You Can Fix a Dog but You Can’t Fix a Man feat. Isabel Klee

A lot of the time, like love and patience really does heal a dog, but not a man. This podcast is a dear media production. Hi guys! Hi guys! Welcome back to another episode of Girls Gotta Eat! Welcome back! We are in Dewey Beach as you listen to this. It's summer in a row. I love it so much. I'm so excited to go and to drive down. We're like all gonna like road trip together. I'm so excited. Also, do my eyebrows look black too? They're dark? Yeah. They're transitioning right into their final state. Yeah, I went to EverTrue Salon. Like it's in Flatiron. It's where I get my eyebrows. Microrelated and I love them. They do like a phenomenal job, but they are black. The first week that you get them done and you're like, "Oh no, I've made a horrible mistake." But I've not had makeup on at all in like two weeks. I'm just rolling around with like black eyebrows and nothing else on my face. It is liberating. It is liberating. It is liberating. Every time somebody's looking at me, I feel this urge to be like, they're not always like this. But like I said to like one person I was like ordering a coffee and I could tell she was like looking at my face and I was like, "My eyebrows don't normally look like this." And she was like, "What?" And I was like, "I don't think it's eyebrows." I don't think it's eyebrows. I don't think it's how you think it is. But has anybody just been like, "Girl, those eyebrows, that's a slay." Like, is anyone said anything like positive? Because they are, no, like because they are prominent and they are well-shaped. Clearly, that's the boy. People always comment on my brows the shape of them. Microplating is the best thing I ever did for my face besides get fake teeth, but the prominence is extreme. No, no one has said anything, which makes me think that they are staring at them. But I mean, time and time again, I'm just reminded like no one's, no one cares about you that much. No one's thinking about you. It's just like very funny to look at a person be like, "I don't normally look like this." And they're like, "I wasn't thinking about you literally at all." Okay, let's take our partners and then we will get into it. Okay, thank you to Skims Shop Skims Cotton and all our favorite pieces at skims.com and a Hungry Root get 40% off your first box and a free item in every box for life at hungryroot.com/gge with code gge. And thank you to Ladder. Get a free seven day trial and $10 off your first month at Ladder.fit/gge and Ryder.die. Watch the new series now streaming only on Prime Video and NutriFull get $10 off your first order and free shipping at NutriFull.com with code gge10. So today we have Isabel Cley and we are so excited. We had the best discussion with her a few weeks back in New York. This is one of my favorite books. I've ever read dogs, boys, and other things. I've cried over its right here prominently on my bookcase and I just loved it so much. Like Isabel, if you're listening, we're just going to fangirl you even more, which we do play in the interview. But I would have read it for like, I would have read three more lengths of the book. You know, when you're watching a show, you're like, I would have watched so many more hours of that. I would have read so many more hours of it. I just loved it so much. It's really one of my favorite books I've ever read. And definitely, maybe my favorite book of the year, which is a strong statement, given in book year and book in the year. How, yeah. So it's just, I mean, strangers, yesteryear and this. And I haven't finished "Fame Sick." I didn't return to it yet. I read most of the fame and I didn't finish the sick. The Lena Dunham book, but I will. I will. I'll finish it. I want to finish it. But I just had to put it aside and pick this one up. And I'm so glad I did. And we can't wait for you guys to hear the interview today. But I mean, this just blew me away this book and this interview. I just thought that she is so phenomenal. I'm just, I'm really, we're so excited for you guys to just hear the interview. She's just, she's so fantastic. It was different than any interview. I thought we were just going to talk about dogs for an hour. And I was like, they're going to kick you about dogs. And I'll hang out and she was so phenomenal. It's just, I cried off and on the whole time. And you've done, you're not just sobbing, but just getting really emotional. And you know, if you read the book, you'll, you'll see why. And I really want to be fostering dogs more. I, we have a dog, obviously, is a little who is so great with all of their dogs. We should be bringing more dogs into this home. So we were looking last night at a couple fostered or rescues in LA. And just, I'm ready to, I want to do that. I just think we both are like, we're scared. We'll never want to give them back. But you're just so equipped for it. I mean, you have a dog like you understand. Like I was talking to Lisa Litman, who's your vet. And she was like, is it time to get a dog? And I was like, I just, I never know because I traveled so much and it would just be so unfair to a dog. Like you have, at least the husband at home, if you got a town, like he has like a wonderful dad at home with him, like I still don't know what I would do with like an animal right now. Like shuttling one back and forth. But she suggested fostering. And I'm just like, I don't know if I'm a quick, I don't know what I would do with a dog. I'm not equipped. Yeah, it's a lifestyle change. And we would only foster for a period of time when we were both gonna be in town for a while, you know. So we're considering it, but I think we're both scared. That will be like, well, yeah, that's ours. That's ours now. That's a little sister, a little brother. We had our eye in this dog, like named Sue. Like that's up for adoption with Wags and Wocks in LA. Can't get over Sue. Senior eight year old German Shepherd mix, Susan. Susan. I'm sorry. That's an iconic name. Hilarious. A soul and Susan. So we're just keeping tabs on Sue. Like, I don't know, we, you know, just, we saw her. She spoke to us. So. Okay, can I tell you something? Because I do really want you to move here. And this might be like getting in my way. But like, I do kind of see you guys as a two dog family. 100% were two dogs family. We just need to figure our lives out. Like if we were really gonna stay in LA permanently, we'd probably have three. I mean, I really just, we need to figure out what our lives look like. And if we were gonna move and how to get multiple dogs across the country in the first place and move it into a smaller space. But yeah, I mean, you know, my life dream is to have a senior dog rescue on my parents farm. And I said, I, Shashank knows that. And last night we were talking about it. And he was like, when do we start? I'm like, that's hard. Like down the road retirement plan. But some days I just want to say, fuck it all and start that life. I just, I really, like, I never thought about it. I really see you guys as like a two dog family. You're just a two dog. And you're able to like handle several animals. You know, I could really see you guys being good like a lot of big dogs. I mean, you have a lot of dogs at your parents house. You guys have a ton of animals. Yeah, like I, we were in Montecito this past weekend, which there's like one anecdote I wanted to share. And so many dogs. And every time we see like a couple with two dogs, well, that should be us. And I love when they sort of look like in some way, same size maybe like, or make me love like, we love that you have two black dogs. We also love that you have a black and white. Sue is brown. So Sue doesn't really, and she's big, bigger. But we like love the idea that is like, what have like, just yin and yang, like black and white, same type of dog, same size. And they're just like walking on the street. So cute, like, show stopping. But I did just want to share like one quick thing. You all these things you want to talk about. And I can't wait to discuss them. But we spent this weekend, we did like an overnight trip in Montecito and I mentioned this. And this is with a friend of mine and her name's Angie and you've met her too. And this was something I just found it really like interesting and heartwarming. This friendship that I have with her, this is someone that I was really close with in Atlanta. And when we met, we met through some other friends and we had this group for a while. And I was like the single girl. The group she was recently married when I met her and I became really close with her and I loved her husband. And I would always be over at her house. And she was always like cooking for me. And like, you know, she's just kind of like a big sister vibe. But I was just like the single slut running around Atlanta. And she's like married and settled. You know, and they were about to have kids. And I would be there like big house. And just like, you know, maybe one day that I could have like a life like this, minus the kids. And that was just kind of our relationship. And then she moved away and they moved to Florida. And I visited her a couple times and really kept the friendship. Like we really valued the friendship and we stayed friends when she moved. And then we just like lost touch. Like just because like nothing happened, I mean, she had a second child and I moved to New York and I feel like our lives just went in different directions. And we would maybe comment here and there on social media. She's not really big on social media. But I don't think I saw her since I visited last, which was like 2015 or something. I really think that's the last time I saw her in person. And again, she congratulated me when I got engaged. But this wasn't even a friend that we were like, probably text each other happy birthday every year. Like we really did kind of lose touch. And that's just life sometimes. And when her and her husband saw that I was touring last year, they made the drive. They live in Naples, they drove to Tampa for the show. And they, it came and it was so nice to see her. We had the best time. And she was like, you know, we should do this more. And then they came to LA last summer for the, they come to California every year than you met them. And then they came to your tour this year. Like they were like, we want to run it back. Yeah, overnight. And like I sat with them and your dad, like the four of us. And then she was like, this summer again, we do this LA trip. And when she guys to come and come to Montecito, they get a house there for a couple of weeks every summer. And we went around wine tasting and it just, I love how friendships can evolve and ebb and flow like that. I think it's just such a nice reminder that that can happen. And again, like no, no conflict, nothing happened. We just grew apart and we came back together. And it's just so crazy that like I'm here with our husbands or