You Can't Disrespect Them On and Off the Track

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When is it right now, Travis? 10.30 PM. OK. Coming to you late night on Monday night. Why didn't we just move the race up? TV window, but TV window for what? Lord of the Rings. That's what was on before. Not like another game. Lord of the fucking rings. Whoa, whoa, that's a good movie. I tell you what, fans love to add you a lot. And I think they'll have your back on this one. Like, yeah. What are we doing? Yeah. Well, it's just, I think that there's a couple of reasons that the race is like a 7 PM start. Obviously, the biggest one is temperature. It's really hot. It was hot there at the racetrack. When the sun was out, it was a scorcher out there. It was pretty warm. I think there is some validity to why not just give yourself an extra window, because truthfully, that rain that we got, that was the first rain all day. I mean, real rain. Yeah, that was maybe a sprinkle here and there, but not much of anything. So yeah, we had our first rain. And typically, you're going to get the afternoon thunderstorms in the afternoon. So it just kind of went against the odds there. And being at the racetrack for those two days, I mean, it rained everywhere around us, but on us. So the track was actually, and NASCAR was pretty fortunate to get in all the reason they did when they did. But certainly, it's not ideal to have a delay at all when you have a 7 PM start. That's not ideal. So I mean, maybe you give yourself a couple hours of a buffer there. I mean, I think a 5 PM start is still, hey, it's Sunday night. I mean, it is a school night for crying out loud, even though school's not in session. But it's a work night, right? So I think we also would have stunk, though, is that if you started at 6 and you got to the end of Stage 2 and then it rained, you would have felt cheated out of those final that second half of the race. Because we would have seen what had happened in Stage 1. You'd be like, man, I want more of this. And the rain comes. And then NASCAR would have pulled the plug on it. And then we'd be here today, being like, man, I wish we would have gotten Stage 3. Maybe not at the expense of 3 AM. But yeah, yeah, I mean, it's a balancing act of whether it's worth or not. But we got it in. We got it in the full distance. And Ryan Blaney was your dominant winner. One point away from perfection. Yep, Cody Ware got him. And I looked Cody Ware's time of like a $29.90. Like that's pretty fast. When did he get that? I don't know. He was probably-- yeah, I mean, he was back from the pack. Probably got a big run up. But I mean, who cares? He had the fast slap. So yeah, the 12 car obviously was trimmed out a little bit as well as all the other Penske cars as well. They qualified up front. You're not-- it's a simple math equation. And when it comes down to, you can pretty much tell the mindset of the teams during qualifying. And typically the further up front-- you qualify, the more trimmed out your car is. And then the further back you are, the more downforce typically you put in it. Except for the front row, guys, I don't know what they had going on. But their cars were way off. They were so qualifying and way off the pace during the race. So I'm not really not sure there. But so I think that the race-- and let's just kind of play the what ifs-- I think the race played out really well for Ryan Blaney with that rain delay. And the start time. Now, I do think that had this race been run during the day, they probably would have built something a little bit different, although they still dominated stage one. But I can tell you that the two and the 22 in the pack were very pedestrian when they got put back there. And that was even after the track cooled off. The 12 actually needed to do some strategy things throughout the race to get his track position back, because it ain't like he blew through the field once he lost his track position. He was stuck right around where I was in 10th, 12th, and that range. And then caution comes out, they just keep putting fuel on it. Now, Penske is definitely the team that always hedges towards screw the tires, just give me track position. That is their go-to play whenever they need it, is that they just are willing to not take tires when everyone else does. Now, for the field, I'm wondering why we changed tires at all? The tire at that racetrack is so hard, it does not wear out at all. When I say at all, I am confident. I am confident you could run an entire race on a set of tires. I don't know that it would be a huge detriment in speed to run the entire race on a set of tires. It's just that tire was built for the old New Atlanta that was like black payment. Tons of grip. If you remember, we were blowing out tires. That's back when the next year and first started. Guys were on the stops way too hard and blew tires. So they built and they said, OK, we'll stop that. We'll just put you on a really hard tire. And this tire is really hard and has very little grip until it gets some heat in it and what not. And on a warm racetrack, it is sketchy to say the least. So could we revamp that tire more than likely? Just simply because if you like what you saw at the end of the race, in order to get that without it being either nighttime or cold, you need to add grip back in the tire. It's time. This track is aged enough to where they need