"You Can Say Anything" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

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Harry Styles, you're on burn notice. I'll see you soon. Well, I'll watch you. You can see everything again. I get. Induration. R&P at the two-hour mark. Never, never put my dick away faster. Yeah. R&B just I was like, I can't miss any of this. No washing hands on today. No. No. It's sterile. It's sterile. It's sterile. P is sterile. You're going to love it. Look, man. Oh, I see. Am I on line? Bowen, look over there. How is that culture? Yes. Yes. Let's call Jury Stas. Ding dong, last cultureista's calling. You think? Oh, there's not enough time. There's a lot of lore that's already happened today. We lost the audio. We had this whole beginning of the podcast where it was so good. But what had said that I was looking cute today before the party. I said, Cutie. Cutie. And then I said, we did ding dong, last cultureista's calling. And then I said, you think? Right. Which kind of put it on me to bring people up to speed on what you were referring to. You were put upon. Yeah. Talk about being put upon. Oh, no. I think aren't we all in our everyday lives? There's nothing special about that situation. It's funny how we started the episode before when we had the other audio in like a confusing way for the audience. And now this is still confusing. Speaking of things that are confusing for the audience. Exactly. You can see everything. Well, let's, well, let's, let's table that for now. But this one, this one, unless the title of app gives it away, like, I think we'll spend a lot of time talking about this. This is the movie of the moment. It's the movie of the moment. And we actually, this isn't our first conversation about it because actually behind the scenes, we have a full friendship outside of this. Yeah. And we were on our way to an event last night. And we even endeavored to say the title of this app could be you can say anything. Which is a great title. Wow. A few errant claps from the peanut gallery over there. You can say anything, which is the complete inverse of what is always said these days by, you know, certain comedians or culture folks going, you can't say anything. Yeah, everyone's addicted to their limitations. Oh, I'm addicted to mine. Oh my God. If you're not addicted to your limitations, you're not living in the year of our Lord 2026. And that's a rule of culture. So it goes to number 30. You know, it's interesting that we say you can say anything because last night we went to an event, a cultural event where they sang everything. Everything. And now that was your first time at the opera. First time at the opera. We went to the opening of Lincoln at the bar. Lincoln at the bar, the novel by George Saunders. He was there with his lovely family. We got to sit at a dinner table with him. This was the table. This was the table. George Saunders, Paul Saunders, their lovely children, Caitlin and Alaina Saunders. And then, let's see, we had Mustafa the poet. Wonderful poet. Amy Polar, our beefing podcast rival, Amy Polar. And don't worry. We settled things. We quashed the beef. We squashed the beef. Squashed your quashed. I never know. I think it's squashed. Okay. Is it squashed your quashed? Squashed the beef. The nine that I'm sorry. If it was squashed the beef this whole time. Squashed the beef. Now it sounds like illicit. Like I was squashing beef all my last night. And now what could that mean? I think you know exactly what it means. Don't be obtuse. Quashing beef to me feels like when, you know, it's a little soft on the way in and it just sort of excuse you. You know what I mean? Are you being crude and crossed? I am. We get to do that on this. Everyone can say anything as you can say anything. I guess you can say anything. As you said, when we were announced to stream non-exclusively on who Allune Disney plus, we will still be talking that anal. I will not curtail. And Ena said to me, she said to my my adm, she goes, "Can't wait to hear from them about this." I was like, "Well, you might be hearing from them regularly." Because I'll tell you what Ena, you're not new to this. Last coat is not changing for Hulu, okay? Okay. No, you didn't suggest that. And she reminds me of Elizabeth Holmes. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's a great defense to pretend to be ignorant. You're a Holmes figure. You thought that we weren't going to apply what we saw in the film. You can see everything to our situation, but we are going to. We are absolutely going to. I'm obsessed with the limitation that we have now. Okay, we squash the beef. We squash the beef with Amy. The final two people at our table were, yes, you guessed it. The hottest people in the world. Do Alipa and Callum Turner. And there was a moment where we're sitting across from them. And Callum looks to us and he goes, "How are you guys? It's great to see you. You both look very handsome." Callum, he knows exactly what he's doing and I just looked at him and I said, "Well, I could say the same, sir." Everyone just laughed. He is so hot that it's funny. Well, they both are. I couldn't. I couldn't. I mean, she is. I couldn't look at either of them for longer than 0.5 milliseconds. It's impossible to look at them. They are the hottest people in the world. It's the biggest piece of the hottest podcast. Do you remember that day? She came in. She came in. She was so stunning when she didn't know what Epcot was. Oh my god. A recurring theme on this podcast, Epcot. And what were you doing all night? But resisting the urge, your own limitations. What? Of singing songs, not from, not from Futurnist Algebra, but from Radical Optimism. On an album that I said is my favorite duolipa album and I stand by that ten toes down. Here's what I'm going to say. My favorite duolipa album is Futurnist Algebra but I think that Radical Optimism is right there. It's one of those things that people reacted to too quickly. That's what I'm saying. And I got whatever. I stand by it and that's all you have to do these days. You can say anything if you stand by it. 100%. As long as you stand ten toes down and three inches higher off the ground. I'm pointing to Bowen's lift at you. This is three inches. Okay. I think this is about two. Let me see. Let me do the inch trick. One. It's one and a half. It's one and a half. I'm almost like you've been in Kahoot's with our producers to appear taller. No, no, no, no, no. You have been lying to the public. I've never told the lie in my life. Let's get into it. It was fabulous. I got to tell George Saunders that he's one of my favorite writers ever. Yeah. Also it was Lincoln at the Bardow so it was huge for you, A Mary Todd. To be there. Conradric Amora was there. He was in a big fashion sweater. A sweater that he says he wears in the house, which you would you know is authentic. No, that's kind of weird. No, he doesn't wear that in the house. Conrad. He wore his fashion sweater to the mat with his gorgeous husband. Gorgeous. Honest Abe. Me thinks no. It's actually really culture number four. Honest Abe. Me thinks no. I might gripe with that. Being closeted is lying. Being closeted is my gripe with that show is that the Mary Todd representation was she wore a pink dress. I'll spoil it. It's helped wrong to me. - Yeah. - It felt very wrong. - I guess, yeah, I don't think Mary Todd historically a figure that is known for like her pops of color. - Right, right. - More for like her Mania. - Hermania. - Yeah. - Her BPD. - Her BPD bipolar, I'm sorry. - Don't do that. You cannot come out here and self-diagnose. - Oh, I'm not, do not do it. - I'm sorry. - We are at max with self-diagnosis. - We are, we might be-- - Am I hearing about this? - Yes. - Let's talk about it. - Like as if it was big news. - She's here about this. - No, I was just, I was watching and I knew it was someone else. - You guys hear about this? - Do you hear about this? - Do you hear about this one? - We can't self-diagnose anymore. - Guess we have to go to a medical professional. - Now you gotta go to a doctor to get a diagnosis. Back in my day, you could say anything. You could diagnose yourself with ADHD autism. - Now you gotta go through a patient portal. - I have to go in the patient portal and then waiting's not over. If you think that all your work is done and all your waiting is done on the patient portal, you're gonna hate going to the doctor's office. - Going to the doctor's office where they confirm what I already knew. - What I already knew, they go, are these the medications you're currently taking? I go, don't show me my. - I go, well, are they on the screen? - Are they on the screen? - It's right on the screen. - I typed that in myself. - Why am I repeating myself? And then they tell you, they look down and they say, we think you have ADHD. You go, okay, yeah, I gotta go myself. - So I'm down at myself. - Yeah. - Could it self-diagnose? - All I had to do was log on the internet and see millions just like me, self-diagnosing. - Speaking of, well, I guess there's no self-diagnosis. - Well, I think that she really wants