in a while, that guy. Diddy. - He's diddy, he's diddy still. - He's now he's diddy, yeah. Yeah, he's landed on that. - Yeah, I feel like everyone was like, stop. No one cares, stop doing it. It's not gonna be news anymore. (laughing) - Totally. So we watched a couple episodes of Room Meters, ones that were readily available to us on YouTube. And this one, the first one we watched, I believe it was from season one. So you would have conceivably worked on it with Psycho Steve. Did that, did you do that one right about? - I didn't work with Psycho Steve. I don't, I think I know who directed it. Might have been furthest episode. I can't recall who it was, but no, I didn't get to that. - Oh, it was Sarah and I was actually who. I also, that's how I knew you through her. I saw that. - Oh really? - We had the credits on that, yeah. Yeah, Sarah's on that. - Yeah. - She's my, I love Sarah, she's wonderful. - She's great. - But yeah, let's get into the episode. - Yeah, so, I haven't seen it a while, so you have to refresh my memory. - We will, we will. - Well, the first episode we have this, the young lady named Liz from Jersey. And she's looking for a guy who's down to earth, but confident and she studies engineering. - Yeah, she's in college and she describes her hobbies as ATV racing and partying, which I feel like is like the perfect MTV casting archetype. - Yeah, everyone was at ATV. - This is, is this in Jersey? - Yeah, yeah, in Jersey. - I really hit the, hit the rural area of Jersey. - Everyone who lived in Jersey at some point was on Rue de la Prada. (laughing) - And then they, yeah. - I just remember staying close to Jersey City. Where were they ATV? Well, okay, sorry. - Well, actually, it's interesting about where they were because of the three guys, they show them going to all three houses. One of the houses, like feet of snow on the ground, and it's like blizzarding. And then the other two houses, the grass is green in the yard. And like, is this man living in a different time zone? What's happening? - Yeah, it was like, literally like they went into an alt universe. - Yeah. - To fill with him. - I'm sure they didn't fill me like months later. - No. - It's just truly like very different leather. - Yeah. - Maybe they did. Maybe they did. - That would be crazy. - I wouldn't put his past us. - No, I think he just lived in Narnia. That was nice, I'm gonna show you. - This episode was very special because it did not only have a guy named Steve, it had two guys. - Two Steve's, which is why one of them, yeah, had to go by psychosteave. There was a regular Steve and a psychoste. - What made psychosteave? - A psychoste. - I'll tell you, I'll tell you why. He says, I'm gonna call. - Can you call people psycho anymore? We can't. - Oh gosh, that's not. - You couldn't do that. - Probably not. - Can do that until I listen to them. - Not now. - medically skits off running Steve. (laughing) - I hope he's okay now. - I hope he's okay. So he's had my friends call me psychosteave because I'm just a crazy guy, man. I'll do things in public that no one else would. I'll do peel outs, which I guess is like driving around and like making hard turns in the car. - This reminds me of that meme of that lady who was a chips bag on her head. - Oh yeah, she's so crazy. - She's so crazy, I love her. - He's just a crazy guy, man. Psychosteave. (laughing) And then Steve number two. - He's so happy. Sorry, I was just thinking he must be such a big fascin furious fan. Like he must be so excited right now for the new one to come out. - Oh yeah. - He's still psychosteave. - And I love that he said, I want everything from this woman. - And then we turn, I'm gonna give her everything. I'm like, you live with your parents. What are you gonna give her? - Absolutely. (laughing) Two out of the three guys in this episode lived with their parents, I would say in the show from what I remember watching in general, 90% of people on the show lived with their parents. So because they're like, of course they had whether 18, 19 years old, like, was it ever like college dorms or? - Yeah, we did some college episodes where we college dorms, but with the parents, it was hard 'cause we had to get their permission too. - Right. - When we did the, we didn't tell the parents either or we were too late at first. So we could have the kid, then have to go - You didn't tell them at all. (laughing) - I don't, at least I'm at first now. - Yeah, we just like, no, we just could have your kids we're gonna take away and we're gonna go into your house with the camera. - So funny too because it's like, those kids have little to no say about the decoration of those houses and often the rooms really. Like, that's like, yeah, my parents. (laughing) - I know. - To all these. But yeah, so they, Chris lives in a house by himself 'cause I think he's like 25, a little bit more. - Yeah, and he works for the United States Coast Guard. - Yeah, yeah. He's a laid back