Xavier Omär On American Idol, Barack Obama, RCA Records, HunnyMoon Mountain, Dallas (Full Interview)

What is the correct way to pronounce your stage name? Xavier Omar. No one's ever asked me that. Thank you. Please. Now, technically, quite technically, because of the umlaut, it's Omer is the way it's supposed to be said. That's not what I'm going for. Obviously, the majority of my fan base at the moment is in the U.S. So I just did that as like a difference maker. It's my real middle name. But I added the umlaut as just a standout difference thing, merchandising, all those things. So Xavier Omar is how I was hoping people would say it. But of course, it's just Xavier Omar. It's like I wanted the O to be more like, you know, O'Shaughnessy, O'Neal, Omar. And that's what I was hoping for. But it didn't work out that way. So. But yes, Xavier Omar. Now, aside from people mispronouncing it, do people misspell it as well? No. I mean, a lot of people will forget to use the umlaut or. Put it over the O at times. But because, you know, it's easy to spell. So for the most part, I've never seen Xavier misspelled except on my Starbucks order this morning when they put A-Z-A-V-I-O-R. And I spelled it for the man. So I don't know how we got there. Very upset about that. But yeah, for the most part, it doesn't happen that way. So, yeah, just they misplace the umlaut or forget it entirely. And care to share where this Starbucks was located at? What part of the world? It was in Dallas this morning flying into into here. I got a what time was my flight? Like 7 a.m. or something. And so I think I was in my terminal around six and just trying to get something, you know, get some coffee to get going. And yeah, I looked dude dead in the eyes. I said my name, Xavier, X-A-V-I-E-R. And he's just typing away. Oh, cool name. And then and then I hear when they call the order out, is that war? And I was like, who is that? What even is that? And I was like, oh, no, that might be me. And so I go look at it and it's like, yep, I'm pretty sure this is my order. It's Cobra. This is me. Yeah, pretty horrible. I took a picture, show my wife like, you know, I'm just tired of the game. Starbucks get it together. And speaking of Starbucks, what you actually order for those in the audience that are curious? Yeah, I don't usually go. I'm not like I'm new to coffee in general, so I don't even do hot coffee yet. Yeah. I don't usually go. So I'm really into a cold brew. What I got today was just a cold brew with I think I got almond milk and some vanilla just to give me, you know, a little bit of I can't do the coffee flavor full on yet. So I need some a little extra to tame it. Just do that. Swirl it. Go at it. You know, get me wired for the next four to five hours. You know, that's my thing. Now, when it comes to either mispronunciation or misspellings zooming out, what do you notice people do more overall speech? It's, you know, the pronunciation, just because I haven't been super specific about it, about, hey, I want it this way. It's one of those things that when you try to fight it, it's just no need to fight it. Let the people say what they say. Like, just as long as we get people, get companies and whoever I'm working with, brands to put that umlaut on there to keep the branding consistent. That's all that matters. That happens here and there. But, you know, it's not the biggest thing in the world that people don't say it the way I want it to be said. Like. We have life to live. We got bills to pay. It's all right. Now, do you accept any abbreviations of this stage name of yours? From friends and family. I was getting used to X all my life. Just hearing X. Growing up, X man was, of course, what my parents and adults would say when I was super young. By the time I moved to Georgia in, what was that? Well, when I moved back around high school. So about 2004, I'm dating myself there. But around there for high school, the South would call me Zay. And I was not used to that at all. Like, I didn't. My parents didn't say it much. And I just didn't hear it much. So I didn't like it. And now I prefer Zay amongst all my friends. And then I moved to Texas and everybody in Texas called me X. And I was just like, well, I guess it doesn't matter what I prefer. So I'm OK with either, of course, X or Zay. But that's pretty much as far as it goes. Or, you know, nicknames or abbreviations or anything. But just for clarification, you do prefer Zay between those? For, you know, for my people, for sure. If I don't know you, like, I don't like you calling me Zay. Like, I get it. So, like, women will do it on the Internet. It's nice. It's cool. But if you see me in public and just be like, Zay, and I don't recognize the face, I'm not answering. I'm just not going to answer. I don't know you. So, like, I don't want to make you think we might know each other. Nah. Like, I'm Xavier. Now, you mentioned. A middle name here that you end up using for this stage name of yours. But care to share the origin or the details of this name in its entirety? Yeah, you mean from the musical aspect? Yes. Why you chose this stage name. Yeah. So, of course, alluding to the fact that I used to be SPZRKT, which means Spazzy Rocket, which is the name that I came up with in my late teens. I was in a rap group. I was in a rap group in high school. And just, you know. Bit balling stuff, trying to figure out what the heck we're doing in music. And N.E.R.D.'s song, they had a song called Spaz. That's what it was. And it would come on in the cafe at school. This is, well, actually, this is like my first year of college, which was all of two months. But the song would come on, the video would come on in the cafe. And I would get up and do the dance Pharrell did in the video, just dancing along. And so one of my homies just started calling me Spazzy. And I liked the name. So I ran with it because my group was doing. There's Star Wars, like kind of space stuff at the time. So then we did Spazzy Rocket. I just added the rocket for the space stuff. Once the group broke up and I got into my solo music, maybe some two, three years later, I just dropped the vowels out the name just to see what people might respond to when they see those letters. But hear this voice. And, you know, it was kind of a party trick at first. And it had a ceiling party trick that had an absolute. Because you couldn't spell it, you couldn't share it, you couldn't say it right. Like it only went so far. So I wasn't even thinking about it. But shout out Sango because I am I was in Europe with him on a tour with him. And I want to say it was 2016 and we're in an Uber. He just looks at me because it's the types where you can face each other. Right. He just looks at me and goes, so when are you going to change your name? And I was like, I hadn't thought about it at all. From that point on, I thought about it and I sat down with my team at the time and say, what makes sense? And nothing felt really good. I wanted to use my name so that I wouldn't have to change it again. But no other like, you know, fake nickname or I don't know, some made up last name. Nothing really worked good. I don't like my actual name as an artist name either. My actual last name, I should say. But with the Omar, it's funny, the girl who I first heard it from. It's my vocal coach now. It's just the way she said it because the way I sang one day and she just liked my middle name. And so I was like, I think I want to use that because it sounded really good to me. So I went with the Omar out of the umlaut and here we are today. And that ceiling was shattered immediately. And it would help my career expand because, you know, people can say it for one so they can share it and tell them who they're talking about. So in essence, just for clarification, this is your government. First name and middle name. But then obviously you had those two dots. Yes. On top. Added that on the top. But that's just the one artistic touch. It's much like Anderson Pack, whose name is, I think his name is Brandon Anderson or something like that. And he put the middle first, added the small dot as a detail, Pack. And so the umlaut was my detail as well. Now, was there any inspiration from Anderson's name for this or that was just a mere example you were just providing? An example. But before I was about to do it, like as I was gearing up to make the change, I still he wasn't superstar Anderson Pack yet and I had like access to him. So I asked him, like, hey, man, you know, how did you deal with when you did your name change? Because he used