WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Nigel Farage SPEAKS OUT

We were going to talk about the by-election, but tragically, that has been overshadowed by events, particularly the murder of Anne Widdicombe. What is your reaction to that? The two are linked. The two are directly linked. I will need, I'm afraid, given the way the world is now, to have protection until the end of my days. And frankly, Anne Widdicombe's death is five million quite good reasons. I think there are two questions. They genuinely are worth asking. Number one is this five million pound gift, and the other question is the Posh George thing. He was convicted of wire fraud in the US. Well, hang on, Louise Hay is a convicted fraudster about to go in Andy Burnham's cabinet. The police followed up in the spring of 2025. Why is it now a story? The reality is, though, that this by-election hasn't, it hasn't gone to plan, has it? Nigel, welcome back. Thank you for having me on the show. Thank you. Originally, when we first booked to do this interview, we were going to talk about the by-election, your resignation, the challenges both you and Reform are facing. But tragically, that has been overshadowed by events in the previous week, particularly the murder of Anne Widdicombe. The two are linked. The full-scale attack on Reform, which has really gone into gear since May the 7th. Why May the 7th? We've had a set of elections across the UK. We wipe out the Conservatives in East Anglia. Unbelievable. We take out Labour in the north of England, the Midlands. We make breakthroughs, big breakthroughs, in Scotland and in Wales. And ever since that moment, the attacks on the party have been unrelenting. And really, what's happening, whether it's the press, whether it's Ed Davey, whether it's other frontbenchers, is, you know, we are extremists, racists, the most dangerous threat to Britain. We're more dangerous than Putin as a threat to Britain. We're all criminals. I mean, we're all criminals. You know, Thais, post-George, me, we should all be in prison. And this is the narrative that has been going out unendingly. And I've been in this game a long time. You know, I'm used to the rough and tumble of political debate. And that's fine. Actually, to some extent, that's what democracy is. You know, we have a pop at each other and let Joe public. Make up their minds who they believe. But when it comes to stuff being published in mainstream national newspapers, there's just not true, just simply not true or exaggerated beyond belief. What are you talking about? That's not true. And one little example is posh. George paid for all the computers in the reform office and did not. That was not declared in our donations. Well, the answer is he didn't. So you tell The Sunday Times again and again and again, he didn't. They publish it and then The Times daily editorial writes in its editorial. These are the serious questions about just just not just not true. And how how are you connecting this to the murder? And if you do, you know something that we don't about that murder. If you demonize, if you demonize people because I don't know, in Anne's case, they don't believe in gay marriage or they have strict views on abortion or they believe in immigration, strict immigration controls. If you absolutely dehumanize people like this, is it surprising that living out there in the subculture of those who spend their lives online and struggle to get on with other people, that this doesn't engender a form of hate? And I mean, clearly, Anne's murder is a very, very deeply upsetting thing. And I've noticed, I mean, just interesting going around the doors here in Clacton, people are really, really hit by it. Just good ordinary folk are really hit by this. I can't think of anybody more famous that's been murdered for decades and decades. So there is a direct link between the two. That was no question. And it was so interesting to see the police, Devon and Cornwall police, or should we just call them what they are? Plot. Absolute waste of space. I think they're still looking for somebody that could have committed the burglary. I mean, they were so wrong about everything. Obvious to me right from the first minute, this was politically. Motivated, premeditated assassination of a political figure. And I would argue back to your question directly downstream of the kind of campaign that is being waged against the entire reform agenda by many online in mainstream media and in the House of Commons every single week. And, you know, it's not that I'm afraid of criticism, but I mean, if we sought to demonize Diane Hubbard. Or someone like that. I mean, we'd be made out to be the worst people in the world. I mean, can you imagine if the murderer was a reform party member? Well, I mean, we'd be closed down. We wouldn't even exist. And it's why when people say to me and commentators write, oh, well, Nigel Farage, you know, you know, he's obviously losing his mind because he's getting angry with journalists. Yeah, I am. I'm getting really angry with journalists. Particularly Times journalists who choose to publish photographs of where my daughter lives. You know, she's not she's not a public figure. There is no public interest in this at all. And I see what happened to Anne five days after after that program, and I begin to get very scared about things. So. So I called this by election before. And murder. But I called this by election because just the daily assault, the being found guilty. In the media. And in politics every single day. Without any means, effectively, I began to come back at it and left the party in a state of paralysis. And I saw this by election as a fight back against that. And to say, right, you be my judge. You the people. If you think I'm a crook and a wrong