man, he says. - I know, it's so funny, he must have won, right? - He did win. - Spoiler alert, he does, yeah. - Which is so funny. - I've never, I can't remember the answer. - I'm just trying to know Coast Guard, there's my own set, well, I'm going to go to Coast Guard. - That's two out of nothing compared to the other house. - Yeah, in the second Steve, literally was so obsessed with Superman. - Oh yeah, you would remember this room. - He had like Superman posters everywhere. - At least. - He described himself and said, I am Superman. - Yeah, he seemed a bit, he seemed like the psycho Steve to me. - Exactly. - His entire room, it was like Superman bed spread. Superman posters covering 100% of the walls. Superman T-shirts, all of his clothes in his closet were Superman themed. I would have been terrified to walk into that room. - Nothing gets a lady more hot and bothered than Superman sheets. - And it was a twin bed, of course. - Of course, yeah, exactly. It was such a small bed. And I love that way, they, like the three of them see her for the first time. - Oh yeah. - Steve says, not bad. And then one of the guys says, well, she's beautiful and he's like, not bad. - Not bad. - I'm like, she's gonna see this. - Not bad. - She's not a good, just a bad person. - Oh, like in the camp, yeah. - Yeah. (laughing) - So she goes to psycho Steve's house first and she immediately finds his nude playmates magazine and a toilet paper roll next to his bed, which the guys give him a little bit of shit for. But he says it's for blowing his nose. - Yeah. - And you know what, I believe him. - I believe him too. - Sometimes I do that too. (laughing) - I don't know. - I don't know. - Tissues. I only use that one. - Yeah, it's a scam. It's the same thing. - Except you didn't buy both. - You didn't buy both. - Yeah. - And I mean, like the night, also like she found like men perfume and women perfume in his room. And then she was like, oh, I guess he has a lot of fleas around and he was like, this is my mom's perfume. I just like, this is my mom's perfume. makes it with my perfume because it makes it smell better. Oh my gosh. So then yes, so then Steve number two is the Superman house, Superman room. And that's at his parents house. He also has a lot of bodybuilding posters and bodybuilding magazines and like supplements because he's very into. Was he in good shape? Was he fit? He kind of. He didn't like look like a big bodybuilder buff guy, but pretty take the Coast Guard guy though because the coast guard has to be fit first job. No, that's true. Probably not. Yeah, the coast guy looked stronger. Yeah, because Steve's probably it's probably all like glamour muscles, you know. Exactly. And he also had like dolphins all around the house. Oh, he did have dolphins, yeah. It was so funny. He could like she said a lot of dolphins, dolphins decorations. I like that. And he out loud said, "You know you want me?" It's like those are definitely like his mom's dolphins decorations. But he yeah, he's got a one track mind. So then they go to Chris's house who lives alone, which it is like a tiny and ugly house, but yeah, still. Also his room is so gray. It's a serial killer's room. There's nothing in it. No decorations except for one computer. Yes. Very old computer that she goes on and immediately porn comes up. So I guess you caught him during his 815 AM porn session. Or that's just his background. No, but life is life is lonely on the boat out there. So he's gonna get to carry herself before you get the seas. But this is why he said to the guys, he was like, "My land lores comes in and uses my computer sometimes. You get like this agreement that he can do it. I don't ever use this computer." Yeah. All right. All right. He's holding it for his friend. I think it's once 2003 to find a fast enough computer to have poor. I'm just saying there might be some truth to this. It was the neighborhood computer. It was a neighborhood box. It's porn in his bedroom. Yeah. That's that's what life was like in 2003. Me and my brother fighting over Sims on the basement computer. Chris and his landlord just jerking off together. Yeah. He's like waiting for the picture to like line by line reveal itself. Like a cabaret show. Oh my god. I know. The website was called erotic access and it did look like extremely, extremely 90s, like internet 1.0. Yeah. That was amazing. Very, very soft, very fuzzy pictures. It was just like times you were home and fun with just an image underneath. And then they went to Lizzie's house. Yes. Which was a nice house. Yeah. So they all get to read. Was that is them rating her room on the first day of shooting or does that happen after? Wait, they all rated her room? Yeah. Yeah. Marfrog getting the rules. I think that usually happens that after before she picks the date, the three of them usually get to go look around in her room. I literally can't recall that. Yes. Because she all the way. What she does, they raise