to put some grip back in it. If you want to see the tight style pack racing that we've, that we've, that the fans come to love at the end of this. But what if you are also entertained by that first stage? Well, if that's the case, then, hmm. I think you kind of maybe leave things as is, although a softer tire would tend to wear out more and then cause the same sort of effect, probably. I think a tire with more grip probably allows the pack to stay tight on a restart for a longer period of time because it seemed like we could do it at the beginning there is for like five laps and then it would string. And by the end of the race, if you look kind of the dispersion of speed between cars, the first, let's just say the first stage was like this. The second stage was like this and the third stage was like this, those on, they're not watching visually. I just close my fingers from about five inches to one inch. So I think, I think you could, I think it just is time for a tire revamp at that place. Otherwise you're going to lose the super speedway aspect of it in due time. What is, what is due time? Well, the track ages so every time we go there, it loses a little bit of grip. And so right now what you're seeing is it is highly, in order to get super speedway type of racing, it either has to be one of two things, really, really cold outside or it has to be nighttime. And any of the other variables, because you're saying stage one, we didn't see that. We didn't see the super speedway type of racing. Right. But I thought it was good race. It's good. Yeah, I like that. So don't, just not, don't let me sway, I just think with the fans, you know, it's getting a 90 on, on the good race pole because of the end. It has, they're not, they're not grating on the curve of, well, what was the beginning? I think if the race entire race plays out like the beginning, you're you're looking at a 70% poll maybe I don't I don't know, but that's the type of racing I wish we had there is more You know conventional obviously where setup really does matter, you know how you build your car really does matter at the end It's all just okay. Let's let's work the draft and and not get crashed if possible. So it's um yeah, I think that uh Again, I good here's done an amazing job. It's just I think it's a little it's time here at this track to address it I mean, I'm just impressed that We got to this point remember very handfully years ago when we were talking about the Atlanta reconfiguration It was like oh, I don't know. This is yeah a good idea Is this some of the best if not the best racing on the on the calendar? Yeah, and you're Because it's just it's got an element. It's like old super speedway racing if you listen to this podcast before you've heard me say it This is super speedway racing from the 2000s ish so it just Because there's space between the cars and it's really what we are aspiring the other tracks to be and you know Possibly there'll be some rule changes coming in the future uh in the very near future that will address Taldega Daytona the fuel saving, you know, we're still gonna have fuel saving, but like can we recreate an Atlanta type Of look of racing at those tracks back to where what would it used to be so I feel like Every super speedway race whether it's these Atlanta ones or or Daytona or something um The fours are always the best right they're always trimmed out why Like why why couldn't you just take a little downforce out of the your Toyota's your shade Maybe up a little speed. I mean you maybe could I guess it that simple um somewhat somewhat but um Yeah, I don't know I think that it's uh it's a balance if you look at Who of the guys that qualified up front really really raced well it really was the 12 you know Once the Penske guys got shuffled that was that was it the five maybe But every time I was around I mean it looked like he was out of control You know even though that made it look like he was in control. It just I could tell like he was really fighting that car um A lot of the day and so I I just think that Do you chase that one and say oh we gotta do that I I don't know that's fair I'm saying the fours all ran really well, but really I'm just the 12 the 12 really well Yeah, the 12 the 12 was just head and shoulders and I think that Blaney does the best job of driving a trimmed out car over Anyone else um that that's just my observation Hi y'all this drone and tiff davis our new weekly podcast is out now on dirty mo rodeos youtube channel and podcast platforms With new episodes every Thursday leave us a comment and a review and come see what this cowboy life is all about Hope y'all come and check us out Till next time idios Your car seemed like it was top 10 We were hanging around 10th all all day like that just is kind of where I was I could I had flashes were then oh I get in the top three You know I had I had balance issues. I had handling issues um This is a you know I told the team this is a bit of an old setup that was kind of really built around What you know what Atlanta have become like three four years ago and it's just time for refresh I've asked I've asked Chris Gail to The start over and give me something different next time. How does that happen you've phrased there so much JGR has all you know the tools you also have 2311 like How do you guys go there with the car that you now say needs to refresh well because we look at the