everyone to diagnose her with autism because that would be an amazing defense. - Elizabeth Holmes? - Yeah, let's get into it. This is the thing. Autism does not absolve you. - Well, I think that, okay, so, and by the way, so we're getting into it right now. And I also understand that, and I actually, do you wanna speak to your experience right now? Because, because. - Would you like to leave the room? - Well, I'm saying the movie tomorrow, and I was dreading this problem. - Oh, no, so. - I'm so happy. - Do you want to take a lap? - So, I walk in today, one of our camera ops was like, he goes, you were said, I'm so nervous about spoilers, and I thought, oh, he means like the world. (laughing) - No, you're talking about us. - What you mean is us, and so. - I have a question about your algorithm. Is it, spoiler-free for so far? - Yeah, I've been. - Really? - Meanwhile, mine is inundated. - Well, that's the thing, is it's like, honestly, and that's kind of why I feel like, and you know, at this point when this episode has been released, it will be out for a week. It is monoculture. This is as close as we're gonna get. - I would say so, and I, but I also very much said, you can honestly, I think the camera's not, we're not gonna whack it. - It would be fine. - It would be fine if you left. - No, no, no, this is my job. - No, this is his job. - But we're giving you a. - I don't mind. - Sure, but if you look at it, I, all makes camera. - Honestly, so basically, we want everyone to know. And you guys. - Why do you step out and all open the door and bring you back in? - And this is, this is just. - Yes, yes. - This just goes to show how, how, what a cultural event this is. - No, we don't, we don't want this to, Rachel, have you seen it? - Okay, great. - Okay, great. So, as everyone in here, as everyone in here, - Good if we sort of. - Of course, Trevor. - And we'll see you in a little while. And what we want to. - Keep us all in the cut, by the way. - All right, great. I just want everyone to know that I'm gonna jump in from the future right now, and I'm gonna tell you when, exactly, you can tune back into this episode. If you are not interested in spoilers, we are gonna talk about it because we can't not. - We can't not. - And enjoy me from the future now, telling you information. - Hi everyone, this is producer Becca from the future. Jumping in to let you know that if you want to skip spoilers for Nathan Fielder's, you can see everything. Jump to around the 50 minute mark that should clear you of all spoilers. And if anything, save this episode, come back to after you've seen it. All right, bye bye. - We're back. - We're back. So, hope you enjoyed me from the future. Let's talk. - Okay. - To me, I mean, this is just my algorithm. I'm just like, all everything's been said, that needs to be said about it. But that's just, but I mean, (laughs) and that's why I won't discuss it. - Trevor, come back. - No. - I, I think that's one of, I mean, this is Reasonsy bias, sure, whatever. I've been in Nathan Fielder fans since the beginning. It's so funny. The clip that Billy Evans showed Elizabeth Holmes to convince her to have him do this, like the funny clip at the gas station. I knew exactly what episode that was. It was the scavenger hunt on the mountain. - Yeah. - For the rebate at the gas station, where the gas station owner goes into this wild, left turn about drinking his grandson's pee. It is the perfect distillation of Nathan Fielder's style, which is to compare to John Wilson, which we've talked about. It's like, it is in some ways, I will say this, with love and fandom and admiration for Nathan Fielder, it's a little cynical. It's a little bit cynical, I think. The way he kind of trains the lens on, let's say, quote unquote, like a regular person, which Elizabeth Holmes and Billy Evans are not. And yet, even that, like, he's used to this, he's good at this, he's good at talking to people of all kinds. - Yeah. - I completely understand what he means now, when he says, in press that he's like, I still don't know what happened to me. - Yeah, I think that's because my take on Elizabeth Holmes is that two things can be true. And I think many things are true with her. I think she is a person who's been through something that it would be very difficult to wrap your head around the magnitude of how far her story has traveled, what she has done, what she's responsible for, and the repercussions of all of those things. I also think she is in an emotionally abusive relationship. I also think she is manipulating in the mastermind of this entire thing. - I don't think that should, and this is my thing. I don't think that should be the question that audiences walk away from being like, wow, should I sympathize with her? - Sure, no, I don't think so. - Well, here's the thing. It is a testament to Nathan Fielder, because I agree with you. But it is a testament to Nathan Fielder, and what this film is actually about is, and it speaks to other things we've been talking about, and we were discussing how the year is circling a theme. It is about platform. It is about platform, and what platform is supposed to be doing? - Yes. - And what can do and can do what it should be doing? For example, in the film, we'll start here. So there's a moment in the film where Nathan asks to see the Theranos device, and Elizabeth lays it all out in front of Nathan, and she says, this is it, and he says, so this machine, you claimed, and you still claim this, that it couldn't test for all sorts of diseases, all it needs is the little prick of blood, and she said, yes, it can test for all those diseases. - While she's holding a piece of paper, while she's reading off of it, not maybe because she's had emotional distance from it or something, because it was like a whatever, but it's like she doesn't quite know as she's looking at this, has something to refer to, but yeah. - So she then discusses, he's questioning her, and he's like, but it can't do that, and she was like, no, it can do that. And then they finally arrive at this idea that the machine should be able to do what she said it could do, that she sold as being able to do, but that the chemistry did not exist to interact with the machine, to make these diagnoses, to inform people of what they needed to know about their medical situations. And then you realize that she is thinking of it as a platform, she even calls it a platform, she goes, this is a platform, and it reminded me of the social reckoning, when Zuckerberg was like, it's a platform, I don't control what people do with it. I think of the documentary as exactly that, a platform, and the movie is about when you have a documentary platform or any type of platform, a social networking platform, a medical platform, et cetera. Are you beholden to a specific result? Like, was this documentary in the eye of every audience member supposed to do any one thing? He would argue, and he has thousands and thousands of hours of footage, and what he decided to do was put together something that tried to, in a way, absolve her, and then in the final minutes of the movie, it's, he's confronted about, hey, could it be that you now, as a result of being too close to the subject, are making excuses about this platform, and therefore, sort of putting up your hands and saying, "I'm not responsible for what it is or means or does in the world." And that, to me, is the interesting thing. Yes. The interesting thing is, he's actually asking us, and actually, effectively makes the case, that she may actually just be at the hands of the man in her life, and because she is-- Of which he is. Yeah, and they don't say the words, but they're trying to get across that she's autistic, right? And they're trying to get across that she just doesn't have the emotional capacity to understand something like who's on first, and therefore, can't understand. Yeah, but I don't even think that's-- but yeah. But I guess what I'm saying is, they're trying to give you many different reasons why you actually don't understand her, and why she might be more. more innocent than you think. - I agree with you. And I also, what I'm still thinking about this, what I find so interesting is that all four of the figures and people, characters, whatever, I mean, whatever, we can't really, it's hard to like land on like a term. - Well, they're humans, they're humans, but they are being characterized. - Yes, and so between Nathan Fielder, Amanda Zeifried, Billy Evans and Elizabeth Holmes, the four of them each have moments in the film where they go, well, she said this or actually, did she? Elizabeth, her stuff. She's like, I said this, or did I? Nathan's like, recounting to someone else. She said this, oh, but maybe she didn't, Billy. She said this, oh, but maybe she didn't. The four of them are all contending with like, it's all about her. Like, as much as being written inside about like, oh, the four of them aren't, you know, no one's telling the truth in this movie, but I think what ultimately it's about is no one is telling is able to tell the truth about her. Because she is unknowable in the ways that like this movie is, that's the only certain thing that you will come away from in this movie. - Because even if you can see everything, you can't know everything. - Just why? - You can never do that, which is the comment about the documentary itself. It's like, this is supposed to be like, even her intention is I want you to literally live with us and film with us so people can see the truth. And then that truth, when he realizes that it may be a very well manipulated one, it's a mind fuck because she's so convincing and she's so steadfast in what she doesn't know and what she is unaware of and what she has been misunderstood, that it holistically ends up in this thing where it's like, that's ultimately what it's about. It's that we can never know. Even if you see everything, you can't really know anything. - The title gets obstructed by the horizon on the ocean. - Right. - The aspect ratio is four by three where it feels like peripherally you're missing something. Like, the whole thing is about like, what you cannot possibly see because there's always, just formally it's like, there's something and just in the editing, you know, it's like, you can just go on and on about this. - Yeah. (upbeat music) - I'm Hamza. - And I'm Martin. - And we're the host of Out of Character. It's a podcast. 