her room and then she goes to her room, finds them all like looking around. Right. And then she breaks up with you. Yes. Yeah. And the one day in the in while they're rating her room, he of course puts on her bra, puts her thong on his head. And then she comes in and he just leaves it on. Yeah. He does not take it off. That was psycho Steve, of course. You know what? Now now I remember the episode. Really? I did. Because I remember someone like someone pulling me into an edit and someone like, "Hey, you want to check this out?" I think this is pretty good. So that's pretty funny. Psycho Steve was a star. He knew. He knew what to do on camera. He knew what to do. Yeah. And then she picked the the close guard guy. She did. Yeah. Surprisingly. She would like, "You have a job, you have your own place." And I don't know. You're going to afford your own porn? Yeah. Well, they kind of did find her porn too. When they're rating her room, they find a VHS called "Sexual Positions the Video." Posted the audiobook. What was porn? That thing you guys saw. That's an instructional video maybe. I know. It's so funny because they're date, basically they went and sat in a hot tub. Yeah, they showed. They did show a little bit of that day. They're in a hot tub and I guess his back. So, but she had a hot tub? She had a hot tub. Yeah, she lived with her parents and she seemed like pretty rich. Yeah, she had a hot tub and they sat in it. Both of them said, "This is really cool." And that was the whole conversation. So, so many. So many clearly. That's all you need. Well, the other episode we watched was with the star Zach Efron. Zach Efron. Yeah, yeah. So, I guess this was when you guys started doing celebrity guests. But still pretty early on because it was Zach Efron pre-high school musical fame. He was apparently, I didn't even remember this. He was on a show called Summerland, maybe on the CW or something. And so, he was 17 years old. And so, it was like room readers like celebrity guest edition or whatever. And so, he got to choose the dates. I think it was the third or fourth season I think this season. Yeah, because it wasn't in Jersey. Yeah, it was like California. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was real world. Yeah, it was California. I did see a couple of minutes from that and it was so weird to see him without muscles. I know, he's just this little baby. This little boy. Yeah, he was cute boy. He was cute and he was a little ham on camera for this episode. It was very funny. The first thing he says is my dream girl would look like a younger Catherine Zeta Jones. So, that pretty much makes me a younger Michael Douglas. Wow. I mean, he's 35 now. I guess they could date. I'm sure, yeah. Yeah, I can see it. Let's go for it. Yeah, let's go for Catherine Zeta. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, but it's just, I mean, we'll get to the apartment. This is a funny episode because he rated all of their rooms. But they did not get to go to his house. Did not allow them to raise a girlfriend's room. So, I guess they didn't always do that. So, on camera or they just, they just don't mention it and just still over the back. No, they don't mention it. They just need a beach. Yeah, I guess it wouldn't be fair if you'd like. Celebrity privacy. Yeah, they're probably like, "It's not going to fucking happen." Exactly. Also, like compared to the girls' room, it's just going to be like an insane house somewhere. I know. I feel like damn. Yeah, I'm like, he has more than one room that you can raise. I don't know his balance. That was so tall. Yeah, but they had like three women of this and they were like all young. There was Karen. She was 19, worked at a bank, which just seems too young to work at a bank. It doesn't mean to work at a bank. And her thing was that she writes poetry. And I liked the, in her introduction shot, they show her standing next to a moving train reading her poetry. Yeah, which was bad. It was a bad poetry, but she also said that I love hip-hop dancing. It's fun. So I'm really good at shaking my ass. Guy think it's pretty intimidating to dance with me or any other friends because we're too good. She can take it more seriously. Is this the same one as a banker? Yeah, yeah. She's the all sorts of things. She's a banker. She's a poet. She's a hip-hop dancer. She's a joker. She's a smoker. I bet she's still a banker. You bet she's a, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, she's like a branch manager. Famous poet, maybe. And then Katie, who describes herself as beach bum and professionally has no idea what she wants to do with her life. But it's for right now, she's just doing what she wants. And that's on a stay from a 19 year old. I really respect that. Yeah. And she had a very nice house, I remember. And her whole thing, her whole identity on the show was being a virgin, which they made her talk about often, which reality TV still does all the time