competition of the guys that are in the relatively the same cars And they're much more competitive and what looks to me is well that's They clearly can make that work. So I need to self reflect and say well I can't seem to make what I've got work. So just maybe give me something more similar to them and then It's up to me at that point to then make it work. So you You do not have the same thing or you didn't have the same thing that the the 2311 cars had And that's because you don't necessarily know what they have or you just can't that doesn't fit your your mind I just think that this is something we've been working on on the 11 team for many years and kind of fine tuning this Baseline and I'm asking for eh let's Let's make something else. I know we've tried to mix in change some of the ingredients, but like let's Let's get a whole new batch of Something yeah because your team 2311 clearly had What was needed to win this race they were yeah arguably the two best Toyota's Yeah, they definitely were uh the 20 out of the 20 in there as well. He seemed pretty strong Um, but yeah, it seems like each Atlanta race those The 23 in the 45 Stand out as the Toyota's that are the strongest in the pack. So yeah, there's there's certainly something to be learned there Oh, we had a unique situation in this race that you get this rain delay and then you can come back to the bus And you get to review all of the the drama that went on during stage one this stuff with William Byron and his crew chief You got every driver. I assume got to watch the pre-race Carson Hosevar interview Um, I don't know. What is that like just as a competitor, you know Get to come back and you get to like put eyes on an erase that you're involved in. Yeah, you need to go back with a different perspective It definitely um I'd say it at any other race track. I would I wouldn't like it because I think it's you know, I don't want the competition being able to Um, have a good reset, but at a track like this for me. It's like yeah, it's a good reset. I'm at the time. I'm I'm not struggling, but like I'm chipping away, you know, started 28th Okay, and now we're 18th now we're 12th and now we're 7th like we were chipping away at the night But that was a good reset to kind of see guys that were in the very similar trim levels is what we were Um, how much throttle they could carry and that told me okay. Well, if they can carry that much throttle Then their cars I know how much I can keep because hold because I'm I had some moments where it was like okay I can't hold anymore That's a balanced issue so that it helped me identify that I need to work on balance and and and so that that was a good reset so is a good metaphor or you know That you you're taking a test and then halfway through the test The professor says okay, you get to take 30 minutes to go to your textbook and come back and answer the rest of the questions Is that like kind of what that's like? Yeah, only it's a little bit less predictable like in a test like you're talking about you kind of know the the questions that are gonna be You know, what are you gonna get quizzed on? Mm-hmm. We're in a race that there's so many variables I don't know how the end of the race is gonna play out so it's a little bit different in that Instance but it's very similar in that yeah, you can go back and look at your notes At the end of stage two here Bubba Wallace was mad at tie Gibbs for Just the on track incident Bubba comes down maybe late Ty maybe doesn't check up sends Bubba through the infield. What's your Perspective on that. I mean my perspective is both guys should look at it from the others perspective That is that is where I'm at with it because Um, I was I was a little upset with a 45 as well Just it just seems like some of the blocks and stuff. It's like it leaves you no choice that Yes, you might be clear But you're leaving me no choice when I say me the competition no choice but to yeah, I'm clear And you're gonna have to check you're gonna have to hit the brakes to keep from wrecking me because I'm gonna be mad if you wreck me You know what I mean? So you're not leaving your you're got you're not leaving people any choice In that instance so um, I've always thought that Generally speaking when it comes to blocking If you a block is fine It can be as late as it needs to be as long as you're clear You can make the block as late as you want to make it As long as it doesn't require the person that's coming with the run to check up So as long as you can get in line and that person could just keep their momentum going and yep I'm gonna pull in front of you and you're gonna bump me forward. That is a good no issue Block for me. I think the blocks that that are really really tough Is the ones where they're coming at 10 miles an hour faster and yes, you're clear to pull up Because you're clear. You sure you're clear, but it doesn't mean You have to take that because now you've Remember the Brad kesoski many years ago. I'm done lifting This is a Dayton or something people he says people were clear clear, but they're requiring me to stop and now put myself in danger because I don't I'm trying not to hit you and I think that's too much to ask and I and I agree with that. I definitely think if you make a block that is forcing others to check up hard, it's you have to be okay with the consequence that that person's not going to lift enough to