to be Breezy Lovejoy and I just got advice from him about how to handle it. You know, people are going to some people are going to go with it. Most people will go with it and some are still going to try to hang on to the past, but just keep going. And it'll be who you want. It'll be where you want it to be and you'll be who you want to be. So I just hung on to that advice from him. But like actual spelling of the name or not like that. Nothing specifically about that is what I was thinking when I chose my name. Any any regret on adding those two dots onto this final stage name? Looking back on how everything's played out? No, it's it's still super unique. I think I've seen obviously Motorhead is the OG in America. American music or the biggest one in American music to use it. We've seen Chloe Bailey use it low key. I'm not going to say she stole from me, but I know that she knows who I am. I know that she knows because she did a thing on Freeform where she was putting people onto artists and she listed me first. She said, Xavier Omar's voice like butter, blah, blah, blah. I know she knows who I am. So it's possible that, you know, you know, it's possible from Motorhead or just another another way to stand out. SEO, you know what I mean? Like. when somebody searches Xavier Omar with that umlaut, you're only getting me. right if you just search xavier omar you might get javier omar you might you know i mean so seo purposes and um just something that stands out my logo with the heart umlaut heart sun and moon like all of that has made it a really good choice and this rap group uh care to share the name of this group at the time i do not care i know are you if you were there you were there it was high school some stuff still exists on the internet i don't want to see it i don't want to be clowned about it we were teenagers leave me alone um but me and my boy la as well as our homie freeman we were in the group together so the three of us are still heavily in music um la's album his newest album comes out july 25th um so i really hope everybody's listening to that my album just came out back in may 2nd for honeymoon mountain and freeman i'm not sure when his next one is but he has music out too so we're still all going for it uh we found our way to our path and it's all much better than what we did as kids so focus on that don't worry about the high school stuff and care to share the name of the uh album title that drops on july 25th for those in the audience here i love this album on july 25th is lotus ave if you go to his socials at e-l-h-a-e uh if you go to yeah his youtube he's got these phenomenal videos for it a couple of them shot by david brain who i worked with on afraid part two video um yeah it's just it's phenomenal work it's very cinematic that's just if you follow him in his career that's his style you hear it and all the way back to aura one uh her all have fallen like all the projects he's very cinematic in his style and that returns in this project uh to the largest degree yeah and although um you won't say the name of the group at the time are you able to reason for the breakup back then of this group yeah man i've never even talked about this because i guess since i haven't let too many people in on the group who don't know about it it hasn't been like a big talking point really but the reason the group broke up back then was we were noticing i guess with i'm not going to say who but between the members like interests were just kind of changing it seemed as if we noticed you know who was doing the majority of the work um who was suggesting the the records the beats the all these things right and we looked at it like what's you know what's kind of happening it's not the energy that it had been um and we were getting i think we all were at least 20 or 21 by that point too so it was just like we started the group when we were 14 so interests were just kind of changing and i think we recognized that in good time and said you know we should look at doing this another way la decided to branch off into solo work i never wanted to be a solo artist so i was like i guess i don't make music anymore like quite literally that was my stance um freeman was the first to put out actually was it la la was the first to put out a project like i think later that year he put out a mixtape um and then freeman put one out not too long after that and i think it took me maybe two to three more years before i did because again i didn't want to be solo i had to figure that out i thought i would just go play drums for a band or maybe i could lead sing for a band like an actual band i mean food fighters coldplay something like that i was looking at i always just wanted this uh camaraderie this group i didn't see myself as like poster boy or lead of the group in any manner that in that way so i didn't think that i should be a part of that so i just went out for american idol when i was in the rap group i was rapping and i would sing sometimes and people would comment on the songs that i sang on there was one in particular that made people go okay yeah like we really like this song more than anything on the project so i said i'll focus in on singing and that's how i like got to this point today was just changing the way i made music completely but yeah the breakup was definitely just an overtime thing and i legitimately didn't think i'd be making music after that but from the sounds of it not your call at all no no no not my call i understood it and um i even agreed with it i tried to make it go a different way like i said not trying to throw anybody under the bus in this equation whatsoever uh i've tried to find a find different ways for it to work in different iterations and it just didn't make sense so i backed off the most musically uh but it was just it was too much fire in there man yeah i had to i had to come back for it now just diving into the uh music side of things uh for you uh excuse me you're obviously described as a singer but you're also described as a songwriter which came first of these two talents for you are you able to share the uh chronological order or the history of how these came about in your life yeah songwriter came first because i was rapping and i was writing my own stuff um and that was about age 12. my brother was actually in a three-man group in high school he was the producer but he also rapped i had two other guys with him so it's funny i kind of mirrored him in a way except i didn't produce in high school but i sort of mirrored his high school life in a way um he was so cool to me and i just wanted to do a piece of what he was doing and so i tried to get on a song once and he told me if you can write bars you can be on this song i didn't know what a bar was this was maybe sixth or seventh grade maybe around there and i was just like six it had to be sixth grade so i'm like yep i guess i'm not on this song because i don't know what a bar is i can't do it uh and then even still not knowing what it was i just couldn't come up with lines at all to get on this song it was uh not until i started dating this girl in middle school dating that i found out what a bar was because she knew because she would rap sometimes so i learned from her what a bar was like structure of music um so yeah the songwriting came first and i just carried that into my singing funny enough like really way more inspired by like i think the the first not rock but like alt-ish song i heard on the radio that i can remember was daughters by john well written that was it it was noticeably different to me than the music i was listening to and i wanted more of that so i dove into a little bit more of his music and then like co-play and mumford and sons was around that time and i find john bellion and all these really great writers and i'm like i want to find like a way to put this into r&b not that r&b is not written well uh because honestly i didn't dig into r&b like that being around gospel so much um but i knew that what i was hearing i didn't hear in all the songs that i liked the same way you know i mean so i wanted to put like some of that in there and i really like dug my feet in the ground on just being a good songwriter and so i think it's a strength of mine for sure so i like to say that a lot of times when i meet people i'll say i'm a songwriter rather than an artist if they don't know me just so they'll it feels like they won't be as aggressive about oh what are you oh who you work with oh like all that stuff and i'm like oh my god i'm a songwriter i'm a songwriter i'm a so