now. Anytime there's a virgin on like the bachelor, it's all they let them talk about. Which feels gross. It is gross. It's like you're not going to trust someone on room readers. Yeah, exactly. Were now, was she like a, was it, is she just hadn't had sex? Or did she make it part of her identity? Was it just like, I'm like, I'm a Christian, I'm a virgin. This is I'm waiting till I'm married. Or was it just like, no, I just haven't gone around to it. Yeah, I feel like she didn't really say it was like for a specific reason. It was probably like feasible that she's just like, yeah, not, haven't yet. Just hasn't happened. Just try. They're just like behind the camera. Keep talking about that. They're like, stretch, stretch. Tell us in detail. And then they had that, they're out who just like 18 teaches cheerleading. Cheerleading. He loves that. He loved the cheerleading. But then he went, goes to the rooms and it's so funny. The first room he goes to, he, I mean, it's just like a nice, you know, it's, it's a nice house. But the first thing he said, he's used the couch and he's like, just looks like a furniture from my grandmother. Yeah. I'm like, you don't have to say that. He was sassy. Yeah. He's a little sassy and juggie. Oh, yes. So the first one he does find her poetry and he reads it out loud and he says, I am. This is what she wrote. This is her poetry writing randomly expressing thought until a sudden answer is exposed from an accidental organization of your own jumbled mind. And then Zeca from goes, what? That's deep. That's cool. I like creative people. I'm an actor. So we would probably get along because you're an artist and then you immediately goes through her underwear drawer. Yeah. Cause he's an artist. He's a poet. He's everything. But then he, this is what he did not like about her is that he found her hairbrush and her hairbrush surprisingly had hair in it. And he did not like that. Yeah. He said that was the treatment brush. Yeah, on any given day someone would find in my hairbrush. Yeah. I think I was that absolute monster. He takes the hair out of her hairbrush also and then just leaves it on the dresser. Yeah. Like gross. And then just walks away. Doesn't throw it away or anything. But he also did the thing. So he went into his drawer and he found the underwear. And there were one that had animal prints on it and he said, "My mom loves animal prints." And then he said, "I would like to see this on my mom." Yeah, he did. He brought up this animal. Why would you see that? Yeah, like a cheetah print thong reminded him of his mom. I want to Google his mom now. Well, she looks like it. Oh my gosh. So then he goes to the second house, which is Haiti. And her room, well, first of all, her parents have a pool in the backyard with a water slide, which he loves. He's obsessed with that. That's his favorite thing he's ever seen because he's a kid. And then in her room, he takes issue with a few things. The first thing is that she has her name everywhere. Like she has little letter blocks and signs and fraying things that just say Haiti, which I feel like that's common for a kid to have in their room. Yeah. And he's like, "Wow, you have mirrors and you have your name everywhere. Are you self-obsessed or self-absorbed?" Yeah. And then he did not like that about her at all. And then I love that he found also like her high school diploma. And he was like, "Well, the guy's that means she's educated. She has a high school diploma." Oh, yeah. He's like, "I like older women." Yeah. Oh. And in that, he also finds a trophy for second place middle school life science. And he says, "I didn't like the trophy. It makes me think she's a brainiac and spends all her time doing schoolwork." She only got second place and it was middle school, my dude. Yeah, exactly. He's just so funny. Did you guys tell them that they had to come up with like a positive and negative thing to say about every room? Sometimes it felt like, "What are you talking about?" Yeah. Definitely seemed like they were grasping straws to find positive things sometimes too. Yeah, that was part of our job. It was just like, "Fuck, how do I spend this?" Yeah. My dudes, places are shit hole. Right. Oh, like I remember in the first episode, the girl saying a positive thing about the superman, creepy superman room. She was like, "Well, I liked that you're ambitious." I guess. What? You would like to fly one day. I got positive role models in your life. Positive male role model. No, yeah. Then he goes to the third room. Third room was just normal, I think, right? Yeah, the cheerleaders room. Yeah. He says it looked comfortable. Yeah, this was interesting because she did have a picture of herself in the room, but then there was a sticker put over her face. So he could tell she had a bang and body according to him, but he just couldn't see what her face looked like. Did you guys usually get rid of all photos and stuff? That was. I feel like we