and get rid of me in this election. But if you don't think that and if you think the mainstream media are out of touch, then vote for me. I'm going to vote for what is now August 13. Because it seems to me and we're going to touch on the by election. We're just coming back to Anne's murder very briefly. This does seem like a watershed moment in British politics. We obviously had the murder of Sir David Amess and Joe Cox before that. But this is potentially and I use the word potentially the first act of left wing terrorism. That certainly I can remember in this country. Maybe ever. Yes. The guy that killed Joe Cox was sort of a nationalist nut job. The murder of David Amess was an Islamist, clear Islamist murder. We're not used to the concept in recent times at all of left wing terrorism, but it's pretty pretty clearly what it is. But you know, Adam Bolt, Peter Tatchell. He was one of the other well known figures in the wake of Anne's murder. Just saying the most beastly things about her. I mean, the old rule is if you can't say nice things about the dead, say nothing, which I think generally is actually quite a good rule. And yet they say believe in their own righteous virtue, but they feel allowed to do these things. And I do not know of a single significant conservative commentator. Small c. Who would ever say anything approaching that on the death of a senior left wing public figure. If Jeremy Corbyn died, I'd say, well, I didn't agree with him, but you know what the man believed in what he believed in and fought for it for decades. So there is a very big difference here to how the right thing can speak about the left and how the left, including public figures now think and speak about the right. And I think there will be a major. Reappraisal of all of this in the wake of ads, but well, I hope so because I've been talking about this for a very long time. I think particularly in the post Charlie Kirk world, I just don't think. And you look at the facts of this, the Gen Z are seven times more likely to believe than people of your generation. The political violence is sometimes justified. I don't think people understand the world we're living in. And I'm quite relieved, actually, that it seems like both Shabana Mahmood, the Home Secretary, and Andy Burnham are starting to take. This more seriously. And it comes back to some, you know, you mentioned the constant attacks and questions about reform. And I think I think it's undoubtedly the case that a lot of that has been really unfair and completely out of proportion to the questions that have been raised. Some of that I think we do need to talk about and we will. But you know, the security situation speaks to the point you made about the gift you were given that there's been a lot of questions about. Yeah. I mean, in the back of the envelope calculation, how much it might cost to have a five man security team 24 hour, you're looking at millions of pounds a year, potentially, right? Just to keep a person safe. And as we're recording this, this will go out a couple of days after. But as we're recording this, a news story is breaking about a man who's been arrested for threatening to kill you. And The Times, I think it is The Times, The Hated Times, nonetheless reported that you've received more than 500 death threats in recent times. I mean, this is very serious. Oh, it's serious, all right. it's been serious in my case since 2013 but no one cared no one care no one care you know begging home secretaries to provide some some form of intelligence support and physical support home secretary after home secretary we asked knowledge knowledge but now it's not just me now it's a whole group of political leaders within reform um several of whom are now well-known public figures um and now they are beginning in the wake of anne's murder to take this seriously so this morning somebody has been arrested for a series of social media posts in which he says he wants to shoot me in the head all right let me let me tell you we have reported to the met in the past whole lists of similar threats made against me which we were told did not meet the threshold did not meet the threshold and yet when lucy connolly puts out an intemperate tweet and then removes it four hours later she ends up going to prison so the approach to all of this you know gets to the roots of two-tier policing two-tier justice two-tier attitudes towards the way that we look at things maybe maybe after the horrific and deeply upsetting murder of anne maybe something good will come of it maybe the police in this country will start to take threats republican political figures equally regardless of their opinions on which side of the spectrum they're on so i'm pleased the police have arrested one um if they do another 300 in the next week i'll have real confidence a few weeks ago we pointed you toward hillsdale's free course on the odyssey the course has been so popular that when they told us they'd built a follow-up course on homer's iliad we wanted you to hear about it first hillsdale college's new free online course is taught by professor stephen smith it's not a highlight reel and it's not homer for beginners it's a proper walk through the text honor courage leadership friendship sacrifice and what it means to live a noble life you come away understanding why achilles 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know after may the seventh that actually by the ballot box our support is there and it's solid so suddenly the reputation try and drag reform down in the polls put them in an impossible position get rid of nigel and it'll all be okay that's what's going on perfectly clear to me the level of coordination is astonishing and the leaks of information from the national crime agency are just astonishing