YOGTZE Case | The Unsolved Six-Letter Code That Baffled Investigators

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In 1984, a man had a sudden, terrifying epiphany before disappearing into the night. Two hours later, he reappeared in his childhood hometown, panicked, claiming that something terrible was about to happen. He once again disappeared, only to be discovered miles away, completely naked and near death in a wrecked car, leaving behind a cryptic six-letter clue and a trail of paranoid predictions. Today, we unravel the mysterious death known as: The Yahtzee Case. This is Red Web. Welcome back, Task Force, to another episode of Red Web, the podcast all about unsolved mysteries, true crime, and the unknown. I'm your resident mystery enthusiast, Trevor Collins. You're joining me hearing this case for the very first time, Alfredo Diaz. This is like a, oh man, it seems like a true mystery. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Just run off into the night, disappear, winds up dead, cryptic message. This could spiral in so many different directions. Yeah, dude. It's got a little bit of everything in this one. Yeah, what a little teaser. Like, was he, did he have ties to the mob? Was he being taken out? Did he know something, you know, and the government wanted to take him out? Okay, listen, okay, yeah. We got paranormal stuff happening. Like, was he, were you thinking he was visited by aliens? Like, you can go so many different ways with this. Sure. A ghost told me to do it. Yeah, dude. This has almost everything that we've seen in this show. I will spoil. There's no paranormal. Okay. But he was very paranoid, if that's what you're picking up on. And a little surprise zest on this one. There's two sections of theories. We're going to explore what this cryptic note that he left behind is. What was he possibly thinking in these hours before his untimely death? And then, of course, the true crime angle. What happened to him? Why did he die? How did he die? And trying to combine all these really vague clues. Because even though this happened in recent memory, 1984, the sources disagree with themselves all over the place. So every time I tell you a source says one thing, just know they're kind of also saying other things. Like from the same source? No, from different sources, to be fair. Hmm. But yeah, it's one of those hairy ones. Okay. You'd think it was all bulletproof, well-documented, and what have you. But no, no, sources got to be disagreeing on major clues. As always. Always. And then I didn't know this one until we dove into it. But the other added ingredient here, the zest on the sauce, is we think this one might be solved. Local police reopened this case just a little over a year ago, and they have a conclusion. So we're going to end with that one. And what's going to be interesting is to combine the clues. You combine the case as it was investigated back in the '80s and compare it to modern times. How do they align? How do they misalign? And what's going on with that? It's a very, very fascinating case. And I want to shout out Max, aka Fenric, for submitting this one because at Task Force you can submit mysteries, movie clubs, game plays, whatever you want us to look at or investigate. So thank you very much, Max, for submitting this one because it was a mind twist. Yeah. I like that it's solved. Mm-hmm. It's compounding. It's like, where is it going? Yes. Where does the actual mystery go? And then from there, how does everything fit into place? We feel like it's solved. Right. That we have an answer. Yeah. And will there be comfort in that knowledge or, again, as always, is there going to be a little room for conspiracy to say, uh-huh, I don't know if this is, you know, we'll get into it. Yeah. Good point. Solved doesn't necessarily mean satisfying. There you go. That's a good -- I'll put that on a T-shirt because that is -- 90% of the solved cases are like, I don't know, though. There's still some room for I don't know-isms here. Yeah. But very quickly before we dive into today's episode, last Friday we released our West Virginia Penitentiary Ghost Hunt debrief. A lot of nouns there. But this was my first chance to react to what Fredo and Christian saw at the ghost hunt. And so I react to a few scenes. It was wild. I know Fredo's not here to react with it, but, man, there's so many sounds, so many things to ask for. We need your ears on this because I'm very curious. And, of course, we go over your time stamps, the things you saw, the things you heard, try to debunk a few things based on what we can because we want to have a real authentic experience. We want to catch a ghost. That way, you know, in a Pokeball style. This Wednesday we have another poll coming out. The place where you can decide what movie club we're doing. Sometimes we decide what Red Web we're doing based on these polls. We also decided West Virginia Penitentiary based on a poll like this. 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We've, air quotes, been, topics we've explored, and, man, it's one of our favorite shirts. We've been loving these merch designs, man, but this is also one of our favorites. So, all right, lots to talk about, but also lots to explore in this case. So back to the episode. All right, now, as we dive into this case, of course, sensitive topics will be in the description for those who want them. But, Fredo, let me wind back the clock and take you all the way back to 1984. A German man named Gunther Stoll was a former food engineer living in Germany. A food engineer living in Anzhausen, West Germany. At the time, Stoll had been unemployed for several months and had been dealing with a moderate case of paranoia. In fact, Stoll's wife, who has remained anonymous to the public, reported that Stoll would tell her that he felt people were following him and would want to harm him. He referred to these individuals as "dennen." Translated to English, that would be "those." So kind of just a mysterious "the others" is how he's referring to them. Now, on October 24th, 1984, Stoll once again mentioned that he felt like he was being followed. Then shortly before 11:00 p.m. that night, he suddenly shouted "Jetzt geht mir ein Licht auf!" Which translates literally to "now the penny drops," which kind of means casually "now I get it" or "now I understand." Got it. So he comes home that night and he's like, "Honey, again, they're trying to hurt me. They're following me." Goes off to his room, his office. Late that night, he shouts like he has an epiphany. He then scribbles down on a piece of paper six letters: Y-O-G-apostrophe-T-Z-E or "Jagdsee." He reportedly crossed out the letters immediately after writing them, though some sources state that he only crossed out the letter "E." We will never know. Dang, just something as tangible, but it's like, how do you find such a small thing, you know? I know. And hold on to this. Hold on to this frustration because the revelation on this note will be aggravating. I think it's a cornerstone on what we need to know. But I'll tell you now, it's ephemeral. It's gone. So shortly after this, he goes to his favorite bar named the Papillon. This is in Wilmsdorf. Wilmsdorf is a 10 minute drive from his town there in Anshousen. And it's important to note that the exact timing of these events is a little fuzzy. All right. So we know that he had this epiphany nearing 11:00 p.m. And let's just say some sources say that he arrived at the bar at 11:00 p.m. Some say that he left his house at 10:45 or left his house at 11:00. But either way, he's at this bar shortly after around 11:00 p.m. Now, at the bar, he goes to the counter. He orders a beer. And before he can even take a sip of this alcohol, he falls to the ground, seemingly passing out. Now, some reports state that he was unharmed. But others say that it was a facial injury that he took on when he hit the ground. Other patrons then, of course, see this happen. They rush to his side to see if he's OK. According to witness reports, it didn't seem like he was under the influence of alcohol and had just ran to the bar. randomly lost consciousness. Though again, some sources state that he did appear to be inebriated in some way. That's where it's really hard to tell what's going on this night. So he quickly wakes up after falling down. He sees everyone trying to help him out. He gets up, doesn't bother with his beer. He seemingly leaves the bar immediately and drives away in his light blue Volkswagen Golf Mark I, and his whereabouts for the next two hours are unknown. I have an image of a rough approximation of what a 1980s Golf Mark I would look like in that color. If you want to take a look here. Yeah, that's a cool little cool little hatchback. Yeah, that looks like the Mirth Mobile from Wayne's World. Yeah, it does. Something about those 80s cars being extra boxy. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not into the 90s cars, but 80s had it, you know. 80s did have it. They were boxy and they had the big circular lights on a lot of the cars. I don't know. It's crazy to think, you know, things like that were just like, oh, yeah, that's just an older car's probably rolling into vintage now, you know? Oh, totally. I'll be honest. It was really hard to find this car not slammed. This car gets like taken and modded a lot with like nice rims. Slam it all the time. That's crazy. Yeah, dude. Hugging the ground. OK, so he goes to the bar. Some say he seems drunk. Some say he seems fine. Some say he falls and gets hurt, but mostly he just goes there, orders a drink, doesn't bother with it. Passes out, wakes up, drives away, and we don't know where he was for two hours. So now it's around 1 a.m. in the morning. We cut now to his childhood hometown. And I'm going to do my best, German listeners. Heiger-Seelbach. Heiger-Seelbach is roughly 10 kilometers away or maybe six miles or so from Wilmsdorf, where the bar was. And while he's in his hometown there, where he grew up, he went to the home of an elderly woman that he knew when he was growing up. I don't have it in my notes, the relationship to this woman, but she knows him. They recognize each other. And I don't know. OK, I don't know if he like rings the doorbell, pounds on the door. Either way, he wakes her up in the night. It's 1 a.m. And he's insisting that he needs to speak with her urgently. In fact, he says that there's going to be some sort of horrible accident that night or a horrible incident that's going to happen to him specifically. And so she's like confused. Why are you here? I haven't seen you in years. She's feeling very uncomfortable with his erratic behavior. And she suggests that he go to his parents' home instead. You know, speak with your parents, speak with your family. Now, it's unclear where they might have lived, if they were nearby or if in a different town. But ultimately, you know, it's it's a wise move like, hey, I don't know why you came to me, but maybe go to your family. Now, he reportedly said to her in response something like they wouldn't understand and they wouldn't understand what he was talking about or they wouldn't understand him. Even but the woman still insisted that he leave, this time saying that he should go back home and be with his wife. And so he does. He leaves. And that's the last we know. For again, another two hours would go by with no sightings of this man. So four hours left unaccounted for after some seemingly worried paranoia behavior here. Yeah, it's I'm very interested to see if there's any kind of like mental diagnosis that does seem kind of like a. A break of the psyche, you know, sure. Yeah, definitely some sort of mental health issue here going on or possible. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, a lot of sporadic thoughts and actions. And so that's where my mind is out that too. So I'm glad you pointed that out. Yeah, I mean, of course, you know, we don't know too awful much yet. But from everything we do know, yeah, it does fit that the paranoia of somebody following the idea that somebody might want to harm you, the dread of impending doom. We've explored that. And honestly, one of the episodes we talked about where a man from San Francisco went to Seattle or vice versa, I forget, and saw a witch and they felt like they were cursed. And ultimately, this dread might have been a symptom of like a heart issue. Even it's it's wild how physical symptoms can manifest like this. So really, it does feel like it could be a medical thing at this point. Right. So another two hours goes by. And we don't know where he's at. But now it's approximately 3 a.m. In the morning of October 26. And this is where two truck drivers are driving along and they discover a wrecked Volkswagen Golf Mark one. I'll say this viewer discretion is advised, though it's not super dramatic. But before we put it up, I wanted to say that there is an image of that wrecked car back in 1984. So Fredo, if you'd like, I have that image for you here. Oh, the trunk is open. The passenger seat door is open as well. The hood is smashed. The front is smashed. It's out in the you know, the trees in the wilderness. Yeah. And it looks like the front maybe the front window is completely broken in. It's hard to tell, but it does seem like it could be that way. It doesn't it doesn't look as wild as you think it would, but it doesn't take much to kill someone in a car accident. Yeah. Hold on to that. I really that's why I wanted your raw assessment of this this crash, because. Both of what you just said are completely valid. Okay. Interesting. So it doesn't look too dramatic, but it doesn't offer, you know, we're going to explore that in the theories. Yeah, because it doesn't take much, but also this, you know, depending on if the body was found, how it's found, you know, if it was completely, you know, lack of a kind of word mangled. I don't quite know if this would this would have done it, you know, something like that is where my head is at. Yeah, it's a very good observation. Very intuitive. Hold on to that. We'll explore it. Okay. So these two truck drivers come through. They see this wrecked car. It's 3:00 a.m. So they're like, this is abnormal. They pull over and they kind of split up. But before we get there, the vehicle itself, this car that you saw, it's in a trench next to the A45 or the Autobahn 45. It's a road in Germany near the Hagen Sud exit now approximately 100 kilometers or 60 miles away from Haeger-Seelbach. So now we are quite a distance away. Away from where he lives with his wife, 60 miles. You know, you could do in an hour, you know, not going to over dramatize this, but he went from his hometown ten minutes away to a bar six miles away to his hometown as a child and then 60 miles away at this point. So it's an interesting little pattern here. Now, of course, upon seeing the car, they pulled over to investigate and per their report, one of the truck drivers made their way to the closest roadside telephone to kind of report this incident. While the other one kind of slowly approached the scene to take it in and kind of get a closer look as to what was going on, if anyone needed help or anything. And inside the car, the truck driver discovered the severely injured Stoll. In the car, Stoll was completely naked, lying in the passenger seat of the car and barely conscious. He managed to tell the truck driver that there were four other men in the car with him who had all fled the scene. He stated that the men were all strangers, not friends of his. Though some sources indicate that Stoll said these men had beaten him up and left him for dead. Regardless, an ambulance arrived on scene shortly thereafter, and unfortunately, this would be the last piece of information obtained from Stoll about this accident, because he would pass away in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. Hmm. Okay. Yeah, you said he was, when you said he was found naked in his car, I was like, car accidents don't do that. Um. They don't. I've seen shoes fly off when, you know, when a moped goes wrong, but. Yeah, you're not finding people in car accidents butt-ass naked. Interesting. So then was there a struggle in the vehicle, and that's why they crashed? Was this 84, you said? Yes. So probably not heavy on DNA analysis during those times. Correct. I hate when it's just like on the cusp. It's right on the cusp, you know? Yeah. Just like, ugh. Well, hold on to it. Modern investigations coming through. That's true. I very regularly get surprised of how often they'll take evidence from a different time period, run it through whatever the new modern technology is, or iteration of DNA analysis to find the answer. Yeah, that's something that still surprises me, and I constantly forget that. I would be interested to see if there's any evidence. Whatsoever of anyone else in the vehicle. Okay. Yes, you're on to something. You're cooking. But if there wasn't, then what would have happened there? Did he just gun it and then jump into the passenger seat and had previously stripped himself of his clothing? Good questions. Which isn't far-fetched because of the fact that he has had somewhat of a, what appears to be a mental break during this time. My mind is wandering around. Yeah, no, I love to hear the wander because you're dancing around a lot of, you know, a lot of themes here. A lot of what makes people confused and intrigued by this case, but also definitely what the theories are attempting to resolve. Yeah, I love to hear what they're trying to say, but I don't know what they're trying to say. So, I'm going to have to go back and try to figure out what they're trying to say, but I'm going to go back and try to figure out what they're trying to say. Yeah, that's a good point. Tens per gallon for six months. Open soon. Limited time offer. New members only. BJ's, home of the save. Who can you trust? So there is more, I will say, to what the truckers saw that day. We'll kind of like roll it out as it makes sense, rather than just kind of info dump everything. But I want to move into the investigation, because immediately an investigation is launched here. It's a very confusing scene, a very confusing series of events, and they want to determine exactly what happened in these early morning hours, especially in these gaps that we just don't know about. And we also know investigators are aware of what the wife is saying, that, okay, he is saying that night that something terrible is going to happen. That doesn't rule out reckless self-endangerment, but the fact that the