friends now. They loved each other. They had such a bromance. And like I used to just be this like single slut running around, you know, coming over, having breakfast with you guys, like sharing my stories from the night before. and how life changes and how friendships can change too. Like it's interesting to be friends with somebody that long ago, lose touch. Probably don't see each other for eight years and then kind of pick back up. And now you're like doing a trip, you know, when she's coming to support you. And I just, you know, I could talk about friendship forever and like share these different stories. And I just think it's like one of those things that you, you know, it's encouraging. If you ever feel like you have someone in your life that maybe you've like lost touch in your lives have changed so drastically in different stages and you can always just like, you know, pick it back up. I've been seeing these two memes a lot. One is sort of doesn't have to do with this and one does. But it says like the strongest, most enduring friendships, the ones that last a long time are not like free of conflict. They're people that allow each other to change and be in different phases of life. And you allow people to just like be a mom or be a wife or be a single drunk slot. And like you just like hold space for somebody else to be in those different phases of life. And Melanie sent me that the other day because there's another meme that says, you know, I have the same best friend at like 2232 and 42 and like that's where I have. And then she sent me that on the back end of that. And it's like, I've like loved her through every phase. And like you will be the same in my life. Like I will know you through all the phases. And I think those are such like beautiful enduring friendships that you're like, yeah, I can find value. I can let people kind of go out of my life a little bit and come back into my life. And like life is so long. And those are the kind of friendships I feel like misty eyed about. - Yeah, yeah, those are again, like different types ones that are truly 30 year plus no breaks. And then ones that you're like, I don't know. We like lost touch and now we're friends again and we're in different stages of life. Like they were taking their son to basketball camp. He's in high school. I have a picture with him when he was two. You know, those types of things too. And then I never saw him again, like kind of thing. So I don't know. We've always said that too. Just about our touring and the way it's connected us with people from different stages of life. And she's not the only real story like that where you and I have toured whether it's with girls going to eat or individually and seeing people that we may have lost touch with forever. If they hadn't have been like, oh, I see you're in town. Like let's kick it and let's, you know, reunite. So that's been really nice too. And you know, just friendship guys hot take. But I thought that was nice. She guys were wondering who I was with this past weekend. That's who it was. I love their vibe with their daughter. It makes me like laugh and smile. She's, how, tell me how old she is 16? She's 12, going on 30. She came with us to the wine tasty. And she, she just hangs out with adults. It's crazy. Their relationship with her kids is the best I've ever seen. They, their kids love them. They love hanging out with them. They have a daughter and a son. The son is older. He's a teenager. I think he's a sophomore and she is 12. And she just fucking hangs with the adults. I didn't want to do that at that age at all. Nobody, well, it was two things. I didn't feel like the adults were doing cool stuff. And nobody talked to me like I was anything more than like an 11 year old. And like, you sent me this photo on this bus that you guys were taking from Winery to Winery. It was like three couples and this girl. And like to hang out with her. She's just like a little adult. Like, it's so nice to talk to her. And it's like, funny. I never wanted done that with my parents. Like, Marina, she, you know, she like goes to eat by herself. Like, I mean, and they, they're saying like a really nice safe area, but they'll be like, she's gonna head out and have breakfast. Like she goes, she, she eats alone. She eats alone. That's 12 year olds like, I'm gonna head out. I'm gonna head out. I don't know. I'm just walking on the street against very safe, like the village and then she'll go have breakfast alone. And they're like, I guess this is okay. I'm like, we grown women mess with us. How do I go to eat alone? I'm too intimidated. It took me 35 years to be comfy, sitting at a bar by myself. Truly, like, I have had to coach myself into this. Like, in the, the most made, London, the first time I ever took a trip by myself, London was the first city I ever went to. And I was like, I remember standing outside the restaurant. Like, you could do this girl. You could do this. You could sit at the bar and have dinner. You could be by yourself. No one's gonna look at you. Yeah. It's just, I don't know. I look at them as like, man, you guys are really good fucking parents. In this day and age with the kids and the social media and all the things to see these kids. 15 and 12 that want to hang out with their parents and like, just love them and respect them and want to hang out with their parents' friends. I'm just like, what did you guys do? We should have them on for a parenting episode. But it's just really, it's just inspiring to see. I'm glad you guys had fun. It looked so fun. It was really fun. I love my little one. I'm hoping you would see, like, Megan, Markle, or Oprah, I think I should live up there. There, yeah, we just didn't see any celebs, but also I'm bad. It recognized them, but that is where so many of them are all the time, like, yeah. Clearly it's, it's, it's a fantasy place. I don't know if those are my people. I mean, while we're in Dewey Beach, like, does this work like speak? That was a really beautiful one. Yeah. I mean, I just, like, I love Sandra Paye, but like, I love Dewey Beach. Like, I feel like we're like, get you a girl that could do both. Like, I felt totally comfy in Sandra Paye, walking around, Megan popped into the Chanel store, got herself a bag. I was like, this is beautiful, but like, I can't wait for Dewey. I can't wait to pack for Dewey. Yeah, we went and had drinks at the Rosewood Miramar Beach Resort, which is just absolutely stunning. You have to go if you're there and at least have drinks. They do great to sunset. We just went for like a midday drink. And, you know, it's like whatever $3,000 a night type resort. Yeah, it's more money than the rich Carlton. It's so expensive. Yeah, and that's not where we stayed. But I was just like, you know, I like being here. I like fancy shit, but this just, I don't feel comfortable. Like, I don't go to a place like that. And I'm like, this is it. This, these are my people. You know, like, there's just a different air about it. Like, I love it for a weekend. And I love to go around and go to all these places. They don't feel super pretentious. Some of them do. But then some of them, like, I just, this is not, I'm going to be, yes, much more comfortable and feel more at home and at ease. And more, I don't know, what's the word? A less pretentious place. The more normal place. Like normal blue collar towns. Yeah. So anyway, okay, I have two thought starters for you. I'm just curious what your thoughts are. I don't know if we ever talked about this. So I was talking to our friend Jeremy, who does his bagel show that you and I have both been on. It's just like a thing that he doesn't say any mornings. And he said he had a guest come on. He basically asked people what's your bagel order. And he was talking to some girl on it about, like, locks and cream cheese, like, classic stuff. And this girl was like, oh, I would never eat like fish in the morning. And he was like, oh, you're not Jewish. And we were just joking about hitting not 80 fish in the morning. And I was thinking, I'll eat anything at any time of day. I will eat pasta at eight o'clock in the morning. I will eat fish. When he said fish in the morning, I was like, I eat white fish, I eat like smoky white fish and like smoked salmon, which are the fishiest of fish in the morning. Food does not have a time to me. Like, does food have a time to you? Like, does your palate know what time it is? Yeah, I don't, I will eat fish in the morning, too. But I'll eat a steak and eggs, even though steak is a dinner, the item dish, but I really don't want to wake up and eat leftover pizza or pasta. Like, also, I'm a breakfast all day, girlie. Like, you know me. Like, that's my favorite type of thing is I love to a place that serves breakfast all day. I love it all day, cafe. And I will go and eat it one or two in the afternoon and if there's still so many breakfasts like I'll to gravitate towards a dish like that. But I like breakfast food in the morning. But there are exceptions, because when you hear fish in the morning, you, like, we're not, you're not having a seabass. It's not like a roasted salmon with asparagus. I don't want asparagus in the morning, really. But like, I also, like, most brunch menus are mainly sweet. It's like waffles, french toast, pancakes. And to me, that, that volume of sugar in the morning is not something I ever want. Like, people think it's weird to eat something like fish in the morning, but like, I think eating, what is essentially cake for breakfast? Like, that, I would never do that. That's not, I don't want that in the morning. I don't want like a shot of sugar. Like, that just straight through my body. And I'm in the minority. I think most people are like, I actually rarely go out to the brunch with somebody that doesn't say, like, let's get pancakes for the table. Obviously. But there needs to be something savory too. 