they're the ins and outs of bank payments of all the senior figures in reform and it's made out ah it went to a national crime agency because they're clearly being looked at because they're suspect dudes or funded by the kremlin or whatever theory is is doing the rounds at that time fact is that our anti-money laundering regulations are so insane something that i exposed when i fought the banks back in 2023 but 800 000 bank transactions a year get get reported to the national crime agency if you received an unusual payment in your account tomorrow you know i don't know a gift from a family member or whatever in in into your bank account that would get referred to the ncaa and then from the ncaa all this stuff gets leaked to the press and i find that pretty pretty unacceptable as well it is uh and i think you've like i said i think you've received a lot of very unfair criticism but i i do think there's a couple of it we both think there's a couple of issues where the leak point i totally accept by the way and it's something that troubles me and dominic cummings did warn you he did say they will break the law they will do whatever they can i hate to sit here and say cummings was right you know but actually the warning he gave was a very good one and they he said they'll break the law and do whatever however i think there are two questions that genuinely are worth asking number one is this five million pound gift personally i don't give a about people who give money to other people it's not something that particularly interests me but what i think is of interest to the public is were there any strings attached is your pushing of crypto with the bank of england connected with that gift um that is one question and the other question is the posh george thing which is this is a friend of yours who gave money to both you and reform gave in kind things to both you and reform uh he was convicted of wire fraud in the u.s well louise hay is a convicted fraudster about to go in andy burnham's cabinet but does every bbc news report say convicted frauds in louise hay does it say convicted frauds in louise hay do they help it does not let's deal with it it's a fair question it's a fair question we've always treated you fairly let's do it no no no but i'm just making the point george as a young man got into trouble in america if you are involved in tax avoidance schemes it is very easy in america to get into very very big trouble so he has a conviction maybe that conviction will be pardoned one day i don't know that conviction is spent there used to be a thing in britain called the rehabilitation of offenders act 1974. it meant that people actually once they'd done their time were forgiven and given a second chance in life he was 20 21 at the time this happened he went to prison in america and he came back and everyone said to me oh you must never see him again he was never speak to him again well i don't do that don't you know i don't believe in christian forgiveness i think it's part of what we are as a community as a society there are many many people who you know fell off the rails as young men or women who have gone on to achieve great things in life for themselves and their communities so that's the first point i want to make i've stood loyally with george because i think he deserves a second chance he is of course an enormously colorful character you know and and i mean great press all the that the girlfriends he's had and the things he's done and and all of it you know he's a very colorful character and you know hesketh's his uncle a formula one and mandated the man that's now the king and so of course there are great reasons why he's a person of interest um but you know the idea that in 2023 and 2024 when i was out of politics that i perched in an office in one of his london homes and that he helped me with a camera crew so that i could go out into the english channel remember and film the boats and advertise what was going on and try and give a warning to the nation you know at that period of my life from 2021 to the 3rd of may july june 2024 i was a broadcaster i was someone that appeared on celebrity tv programs right i was somebody that promoted some financial market products but i was an influencer you know i had a considerable even then over 5 million social media following and i was doing so the fact that george you know did me a favor with those things is not a matter of public interest or record it's irrelevant i wasn't in politics it is literally no one's business it is totally undeclareable in every single way and what they've written and said about since i came back on the 3rd of june i've taken nothing from him since the third of june and he hasn't given money to the party or any of these things and the idea that his donation or his mother's donation this was reported to the ncaa in september 2024 the police followed up in the spring of 2025 and the ncaa and the ncaa is now a story it's now a story because everything is being coordinated together to try and knock us out of the game and that's why i'm fighting this by election i'm fighting this by election because i'm saying let the people decide now on the other issues that you can we just pause on the post george thing very quickly so just to be clear because this is different to my understanding but i'm happy to be corrected he hasn't given any money to you since you came back into politics or any in kind things and not nor to the party so this is all Related to the period when you won in politics. 