truckers, knowing nothing about that, are also saying, yeah, he's telling us that other people were in the car with him and they might have beaten him near to death and then left him to die. I mean, there's a lot that you really, really need to take a closer look at. So investigators are looking in there. There's a coroner that investigates. Investigates his body and they determine that Stoll's injuries were not obtained in the car crash, but happened sometime prior. They also concluded that he must have already been naked at the time that he sustained those injuries. Now that I'm not exactly sure how they determined, but that is kind of the conclusion at that time. Yeah. How do you determine that? It could be like road rash. It could be that they didn't see any like fabrics. Like if you, if there was a big scrape, like, oh, this was a. Oh, fibers. Embedded into the skin or something. Fibers in the skin. Or like if I were to get road rash with a bear shirt, I would certainly get injured still, but it might be slightly less of an injury than just raw skin. Again, I'm kind of just guessing here, mostly leaning on, on their conclusion at that time. And also is the clothing in the vehicle. Is it anywhere nearby? This is the part that blows me away the most. I've got it later in my notes. So I'm just going to spit it out here for you. Cause it's a great question. Some sources state that his shoes were found in the back. The back with nothing else, some other sources state that his clothes were neatly folded in the back seat or the back trunk. But also others say that they were completely missing. I don't know how we don't know the minute you said some sources. I was like, here we go. Here we go. Everyone's going to report a different thing. I know where this is going with some sources. Damn it. Yes. It's always some sources. I will say in our notes, working with cat here, the leading report. Is that the shoes were in the car and that's it. It's a trickling of other reports and a lot of internet conversations. So take it with a grain of salt that, that infer that the clothes were also in the car folded. It's also like, damn people, if you, if you don't have information, if you don't have it, just shut up. Right. Don't, don't try to make it more interesting or more mysterious. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. My interpretation of it that I'm going to display is fact. Shut up, stop it. You're just confusing the case for everyone. Generations down the line, you are playing the game of telephone, um, which is already difficult, very incorrectly. Right. Stop it. We don't need your take on it, right? Right. Like that you're claiming to be information, you know, right. It's fine to have a take. It's, it's kind of like, it's a blurry line in the sand when you start to unconfidently, well, maybe confidently state clues that may or may not exist. Right. I see all the time. I know nothing about nothing. Years from now, someone's like, whoa, quote from this red web. Alfredo said this. I'd be like, you are an idiot. I'm not a source. I'm not a primary source. I don't have to be taken as a source. I don't know anything about anything. That's why I'm in this role. I asked questions. I don't know, Jack, if you want to talk about nerd stuff, let's get into it. But other than that, uh, uh huh. Yes. That's it's why, like, I love approaching these with a level head. I want to have my assessment, my personal gut instinct, like you have yours, but when it comes to the facts, I'm going to lay it down, like I seize them and then call it out when it's annoying like this, because I don't know if this man was buck wild folding his clothes in the back or just launching them out the window. No clue. Or if he was, you know, I don't know, attacked and stripped as a part of this attack, all of these things on the table. Cause someone somewhere was like, this is my interpretation of what happened, but didn't put that disclaimer. You know what I mean? And I'm sure an investigator somewhere where it was like, what happened? And they were just like, this is my interpretation. He did not have clothes in the car. And it's like, well, clues are not interpreted. The clues were there or not anyway. I mean, there's also primary sources that also have it this way in that, you know, the game of telephone is always going to plague these cases because they're unsolved. But initially coming back to the corner here, uh, they thought that he had been run over by a car just based on the severity. These injuries really, yeah, that he was run over by a car somewhere else and then basically placed in the passenger seat of his own car before then being driven to the crash site. And I'm glad you noticed this. I'm glad you pointed this out because honestly, I wasn't thinking about this, but they were concluding that the damage to the car was, you know, definitely done at the scene of the crash that it definitely sustained these injuries here. It wasn't like let's damage the car and place it. So the car itself seemingly definitely took a few rollovers from the road down into the trench, but they also concluded that the damage was inconsistent with the injuries that you would see on his person. Yeah, see, I kind of knew that was going to happen. Yeah. So car injuries make sense for the scene. Body injuries maybe don't. That's what the coroner's kind of saying at the time. Yeah, see, my mind was already going there. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Now, this is where I'll be. I got it in my notes. The shoes were found in the car, and some reports state that they were on the driver's side floorboard. The rest of his clothes were seemingly never recovered, though, of course, we've already had this conversation that some say they were neatly folded in the back of the car. Now, there's no evidence of robbery as his wallet and his keys were still present in the car, which is definitely an interesting piece of information to kind of paint the picture as to what the motive might have been here. Now, it's also reported that the blood splatter. Was also inconsistent with the crash as the driver's side seat of this vehicle was essentially free of any splatter stains, while the passenger side had a significant amount of splatter to it. We'll get into this in the theories more and in the answer at the very end. But if a body is tossed, you know, if you're not wearing your seatbelt, I don't see why it's unreasonable that, you know, you get thrown during a rollover potentially to the opposite side of the car. Depending on which way it's turning over. I just man, this is I keep trying to envision it in my head. Yeah, just in terms of like the different scenarios and what it would look like. They say how the body was positioned in the passenger seat. It's a great question. Not that we could find. Damn. Yeah, I didn't like I didn't think we had that information because I feel like we would have brought that to the front already. Yeah, I'm thinking like, is he in a car like, does he have a seatbelt on? Is he like buckled in that, you know, that says a lot is he just kind of look like he's whiplash into the passenger seat, right? Like, I don't know, I will say hold on to that. Oh, there's a lot of holding on to this. I like these are okay. The theory is about to cook, but also like new details do very small minor details. I'll add that seem to unfurl in the modern investigation. So I will say the seatbelt is definitely an element here. And it. It also matches it matches up with my gut instinct because, like, not everybody drives around with a seatbelt and not only that, but like, again, the splatter could have been from him hitting the passenger side during a rollover. If it's violent enough and you're tumbling over in a certain direction, yeah, you're going to be centrifugal force throwing you that way. Yeah. Now, what's also interesting is that when investigators look at the scene of the crime, they're saying there's no evidence of another car being here. You know, there's no skid marks on the road, no signs of heavy braking or stopping or evasive maneuvers. No tracks in the grass, meaning that this seemed to be purely a single car accident, that someone simply lost control of the car, not at a ridiculous speed because the car isn't like tumbling violently way past the trench. The trench did its job of stopping the vehicle, so that does give some clarity as to, okay, it does seem to be something he did or something this mysterious group of four might have done. Now, this is where some new information comes to play. With these two truck drivers, because the police took them both in for interviews and did these separately, which allows you to kind of corroborate what was seen that night and bolt down on the more accurate, like, what are they both saying that matches? Now, what's interesting is they both had the exact same account of that night, which means that everything you can surmise might be pretty accurate, unless they're sitting there kind of like, let's plan this, you know? Right, yeah. You could be cynical and say these two guys were part of the four. I don't know. I didn't even think about that, but I'll wax poetic. about that later maybe but they're talking to the police they give the same account and