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It could be in a state, it could be entertainment. - And that is the beauty of reading. It can be all of those things. And considering this is Black Reading Month, the only real question is, what are you reading next? Listen to Black Lit from the Black Effect Podcast Network on an iHeart radio at Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. - My question to you is, do you think Nathan Fielder-Head has romantic feelings really? - I don't think so. I don't think that's what it is. I think what he's trying to show. I think, so there's a moment in the movie. - There's an implication there. - Totally, and I think that they play on that implication to make the film effective. And I will say, this is one of my favorite movies I've seen in some time. - That's what I was gonna say. - Yeah, so just our review of it is very positive. It is surprising, it's shocking. There are, it's really about what happens when you give people a lot of room. Like Nathan gives Billy and Elizabeth so much room, and they reveal everything about themselves. And yet even in doing that, it makes the reality even more confusing. So it's almost like, when you see an entire picture, it is way more difficult to make a black and white call. - Yes. - With more information, does not come more surety. - Well, even unlike the tight close ups, especially in the conversations, in like the important conversations in the film, to like, to my mind, I'm thinking, him asking Billy about how they met, and him not being sure, him the scene from the trailer of like, why would I deceive you? The last conversation he has with Amanda in front of the fire, these are all very tight shots, where it's like, oh, the closer you get to something, the less you know, I think, the reason I ask about if you think she has feelings for her is because I think about this, where she was telling Nathan that like, her way of flirting, like it's kind of played for laughs, and when he asks her, like, well, how do you flirt? Like when you and Billy met, like, how did you flirt with him? She just goes, I just make a lot of eye contact. And then I think what is like, an indelible scene in the movie that we now kind of culturally know since Labor Day, since that trailer dropped is like, is the why would I deceive you where she is unblinking? And it's like, and he's a little disarmed, and it's like, is that, is that, is there like a romancing a seduction there that like he can't help it be pulled into? - I think what, it's not that he has romantic feelings with her. - Sure, sure. - I think he has passionate and strong feelings towards the idea of what happens when he, like, it's more of an obsession with themselves, if that makes sense. It's like, he's like, I'm gonna break the rules and I'm gonna continue to get even more involved with my documentary subject, because he's not like, he's not trying to do something typical with this documentary. I think he's seeing how far he can take things. - Yeah, yeah. - And she presents to him, I want you to go in the ocean with me, and he knows he should say no. But if he says no, then he'll never know how far it could have gone. - So it's less a thing about her, and it's more about the situation. Of course, yes, of course he went in the ocean with her because it's Nathan Fielder It's not just any documentarium. So in that regard, I don't think they have Real romantic feelings for each other in the grander scheme I think the romance is the limit what they're both lusting after is Getting the final word on the situation in themselves. It's like a cat-and-house game. Yeah, yeah, of course Well, oh someone tweeted that I loved like it's so funny because Nathan Fielder and Elizabeth Holmes both think they're bugs bunny Mm-hmm, and Billy Evans thinks he's bugs bunny, but it's actually all more fad. Yeah Well, so that's my take on Billy Evans. Yeah, he isn't a he's an emotionally abusive guy. Yeah, he's horrible He's the he's the type of narcissist who Allows a documentary filmmaker to film him in the shower and can't understand that the audience pull from that is going to be Wow, what a fucking narcissist. Yeah, he can't think beyond how fat his cock is and how good he's gonna look in the shower To think this is gonna make me look stupid and it's gonna reveal a lot about my narcissistic character even to even brushing his teeth while he's in the shower Right, like it's just like it's all it's it's it's far as it's all affected. Yeah, of course, and it's indicated It's indicated even when he is like unblinking He's copying her. Yes, and that is also a thing that like a possessive like emotionally abusive guy does like he is mirroring back to her so that she can feel a sense of Pride in her state of being and she can feel like she has met like an equal in the world and someone who behaviorally like matches her she may he may think she thinks She's met her match, but I think that she is operating on a much higher level I think that she knows it's that in getting in getting Nathan fielder there so that he can get to know her husband The pull is gonna be this woman is an abusive dynamic. She must be have be in a pattern of abuse of She that that's what she wanted to present. I think she Is manipulating every single part of this? Absolutely because I think she lets herself off the hook when she says I was just when I wore all that makeup and had to do all those had to get my picture taken It's like no you if you were a person that hated the limelight you wouldn't invite Nathan fielder to live with you 16 hours a day You wouldn't exit 1000 percent you would not You would not be so image conscious to dress like Steve Jobs to lower your voice like you if you hated that then you would be You would not present at all and or you wouldn't present in such an affected way You would not get your picture taken by AI cameras like in like a fucking chamber of cameras like you would not What she also penned on him right and I think that the image and the narrative of her in that in though in that 360 camera Because he said so is supposed to make us feel like wow this person is like reduced to almost like a test subject But that is by Design what they pin things on each other. Yeah, which is why I come away from maybe thinking well I believe that they are really in love and that they do share a consciousness I think that billion Elizabeth are in a relationship that works for them And I think that what people may not understand is that this is her choice to be there But not only because she's in love whatever that means to someone like her. They would build statues for each other Yes, but go but I'm sorry. I cut you off. No, this this is a perfect cover. I know I know for her to be for her two things For her to plead ignorance like this to the point where it's like no, I swear to God I don't understand emotional complexity. I'm sorry. I just don't I don't know what I've been through I can't understand any of it. She's crying when she watches the dropout, but yeah, right? She gets she she's she does she gets it She does she understands subtext complexity dynamics between people etc. She knew what that was But when you combine the fact that she is With an emotionally abusive partner and remember she had children with him very quickly Mm-hmm to anchor him her to him. Yes, so she's got an anchor to someone that anyone can see plan his day is an emotionally abusive person But no one can do anything about it. Not even her completely deflated like parents But the audience sees it and it's the possibility of exactly what you said them leaving and saying wow I really sympathize with her, but she knows what she's doing That's why she had Nathan field or come yeah, and she also uses language that I really want people to look out for in