"You Are a DANGEROUS MAN!" Rabbi Shmuley vs Iceland Protester + Steven Crowder

- You lied to your teeth, and then you said fuck Israel. - Fuck Israel, fuck the genocide going on. - He attacked me in a hate crime. - I never touched them in the video. - Are you seriously inverting this story from a Jewish victim of the hate crime? - Shows the character off of this man, and it shows that he will go in any lane to get views. - You're a dangerous man, and I will never - Oh, okay, that's for big. - Actually, it shows his intentions. - Now that you see his intentions. - Fascism is immoral, but, after notes, economically, can yield some results, so it's immoral, but sometimes it works. If I have to choose Mamdani or pinnashay, I'll go pinnashay. If it's AOC or pinnashay, maybe I'd blow my head off. - The rabbi, an activist, Schmooly Butteach, was at the centre of a firestorm again this week after chasing down a Icelandic couple who interrupted his vacation on the volcanic island. Schmooly says that Samuel Goodmanson, posed as a fan who wanted a selfie before surprising him with a political message. Or the words, "Fuck Israel," to be exact. The rabbi posted a video in which he followed Goodmanson and his girlfriend through the streets. He accused him of anti-Semitism and vowed to press charges. - I told you it was on the phone. I told you I didn't want to interrupt, and you said you just want to, you said my resolution, you said that you're a big fan. You lied to your teeth, and then you said, "Fuck Israel." - Of course he did. - Why would you do that? - How would I tell you, "Fuck Israel." "Fuck Israel," "Fuck Israel," "Fuck Israel." "Fuck the genocide going on," "Fuck." - What do I do with that, you know it? - Let him say, "History will not favor the genocide "that you are behind." - Okay? - We have freedom of speech. - You do? - You do walk up to walk up to your family. - I will say, "Fuck Israel," the whole day. This is my country, welcome to my country. - This is the face of hatred. Anti-Semitism, the face of Jew hatred, the face of what we've faced in 2000 years. - Well, Shrewley's vigilante Gambit has so far mostly backfired in the court of public opinion. The statement, "Fuck Israel," is considered rude in Iceland, but it's not illegal. Iceland's government takes a hard-line stance on the Gaza war. It was among the first to join the genocide and war crimes case against Israel and Netanyahu in the International Criminal Court. It has recognized the sovereign Palestinian state at the UN since 2011, and some of the country have praised Samuel Goodmanson for his Nordic stoicism. Well, he joins me now. Samuel Goodmanson, welcome to Uncensored. - Thank you very much for having me. It's a pleasure. - Well, it's good to have you. This story's got a lot of attention, not just in Iceland, but also now around the world, as the video clips have gone viral. I want to play a clip that you yourself recorded of your perspective on this. Let's take a look. - I don't know what, excuse me. Sorry, I'm not from here, and I'm not. - No, no, are you rapized movie? - I am, how'd you know that? - I'm a huge fan of that. - That's amazing. - Can I just get up-- - Can you wait one second, 'cause I'm gonna claw with an attorney for just one second? - Okay, I'm just on a video, like already, can I just do a shout out or something? Can I just-- - You gotta give me a second. - Okay, we're just walking by. We're just-- - What do you want from this? - No, just if I can do-- - Yeah, I can do something. - Can you turn a frame? - Okay. - Is it okay? - Yep. - Okay, fuck Israel. - Okay. - Now, I'm gonna come to the way that Rabbi Schmooly responded to this in a moment. But just on the face of it, you know, going up to somebody in the street and saying, fuck their country, in the way that you did, do you accept that was a very provocative thing to do? - Of course, that was the point. - And what was the exact point you wanted to make? - To show a supporter of genocide and his son that's actively participating in such genocide that us Icelanders don't take kindly to that. - Right, but I mean, let me give you an analogy, which is I was a big protestor against the Iraq war, for example, when my British government went to war in Iraq in 2003. But if somebody had come up to me in the street, regardless of what side of the debate they were on and said, fuck Britain, I'd have been extremely angry with that person, because they were basically telling an entire country, fuck you, rather than individuals like a prime minister, a government, or so on. Do you accept that by just saying, fuck Israel, you were taking a blanket offensive term, which almost every Israeli I know would be offended by? - Absolutely, because the current state of the state of Israel is an unjust state and internationally condemned and content in an international court of justice that they are actively participating in war crimes in genocide. And it has nothing to do with an individual or anything. I know plenty of Israelis are against this current state of affairs. So, yes, of course, it's a generalization, but yes, that's how it works if that's the current state of things. - Rabbi Smouli accused you of hating Jews of being anti-submitting. What do you say particularly about that charge? - It's a complete nonsense and it's a cheap shot he would take and it's, I don't know why you had to go there. Like he could have said I was rude or a whole plethora of things, but I guess he wanted to take a love of a belt shot and he even accuses me in the post, in the caption, in the video itself. Of me saying these things and it's categorically false 'cause the whole event was recorded. It's like he says I said fuck Jews. He says I put my arm around him, I never touched them in the video. He multiple times tried to walk into me while trying to chase my girlfriend up in the street. But yes, I mean, I expect, I know of him before this event, I knew who this guy was obviously that's why I went up to him. I know he's provocative, he's evangelical with these things and he has no problem being liable or no matter the consequences. He has no problem being dishonest and I don't like that. - What followed after this was Rabbi Smooly pursuing you and your girlfriend through the streets with his son in the background for at least 10 minutes. It was pretty aggressive, many people viewed it as harassment, particularly given the way that your girlfriend was responding. She looked very intimidated by what was happening. You know, what was her feeling as this was happening? - She was very fearful and embarrassed first and foremost that just to be on camera, she's a camera shot and she barely knew who he was. I gave her the quick intro to him just before I walked up to him. I told him what I think of him and what he's responsible for and what he stands for. And she had nothing to do with it. She stood away from us when I went up to him, took the initial video and she should have not been a part of this because she had nothing to do with it. And I get it if he wanted to imply that she was a part of it by proxy or something, but chasing her down the street and avoiding me and his IDF son also chasing her is completely despicable. And it shows the character of this man. And it shows that he will go at any length to get views or some kind of reaction. And but yeah, I'm very proud of her for staying strong. She told me she wanted to cry but she didn't, she's too strong. And did she have any problem after this incident when you went off together? Did she have any problem with the fact that you had started this? Because obviously if you hadn't said "Fuck Israel" to Rabbi Schmooly, none of what happened after would have occurred. Of course it was the awkwardness of the whole situation, but ultimately she was clapped at I did the right thing. I was super glad I did the right thing because I of course knew much more about them this guy than she did. And but yes, she was ultimately like excited that when I told her more about this and she's been getting positive messages, you've been getting praise from her colleagues at work and yeah it's good enough turned out better in the end. 