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Number one Christopher Harbour is an immensely successful man We all say crypto, but actually That is butter part of what this guy does that there were some things that are known in public such as His big stake that he holds in kinetic the defense technology company I Think he probably owns the biggest jet refueling operation in the world Plus his crypto investments and things. He's in buzzer. There's some of the things that he does, but he doesn't much much more than that He's my age Went to school about three miles down the road from me not dissimilar backgrounds, you know, he was a city Trader as I was in the early years and we have similar backgrounds. The difference is He's saying so he stayed in business And I'm loopy To do politics and become a member of the European Parliament Christopher was politically around he was politically radicalized by the Maastricht Treaty I know that's your generation This is ancient history, but some of us this was the moment when the Free Trade Club we joined Went from being an European economic community to a European community to a European Union with a flag and an anthem and for many of us that was it So so we both became completely radicalized and exactly that same period in time He's obviously someone I know as a friend and know very very well He gave me this gift Asked for it He'd given Boris a gift by the way a couple of years before. Mm-hmm. It doesn't get talked about does it how much was it for? Just a room in it. I do Wow. Yeah, that's pretty good money as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so he gave me a gift a gift Hey, you know what? It's like winning the lottery I'm it's a very serious sum of money And it's almost a sum of money it was caused the controversy as a Anything else until you start to think through what the implications of having security are So he gave me this big gift and I have a legal document it is unconditional I Can do what I like with it. I can spend it on the horses. I can go and buy a Ferrari I'm at I can do what I like with it. There's an unconditional gift, but on the understanding That I will need I'm afraid given the way the world is looking at it Given the way the world is now to have protection until the end of my days and That there are others close to me We'll need do need now a degree of protection so it's unconditional gift but for me that money is there to Look after me until I die so there is a and frankly and When it comes death is five million quite good reasons Perhaps in hindsight what he gave me that gift now Have I broken the law no Have I broken tax law? No Have I fiddled my expenses? No, have I misused public money? No By the way, my personal MP expenses for the last two years are Zero claim nothing. I don't need to I've got outside income. I'm really well off. I don't need to unnecessarily take money off The state what is my crime? What is my sin? or my sin is that the rules of procedure Or parliamentary standards We put by the way state explicitly That these rules are to cover your conduct in public life Not in your private life Say that any political donations that you've received in the preceding year Have to be declared. Okay So I get elected on July 4th And I've got to go in and Meet the people You deal with outside income, etc. I mean within 10 minutes. I'm Terry Meharry So you're telling me I have to record all my gross income including VAT, but without the cost of running the company. Yeah, I mean The Commons is not designed for anybody in business If I say to anybody if you've got a if you've got a business forget it I mean the whole thing is impossible. So you're declaring all your gross income not your net income, etc But of course this issue came up. So what did I do? I went to a top international lawyer. I said look you tell me what? You tell me what? Is this something I should declare or not? His advice to me was no This gift is unconditional. It's not political. It's not related to political campaigning. It's not related to Building political offices. It's not related to employing staff or political campaigning or any of these things You do not need to declare it, which is why I didn't declare it. Okay Then what happens? I'm not frankly I didn't think I'd ever hear any more about it until the NCA Leak it To the Guardian they publish it was a huge Ferrari. So the question is how will standards find? You know a a committee with four Labour MPs One Liberal Democrat. You couldn't make this up really and one conservative. I know that the problem is They can make it. I mean, you know, they can make a decision But I believe if they're objective they'll say unusual a large sum of money But frankly within the rules or they can be subjective and try my life very difficult the question that Will be on people's minds and I think you're right that the the amount is so significant that it's you know To the ordinary person who owns 30 grand a year. It's a sum of money. That's unimaginable. I get that is what is This guy buying by giving it to you that that's what people will think. Okay Nobody can buy me Nobody can bully me. Nobody can tell me what to say. You want some evidence of that Elon Musk Elon Musk he was holding out offers Potentially of very large sums of money not for me but for the party But he asked me to do a series of things and say a series of what happened with Elon by the way Why did you fall out because he wanted me to come out publicly? And support Tommy Robinson And I said I can't do that. I said, you know, he wouldn't really come out and Talk about deportations of Illegals before we had a plan Yeah When you're beginning, you know an agitator you can say let's deport the world Great for clicks if you're if you're a political party leading the opinion polls for 350 consecutive opinion polls in a row You're gonna make big statements like this. You need to show you've done some maths some homework and thought it through Now we did in fact in the end a few months after the fallout