their real life When someone puts a burden on you and then says to you repeatedly I trust you I trust you I trust you what they are asking you to do is to continue to Operate in their interest and not yours because if you were to break that it means you're an untrustworthy person It's the same thing as your 100% right and it's the same thing as Putting a time limit on it. It's being like this we need to we need to make a decision about this now Or you need to do you need to do this now exactly which in some ways is also the pretense of the whole movie being made Which is you need to get the cameras in before I go to prison Like we're on a time limit like it is Nathan fielder kind of operating under Yeah, so you know a time out or limitation limitation Um, yeah, but um, I will say what what I can't stop thinking about And I really don't know what to make of it is when he brings Amanda to the house. Yep There's that there's a there's a shot of them in the ocean together Really? I like recall correctly Like in between like when you know after she like makes the eggs and after like she kind of they reenact certain things Um, I do believe there is a there is a moment where it cuts to Nathan in the ocean with Amanda Really? I didn't notice that and I wonder if it's them just being like let's go in the water to see what I feel like Like we're by the beach like what do you do with the beach you go in the water or if it's like an attacit thing that we can't know as an audience member Uh, where it's like was that a reenactment that Nathan that something he revealed later of something he revealed to Amanda Which is we I did go in the water with yeah, yeah, yeah I believe I'm like 80% sure that happened because I'm I was with it the whole fucking time This is the reason why I say it's one of my favorite Movie going experiences ever is because I was just like by myself Um And I was I was just gripped every single moment. Yeah Didn't check my phone once which I hate that that's like a badge of honor. Yeah But um a lot of movie you never check your phone once. That's something ran to pee at the two-hour mark Never never put my dick away faster. Yeah, um ran back Just I was like I can't miss any of this no washing hands on today. No I know it's right back into that role. P is sterile. You're gonna love it. Yeah, um, I just Yeah, moment to moment. I just really I don't know. It's just it's the air hangs so heavy. Yeah every single moment about there's been like some discussion about like how It's gonna perform it like the Oscars and stuff for me. It's like a definite best picture nominee I think it walks away with the documentary award. Well, but then there's the you know, and then I think in terms of the Amanda of it all I think Amanda cipher deserves a nomination for this and supporting actress because they are campaigning her. It is allowed. Mm-hmm, and I just think You know, it'd be one thing because I was watching it and I had known that they were talking about running whoever the surprise actress was in supporting actress I knew that was what it was And then when I watched it I'm watching it the whole time and I was like well that would feel a little gimmicky because she's playing herself here And in most of the more she is herself here in most of the movie and the reenactments are you know I like them because I recognize that she did a great performance as Elizabeth Holmes but then in that final yeah scene There's a scene at the end of the movie where he has to reenact his last conversation with her in person at the federal prison where she's at and a man His performance is so Terrific those lips were chapped as fucked chapped as hell Not only was it just like great acting performance, but also for me It strengthened the entire film and the mission of that film which is to present a compelling enough case That would leave you in a state where you've seen everything but no Even less and I feel like because she's able to Really drop into the emotion of that moment and provide a compelling conduit for that relationship in that moment. It sends the movie into the stratosphere It's an acting performance that conveys like this irreducible thing about like sorry like what it is to be human And like in this particular case, it's like I don't we no one quite knows what that is except that you know We're all unknowable in some way But like I agree. I think the documentary there's a conversation about the the best documentary category being tough because the documentary branch of the academy is quite fastidious than personality That would be like this isn't a real thing sure. I mean to to their own detriment Yeah, I agree that would be if they want to get it that far up their own ass like that would be to their own detriment because this to me absolutely Open the documentary genre. I mean like it's so inspiring So many young people are gonna watch this that are aspiring to be filmmakers and they are gonna be so galvanized by something like this. That's kind of beside the point. My thing is, because for me, it's like definitely getting that nomination whether it wins will see. Best picture I think is now kind of a foregone conclusion now that it has these reviews and all this narrative and this box office. For me with Amanda, it's like when do you ever get to see someone reckon with their performance, understand what it means in the world in a larger context, hear feedback about it, be introduced new information on camera, begin a new process and execute that performance only to again reckon with the situation. That to me is like, it's never been done before. It's never been done before. And she's also so good in the movie as herself. Like her rosé drunk in that man's house, saying Charlie Kirk was a pussy. - Iconic. - Like that pushed him and also anyone being like, 'cause of course, you know who I saw, like the most intellectually dishonest person in media, Megan Kelly. - You love her. - I can't, I, she's fascinated by her Elizabeth. - I'm fascinated by her because I think her media narrative, like for me, it's just like talk about platform. - That's what she did a whole video essay about. - Oh, I watched the whole thing. I DMed him about it. I thought it was incredible. Him, Francesca and Emma, that was by the way, in a world where we're still saying this, my Avengers, like they did such a compelling, like almost two over two hour video essay on Megan Kelly, basically about how like, she was a sell out to Fox News, then she was a sell out to NBC, and now she's just a sell out to the male gaze. She's just a sell out to the patriarchy. She is, she'll say whatever it is that she needs to say, to satisfy whatever big dollar is coming from, and she does it under the guise of having like a strong perspective and like strong, like moral convictions, but when those moral convictions change every five or six years, that's not true, my love. So anyways, you call her my love, you love her. - Well, you know, I love everybody. We love everybody. - I'm Hamza. - And I'm Martin. - And we're the hosts of Out of Character. It's a podcast, I know. There's a lot of them to listen to these days. How are you gonna get to us? Well, there's a specific reason why you should listen to us. - We are the best podcast in the entire world. I swear. - I know, bold. But why don't we list some of the things we might talk about on a regular episode? 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They won't knew that I did the scary boogie stuff and this is maybe she'll find out where this girl is. Listen to the Devil's Quarry season two on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the Devil's Quarry season two add free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava For Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. - Is there an epidemic against literature? - Our books are being banned, scanned by AI and destroyed. I'm Jack Weiss-Peace Thomas, and on this season of the Black Lit Podcasts, we're outside asking some of the custodians of our stories, teachers, and our modern day writers, why? - They don't want a whole bunch of little elevators, Malcolm X's and Martin Luther King's on their own. - So is the war on literacy and information or our ability to connect? - Well, people with a know-how sexy reading is then how fun they could be and not always associated with education. They could be in a state, they could be entertainment. - Listen to Black Lit from the Black Effect Podcast Network on our iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. - Hey, what's up y'all, it's Questlove. And on the Questlove show, I've been sitting down with some really interesting people. And I've got two recent episodes you should check out. I caught up with my good friend, Jojo, and talked about her music, her career, and what she's been up to. Someone's gonna try to sing, leave get out or too little too late, or baby too, and I'm gonna be like, okay, cool. - I also caught up with Wala-267 for a conversation that covered his story, his perspective, and plenty more. I'm not doing that. Go Wednesday. This is what you do. Sleep later, make a reservation