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Rabbi Smooly, welcome back to Uncensored. What do you have to say to Samuel Goodmanson? You know, peers, respectfully. You and I have been friends for many years. Thank you for having me on your show again. Pears, are you seriously inverting this story from a Jewish victim of the hate crime who could not have been more pleasant to an Icelandic man who came over and admits that he lied. fraudulently misled me and said, I'm a huge fan. I said, I'm on the phone with an attorney. We pay for hours by the attorney, you know? I said, give me five minutes. And he said, but I'm leaving now. And I have to do it now. And he takes the command. He says, "F Israel, I'm not going to use his bold guarantee because I'm not a vulgar person." He attacked me in a hate crime. And the fact that he now admits that he dragged his poor girlfriend into this shows he's also a misogynist. So, we've a self-admitted liar who posted the video of his fraudulence and his lie. All the anti-Semites have to always use deceptive tactics. He then sparked a wave of harassment and attacks against me and my children and my one-year-old grandson that hit probably 30 or 40. They were all documented, have been watched by tens of millions of people the world over. Now, I'm going to prove in the space of a single question that Samuel, who has a biblical Hebrew name's interesting enough, that's my name, she really is Samuel and Hebrew, that he could not care less about a false genocide in Gaza that's not happening. There were 400,000 Arabs in Gaza when Israel took over in '67 through a defensive war, and there are now two million. How does a genocide increase the population five times their amount before? It's fraudulence. But I'm going to prove that you couldn't care less Samuel about Arabs. Samuel, how many Palestinian refugees since the 2008 Civil War in Syria and October 7th, and what you call it, how many Palestinian Arab refugees as your country, which only has 350,000 people in a country five times the size of Israel taken in as migrants, as refugees, to give them safety. How many? Are you going to do your same little point you made to the video people? I am asking you since you've said it's a genocide, and it's not that you hate, it's not that you hate Jews. You care about Palestinian life. Your country is empty. People can drive it from end to end. It's only 350,000 people in a country. No, no, no, no, no, no. And the answer, and the answer, and the answer, he won't answer. The answer is because he doesn't know. Too many months, sir. How many months? And by slowly, you've asked a question. He won't answer. He's saying you have something to do. Well, let him answer. Let him answer. Let him answer. Your opinion of whether a lot or a few came in will either be negative or positive. And that's up to you. I don't care what your opinion is. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's still pretending. Let him answer the question. What's the worst thing? I tried to speak. Let him answer. Even 10 minutes, he won't. No, Rabbi Smirley, I will decide who speaks. Let him answer properly. Then he can respond. OK, how many? How should they feel as migrants from the time of their homeland? Why should they feel the need to leave their homeland because of your war of progression and expansion in Israel? You answer that question. May I now continue, please, first? Pears, may I now continue, please? Or you're going to get-- OK, now. Iceland has taken in 200 Palestinians over the past nearly 20 years, 200. They could fit into this building. Iceland only has 2,000 Muslim residents in the entire country. Iceland tried to ban circumcision. It would have made it a criminal act. And it was seen not as anti-Semitic. It was seen as Iceland not wanting Muslims because Muslims are even much more insistent. Iceland doesn't know about Muslims. We were here for the past two weeks. So we saw five black faces in the entire country. It is everyone knows. It is statistically the most white homogenous country on Earth. So for Iceland to start virtue signaling, we allow no blacks, no Muslims, no Palestinian refugees, no Islamic refugees. White people alone are allowed into this country. But we're going to choose one route to demonize, harass on the streets, attack them, and call them baby killers. What is interest? OK, I have one final point. I have a question for you. I have a final point. I am not Israeli. I'm an American. My country protected Samuel's country for 50 years. They don't have it for me. They don't spend-- no, I do not. You're a liar. I'm not a Israeli citizenship. You are an absolute fraudulent liar. I'm an American citizen. You invented that in the same way you lie that you're a fan of mine. I'm an American. My country spent 50 years defending your country. and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, here's, here's, let me tell you one final thing. Your British system, here's your country, here's your country illegally invaded Iceland in April of 1941 because they feared that the Germans would take over Iceland. Your country did that. Your great prime minister who you praised is the greatest state of the century. And then finally, yeah, one second, and it was, it was April 1941. It was 1940. Here's, here's, here's, here's, here's, fine, 1940, here's finally, finally, here's Winston Churchill who I like you consider the greatest states of the state of the century killed one million German and Italian children in the second world war. Now, let's say you as a celebrity come to Iceland and they walk over to you. Sam, you want this pierce. I am such a fan. Can I take a picture and then he looks to you in the face and said, you effing baby killer, effing Britain, you killed a million German children. What do you think is two things? Hey, this is how you treat your guests when 10% of your entire economy is dependent on, let me respond. I need to speak. I need to speak. I want to focus specifically on this incident that everyone's been talking about and has watched. And my point to you, Rabbi, is not that you shouldn't have been offended. If not outraged by what happened here is quite clear, Samuel did go up, pretend to be a fan and then said, fuck Israel on camera so that he could have a moment at your expense. I completely agree with you. I would have probably reacted badly to someone did that to me. They have done it to me over the years, often completely erroneously because I think my position on something is not what it is. But anyway, that's the fate of being a public life. I have two thoughts about what you've been saying and what I've seen. One is if Iceland's that bad, why have you gone there on vacation? And secondly, I would say to you that your behavior in the 10 minutes that followed Samuel saying fuck Israel was outrageous because there was a young woman clearly very intimidated by what you were doing didn't want to be on camera. She had nothing to do with this. She didn't say anything to you. And I thought you'll continue to harassment of with her that looking intimidated and scared and the Samuel said close to tears. I think was reprehensible. Two things could be true at the same time. Here's I'm amazed that you would invert this that it a victim of an anti-Semitic hate crime is now the harasser. This is always a story with the Jews. You're going to turn over. Where was the anti-Semitic hate crime? Let me let me let me let me let me see anti-Semitic. Let me respond October 7th Israel is attacked women either breast cut off. There was a plane volleyball with a breast shooting them in the bridge. And when Israel protects itself, of course, it's also a aggressor and he'll be a genocide in rabbi. A rabbi is walking with his one-year-old grandson and with his four children. A man comes in the lives and says I'm a fan. He says, "F Israel, I won't take work because I'm not older." I've accepted this girl friend. Where was his anti-Semitic? His girlfriend stood with him the entire time. You should be pointing a finger at a misogynist who admits that he did not kill the anti-Semitic. Where was he? Going over to an American Jewish citizen in middle of the street and harassing and making them feel very unsafe and attacking them when they're alone and don't know and saying, "F Israel, to your face, that is anti-Semitic." No, it's not. If you're a British man, if they think go over and say, "No," it is new. Here's to a human million. Let me stop you there. It was harassing. It was harassing. I'm just saying, "I really am." Wait a minute. Can you. Okay. I'm going to step. I'm going to step. "F Israel is not a criticism." "F Israel is an attack on Jews." Let me talk please. No, it's not an attack on Jews. No, you accused him of being a Jew-hater and a big anti-Semitic. Nothing I see in these videos. Because he came over in law and said I'm a fan and anti-Semitic. No. No. - He doesn't like you, he doesn't free, okay? Then let him walk over and say, "I say respect to you that I don't like you." - Yeah, it just to be clear, it's fine. You can, I'll let Samir respond, Samir respond. - I'm sorry, yeah, it shows the nature of your thinking and also in the grander scheme of the nature of your warfare for a man to approach you and you and your son, two men, one of them, an IDF soldier