this is where they both separately give a story about seeing a person in a white jacket walking away from the scene as they arrived now again this is 3 a.m on the autobahn 45 moving away from a car accident now some reports seem to indicate that this person was injured maybe they were limping or or or what have you we don't know exactly what type of injury so again i'm not sure if this is accurate or not but to add to the confusion there were also reports from witnesses that include drivers on the road that night and many of those drivers seem to have seen an additional hitchhiker on the hagen-sud exit so now we have these two truckers who checked out the scene we have a few drivers who have seen a few things and now we have a mysterious person in the middle of the road and we have a mysterious person in the middle of the road and we have a mysterious person in the middle of the road and we have a mysterious person in the middle of the road and we have a mysterious person in the middle of the road and we have a mysterious person in the middle of the road and we have a mysterious person in the middle of the road and we have a mysterious person in the middle of the road and we have a mysterious person in the middle of the road and we have a mysterious person in the middle of the road and we have a mysterious person in the middle of the road and we have a same road at this mysterious hour same road at this mysterious hour same road at this mysterious hour and then of course what caused stole to and then of course what caused stole to and then of course what caused stole to appear intoxicated and pass it at the bar appear intoxicated and pass it at the bar appear intoxicated and pass it at the bar if his toxicology came back clean and if his toxicology came back clean and if his toxicology came back clean and then of course then of course then of course what does yogtse mean what do these six what does yogtse mean what do these six what does yogtse mean what do these six letters mean and do we even have it letters mean and do we even have it letters mean and do we even have it correct could it be that you know we correct could it be that you know we correct could it be that you know we couldn't read his handwriting couldn't read his handwriting couldn't read his handwriting the thing is like is this just did he the thing is like is this just did he the thing is like is this just did he have have have an episode very much could be and and an episode very much could be and and an episode very much could be and and that's why all these sporadic things that's why all these sporadic things that's why all these sporadic things happened right and happened right and happened right and there happened in his head but i don't there happened in his head but i don't there happened in his head but i don't know right right now that that's the know right right now that that's the know right right now that that's the thing that can connect all this together thing that can connect all this together thing that can connect all this together because it's so sporadic it's very because it's so sporadic it's very because it's so sporadic it's very sporadic sporadic sporadic seemingly random and i think you're onto seemingly random and i think you're onto seemingly random and i think you're onto something that would be my my gut something that would be my my gut something that would be my my gut instinct as well is that instinct as well is that instinct as well is that you know what is the nexus point for you know what is the nexus point for you know what is the nexus point for all of these confusing elements it's all of these confusing elements it's all of these confusing elements it's him you know it all pivots around him him you know it all pivots around him So there is a world where all of these things are true and it's very curious. And there is a reality where all these things are not true and they are in his head. Very much on the table. Before we dive in, I want to talk about this note. Because you'd think that this would be a hard piece of evidence. It's a very curious element of the case. And of course, the whole case is known for this note. So police, of course, are talking to his wife about everything, essentially. She's telling them about the odd behavior, including the cryptic message that she found. She noticed that he wrote this before he left. Now, what's really unfortunate is that police were unable to recover the original note because Stoll's wife said she threw it out that very night that he died. You know, he goes off and I guess she sees this note is scribbled down and maybe partially scribbled out. And so she goes, oh, let me just throw that in the trash. But in the morning, did you take the trash out? Did you incinerate it? When you found out the next day that your husband was missing and or dead, grab that sucker. Yeah, that note would have been pulled out of that trash can. I don't care if so fast, if if it was on, I'm pulling it out. I'm putting it in the Ziploc bag. I'm washing my hands 15 times. Sixteen. Fifteen for the dirt. Sixteen is for the germs. Yeah. Seventeen for the feel of it. Seventeen just for the for the fun. Because I like it like I'm with you 100 percent. How do you not pull that out? You could almost be certain that she has retraced every single event that has happened in the last 24 hours, even further than that. And that note has got to stand out like a sore thumb and to not have pulled it out doesn't make any sense. Maybe she was caught up in her emotions, but it's just it's difficult. It's difficult because it doesn't seem like they. The relationship was strained in any way that there was any animosity between them. So you'd think that there's understanding. There's a sense of love there and and loss. And with that usually comes wanting to find the answer and that would play a huge role. Yeah. I mean, they reported it, but still, yeah, I don't I don't know. I mean, yeah, you could get cynical and say, like, like you're kind of getting at is like, is she part of this in some way? Honestly. I think it's just an honest accident. I don't know how it gets lost. I just looked this up because I was curious. October 26, 1984 was a Friday. So Germans shout out is Friday a common trash day. It is here Thursdays and Fridays. As far as I'm aware, that's true. Could have been trashed. They threw it in there and then locked the trash out because, you know, you do your chores. Yeah. So maybe much like a movie, she sat there telling the police and they're like, well, where is this note? Right when it gets tipped into the bin, you know, right when it gets tipped into the truck and shipped off to the landfill. And and it's just bad timing. Yeah, right. Yeah, that's true. I mean, it was quick to assume that it wasn't trash day, but it very well could have been. Yeah. So this is where some wiggle room is introduced into not only the theories, but the case at large is that she rewrites the note from memory. This is what she goes like. This is what I saw that night. I remember him scratching out in a certain way. So she writes it out again for them. We don't know what the original note looks like, but a lot of people online have theorized that. Maybe the characters just didn't match. I don't know what his handwriting, man. This is something I wish we had. I know. Give me handwriting from this guy, from other sources. So then I can see what his Yahtzee would have looked like because her handwriting is going to be different. The way she reads it could be wrong. But basically people are thinking, well, maybe, maybe the O wasn't an O. Maybe it was a zero. Maybe the Z was a two. Maybe the G was a six. You know, what if it was? something else that's a very good point yeah the fact that we don't have the actual image itself ah but i mean that's why it's a mystery right you're not gonna have everything you want if anything at all that would have just sent this into a spiral would we have solved anything would anyone else have solved anything probably not right but man would that have been an image that we would have hyper focused on oh well don't worry we'll still try to hyper focus on it here because we're going to try to figure out we're going to we're going to look at these theories as to like what this yogz might be but of course when you start to introduce letter swaps to numbers it becomes almost infinite but a lot of people were trying to decipher what this note means so let's talk about that because we got no suspects the trail is run cold that's where we're out in 1984 all the way up through april of 2025. so that's where the theories were the prominent theories for this time okay the first one up is that some have theorized that stole's wife was mistaken that the word cryptically written on the piece of paper was actually y06 apostrophe t2e or something of that variety again just swapping some letters for numbers and this kind of code would have looked a lot more like a license plate which is very interesting yeah it's been proposed that this potential license plate idea here could have been the car that ran stole over or perhaps the car that he thought was following him because i don't think he's able i mean the big issue with that logic is like he is he predicting