when i say i'm a songwriter it's like oh nice who have you written for and then i could just you know bs it but you know it's just it's easier it's an easier approach than trying to tell people like this is my job and now they have 800 questions so yeah now you mentioned this uh briefly faintly uh but want to hone in on this you mentioned the american idol audition yeah so how did that fit into the okay you're a solo artist well but you break up from the group yes and then this audition happens so you're a solo artist and then the audition happens the audition happens you become a solo artist it kind of fit that the latter yeah the audition happened so because i was uh realizing and noticing how people responded to my singing the next time i went out and did anything musical the group broke up in 20 jesus 2020 of course not 2020 the group broke up in 2010 i want to say i was in san antonio by 2011 there was this event funny enough uh my now md and drummer um he threw this event i didn't even know him at the time but i knew that it was for like people in our age group it was an open mic so i was like i'm gonna go sing that my one sing my one song where i sing the whole thing and just see how people respond to that and it was like i was michael jackson it was ridiculous just the response so i said okay maybe i really do have something here and i decided to just look for when is american idol coming because i would watch it at the time like when is idol coming to texas so the 11th season was coming to houston not san antonio but my sister flew in we drove to three hours we did the chaos of the first day to get your ticket we did the chaos of the second day even though you already have your ticket people are just rude and you know i'm not gonna lie to you i'm not gonna lie to you i'm not gonna lie to you we get down there the audition at the time so this was at nrg field or nrg stadium um they took the grass off the field i want y'all to see what i saw they took the grass off the field it's just concrete that's all it is there are 12 judges tables they're numbered blue judge table so not the tv judges not even close one person at a judge table um they they use like maybe a quarter of the arena to host all of us and then they would call us down by like the area we sat in and then place us into fours so they would do auditions by fours my group steps up all the judges get up and take a break and i was like oh no whatever chance i had is over like not i mean literally it was probably just a break they had been there for a little bit but also what if they're changing what they want they're not getting the right things like all this stuff is in my head anyway i still do my audition and i've got to be honest with you not i'm not super arrogant but i felt like i was the best and i did a good job i genuinely did a good job um and i was not brought through and somebody from that group was which made me even more mad uh just didn't know what they were looking for i guess so i sang well um i forget the song something by what are they called neon something like some pop group back then neon they had a song called animals i want to say whatever um yeah i my big story here is that i think nfl player matt schaub quarterback of the houston texans at the time cut my wristband off it was like him and the offensive lineman that's what it looked like they're all that size and that dude looked like matt schaub and he cuts off my my um wristband and i walked through the loser tunnel even though that's not what they called it it was a freaking loser tunnel i walked out of that uh didn't speak for the next three hours and was just so so upset so sad and i was like i'm gonna go to the gym and i'm gonna go to the gym and i'm gonna go to the gym and all that to say i was pissed off and had like a i'm gonna show you kind of mindset and here we are now if any of those or that judge uh is watching or listening to this interview is there anything you want to say to this person almost flip them off no um um they did their job like this they were looking for what they thought i wanted you know i can't be upset about that i think philip phillips won that year like i wasn't no philip phillips you know what i mean uh so that you know i i don't think that was going to be for me anyway or any of the other shows that i tried along the way after it just wasn't going to be for me and i'm glad honestly you just put me on the right path i didn't need those those contracts that they give out um i didn't need anything that comes along with being on those shows at the time so yeah i'm on the right path i've headlined several tours now i've opened for a couple like i paid for my house with money on music money from music and i'll take care of my family with money from music like can't be mad at the judge forever i guess and the interesting thing here on a show of that magnitude a reality show contest or whatever those things are called is just because you are declared the winner of said season doesn't mean you can still make it there's obviously other artists like yourself that didn't get passed uh didn't get called the winner and they're just as just as successful as you if not more successful so you do hear those stories right but then you also hear those stories of the people that won that are forgotten about and of course some of them that one that everybody remembers so um just how do you look at that in those yeah type of they don't make these megastars and i think we were fooled by that because kelly clarkson and carrie levin started like all these people that became these really massive stars early in what they were doing but there's way like more people who did not become these really big stars now they might have careers in music that i just don't know about like there's a niche for everything and you know maybe they just have a section or a market share that i'm just unaware of but the the illusion that everybody was going to be those big names that i just said i think that's gone whether it's from idol the voice x factor i don't even think the voice has one forgive me if i'm forgetting somebody i don't think they have one that became like this really big star x factor obviously has one direction and leona lewis and a couple others uh but it's just these things they make money for the network they are opportunities for people to advance their careers in their lives but the illusion is gone i believe so yeah you know um i think and i believe that my career is where it's supposed to be especially you know if if god didn't allow it i didn't need it you know what i mean and uh when it comes to the um i'll show you attitude or however way you uh figure figuratively said that previously can't remember the words verbatim was there ever a thought on trying if not that show again another one of those type of reality contests like an x factor and the voice i did a few i did i did the voice same result i did um i think i had a bad approach there but same result i did america's got talent same result like i never got past the first judge anywhere and i just don't think i was supposed to like the the deals that i've been able to have since the freedom that i have as an artist i would not have had that in those contracts like those were some early 2000s early 2000s late 90s style contracts still back then like yeah i didn't want any part of that so i thought i wanted it and then you learned and i didn't want any part of that so i'm glad i really feel like not not even making the show i'm glad that god didn't like crack the door open for me to think that oh maybe this is for me because it just never was and also on the opposite side of things what do you want to say to those in the audience watching or listening to this interview that did audition was in the same boat as you didn't make it in the same boat as you did in the previous interview that did audition was in the same boat as you did in the previous interview to be the winner of said show and they're watching this and contemplating their own career like should i keep going should i not uh so on and so forth obviously you had the uh i'm gonna show you attitude and kept going yeah but what do you want to say to those that may be uh dejected after uh losing uh that i was dejected you know i mean that's the first feeling is this failure but i think it's because i thought it was something that it isn't number one there's way more lanes these days and i think it's because i thought it was something that it isn't number one there's way uh there's way more opportunity