'Cause it really, I mean, I wake up and I have fruit every morning, this is the first thing I put in my body. And then I have coffee, and then I go from there. Well, sorry, I take a giant shit, and then I go from there. Clean out, and then I start with a meal. But it's supposed to be protein. So it's supposed to be eggs, you know, you really are not supposed to just full, like, sugar bomb your body with chocolate pancakes or waffles, but sometimes you have to. Okay, so I was curious if food had any time of day for you. And so my other question for you is, I wanna know what you think about this. I heard this girl say this thing in the airport lounge the other day. She, this girl walks in there like a very attractive couple and she just looks so cute. She just like, allos set on. And like, no make-up hair pulled back. She just looked really like clean girl, cute little aesthetic. And he was like, what would you like me to get you from the bar? And she said, whatever is the most expensive. And then she just kind of like smiled. And he was like, okay, I got you, babe. And I was just like, I love that energy. I just loved it. I just, I really was like, it's never been me. I've never said anything like that. - From a drink? - From a drink. Yeah. - That's, no, that's weird energy. You don't know what your drink is. What do you, what do you, what do you do? What just, whatever. What, it's gonna be something weird. What you want it to heal us? You want Don Hulio? You want it to heal us? 1942 in them and whatever time like you don't know what your preference of drink is grow up or you even old enough to drink It's giving I've never drank I Hate it. I think I think she meant champagne. I think she might get me the most expensive ship pain I did not hate it. I was like I've never related less to something though like I Thought has never like crossed my mind like what would you like? I'll take the most expensive thing like I just I'm not like a princess Treatment girly. I would I would like to emulate that more in my life I think they're like I'm a couple having anybody do anything for me Not the expensive thing, but just in general. No, it's giving amateur hour especially without a haul What do you want to drink grow up? Maybe champagne? I if you have that kind of money and you want champagne I can understand whatever is most expensive because it is going to probably be a you get what you pay for a tight Situation totally. I will say that. I mean most of the time you're not even drinking champagne You're drinking a Prosecco when you are going to order it at the lounge. That's for sure So that I will understand but just in general. I don't know get a preference And stop trying to cosplay a rich person. It's so important anyway Well also my question to is do you pay for things the lounge like yes? I'm scared. No, not everything's free It's not like an open bar like a wedding like a tire shelf open bar at the lounge It's like some stuff is free like wow the middle shelf now I don't know save like burnets at the Delta lounge, but it's like a tier of alcohol That's free and then you have to pay for the good stuff a good stuff whatever. I really did take it to me I thought she meant like champagne or wine I don't think you would just say like blanketed whatever is the most expensive like I don't think that's like what's that's like Johnny Walker blue or green Or like the different colors of Johnny Walker like they can be like a hundred dollars for like an ounce But I just was like that is an energy that is so foreign to me I can't even like understand it. I'll just take what's most expensive like I mean with wine It probably is what you get what you pay for if that's what she meant if she was like I want a Pino noir Or I want a shardonnay the most expensive one if money is no object. I can understand it So I would need more information. Okay. I didn't ask any more questions. I just looked at her and I was just like smiling like what she get you didn't follow up He walked over with a think a glass of white wine It wasn't champagne. 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She is a writer a rescue advocate and creator of the beloved community As Simon sets her debut memoir dogs boys and other things I've cried about is a very funny and deeply honest look at Love heartbreak and growing up in New York City and the many rescue dogs to change her life along the way Her book became an instant number one New York Times bestseller and it is already an option for a television by universal studios Please welcome to the show is about clay. Yay. I'm so happy to be here. We're so happy to have you I actually found you first and she's like you were in a love this book. You have to read it So I have followed you for so many years. I've followed so many dogs rescues like a more psycho person But your dog Simon reminds me of my first dog do we like mini version and He passed in 2021 and you posted this thing about your dog in your 20s Like maybe last year. Yes, and I could barely get through it because it hit so hard. Yeah, like this dog I had him on his 25, I had no business having a pet. - I was 25 as well when I got through it. - Yeah, and I was just, I had him for 12 years, like through all of the moves, maybe in New York City, the dating, the struggles, the career, all the things, and it like helps you become a grown-up, and it was really hard for me to watch that real. - And then it's the first fucking page of the book, it's the dedication, it was on the plane. Like this is so unfair. And like I need a trigger word, I'm sobbing on the plane. Like how dare she. - I actually, that's about your Chihuahua. - No, no. - The first page of the book. - Oh, you're, no, the first chapter is about the Chihuahua. - The dedication is the jog you got in your blood. - Oh, okay, 'cause I was like the first chapter, the first page about the Chihuahua hooked me on my ears. - But I followed, no, not putting it on. - Oh, oh, Tiki. - Tiki. - Which one? There's so many. - Tiki's the one I'm talking about. - I followed his whole journey already. So I just even hit the ham. I was like, the ham? - I know. - But anyway, I just have to tell you, I just, it speaks to me so deeply, and to have it start like that, I was like, oh, we're in for a while, right? This book is, really needs a trigger, warning if you love dogs, even if you don't, of course, but it is ups and downs, and it's a real tear trigger. - I actually have a funny, so you saying that you were crying on the plane, I got a DM the other day from a flight attendant, and she was like, I never DM people, but I have to tell you how many women I've seen crying, reading your book on planes and crying about it, and she's like, I follow you, so it's always like this point of connection that I'm like, oh, I see that book, 'cause it also has the bright green cover, and it's like beautiful, come on. - Yeah, I feel like it really sticks out really, like if you're in a crowd or whatever, and she's like, I always see, it's always women reading it, crying on the plane. - That's so sweet. - And then the girl in the first two rows ahead of me wearing your merch. - No way. - Are we really? - Like, the back you have it, does the hat say Simon sits on the back? - I'm like, this is crazy. - Wait, that is crazy. - I really wanna talk to you about how you're feeling. I mean, to get messages like that, New York Times best seller for how many weeks? - Six weeks. - Okay, and just, it must be overwhelming in the best way. Like, I just wanna hear how you're feeling, 'cause it's incredible. - It is crazy. I mean, I feel very grounded in it. I always tell people that at the end of the day, I'm still like scooping up dog poop in my day to day life, and like, I'm still like, disgusting, wearing clothes for the same three days. So I am very grounded in what I do, because what I do is inherently just messy and non-whamorous. But to have my book launch party was thrown by Oscar De La Renta, there's all of these moments where I'm like, this is actually so insane. We were just talking before we started recording that I'm a huge reality TV girl. I was the bartender on Watch What Happens La. That was a huge pinch me moment. I'm just obsessed with all things Bravo. So there have been quite a few moments that are just so crazy. I can't even wrap my head around it. - Well, congratulations to you. I mean, it's really amazing. The book is so approachable, and we're gonna pause in two seconds to tell people what the book is about. But it's such a good, beautiful story just about growing up and finding yourself and moving to New York, and why don't we start by talking about the book and the Inspell and what it's about? - Yeah, so it's a memoir of my 20s in New York City, and kind of my trials and tribulations of dating and moving in with random roommates. I mean, if you've lived in New York City, everybody has lived in 1,000 different apartments. I always find it amazing when I meet somebody from somewhere else. And they're like, "Oh, I've lived in the same apartment for seven years." And I'm like, no, in New York, it's like-- - With people who knew. - Yeah, it's like a new one every single year where strangers-- - Oh, strangers. - Always strangers. - Craigslist. - Craigslist. - Craigslist, yeah. - Exactly. - You talk about these, and it feels very girls-esque. - Yes. - Like moving in with the three women. - Yeah. - Like these three strangers. - And just like this, you really did it. Like, I think you write this line to be young and broke in New York as a badge of honor. - Yeah. - I've always-- I didn't live like that reign of it. I didn't live here when I was young and broke. - Just successful. - I don't know. I kind of wish I did. - I was telling us about, like, there's so many parallels between Chi and I. We lived on the same street. We lived, I lived on New York in '76. - I was New York in '72. - Oh my God. - My first bed was a twin bed. - Yeah, that's all you could fit. - I had a bed. I had a twin bed and a clothing rack. My boyfriend was in Brooklyn and we had a lot of similarities. I had like zero dollars. I took the bus every day. I didn't even afford this subway. - I don't think my first boyfriend and I, I think we went out to eat one time and it was when he asked me to be his girlfriend. And then every other time I think we would go, literally go to the dollar store and get frozen meals and make those frozen meals. Like, I cannot remember a time that we went out to eat 'cause we were so broke. - Yeah. - You just had no money to, you know, like do anything. But essentially it's about my 20s doing all those things, dating bad guys and then how I found fostering dogs and how I, you know, I've always been this hopeless romantic. I've always kind of worn my heart on my sleeve and looked for love in the worst places and it was how I learned to pour that love that I had into animals rather than men who probably didn't deserve that love. - I just, I love the comparison between like rehabilitating men versus dogs and like you can pour your love into a dog and it's just like it works. - Yeah. - It works at the right time. - Almost every time. - I mean, you've proven that. - Yeah. - And if people don't know your content, which of course they should, is you bringing in these, kind of, I don't, what's the word? - I serve them undesirable. - Yes, but like, yes, the really won't be adopted. Otherwise, what's the top level of them? - Oh, what is the word? - It's like, oh, it's like a level three. - Yeah, like I always take medical or behavioral dogs. - Yes. - And they are, oh, new hope only. - That's the new hope only is. - So they're not like eligible to meet the general public. They have to go to a foster. - And you're just working wonders. Like it can be done. - Yeah. - You know, people look at these dogs and they're like, "That dog is going to bite me." - Yeah. - Or that dog will never cuddle with me or it's not going to be the sweet lap dog I want. And