the car that ran him over that night some people think that you know he had a premonition and that's what's going on but again my instinct is way simpler if he's being followed and he sees a car and he writes down the license plate and maybe he goes oh eureka i've got it i've seen this license plate somewhere else before all of that makes way more sense to me it doesn't make way more sense and i don't know why i'm i mean thinking this now but i'm just like wait a second if my significant other is just like frantic and they they write something down a piece of paper and they say eureka i'm gonna want to know what that is mm-hmm that's just in general not me thinking anything nefarious is going down i'm not gonna be able to relax until you tell me what the hell that was about what what happened right there right and what was that stroke of brilliance can i get in on this like can i get in on it are you what do you what do you want or what what medication are you taking is this limitless like what's what's happening yeah is it limitless but like that that's exactly where my mind is that oh man i just hindsight is 20 20. that's just i in my nature there's no way you're saying eureka and me not asking what oh what are you talking about honey what are you what are you talking about nothing you mean nothing like give me something tell me something about it yeah what do you mean nothing then you flee out the door like what's happening here yeah no i'm i'm running out the door with you right okay eureka i'm grabbing my coat let's go where are we going what is happening um that's true there's no way in hell you're yelling eureka at home running out the door and i'm just like that was weird or all right but you're right i'm with you and again yeah sure does it does it cast a little bit of sideways suspicion to the wife maybe but i think you're right i think you know hindsight is 20 20. it's unclear though if police ever investigated the idea of this of this being a license plate at the time no known license plate that we're aware of matched any sort of iteration of this code so maybe it just sounded really fancy maybe it sounded really plausible but actually just wasn't you know never really manifested anything but the next theory is simple it's pretty simple some have noted that when you change the g to a six and nothing else the code becomes the call for a romanian radio station so just one letter away from a radio station and while it's an interesting coincidence there's no real evidence that stole had any connection to this radio station that he was listening to it that he would have known about it but also like why would he have written this radio station down and then there's no other ties so that theory kind of peters out now this next one is the one that made me really it's wild but it works it's the one that made me really intrigued to explore this case it starts to dabble with corporate espionage maybe so some have theorized that the scribble has ties back to stoll's days as a food engineer tze is reportedly an ingredient that is commonly used as a flavor additive in yogurt which may have been how he arrived at yog for yogurt and tze for this ingredient some have speculated that stole potentially uncovered some sort of danger in the food supply making him a target or maybe he became aware of an ingredient that shouldn't have been added again food science brilliance insert here and that's what this cryptic code is going to tell us and that's what this cryptic code is going to tell us and that's what this cryptic code is going to tell us it's it's for people that would have known it's it's it's for people that would have known it's it's it's for people that would have known and no one else and no one else and no one else i knew there was going to be some way we i knew there was going to be some way we i knew there was going to be some way we tied it tied it tied it to like government stuff to like government stuff to like government stuff which is like also which is like also which is like also that's why i asked his profession that's why i asked his profession that's why i asked his profession but i do feel like it's a stretch here but i do feel like it's a stretch here but i do feel like it's a stretch here like we're just like we're really trying like we're just like we're really trying to make it work is a food engineer he to make it work is a food engineer he to make it work is a food engineer he found something and then this happened found something and then this happened found something and then this happened and he he just knew something about the and he he just knew something about the and he he just knew something about the food supply and then that's why like food supply and then that's why like food supply and then that's why like they were after him and yeah yeah feel they were after him and yeah yeah feel they were after him and yeah yeah feel like if that was something that was a like if that was something that was a like if that was something that was a thing a food supply is such a massive thing a food supply is such a massive thing a food supply is such a massive public thing public thing public thing that that that not just one person would discover it i not just one person would discover it i not just one person would discover it i don't feel like you know don't feel like you know don't feel like you know right i feel like like when you when right i feel like like when you when right i feel like like when you when you're producing food and you're you're producing food and you're you're producing food and you're probably producing a mass amount of it probably producing a mass amount of it probably producing a mass amount of it there's just so many links in the chain there's just so many links in the chain there's just so many links in the chain or if you were doing something or if you were doing something or if you were doing something that is worth that is worth that is worth killing a person or dangerous people killing a person or dangerous people killing a person or dangerous people people would find out right or there people would find out right or there people would find out right or there would be would be would be later later later evidence within people's health evidence within people's health evidence within people's health or some type of outbreak or or something or some type of outbreak or or something or some type of outbreak or or something that would lead to that would lead to that would lead to to something like that yeah i find it to to something like that yeah i find it to to something like that yeah i find it to be really interesting like unless he had be really interesting like unless he had be really interesting like unless he had some sort of incredible breakthrough some sort of incredible breakthrough some sort of incredible breakthrough where he was like ah we can make a zero where he was like ah we can make a zero where he was like ah we can make a zero calorie yogurt if we do this and we'll calorie yogurt if we do this and we'll calorie yogurt if we do this and we'll have all the flavor like have all the flavor like have all the flavor like but if it's a known ingredient it gets but if it's a known ingredient it gets but if it's a known ingredient it gets a little wibbly wobbly i tried to search a little wibbly wobbly i tried to search a little wibbly wobbly i tried to search tze as a food ingredient and tze as a food ingredient and tze as a food ingredient and it was coming up with like maybe that's it was coming up with like maybe that's it was coming up with like maybe that's a typo maybe uh you meant this a typo maybe uh you meant this a typo maybe uh you meant this so i don't know so i don't know but there's something else still in this but there's something else still in this but there's something else still in this same vein here because others have same vein here because others have same vein here because others have pointed out that y-o-g-t-z-e pointed out that y-o-g-t-z-e pointed out that y-o-g-t-z-e rearranged could be an anagram rearranged could be an anagram rearranged could be an anagram an anagram for the word zygote an anagram for the word zygote an anagram for the word zygote now i don't want to get too into the now i don't want to get too into the now i don't want to get too into the weeds about zygotes and biology but a weeds about zygotes and biology but a weeds about zygote and biology but a zygote is the first developmental stage zygote is the first developmental stage zygote is the first developmental stage for many multicellular organisms forms a for many multicellular organisms forms a for many multicellular organisms forms a pair of male and female reproductive pair of male and female reproductive pair of male and female reproductive cells that contain genetic information cells that contain genetic information cells that contain genetic information used in creating each organism all that used in creating each organism all that used in creating each organism all that to say that when you are making to say that when you are making to say that when you are making genetically modified food scientists genetically modified food scientists genetically modified food scientists will use this stage of a zygote you