chasing down a micro-friend and largely ignoring me, pushing into me to get to her with the camera. You lie to her. - That's a lie. - You are lying through your teeth. You are an anti-Semite, the rest of them this way. - You are lying. - Who lied and said you're a fan and we did not follow your girlfriend. We followed you. You were with her the entire time. You admitted that you lied to her and said, "Thank you, buddy." - And now you're saying she was proud of you. You just said she's proud that you attacked me. I am sorry, I am sorry. Pierce American tourists, who, my taxpayer money kept this country safe for 80 years since the Cold War. My money, they don't spend $1 on defense. I am an American tourist. I deserve to be treated with a simple defense. - Yeah, but you also live, you also live. - Rabbi Smooly, Rabbi Smooly. - Rabbi Smooly, you also live in a free day. Hang on one second, all three of us. Iceland, UK, America, all live in free democratic societies. If Samuel Goodmanson wants to say fuck Israel, he's legally allowed to say it. I wouldn't say it. - Is he allowed to harass me on the street? - Wait a minute, let me finish talking. Let me finish talking. Let me finish talking, right? So I understand why you would be angry, but he doesn't justify the way that you harassed his girlfriend for 10 minutes. - So I did not harass him at all. - She was intimidating. - I'm sorry. - You did. - That is your, that is your strategy. - You are very lazy. - You are very lazy. - And you've accused him. - Listen, listen, listen. - Let me finish my point. - No, let me finish my point. Let me finish my point. Not only did you harass your victims. - You are blaming the victims. - Clearly, no, I'll shut up. - Smooly, get it. - You are blaming the victim. - You have accused, you have accused Samuel of being anti-submitting and of hating Jews. Nothing that he has said either in those video clips or here on this program says that he is anti-submitting or hates Jews. He just opposed you. - You're kidding. - What is wrong? - You're kidding, right? - Has been doing in Gaza. And by the way, which is why? - Which is why. - Which is why? - Which is why? - Which is why? - Which is why? - Which is why? - Which is why? Which is why? - Which is why? Two thirds of your own country, the United States, now have a negative view of what Israel, the state of Israel, has been doing in Gaza. His opinion is not an outlier. You know that Israel's popularity around the world has been plummeting because of the actions of Benjamin Netanyahu and his government. So the idea that because somebody criticizes Israel or the Israeli government, they are automatically Jew haters or anti-submitting, as you have tried to frame this, is outrageous and completely wrong. He is not from anything I've heard, anti-submitting or anti-Jewish. So why say that? - May I respond? - May I respond? - You've got nothing from respond. - When I know, excuse me, excuse me. You ask me why I came to Israel. I love this country. It's external beauty is unmatched. It should be actually reflected with an internal beauty. Are you aware here that Iceland from 2000 to 2000, in 2016, at an Israeli first lady named Doreet Westia, if it was more popular, even than her husband, the president, this country once loved Jews. Even though they only allowed eight Jews in during the entire Holocaust, they were under Denmarky and controlled. - Then we're gonna do it. - 1000 Jews. Wait, wait a second. - Wait a second, wait a second. - Wait a second, wait a second, wait a second. You're not, you're not, you're not, let me speak. - You're not, let me speak. Israel, Israel, Israel, accusing Israel, the only Jewish state in the world of a genocide. When this country, this past Sunday, March for LGBTQQ rights, where Hamas takes gay men and castrates them, where Hamas takes teenage girls and has their brothers killed them for having a girlfriend. - What's the question? - Hamas said not that. - We're Hamas. - Hamas has not had Hamas. - What was that one or two days after this? - We're Hamas, excuse me. We're Hamas has not had elections in 2006. We're Mahmoud of Olsen, - We're Hamas. - The only gay bar in Iceland to get kicked out. - It's a parade, it's a parade to go to God, and it's not been there since 2000, it's because the leader of the Palestinians would be killed. - You want Jews. - You want Jews. - You want Jews to die with a house in nature. - As far as it is. - As far as it is. - Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Wait a minute. - As far as it is. - As far as it is, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. - Now you're attacking it. - You cannot say. You cannot say he, sorry. - You cannot say he, you just said he wants Jews to die. You've lost your mind, man. What are you talking about? - Oh, I said he doesn't want Jews to defend themselves. It's the same thing, like in the Second World War. - You're a historian. - You said he wants Jews to die. - Excuse me, I said he wants Jews to be attacked. - Without, that's right. - You said he wants Jews to die, I heard you. - Let me be, let me be, let me be. - I heard you say what you said. - Let me be. - Don't lie about it. You'll hear what you say. - If October 7th, it will be. - This is not a rages day. - It's not an idea. - It's not an idea. - Jews will die. - And you're only shooting yourself. - The mass has a constitution that calls for a second Holocaust of all the Jewish people without an idea. - You're no longer defending the mass. Why are you talking about-- - You're talking about everything. - You're saying that Israel cannot be talking about what it's going on. - It is the mass that you just killed. - No, he's not saying that. - He's not saying that. - Nobody is saying that. - And by the way. - Final crime. - Final crime. - Listen, listen, here. It's a clear, purely two-on-one debate. I don't mind. I have had worse thoughts. - Your blood pressure's up right now. - Come on. Come on. - Your country, your country, Pierce, had a five-to-one civilian to combat in death ratio in the Second World War. Churchill killed five German civilians for every one very much soldier. Israel has killed one-to-one. One civilian to one-- - How do you know that? - How do you know that? - You know that, because I've debated this on your show 10,000-- - No, these numbers have not been-- - It's in every-- - It's in every-- - Yes, they have. And I've done this a thousand times. - These numbers have not been established. No, they haven't. No, they haven't. - I'm asking you what I'm asking. - No, they haven't. It's an absolute lie. You have no idea what it is, one-to-one. No idea. You've just invented-- - You've invented-- - Even according to the number. - Even according to the number. Even according to the number. And the reason we don't know. And the reason we don't know exactly the reason we don't know how many civilians are dying in Gaza. It's because 80% of Gaza got leveled to the ground. And the Israeli government will not let international journalists into Gaza to do their jobs, despite their being supposed to cease fire for many months. It's the feet of the Israeli people. So, it is not all lies. It's not all lies. It's not all lies. It's not all lies. It's not all lies. It's not all lies. No, it's not all lies. It's not all lies. It's not all lies. It's not all lies. It's not all lies. Stop lying. Stop lying. Stop lying. Stop lying. Stop lying. The only journalists-- The only journalists who've been allowed into Gaza have been embedded with the IDF. I want international media, given there's a ceasefire, to be allowed to be allowed to be, well, you know what, you know what? The IDF has killed over 200 Palestinian journalists and tries to pretend they're all Hamas, which is also an outrageous lie. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, It's crazy that he's still playing the victim, 70,000 Palestinians killed, uninhabitable for over two million people. The damage is already done. They're already almost at their final stage. They've wiped out Gaza. They've turned it into a wasteland and they're talking about rebuilding it as a hotel resort. You know, what a life for a person to, if they even survive that they can work as a hotel as a housekeeping or maybe at the desk, in the land where they once lived, and you can see this man is proud of this and you can see that this man is completely incredulous and he does not have any sympathy. He does not have any morals and that is the reason why it drives people at the other side of the world in Iceland. People have good moral conscience here in Iceland. We're a strong, independent and moral people. It drives us to say we don't like this and we're going to say something about it. And that's why you have us. We were at the forefront in, oh, okay, sorry, sorry. No, no, this and I appreciate you guys. May I ask one? Yes, yes. I've unmuted you. I've unmuted you, but what I want to play you is a, this is a mashup of your confidence. The members of the public in various countries. Let's take a look This coward Disgusting anti-Semite said in front of the entire public that I am a power broker for Jeffrey Epstein You recognize me from here some organ You said you don't agree my views about what your present isn't you support Argentina have your melee loves this row How is it that a British man is allowed to walk over to a Jew and an anti-Semite walks over a tattoo in an airport? How does he have a visa here? Now I would put it to you Rabbi Schmooly that you love this stuff It gives you a lot of attention a lot of clips and that often you go out of your way to harass people Whilst playing the victim and I don't understand why you need to do that. Pete. It's a free country People want to say what they want to say fine. Let him I haven't argued with him fine But to film yourself going after people in the streets around the world Constantly you're clearly doing this for clicks declaring it for put you know to to be Popular whatever you think you're being I looked at the comments under your post where you posted this encounter with Samuel I don't know what you've had a chance to read them. They are unrelentingly Hostile and negative to you and these are people largely you follow you on social media at some point The pennies should drop Rabbi Schmooly that yes, it's not nice when people come up and say fuck Israel to you But that doesn't make them anti-Semitic. It doesn't make them a Jew hater It means they don't like what the Israeli government is doing right now And by the way, nor do most people around the world actually according to all the polls So to try and conflate criticism of a state or a government with Jew hating or anti-Semitism I think it's one of the laziest tropes and most insidious tropes out there right now Nothing Samuel has said makes me think he hates Jew Jewish people or his anti-Semitic He just doesn't like what Israel's doing in Gaza and other places and nor do a lot of people So you can have a problem with him being rude to you and I agree with you But the way you went after him for 10 minutes the way that his girlfriend was clearly very upset Amidated and felt harassed by you. You would do that with impunity and be proud of it And we just showed a mushroom of you doing this relentlessly makes me think you're doing this for publicity and clicks and playing the victim Yeah, and I'm just starting to do that. It's Machiavell and he doesn't care if they respond This is a sad date. This is a sad date for you personally. I'll tell you why because no, I didn't call you You know what you now you won't even let me speak. Well, you let me speak This is a sad date for you. Yeah, personally here's first of all you get a thousand times more negative message You get a thousand times more negative messages on your feeds than I do orders of magnitude But I like you because you don't care what people say neither do I I will stand for righteousness Don't bring up up what people comment. I couldn't care less number number two. Your producers Your producers called me to be on the shows. They don't talk to me about clickbait. You're using this to clickbait number three I only film people who threaten my life or attack me like some of the clips you showed I was physically assaulted in Vienna by two of my Palestinian brothers and sisters I was physically attacked in Florida and hotel where man said I'm gonna take you out and threaten to kill me And call me a baby killer Jews have been called baby killers beginning in your country in Norwich going back to thousand years Oh, you're accused of drinking the blood of Christens. There are there have been many many decent ice landers who have issues with the policies of The Israeli government which which they should because there's also democracy and I've walked over and said I'm ashamed It's Samuel. I'm ashamed at my country The man who set up this interview for your people you hired wrote to me saying I am ashamed of way my country has treated you Samuel opened a can of words my from my one-year-old grandson and my four children to be harassed attacked assault and fear for our lives I can't walk down the street. What did you do? You were telling you excuse me excuse me and the only and I'm and I'm not a woman I'm not a woman. I am not a woman. I have not I have never touched anyone. I have no I have only the only excuse we've got a total The only defense. I have the only defense No, my girl. He won't even he won't be the only defense. I really miss didn't even have the only defense I have I was gonna find her family the only defense I have pierced. I'm still Is something because there are that many anti summits in the world sadly, but let me tell you something pierced Okay, it's something that we Americans we Americans call you You only need him. This is a two on one can I respond to your question or will you not be in the street for saying thank you for dealing with it? Don't be a two on one. I'm not even speaking. The only defense I have is something called the first amendment and Shrine did my constitution to record or fill or respond to an absolute tsunami and wave of Jewish tourists being assaulted in Barcelona two days ago being attacked in Athens three days ago. There's a couple missing in Austria, Jewish woman Jewish tourists are being assaulted now. Let me make one point. I'm not Israeli. I'm American. My taxpayers gives this man the right to speak freely for the past 80 years. And let me tell you what he's doing. He might say that a couple of people will write he is destroying tourism. I have I have received tens of thousands of message from American saying we will not go to this country that I see calls. Oh, what a load of crap. They call Trump. Absolutely. It will. No, this isn't. Right. I'm going to give the final word to Samuel. So final word to Samuel. Well, because he got a little bit attack. No, because you'd be talking you. You've got twice the air time that he's had. Samuel, final word to you. Ask you, Rabbi. Are you still in the country? That is none of your business. Do you want your friends to come and beat me up? Okay, okay. Do you want your friends to come and harass me? How dare you ask that you are a dangerous man. And I will never tell you. Okay. Let me show you his intentions. Now when you see his intentions. Now you clearly see his intentions. Out disgusting. A question. Are you the prime minister? Are you the police? You know, in my country impersonating the police? Is that right? Please. I can hear the last word, please. Rabbi, be good. Let me finish. Rabbi, surely again. So I can listen to the Samuel. All right, Sam, final question is because the international court of justice is of course is an ongoing investigation started by South Africa. I believe using Israel of more crimes. Now war crimes are have an international response that they apply internationally and they should be treated as such and they should be punished as such. Now recently, quite recently, I don't know exactly. I slide a criminal law became intertwined with international war crime laws, meaning that if you are suspected of being committing a war crime. You can be arrested in our country. So that's why I asked, because if you're not out already, I would take your IDF son and get the hell out while we still can before cops get wise to you. May I respond, please? May I respond? Yeah, respond. Go on. May I respond? Samuel, you should read the news. You should read the news sometime. The ICC prosecutor who brought those charges against Israel, which are charges. It's not a trial. His name is Karen Khan. He was fired and suspended by the ICC. I was arrested by the ICC and he was and he was he was arrested and sorry, he was forced to resign for what you did. He sex. He abused a woman and she came forward and CNN and he was fired and it was. Well, you did your girlfriend. Well, you did your girlfriend and involving her in a hate crime without talking about my girlfriend. It's not any female abuse. I feel sorry for her. I see. I see that's outrageous. It's outrageous. It's actually what you did to his girlfriend. That's the problem. Yeah, it's my opinion. It's my opinion. I'm protected. I'm protected. I'm protected and I'm protected to quote somebody a little earlier. I'm protected by my first amendment rights to have my opinion and I'm going to stick to it. Actually, that means you don't understand your own country's law because when I'm here in the United States, I am protected by your first