with musk Published operation restoring justice was the use of at the head of it Which actually showed what the command structure would be and how this would operate with the aim of deporting up to 600,000 people who've entered Britain illegally But you know, I could have just done what you don't want Right, I could have just said what he wanted. No problem. We'd have taken the money everything would have been lovely but i can't but the point i'm making is you can't tell me what to do or say christopher in return wants nothing from me other than me to be secure and safe and not to have to worry about money and i don't now ever have to worry about money as long as i live now i'm not going to be fearful can i afford a driver yeah when i'm 84 if i get there you know and long left public life but because of the because of the online world nothing will die anymore will it in terms of stories yeah do you know what i mean kind of you know ex-politicians ex-footballers 20 years on could walk down the street no one knew who they were but because of the online world you know those of us that have been seen to be controversial will have to live with that forever so i'm enormous by the way i'm enormously grateful to him for doing this it takes such a weight off my mind between 2021 and 2024 i was paying for all my insecurity during that i mean it's cost me a fortune now i had much lower level of security because my profile was down but it's still very very expensive indeed and yes he's made money in crypto you're absolutely right and yes i've been an advocate for crypto since 2019 this isn't going away it's not going away i firmly believe it's not going away the price may be wildly volatile and it is but in terms of usage just go to miami if you want to know what it's like to be an advocate for crypto just go to miami it's not going away it's not going away it's all bitcoin it's all bitcoins a dollar so you take out a fraction of a bitcoin onto your card you pay in starbucks you pay the hotel bill you buy a new car yeah this stuff now actually is having usage around the world and the worse and worse the banks behave the worse and worse they behave the more debanking whether it's for political reasons or it's for anti-money laundering reasons uh goes on the more attractive bitcoin becomes as a means of exchange and you know you and i want to do a transaction we can do it together in bitcoin you know we're both big boys we're grown-ups so i've long believed in it and what upsets me is you know i come from a long line of people who worked in the city of london worked in financial markets the reason that london always did well wasn't because people wore bowler hats and it looked traditional and wonderful lovely though all that was it was because it was it was a place of innovation london was always the first with new financial products with new financial markets that's why we're world leaders at so many things and this whole space this whole space of crypto uh you know of stable coins the means where money passes in and out of of traditional currencies and threw into crypto and back uh which is by the way fast um don't have the huge charges you have for many other forms of financial transaction and no wonder it's booming uh you know backed by blockchain the way that it is it always seemed to me this was the perfect space for london to become a global center because there is demand for this stuff all over the world and as it stands today we do not have an exchange traded regulated crypto product of any kind at all people think oh nigel's arguing for the wild west no i'm arguing for a regulated crypto market it's the wild west now now you can buy bitcoin or ethereum you know online from a provider that goes out of business you've got no protection of any kind at all they're not regulated uh i mean all sorts of terrible scams have happened in this space what i'm arguing for is a regulated market what i'm arguing for is is that this is here to stay it's a big thing of the future we should be in the vanguard we should be in the lead and despite the fact we haven't got these things already seven million seven million british people have digital assets of some kind and when i swear to see the government of the bank of england wow we disagreed about everything in a very lovely man don't 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well if that was true they'd fancy their chances here wouldn't they yeah because they could publicly take me on they could raise the questions that you've raised with me in our discussion today they could prove me wrong or think they could prove me wrong i don't they would um and they could win this seat and then reform would be seriously damaged so why aren't they standing they could win this seat and then reform would be seriously damaged so why aren't they standing they could win this seat and then reform would be seriously damaged so why aren't they standing they could win this seat and then reform would be seriously damaged so why aren't they standing they could win this seat and then reform would be seriously damaged so why aren't they standing why aren't they standing they could win this seat and then reform would be seriously damaged so why aren't they standing because they know they get wiped they could win this seat and then reform would be seriously damaged so why aren't they standing because they know they get wiped because they know they get wiped they know the despite 30 000 votes they know the despite 30 000 votes they know the despite 30 000 votes seven years ago they know they would not seven years ago they know they would not seven years ago they know they would not beat me and that's why they're not beat me and that's why they're not beat me and that's why they're not standing and