will use this stage of a zygote you will use this stage of a zygote you know like a single cell in order to know like a single cell in order to know like a single cell in order to disperse the modification to the rest of disperse the modification to the rest of disperse the modification to the rest of the cells in that plant or what have you the cells in that plant or what have you the cells in that plant or what have you and so and so and so again it's kind of like pulling at strings again it's kind of like pulling at strings again it's kind of like pulling at strings here it's a plausibility as a food here it's a plausibility as a food here it's a plausibility as a food engineer this rearranges to zygote it's engineer this rearranges to zygote it's engineer this rearranges to zygote it's it's a stretch but it's an interesting it's a stretch but it's an interesting it's a stretch but it's an interesting coincidence nonetheless coincidence nonetheless coincidence nonetheless yeah it oh man it is yeah it oh man it is yeah it oh man it is it's not like you know oh wait he wrote it's not like you know oh wait he wrote it's not like you know oh wait he wrote the code zygote we gotta kill this guy the code zygote we gotta kill this guy the code zygote we gotta kill this guy you know like yeah like worthy of like you know like yeah like worthy of like you know like yeah like worthy of like spending resources to take this guy out spending resources to take this guy out spending resources to take this guy out type of situation i don't know you know type of situation i don't know you know type of situation i don't know you know not quite sure about that this is when not quite sure about that this is when not quite sure about that this is when the idea of corporate espionage the idea of corporate espionage the idea of corporate espionage cover-ups of mishandling of food or cover-ups of mishandling of food or cover-ups of mishandling of food or what have you all come to the table what have you all come to the table what have you all come to the table because like if he knew something then because like if he knew something then because like if he knew something then like maybe he was a whistleblower and like maybe he was a whistleblower and like maybe he was a whistleblower and they were like we got to put a we've they were like we got to put a we've they were like we got to put a we've seen that but here seen that but here seen that but here maybe but i'm not seeing it as much maybe but i'm not seeing it as much maybe but i'm not seeing it as much personally i mean i do like that we're personally i mean i do like that we're personally i mean i do like that we're exploring everything right every little exploring everything right every little exploring everything right every little nook and cranny nook and cranny nook and cranny that i do appreciate because that i do appreciate because that i do appreciate because you want to flush this stuff out yeah you want to flush this stuff out yeah you want to flush this stuff out yeah let's get to the bottom of it for me let's get to the bottom of it for me let's get to the bottom of it for me i'm trying to i'm trying to i'm trying to try to put a little bit more stock into try to put a little bit more stock into try to put a little bit more stock into it but it just seems a little it but it just seems a little it but it just seems a little far out there it's conspiracy yeah but far out there it's conspiracy yeah but far out there it's conspiracy yeah but not in the way i'm just like that's not in the way i'm just like that's not in the way i'm just like that's just so far and then the way i'm like just so far and then the way i'm like just so far and then the way i'm like man how can we man how can we man how can we how can this connect more like i can see how can this connect more like i can see how can this connect more like i can see it but i need more yeah and i'm trying it but i need more yeah and i'm trying it but i need more yeah and i'm trying to see more on it because i you know i i to see more on it because i you know i i to see more on it because i you know i i do like do like do like the string right if we're looking at the string right if we're looking at the string right if we're looking at the the the if we're looking at the board the cork if we're looking at the board the cork if we're looking at the board the cork board and the red web and everything board and the red web and everything board and the red web and everything like that like that like that i feel like we looked a lot in these i feel like we looked a lot in these i feel like we looked a lot in these different areas and we have this one different areas and we have this one different areas and we have this one string that goes off and string that goes off and string that goes off and and kind of like spirals just a little and kind of like spirals just a little and kind of like spirals just a little bit into other things and that's the bit into other things and that's the bit into other things and that's the food section in his food section in his food section in his his career and i'm just like i'm looking his career and i'm just like i'm looking his career and i'm just like i'm looking at it now harshly just going where can at it now harshly just going where can at it now harshly just going where can i spin another web off of this i spin another web off of this i spin another web off of this section i just can't think of one that's section i just can't think of one that's That's the thing. I can't. Yeah. I mean, it's like we don't know why he was unemployed. Maybe it has something to do with this. You know, we don't know why he felt he was being pursued. Maybe it's because it attaches a few ingredients together. I can see it, but I'm with you. Something that more firmly ties it together. I feel like it needs another major clue or two for me to really feel like it's not just a conspiracy theory. True. I forgot this one was in here because, again, it's also very short. But some sleuths on Reddit have noticed that if you look at Yagzi upside down, like a calculator, later, and you turn it upside down, it actually resembles the number 371902. And that apostrophe becomes a comma. So 371902. Some have also seen different number combinations, for example, 027 comma 906. Ultimately, it's unclear what this might lead to. Again, it's just another step in the possible or plausible decryption of whatever this thing might be. But I think the biggest wrinkle in all of these is that underlaying it all is we don't have the original note. We only have his wife's memory of it and what she wrote down. And so it really kind of it might undermine all of these theories, honestly. Yeah, that's a that's a good point. We have a lot in terms of what happened to him, right, where he ended up. But that note is just such a subtle but massive part of the mystery. And there's just no way. That's why now I'm even more intrigued on how did we solve this. Tammy regularly hauls stuff to her kids at college. That's why she shops at BJ's Wholesale Club, saving up to 25% off grocery store prices. Beef jerky, microwave meals, laundry pods, even they can't screw up. Have you met my kids? And with BJ's gas, she gets there for less. They call me the road warrior. This is your home, road warrior mom. Home of the save. Join for just $20 at BJ's dot com slash mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months. Open soon. Limited time offer. New members only. BJ's home of the save. Yeah. So let's talk about the theories behind the accident and the death. And then, of course, we'll conclude with no mysteries left unturned. And then we'll talk about. Yeah. Like what what did they conclude today and what did they see differently that we didn't see back then? OK, so because we talked about it just recently, let's talk about the whistleblower theory on his death now, not just the note. It might seem unlikely, though some believe that Stoll might have been a security risk. Or a whistleblower or something of that kind in a covert modification project, which would have made him a target. I don't know his level of knowledge or depth in the field of food engineering, but maybe again, when you don't know, you can kind of fill in the gaps that you don't. And so a lot of people are thinking, well, maybe, maybe he knew about a covert modification project here. And if he was in such a position, he could have been followed home after the bar or maybe even seen a person of interest. Someone that he recognized and was terrified of at the bar, which would have caused him to kind of stumble over in shock, maybe even fall down. And that maybe if he was followed after the pub again, filling in a lot of gaps here, but maybe if he was followed outside the pub, these four men could have jumped in the car with him as the passenger and maybe the rest of the night unfolded in a mysterious but then kind of make sensing kind of way. Like maybe that's why he went to a familiar face, but not his family. If he was in direct danger or there's men in the car that might hurt someone, you know, I don't know. Yeah. Now, of course, this could explain the mysterious circumstances around his death, but ultimately there's no evidence of