you're like, "Ha ha." - Yeah, I can have the healthy advice I would give about men, though. So I was saying, you know, you pour your love into this and we can rehabilitate them. And it's like, "No, just assume they're not going to change." - Well, that's 1,000% and I think that was my learning lesson from my 20s was I did that so many times. You know, it's like, you meet these guys and I'll just speak for myself but I do think it's a very common experience with women dating men. I wanted love so desperately that like if a man loved me back, I was like, I can make this work. - Yeah. - And even if I didn't particularly like them that much, even if we weren't that compatible, even if they weren't that nice to me, like I was like, just the fact that you're interested in me, like we'll make it work. Like I'll move heaven and earth to make this work and that's just never going to work out well. And I think that was the biggest learning lesson was like, when a dog comes to you and they're scared and shaking or aggressive or whatever the case may be, you can usually make it work. I mean, I won't say always because some dogs are beyond fixing and you know, they've just been through too much. But a lot of the time, like love and patience really does heal a dog, but not a man. (laughing) - I always compared my ex to my first dog in that it was just kind of hard. Like what I do, he was love my life. But he was difficult and it was a lot of stress. And he was hard to manage, especially for someone like, no resources in my 20s. But it's different because obviously my ex and I broke up and do it and I were together forever. I hate to even compare him because of that. - That's an interesting part. But my husband now and my dog now, Azul, are the easiest love I've ever had. Like, Azul's the easiest dog. He was my first foster after Dewey. I was like, he's perfect. He's so easy. And then I found this partner that's like, this is actually how love should feel. And not put dogs, but like the comparison there is really, really interesting. - Yeah, crazy. - I really do believe. I mean, all relationships are going to be work in the sense that like you're gonna have to figure out your communication style and what you need in relationship. But I, you know, now that I'm with my fiance, I truly believe you just need to get a guy that's like perfect out of the box. - I'm like, I can't change you. You just gotta find him. - I just, I don't just agree. - I think it's good to go. It's just that's the healthiest way to go into anything. - You just gotta find him. I'm like, I've met my fiance and I'm like, you are like a fully formed human being and I don't have to like coach you. - Yeah. - I don't have to coach you. I don't have to tell you what to do. You have a clean apartment. You have a good job. Like you're just a nice person and I'm like, yeah, that's, I'm sorry. Tell the single cause out there. But like you just gotta find a good one. - When did you mean I followed where you when you met, Eric? - I was 28. - Okay. - '29. - But you will, that's the thing. When you're dating in your early 20s, like you shouldn't be thinking about marriage. We think. Oh, no, I completely agree. - So you are gonna date the like fixer uppers. - People are shittier in their 20s too. - Yeah, I was shittier as well. But I think that you can change certain things about a person. - Coach them to communicate with you the way that you need it. - But you can't coach a person out of like an avoidant attachment style or an anxious attachment style. Like you really have to like work with a person. - Or like their political beliefs. - Of course. - Those kinds of things where it's like in your 20s. I mean granted when we were all in our 20s, it was a different political climate. But like, you know, I'm sure there are people who were like, oh, I could, you know, he'll change. I'll get him to come around. Or I just met a bartender yesterday who was telling me about this guy that she was dating and he randomly broke up with her. And I was like, oh, like what was his reasoning? She said, he thinks that we are too far apart in our beliefs. And I was like, what are you? And she's like, well, I'm super liberal and he's like a centrist, but I thought it was fine. And I was like, I was like, I think he did you a favor. - It's kind of hard to be a centrist today. - That's interesting from him. - Yeah. - He also said he knew. Yeah, and she was like, oh, I thought it was fine. I thought we were meeting in the middle. I said, I don't think you should meet in the middle. He's also probably not as far into the middle as you would think. - I completely agree. - And we talk about it all the time. I mean, today in this political climate, it is just really hard to date somebody that doesn't feel exactly like you need to be able to go home at the end of the day and discuss the current events with your partner 'cause we're so inundated with it right now. - I cannot fathom dating somebody who did not align with me politically morally. - Who wasn't like, because it is morally, too. Like, it passionately feels that way. That's the hottest thing about a guy. - Totally. - Yeah. - He's actually curious about romance rights. But I bear minimum here. - But I think like for so many people of trauma and they work through it. But when you are wanting to get to a certain age and get actually get married and settle down, you should look for someone that's gotten there. Like Rain has an ex that has been through so much and with addiction and trauma. And when she dated him, he had done so much work. He was really stable. He was really healthy, given what he'd been through. - Yeah, so far for like five years. You've been in therapy. Even still, we kind of failed to communicate in a lot of ways. - Well, that's another thing we have in common is that I dated, well, I won't speak to your ex, but my ex was a heroin addict. - Oh, I just slept with one of those, yeah. - The chef. - Yeah, the chef. Or the, he worked at a restaurant. - At the restaurant, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - You just slept with one of those? How was it? - Amazing. - He fucked me like, he didn't, he fucked me like, he didn't have a family. I mean, it was a lot of fun. - That's how they get you. - He's a bad person. (laughing) - That's how they get you. - Heroic. - But, I mean, yes, that guy had done a lot of the work. He didn't, I mean, and I think his ex for that, 'cause his ex went through a lot of shit with him to get him to the point where he sobered up, got into therapy and she's happy and moved on, so is he. - Yeah. - I mean, thank you to all the women that came before us and the chef that you got, which I knew. - So, the men that you've written about, and this guy who was essentially, I feel like your first love, maybe the addict. And did you have any hesitation writing about them? Or, like, I'm just curious from that. - I didn't, I, you know, well, it goes without saying that everything has changed. So, all the names are changed, all the identifying details. Like, and also that particular ex, I would say that was the trickiest to write about, 'cause there was a lot of legal stuff that I actually had to take out. But, he, in particular, is completely off the grid. I have tried my hardest to stalk him and find him. And, like, sometimes I'll get like a little glimpse of, like, oh, he worked at this restaurant or whatever. Nobody could find him, even with all of the information that I know about him, he is completely untraceable. So, I'm not worried about people, like, finding him, or-- - Oh, I think he can't even find you, probably. - It is such an interesting question. Like, when you write about people, I mean, she and I both like to write. And I wrote a couple chapters about these two specific guys, one, my ex fiance, and one is just this guy, I also wrote my comedy hour about. But, I thought, like, what are these people gonna say when you put this in front of them? - Nobody's reached out. - So, I'm not sure if anybody's read anything. But, yeah, I don't know. I guess I kind of just feel like this is my life and this happened to me, and there's a great quote that I always misquote. But, it's something like, if people wanted you to write kindly about them, they should have behaved better. And so, I just kind of feel like, you know, I had one ex that I wrote about who I ended up getting Simon with, and he was wonderful, and I wrote nicely about him. - Of course. - You know what I mean? I'm like, he was a nice guy, so I wrote nicely about him. So, yeah, in the grand scheme of things, I just kind of like, I'm like, this is my life. And, they also knew they were dating a writer when they've had me. - Right, it's fair. - So, I don't know. I don't, there's been no repercussions, and there can be no legal repercussions, obviously. But, nobody's even, like, touched me with me about it. - That's great. - It still feels respectful. It's just, it's just, it's not scathing by any means. I just, if you guys haven't read them up, that's the feels, like, this was your story, and these are the facts. - Well, an interesting thing about memoir two, is so obviously it had to go through a legal read with a lawyer. And so, with that ex in particular, in my original copy of the manuscript, I write about his childhood, and I wasn't allowed to write about that, 'cause that's, like, hearsay. Like, I didn't experience that. - Oh, interesting. - Like, you can only write about what you experienced. - Interesting. - And so, that also helps, is, like, I'm not writing about his life of, like, here are the things that he experienced, and the trauma that he went through. It's like, this is just, like, what I experienced, and this was what he did to me. And so, I think that also helps me, in the end of feeling like, it was truly just my story. - There's something about writing about people, or seeing yourself be written about, is we always want to feel like we're being represented in a way that we see the past, and we agree with the interpretation of what happened here. And ultimately, you're never gonna 100% agree with anybody's interpretation of anything, because everyone sees the world through their own lens. But I imagine to be really hard, like, I think about Ashley writing a book one day, and like, writing about our relationship and our friendship. And I'm like, I'm excited to, like, read her interpretation of it, like, on a book, you know, and the pages. And I don't know if that's different than, obviously, Romantic X's, but I think we all kind of want to feel like that. - Well, my friends, I wrote about so many of my friends, who I'm still extremely close to, and they all loved it. And I write about my roommate's Sarah and Hannah, and I describe Hannah as a Linky Brunette, and Sarah as a Kirby Redhead, which is true. But they, like, now they, it's like, they're sick. They're like, "I should have said a picture. "I should have