the level of collusion between standing and the level of collusion between standing and the level of collusion between restore the taurus is astonishing restore the taurus is astonishing restore the taurus is astonishing sort of mirror statements from kemian sort of mirror statements from kemian sort of mirror statements from kemian rupert like rupert like rupert like um and labor new leader um and labor new leader um and labor new leader doesn't want to lead a party that's doesn't want to lead a party that's doesn't want to lead a party that's going to lose its deposit because the going to lose its deposit because the going to lose its deposit because the makerfield message is we can beat makerfield message is we can beat makerfield message is we can beat reform um so yeah i'm disappointed reform um so yeah i'm disappointed reform um so yeah i'm disappointed i'm disappointed uh it would be more i'm disappointed uh it would be more i'm disappointed uh it would be more exciting as a contest if there were exciting as a contest if there were exciting as a contest if there were jeopardy but jeopardy but jeopardy but it's still a real election it's still a real election it's still a real election how is it how is it how is it that josh simons that josh simons that josh simons volunteering to stand aside in volunteering to stand aside in volunteering to stand aside in makerfield makerfield makerfield is a legitimate by-election is a legitimate by-election is a legitimate by-election and me saying to the people with this and me saying to the people with this and me saying to the people with this constituency do you think i'm a crook or constituency do you think i'm a crook or constituency do you think i'm a crook or not ism is extraordinary not ism is extraordinary not ism is extraordinary and for them not to stand frankly i and for them not to stand frankly i and for them not to stand frankly i think i just think they're showing think i just think they're showing think i just think they're showing contempt for the electorate contempt for the electorate contempt for the electorate so i'd rather there was jeopardy i'd so i'd rather there was jeopardy i'd so i'd rather there was jeopardy i'd rather there was a big challenger it rather there was a big challenger it rather there was a big challenger it would be a lot more exciting if there would be a lot more exciting if there would be a lot more exciting if there was but it is what it is and i will was but it is what it is and i will was but it is what it is and i will campaign in this by election again to campaign in this by election again to campaign in this by election again to get as bigger endorsement as i possibly get as bigger endorsement as i possibly get as bigger endorsement as i possibly can because the worry is it's well the can because the worry is it's well the can because the worry is it's well the two candidates are you and a joke two candidates are you and a joke two candidates are you and a joke candidate let's be fair about that it candidate let's be fair about that it candidate let's be fair about that it must be must be must be it's not particularly edifying that every it's not particularly edifying that every it's not particularly edifying that every time your name gets mentioned in time your name gets mentioned in time your name gets mentioned in reference to the by-election The comedy characters then reference at the same time. Well, that's why they've done it. That's what they've done it, but I think it reflects more on them than it does on me And I was actually looking at I mean that there's a lot of the commentary talking about it Like it's like a you know count Ben faces a real chance of winning I mean, I looked at a book Calci odds. It's like not 90 odd percent that you know, it's not a serious It's becoming not a serious thing. What if anybody on 10% the BIM face wants to play some money? I'm quite happy to lay all of it Probably illegal Yeah It is ridiculous. And I'd also say I mean, yeah, it does show a level of content So what they're trying to do by doing this they're trying to make the number of votes I get be as low as possible and the problem I've got Is on the doorstep people say what knives we love you, but you know, you're gonna walk it on you You're gonna walk it. So without that jeopardy it makes it harder for me to get the votes out I get that I understand that I can see their cynicism and why they've done it but look All you can do is your best and by the way, I have stood in the past Against the original great screaming Lord such I've stood against the pub landlord and now been faith So I've got the full These candidates and by the way in face Isn't really just a cut me. He's a left-wing BBC comedy writer who's anti-brexit. So there's a bit more politics there. I'll nail Well, it BBC sir. Yeah, look I'd rather it wasn't that way I agree with you Do you know what I found quite interesting is when I looked at everybody pulling out I was like, okay I understand the tactics when the greens didn't run. I was like boys girls, whatever you want. I whatever you Controversial But I was like guys like this would be the moment Yeah, you could because what you could do is you could garner not the pro-green vote, which let's be fair It's a small minority passionate though They may be you can market it as the anti Farage vote And there's a you know, there's an outside chance. You could win or certainly do some damage here Yeah, I'm the Greens to behaving like the uniparty Behaving like the uniparty. It's quite astonishing. I agree with you I think if the Greens have put a big run into this they could have got a big score and Nigel you mentioned that you've been leading the polls and have been again. I was like I was saying I was looking at