for the rest of my life. Just chill, listen to the music you wanna listen to. Just enjoy it, it's gonna be all right. Nothing's gonna have you a week. We got Wednesday, goodbye, ah, you gonna feel better. Listen to the Quest Love Show on the iHeartRadio app, app podcast, wherever. Peace. - But she, of course, got on her platform, and she was like, you just can't go to the movies anymore without Hollywood shoving this down your throat. Someone I cared about, Charlie Kirk, et cetera. Mama, he brought it up. Billy Evans brought Charlie Kirk up. - Yeah, yeah. - If you watch the movie-- - As a way to get an Amanda. - 100%. He's sitting there with Amanda who he clearly doesn't respect for the same reasons that anyone would make a blind assessment on someone based on what they saw in the media. So he says to her, she's just pissed, 'cause she's just an actress, and she got dragged 'cause of Charlie Kirk. She didn't bring up Charlie Kirk. - She didn't bring up Charlie Kirk. - Nathan didn't bring up Charlie Kirk. So this isn't the Hollywood machine. - Shaving Charlie Kirk down your throat. This is this guy with your dude in his mouth, trying to, and just because he's an unsavory character, and he happens to stand your fave, doesn't mean the movie should be. - It's classic, Darvo, narcissist, and him saying, what it sent, what almost got me out of my seat, and like, what almost got me out was him saying, I'm better red than you. - Yeah, of course that guy says that. - He's not smart enough to not. - No, exactly. - She is so, she is watching a biochemistry video on three times speed is not reading. You fucking know. - No, that was crazy. He's not, he's not, I'm just about two times speed now. Two times speed is different than one times, one point five times speed. - Thank you. - One point five times speed, and this is real, is saving time. - Yeah. - Two point zero times speed is a waste of time. - Well, it's like pure technocrat, optimization. One point five speed is a convenience, is me being a center to the technology. Two point five and above is you being a reverse central. - Well, that's the thing is like, when you're listening to two point zero time speed or above, it's like, all you wanna do is say you listen to it. All you wanna do is say you're aware of what was being given to you. You're not attempting to understand it because you've eliminated, and I also do think it's very telling about the elimination of human thought, process, pause. It's like, you're not interested in the humanistic communication of these ideas. You're interested in receiving the information so that you can have it, and then probably weaponize it. - Weaponize it. This is why again, you're gonna love the story of your life. - Which I got. - She has a whole thing where she goes like, honestly, podcasts might be like, the saving grace of social, she doesn't say that out right, but she goes, podcasts are just conversation, and with conversation, you can like, awkwardly stumble through a thought, you can take something back, you can move forward, you can find commonality, you can find disagreement. It's like, that is something that social media can ever capture. - Yeah. - Anyway. - Well, it's true, it's, I mean, which is what it's like. - I enjoy in this podcast when people talk over each other. I like when people stutter. I like when people say the wrong word. - Yeah, yeah. - Because to me, it's like, I think that's why, - That's what life is, that's what communicates, yeah. - When you are flying through something just to receive information, like you really could just like read it, or you really could just, you know, like you could consume it as like purely content. - Right, and the guy is, I mean, not to say he's barely human, and I think he's one of the, he's incredibly human because his full spectrum of all his flaws and like indulgences and ugly, and you know, attractive things are on display here, but he's doing himself a huge disservice by being this transparently who he is, because he's gonna see this, and I don't know if he's gonna wanna like learn from it, but that guy's got problems. - Oh, yeah. - Problems that like even she doesn't have, because at least she knows exactly who the fuck that she is, even if she's in jail, she's gonna get out in a couple of years, and if enough people within the next year. - Yeah, and she has a whole other life she does. Like this is not the last act for her. This is the last act for the whole year. - As I said before, I think she is, she is to me like one of the most fascinating Americans in industry. - She's going to have, there's gonna be, this is not the final chapter on her. - I thought you- - She knows that. - Just to be, just to, I was watching the movie, I was like, there's some, you were, you were telling me about some appearance by a woman. Before I said the movie, I was like, I was watching the movie the entire time, I was like, is Jen Shaw going to, like take over this film? - Jen Shaw was the only thing I thought was missing. - I agree. - Yeah. - I agree. - And I said that as a joke, but now I'm thinking about it and I'm like, kind of not, because for her to become besties with a real housewife of Salt Lake City fraudster, who was horrible at covering up who she was. - Right, right. - You know what I mean? I wonder if Elizabeth Holmes taught her - Also when she invited cameras into her life. - Right, exactly. - Like they, they're the same strain of fucking, like wild existence in the modern, like, they look at me, don't look at me. I mean, right. - Variety should do a frauds on frauds, like they do actors on actors, and it should just be-- - And it used to be the first guest. - Yeah. - Jen Shaw, Jen Shaw and Elizabeth Holmes in conversation. I watched three hours of it. - Oh, fat. - Three, I'll watch it. You can see everything again in duration. - Well, you see it again. I kind of want to see it again. - I was planning on seeing it again for this, because it begged the tickets are-- - They're gone. - And I also, I saw sense and sensibility. - Oh my God, tell us. You were telling me last night. - Well, or do we feel that we've covered you can see everything? - Let's bring Trevor back. I do want to say, like, and I texted you about her, because I was like, someone we've always stands, is solidified in the culture of stand-up. - I think she's always been solid, but yeah. - She is so important to our culture. - She, and literally, it's Halloween, and I just keep, when I was watching the movie, I was like, oh, this is the woman who gave us-- - Yes. - I'm a mouse. - Yeah, duh. - I mean, okay, so you're back. We hope you didn't hear anything through the walls. - I didn't hear a single thing. - Okay, amazing. - You're watching tonight. - We'll see you tomorrow. - Tomorrow. - You're seeing it tomorrow. Okay, we'll try. So guys, welcome back. If you are joining us now, we talked about, you can see everything, which you should absolutely say, it's one of our favorite movies. Maybe even ever. - Maybe even ever. I will just say that this is not a spoiler, but the other reason why this was one of my favorites, I guess favorites is also a weird word, but like most memorable cinema experiences was, as soon as the movie was done. I mean, this is a very reactive, raucous audience. As soon as the movie was done, everyone shoots up out of their seats, silently files out. - Yeah. - I'm like, what the fuck? I mean, 'cause I think we were all on one level, I was like, what did I just watch? What do I think of this of like, I need to process everything. On the end, there was like, as Tina says, like there's nothing creeper than a group of adults, not saying anything. - Yeah. - A group of adults being silent. - I think, and you know, not to spoil, because we said we wouldn't. I think it's just very uncomfortable to sit with the reality that's something you believe to be true, may not be true, and that is unsettling, you know what I mean? Because regardless of what you feel about what she is done, and there is a human being there, and there are children there, and there, and I mean, again, I think about her parents. Like, it's just a really, it's fucking fascinating and you must. So, then I saw sense and sensibility. - Oh my God. - I can't believe you've never read it. - I'm not, it's a huge sort of hole in my reading. - This is, and I wanna apologize. I, on behalf of, so. - On behalf of who? I think just yourself. - Just me, yeah, I don't know. I just wanted to-- - That was interesting. - I wanted to get myself-- - Try to make it bigger than him. - Well, on behalf of-- - That's a pluralized responsibility. - On behalf of anybody who thinks of you is like, 'cause I sent you a lovely email that I got from one-- - This is very meaningful to me. - From one's 80 Smith, who has been a reader, a finalist for years now. - Which is the most flattering thing I could ever think about. - She, she said to me, she goes, "What's wild to me? I'll just read it. Can I just read this email?" - Would Zaty be okay with this? - I think so. And this is, Zaty Smith is like a no-subject queen, no-subject. A thing I find crazy is Matt