i went and like put together little pieces of a studio setup in my room at that time in 2011 and now it's so much more accessible than it was back then like these shows are avenues but they're not the only one for sure uh more people lose than don't and jennifer hudson was a loser what like obviously you know that that's the greatest example i would say but i think it's because i think it's because i think it's because i think you know everybody that didn't win or even didn't get far because i gotta be honest my goal was not to win the show i was like i just want to get to hollywood once i get to hollywood i'm going to meet some of the right people whether they're in the show and maybe we become a group later or uh i meet a producer at the show something like that um i just wanted to make a connection that's i wanted to get far enough to make a connection with somebody to help me go forward and i didn't even reach that goal right uh and i'm still here i'm still headlining my own tours several times whether it's buses or planes like we've been able to make it happen man and yeah it's just not the end it's just a part of the story and also a part of the story is um a playlist appearance like that tagline for feelings for you which ended up being on barack obama's favorite music of 2022 yeah that song the story of that song itself it's really cool that it uh made it to that level because when we dropped it i was unaware it shows you how much r&b i was listening to at the time i was unaware that it had a sample from uh like a givian not just a givian song a givian single like i just did not know we just my team didn't know we just like believed in this music uh in this song and the producers didn't it was so weird thinking about it that way they didn't know either uh they got scammed in a beat pack and the sample was in that pack um so anyway we had to take the song down because of course we got strikes and stuff and i'm like this is my first song as an independent artist like it's supposed to go perfect everything is over like now nobody's gonna care when i drop it again or if i drop it again and i think it was two months two or three months later uh after some reproduction we just we put the record out again and this is the result um it was one on spotify's r&b songs of the year obama's playlist um my wife and i just kind of freaked out when we saw it and debating whether or not he actually listens to the music uh i'm for sure like a staff brings it to him and he has to approve it but the idea that he was just like on spotify or apple one day and just stopped on me it was like write that down i don't know man i don't know um but either way i'm glad that it was approved it's a cool thing that he does that raises awareness um artists people may not have listened to or known about otherwise so it didn't change my life but it was a very very cool moment and how were you even notified about it that you had made this list i saw it on the internet is we weren't tagged or nothing like that um i was just scrolling i guess maybe one of my friends saw it first now that i'm like thinking it through and i think i was tagged in the post and i'm like what is this and now i'm like you know i i thought it was just like an encouragement thing like oh you're going to be on here one day and no i was like literally on it so yeah you just come across it very nice moment i remember being in my home studio i was probably playing playstation though and just seeing that and freaking out taking it to my life and uh just uh record label wise at the time were you truly independent when you had that recognition yes uh truly independent with distribution so i think my throw at the time was independent that's the name of the company indico um so that was really cool it's a big win for all of us in that way yeah do you think they had anything to do with it well they're great so i can't say that they didn't have anything to do with it like they recovered on our snafu really well and got the song back up there um so they they were a really great team to work with that i would recommend anybody to work with especially if you're getting back on your feet or you're just looking to advance in some manner in your career like the people over at indico gabe blister like they know what they're doing they're extremely helpful extremely accessible everything was clear um so yeah i don't know i don't know what happens if i'm if they're not my distro at the time because they you know they have the conversations with the people at the companies and all that stuff so i don't know what happens without them but i know what did with them you know so great people and are you still with them today i'm not you know not an issue not a bad thing i actually really tried to get back with them it was it was honestly more so about i'm gonna i wanted to basically double my deal um because i was like hey i'm about to give you double the music if you keep my terms let's just double everything else and let's do it and they don't want to do it that way and that's not a bad thing that's just business like at the time business said doesn't make sense to do exactly that they offered uh another deal and it wasn't a bad deal it's just not what i was looking for and so you know had to move on from that but have they come back with like even something like close to what i was really looking for there's no reason to not you know go back and work with that team they're great they really are great what they do but i'm also extremely happy with rbc and bmg and you also mentioned god here yes uh you mentioned gospel music uh throughout this conversation um do you follow religion at this point 100 100 uh i can't be anchored in any manner um without jesus without my faith uh in him and in who he is what he's done um there's an end to me like i can do but so much um and it's really nice to know that and really good to know that who i'm trusting in alpha and omega like stands outside of time i'm not restricted by anything and for me to think that i can learn that know that about him and still try to live life without it like it's it's an impossibility i've i've tried life without like honestly surrendering my life to him as a lord and as a father and it's not it's not for me it's not because when i go not just when i go through trouble but when i go through things like if i'm what what is there for me to hold on to like hope what what am i hoping in like what is what am i hoping it there's no like at that point hope is just a word i need to attach that hope to something real and proven um and it's not just my parents faith that was passed down to me i went through the whole deconstruction thing at 19. i stepped out and said what is this i was on the drums one day at church at 19 years old and said what are we doing every week like what is this and for the first time i stepped outside of my church stepped outside of my bubble to see what other people had to say about jesus or other things and i i made my journey that actually made it like a much deeper connection and relationship when i thought there was a possibility for me to walk away i looked into it for myself and it it's gave me roots instead. So yes, it's what I do. I'm on the worship team at my church back in Texas. I'm singing typically like two times a month. You know, I've, the themes are pretty consistent in my music. Even when I started in Christian hip hop to now, you know, it's something that's never not been a part of my adult life. So yeah, I continue to learn and grow in that. And care to share what you consider yourself religion-wise? Is it just Christianity? Does it get any more deeper than that? Like sometimes a particular branch or denomination under that umbrella? No, not branch or denomination. It's Jesus, the follower of the way. You know, there's no specific, you know, Catholic or whatever everybody's different terminologies are. That's cool and great. You know what I mean? Like end of the day, I believe that Jesus is the son of God. Jesus is God. That he's part of the trinity, Godhead trinity. That he died and rose again for our sins. Like the basic, the basic foundation that you have to have to say, I am a believer and a follower of Christ. That's where I'm at. Everybody's specific things, like if that part isn't challenged or doesn't change, then, all well and good. If that part does change, I'm not that. I'm not whatever that is. Like, yeah, I'm really firm in my belief in that. And just for additional context, prior to the deconstruction that you went through, how