amendment rights. Are you in the United States? Yes, I am. I mean Los Angeles. Oh, and say that. I mean Los Angeles. Thank God you are now protected by America. Thank you. I'm glad because I'm Britain. I'm glad. I'm Britain people. I mean, I'm arrested for-- I'm glad for tweets. I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad I had a chance to explain your constitutional rights to you. Thank you both very much indeed. A lot of hot air has, again, been expended this week on Hassan Panker's fondness for Chairman Mao on the rise of socialism in America. Not to be left out, Stephen Crowder. Recently responded from the right with a segment entitled "The Case for Fascism." And he's alone, commentators like Jack Pasobic, reacted to the Spanish migrant crisis at the Moroccan border by cheering for the fascist dictator General Franco, who it should be said used a Moroccan army to defeat Republicans in the Spanish Civil War. So has the plot finally been lost on both sides of the aisle, or have we been blinded by heatstroke to a bit of sizzling summer sarcasm? Well, Stephen Crowder, host of "Lowder With Crowder," joins me now. Stephen, welcome back to Uncensored. Thank you very much. But I checked up your tea recipe. So this is a four bags of Yorkshire gold. And that's too much. Yes. No, you know what? You need to have it a pot. You don't put it, obviously, four bags in a cup. You need a pipe, a big teapot, and it's four bags. It's four-- Yeah, four bags, either. I have-- Americans. All right, all right. Fascism. Americans always have-- always make their tea too weak, which is strange, because they like to portray themselves as the strongest country. Strongest country in the world. Weakest tea. I'm trying to help. Here's the-- Trying to help me. Is when you go to a place like a coffee shop, and then you say, hey, I want some tea. And they say, what size? Can you say small, medium-luch? They just give you one bag, which I think is a crime, and they should be executed, which brings us back to fascism. Now, I can't work out if you're basically doing a massive troll with this fascism thing. Or there is a legitimately-- well, a legitimate point you're making as an antidote to the rising support for socialism, stroke, communism that you genuinely believe would be better off with fascism. So just outline for me simply what your premise is. Yeah, so the premise is-- and just to be clear, in that segment, I said, I am not advocating for fascism, by the way. And the problem with fascism is unlike socialism, which is basically stems from Marxism. It's tough to define, and certainly the way that the left defines it. They say Donald Trump is a fascist. When I was in college, we spent a whole month on penichet. And then when I left my whole second, we never learned what preceded it. And so what I was discussing there was, once you reach communism, socialism, you can't vote your way out. And so it's really easy to point to fascism using the left's definition, which is pretty much every time people do things that they don't like to prevent. Communism from subverting a nation and not acknowledge what preceded it. Peniche is a good example. Just again, not saying I'm all in on peniche, but we never talk about a lend day. What preceded it? And so fascism is immoral, by the way. It is immoral, because anytime you basically enslave the person to the state, that's immoral. But fascism, we have to acknowledge economically, can yield some results. So it's immoral, but sometimes it works. Socialism is equally immoral, and it never works. And so that's the reason that you see the response. And so the radical push towards socialism, Marxism, will necessitate what the left fears most. The strong man, what they view as fascism. No, I'm not a fascist. You mentioned peniche there. So we're a little look at peniche. Because I was broadly aware of what happened on his watch. But you said, sure, some communists went for helicopter rides and they've never seen again. But if you weren't a communist, you weren't a great threat. Now, the official reports compiled after the return to democracy, such as the retic report and the valid report, demonstrate that the regime cast a very wide net, not just communists. Victims have chosen based on perceived dissent or simple association, rather than actual political status. They included labor union leaders, academics, artists, Christian Democrats. According to the official Chilean human rights record, over 150 children and teenagers under the age of 18 were killed or forcibly disappeared by the secret police. So to simply say that peniche only went after the commies is not accurate. Well, I didn't say you only. I said primarily, and I stand by that. He did primarily. And again, if you talk about labor unions, we talked about this later in the week. McCarthy and looking at those who are active members of the Communist Party in labor unions, including the street writers unions. They were one the same in many ways. And if you look at the media and you look at Alende and the silencing and the execution of dissent, it went both ways only one had economic yield and one was subjugating the entire population. Both are immoral. The point is, I only learned about peniche. I didn't learn about Alende. And we can go through other examples, whether it's Franco or Bans or, and we did that in the show. I'm not a fascist. I don't think fascism works. I don't think that it's moral. And socialism is certainly immoral and doesn't work. The difference is, in this country right now, we are facing one threat that openly extolls, brags about the platform of socialism, the DSA and these candidates who want to basically take over the largest corporations. They want public ownership. They want to seize the means of production, distribution. I mean, I have their policy right in front of me. And it's absolutely not just absurd, incredibly dangerous, and it has support from a lot of younger people. Socialism no longer has the same stigma as fascism does. That's why I think it's important. I mean, literally the DSA says, establish public ownership of the largest corporations' essential industries to ensure democratic control, how do you enforce it? Accountability to the people and act aggressive wealth taxes in the richest individuals and corporations to spend on public goods and infrastructure. Okay, anyone want to name me a successful example? Venezuela, oil, Cuba, everything, Alende, Chile. If you can name me one country that nationalized their largest industries and became more prosperous, or the people benefited from more economic freedoms, or any personal freedoms, right, let me know. I can go there. You want to go to a DSA? The overall issue. Now, let's not agree with you. I don't think socialism works. Full stop. Nor do I think communism or fascism work. And you started your contentious video by saying even the bad fascists were a mistaken response to equally bad Marxism. Some have said that that qualification even the bad fascists implies there might be good fascists. So just for the record, are all fascists bad? All actual fascists are bad. Is Donald Trump bad because he's a fascist? Because the left says that he is? No. And they do that with a lot of people. Bukheli, you're talking about Afwera in Argentina. Sorry, his name just escaped me. This is how they label anyone with whom they disagree. Whereas we can look all across South America and we can see the dangers. And we have to understand too, a South America. Most of these countries are in third world countries. Your choice is either a communist coup or a guerrilla sort of military fascist coup. And if you look historically, people have fared better under what people would declare more extreme right wing. Both are wrong. But we need to understand it's not like here in the United States. And it hasn't worked there. Now we have people trying to bring the failed policies here in the United States. And it's not the fascists. That's the issue, whether it's immigration, whether it's health care, whether it's nationalizing the means of production, distribution, whether it's more free crap, gender affirming care, I can go through the list. It's unbelievable. And you have mainstream politicians who are, they wouldn't exist if not for the DSA platform. This is the left today. You will, you will keep the woke and you'll have economic turmoil as well. I mean, I've argued for a long time that the more extreme woke left behave exactly like the fascists they profess to hate most. You know, the whole essence of cancel culture, of group think, of if you deviate, you get abused or you get threatened or, you know, in some cases, people get killed. You know, Charlie Kirk killed for his beliefs and so on. That