WORLD CUP Bonus Episode: Week Two

This episode is proudly sponsored by Mazda. Consumer Reports' safest new car brand, Mazda stands for more of what matters most to you. Visit MazdaUSA.com to learn more. This is what now with Trevinova, all right, well, welcome to week two of the World Cup. Yeah, we can't believe, because it feels like one who was so much football. It feels like a week for, but then again, in time rushes and you're having fun, so it doesn't feel like a week to yet. It's like a week, I know it sounds like a weird contradiction, but it feels like we've watched four weeks' worth of football, but then it doesn't feel like we've reached a week to yet. I think it feels like that because yes, we've watched probably more games per capita than ever in our lives, but because we haven't moved in the group stages, it doesn't feel like the tournament has moved in a good way, so it feels like it's exciting, it feels like it's still new, it feels like it's, but you know, before we even get into the results, I noticed something about the World Cup, and I don't know if you'll agree with this or disagree. Okay. Probably disagree, but on principle, but okay. The World Cup is a lot like New Year's Eve, everyone talks trash about it in the buildup. Everyone says they don't care, everyone says they don't, they don't want to make plans, they're not going to participate. Ask somebody what their plans are for New Year's Eve, they'll be like, is that even a thing anymore? New Year's Eve. I'll probably just sleep. I don't even care what's happening. I'm not into it. The day the clock strikes 12, and it's the 31st now, then you start getting the texts, "Hey, what's happening? Have you heard of anything? Are you going anywhere?" Where's the buddy asked? Maybe we should go to a party. And then when it gets close to 12, it's on, and once it's on, all you're left with is joy and regret. I feel like the World Cup is that? No, because I was thinking about this. Every single World Cup starts with the scandal, "Oh, most scandals." And by week two, people can only talk about the World Cup. So go South Africa, 2010, everybody was saying, "Can this country host a World Cup? Is Africa ready? There's too much crime in South Africa. They don't have the infrastructure. It's going to be a bad World Cup. It's not going to go. World Cup started. Week two. Oh, when you was football. Actually, at the moment, Shabbala scored that goal. Finished. Everything shifted. Yes. Katar. Oh, no. No, that's Russia. Oh, yeah. Russia? Russia was before that people were like, "Oh, no." I see that's where. 2048. Brazil, they were like, "Oh, no. The infrastructure, things are not going to work." It favelas. You name it. Russia. People like, "Oh, the visas are going to be a disaster. Russia is not going to let people in." Russia even should. Russia even be hosting a World Cup game. People are just like, "It's a World Cup time." We'll get back to that later. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Katar was the same. US. Week two. I don't know about you. Maybe it's just my feed. Everything is World Cup now. No, I'll say this. And that's, I think, the beauty. And also the cast, in the funny way, of the World Cup, because that's what gives FIFA so much power and so much leverage. They are in control, or they're the custodians of the thing that's so powerful that can shift narratives. So, the World Cup, when you talk about Katar, like, before it happened, some people are even going to break out it. Yeah. English media. English media was essentially. We're not going to go to Katar. Katar. But then the moment the ball is kicked. You know what it is, actually, before the ball is kicked. Once people see David Beckham, they change all their geopolitical views. Yes. I think it's like any party. You can say what you want about a party. If David Beckham walks in. Yeah. Yeah. Now, you know, all of a sudden the party's changed. Let's turn up. Yes. No, but like, it's. As I was thinking, it's the great power of this beautiful game. And FIFA, fun enough, has done so much to figure the face of the beautiful game, but because the game is so popular, and once it starts, everything is out of the window. So the U.S., people are going about, you know, everything is strong with the U.S. Then the moment the game started, everyone's just talking about the games. People are discovering different sides of America, because they're going to. They're getting to meet real Americans, as opposed to Americans, being represented by their government. Can I say that's something that has truly made me realize how powerful the World Cup is? I've always known that the World Cup has the power to introduce, you know, people from all over the world to a nation that they may have had a one-sided opinion of, or like a one-dimensional opinion of rather. I didn't think the same would hold true for America. And yet, if you've been online, the fan experiences of the World Cup, and the fan experiences of America, funny enough, there's the German guy. Freddie, I think his name is? Oh, who's going out? Yes. He's become like the most adored fan in America now. Freddie is a German guy who's just in America, who's just having a great