can deconstruct digger and social reckoning, literally like a Harvard grad, but refuses to read a book. Maybe he, maybe if he read a book, it would just be too dangerous and he'd become president or something. Thoughts? - Well, as you all know, it is never a bad time to stand up for what's right. And I want to take this opportunity to announce that I am running. - Yeah! - Hi, I am excited to turn this country in a new direction, which I'm gonna decide what direction that is later, but I will be running for president of the United States in 2028. I am the first democratic hopeful to announce, and I just wanna say that if AOC runs, I'll drop out. (laughing) I think we have a lot of the same stuff going on. So if she wants to run, I will drop out, but if she doesn't run, I'm running. - I love that. - And I'll just, my platform is hers. - There you go. - Trust. - Or you guys figure something out where she donates a million dollars to you. - We'll figure something out either way. - I do think that next year is the year of AOC on last culture. - Okay. - Should we announce who is gonna be on the episode? No, maybe we should. - Next week? - Maybe our Hulu debut. - Oh my God. - No, we can't say. - No, we can't say. - We can't because. (laughing) - Even if she can hurt her head for her bed. - Aino, it isn't Aino enough for her. - Aino's enough. - So anyway, we have an amazing guest for November 18th, which is our Hulu debut. - We have an amazing guest. - We have a great guest. - But anyway, yeah, oh, sense and sensibility. You never read it. - Never read it. - I never saw the Inglie movie. - Wow. - Yeah, I told you this a lot. - Oh yeah, you did tell me this. You've never seen it. Oh God, it's so good. Emma Thompson and Kate Winslet. Emma Thompson won a writing Oscar for adapted screenplay for her adaptation of Jane Austen sense and sensibility. Bowen Yang and I are no strangers to a Jane Austen adaptation. Fire Island, if you don't know, was an adaptation by Joel Kombuster of Pride and Prejudice, also by Jane Austen, and sense and sensibility is sort of the sister novel to it. I was really excited to see it because I love a rainy Sunday period movie. - Was it raining on Sunday when he saw it? - It was like a light mist. And Patrick Folling and I saw it like, because I felt spiritually like he and I would enjoy it. - No, absolutely, he's the exact right person. - And so, you know what was funny is like, I loved it, I just love like, it's just so funny when a woman is like, in the period times and they're like, you mustn't speak your wants. And then the other sister is like, I, but I want. And she's like, well, you mustn't speak it. - One must. - Yeah, sense and sensibility. - Yes, yes, yes, yes. - You love one must. - One must, restraint. (laughing) - Well, I said, you're kind of sense and I'm kind of sensibility. - Yeah, sure. - In many ways. - You are Daisy and I am the other one. - So, their names are Maryam and Eleanor. - I mean, your Kate Winslet and I am Emma Thompson. - Correct, yeah. - So, basically what happens in sense and sensibility is like, there's-- - Why don't you tell everyone what happens in sense? - Why don't you tell everyone what happens in sense and sensibility? - Well, people were killed. - No, nobody was killed. - Nobody was killed. - Nobody was killed? - Okay. - People almost die in it. - People almost die in it all the times. - Because we've been referencing that moment of Tamar teeing up Derek Berry. - I have a problem with the fact that there's no Aaron here and I'm gonna die, open the door. - Now. - It's a little hot. - It is a little hot. - I'm suffocating. - Do you guys feel a little hot in here? - No, but we're burned for the lights, so maybe that's it. - No, yeah, I know, but it's just like, you know. - Anyways, some people, okay, but, okay, yes. So, your and your Kate Winslet and I am Emma. - I feel this is true because I feel like just so people that don't know, it's about these sisters. They're a family of women and their father passes away and they receive word that he has pretty much disinherited them and given all his money to their half-brother. So, the half-brother and his like horrible wife come and they like take over their home. But then they get introduced to the horrible wife's brother. - Who's the hottie? - Who's the hottie and lovely and he is, you know, [BLANK_AUDIO] an interest between him and the older sister Eleanor who's played in this movie by Daisy Edgar Jones and then the original Anglic movie by Emma Thompson and basically they have this whole like stuffy like we're standing three feet away from each other and isn't it lovely to be with such a fine person? Yes and there's like the tension simmering between them and it's like so thick and then literally at the very end like they're like we believe he may ask for a hand and then like he doesn't and it's devastating and horrible meanwhile the younger sister is like sort of like a wanton like sort of like she's like out there she's like you know she's like you know she's like gall eventing about she like wants love badge she meets Willoughby who's like this sort of like fuck boy type and you can tell him from a mile away and he like low-key love bombs her but oftentimes and bounces and then she gets so upset about it that she like essentially lays in a grassy field while it rains and becomes gravely ill and that feels more like me I think we both have equal propensity to be gravely ill so I'm I'm not talking about like I guess it's the way they became gravely ill it's like the elder sister Eleanor you can tell that she will sit and she'll sit and like let herself like be miserable internally I loved it I love Daisy Edgar Jones and she said that she said in interview it's her goal to make rainy day movies like Sunday rainy day movies and I was like well well done she's got me by the throat and she was the star of twisters she was star twisters she did a great American accent I would say she's really good I would say normal people as a as a rainy day show she does rainy day stuff and I really want more people to be saying three words Daisy Edgar Jones and you know who's also good that's three letter three words Esme Creed Miles who plays the younger sister does the Kate Winslet role yes and she is the daughter of Samantha Morton amazing mm-hmm I thought I thought you said Samantha Mamba I got whoa Samantha Mamba I do want to meet her daughter I want to meet her yeah I hope so that's nepotism I want yeah oh for sure if there's a young Samantha Mamba she should she should receive the privileges of NEPO and become a star well her name is Jade stop it no I'm kidding oh my god the singer Jade to me feels like no and that's actually not fair Jade Jade is I think Jade is so much more expansive than Samantha Mamba got the opportunity I just think I just think Jade just has like the verb we tried to get Jane on the Jade we fucking we've been fighting to get Jade on this podcast what happened with that Anna yeah it'll happen yeah yeah oh speaking of music yeah I wanted to mention the Rachel Gina Rea album no well the Rachel Gina Rea album is amazing yes I think I spoke to soon so good so good and I love the broken chair song very good I I'm really into her also her music videos are I'm a kind of sort of a new fan oh yeah she's wonderful love because I remember um she was actually in contention a couple years ago for a best-new artist nomination at the last culture east of cultural arts and then we decided that we wanted to make it more of a joke right and that we we we couldn't we we weren't gonna be facetious yeah no it would be weird to name like four jokes and 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season 2 of the devil's quarry listen to the devil's quarry season 2 on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and to hear the devil's quarry season 2 add free with exclusive content subscribe to love a for good plus on apple podcasts is there an epidemic against literature more specifically black literature our books are being banned scanned by AI and destroyed I'm Jack wee's peace Thomas and on this season of the black lit podcasts we're outside asking some of the custodians of our stories teachers and our modern day writers why they don't want a whole bunch of little elevators my complex is a lot with the King's on the ground they want to build children who have no empathy that's really the ultimate goal we want both that don't make white kids feel bad so is the war on literacy and information or our ability to connect and what people to know how sexy reading is then how fun they could be and not always associated with education it could be in a state it could be entertainment and that is the beauty of reading it can be all of those things and considering this is black reading month the only real question is what are you reading next listen to black lit from the black effect podcast network on our iHeart Radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast hey what's up y'all it's Questlove and on the Questlove show I've been sitting down with some really interesting people and I've got two recent