were you raised? Was it a Christianity as well? Was it even more specific than that? Yeah, it was. I feel like I've been non-denominational pretty much my whole life. I think my parents were kind of just shifting into that as I was born. I mean, they've been in Baptist churches. They're from Memphis. They're from Mississippi, you know. They've been in Baptist churches and Kojic churches and all those things. But my first memories of church is about 3, 4, 5, around that time frame. And we were at a non-denominational in Warner Robins, Georgia. So yeah, the entirety of my life, especially because I ended up playing drums. And my dad was a music director. My mom was in the choir. My sister's in the choir. My brother went from drums to keys and organ. And then I'm on drums. I'm there at the time Monday, excuse me, Sunday, Wednesday, Thursday. If the band had a rehearsal, we'd be there on Saturday sometimes. And don't let there be a revival because we are there Sunday through Friday. We'll get Saturday off. We'll come back again on Sunday. Like, I can't believe they managed to do that along with our regular lives. Like, what is insane? But yeah, that was a big part of my life. But it still wasn't like what I was living. I can say that for sure. I very much wanted to figure out what life was for me and not just what my parents were saying I should do. So I didn't get into Christianity as like, was I around it? Yes, for sure. I knew the music. I knew the Christianese, the terminologies and all that stuff. But my heart wasn't there at all. And like I said, again, at 19 is when I really like challenged it for sure and went to kind of seek against it and still found my way back for sure. So yeah, I grew up in it, but I've made my own choice. Now, when it comes to back to music here, when it comes to the music side of things and specifically songwriting versus singing, which do you feel like you're more talented at at this point? Songwriting. And I don't know. I don't know. I don't have to think about it. There are so many freaking good singers in the world, man. And I've learned that just because you're a great singer doesn't mean you're a great artist, because I feel that I'm a better artist than some people who are way better singers than me. But that's just because of what I can express in my writing, in my tone, in the relatability of hearing my voice and people wanting to sing with it and sing back to it. Yeah, I've learned a lot of the differences in that. I want my voice to be better. There's so many voices I wish I had. There's so many people who I admire simply for their vocal ability. But I recognize my strength being a songwriter, saying things that are placing them in catchy manners or just singing the right note, put them in the right note at the right time, the right word at the right time. Me and my friend Andy Mineo, I love writing with him the most, because when we would be in sessions in the past, we would literally be going back and forth between two different words to see what felt better in that one, in a just insignificant word, just it doesn't matter to the song, honestly, except to us. It matters so much and just seeing which one felt better i love that and i think that's why i'm really good at it i love to sing yes but i know my god-given ability is like i'm gonna work as much as i can in it but at the end of the day he put a cap on it there's a cap somewhere um and i could probably be true for the songwriting as well but i i just i love it so much more it's creating the story and expressing it after you know what i mean and uh which do you enjoy more whether you're more talented at it or not i'm gonna say oh man i want to say singing because of the live experience like with a crowd on a stage that they're very similar feelings that's why i taking me a while to like give a real answer even though i love songwriting feel more talented than that the the experiences though euphoria is similar after writing a really good record which typically i've done at the house by myself but being able to take that record you love so much and perform it and sing it to people who are singing it back it's a completely different it's the full circle of what you thought the song could be when you wrote it and that's probably why i think i enjoy it so much more and which do you think your followers fans or supporters yeah i don't know if you have a name for them no in particular uh what do you think they enjoy the most between those two uh talents of yours it's the same game like some music heads will get into oh you wrote this really well but you'll hear about you'll see about the voice way more like you get the like butter so smooth so calming like you i hear and see the voice way more and i think it's a really good song to sing about the voice way more than the writing um but yes there is that niche group of people who are like man you really really love this song and yeah and on the songwriting uh side of things while we're at it uh how do you deal with uh writer's block when you uh if you even get that uh i don't i don't really think there's a block necessarily so for instance a lot of there will be times i can't say a lot but there will be times where i'm i hear a record and i start to write and what i hear first is a like the second verse of the song not necessarily the beginning like it doesn't always happen chronologically or linear like it's not always i wrote the song in this order i'll just hear a part of the song first figure out where i should place it and then put it down and maybe the next day or a couple hours later i'll pick it back up so it's not really a block as much as it's just like maybe not quite time yet like let this part sit see what fits around it it's almost like a puzzle in so many ways um so i don't to me if you're getting blocked that might be you need to go live like you need to go do some stuff go enjoy your life go out go do something maybe you're too you're too in the studio you're writing too much which is a thing like yes you want to work the muscle and get good at it but at some point you got to put the weights down brother like you can't be in the gym every single day and expect the muscles that you've been tearing to get stronger to ever get stronger because you're still tearing them right so it's just it's one of those things that you might need to just take a real life break go through something and then come back and see what either production makes you feel or like i have just about every album there's a record from me that like was in my head first and i brought it to the producers uh on my newest album that state of the will and little mistakes like those weren't beats sent to me that's something i felt i put on my phone and i you know sent to them to get it made sometimes i'll do it completely acapella or whatever and just get the idea out but those songs don't come if i'm in the studio every single freaking day of my life right um i had to go through some of those things and really live my life so that's my my advice about it if you do feel you have writer's block like maybe you just haven't lived enough of your life yet to talk about something beyond what you've talked about like you just you overdone the season and uh you mentioned it in a previous portion of questions but just in case those are tuning into just this select portion of the interview i care to share the name of the title to the album that you're referencing these songs yeah so my album is called honeymoon mountain it released on may 22nd 2025 uh it is my favorite album of my whole discography it's a wonderful story of um i like to tell how i got to it which is my friend was um not in a good spot with his fiancee at the time and so he wanted to just kind of you know just have a good like a highlight real quick in the in the relationship so he takes her to disneyland and it's this imagery of going to this place to be happy people around you enjoy themselves being happy and you're with this person and you're not happy together and that's the person you want to be happy with he says they had a horrible time and my mind just exploded and it took me to kind of what became this album realizing we know what it's like when a relationship is just over you just end it um i've been around so much divorce i don't even want to go through the whole list right now but i've been around a lot of it and so and it's some of it it's necessary you know we know what it's like when it's over but what is it like when you feel that way with somebody but you do want to keep