save you and I think this was one of those situations where it was there was a tough ask to ask that the 54 to check up that that much, but there was just so big of a speed variant, but I understand why the 23 did it because you know that you know he doesn't want to lose that one spot, you know, I guess they're coming to the end of the stage, but it's like man, I don't know that's it's really putting your competition in a really tough spot where you're saying, yep, I need you to look out for me here and lift, I don't think I just don't think that's a reasonable ask of anyone, you're asking a favor that the other driver may not want to grant or be able to or be able to and that kind of because I don't know it's behind, I have no idea what's behind tie, but if tie does get on the binders there, he now has put himself in danger to to help you and I don't think anyone is signing up for that. Continuing with with Bubba here, he was penalized at the end of this race for crossing the WL line and quote unquote improving his position. Would you make of this? How much of a first of all were you aware after the race? Like when did you know what was going on? When I looked at the scoring pile on, that only went to 12 and then on the golf cart ride back, my number was on the pile on and it wasn't before. Oh, the 23 was a race date. I didn't notice they've removed it from the pile on. I did not know that's how I knew. So do you turn into you knew that because you see you see the move out of your out of your windshield? No, because he should have been 13th and now he's 12th. No, but he didn't understand. You didn't know. I didn't see the move. That's no. I didn't see it. So at what point do you at all do you turn into owner to any haminer? Are you kind of hands off before you give your opinion on? Well, what I want and what what happened were two different things. No, but I'm saying like, are you do you get involved with the post-race stuff? No, no, no, no, no, that's that's on Dave Rodgers. That's always a one. Yep. Yep. Head of competition for us. He's and I think I saw him walking into the haulers. Yeah, he's the one that puts up the fight him and the crew chief. Okay. I was just wondering how now you can proceed with your thoughts. I mean, when I watched it, I was thinking that that's definitely going to be a penalty because I just I've been penalized for before. So I kind of I know and understand the rule and that is it's not necessarily. It's not that you gain a position. You can't get yourself into position to gain a position. Does that make any sense? Improve is not gain a spot like it makes sense. But people I think took it as if you don't it's not literal. Yeah. It's not literal in the sense of advance your position. It's making a move to advance. There's a there's a word in there that is very very specific on the result doesn't matter. It's the intention. And so. So for instance, here's here's why that rule is implemented. So let's just say at the end of the race, they play out somewhat similar. If I knew that, oh, as long as I don't actually pass them, but this move below the line allows me to get beside them, that changes things, right? You have to pretend that there's a wall there. That yellow line there, that is a wall, essentially, that is not concrete. You just can't that is the imbalance out of bounds in the minute you step your foot out of bounds. It doesn't matter whether you gained an advantage or not. It's that that's what they call. So yeah, it while the finishing position did not show that he advanced, like if you look in the middle three and four, Bubba was the furthest car forward at one point. So he technically did gain, he gained the lead at some point of the move and that, you know, that sucks because he lost a lot. He was should have finished in the top three at least with the speed and everything. They came from the back, again, from the tie gives thing. They are fast, man. And listen, they were aggressive. I thought I saw him put the 12 in the wall a couple times with some blocks and whatnot. But they battled back and shoot. I mean, they certainly finished at least 20 points worse than what they should have. I mean, we can Monday morning quarterback this move to death, but like was that the right move? Just not the best execution. Like if you're running third there behind, in order to win, in order to win, yeah, in order to win, which he's trying to do, yeah, he's trying to do that. It's just, it's the track like a Taladega. He's got plenty of room to do that. The width of the track, but just at Atlanta, there's just not a ton of room. And then the, you know, as he's making that move, like if you look to 77, makes a little bit of a, like a stutter step type of like, let me show you. I'm going to block low, even though the 77 left room, it just with the momentum and the speed that the 23 was coming around, it would have been hard for him to control his car within the limits, you know, because of how, how quick he turned left there. So it was, it was the only percentage shot he had of winning is to get three wide and hopefully get a push. And it just, I mean, he just barely crossed over there. So is that a, like, is that a forgivable mistake? Or is it more like, hmm, not the best judgment, not the best judgment call, probably should have just went home with your turn. No, I think you got it. Man, going for a win. I think you