there's a fascist streak running through woke leftism, isn't there? Yeah, there absolutely is. If we're talking about a streak where you have to fall on how most people perceive fascism, right? And it's changed historically. But if you have to fall in line or be excluded or eliminated, you certainly see that from the left. Like a big problem you see from the right. Good example there is Charlie Kirk. I mean, right now you see these, these fractures that are taking place because of people like Canis and because of people like Tucker Carlson. But outside of that, we have a pretty big tent. You have libertarians, you have more traditional conservatives. You have people who are America first. You don't really have that on the left. You have to follow lockstep because it is an ideology that requires seizing control over everything or it doesn't work. Have you spent time like on the DS on their actual platform? Because when you talk about woke, a lot of people like a AOC try to say, yeah, woke one was a little bit of a disaster. That means woke 2.0 is coming. They're just going to try and be more covert about it. Like they just tell people that the DS say, you have no debt. You don't need health insurance. You don't pay a mortgage or have a landlord because comfortable housing is a human right. Your retirement is publicly funded. Food, education, energy, medicine, transportation, aren't for profit businesses. They also guarantee universal healthcare, including complete access to gender, affirming care, all of this stuff. And they're going to reduce hours by 20% while increasing wages. Okay, who's going to pay for it? Also, you can have an open border or you can have a giant welfare state. Pick one. They want all of it. And these people are running for and achieving office. That's the reason that it's okay, historically. Does this lead to some kind of response that we also don't want fascism? And the answer is yes, don't want that either. So, it's a mind-equible with that, is that in your recent video, it was entitled "The Case for Fascism" and the thumbnail said, "We need fascism." What you're saying to me now, it seems to me, is slightly different. What you're saying is, "Fascism is often an inevitable consequence of extreme Communism or whatever it may be," but that's slightly different to saying, "We need it." You know, you're almost you're implying by saying that. You see fascism as the only kind of antidote to extreme left ideology. Is that what you're saying? It is. It is. It is in South America. Okay, answer me this. South America. How do you vote your way out of Communism, Socialism, and Marxism? How do you vote your way out of Cuba? How do you vote your way out of Venezuela? So in those cases, you need, by definition, someone who would be a fascist, someone who's willing to engage in a military coup, someone who's willing to use the full strengths that they have at their disposal. Yeah, in those cases, otherwise, you just live with economic ruin forever. Yeah, I'm not saying we need it here in the United States, but when you look at the historical context, it was the only way to deal with the plight and the torture and the subjugation. Yeah, it's terrible, but it's an economic reality and a human rights reality. But, you know, you look at Pinochet and what happened after he left office, that would be an example where you didn't, you know, that's a clear example of the opposite of what you're saying. You're right. No, that's a good example. He's not a fascist, even though the left labels him on. He willingly left office. So that's why I use him as an example. Right, but, you know, he was a fascist in most people's eyes, and he was replaced by, you know, good old fashioned democracy. I think my contentious point about you is, it's not the threat. To me, it's not about saying that communism is not a terrible threat. It is. The DSA is you rightly pick them up on. I interviewed Brianna Taylor, a joy of a day, who just eventually, after staring around for about 10 minutes, eventually a minute, she would like to get rid of the Pentagon, the police and prisons, which is obviously completely insane. And so there are certainly large ways. Yeah, there are large ways of these democratic socialists emerging on the, on the sort of national stage, which are completely bonkers. And I think my, my quibble with your argument is that fascism is the only way you can end up countering this if he sees his power. Well, answer my question. How do you vote your way out of communism, Marxism, socialism? You don't. Maybe that's why the Chilean supported Pinesche's reforms, and they kept his constitution after he willingly left power. And again, I never learned any of this in college. It doesn't justify the killing of any innocent people. But like we did a segment on McCarthy, but McCarthy was right about a lot. He was wrong and how he executed it. The idea that there wasn't a red scare that they don't seek to subvert your institutions. If you believe that, then you're simply naive. How do you vote your way out of socialism, Marxism? It is inevitable. You can't point me to any example throughout human history, where you have Marxism, communism, socialism, where either it's never ending economic ruin. Or there's a quote unquote fascist response by using the left's definition in order to correct it. That's that's that's the only way to go. I mean, I mean, we'll put it all together. But when you say, when you say, yeah, baggle, when you say, finish, they left opposite of his own volition, which fascists don't normally do. The reality is he lost a national vote in October, 1988, nearly 56% of Chileans cast their ballots against him, officially ending his mandate. And on the night of the vote, as it became clear, he was losing, Pinachet called other military leaders to his office, according to declassified US documents, Pinachet wanted extraordinary powers to declare a state of emergency, invalidate the vote, and use the military to keep control of the country. Other top generals in the military junta refused to back his plan. They publicly, publicly accepted the Democratic vote had gone against him and forced him to accept defeat. It's a bit different to left of his own volition. All right, if I have to choose governor, mom, Donnie or Pinachet, I'll go Pinachet. I don't like either. Does that make it clear enough? When it's the party right now in this country, you would do, I'm going to say over my mom, Donnie. Absolutely would. If it's AOC or Pinachet, I would choose neither. Maybe I'd blow my head off, you know, maybe I'd do that or maybe just to clear myself to be a woman and some kind of enemy of this time suicide, right, which gets no better, by the way, under socialized health care, gender, affirming care. So they're going away from that in Europe, but the DSA here wants to continue with that. I'm looking at a party right now in this country that wants to nationalize all the biggest corporate, all the biggest businesses that wants to completely defund the police and replace them with social workers. And by the way, it's not like this is an unknown, right? The 2020 experiment, really, it produced a single largest crime spike, specifically homicide in modern American history, disproportionately harming black Americans. So if police are the primary threat to black lives, why are the cities that most aggressively defunded them? See the unbelievably sharp rise in black homicide victims? You look at them wanting to socialize health care. By the way, they also just add to it feminism and queer body shit. They have like social feminism fights for socialist feminism fights for queer liberation and the freedoms of all working class, women, no idea what that means. Stop gender violence and end of policies that oppress bodily autonomy and intimate life, including patriarchal restrictions on the point is they want a bunch of free crap. You're going to pay for it, but they have no way to tell you how the bill is footed. Also, you cannot, you cannot separate. I know you know this, Pierce, woke the culture of censorship and Marxism socialism. It's the only way that this makes sense when people say, well, how do you see people with a rainbow and LGBTQ flag right next to Palestine where they throw you off a roof for speaking with a list? It's because they view the world as Marxists. They just view it as oppressed and oppressor. When you go, how does any of this make sense where they claim that they want to be pro workers, but really they want to silence people and they don't want to have, they don't want to have, like, they want to have card checks so that you have to vote and the unions know exactly where you don't have your own privacy there, but you're doing these