been, like, Kirby Redhead checking it." Just like, the way that I describe that. - I love that. - So there are these, like, funny little moments that I'm like, I just wrote it not thinking twice about it, but then my friends are reading it, being like, "Oh, that's how you're describing me." - It's so funny. - But my friends, in general, have loved, of course. - And, like, loved the, like, slight fame that comes with it, of, you know, if they're at events, I'm like, "That's Hannah." And everybody's like, "Oh, my God." - They're the kids of the side character, just, yeah. - I have a question. I wanted this book, not knowing anything about you, as she was like, "It's amazing, she's amazing, you gotta read it." And I didn't expect immediately, 'cause you're, you write so well, and you're so intelligent. I was like, this girl is like a literary degree from a college. And immediately, you're like, "I went to college for six months, and it wasn't for me." So can we talk about maybe like, early days, and how you got to New York, and your journey here? - So I did go to college, but I'll start by saying, both my parents are writers. My mom was a public school English teacher, seventh grade English teacher. My dad was a journalist growing up. So I did go to school for writing. I was completely depressed. I hated college. I don't know, I'm such an outgoing person. It's like, still weird to me to this day that I hated college so much, like hearing you guys talk about your college experiences. And I'm like, that should have been me, but for whatever reason it wasn't. And I just hated it. And- - You wanted a depressing college, right? - I did, is it the most depressing college? - Okay, I got flak for this. Okay, so my, you're like, weird I was depressed at the most depressing college. - Wait, why is this an, is it ethical? - It's ethical. So ethical itself, it's like a really cute college. It's the same town that Cornell is in. - Sure. - Cornell is, Cornell is gorgeous. Ethica is like brutalist architecture, like colds. It's like very modern. Like I think it was made in the '60s. It is just like, and then, so the winters are so long and so brutal and awful. And I won't get to into the details, but I think Cornell was like the college with the highest, like depression and suicide rate for a long time. And so it's like, I think Cornell is the pressure of the school, but it's also the environment. It's, I do think it's a really depressing place. And I did get flak for this, some like publication from like, upstate times or something where like writer is about Cleese, as upstate New York is the most depressing place in the world. - I was like, this is out of context, a little bit. - You're like, you're elasticly it is. - It's right there. - I was depressed, but maybe I shouldn't, maybe I shouldn't, yeah, I don't know. - Who knows? - Who knows the truth? - So we're deeply affected by the weather. So like, we don't-- - Oh, I answer. - First force, no to each other. - Everyone should go to college in California. - And I did it. - And I'm just saying, I wish you guys outsmart slaughterer we would have been if we went to college. - So we're always sunny. - We American apparel dresses we could have been wearing. - So we're wearing them. And I will never forget being in Ethica with other girls. And you don't bring your coat 'cause you don't want it. - No, cause we don't want it. - Let's just get cold. - You just got it-- - But the rules. - The rules. - You need to know cold. - Heels on the ice. - Yeah. - Crazy. - When I first read the quote, slots don't get cold. I was like, it was so real. It's so real. I never brought a coat out. - No, you never bring a coat. 'Cause then what are you gonna do? Like, put it on the floor of some frat house. - I would like it. - I would like it. - Yeah. - Anyway, anyway. - Okay. - I begged my parents to leave, they said, do one year, and then you can like do whatever you want. So I did one year, and then I worked in California. I backpacked through Europe as one does. I moved to Cal, or no, I moved to Hawaii to work on a sustainable farm. Like, I did everything that you're supposed to do on like a gap year. I was just like young and stupid and did whatever I wanted. I didn't really enjoy it. I'm such a homebody, I'm such a creature of habit, and I knew I wanted to move to New York City at some point in my life, and I was like, why not now? So I applied to a couple colleges. I got into Marymount, Manhattan College, which doesn't exist anymore. - Oh really? - I think it was bought by Northwestern. So I think I went to Northwestern, say that. - You should, yeah, tell people that. - But I didn't, and so then I did end up getting an English and writing degree from Marymount. So I did, I did. - You were correct, I did do that. But it was, we don't have degrees in writing, and I think we're good writers. - No, you certainly don't have to have it. - I didn't mean to invalidate it anyway. - But I want to back up to something you said when we were just talking before, where you said, like, and you said just now, that you didn't really enjoy it, 'cause I think a lot of people are like, that sounds amazing. - Yeah. - But the reality of it, not so much for you, I think that a lot of people probably have this experience is when you're young and you do these things, like I was backpacking through Europe with like five of my guy friends that I met in California and boys are just like gross. like I love them, but they're just like gross. I'm like staying in hostels with them. I have zero dollars. I'm eating like croissants for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I, it's just, it's miserable. - Oh, it's so hard. - And your backpack is hard, yes. And I think it's good for character development. I think it's good for, like I said in the book, like a dinner table story. But I did not quite enjoy myself. - And probably lonely at times. - Totally lonely. - I nannied for a billionaire. - Yes. And it was the loneliest I have ever felt, other than maybe being in the cut. Sorry, it's a good little gadget a lot of time. It was truly so lonely. And so yeah, I had all these experiences. And I was just like, I just want to feel like, I belong somewhere, I want a community. I want to be settled somewhere. And New York is not the easiest place to infiltrate. But once you're here and you have that community, it is like nothing I've ever experienced. - Yes, truly. It is like the most magical thing. And I've been here for almost 15 years now. And so I've had quite a long time. But I, yeah, I think this is like the most settled I've ever felt in a place. - And you're like, I've been to all the places. - And you just bought a place? - I just bought my first, yes, thank you. - With your yard and everything. - I know, I'm so excited. And that's, I mean, for anybody buying is a huge deal, but especially I feel like for New Yorkers, it's like a real badge of honor. - But we'll do it. - I know two people. - Yeah. - Like dozens and dozens of friends of ours, I'm the two people that are here. - You talk about New York in a way that we always have. So Rayna lived here, she just moved back. I don't know. - Also 15 years. - For 15 years. - I was here with some similarities. And I lived here for six years and then we moved L.A. and I planning to move back as well. But just the high highs and the low lows, I just think about it all the time. 'Cause like the highs feel so high. It's like the lows feel so low. And L.A. is steady. L.A. is a happy steady stable every day. Just like the weather. And it's just, you have to decide what kind of life you want. And I'm trying to decide if I want to come back to this life after living a more steady life for three and a half years. And now I'm married and so coming back and like, do I want to jump back in? But it's just, you talk about it in the same way we do. I thought about this yesterday when I was like running around. I will go be a stretch. I took this beautiful walk in the West Village. I want to move that at this great morning. And I was like, hi, hi. I've never been happier. Everything is perfect. And then I had to go to the lower east side to get my tour to the tailor. And I took this subway. It was a thousand degrees down there. Everyone was touching me. It was really sweaty. I was like, out of breath. And like, I had to get back to dinner with Ashley and a friend of ours. I was like, so hot and sweaty. And I was like, I fucking hate this. And if we were in L.A., I'd hop in my car and drive three minutes and drop the stuff off and come home. I actually feel really passionately about this because I think that it's so important to have a natural friction in your life. And I think a lot of people live places. I've never lived in L.A., so I can't speak to it. But those places that are like the suburbs where everyone looks the same and everyone feels the same way. And there's no friction. You're never interacting. There's nothing is ever difficult. You hop in your car and your driveway. You drive to the grocery store. You don't interact with anybody. The only people that you're interacting with are your friends or your family who probably agree with you on most things. There's no friction. And of course, there's like friction in your life with your mom and there's all these things. But I think New York, it's so important to be constantly bombarded with life. And that doesn't happen in a lot of places. I think you have to meet people who are different from you and interact with people who are different from you and experience things that like you wouldn't normally experience. So I'm so passionate about that. And it doesn't work for everybody. I don't think New York works for everybody. But I think that that is like the magic of New York. - Well, it builds character too. We even talk about this with guys dating. Like if you haven't been through anything, it's like not attractive. Like just, and that's, you're talking about day to day friction, which I love that term too. But just, you have to go through some shit. Like I don't wanna, like we've talked about guys that are just, your life's been too easy. Like you have no character because of it. - Yeah. - Or like guys that you meet and look, this isn't anybody's fault, but it's like they're single and they're like, oh, I just got out of like an eight-year relationship. And I'm like, okay, like what am I supposed to do with that? I can't compare with that. No, it's like, yeah, I need somebody who's like gone through things, done things, seen things, strife. - Yeah, that's a strife. - Concert's like dealt with it too much strife, but yeah, not too much strife too much. - Also, that's, those are the kind of people I want advice from as well. Like when I say I have a real problem, a real conflict, a real decision making I need to make. Someone who's never experienced like a do-or-die, single-swim situation, like there are a capable, giving advice, I guess. But like, I want advice from somebody that's gonna be like, you want to do this thing, 'cause it's gonna be so hard otherwise here's my experience in it, you know? - Yeah. Okay, just gonna take a quick break and we will get right back into it. Telling you guys about Ryder-die, this is a new series on Prime Video, it is playing now. So you guys can check it out. We've been talking about it for a couple weeks now. Super excited. The show is so fun. 