got to just, I think you go for it. But I mean, I need to remind you that we inside the car early, so I can't see the lines. When I'm going on the back stretch at Atlanta, I, the difference between the apron and the actual racetrack, there's not much difference in banking. So looking at a straight line is like looking at a, at a landing strip for an airplane when you're sitting like you just, you see, you see that it's just dead flat and you don't see where the other stuff is, like the commitment box, we talked about it during the O'Reilly's race, well, it has really easy to run over that thing because everything is just so flat and it's hard for us to see. It's no different when I can tell you that when Bubba's in his end car and he's, he's probably made it up in his mind, I'm going through wide, somewhere, wherever the biggest hole is, that's where I'm going. When you turn down there, that's the first moment you see the line. He, he's not able to see that line when he's behind the 77 and 12. Yeah. So you don't know where you're at on the track till you get there. So it's almost too little too late. Yeah. So it's like, it really is an invisible wall to you drive. It is. It is a wall. That's how they rule it. Yeah. But a wall that you can't really visibly see or really judge for, I guess, I don't know. It's tough there. There's other tracks where it's a little bit easier, but it's very tough there. Also coming to the checker flag here in that three wide Carson Hosevar in the middle didn't receive any help is that because no Chevy support or no Carson Hosevar support. I'm not really sure. I'm not really sure on that. I, I think it's probably combination of both really, but I mean, as a competitor, I mean, I just, I, I agree a lot with how like Burton and Jamie kind of broke it down is that you, you don't race the fans. You race your competitors and there's more of them than there are you. And the competitors definitely play a big role in your how you finish on a week, week to week basis. And so I certainly think that, you know, while it, it may sound good in an interview when you come down to the end of the race, those words sometimes can, can hurt your, your finishing position. I was going to say you can't tell the drivers if you want to war, bring it and then expect them to help you out on the race track. And then also, I don't know if Bell was thinking this, but Push and Blaney is the better decision for him in the standings versus person pushing Hosevar too. When you look at where Bell sits. Yeah. Yeah. At the time, I think that Bell, Bell's always going to make whatever decision thinks it's going to give him the best finishing position. I don't know that I would find it really, really hard to do to wear split second off a turn. for where you have a choice to me and I think some maybe some drivers can do this but like I'm just figuring out which car has the momentum that is gonna allow me to get by whoever he's racing but I also I mean there are there are drivers and there was drivers in our meeting today this says no matter what they will not push Carson Houghts bar to a victory absolutely not they'll push anyone else so I mean that you know when you when you say those things you just it's certainly it's what were you saying we can't you can't disrespect them on and off the track you know that's what Dale that's what Jeff Burton was saying so well was that yeah Dale Earnhardt first of all was winning a lot of races but he would at least come to you with some man I'm sorry about that and you know he made you believe that you guys were friends and he'd help you get over it you know what I mean and then you know and if you look at kind of look at the I look at the kinseth and legano thing and legano had a great interview this past week where he talked about you know what would you do different he's like man just how I would have handled it you know off the racetrack and I believe I believe that a thousand percent that had he just went to kinseth and said hey man here's my side this is this is why I did that but instead he had the attitude of oh well and kinseth said okay okay then and he ended his championship hope so it's this sport is it's just one of those things where you don't have to have a lot of friends but but you definitely can't have a lot of enemies and and I just I think about the greats of our sport all the great there's never been a great of our sport that has not been respected by his peers there's never been and I think that you know I think that that is a that is certainly a category that is is lacking and you know what's what's good for clicks is not always what's good for competition and you know there'll be a time when that that that eventually starts to get realized back to Ryan Blaney here his win now puts him only 65 points back of you 41 back of reddit he is very much in this legacy and championship conversation now no doubt yeah especially with the look at the racetracks that are coming up 100 percent I think the short tracks if anything that that's I think the short tracks is Blaney strong suit over other than speedways over everything else so and that's the bulk of what we have left here yeah North Wilkesborough next weekend it starts it starts there um I don't know will you look at it is that the points in front of you there yeah would you anything anything stand out here around the cut line SVG got 32 points