showed that. No, we purposely put stickers over faces to the faces. So I thought that was in the intro. Maybe it's not, but yeah, I don't know. They covered all the faces. We took out things that could identify them. Yeah, that makes sense. But he could tell she was a hot cheerleader. Yeah, he held one. I loved that. He sometimes he goes through like the wardrobe and he held the most normal shirt ever and he was like, I'm digging your style. It's like it's a red t-shirt. It's literally nothing. Yeah. I guarantee you that was a producer note. Like I just find something. Yeah. I don't care. It's like red. That's hot. Yeah, exactly. I'm thinking about that sticker thing and how fucked up that is now. I'm like, well, you can't see their face, but you can see their body. Yeah. And then you could shoot. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's just like, choose a girl by their body then. Yeah. And that's who he picked. It is who he picked. Yeah, he's like, she seemed like a hot cheerleader, honestly. Yeah. And then they walked on the beach. They held hands. And then I assumed he was like never talking to me again, never speaking to me again. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely not. But it was so funny. I'm sure. During the elimination ceremony or whatever, he gives his reasons for not picking the other two girls. And for the first one, he says it was the most disgusting hairbrush he's ever seen and it was full of hair. And that was his reason. And she gets so defensive. And she said, I have a lot of friends that come over and use my stuff. Sorry. And he was like, so it wasn't your hair. And he's like, she was like, well, maybe some of it. I don't know. It's okay that you have hair and your hair. But I just don't like Zach Efron tell you otherwise. Do you think the story that the person who didn't get chosen by Zach Efron tells? Right. I think the person who got chose for like what like she probably tells a story and it's fun. But I was like, I once didn't win a date with Zach Efron. Like what do you do? Right. You have to live with that. And they probably weren't anticipating he was going to get as famous as he did. Yeah. I imagine like, because like I went and I saw like who he has dated through the years. And I imagine every time he broke up with someone, it was on the news. These room rate is good. It are just like, yeah, I feel you. Yeah. I was in the same position. I was his first. He was such a jerk to me when we dated. I'm a remrater. Yeah. Because then the other girl who he eliminates for having her name everywhere in her room and mirrors in her room was like, my mom picked out those decorations. So exactly. Yeah. Like the house came like that. And he was like, oh, okay. Well, I didn't that wasn't really why. I just wanted to date the two later. Exactly. So we want to do the game. Yeah. Yeah. So game it's like just like prompt question. We wanted to do what? What would you very much not want someone to find in your room if you were suddenly on remaders? I was thinking, what they really need to do an adult remaders. Oh, yeah. I know. Like 40 plus year old. Absolutely. I mean, for me, honestly, the amount of socks under my bed, it's like insane amount. Like I got into the habit of just like I see a sock and instead of just like putting it in the closet, I'll just kick it under the bed. And I looked yesterday and I was like, oh, I see now. I didn't have to go to target and buy more socks all of them are here, all of my socks. Yeah. And they would because one of the things in the spy kit was like a thing to prop up your bed and look under your bed. And that's so to watch. They were like, no one had an actual bed frame. So everyone's been supported by like center blocks like this crack. But yeah, they would find the socks and they'd be like, what is he doing? I know. And also like my cats go under and they just like sleep there. So these socks have a lot of cat hair on them as well. So it's just like the worst truly. Yeah. I bought a vacuum today. So I'll fit a good one. Congrats. Congrats. I had one before. First time. This is not the first time I'm back. You wait. Okay. And what's yours? Minus sock related to you. Yeah. Because I was just thinking how they go through everyone's drawers. And I have a very bad habit of for socks and underwear. Like taking one out and being like, this is so old. It's falling apart. It has holes in it. I can't wear it. And then I just put it back in the drawer rather than throw it away because and it's all like subconsciously happening in my brain. I'm like, you never know when I'm going to need it. I don't know. Like I could. There could be a nuclear war and then I'll need every sock I have. That makes sense. And I can't be picky. But I should just throw them away. So they would probably think I was a slub for that. I also very much wouldn't want someone to find my planner like for no like really embarrassing reason. And it's just