episodes you should check out I caught up with my good friend Jojo and talk about her music her career what she's been up to don't invite me to karaoke I'm gonna make it weird someone's gonna try to sing leave get out her too little too late or baby to you and I'm gonna be like okay cool I also caught up with Wallace 267 for a conversation that covered his story his perspective plenty more I don't even call it cheat day because of life day I'm not doing that don't try to be slick and just go Sunday go Wednesday this what you do sleep please make a reservation for the rest of our lady just chill listen to the music you want to listen to just enjoy it it's going to be alright nothing's going to have you awake wake up Wednesday goodbye are you gonna feel better and those are just two of the many recent episodes of the Questlove show listen to the Questlove show or the iHeart Radio app apple podcast wherever you get your podcast peace but speaking of best new artists two grilies who have won it have maximized their joint pop girl slay expectations chapel row and Olivia Rodrigo I was watching it with Melissa everyone else wishes mmm I watch Olivia these days and I'm like everyone else wishes you just go this just the the the the outlook on the future is so clear and then the um reverence for the past or just like the history of music that it's important to her is so clear there is not a thirsty bone in her body and what I love about Olivia Rodrigo which I kind of realized earlier is it's like she's not obsessed every single and I'm not dragging anyone else because I think there's so much value and so much fun in the era thing of it all but she's not saying like look what I've become this time no look what I am this time her thing is look what I'm becoming like watch the artists that I am growing into like all of her albums feel like evolutions and it's not to say that there's not something so I mean presiding over us today we have the immaculate collection which is you know Madonna is obviously the queen of reinvention but what I like about Olivia is she's doing something else which is like equally viable and sometimes even more satisfying which is she is marinating and evolving and becoming every day like more the artists that she is and you know what you're gonna get but it still feels surprising in the minutia in the emotional growth in the musical you know step she takes and for her to team up with chapel Dan not grow is just like he's just the coolest and like to shake his hand I like to shake his And I'd like to fluff hit the back of he's got like a mullet a little mullet. He's a long island guy Yeah, you guys are you guys are you guys are musically talented people I saw him up the daisy chain fields festival and I got intimidated and I I was like I kind of want to go Say hi to him, but then I got nervous Do a cal if you can talk to do it and cal him you can talk to anyone. I just the music video is so good game shows We love it. We love a game show. I bring. Yeah, bring him back Bring him back bring him back also who's doing four music videos for an album? I know I guess that that that that that comes down to the economics and the label of it all totally yeah That's actually so true. Yeah, yeah, but what I guess like I mean the VMAs did her kind of dirty I'm sure I was like mmm. She was the video artist of this year She I mean like between drop dead which she literally shot at Versailles. Mm-hmm like that wasn't gonna get a Music video over the year. No, the girls are doing stuff at Versailles. Carly No, no, no, I'm not and I'm not yeah, you're right fuck her fuck Olivia. Yeah, I'm kidding. Fuck her I love starting feuds now. Yeah. Well, I mean it went over great with well It didn't go over grip with Amy and I feel closer to Amy the number. Oh no She said she would love to be in a field with us for the Golden Globe. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah We can we can we can keep this going we can keep this go wing. Yeah, um and then What else was I gonna well like I'm just I'm kind of in my my book my reading era well speaking of reading So we're gonna have we're gonna have them on next week. So they're coming on They're coming they're they're coming on this so when by the time this comes out They'll be out this Wednesday this upcoming Wednesday. Yes, so this is I want to be famous when everybody Yeah, nobody is a celebrity by Bobby Finger and Lizzie Weber who you know from who weekly? This is how you do a both like a cultural Book and just like a Podcast to book adaptation, which we are you know thinking about yeah as we write ours I mean this is fantastic. So basically this is about like essentially. It's about celebrity and the Change in how celebrity is pursued as the attention economy has needed to change and as the you know Ways in which we receive and encourage celebrity has changed like actually over the decades like I didn't know so much about what they talked about in this book in regards to like so well research the way that the early movie studios Like really relied and worked with like head a hopper Etc. People that were in the gossip and tabloid industry like actually had a real relationship with Movie studios etc to create stars because what you needed to do in the OG days when you weren't just receiving Information all the time from social media is you actually as a consumer needed to hear about the lives of these celebrities from like a Well a person exactly a list so that you could care enough to go to their movies right which yeah And we'll bring this up with them. They're we're recording after this episode tapes, but I just I'm obsessed with Denzel Washington telling Michael Jordan like why would they pay to see you in a week and when they see you during the week Which honestly like feels like very old Hollywood Denzel Washington was famous at a time when that was vice Yeah, you know what I mean because they talk well basically the whole thing is like there's people who are them's and there's people who are who's And I'm sure that there's a lot of crossover with the last culture and who weekly them who that's not true It literally is because you are like a household name that doesn't need and I think at the opera last night How many people came up to me and they were like I know you from somewhere? I think so when they come in here We're gonna ask them and you're gonna have to receive that you're a them and you can't fight it Because you're bow and yang no one that's the star of O'Marie Outside of maybe a couple examples name like like if you're the star of O'Marie and the star of SNL And they give you like a send-off with Sharon Ariana Grande and you're in wicket. You're kind of a them, huh? If you're one of the co-hosts of lost culture. No, you're doing it again You like you have to let me you have You have to Allow room for them's and who's that's what the whole book is about. I'm gonna bring this up I'm gonna bring this up on their episode. Should we think of a prank? We haven't we've been done like a not a prank We've been done like a game in a while. Yeah, what should we do? Should it be this? We just keep hitting the book. No, I feel like I feel like engineers gonna hit they're gonna hate it You're always thinking about like I think no specific What if we hold the book upside down every single time we can we pick it up guys read the book? This is so and then and at what if they ever point out that it's upside down just go. Oh, yep Sorry about that and then do it and then the next time you pick it up to it again Okay, that's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. This is so good. This is such a good book and then honestly No one give away because we're gonna keep doing it. We're gonna keep doing it. Let it happen three times. Okay, okay No one Glaf when it happens what I want to bring up to them is I think both of us are Them's to who's and who's to them's Not you you were them to them's I Will not allow you to do this You are them to them. So you got were honored at the Academy Museum Gala Like this thing that isn't there now trying to make like the Met Gala of the West and like the true beginning of Oscar Right, so there was four people that got honored at that and one of them was you like you know I mean like you're a them and that's fine. That's good. We need both like I I as a who make it possible for you to You need you should be not telling me like that we're on the same level You should be thanking me for being an entertainment industry bottom feeder so that I can keep The industry of which you on which you preside going you've read sense and sensibility and I haven't what is that up to do with anything? I'm I'm I'm the bottom feeder I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm on red Billy Evans would say that to your limitations. You are addicted to your limits Evans is better read than me Damn it. Oh Sorry spoiler Trevor. It's not a spoiler. He the I will spoil you on this everything. He listens to he listens to it at 2.0 speed. Oh, but I think it's I think it's faster than I think it's at least three You'll see that's