Sunday that's what's standing here he had a great day he had a great day I mean he was mean him or around each other quite a bit we were kind of all hanging around that eight to 12th most of the day and SVG held a steady wheel he didn't make any late blocks it put himself in a bad situation I thought he just really did a great job of uh you know getting getting the best day possible he didn't lose any points on Tuesday no definitely didn't and and you guys have probably saw the clip from the media center where I said I was confused on it and and I it still is confusing to me um but if you didn't what I said was that where the confusion came from me is that if NASCAR deemed it as an accident well then why did you why do you feel the necessity to pull them aside and tell them to stop it you can't you can't stop accidents now if it was intentional then sitting them down and saying stop it makes sense so it just it did it didn't make sense to me but but can you in your head know that was intentional but like I can't prove it enough to hand out a points penalty like is there a difference there like I think we might all know Jared Jared the the commentators proved it okay look at here look at look at how far he drives into the corner when there's a car right in front versus how he drove in the corner every other lap okay then why is it like then why is there no why is there no penalty I just didn't I don't think they wanted to get I don't think they wanted they don't want to get involved they don't want to give out them okay they don't want to get that's fine I don't I just think they didn't want to give one out on this one do they give one out on the next one I don't know I mean I don't know do you think drivers are confused on what the line is well I think the message the message this gives to the drivers is that you can pretty much do anything you want as long as you don't admit it they're gonna deem that they don't have enough evidence yeah you just don't say you hit the on purpose but you can say you don't like them call McGoon and whatever else in the media but just don't say hit them on purpose yeah it's a good place to be okay all right in season challenge we're out we're out I called it I called it I don't know this bell was strong man I tried had an opportunity kind of late in the race where it was like we were near each other but he was always he was just a little better than I was all day so he deserves it I think that's one thing you really notice here I mean you notice it at all tracks but you really noticed it here last night is like which cars were just better than which cars just had a little more speed than the next guy yeah or the drivers made the speed right like you know I think that that can't see that on TV as easily yeah it was evident to me that like I needed I was gonna need the 20 to get shuffled at the end of the race I was gonna need to be in the right line and I just didn't have enough maneuverability in my car I just didn't I didn't have you know if he thought he had a third to fourth place car you know I thought I had an eighth place car nice so I just didn't I was gonna need to have good fortune and you know the race kind of played out to where the best car is really kind of finished up front so nothing it was it was pretty chalky type of finish all all right well let's talk about who we got left here in this incident challenge we're down to four headed to north boaxboro we've got Christopher Bell how do we do on the predictions fellas this is the whole reason we did all right well you had chase chase verse chase who did you pick there do you remember you didn't write it down your sheet I I said chase Elliott okay you're right you had you verse Bell you said you said you had to pick yourself but you basically said I'm picking Bell okay so you were right thanks Travis yeah we had Bowman and Gillin who did you pick there probably Bowman okay you were wrong okay and then lastly Byron and Blaney Blaney obviously yep so you got three or four right all right you missed on you missed on you missed on Bowman Gillin all right well let's help the people win the next round who we got okay you got Bell verse Blaney Blaney hmm this is a this should be the championship this should be the you know what you know I'm saying like this is this this is would be an awesome final at that track gosh it's gonna be close I'm gonna go Bell and Blaney at North Wilkesboro oh give me Bell Bell give me Bell okay on the other side chase Elliott versus the 25 seed Todd Gilliland give me chase Elliott please thank you sorry Todd sorry Todd sorry get those dishes finished yeah actually it's late at night so maybe he's catching us before bed speaking of North Wilkesboro this is our time to give a PSA out to anybody that's gonna be in the infield yes thank you Travis those who have hot passes garage passes whatever it is I don't think we actually have garages there um if you want if you want to see all the glitz and the glamour before the race and happen to check things on the grid just know that when that green flag drops you are landlocked into that race track until this race is over so that is your four warning that there is no tunnel Thank you. this race track or bridge or bridges or garages or anything like that. So, hunker down and they don't sell beer too, right? And then we're in for 450 laps at this mother at 7 p.m. Oh, were you serious? Oh, that's