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They're the people that you ended up with. And you were trying to make it work. Like you said, if you like me, I'll figure it out. It was a ever turning point of realizing like, I've realized what I need to get out of these relationships. Like, my intuition is very strong. And I always like, I know very early on if like a person is right for me or wrong for me, but I will like keep going. And you are like two extra years. Two more years. Yeah, and it's, I did get much better about like cutting it off when I didn't. I, the best example is that right before I met Jacob, my current fiancee, I dated this guy. He was so gorgeous, so nice. Literally like the nicest guy. My, my old roommate still talk about him, not in a way like I wish they, they're obsessed with Jacob, but they're just like, God, he was so nice. It's something like, yeah, he really was so nice. - And hot? - We did and hot. We dated for six months, and he really wanted to be my boyfriend. And I just knew he was not my person. And I, you know, six months was good for me. I was like, wow, I'm really cutting it off like early. 'Cause I could have like, you know, at that point, I-- - Six months a long time. - Most women marry that guy. - Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying is, I was like, I want to be with my late 20s. Like, and it was like, he was super stable at a great time. - Or he wanted one to be with you, yeah. - And he want, I remember he was like, I would, there was this moment, it was his birthday. We like went out to the movies. I was saying, oh, my mom says happy birthday. And he said, how do you refer to me to your mom? And I was like, my your name. And he's like, do you say like boyfriend? And I just remember this feeling of like, this sinking in my stomach and you just know. And I was just like, no, like I don't and I don't see it going there. And that was like very difficult for me. And that was right before I met Jacob. And it's just like, I got much better about like cutting it off on the earlier side. - Okay. - Because I am that kind of person who will stay with somebody for years, even if I know. - But I understand it. I think you look at the dating landscape and you're like, it's so bad. And I see my friends. friends get treated really poorly. And Ashley and I get, we see so many horrible stories of people being cheated on and treated poorly and someone never committing to you. And it's like you find a nice, stable, hot person. - And you're like, holy shit. - Oh, we're on love, I don't care. - No, I have friends. I'll be entertained other way. - I'm sorry, nice, stable and hot. Like, how do you even, how are you all three? - I know. - And he found another one. - And he was. - Yeah, and then I like, one up. You know what I mean, I, that is another thing that I tell my friends, my very best friend in the world, dated a nice, stable guy who, her heart wasn't in it. I was like, trust me, like, I know you don't think that it's possible, but you will, within a month she found her guy. - I love that. And it's like the scarcity mindset. I mean, we just think like, you know, - Really, this is the best I'm gonna guess. - This is the best way to get rid of it. - We're doing it with apartments, we do with jobs, we do with partners, but like, you're never gonna be able to have any space to let a better partner and if you don't let that go. - Yep. - I understand being scared to let it go. - Yeah, I was always terrified that I wouldn't find anything better, always. Which is so crazy now that I'm in my current situation and I don't know, it's also a situation. - Yeah, I got you started on it. - But in my current, something a bad thing. - In my current situation. - I don't know why it just comes out. - I don't know, well, it's just, current situation is even really funny. - You know what? - In my engagement. - In this situation that I got myself into. - I saw it to talk the other day that said, the women who have the best partners are the women who hate men. - It's true, because I sent it to my fiance and I was like, this is me, yes. - We had a high bar. - What did you draw, Fuello? - I think she drew something. - Fuello says that for sure. - Oh, probably, yeah. - So then you met Jacob and did you know immediately it was different? - I knew immediately it was different. I did, if you, it's not a spoiler, but if you read the book, I did break up with him early into our relationship. - Okay, why? - That was because. - I didn't get through yet. - Yeah, it's spoiler alert. - So I knew immediately it was different. It was just like, oh my God, this is like everything I've ever wanted. He was so funny and had a huge life and had all these friends and had a great job, like just like the total package. The difference between Jacob and my exes were that my exes were like obsessed with me. And like to a point where it was like smothering and I felt that, I felt smothered in all of my other relationships. But that's what I knew what love was and Jacob has such a healthy attachment style that he would just be like, I'd be like, I'm going out, he'd be like, have fun. I'm like, you're not jealous. You're not telling me to stay home. You're not like, what the fuck is going on? And I convinced myself. I'm like, he doesn't even really love me. Like I totally got into this unhealthy, yes. And I was just like, I remember feeling like I don't even think he would care if I broke up with him, which is just not true. And I kept threatening breaking up and he was like, please don't break up with you. Like I'm madly in love with you. And I'd be like, I don't know. Like it was just he was so healthy and stable that I was not used to it. - That's so interesting. Like the pattern he used to, because it sounds like every other guy you were like, he loves me enough for the both of us. - Yeah, I was just like so obsessed with being like wanted. And Jacob wanted me, obviously, and loved me so much, but it was like different. It was not like, he had his own life. He'd be like, okay, you go out with your friends. I'll go out with my friends. Like call me when you can. Like, you know, just like so healthy and so normal, not jealous. - Possessive? Like, no. And I was just like, but why are you not? And like, it was so different for me. So I ended up breaking up with him. - I got myself into therapy. - He was all by the way. - What did he even do? Like was he like, girl, I told you that to do this. - He literally was like, you're being so stupid. - Yeah, stupid. - I mean, you'll read it in the book. He's like, you're being so stupid and you're making such a big mistake. And I was like, okay, like whatever, broke up with him. He was already in therapy, by the way. Like, such a green flag. I was not. - To deal with you. - Yes. - No, literally, he wasn't therapy. And he was like, I don't think this is a good idea. - I was like, I think my girlfriend's gonna break up. - He's in therapy, like she thinks I'm too stable. And I need to unwind that a little bit. - What do I do? - Let's talk me up. - Seriously. And I started therapy and like very quickly realized like what was going on. And I think we were broken up for like three to four months. - Oh, yeah. - A long time, significant. - Okay. - He texted me like once a month being like, hey, I'm still in love with you. And I'm still here. And like what, like, and like every month that went by, he was kind of like, okay, I'm gonna, I'm moving on. Like, I'm gonna like start. He was dating. He was fine. He was having fun. - Yeah. - But he sent me, he went on a trip to the Grand Canyon. And this is, I still get chills talking about this. He hiked down to the bottom and like you camp at the bottom and send, you can like send things via like pack muole. He sent me a postcard. - Postcard, oh my god. - And it said, at the ends of the earth, it's still you. (laughing) - This situation, you got yourself into this situation. (laughing) - He wrote this or was, he wrote that. - Like, it wasn't on the postcard that he came up with. - He wrote it on his own. - He wrote it, it's framed in my apartment. - It's sick. - No one's ever loved me that much. - Really? - I thought I had it like that. - I know. - No, you don't. Like, I got engaged. I thought I had it like that. I did not. It's engraved and then he engraved it in my engagement ring. At the end of the earth. - I really do have it like that. - I would have walked it back. Shocks said shit like that. I'm just like, that was amazing. - That is, it is. - It's from the grand canyon. - Mine is engraved too guys, okay. - Mine is like, I love you until it gets tough and then I will leave you. - Yeah, well. - My ring is the coordinates of a special place. - Oh. - Like it's fine. - And listen, they're not competing. I'm just like, people are listening like we were. But if we were, let's, maybe we should get them together and they can like do it out or something. I was just talking about how secure they are. Okay, so was that what did it? That was certainly push me in the right direction. And then he texted me because I had gotten him tickets to a concert for his birthday. And then the concert was like coming up. And he was like, we were still broken up. He was like, do you wanna come with me? Like you got me these tickets. - I was like before you broke the months, but probably, okay. - Yes, before we broke up and I was away. I was like, I'm away, but like thank you for like, I hadn't answered any of his text messages by the way. This was the first one that I answered. And I was like, thank you for thinking of me, but I'm actually gonna be away. That was like the catalyst. It was the first time I had responded and then we just kept messaging. - Okay. - He, and at this point, I was like, deep in therapy and I was like, I miss him and like, we were texting. He was like, I don't know if you'd ever want to get a drink. So we ended up getting a drink. And I went into it being like, I just want to like, apologize, like I wasn't necessarily, I didn't know what his current situation is, his current situation was, and I was like, I just want to apologize because like, I completely fucked that up. And so we went into it, I apologized, but it was like, there was definitely like a vibe. And I invited him back to my apartment. He came back because I was like, oh, do you want to see Simon? Cause I got Simon before I met him. And so he came back to see Simon. And then I made the first move, I