interesting. It's a bit of a texture in the film. You'll see it was so and they did it more than once because he really wanted You didn't know that detail about him right? Yeah My fate what was your favorite chapter in the book hard to choose I would say the podcasting one was very interesting as as people as people who are Castors. I think the NEPA baby one was interesting. I think the I learned the most from the gossip one, which is where they talk about Lil Parsons had a hopper into Lis Smith into Perez Hilton into and to Dimon Popgrave. Yeah My my favorite was the 20 20 10s killed the cover star, which is chapter two because I I feel like Yeah, I'm planning to say about that. Yeah, it's it's just It's just it really also the Heidi and Spencer of it all yes, and also the way that like The book is great because it actually reminds you like you're reading it and you're having fun and you're like, oh, yeah Like it's so funny like how things have changed like the attention economy et cetera, and then it's like Donald Trump became president Right, you know what I mean? And it's like it feels like it was written for you specifically the all the references I mean their lambs their Swifties. They're writing about Elizabeth Stolarsky into Hasselback. Oh god Like no that was so real and I was really I when I when I started that chapter I was like oh my god They're actually gonna get into the Elizabeth Hasselback of it all because she is a perfect case study for Who becoming of them. Yeah, and also had she wanted to continue in media She would have been very powerful of course very, but she's also a wag where she doesn't need to To keep it pop coach. Okay Top five things we want to see from the girls Episode reboot, which was just announced. Okay, and so I reached key Are we keeping this game going where I heart pays us $50 if we land on the same number one? Yes, okay So the way this like we both have to have one thing we both have to in unison say we want the same thing because originally Because like the I mean originally we've only done it once but originally originally meaning Bowen's original idea for it And I just want to I just want to go out there. Yeah, yeah, it was just like us like objectively ranking rather than Listing our wants and hopes and dreams for something. Mm-hmm. So I would as an alternative It can also be like the top five girls moments of all time Feels like that would be repeating things we've set on the podcast many times Whereas this could be like an exciting and how will we how will we mind meld about the same thing to want? I think this is gonna be one of those things where we do it and it's more fun than you realized and you're gonna Happy no doubt it'll be fun. I'm very happy to do. I'm just kind of I want some parameters Let's let's try it and if by three it feels like it's not working. We'll do top five girls moments of all time This is okay. What are you looking forward to number five? I'm looking forward to seeing The very high-powered job that shows Shaz yes. Oh my god need this that what do you think it is in what industry? I want to say it's PR mm-hmm, but that feels too easy I think I think they they're they're so far ahead it lean is so far ahead of us on this I think she wants to do I think I think it'll end up being like lifestyle guru or like luxury travel agent, hospitality, queen, something, something in that sort of space. - Yeah, my guess is, I think she's gonna be a partner at UTA. - Oh, that's fun. - Number four for me, thing I'm looking forward to most of our girls, hearing how badly it ended with Jessa and Adam, because Adam Driver's obviously not doing the show. - Sure, right. - And understanding what went wrong there, and where it's left, Jessa. And I wonder how much of a big deal they make it. And like, wondering how the fuck, like you figure Jessa and Hannah back in together. - I'm, right, oh, that's interesting. That's more interesting than the Adam fallout, where it's like, they will handle it in a way that like is sort of sleeker than the way and just like that handle big and Samantha being, if not super present. - Yeah. - I mean, with a big thing obviously, like we know what happens, but okay, that's great. - Number three. - Number three. Just really, I think they have the power to really like wipe, dime square off the map forever. I don't know, that seems a little pernicious. I don't want that, I don't wish that. - Yeah. - How do we feel about this at three? - Oh yeah, you're right. - Oh, oh, I'm sorry. - No, no, no, we never really said we'd check in at three. - I feel good about it. I think you want to finish this. - We can finish it. I was just saying we'd check in at three. - Of course. - Let's finish it. - Number two. Alex Carpopsky, "Sexines." - You're looking forward to that. - Oh yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Can't wait to see that, Kingfuck. - And number one. - Number one. - We know. - The number one thing we're looking forward to. - Alina Dunham acting again. - I was gonna say, "Marnie Michaels radicalized "in some political. " - Oh, I love that. - I think "Marnie Michaels" maybe she like as a producer for "Making Kelly." - No, that would never happen. But "Marnie Michaels" honestly, I think "Marnie" is probably part of like a cult. - She's definitely, well, I think Jessa is the one that's most susceptible to a cult because she swears she's not. And she's the most like wayward. And I feel like "Marnie" is the type of girl who watches so many cult documentaries. That she's like super, super, super educated about it. And yet, isn't like another corporate structure that like is a cult. - Right, oh, that's fun. That's fun. Like she like, not goop. - Right, but I would love though, if like they just went fucking and made her like a hugely successful actress. - Oh, I would say that's you want in the end. - 100% that's what it should be. And it should be. - Or singer or pop whatever. - That's what it should be. It should be, she's a really successful actress. She actually made it and they're trying to convince her to do an album and it's triggering because she's sure of her music career the first time. - 'Cause guess what? By the girls finale, we were pounding the pavement, still are, we were like, all right, let's just keep this going. And weren't really sure if anything was gonna happen. - Well, I guess Hannah's gonna have a full. - Hannah's had a full. - Get 10-year-old? How long has it been? - At 2018. - Whoa. - So she'll have an eight-year-old or a nine-year-old by the time it comes out, depending on if-- - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I'm thinking-- - See, that's Hannah and child scenes are gonna be fantastic. They're gonna find a great actor for that kid. - Yeah. Oh, that's gonna be good. - I hope Rizamah makes a return. - I would love to see Rizamah. By the way, I don't think I mentioned it, but Rizamah is so good in digger. - Oh, great. - He's my favorite performance on the whole thing. - Oh, he's wonderful. - He's so good. - Truly. Okay, well, that's great. Do you like, did you like that? - I did. - Do you wanna do top five pumpkins? - No. - That sounds insulting. - No, just like, 'cause I wanna make sure that you're happy. - Oh, I'm thrilled, I have to pee. - Oh, you do? - Yeah. - You know what, I'm not happy about. Went to the coffee place, tried to give the pumpkin, ice pumpkin spice thing. What's that? Why is it all on the ground? - Cerep. - Cerep, hun. - Oh, now it's kind of breaking up. - Yeah, well, you could have done that in the beginning. - This ASMR. Should we end the episode on this ASMR? - Yeah. - Pussy. (laughs) - How do we end up doing these episodes again? I think we just sort of fade out. - Oh, no, no, no, this is my favorite Billy Evans' work. While he was-- - He started that big cock. - This is not a spoiler driver. This is my favorite Billy Evans' work when he was presumably-- Oh, no, I guess at this point, he wasn't. But Elizabeth Holmes did tweet back in 2018 or something. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This was so good. ♪ Fade into you ♪ - Fade into you. - They can never make me hate her. (laughs) They can never make me hate my queen Liz. - You flopped, Nathan. ♪ Fade into you ♪ - You know what else is a good song? - Doesn't have to do with anything. - And fade out on this. ♪ Building a mystery ♪ - No, that one? - Yeah. - Sarah McLaughlin? - Oh, man. - She wasn't really your culture, huh? - No. - All right, when we go home-- - Home. - Home that we share. - When we go home later, Dave. - I'm gonna play you Sarah McLaughlin. - Thanks, Dave. ♪ Idiot do believe I found you ♪ - Not bad, kind of one today. - We gotta go. - Bye. (laughs) - "Loss Culture East" is the production by Will Ferrell's "Big Money Players" in my heart radio podcasts. - "Created and Hosted" by Matt Rodgers and Bowen Yang. "Executive Produced" by Anna Hosniay and "Produced" by Becca Ramos. "Edited" by Hot Dog Sandwich. And our music is by Henrik Versky. Hey, everybody, it's me, Matt, and my tour is on sale now. This time, it's really Christmas. 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