fast my bedtime. Oh, that is a long freaking race. Should I just go ahead and schedule to take next Monday night? I, yes. Next week, guys, you're going to get your podcast Monday night. You're not getting in the afternoon, because I ain't waking up that early, not after late night like that. Nope. And PSA to all the drivers that if you crash out, yeah, you might want to wait till the end to crash. And your bus isn't there. You gotta hang on the hall there. God, that's brutal. You know what? I'm willing to be like a squirrel and wrist dying crossing that track under caution. We can see the security guy chasing after you can't go. I'm going. Or don't and I just kind of offense. Yeah, but you know what? I think it's fully fenced in. You know what I mean? Like there's no, you can't hop over the wall. Well, you could be like the guy from San Diego, then you got, then you got a fence, like I from San Diego, you got to go all the way over. Put some flip flops on. No, no temporary bridge is crazy. I mean, I don't even know if that's feasible, but it feels always got to be feasible. Gotta be to hear 2026. I know. Alright, what else? Um, do we do some off track stuff? Well, how about how about the O'Reilly's race? That was good. Just now, Guy, it was I think the fans were so disappointed because the if you looked, we were with just a few laps to go. And if you looked at the top 10, it was like three career wins in the entire top 10. And then we ended up getting a Justin win in the end. Um, but I thought he just did a great job and his crew chief did a great job building a car that was more drivable than others. And and I, I saw this with the JGR cars. Um, I'm mentioning it on the broadcast that like those guys couldn't be remotely within two car lengths of anyone. And they were just out of freaking control. So, um, and and I think that it seems like the junior merge worst cars all had a different approach to how they built their cars because I'm more up front. Some qualified in the back and like, clearly, there's a disparity of speed there. But the best combination came from, uh, just now, Guy and his camp. So that was a fun race. I thought they're gonna junior race was gonna throw that race away. They're great at working together with 200 laps to go, but two laps to go. And it was funny because Dale junior was on their radios the entire night just pleading with these guys to work together. Uh, because he's he's been through it many times. But you know, it's cool to see that, you know, how close the, the field is in, in the O'Reilly series at this racetrack. It was so, it was dominated by RCR for for so long in Austin Hill. And now that, you know, they seem to have slowed their cars down a little bit with and some handling. It's made it a lot more compelling race to watch because it seems like it's very, very hard for anyone whole lead. Do you know how many points Justin's in first five, like 300, probably 240? Oh, you and reddit did well, he, uh, Algar locked up their championship, right? Radio season. Uh, I, I don't think they want to say that because they're like, it really could trigger some fans. We're like, see, we done told you. Yeah, though, uh, you and reddit clinched your guys a spot in the chase. Awesome. We had some racing, uh, not in the cup series, but in the, uh, carting series. Whoa, whoa, what about trucks at Lyme Rock Park? The only thing I kind of took away from was when the honey cut and, yeah, Gio got, got into each other. I, it didn't look intentional. It looked like he got ran off the racetrack sort of by Gio. And then when it came back on, he's like, well, I'm not getting run off the track and checking up for you in this corner. So I don't know if they're mad at each other or not, but Toyota teammates, they just don't work well together. Old Toyota teammates. Um, but great win by Grant. Um, that, that racetrack, uh, appears to be pretty entertaining. It's, it's a row course, but it like, if you look at it on a map, it looks oval-ish. Um, but Parker Kligerman, great job by him. I think he finished fourth. Uh, good finish. Um, I don't really have any other takeaways from the truck series. Truthfully. How about y'all? Same. Yeah, all good. Okay, now Travis, now you can bring up the karting series at, uh, the hoop group GP. Listen, I'm, I channeled my inner Carson Hosevar. I, this was about content. This is not about results. The funny part is that people are, yeah, I can vouch for Danny. He took the lead with, with like halfway through lap one and then somehow gave it up with two to go. I mean, come on. Let's be, let's be honest. I mean, Brent's better than he had sounds like. Brent had a wild idea that like, let's bet $1,000 and we'll, we'll take which the, the fairest way to do it, truthfully, is you take the cart soft, you know, you get on opposite sides of the track, you run your laps, you switch carts, run your laps, you average the time because then now the cart's not a variable. Yeah. Um, and these guys think that, they think they're going to beat me. Like they, they, they really believe from the finish of that race that like, oh yeah, we're, we're better. I won't do my bank account and bet it on you if they should, like, if they want to, but I mean, if I was just trying to make good content, yeah, I wanted to keep, I asked Jared, as a Jared, what do you want me to do? You want me to, like, wax these guys or you want me to keep it close? What did you say? Keep it close. And so in my defense, well, not in my defense in my, um, I don't know what I'm looking for. You know, what is real is that, yes, I was letting Brent buy. He was close to me. All right. I got a few laps to go. No problem. I'll let him buy. And then here comes Alex. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, I'm not trying to let two people buy. And then Brent sort of misses the corner. Let's Alex go buy. And now for the last lap and half, I'm pushing Brent to like, go. I got to go. I got like no time left. So it just, I f***ed around and found out. But what's hilarious Travis is that there's comments not saying, oh, this is a professional race car driver. Of course, he let so and so win. It's, well, Alex, how about you race Daniel and an oval next time? Yeah, it's like, they think he's so bad at roadcourses that he loses go. I was just glad you gave Alex a trophy that he can't break. Oh, he can break it. Isn't it? Wasn't just a rubber tire? No, he's going to take my national guitar. That's what I wagered. I, you got to be a man of your word. Can't, you got to pay your best. He really wagered that. I mean, the upside is always going to get his car. I mean, it was funny. They're basically the same value. Did you get the stand? I don't know. I don't know. So like, the fantasy land they do lives then, he's actually like, so here's what we're going to do. We're going to go to boatyard. I'm going to play the guitar and you're going to sing. And we're going to have something I'm like, Alex, what are you talking about? I'm not going to, I'm not going to sing. Like, no, he's like, he got all these grand plans for this guitar. It was funny. It would have been great to take his car. I would have wrapped that thing in something so obnoxious or spray painted it or something. But I guess we'll never know. I got to run it back. You've got it on the sheet here, Travis. I did meet my Texas roadhouse. Nascar officially yesterday. Yeah. So what is this about you in Texas Roadhouse? So I saw that you had a birthday or something there. Did I miss your birthday? No, my birthday is actually tomorrow. I met work last week. And my coworker shows me this video. And it's the people at Texas Roadhouse singing Happy Birthday. And they have Jared on like a saddle. Get it up, buddy. I know it's not Jared's birthday. I'm like, what is going on? It was somebody that knew Jared a fan. And so he went to the roadhouse staff and told them it was his birthday, even though it was it. Yeah, because I was wondering, the footage came from the booth that was beside him. And I'm like, yeah, why were these people videotaping? And how did you get that video? Unless they knew you and then said, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know anyone saw it. Because I was like, in the moment, I'm like, oh, this is going to be all over Twitter. Damn it. It's like, I just be a good sport. I'll play along. It is funny. I'll do it for a bit. But then the night goes on. It doesn't end up on social man, I was like, I don't even look, what did those people want with that video? And the next morning, I'm standing in the do a lot, and. Dale junior cuz they're like hey man heard it was your birthday, Texas Roadhouse It was apparently yes Yes, I had a NASCAR NASCAR NASCAR officials Saulian told them it was your birthday, but checks Texas Roadhouse. It doesn't have to be your birthday Those guys will hand out birthdays for anybody First thing they said when they came to the table anyone's birthday and I haven't had one all day Wow, they just can't wait to do the celebration. Yeah, they just wanted to go for your birthday Yeah, we should go for your actual birthday Sounds good. I used to love going to hooters for our birthday. What's that celebration like? It's pretty good That's pretty good All right, we got a review here from Clint Sappenfield on YouTube I'm not a denny bro, but I do enjoy your podcast especially since you're running up front and hearing you talk about it week after week I hope you don't retire You're gonna be disappointed there Clint sorry about that Appreciate the review Let's see speak of denny bro's t-shirts are coming out and that's in people. Well, I saw them at the track Yep, I got a box of them in my back seat. They're at the track already track. Love it Um, I was really disappointed by the denny bro's chat post-race like I had a very mad race and that was a Less than that they were also it was too a yeah. Oh, that's right. That's right That's not out How about Austin though What's the text the internal optimist here comes Kenny. I and he always thinks like yeah green white checker were 10th We're great. We're gonna win this midnight grab your popcorn boys dh about to put on a clinic out of here I thought that was to the upcoming races no, he's talking about the internet. He's talking about this thing. We're going back green here about to figure it all out It's guy that guy He's an optimist. I mean who's a more who's more optimistic Greg frinelli about life in general or awesome patent about my my on track results maybe who's who's got the rosy color glasses more stuff called I want Greg's glasses on I want to I want to wear his glasses. I don't Austin sir His got to me smudges on it. It's like Ron's camera Um, yeah, I think we need to make a make make this our rap. Yeah, we're gonna see y'all next week