like that's where I write my daily to do lists. And I feel like that feels very like vulnerable. Anyone to see. Yeah. I was pretty shopping. Yeah. Like I hide that when anyone comes up for it. So like if they look at that and see that I like write down like go buy toilet paper or whatever. You don't want people like to know that you were a human just like. Yeah. Exactly. I get that. I get that. Exactly. So my was what's yours. This is weird. I thought of it because I had a it was passed over recently and I was at my I have a family relative and they they have a very very expensive apartment. They have a very very nice place and they're wonderful people and they're showing us the new place and it's like the closets the size of you know people's bedrooms kind of place. And in my closet that the weekend after after that I put up I was really kind of proud of myself because I have these like really tiny closets in my queen's apartment and I I installed some bungee cords to keep all the blankets from not falling over. I'm like I just had this I said to my if I said what what would they think if it was like just like looking at closets and but they were breaking they were like we wanted to see the place. They're very nice. But I was I was like what if we would be like take a monitor of our business like here's I was so proud of the bungee cords that I'd installed like with hooks and anchors into the wall and I'd done some hardware some real manly man stuff and these bungees were holding up the duvet and the extra pillows and like I was so proud of it was like this is so pathetic like this is like I'm over 40 and I'm proud of the bungees holding my shit together in my closet. So I guess that's that's my answers. My shame slash pride over my my ingenuity. If it were a New York or a reading your apartment they'd be like oh that's a good idea I got to do that too. Every time I reach for a towel I risk everything falling on me at once. Yes. If you all come over I'll do. but yes, I got some extra anchors. - That is so funny. - That's my thing. - All right, should we do our villain of the week, because I can't? - Yes, so this is the final segment. So since our lives are just a reality TV show, at least that's what I like to think. Each week we choose the villain of our week. - Yeah. - Those who are real life villainists. - Exactly. - Do you have one? - I do have one. And it is the New York buses just in general, like the bus system in New York. - Controversial. - Yeah. - I like the buses. - I like the buses as a concept. This is what I don't like. So I never take the bus unless, when I'm coming to this studio that we're recording at, 'cause the only way I can get here is by taking the bus. - Oh, you take the bus. - Yes. - And every time I take the bus, I literally feel like they changed the rules somehow and I always end up looking like an idiot who's never taken a bus. - Like where it stops, you mean? - Like, so for example, I get in and I also feel like I just appointed the bus driver. So I was sitting in the back and you know, it's my stop and I was supposed to go from the back door because that's what they tell you. He used the back door to get out and everyone was just looking at me. Like I just broke some roll and everyone was like, this door doesn't open, it's the front door. And I was just like, how do you not know that? I'm like, how am I supposed to know that? - It's the best open usually. - Yeah, and then the bus driver yelled at me and he was like, come through the front door. How many times do I have to say this? I was like, one time, I literally did not get a single time. - Oh my god. - Or my phone, I tried to get in and my phone will not, 'cause I scanned my phone till I pay. And my phone will stop working. Like stuff like that just happens every time I take the bus. - Yeah. - To the point where I was like, should I just walk? - Yeah. - Yeah. - And I walked, should I just walk? - I've tried taking it sometimes to get to Buschwick too, 'cause it is the most convenient way a lot of times. And Google Maps, where Google Maps tells me it stops, is never where it actually stops. And I've ended up running for it every time. But I have to take it. - Always. - I guess you're right. - It's like, they have to put you through it. You know, they're like, yeah, the bus is coming in five minutes or an hour. It might not come. You will never know. - Yeah. - So they are the villains. - Okay. - What about you? - My villain this week is whoever came up with how you make cheesecake. Whoever invented the process of making cheesecake. Because it's too hard. - No baker-hard. - I don't even know what you mean by that. - No big cheesecake. - No baked. - No baked cheesecake. - I baked it. So I made my first cheesecake yesterday. And yeah, Miles, I want to get your opinion as the husband of a baker. (laughing) - I don't know how to ask her, but I know this too. 