kissed him. And we've been together ever since. - Yeah, so we were, I think we were broken up a total of like four months. - I think it's interesting. You don't see a lot of people break up for that long period of time and get them together. And it sounds like you both kind of did everything right. He checked in intentionally, but not too much. - Yes. - You went to therapy like to figure out like why doesn't this feel like enough for me? - I think that that's a really big thing. I don't think that you should get back together with an ex unless something has changed. If you're just getting back together because you miss each other, but like the reason why you broke up is not different. Like I felt fundamentally different totally. And our relationship since getting back together has been, I mean, we've been together now for over five years. So we've been back together for a very long time, but it's just night and day. Like we are just so much, I'm less crazy. - I think a lot of people do just 'cause you miss each other. I mean, it's a real feeling. I validate it. - Totally. - Like I think that people can only behave for so long. - And then the thing pops up and comes back again. - Yeah. - Well, and it sounds like you reflect on it. Like that's the exact way it needed to happen. Like the break was so important. - I say that all the time. I think if we had just kind of like trudged through it, I don't think it would have turned out as good as it had. I think I needed that breather and I needed to go to therapy and I needed to be on my own. It was also my very first time living by myself, which I think was really instrumental. I got this like 300 square foot studio apartment and on the border of Clinton Hill and Forkering and I just felt like that was so instrumental to like my growth and just like figuring out who I was. So I do, I really feel like that break was necessary. - So when he met Simon for the first time, I saw you talk about this on Chick's Office too, that I wanted to talk about it on our show. Like what was the immediate meeting? Like was there anything special there? Like was it immediate green flags? And he kind of knew he had to win him over. Was he a dog person? Like I just wanna know about his history with Simon too. - So he is, he grew up a dog person. His family actually had like, has three dogs, three rescue dogs, like four times. - Oh, okay. - But he wasn't like a crazy, like he loved dogs, but he wasn't like a crazy dog person like I am. His previous relationship, they actually got a dog together and I think it was like, the dog was really difficult. I think it was like kind of traumatic. - Okay. - And he went into, like when he was dating, he was like, I don't wanna date a girl with a dog. And then he ended up finding like the craziest dog person. - Wait, why? - Why? - Because that dog is a lot of work, right? So it's like you can't travel as freely. Your schedule is more regimented. Like we could only sleep at my apartment unless I was, it was like, it's a whole thing. logistics thing and I think that he had just gone through so much in that previous situation that he was just like, it's like a lot on a relationship and anyway, we matched on him, he sees Simon, he knows that Simon is like my entire life. So he invited, it was COVID. And so we couldn't go on a first date and he was like, come over, like we'll just have like a glass of wine, bring Simon and I was like, I don't know if I want to bring Simon because you know, a dog in a new space, it can be kind of like overwhelming. He was like, I have to win him over, just like I have to win you over. So I brought Simon, he had set up a charcootery board for us and then he'd set up a barcootery board for Simon. Oh my God, that guy was trying to get laid that day. Yeah. And it was like all these little treats all night out on a platter, it was so cute. Simon was like a nightmare. He, Simon immediately pees in his apartment. Simon is completely potty trained. To this day, I'm like, he didn't know. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, talking his territory, testing him. Like, Jacob was like, it's totally fine. I'm like, oh my God, I'm so sorry, like so embarrassed. He knew that Simon had to win Simon over and then the other big thing was like a couple months into our relationship. Simon is really medically complicated. He has like really complex epilepsy, he's very expensive. And really early on in our relationship, Jacob sat me down and was like, I want to split all these bills with you. And I again was pretty, I was less broke than I was previously but I was still, you know, didn't have a lot of money and that was like a big, he was just like, I want to help like alleviate this burden that you have and like take care of him. - You still broke up with him? - Yeah. - He was up before the breakup. So that is just, I was not well. Guys, I was not well. - No, but he knew he was going to like be with you long journey. Like that's how we, he was like, this is my, - He told me I was the love of his life two weeks after we met. - Also, there's nothing wrong with you. I think there's nothing wrong with being like, this isn't enough for me. There's plenty of, like I've, I've dated people to where I'm like, they're a great teammate. They're good looking. They are kind and wonderful. It's not for me. Like I was head over heels in love with him. - Yeah, I think that is what I was like there. I was something what's wrong with me. - That is so huge, you know? And it just, of course, I got for a bit. If Shashankan already gets divorced, Azul's my dog, but like, it was so clear when we first started dating, the first time he met Azul, like he was nervous. - Yeah. - Like it's a big, it's something he has to empath. But now that's our dog. We share responsibility. Like, it's just how it should be. I don't even feel comfortable saying like, my dog can be more even though it's like, it is. You know, he was there years prior, but that is huge. - Yeah, it's a huge thing when you're a single dog. - A sick mom. - A single mom who works to you, jobs. - Yeah, it's, it's a big deal. - When you come to that home. - I don't know. - A dream plug. - This is awkward. - You're a, when you're a single mom, no, single moms are gonna comfort me saying that. No, but when you have a dog as a single person, it is a huge deal to have like whoever you're dating, like that, like your dog, like, and vice versa, like how them like, you know. - And help and want to help like clean up, walk in the dog and run. Were there any red flags with guys you dated and whatever dog you had at the time, whether it was Simon or a foster, like, or do you have any of those, like the way they treated, where they talked to, didn't talk to, did you ever have those moments? It was all pretty cool. - It was all pretty cool. - I mean, I had, when I had a couple guys who were like, I don't want the dog in the bed, which I'm like, absolutely, this is literally Simon's bed. - It feels so unmasked to a red flag. - Such a red flag. - Like, it's just, I'm not doing that. - No, I'm like, this is literally his bed. - I understand you was a little bit more if it's like your bed, but like, that was never the case. I was like, this is, you're literally sleeping. - But we're just not gonna work. Like, no, we don't, we don't share the same values. - Yeah. - Like, guys that don't like dogs, like, they're just, I'm not the biggest animal person in the world. I'm like hyperclaim, I just sound like crazy. I'm really in a retentive. But like, a man that said to me, I just blanket, I'm just not into dogs, that would be so weird. There's only one that I've ever met. And I was like, this is hard to stomach. - Yeah, no, I, and I think that's also it is like, I wouldn't go out with somebody who didn't like dogs, but there were people, there was like, levels to it, I guess I would say, is like, some people are obsessed with dogs, some people like dogs, some people tolerate dogs. And so, but nothing like crazy. But I've definitely certainly turned Jacob into a crazy dog person at this point. - To see of his own dog voice. - He does, yeah, I think we both have dog voices. They're not like, sometimes you hear dog voices and you're like, that's insane. - Yeah. - But where they're like, just a little twin Jonnar normal voices. - Do you guys talk like you're silent? Like, what we, we're always just like, we are like Azul's inner monologue, it's so corny. Like we're like, that's the only way to be a dog, exactly, like you have to, you must, yeah. They can't speak for themselves. - So you guys are getting married in the, September. - In the fall, okay. Tell us if you, like tell us where and what, as much as you want to share. - Yeah, I'm curious. - I think Simon's gonna be involved. - If we're getting married in the Adurondacks at a sleepboy camp. - Oh my God. - And we rented out a sleepboy camp for three days. - I love sleepboy camps. - Are you sure you? - Are you sure you? - No. - How do you know about sleepboy camp? - Really? - A lot of people went to camp. - That's what I meant to do. - That was much of juice. - I know, but did any of that? - Yeah, do a sample do love sleepboy camp. - Do people did in that camp little, do you know? - Yeah. - And my parents shipped me away when I was eight years old for a month. Every single summer, they're like long times. - I will soak in mine, and I'm Catholic. - Okay. - I went to the Christian camp. I didn't know you guys had that. - Yeah, we did. - We did. - A Christian camp? - Well, it wasn't a, I didn't go to a Christian camp, but my mom actually grew up, so she's from Brooklyn. And she went to sleepboy camp in the Hampton. Like as a little girl, before the Hamptons were like super bougie. And she went there. So when I was young, I went to sleepboy camp in the Polka Nose, loved it. When I was 19, I worked as a sleepboy camp counselor in California. - Okay. - And it was like the best time of my life. Like I would still do it if it was like not, wouldn't be weird if I were still a camp counselor. - We did. - It's literally the best. And so Jacob separately was also a camp counselor. And so it's just like big in our personalities. I feel like we're, we have like big personalities. And I also wanted a wedding that was gonna be dog friendly. - Yeah. - So I found this sleepboy camp. They're super dog friendly. - For other dogs? - Yes, like guests are bringing their dogs. - Guests are bringing their dogs. Guests are bringing their dogs. I'm bringing Simon, obviously. - Did I read this on Instagram? 