Kelsey I mean the the you guys have been Predicted to win the next election and you've been leading that until about three weeks ago Which point labor took over in the cow shields I was looking at and it stayed relatively close It's I think 37 versus 34 percent. What do you attribute that flip to and do you think that will continue? We'll start McGarvey. He's obviously a plus. I Mean, you know roll out the barrel Party Yeah, people like things that are new to Andy Andy Coming in is new That was attractive and and and of course the timing of him coming in and that's coming out of the kosh you know, I mean And the attempts to push Tammy and all the rest of it. I'm not overly worried about well, I we worried about it. I think the Fundamental problems that the country faces are not ones. He's not ones that he's gonna be able to turn around and I think His early speeches and statements are just well vacuous vacuous as if devolution of itself is going to improve things and it can make things worse for all I know And I think the center of gravity of the parliamentary Labour Party has now gone so far left of what we thought we were getting back in July 24 and I think there was a major financial fiscal crisis Coming I've said it since 2024. I've predicted since 2024 that the election would not go all the way to 29 And just look at the numbers You know the five-year projecting borrowing figures for this government are two years in out by 80% It's just astonishing I Mean they're gonna have to find 120 billion quite quickly And it would seem they're not willing To cut benefits in any way at all which means higher taxes and We've reached the point on taxes Where higher taxes mean lower revenues not higher revenues you get to that tipping point The laughter curve. Yeah, we're increasing tax. It just starts to actually go the other way. And so I'm fearful, you know, and it isn't just It isn't just the non-doms and then and the wealthy leaving Britain. I mean, I mean the Tories started that Jeremy Hunt started that My real worry isn't isn't that the number of young people leave? Talented, you know, I'm talking sort of late 20s to late 30s People who perhaps have found their way in life or in their industry. I mean, you know what? I want to have a guy I want to go on my own build my own business Well, tell you what Australia is much more attractive America is much more attractive and many parts of the world that are far more attractive right now than staying here So I see this exodus of talent, which really depresses me. I can't see burn and reversing any of that either So I think we're headed for a major major financial crunch. I don't think it's very far away So so look am I worried? You know, you have good times and bad times in policies. We've had a remarkable run. We have had a remarkable run for a couple of years But there is a baseline of support out there that is still incredibly firm for us that is not going away And I think as a party, you know over the course of this year We built out with spokeswomen and spokesmen in different areas new leaders in Scotland and Wales I've been doing everything I can to stop it being a one-man band as CEO of an organization with a big budget most of my life for the last 18 months has been spent in the office in London not in Parliament not out campaigning but acting as CEO To make sure we're building departments that really work and I can see that that's actually coming to fruition in many many ways And I think our basic our basic slogan That Britain is broken. I But Britain is broken Britain needs reform. I Yeah, that hasn't gone away. I still believe that's enormously powerful and I don't think You can even begin To prescribe the right medicine for the country until you're actually prepared to accept. I will the patient is And I think the Conservatives and Labour Party are both in denial Over this they both say Britain isn't broken. We've got our problems. No, no, it's fundamentally broke Nothing works at any level. I think we're there We're not going to move from that position our job Our job is to fully roll out a program ahead of the next general election that shows how it can be turned around Explains to people that it won't be easy That gives them the hope and belief that it can be done that we get that right We'll win the next election If you aren't gold you probably bought it for the same reason I did because you looked at what central banks are doing to currencies and decided you wanted something They can't print good reasoning, but here's the thing. Nobody talks about after you make that decision. 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See how your gold can stop costing you money and start earning you more gold That's monetary - metals comm slash trigonometry The concern must be though Nigel is that Andy Burnham is gonna come in and He's a better politician than Starmer. He's more charismatic. He sounds better. He wears t-shirt He wears t-shirts. He likes the stone roses who doesn't like the stone roses But the problem must be the the worry must be is that he has no mandate to rule so he comes in and In many ways is in his best interest to trigger a general election immediately because the more he speaks the more he's gonna piss Off certain elements of his party in the country in general I mean, he's already come out and said, you know the way that the Labour Party handled the Gaza situation was bad Oh, yes, that's right. He's already He's already kowtowing to the Palestinian activists So that being the case isn't it in his interest to trigger a general election ASAP? Yes issue you would have thought so Do you want him to interesting isn't it interesting, isn't it just before I come back to that here we are in Essex because the ruling conservatives Tried to stop