other areas. They don't want voter ID because it's Marxist. The worker is the oppressed and the guy who starts a business is the oppressor. Take any situation that we have seen socially in the last decade and that is how they view it. It's nonsensical. There's nothing logically consistent outside of Marxism and now they are espousing the same economic solutions. That's what we're facing in this country. And I know that young people, I understand it. I understand why young people, they feel as though we've seen absolutely unsatisfactory results. They're not thrilled with the Trump administration. They weren't thrilled with Biden. I get it. And so it's easy to promise them a wish list. The wish list comes with shackles. Ask anyone who's lived it. Yes. I agree with that. And about the dangers of socialism and communism and Marxism. Absolutely. You've got me there. Where you lose me, though, is where you look down the barrier of the camera and say you would rather have general pinnashay than AOC or Mamdani. Do you want to think about that statement again? I did. And I do. I don't want either to be clear. If I had to pick between Bernie Sanders and gosh, Jeb Bush. Oh, I'd pick Jeb Bush. What about Hitler? No, I just kill myself. I mean, because he's also something that you don't seem to get into Hitler. But my other, but my other quibble, though, was he talk about how communism has, communism, well, hang on, you talk about communism costing a lot more lives than fascism. But you completely remove Hitler from that summary. They're counting summary, if you like. Because many would argue that Hitler obviously prompted World War II, that the total death toll of World War II would take the death toll from fascism above the total death toll of communism in the last century. So why would you keep Hitler out of it? I mean, he was responsible for World War II and all who died in it. Well, no, no, I didn't. What I talked about was communism because we weren't addressing Hitler. We've done entire segments on Hitler national socialist workers party of Germany and the left tries to say, well, they aren't really socialist and they try to, they hope that you don't remember that they were kind of allies with the Russians until it was a family spat. So give me the Holocaust and the death count from from Hitler as because we're not doing the whole Holocaust denial thing, right? Like some people do. What's the number? We agree the Holocaust anywhere from 5 to 10 million, 6 million seems to be the agreed upon number ish. Yeah, about 6 million Jews and 12 million people in total are killed by the Nazis. Yeah. How many killed under communism in the 20th century alone? And then name me one communist ever willingly. No, but my argument about that argument. Yeah, but my argument about that argument is you're slightly giving Hitler and his death toll a pass by focusing purely on the Holocaust. I would say that actually they because Hitler was solely responsible for the start of World War II, everyone that then died in that war over six years has died as a consequence of fascism. And so if you were being fair about the comparison between the overall death toll from the effects of communism or fascism, I would throw in that fascism ultimately in the 20th century killed more people than communism because I would lay every single death in World War II at the feet of Adolf Hitler. It's silly. By the way, way he was also a social but let's do that, it still isn't. By that, just a direct line, 100 million under communism. And here's the issue. I, and you can agree with me on this, I never learned about the death toll from Stalin. I never learned about the death toll from Mao. I never learned about the death toll from Pol Pot. I never learned about the death toll all across South America. I saw people with T-shirts with Che Guevara on, by the way, who was a coward, who got caught like a little bitch in Bolivia with a fully loaded rifle 'cause he never fought a day in his life. I didn't learn about those things. Everyone knows that Hitler is bad, but there's this other ideology that has killed far more people, even using your most broad sweeping definition. Hitler, bad, communism, kills absolutely more. And it is the one being praised right now. Mao, right, the DSA. When you look at this, when you look at Lenin, when you look at Marx. In other words, there's no mainstream American political party. Assuming that Hitler isn't a socialist at all, and it was just in the name of some kind of wordplay, okay, fine, let's just give you that. He's only a fascist, not a socialist. Okay, there's no mainstream conservative right now or Republican holding up mind-cumth. There are people in the left holding up the red book. They're doing TikTok videos about how great it is. They're talking about how Mao has inspired how he's one of the greatest thinkers of the last two centuries. This is what we are actually facing right now. And so yeah, Hitler bet. I think everyone knows Hitler bet. But when I hear people who aren't either running for office or endorsing people, they're competing with people running for office going, oh man, Mao is one of the greatest figures of the 20th century. I go, holy shit, are you kidding me? Just as I would if any American politician said, Hitler anything other than bad. Is that fair? It makes sense, right? >> Well, you certainly won't get me trying to defend Mao versus Hitler or Hitler versus Mao. To me, they're the two biggest genocidal leaders. >> No, no, no, no, but I do think it's a historical record. And for the purposes of your thesis that fascism ultimately is worse than communism, I'm not completely convinced statistically that is the case. However, it's an interesting thesis. Let's move on to a couple of things in one final thing. >> One final thing. >> One final thing. >> Yeah. >> I use your standard. 'Cause I'm just using the standard of the death toll under the Mao regime, under the Stalin regime. So if I use your standard, and that's probably still more than all of World War II, if you blame every single death on Hitler, okay? Still more, over a hundred million to about 80 something million. If I use your standard, you'd have to add all deaths from the Korean War, all deaths from the Vietnam War, all deaths from the Chinese Civil War, that would be a more comparable number, right? It'd be like double. So it still doesn't hold water. And we should, by the way, reject and fear both. Only one is being embraced. That's the point. Let's please go on. I love you, Pierce. >> I hate your point. And well, well, robust it. Let's turn to Hunter Biden, because you've called him Hunter Lydon in your latest video. What's interesting is the way he's being embraced by a lot of people on the conservative right. Does that make it down a Tucker Carlson? What's going on here is a real split, particularly amongst the MAGA right in America. But when Hunter is sitting there with Tucker for a couple of hours, what is happening here, do you think? >> Yeah, so I'll tell you what my issue is with it. And by the way, I'll tell you something, I want to give you some credit here, because people always bitch about, don't platform somebody. And you hosted Nick Fuentes. And so have I. And I think that you and I have to respect that he's the only one who showed up and will defend them, whether you agree with him or not. He's always been very respectful. But you have some people say you can't platform him. I have no problem with these people platforming. Hunter Biden, by the way. The problem that I have is the double standard and it's net results. So give me a moment if I can. Hunter Biden, the way he lied on Tucker Carlson, by the way, they're very good friends. They're old friends. He asked Hunter to do him a favor to get his son into Georgetown. I mean, he didn't drop off the laptop. He just said, go completely unchecked. Well, he signed for the repair. Lawyers never denied it. He was talking about how Ukraine was shopping a laptop story to Julianne in 2018. That's absolutely not true. He said that there was a GRU agent, Andrew Durkhatch in 2018. He wasn't a GRU agent and he didn't meet him until 2019. He just said that Israel started. Tucker said that Israel started this underage sex conspiracy. There's zero evidence that that was provided. What's ever to claim without any evidence? And you look at the things that weren't asked like about his niece, about the Ashley Biden diary, about the 10% for the big guy, about all of the economic dealings. None of those asked that's a standard that I guess is only held for Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee, who by the way, should be held to that standard. But so should Hunter Biden. And here's my big thing. The