time, just loving everything about America, meeting people, shocked at how friendly they are, discovering how big the portions are, enjoying, like. Oh, there's things we love about America. Giant trucks, giant cars, giant worlds, giant supermarkets. He's gotten so popular. I think he got an invite to the White House. He was on a flight that was delayed and he was going to miss a game. And then airlines just stepped in and they were like, "No, Freddie, we got you. We're going to get you on another flight. We're going to. " That's when I was like, "Okay, this is power." When an airline in America is actually trying to help people. To help a customer, yes. No, but also I agree with you because America, unlike other countries, has been overexposed. We watch it in pop culture, watch it in movies, we watch it in music videos. Yeah. And I think there'll be nothing to discover. Qatar, you've never had anything about it. So when the workup goes there, there's a chance to discover side of Qatar that you have been seen before. But America. I didn't think that for America, yeah. For America, yeah. For America, yeah. Honestly, you didn't think that for America. And then, yes. Like, the people in Rollins, Kansas, they are like, funny, we admit cute with Algeria and then this romance that has gone under, no, no, no, no, no. You think Scottish fans have drunk pasta and dry? Yes. You never thought that would happen. I didn't think it was possible. Boston would go like, there's not enough alcohol in Boston. Yeah. I genuinely didn't think it was possible. The buzzer, no, but I think also like if you combine Scottish people with Irish people, because there are Irish people in Boston who are drinking the buzz dry. And then this, no, it's, it's been beautiful. It's, it's why normally they go like, oh, you can use the World Cup to sports wash. Or sports learn that your image. And that's why I think, okay, but this is, okay, let's, let's, so let's get into this. Is it sports washing or, or rather, let's, let's, let's ask the question this week, because people will say the World Cup is sports washing. Yes. You use a major world tournament to, you know, yeah, yeah, to, to, to, to, to lighten or brighten the image of your country in the world, despite what's going on. But then there's a part of me that goes, it, is it sports washing or is it, is it maybe doing not the opposite necessarily? But like those Americans who are experiencing, or rather those Europeans, and those Africans, and those, you know, South Americans, and that very, very few South Americans, you know wrong, you know wrong actually. Yeah. Way more Europeans. But they are experiencing America in a way that they wouldn't have otherwise. And I think America is also experiencing them in a way that they wouldn't have otherwise. The effect that the Norwegian fans have had on Americans, for the first time in my life, I've seen team USA people trying to come up with actual chance for their team. Apart from we believe that we shall win. They see the choreography. That's objectively terrible. Or just USA, USA. That's fine for like three minutes. Yes, you can't chant it one entire game. 90 minutes. Come on, come on. You need a few. Come on, come on, come on. I still say if you have to tell the team what their job is. To remind them. Come on. Like football fans, you just get to sing and like reminisce about the beauty of your team and its legacy. You get to sing joyous songs. Meanwhile, in American sports, you have to like literally tell the people what to do. This is the part where you defend. You know what I mean? What are you doing? You make it seem like American athletes are like goldfishes. I'm saying the chance. Yes, the chance are terrible. No, like the, oh, so I think I thought your graph is so I understand. Yes, I'm not saying the sports washing isn't a thing. But I am often torn because we live in a world where people say we as humans need to spend more time getting to know each other so that we form opinions of each other and places and ideas. Let's become less rigid. And then when we have events that do that, we then say the events shouldn't happen because. I think it's because because when else would it happen? No, I think it's when else would when else with thousands of Norwegians be influencing Americans? When else with thousands of Scottish people be influencing? Look at look at and not just in America. Look at the love, the new romance between Korea and Mexico. Have you seen Korean and Mexican fans? Yes, that's we're outside. They're going to be so many Korean Mexican babies born next year. I'll say funny that you talk about the impact. Hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu ―Belo, takau, takau ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni 'Kontries' that normally buy to host the World Cup, their countries in need over reputation or cleanup. So for example, Russia, they're just embedded Crimea when they go to World Cup. Yeah, but they are not saying that's not true, but they had to bid for the World Cup long before they invaded Crimea. But I'm saying when the World Cup came, it helped their image. They went from all Russia. Not a candidate for neighbor of the Russia. It's