the County Council elections going ahead for two years in a row They were only fought this year because of the court action that we at reform took burnham's best chance would be in the relatively early months but you know what you're a career politician and he really is a career politician this has been the whole of his life he doesn't have you know other business interests or other careers he could pursue not from what i can see anyway you wait your whole life to become prime minister you gamble it all and risk being a pm for less fewer days than liz trust i just think that's where the human nature bit kicks in you know i i rationally you're right it sort of almost won't get better than it is but i don't think you'll do it i don't think you do it a little like gordon brown didn't do it in 2008 and regressed that he didn't i just cannot see him doing it that could be wrong but that's just my feeling nigel do you worry about all these questions are do i worry i mean do i look like somebody he's worrying all the time well i wasn't gonna ask you about you actually but the state of the country in the sense of what you're talking about because you talk about the coming financial the fiscal crisis which we've had plenty of guests on the show to talk about why that's coming and i do agree with you it's inevitable um and we've talked about violent extremism but what we haven't talked about is that when things are bad economically extremism in general tends to rise and you've seen now with the rise of restore to the right of you and also on the far left now fairly extreme voices becoming prominent and i think it's a testament to the state of the country is that something that that you know you think about i'm worried about the rise of extremism yes also acutely worried about societal breakdown yeah i've just before i came to sit down see you chaps today i've just been to a local business half 11 last friday five people broke in started stealing stuff they were disturbed they went away cops came cops left the five came back to take more stuff the cops then didn't return too busy but these five people were outed on a local facebook group so we know the identities of the five of them they then returned the cash that had been stolen and the police have decided not to charge them i worry about societal breakdown i worry i was with somebody else this morning who said he was in bristol at the weekend i saw a bloke in a supermarket with a rucksack filling it up with 40 quid bottles of gin we're still detectives saying don't do that i just call you walk out of the shop i worry about the societal breakdown the lack of sense of community the the the way that lawlessness is just it is expanding in the most extraordinary way i worry about that too i really i genuinely do nigel i want to get a few questions in from our supporters so yeah before we head over to that the last question as you know is always the same what's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be before nigel answers a final question at the end of the interview make sure to head over to our sub stack the link is in the description where you'll be able to see this would you make amends with rupert lowe and work together with the restore party what is reform's plan to bring back all the talent and capital that have fled the country over the past decade please paint us the picture of what it'd be like when you're the pm locally nationally and internationally the one thing we're not talking about enough and i was inspired a bit on this by francis and the work you did about being a teacher in a london out of london borough the one thing we're not talking about is the fact that we're not talking about the fact that we're not talking about enough is the huge numbers of young kids who've got great potential and great talent be it in academics be it in sport being in whatever field of life it may be who find themselves going to state schools in britain's cities which frankly in many areas barely look like britain because of all the different languages that are spoken and because of the sort of breakdown of civility and law and order and respect and all the things that are going on in the world of education that are going on in the world of society and i think that's one of the things that's going on in the world of education and i think that's one of the things that's going on in the world of society and i think that's one of the things that's going on in the world of education and i think that's one of the things that's going on in the world of education and i think that's one of the things that's going on in the world of education and i think that's one of the things that's going on in the world of education and i think that's one of the things that's going on in the world of education and i think that's one of the things that's going on in the world of education and i think that's one of the things that's going on in the world of education and i think that's one of the things that's going on in is going backwards and not forwards. And there is a tragedy going on in education in Britain's cities where people are not fulfilling their potential. And that, for them, and for us as a country, is a disaster. There you go, Nigel Farage endorses Uneducated by Francis Foster, available in all good bookshops. But sales might go down as well as up after this, if such a thing is possible. Nigel, thanks for coming back on. It's always great to have you. Head on over to triggerpod.co.uk where Nigel's going to answer a few of your questions. Can you articulate examples of the laws and policies that you want to enact that would both demonstrate that you have compassion for non-native Brits and that your intentions are fair and reasonable? Uneducated by Francis Foster Thank you.