it you do want to hold on and so the album explore is that it starts off at the worst parts and we're trying to climb this mountain together um i just kind of use honeymoon mountain as a theme park almost like space mountain the ride at disneyland um but yeah yeah i wanted this visual of climbing a mountain with the one you love but also the ups and downs of like roller coasters and things of that sort so yeah it all works it all works together really well in the album and speaking of uh this particular project any plans for a deluxe i'm not deluxe is not in my contract so if they got deluxe money i don't mind a deluxe at all it might be like it could be like a one-year anniversary thing it could be a couple months down the line um but i don't like you know i don't like turning in work that wasn't paid for or or expected not that there won't be music for it because there will be music that is available in that manner but not as of this exact moment of this recording no but we'll see what happens because there's there's there's a lot that's going to be uh coming through have you done a deluxe previous to this no well i've attempted so i was going to do a remix album for if you don't have a deluxe you feel we were remixing not every song but a good maybe about half the album was getting remixed so there's some songs that are made that just never saw the light of day because so tunji who is now the ceo of dev jam he was my a r at rca so tunji got that job like during that time frame so then suddenly i had a new a r who i talked to once ever and i ended up only being able to speak to her uh assistant not that the assistant couldn't like do the work but we couldn't get things through to the person who's supposed to help make it happen right it's not the assistant's job to make it all happen you know so anyway it was really frustrating we couldn't get it done just because we couldn't reach our hand hard like what uh and then they kind of like hey you know tunji's gone we'll give you an opportunity do you want to like see what happens with uh with another single or do you want to walk and i'm like i'm gonna walk what do you mean see what happens what see what happens like that that's not very enticing at all plus we couldn't get anything to go through with the a and r you guys gave me so and i can't even throw that person on the bus because i don't remember their name like that's how little i talked to that a and r so yeah anyway we had the remix album which was basically the only thing that we were able to do with that album and we were able to do it with the original album and we were able to do it with the original album and we were able to do it with the original album now when it comes to your previous body's work on this discography zooming out uh never seen you do an additional installment or a volume to a previous title uh are there any plans to a volume two a two in any of your previous titles in your discography as far as albums and projects well you missed one uh hour spent loving you got moments spent loving you yeah that's the only one i've ever seen in my life i've never seen you do an additional installment or a volume to a that is the only one pardon the brain fog it's okay i like to i like to explore something else not that this is not cheap but it's really easy to get fans excited about a two of something that they already have proven to be excited about so if i say i've got the everlasting wave two coming out my fan base would get really really excited because of what that meant to them in that time i didn't to do that with, I did it with one song with "Afraid" part two, and when I went to studio not the goal i don't really like you said i don't really do that it just turned out that was where the story led and it made sense but in general i like to try to find what's new what's fresh what's a different approach um so that everything can kind of stand out to itself and not be they're going to be compared to each other but i didn't want them to be directly compared to each other in the sense of was one better than two like you know like we do in movies like i didn't want that comparison i needed it to be same actor different movie and you know different characters things like that so um the spent loving you series which technically is complete that has an opportunity to get a trilogy at some point um but we left it what was that six years ago now we left it at at moment spent loving you um but who knows you know that that might be the only one that continues as far as albums to get another installment you little bit more background history i know you mentioned san antonio and georgia and things that nature uh but just for uh clarification wise uh for those in the audience getting to know you here for the very first time yeah care to share where you were actually born monterey california and i've never seen it we moved one month later um the hospital i was born in fort ward hospital does not exist anymore so there's that but yes monterey i've been scheming to go back just for a birthday or something it never quite lines up but at some point i will go back to my birth city and just i know that it's beautiful just go enjoy it it's also expensive on airbnb so that's part of why i haven't been oh yeah too much going on but yeah monterey california and just military baby bounced around every three years after that and uh care to share where you reside these days i am in dallas texas and do you want to just give a uh chronological history of the different moves in your life buckle up buddy um so monterey california one month later we go to i feel like these are security questions monterey california one month later we go to colorado springs uh which obviously is in colorado three years after that we go to warner robbins georgia yes three years after that we go to misawa japan three years after that we go to waldorf maryland but my dad is stationed at the pentagon um like he's working at the pentagon he retires there after 20 years in the air force but we have so much like so many ties to georgia he got a job at the old church we were at we came back to georgia that was six years so actually i think i was in maryland for four years came to georgia for six after that that was like i'm trying to think right now it was like housing crisis 2008 all kind of stuff happened to where he needed a different job yeah he was a realtor doing that good god um uh he found a job in san antonio i wasn't gonna go but i couldn't find a job as a what now 20 year old in uh anywhere in warner robbins so then we go to san antonio which is how i got there the first time from late 2010 to 2014 i'm there and then i go back to georgia my sister had just got a divorce like i spoke about divorces earlier uh she was one of them but she just got a divorce um and it ended so crazy had no family out there around her so i went to go be family with her i was there from 14 to 18. uh at 18 i go to alexandria virginia to go marry my girlfriend who lived in dc at the time marry her uh the lord moves us to san antonio again i did not want to go back whatsoever but it was very clear uh so i go to san antonio 2019 it's been a pandemic there um we were pretty much released to move again in 2022 and i did so immediately we went up to dallas where a lot of her family was when we got there and they are not any more just us now with two kids because everybody hates us so that is kind of like the the story of the traveling bouncing across the map in the world of my life now when it comes to dallas circumstances could be different for everyone but can you give the audience five tips for anyone moving to dallas uh tip number one is don't we are closed the traffic is crazy um no so know what you're looking for like what kind of atmosphere you're looking for when you move there because when you move to dallas unless you really are moving to dallas proper like downtown you are probably going to live in greater dallas each area is completely different and has like they can be specific to what you might need so in kind of the kind of west southwest is way more family oriented and affordable but still really cool like grand prairie has all these super cool things epic central has an indoor water park and oh just all everything you want you got your andretti your main event all the restaurants everything you want the family focused uh is over there and if you're single and living it up you might want to go to greenville which is like just off of downtown if you're a rich family maybe you want to live in the north um