'Cause the cheesecake's. - Okay, I didn't even know that. - There's bacon no bit. - I don't know, I could not bake. I could opt out of the hole. - You still have to. - Hell, I'm just gonna form it somehow and put it in a fridge and shoot it. - That's a show. - Oh man. Well, yeah, so it's so complicated. So you have to, so I made the crust. You bake the crust. And then when you put, you make all the filling and that's fine, you're just stirring stuff. And then you put it in. And then to bake it, you have to put the cake pan, which is a special pan you have to buy. 'Cause the sides come off. In a pan of boiling water, first you put it in boiling water and then you put that in the oven. - Yeah. - And then, but you have to put a lot of tin foil over it because if any water gets into the actual cake pan, the whole thing is ruined. And I did everything exactly according to plan. And then I think some water still got in somehow because I used the wrong kind of tin foil, like not big enough tin foil. So I don't know yet if the cake is good, it's still standing. I made it for my boyfriend's birthday, it's Wednesday and she's cake is his favorite dessert. So TBD on if it's, we're gonna bite into it and see if it's just a sponge. - I, I, yeah. - It's just still for the day surprise. - Right, yeah, we're even gonna break up. That's how bad it is. (laughing) - Was she thinking me? Are you sure you're cheese, guys? - This is just so cute. But I tried. - Yeah, I know you tried. That's what that is. (laughing) So Miles, who is your villain? - Mine and I preface this with the people who do deliveries from all the different services were all, I have to say on average, they're all pretty awesome and wonderful and very helpful and friendly. One fucking guy. (laughing) One fucking guy. From UPS, who comes by and he rings the bell, oh, you know what I'm sorry, he doesn't ring the bell. He puts, he doesn't ring the bell and he just puts the, they weren't home sticker on. And I see him. - We seem to do it. - Oh my God. - We can't do it. And like the time it took you to write the fucking thing and put the sticker on the little wire and just ring the bell and leave the pack. - He was expecting to be greeted at the door by you. - Just, you sense he was there and just come. - It's so infuriating and it's like, we were waiting for an air conditioner to get delivered and literally it was three attempts and then three, we watched him do it three times. - Oh my God. - Show up, put the sticker on, walk away. So to the one guy at UPS, who's not all the other awesome people who do it, fuck you. - Hi, I see that sticker on the door and I'm like, the next week of my life is about to be hell. - Yeah, oh my God. - It's totally that worse. - Yeah, it's like, people don't get it. In suburbia, if you don't leave in a dormant building and you live in a city, you're at the just the whimsy and the will of just fate when it comes to getting - Yeah, one person at it. - Yeah, maybe one. I had a package situation. I had a package situation recently where my work, they would like send us like snack boxes every month, which was very nice and last month, they sent one and but they did it during a week, a hi this week. So no one was home to accept the package and I got home for, and it's always a surprise. So I got home and I see the stickers and I'm like, "Oh, okay, I guess I have a package and I have to go pick it up from the UPS access point and it's been sitting there for like a week and a half probably at this point." And I pick it up, I bring it home and it's so much melted ice cream. Like melted and like the box, it definitely been like upside down. Just like loose, everywhere in the box. - Like do I put it in the freezer? - Yes, one sent me a plant. - A plant. - They sent me a plant and it was like, it was like, my live next door rush run and they delivered it to the rush run. It was there for three weeks. - Oh my God. - Oh my God. (laughing) - It was like this poor succulent. It was just starving. Oh my God, that's so funny. - That's so cheap. - Right in the garbage. - Just gently money next time seriously. - Yeah, even if it didn't die, it's like thanks for now giving me this chore. - Yeah. - And this thing that I'm going to kill. All right, well this has been so much fun. - Yes. - Thank you so much for being here miles. We learned a lot. - Our pleasure. Congratulations on the show, guys. - Thank you. - Thank you. - Thank you. - You're welcome to the applause. - Thank you. - Thank you so much. - Thank you so much. - Yes, round of applause for us. - Oh, that's what I love, I think she is. (laughing) - All right, this has been you could do that on television. We'll see you guys next week. - See you next week. - Bye. - Bye. (upbeat music) - If you love the Traders on TV, you'll love the Trader at Trader's Podcast. I'm Matthew, a TV researcher and host of the podcast dedicated to the most successful phenomenon in unscripted TV right now. 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