implication that the Hunter Biden laptop story was actually just, you know, planted by Israel. And then we also look, so combine that with Candace Owens, right? We have Tyler Robinson. There was a moment of unity, I remember being on this show. Tyler Robinson, a trans, radicalized LGBTQ far left activist, assassinated. One of the best among us, certainly one of the most prominent voices. And that's been thrown. So actually, no, that was Israel, it was the Jews. And actually, no, Hunter Biden, which is the clearest example. The clearest example that we have of three letter agencies, including the FBI, colluding with big tech and media, wrongfully labeling a story, Russian disinformation, which we know would have affected the outcome of the election. No, actually, the single biggest proof that we have of censorship from the left, systemically, it's the Jews. And no, the single biggest example that we have of political violence as per a multiple time confession. No, no, no, it's the Jews. And I can say this because APAC can go screw themselves with a wire brush. And I do think we need to eliminate foreign influence. And I think that Israel needs to foot their own bill. But we need to say the same about China. We need to say the same thing about Qatar. And we certainly need to apply the standard equally. Because if you were to look at these interviews, if you were to look at these premises and say, OK, left's not a threat as far as political violence. And the left's not a threat as far as culture of censorship. Hey, there's no reason to fear the left. There are no concern whatsoever. Vote for anyone you want. It's all the same. That's what bothers me. Do you think that Candice Owens believes what she says about the assassination of Charlie Kirk? Or as Andrew Wilson is going to sit down with her, I think on Friday, isn't it? That big debate hosted by Patrick Met David, that she's just doing this to make money. That it's just a running thing she can go with. And she doesn't care about Erica Kirk and her feelings running. She just wants to get the numbers and get the money. Let me answer two things. The only through line that you would see with Candice's career is a lifelong liberal. By the way, liberal activists. People can search social autopsy and see how anti-free speech she was for a very long time. Let alone suing, you know, filing lawsuits being represented by the NAACP. The only thing that seems to be a consistent through line is whatever's expedient financially. But then to the other question, she said, do you think that Candice believes what she says? I would love to know what it is that she says. Are we talking about the Egyptian planes, by the way? And I've noticed she's backed away from very specific facts because she got the time zones wrong. She said there were 73 overlaps and 68% of them were completely wrong. I think it was 60% of them had no physical, emotional, temporal connection to Charlie Kirk whatsoever. Are we talking about the French Legion? Because she said that Tyler Robinson at one point, he's now a Patsy and he wasn't on campus at all. He trained with the French Legion, right? With the 13th brigade, the gender Marie. But she walked away from that because that was disproven. The idea that Robinson was never present on campus whatsoever, you can say that we don't have footage yet of him pulling that trigger. You can talk about caliber. You can't say that there's no evidence of him on campus. So I've noticed that she's backed away from claims that have been immediately refuted to, I don't know I'm just asking questions. That seems to be what the conversation will be about. In my opinion, is if you're going to make claims like that. And if you're going to put people in the crosshairs, figuratively, and we know quite literally, as it relates to the Kirk's, you better do your due diligence. You better have the information right. So when you say, does Candace believe what she's saying? I don't know what she's saying right now. It changes all the time. It does. I completely agree. Steven, it's great to talk to you. Just finally, it's crystal ball time. It's good at 2028. What type of candidate is likely to be a democratic? General election candidate. Will it be somebody from the socialist left, you think, who are the rising force in the party? Or will they pivot for the general election to a more moderate candidate? And conversely, who are the Republicans going to go for? Who is the leader of the Republican movement post-Donald Trump? Ooh, boy, well, you know, I hate making political predictions because Charles Trouthammer might have been one of the most brilliant political minds, you know, God rest his soul. And he was wrong, like, 50% of the time. So me sitting on my couch, you know, in the back of a shot. But I will say this. Let me take a stab at it. I think that you will see some economically very left. Someone who promises a lot of free crap on the Democrat side. So very much leading towards socialism. And you see, you know, people like AOC trying to act as though they weren't woke, as if they didn't use the term Latinx, they're going to try and distance themselves from woke, gender, politics, all of the, you know, patriarchy, the oppression Olympics. Don't believe it for a second because they still are tied to the platform that necessitates it, right? It's a platform based on equity, not equality. So it'll be someone economically very far left. And it'll be someone who tries to hide their social views or appear more moderate. On the right, I think you're probably going to see someone who presents themselves as economically far more populist. So that would be probably more center in quite a few ways and still acting as a vanguard against woke. Because the one thing that we know for sure is, I mean, we already have the verdict. We know, we have the results. People don't want the progressive social justice crap. And the left has to hide from it, and the right still wants to fight it. Because the left now wants to gaslight all of us and say, why have you turned this into an issue? It's a non-issue, men and women's sports. I don't know, maybe because I watched when a gold medal at the Olympics beat the shit out of a woman. Maybe that, maybe because a thousand medals are lost. Maybe because kids can be taken away from their parents if they don't affirm their transition when they're young. So I don't want them to be allowed to distance themselves from who they are and what they actually want. You can read it on the DSA website. Everyone is going to veer. You see this, the economy is not doing very well and there's uncertainty. They're going to veer toward economic populism and the left is going to have to hide their social policy. So it'll be someone who fits in those parameters. Unless, of course, I, sorry, I forgot this. The Democrat Party does what it does and acts completely undemocratic and rig it like they did against Bernie or have no primary, like they did with Kamala or what they, they just did with Francesca Hong where clearly there's foul play. So, so I don't know, it's anyone's guess. We manned up with Hillary Clinton again, crazy man. Well, Polymarket currently has AOC rising to third favorite to be the next president on 10.7% behind JD Vance and Marco Rubio. I mean, I could see ultimately, if I was a betting man right now, I could see an AOC V Rubio show down. I think Rubio is probably the, I think being the most impressive performer in the Trump administration and that JD Vance may find himself too attached to Trumpism, to extricate himself successfully. And it may be that getting yourself away from Trumpism is a good thing. We will see, it depends on the timing. Well, let me add something to that too. I think that JD Vance, not so much Trumpism, I think his challenge is going to be the ties to Palantir and, of course, A.I. is a very important issue, big tech right now. And rightfully so, so is going to have to answer for that. Marco Rubio is going to have the Albatross around his neck of being part of the gang of eight, though he is certainly MVP, the best communicator in this administration. AOC, if she becomes president, you know, the moment she unfreezes her eggs, SkyNet falls in the world ends. Stay with crowd, it's great to have you back on our sensitive. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir, appreciate it. He's walking on sensitive is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. We enjoy our show. We ask for only one simple thing. It's subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcast. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate, and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. 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