Stoll being part of any sort of suspicious activity regarding food engineering or modification. There's no other, as you were kind of looking for hard pieces of evidence to draw in the idea, corporate espionage or whistleblowing or what have you. But this moves us into a little bit more plausible arenas like this next one. Local police at this time of the accident kind of pursued the lead that Stoll might have been involved in some sort of organized crime. Stoll would take frequent vacations to the Netherlands and this might have led to possible connections, rumored connections to Dutch drug lords. So there's some factual evidence here, not with his connection to possible drug lords, but rather the idea of the Netherlands, right? So let's give some history. Police could not find any evidence tying him to criminal activity, but historically there was a steep rise in organized crime in the Netherlands in the 1980s following the decriminalization of marijuana in 1976. So this led to the illegal wholesale market to be largely unprotected, allowing drug lords to take control of the drug trade and his frequent trips make him suspicious of this, but in no way tie him to this theory. But, you know, it is a little bit more plausible, especially if he's gallivanting around that night, feeling followed, like he might be under threat. It has nothing to do with his job. It might have anything to do. Like maybe he got into this because he didn't have his job and he was looking for income. Like again, reasonable assumptions, but no evidence. Yeah. It's like you said, it's reasonable and sitting here, it's crossed my mind, but I need something, you know, got to have some, but that's just, it's a part of the process as you're trying to think about the mystery, right? Like, I don't see how it doesn't cross your mind, but there's nothing. There sniffing up these nuggets of truth and trying to just, you have all these loose threads and you're just trying to be like, is there anything else that could tie these together? Is it on the board? A little cork board? Yes, definitely. I don't got any strings to it. Is it far away from the center? Yeah. Is it far away from the center, right? Is it off to the side? There's a list of like, you know, with nothing else tied to it, just with the other bunch of wild theories. Yeah. You kind of glance over and you go, you go back to it. Right. And as I always have on the opposite side of the board, right? Way over there. Did he have a casual rendezvous with a thicked up alien that kept bopping and weaving him through the night two hours at a time before accidentally slamming him down in a car a little too vigorously? It just says thicked up rendezvous and you take it from every board. And when we have a new mystery, you stick it on that one. You go, hear me out. The odds are good that if I keep taking it to each mystery, it will hit. Eventually it'll stick. Yeah. Eventually we'll take it. It will put it in the middle and go, my God. Yeah. And it will be, and it will be my death at the perfect age of 100. And you'll put it right in the middle and go, my God, his body was never found, but he went peacefully in the night. I don't know how we have both of those pieces of information, but this answers it right here. Here's the answer. Okay. Getting back onto the page of Sirius, we have one more theory. I keep teasing this answer. It's not going to be a mind blow. I just like it, but it's interesting how they have a different, like an opposite conclusion. I'll tease it with that. Okay. Last theory that was kind of very, very common until this answer last year. Okay. Is that, um, it's, you know, it's the non-homicidal explanation for the crash. It's that Stoll accidentally or intentionally crashed his car in a severe mental episode. His altered state of mind could have caused him to drive erratically at a high speed. Leading him to lose control of the vehicle and crash. Some believe that Stoll might have intentionally crashed his car during a complete mental breakdown. Though again, we don't really know what he might've been suffering from, but clearly some sort of mental health crisis. But what's interesting is that these theories were initially dismissed by investigators because Stoll's final words about other men being in this car seemed so strong. And then you also have this person in the white jacket walking away from the crash. You also have the hitchhiker, you know, like, were any of these people part of these mysterious four men? And honestly, like, we don't know. But when, when an obvious piece of potential foul play comes to mind, that's where the police are going to go. Yeah. So that's kind of why it was looked over at the time rather than exploring the idea of self-harm. But it kind of gives me a wild tinfoil-y hat theory here. Like, you know, if you take what he was experiencing at face value, right? I do think that the mental health crisis was very, very likely. All things considered, and not an expert in psychology in any way, that it just has a lot of those elements that we've seen in other cases. But what if, in a wild turn of events, the four men was a real story? And that since he's so near death and barely conscious, he doesn't recognize that these two truckers are two of those men. The person walking away in a white jacket is another of the men. And then the hitchhiker is the fourth. All people mysteriously at that location at that time of night, 3 a.m. on the side of this road. Again, I don't have anything else to go with. Yeah. But like, again, Occam's razor, I think it is a mental health crisis issue because it takes the least number of assumptions to get there. The other theory takes a lot more answering. Okay. And what's the note? Who was following him? Why were they following him? Why did they attack him? Why did they kill him? Very valid questions to explore. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I'm with you on that. And that's already where my mind was at. This makes the most sense. It's the path of least resistance. Yeah. And this, I think, leads us very comfortably to the April 2025 investigation. The Hagen police announced that this long, cold case is now considered to be solved. Further DNA testing, right? I say further. There wasn't really any DNA testing in the 80s. But looking back, on it with this new technology, this showed that there was no other DNA samples in that car. So it's extremely unlikely that anybody else was in the car besides Stoll. This really interrupts the idea that four other men were squeezed in there with him because it's not a huge car for five people. Yeah, it's not. Additionally, new investigations found that Stoll's injuries actually did not match being run over by a car, but instead aligned more with the car crash he was in, which is interesting because the very fresh autopsy investigation kind of concluded that, yes, he had injuries. but they didn't seem to match the accident he was found in. Now, modern investigation completely disagrees with that. Yeah, was that just like a poor autopsy? Like, what happened there? It could be. Honestly, it really could be. No matter how good you are, it could be that you have like a different conclusion than the next experts. I'll kind of get tinfoily here in a second, but yeah, I mean, it is interesting that they kind of concluded differently. Now, this new evidence combined with the knowledge that Stoll was suffering from psychological problems, right, that the paranoia being followed, et cetera, led police to believe that he was likely in a single car traffic accident. Investigators stated that Stoll was likely in a heightened state of paranoia, explaining his strange behavior, and filling in the gaps, maybe he saw something that night that might not have been there. We will never know. But ultimately, if he's panicked like he was when he saw the elderly woman that he kind of knew as a child, like, who's to say he wasn't driving paranoid, you know, and that it didn't impact his motorcycling? I mean, if he's in this frantic mental state, everything mentally, physically, all over the place. I mean, as either, you know, eyewitnesses, the bar, as they saw. That connects the pieces, I think, more solidly. Yes, is there tinfoil room here? Absolutely, there always, I feel like, is. But this connects the dots with less assumptions and more firmly in my mind. But this comes back to one of the many other pieces that I asked for you to hold on to. You know, like, him being in the, in the passenger seat. They had an answer for this because they concluded that he was likely not wearing his seatbelt, as you were kind of, kind of thinking about out loud. And so when this rollover happened, he was flung into the passenger seat as the car crashed down into the ditch, hence why the splatter was mostly on that side of the car. And finally, I mean, of course, now we have, okay, well, what's the note then? Well, investigators believe that Yachtsy, this note, must have been irrelevant to the case. Nothing more. More than a strange coincidence or perhaps just a byproduct of, again, whatever he was experiencing and going through that night. Just another of the multiple byproducts of that, that it might not have meant anything. Yeah, that's the thing is that if we do go