over near grand scape or what is it frisco the colony freaking i don't know you're super rich highland park who knows but like each area i feel like offers something specific to maybe where you are in your life and you want to make sure that you're going there and not something that's like you know like you're not like you know like you're not like you know like you're not like you're not like you're not like you're not like you're not something that's like opposite to what you're really looking for just because the house was nice you know what i mean or the apartment was cool or affordable like stay out the east side stay out but yeah that's i guess that's kind of the main tip is like pick an area that matches your life matches the speed of your life what's the next tip tip two if you're a sports fan like me all the teams are all over the place they are not sensual um the like from where i am the mavericks are 23 minutes like east or something like that but the cowboys are 25 minutes west but the dallas wings and uh fc dallas are 40 minutes north they're all over the place they do have a team in everything which is really cool but none of those teams share anything well the stars and the mavericks share the arena but after that you're gonna have to go on world tour to go see some some of the events um when people here's another tip when people say dfw they ain't that close brother like they are near each other sure but i'm not in dallas proper and fort worth is 45 minutes from me um so they are still quite a distance from each other it's just a really you know if you join it all together it's a huge metroplex but don't go there thinking fort worth is like right over it's not like 30 minutes away at all uh two more what can i think of two more you got two more i don't know that i've been there long enough to have two more uh pretty much all the food is good that's a good tip pretty much i've enjoyed a majority of the food uh what's the last thing oh never go downtown during the fireworks it's a big parking lot the whole highway that's just a random one but that's it yeah fireworks is in july 4th yeah yeah it's it's a parking lot as a highway yeah i want to hone in on two things um it sounded like you were serious about the traffic and then you took it back so i don't know if you were joking or trolling there it's a thing it can it can definitely be a thing yeah what are those heavy traffic times to avoid if at all possible in dallas there's obviously rush hour but that's the thing about it it is so random you'd be like oh there shouldn't be any traffic right now and of course there's traffic right now like it that is the issue with me saying we're closed it's just there is no predicting what follow also follow the dallas texas tv page so somebody is on fire somewhere every day in their car i don't know if the person's on fire but their car definitely is every day it's insane and i don't know how it keeps happening something and someone is on fire on these roads get off the roads please anyway yeah that's it's insane and do you have a favorite food establishment i'm gonna say we've only been there a couple times i'm gonna say mike's chicken it's my favorite so far because they got biscuits and just be hitting biscuits the chicken is really good nice and crunchy you feel me the sides are cool too the mac and cheese ain't bad whatsoever it's really good i'm never gonna say no when somebody said let's go to mike's and before this interview ends is there anything else you were not asked followers fans or supporters want to know i don't know man get out my business Um, I'm not sure what they want to know, honestly. Um, I will say there was a cool conversation I had the other day. I did a, um, like a shoot in LA for a song that me and Jalen Josie have on my album called, uh, Painting of the Stars. It wasn't a music video. It was just like a live performance thing. Um, one of the people there asked me like, hey, how do you handle, um, being an artist and like, you know, you, you, you have your, your family at home and you leave and, you know, there's still women on the road and blah, blah, blah. And I was able to talk about how it's just, number one, it's not my personality to just talk to like random people that I don't actually know and like try to invite them in, but how the music that you make or the environment that you create around you are the people who tend to draw close. Right. So, you know, I'm saying this to say that. You can make your, whether it's your brand, your music or your life, you can make it how you want it to be by what you're putting out and what you accept, uh, what you, what you expect as well to receive, uh, and in return, you know, I think you'll start to see that, that life that you're trying to build will begin to happen. So, you know, I don't have rabid fans throwing panties at me on the stage because I don't necessarily put that energy out. That's what I'm looking for or, or that that's what the music calls for. Um, but you see the people that do in the music they make, right? Like it is, there's a correlation, not just in music, but in life, like I'm giving this off. And so this is what is now showing up in my life. So whatever it is, um, music, friends, friend groups, whatever it may be, I would tell people to put off the energy. And the lifestyle even that they, they want to be around, that they want to receive back. Uh, you can take, you know, what you perceive as my career to be a, uh, a true testament to that. Like we chill, everything over here is super chill. And that's because that's, that's how I am. And that's what I give up. Yeah. Speaking of, um, you know, followers, fans, supporters, things of that nature. What's been your favorite encounter with one of these people so far? Favorite. Um, people have a lot of really cool stories, whether it's meeting a partner at a concert. I've had like partners meet at a concert, which is really cool. I don't know how many of them are still together, but it's, that's like a really cool story. Uh, whenever that's shared or people that bonded over my music and eventually got married or played, you know, so much more or something like that at the wedding blind man. Um, I get those stories. Those are my favorite ones. Um, but I don't have like, honestly a super specific inner specific interaction. That's like, excuse me, that was the one that's like stood out above everybody. I have a negative one from, you know, just for the sake of a story back when I was still spazzy, actually. Um, I think I've, I think I quickly like figured out my life and ways to avoid this, but I was doing a show in San Jose and like 2015. And. Unfortunate. It was the friend of one of my friends. Like, I don't know this girl and she just got smack drunk at the show. And when they were like coming up to like, oh, good job, all that stuff. Like shorty grabbed my face and just licked the side of my face. That's disgusting, bro. Like, no, I've done. Pretty much all I can to make sure we're not in that situation again. Now that show was at a bar, like I'm getting my career together and then you're doing the venues that you can do now. We're none of that, none of that anymore. Even when I did, um, I think the one time I did meet and greets, it was before the show. Nobody's drunk, nothing's going on. You know, we got the proper security, all this stuff. Like I've, I've figured my life out since then. Uh, but yeah, that was the worst interaction. I'll never forget that. Um, but there hasn't, there's been. So many like good and nice interactions and stories, uh, that it really is like hard to pick out just one. Speaking of meet and greets, are you against them or it just hasn't had an opportunity to keep that going? I unfortunately end up almost always touring in the winter. And I say, unfortunately, because that's not what I'm trying to do, but like I like the winter, but I don't want to move around in it. Like I want to be home, um, and just, you know, get my fits off and put on my hoodie or whatever, but go in city. The city country to country in the winter is not what I'm trying to do. So when, when that's happening, like I'm just trying to not be sick so that I can, you know, give the best performance for each crowd. And sometimes it still doesn't work. I just, you know what? I didn't get enough rest or drink enough water, whatever it was. Um, sometimes it still doesn't work or I did everything I was supposed to. And my body was just like, yeah, we don't care. So I know that if I'm shaking 50 hands a night, or if I'm giving