possible. They're not as cold as they seem. Okay, so now it was Russia, Qatar, the US, then it's going to be Morocco, Spain, and then it's going to be Saudi Arabia. And I think logically the next stop should be North Korea. And North Korea and World Cup would be something. By the way, did you see there was a piece that I was reading or saw something online. It's funny you brought up North Korea. Apparently North Korea has experienced like a boom over the past few years, like a major. And please don't get me wrong. This is this is relative to itself because North Korea is still like extremely underdeveloped. There's a lot of poverty in it, but apparently they've really been doing well ironically because of the wars that are being fought. People forget how many how much how much money they make from. And from troops and from yeah, but apparently, so you never know maybe North Korea could be. Okay, but I saw this video because you're talking about North Korea. I saw this video that was showing how North Korea has changed has developed and they're just using a packing lot. And you could see the number of cars. Yeah, the technology even know the technology like, but this is what I mean. As much as people say you should keep a state's a pariah. Yes, to punish them for their actions. I sometimes wonder if the opposite isn't more true. Can you keep a state a pariah if you bring them into the fold. That's the first argument. If a argument always is you can't bring the football can help bring a country into the international fold. Right. So like when outside as go to Kata. Kata just by that interaction alone. Yeah, it's almost like you know when you hear about Europeans going and meeting these uncontacted tribes in the Amazon. Yeah, just the interaction alone has like benefits to opening up. Yeah, I don't I don't think you can I don't think you can start diplomacy without diplomats. That's a very good. Yeah, that's that's your first argument every time when we take football to these places. Those places are always almost seconds and I opening moment for even even not even taking it to the places look what the world cup has done. How many people in the world new Cape Verde was even a thing before the world cup. How many people knew Kurosawa's even a thing speaking to you now. Kurosawa has a point. They have a point at the world cup. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Yes. And they got that point against Ecuador a team that did extremely well. Yeah, yeah. In the generation of a foreign generation as well. Equal like. So for Kurosawa for like a heartbeat there. They were put together with Germany. And for them it was a win. No, no, it was a win. But then again as you see kept that they are going to keep going from what a few hundred followers to 9.4 million 11. Yeah, it shows. Yeah, it shows that power of the world cup. But again, man, you know, I can see what the activists are talking about because the government will always use because anytime you give something as powerful as the world cup to a power hungry maniac. They always abuse it. But as you're saying also once once it brings people together because if you look at the people who love the beautiful game or in the case of America. Yeah, the people who didn't love. But now how for any love because they're seeing Norwegians choreographing this Viking growing thing or they're seeing like Scottish people just having. Yeah, man. I think I think it's look. I think both arguments have merit. But I think we shouldn't take for granted the lasting legacy. Yes. And the impact this will leave of just bringing humans together. We live in a world where so many people form their opinions based on, you know, digital digital information. How many people can say their opinions of others are formed by an actual experience. That's what I'm saying. You know, so I'm loving that part of it. Like I actually love how for the world cup the scandals go away from geopolitics and they just go to the pitch. You know, because now like the scandals are all on the pitch. I would say the biggest scandal at the world cup now over this past week. Turkey. The Turkish team. Yes. Came in. Yes. If you think about it, like the Turkish team came into this world cup. I don't know if you saw their send off. Right. They got one of the biggest send offs. I've ever seen a country give their team. So they were given mushrooms in one of the most exclusive like seaside results. My friend every player for just glorifying my friends. Yes. Because how many years has it been since Turkey was? Yes, been like I think 26 years in some of them in a long time. I think the last time weight was it. 2002. It was when they made it to the semifinal. Very, very long time. They were driven out of the city with the most beautiful. It looked like they were going to like like a war, but a good war in a way. But that's what the world cup feels like. Yeah. They would talk up to go back to your point. The world cup is the only time I feel and the Olympics. But especially the World Cup is the only time you allow to be xenophobic. Well, nationalistic and maybe not xenophobic but nationalistic. Nationalistic. Nationalistic. Yes. You're supposed to