'Cause I saw you say that like obviously, it's like bring your dogs. - Yeah. - Oh, I just posted about my wedding invite. So that's probably where you saw it. And so everybody's brought your dog. - Bring your dog. - I was like, my head exploded. - So it's like three days of adult summer camp. - With dogs. - With dogs. - I'm so mad and jealous I didn't think of this first. - You could do it. - I do it. - You're not gonna do the dog thing. - But a summer camp, this is the camp. - I'm a coughing camp in West Virginia. I'm gonna drive everybody out there. - Totally. - I'm stopping you. - I'm just like, I'm so mad. I'm like, you will not have it. - I'm not having anybody. - I'm not having it. - I'm not having it. - I'm not having it. (laughing) - You can do it. You can also do it with just like your friends. Like get a hundred of your closest friends, actually and I'll do it for you. - So it's everybody's bringing their dogs three days. So it's like, we went out the full camp. So like everybody's staying in cabins. The lake, archery, like the whole thing. We're doing a field day. We're doing a talent show. - Talent show, oh my God. - Yeah, we're doing a talent show. - And then the Saturday will be the actual wedding day. So like a normal ceremony and like whatever. But like the rest of the days are just like, you're fun, like the campfire every night. - Yeah, it's gonna be amazing. - I didn't know you could do this. This should be the biggest trend. I mean, did you invent this? I didn't know you could. - I didn't invent it, but I do think this. - I've seen a couple people like on TikTok do it before. I just, I don't know. I just like wanted it. I love, I love Upstate New York. Prior to the most popular belief. The Adderonnex are so gorgeous though. But I just knew I wanted it to be longer than just like the day. I feel like sometimes I go to weddings and it's just like gone like that. - We did four days and we felt like a camp at the end of it. - Yeah. - Everybody knows each other. - Yeah, like a few people came to our wedding like just Saturday and I'm like, you've missed the weekend. We are all bonded for life. - You've been here for three days. - You've been here for three days yesterday. - Yes, you've missed it. - Yeah. - How many people, I'm just curious. - We're inviting like 130. - Okay. - So it'll, it won't be that many. But it'd be surprised. - If you know that the wedding people want to go to. - Yeah. - If I did a summer camp, if me and my fiance did a summer camp. I feel like we'd do a challenge. And I'd be like, actually, and I were actually gonna be in charge of this. - Yeah. - We were doing the show. - Yeah, actually, and I were actually gonna, over and you did a set it, my buddy. So. - Right. - Rainy officiated and fucking. - Well, yeah, my best friend is officiating. So that's, and then our, one of our good friends is actually like a comedian actor and he's hosting the challenge now. - Oh my God. - So he, we do have like, we're putting all the personalities to work. - It'll be a whole thing. Is Simon involved in this ceremony at all? - Simon? Simon will be there the whole weekend, obviously. But Simon has this like work that like, if he knows that he's supposed to be quiet, he'll bark. So I don't know if he'll be invited to the ceremony. But like, he'll definitely do pick photos with him. Well, like, I don't know if he needs to like witness it. - Well, wait, so my husband walks a zool down and a little talks. We got him. He's just really quiet. - I was gonna say I'm sure he's better behind. - But he, he actually just, he's great. I do, he, I don't even know what would happen. - Yeah, but he used to come on stage with us in front of thousands of people. - Oh, he did. - And just sat there. We didn't tell him all, he just sat on stage. It was like iconic. So yeah, he would have been fine. But we bring him up to the front. And he is like a kind of weird about surfaces. And we got married in like a pedestal thing. And we thought he was gonna be up there 'cause we wanted him in the photos. - Yeah. - But he, like, put a pile up and was like, absolutely not. It was kind of slippery. He hates like a slippery surface. - Is he neurodivergent? (laughing) - He's like the texture. - He's a little weird with, like, what he also actually really doesn't like, so we're so slippy. - We're so slippy. - Yeah, so he, we've all had it. - Well, she did birth him, she passed it on. - She passed it on it. - Yeah, it's hereditary. So he went off to the side and was with my husband's family, this little talk. - Oh, we really thought he was just gonna be up there. Me, Raina, Shashank, and Azul on that pedestal. - I really, the hardest I cried in her wedding, I think where I was like, I have to have avert my eyes was watching her husband and the dog walk down the aisle. I thought it was gonna be seen her walk down the aisle. - Azul, yeah, I mean, a dog in a little talk, so we'll really getcha. - I know, let me know if you want the link. It's a good one. - Yeah, I'm gonna do. - Yeah, that's so fun. - Yeah, I'm very excited. - Yeah, that's really, really fun. - Well, tell us what's next. - Yeah. - You wrote this book, I mean, it's just, it's so great in the movie, the TV show. - Yeah, it's the TV show. I'm obviously so over the moon. As I wrote this book, I knew it would make a good TV show or at least I thought so. I think it's written in a very episodic way where it's a boyfriend and then a dog or a roommate and then a dog and it's kind of like these little chapters. And so I was so thrilled when it got picked up. We're in the process of finding writers right now, so it's still very early days, but that's really exciting. And then I am working on another book. This one is a novel. - Oh. - People have asked me if I'm gonna write another memoir. I was like, I don't have anything else to say. - I was just gonna ask you, I'm only 33. - I don't wanna put you on the spot. I'm like, did you dump it all pretty much? - Yeah, I mean, I think I have to live a little bit more later before I can write another memoir. 'Cause I'm like, this one ends when I'm 30 and I'm 33. So I'm like, what do I even write about the last three years? - I'm obsessed with this and I love that career trajectory. We, do you know Dolly Alderton? - I am so obsessed with her. - So like her first book, all the things I learned about love and everything I know about love. - Yeah, and friendship and whatever, the subtitle. But then she moved on. I mean, she dumped all our stories and it was incredible and then she moved on to writing these novels, which were obsessed with ghosts and then good material. - It's crazy 'cause I was researching your book and you for the episode and one of the things I saw, immediately it said, if you love Dolly Alderton's everything I know about love, you'll love this book. - She's a huge inspiration for me. She was actually when you're like submitting a book proposal, you have to write like your comps and she was like my number one. Actually, I have a kind of a crazy story. So I finished my book, writing my book in London and I kind of felt like I needed to be like out. You know when you're like, you need to be outside of something to like look at it. Like if you're too emesited, it's hard to finish. So I went to London to finish it. I closed my laptop, cried, went and got a glass of wine and then I walked into a bookstore and that book is front center, but it's not a new book. So I was like, oh this is so interesting and I opened it, it's signed by her. And I was like, it was like full body chills. I bought it, obviously. It was like such this huge moment 'cause she's such an inspiration. Her career is such an inspiration. And like kind of it's like what I wanna mimic. - Yes. - So that was just, it was so weird. - Wow. - I just finished my book. - Wait, it's not new. - No, it's not new. And it was like, I saw it and I had a little stick around it. It was like, oh, I like opened it, it's signed by her. I was like, what? - That's crazy. - That's so special. I found the book. I don't know if you remember this. This guy that I slept with, he was like, this is my favorite book. - That's great. - He was like, he's a comedian at a comedy festival. And we were out all night long and we had sex all night and we were so fucked up and at like six in the morning, I was like, on my way back to my room and I was like, what's this book? And he was like, it's my favorite book. And I was like, it's not- - That's his favorite book. - The memory I was like, it's mine now. And I just took it to my room and that's how we found the book. - Wow. - Well, I saw it in a bookstore. Again, it was kind of like in LA, it was kind of front and center for an older book. But we just love, I mean, ghosts and good material. Like the breakup book from a man is just like, I mean, she's amazing. - And she also has written a couple TV shows now, which she's like done a couple. Yeah, she's, God, I'm blanking on, she did some adaptation recently. That was like, really cool. I just think she's the coolest ever. - Your book, I wanted to like go buy it in a bookstore. It's my favorite bookstores in Delaware. It's in Rojo with Beach where I'm from. And it was just really like, they have, which is right in the shelf, like top of the best seller that I was totally so fond. - Do you have a favorite bookstore here? - Favorite bookstore. I live in Greenpoint, so I love Word on Greenpoint. It's actually, I did my pre-sale campaign through them. And I mean, there's so many good bookstores in New York City. Like, just unlimited good bookstores. But that's the one I go there all the time. Like, it's on my like, loop with the dog. So I always just like, stop in and see what they have. And yeah, they're the best. - I love that. - Well, this was so good. We could just talk to you. - I know, this is so great. - No, this was phenomenal. And you are still sort of on a book tour? - Yeah, I'm doing events through the summer, but my like, long haul book tour, that was like three weeks straight is over. Thank God, I had the time of my life, but I'm like, I need a nap. But yeah, we're here and there. There's gonna be a couple more events, so. - Okay, but you're also planning a wedding. Like, are you pretty involved? It sounds, I mean, you gotta like going on. - Yeah, there's a lot going on. - Yeah, and I just moved two days ago. - I mean, oh my God, I love that. - We love that. - Well, me too. (laughs) - We love that. - Where can people find you, find your Instagram and anything else that you are working on? - Yeah, so my Instagram on my TikTok is @simonsets and my memoir, Dogs, Boys and other things I've cried about is available wherever books are sold. - Yes, so great. Congratulations on our success. - Thank you guys for having me. - Well, you guys know where to find us. Girls, gotta eat.com. Girls, gotta podcast Instagram TikTok. I am Ash Hess on Instagram in TikTok. Rain is @greenberg, Raina Greenberg for her tour tickets. - Oh, I'll be in Nashville in Salt Lake next week. - Okay. (laughs) - Come to my shop. - Grab those and we will not have a snack on Thursday. We're gonna be in Dewey Beach. So we will see you guys Monday, watch full video on Spotify and YouTube. And we'll see you guys then. - Have a good week guys. - Bye. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)