a bunch of hugs, it just heightens the possibility that I could get sick and not be able to perform for the next city because somehow, some way, all my tours have been in the winter. Um, I put it out in May, hoping to tour the late summer and it didn't work out that way. I'll see y'all in November, December. Uh, yeah. So that's why I don't, I haven't consistently done any kind of meet and greets. And wrapping up the question here about these, uh, fans, followers, and supporters or followers, fans, and supporters, I should say, what's the best way for one of these people to approach you? What are the rules, the etiquette, the guidelines, the do's or don't before someone approaches you in that manner? Obviously no licking. Oh my God. No licking, please. I will, I'll fight now. Look, I got a, a puncher bag in the garage. Like hands ain't, hands ain't slow, baby. I'll, I'll be boxing with my, uh, my weight vest on. Hands ain't slow. Um. But this could be someone new just getting into, uh, watching their favorite recording artist live and things of that nature happen to bump into you. Yeah. Or maybe someone's watching this haven't bumped into someone like yourself and in the event they do so, how should they conduct themselves? Is there any rhyme or reason on, on, on the guidelines there? I would say just be respectful as you would be with anyone else. Um, you know, I think in a lot of my situations. I'm typically with somebody. I'm not that often out by myself, um, just because I'm a homebody. So when I'm out, I was probably forced out. Uh, so whether I'm with my family, especially if I'm with my family or with you see somebody, um, with me and my team or something like that, just, you know, say my name, say hello, uh, say your name. Nobody ever tells me their name. They just freak out and say, can I get a picture? Like, tell me who you are. You know, I'll shake your hand. I'll take the photo. I'll talk to you. Like. All that stuff. I don't mind it. I really don't. Um, because more times than not, people will see you and wonder if it's you. And even if they figure out that it is, they'll just leave you alone. So when somebody does come up to me, I'm okay with it. As long as they do stay in that, the guideline of just, you know, be respectful, you know, be kind. Don't, don't call me a nickname. You don't know me like, please. Uh, yeah, just keep it chill. Keep it simple. Just wondering, cause, uh, sometimes you see headlines of, uh, celebrities, uh, acting up, uh, to, uh, you know, one of these people and, uh, just didn't know from your perspective, uh, you know, what is okay? What is not okay? Things of that nature. I don't, I don't get paparazzi or, or people being a little too much like that. So I don't have to tell anybody that it's not clocking to them. Um, yeah, it's, it's, it's cool. Like just, just be chill. What about that? Uh, odd moment one catches you, uh, publicly eating like at a restaurant atmosphere or things of that nature. What's the, uh, guidelines there. That has happened a lot. Um, that happened a lot when I was in Maryland for the one year, every time me and Kristin went out, um, we got stopped either during or after. So, um, people are respectful. We may be eating and then they'll like, maybe they're on their way out. So they want to say something. I get that. They're not just trying to interrupt me cause I'm eating. Uh, so in that case, if you do see I'm actively eating and you're on your way out, just speak to me, just speak and say it. Say your piece, you're not asking me to get up if you don't have to. Like I'm with, if I'm by myself, that's fine, whatever. I'll get back to it. But like I'm with somebody, this is not the life that they are trying to live. It's just what comes with my life. Um, so yeah, just speak to me and you know, we'll have our pleasantries if I'm not seated yet, or you see me out walking or whatever, then we can do the whole, like stop and talk, take the pictures, blah, blah, blah, blah. At a restaurant. If I'm seated, especially. With that food, please, please leave me alone. Well, talk to me, but don't try to make me take a picture. I'm eating, bro. Please. And, uh, speaking of your wife, you mentioned her here. Where is she at while we're conducting this interview? She at home with them babies. Uh, we are both stay at home parents. So I like to say I'm a stay at home dad that gets to make music. Um, yeah, they are the whole day. We have a three year old as of now, a three year old and a 10. 10 month old. And they are, they are the entire day. They sleep on different schedules right now. because the baby is still doing two naps a day. So we very rarely land them sleeping at the same time. And even if they are, one's going to sleep, the other's getting up. So she is a trooper handling the business. And, yeah, I got a very early flight to make sure that I get back to help tomorrow. And how are things going to work when you embark on this upcoming tour of the USA and Europe, it looks like? I call them the Avengers. Like, Mom, what are you doing? Let's get you up on a plane. Her friends who are willing, who are at home, and they can come help. Her sister is in New York, but she's able to come and help. So we've pretty much been able to pull people either for a week or at least a few days out of the week, which even that helps. If I can get somebody to be there for three days, that's much better than her having to do. All seven herself, you know? So we just reach out and figure out what can be done in different time frames. Yeah, even for, like, Thanksgiving and all that, which I'll miss Thanksgiving and my daughter's fourth birthday this year. But she'll have family that's going to be there to help them as well. I'll see them at my D.C. show because they come to the D.C. show every year. So I'm not going to be all too long without them. It'll still be a month. But I won't be all too. I won't be all too long without them. But the family has come down. We'll also go with her to D.C. So, like, we've already put the measures in place to, like, make sure that all my girls are taken care of. And this is the tour titled The Same as the Album. Yes. For those in the audience just hearing about this for the first time, where can they get more information about it, tickets, so on and so forth? XavierOmar.com. It's the Honeymoon Mountain Tour. I am doing, I think, 13 dates. I'm doing 13 dates in Europe and nine in the U.S. So if I'm not in your city, please find a city that's close. I tried to go as many places as I possibly could that made sense, that the offer made sense, the deal made sense to do. So, yeah, just come on out. The live show aspect, I think when you hear it, you see the emotion behind it. You hear the band with it. It's always just elevated. So come on out to the show. Will you be behind any of the drumming? Of your music? Not this time. I've done it on tour before, though. I had a moment where me and the band switched. What tour was that? I want to say it was 2019. So it was the Hot Hobby Tour. That's what it was. After Moments of Loving You came out, I had a part in the set where me and my drummer would switch. So I take the drums. He takes the mic, the lead mic. The band comes up off the instruments, and we prerecorded instrumentation for Can You Stand the Rain? And they had, like, choreo. It was a good moment. Because they have, like, my band has fans. These girls, these boys single. Some of these boys single. Like, the girls love them. And so it was just a cool moment to do something like that. And if I didn't already do the trick, I would do it much more often or figure out a spot to do it again. Because it was one of my favorite things. So I've done it before. And I've got to figure it out. I've got to figure out a way to do it again. Yeah. And just with this conversation as we wrap up, is there anything else you want to add on to what you've said previously here or subtract from what you've said? Nah, I'm good with all I've said. I don't, yeah, I don't see any issues or have a problem with anything I've said in any manner. So, yeah, if you've got a problem, come fight. You're going to lose. Any last words before you depart here? Now, whoever has been watching, especially to this point, thank you. Thank you for taking the time to watch. This is a really cool experience. Just having a chance to go back down memory lane and remember my why and be able to share that with your viewers as well. So thank you. And, yeah, hoping the best for everybody watching. And I'll see you guys in the next episode. Bye. Bye. Bye.