down this path of, like, a mental break, then at that point, all of it could be for nothing. I mean, it's interesting. Again, you can get tinfoil hat and say, well, they're just trying to solve a case. So they had, you know, some sort of completion raid. So that way, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. You know, you can always start firing blindly into the unknown. But I think what's interesting is that they kind of have one key piece, right? The 1984 autopsy says this body was injured while naked and injured prior to and more severely than this crash could have done it. And then modern investigation says, nope, everything kind of lines up, honestly. I think that's interesting. I don't know why it's interesting. I think. Even just from a, you know, two professionals across time looking at the same case, it's just interesting. Man, I don't know. Either way, right? I'm still super fascinated by the man in the white jacket seen walking down the road away from this incident because this is corroborated by, yes, sure, two guys who arrived together who said they saw this separately. Would they have planned a story? Maybe. Why would they do that? I don't know. Like, why? But yeah, so they see a person in a white jacket walking down the road at 3 a.m. away from a crash site. That they didn't report. So it. Did they see this accident? If they did, why didn't they report it? Were they part of it? And if they were, then what's that have to say about modern forensics closing the case, you know? So my tinfoil idea on this person, right? And this is not even my. I think I have read a few strapped-on tinfoil theories, right? Was. Was this person a lab tech from a food lab who knew a little something-something about hiding his prints and his DNA at the scene of a crime, but it's a theory, right? It's a tinfoil theory. It's a conspiracy theory. It's got no legs to stand on. And it doesn't. I mean, it's not even smelling right. Yeah. But I have seen people kind of fumbling around going, like, does that confirm the cover-up, this espionage element in that modern police are just kind of paid off? I don't know. I don't like even putting it out there, but it's out there. I think it's still a mental health crisis. I think it is, too. I. I'm not getting enough. I'm not getting enough for it to be anything more than that. I mean, it's a great example of a case where we do have an answer and yet conspiracies still happen. I think that's a fascinating human element. Like, our need, our desire to fill in the unknown, whether it's for comfort or curiosity or the natural desire to explore. I don't know. So, if nothing else, I do think we have an answer here. I think that provides some closure, but it's a really interesting example of how humans approach a case like this and maybe why we're so intrigued with the unknown, you know? Like. I think so. I think because there's so many variables and there's this juicy little, like, note and vivid moment in the mystery that makes it so enticing. Yes. It's that juicy note, dude. It really is. And it kind of puts it in two sections, right? You have all the pre-mystery and the post-mystery. It's kind of what we're sitting at here. Yeah, this might be one of the first times we've explored two related but separate theories sections attempting to answer different things. That's true. Yeah, it really was its own, like, the note had its own set of theories and, yeah, it was a good one. It's a very interesting one. Thank you again, Fenric, for submitting this. Great submission. And again, Task Force, if you're interested, if there's cases we haven't explored, we've made a post at redwebpod.com. It's free for anybody that visits and it's somewhere on there. It's not too far back. Every now and then we try to pin it to the top so you can come see it but it's also hyperlinked in the tier benefits so you can find it for sure but, yeah, submit your topics if you want us to explore it but this case is wild. I do, I actually appreciate that there is some sort of answer here because I would have been real mad. If this was one of those cases I would have been real mad with, like, the gaps in knowledge. Oh, yeah, I completely would have been but we had so much and just we had a lot of strong pieces but then it's wild because it never spiraled into anything else. Mm-hmm. And it's like, here's the pre, here's the strong pieces, here's the post, here's the strong pieces and then from there theorize all you want but that's all you get. Guess, yeah. I mean, I'm not trying to give you any ideas. I know you're a man of mystery ultimately throughout your days. You'll be dropping little breadcrumbs, little notes, little clues and I know that when you pass in the far, far future from now, quiet and peaceful, healthy as you could be just going out like a light, you know, there's going to be a wild ARG set in your place that your children will have to unwind. 1,000, 1,000%. I've already talked about this a handful of times and you're going to get a little tape. Yeah, and the clues are laid in every single episode here. Oh, yeah. She's just, she's chilling. She's got a little robe and it's like, hello, task force. Just because I'm dead that this is over. Right. And I'm like, oh my God, he's got seven movies out of this. It's going to be like years after. It's like, here comes another tape. He's not staying dead in the ground. How many did it record? And you go, well, when you first talk about it, 30 years ago, a lot of time to record casually here and there. Oh my God. He's like, he's jumping all around in age and these are just scheduled releases on a far dead red web YouTube channel. This is wild. But honestly, this gives me notes for your little ARG book. You know, the minute you start kind of expanding your family and you could even start doing it and now, you know, every now and then you just walk into a room, you say something innocuous, like get after it. And then you write something intriguing on a piece of paper and you throw it on the floor and you walk away. So no matter what happens, an accident, something planned or nothing at all. You've got these like mysterious Mr. X that will just just nasty stuff. Oh, just a bunch of Mr. X. A bunch of Mr. X. You just go, we can't believe anything this man said. Not at all. This man, this man was just laying down the foundation of like decoys left and right. And so, I don't know. People are just going to take it to the point where they just go, I just don't care. Yeah, you know what it's going to be? Minute one, when the tape comes on and you go, I've laid clues throughout my life. And you're like, nah. Nah, I already know, I already know this is going to be some BS that's going to take years and years. Nah, I'm good. Pass, click. Oh, wait, don't hit it. That's right. You get an email and you go, wow, wow, wow, I see you falling for my video trap. Oh my God. Let me explain the true nature of this. Block. You get a text. I see you blocked my email. As I predicted, the blocked email has set a chain in motion. Here's the voicemail. You thought you unsubscribed. A phone call later on a rotary telephone and a pay phone even. This is nutty. That was good. It's going to be a whole chain. I believe it. I believe it to happen. The great mystery of 2178 Alfredo plays. What was he doing? Answer? Nothing. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Not going to be anything profound. We dug through the archives 150 years ago. He admitted. Okay, well, Task Force, Alfredo, as we come to an end, man, what a wild classic episode for Red Web. What a, - What an interesting one. We've been on a run. tear right now yeah we have movies and episodes firing on all cylinders yes sir i think this friday speaking of you know we've got movie club on resident evil 2002's resident evil yes we do my first experience with any resident evil so come on hang out uh that redwebpod.com link is available to you there but um but man yeah we're coming up on 300 episodes and i don't know if we got anything big planned for that one or not because here we are cooking away right now but uh man it's it's wild to still be on a tear so many episodes in so i want to thank you all just some shout outs here specifically sonja for our newest task force member thank you so much for joining just like minutes ago uh cluster storm is our buff scientist of the week of course our squawks of the week are gavin day loke and holster just to name a few but task force fredo christian who is off doing some acting wonderfulness uh , thank you all 300 episodes is is nutty nutty to think about all right with that said fredo we inch ever closer to 300 and i'll see you right here next monday for yet another mystery hank joined bj's wholesale club the day he became a father of 30. i coach football now coach hank saves a lot of people's lives and saves a lot of people's lives and saves a lot of people's lives up to 25 off grocery store prices 30 pounds of pasta three cases of protein bars 75 sports drinks and that's just pre-game he knows teamwork and bj's knows savings this is your home coach home of the save join for just twenty dollars at bjs.com slash mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months open soon limited time offer new members only bj's home of the save