wear you go like, yeah, I'm from Kurosawa and I'm going to shit talk German. We had the Germans and everyone goes like, yeah, we agree. He had the Germans. It's the only time you allow to be particularly proud. Yeah. Without it having like the negative undertone. It's the one time Germans can fly their flag. Oh, yes, proud. Yeah, proud. Yes. This is the one time Germans can be like, and now am I allowed to bring out my flag for this moment? Yeah. And English. And English. Yes. Come on. Come on. The French are like, yeah, we can do it. But just for this one and the ones. That's probably why Germany always does well in the World Cup because the longer they get to be in the World Cup, the longer Germans get to fly their flags. And they just, they're like, yeah, this is so much fun. We're having a great time. We get to do this once every four years. July 20th. Put it away. Okay. We'll see you in four years. We're going to continue this conversation right after this short break. Well, let's take a quick break to thank our sponsor Mazda for today's episode. Safety has a new leader. You know what I've realized? Most people don't actually think about safety when everything's going right. Yeah. 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Team comes in that has one of the highest team values per capita as in like the value of the players where they play their football, how they are seen in the world, how they are, how they are rated. So you think of a team like that everyone expected everyone also everyone was like oh their group is easy. So every pundits expected them to cakewalk the thing instead they are now infinitely out of the world cup without a goal. Kurasa was done better than them. That's wild man. How it is doing better than them than them kept values doing better than them. The thing is that's why you do realize you do realize like if you think about like their story I was thinking about like Turkey is basically the reflecting pool of national teams right now. They are reflecting pool. Okay explain this elaborate. It was released to much fanfare. Yes. There was a massive overhaul. Yes. Tons of money was pumped into it. They made this grand announcement with extreme expectations and much sooner than people predicted. and the paint started peeling off. - Things were a part, yes. - And it fell apart. - And it became one of the biggest disasters we've ever seen. - In like a space that really no one-- - They're reflecting for, yes. - It would have been one thing if they said, "Oh, they're reflecting pool after like two years." It happened in a comically short amount of time. That sort of happened with Turkey. - It would be great if also Turkey had Abraham Lincoln just looking gone very disappointed. - Just judging from his scenes. - I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. No, the thing is, I'll say this about Turkey, so I've had a chance. For example, you have two. How about a chance to visit Turkey? To visit Istanbul three times. - You have? - Yes. - Why is your head like this? - They went like, we are miracle workers, but come on. We can't only do so much. Even the Turkish doctors, when they're in the realm, they must be within the realms of science. - Yeah, yeah, we don't make wonders. No, but the thing is, I've had a chance to visit Istanbul three times, only close by the way. And every time I visited Istanbul, I feel it's like the Brazil of Europe, the fans breathe, live, and sleep football. They have the three biggest clubs. - Kalachrasal, right? - And Abbas and Besiktas and the fans, they're very passionate people, fiercely passionate. So I feel for them, 'cause this is very devastating. This is traumatic for them. They came in, they thought they would win, they got embarrassed. And if you've also had, like we grew up watching European football, if you've had the chance to watch those Turkish games, when they say an English team, this is, oh my gosh. I'm a man-united visiting. - It's massive. - Visiting Ghatrasal, right? There are some of you in stadiums, and it's basically welcome to hell, that's what they call it. And when you watch the teams go to the, you know, they were in a batch used to play, it was called the Sakoro-Saro-Koguru. Those stadiums really feel like, I wouldn't even, I wouldn't even know how to describe them, 'cause an American wouldn't get it. They feel like you've entered. You know when they say the fan is the 12th man, it genuinely feels. It's like I've filled, but with flares. - But why didn't that translate into the World Cup? No, so they have, and this is why, this is why. - Zero goals, no, so this is why I feel for them, because the 2002 team was their golden generation, before this golden generation. And if you remember that team, they had Hakansuka in front. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - At Hassan Sasuka, Miss Davalla. - Yes, yes, yes. - They had like two guys, and every, and all five. - And my question is, what happened now? - So when they came in, they thought, I think they were shocked, by they are also, they don't have a, in natural number nine, I don't, I think that's troubling. - Yeah, but Joe, but Joe, we had a stage where, we're just asking about a singular goal. - Now, I'll say this about the World Cup. Remember, every team that shows up at the World Cup, they're not push of us at the World Cup. That might sound weird when you've seen some of the scorelines. - Yeah, but people, people can get that every team beat a bunch of teams together. Like, it's really, it's not in the World Cup. Because of Bosnia. And Bosnia hasn't had like a good World Cup, but the thing is, every team at the World Cup, is playing every game, like it's a World Cup final. So when some people go like, oh, it's 48 teams, they're gonna be small teams. Not my friend, when Kurosawa is playing, that's the biggest game of their lives. - Yeah. - When Kevva is playing, that's their World Cup final. - I think maybe that's something people forget, whether actively, like subconsciously or consciously. I think a lot of people forget how many teams are at the World Cup, not because they were chosen, but because they won. - Yes, they won. And every team is here because they won. But I think sometimes people make it seem like, oh, that's cute. They went and fetched Cape Verde. Oh, that's cute. They think it's like a Cinderella story. Like America's-- - As if Ajan is here. - Yeah, like America's got talent or something. It's like, no, no, no. This is like an active, active story. But this is why I think like Turkey's really gonna have to, it's, there's gonna be a lot of, what do they call it? It's gonna be a post-mortem. - Yeah, so Vincenzo Monterey at the coach is certainly going to lose his job. - Yeah, and I loved him as a player. - It's gonna be massive because here you have a team that maybe wasn't expected to win the whole thing by their fans, but the fans expected a late run, a late run because of the expected expanded format, by the way. Because of the expanded format, there's actually a high expectation on teams, because there are easier games. There are easier moments in groups. - Or you don't have just to finish second. - Exactly. This eight third place teams are gonna go through. So their fans are saying, yeah, we didn't expect everything, but we expected something. And then you've got that happening. And I find it interesting how, I think a lot of the pressure is compounded by the fact that this is also the World Cup. It's like the Cinderella World Cup. - Yes, it is. - So it would be one thing if Turkey was losing their games, and that was that. It's something else when you're a Turkish fan, watching your team lose its games, while Kurosawa is scoring against Germany, while they're getting a draw against Ecuador, while Cape Verde is getting a draw against Spain, while you're watching Japan go toe-to-toe with the Netherlands, thrashing Tunisia, while you're watching, you're watching clubs, team USA. - Also the Embarrassing World Cup. - Turning into Prime Barcelona. - I feel like the second game, I feel the second game they lost was very embarrassing because Paraguay were reduced. Paraguay, first of all, had lost to the US. Badly. So they went like, "Oh, this is a game we should be able to win." 'Cause you went like, "Australia may be Australia, "Saka Punch to them," 'cause they dominated that game. They created all the chances. So you went like, "Okay, that's a bad day at the office." We got Saka Punch, but if you watch Uruguay, get dominated the way they were dominated by the US, you went like, "Oh, this should be a kick walk for Turkey." They lose one meal. Uruguay plays most of the game, 10 men because Miguel Arminon was sent off for that. And still Turkey couldn't find a way. - By the way, do you think that should be a red card of faith? - I think it should be. I think it should be, I think. - Why? - If I say you should say it with your chest. - I don't think it should be a red card. - Say it with your chest. No, 'cause when you do this, - I don't think it should be a red card. - It comes from Vinnie, but I don't think it should be a red card. - No, I think it should be. I think it should be 'cause when you say, - I think it should be a yellow card. Okay, let me tell you why. - Okay. - For me, a red card, and I'll preface this by saying, I choose this because of when the rule was enforced. Whenever there's a new rule in football, I think we shouldn't take for granted how reflexive so many actions are in the game. - Yes, yes. - Okay. Athletes all over the world have gotten very comfortable doing this, even on the bench when they speak to each other. You know, they do this. Watch the New York Knicks at the victory parade. They're doing this the whole time. - They're speaking to each other. - Because they don't want their lips to be red, okay? You get taught to do this. Put your hand in front of your mouth. Now, it's a new rule that gets brought into the World Cup. A few months before the World Cup, not like years before. - Yes, yes, yes, yes. - Right, so you don't get to like play it in the leagues. You get to the World Cup. There's a moment, you just do your default, you put your hand, it's instinctive, red card. I think it should be a yellow, because the game itself, the game is disrupted so much by this decision that you should give a nation an opportunity to be like, oh no, that person, like, you know what I mean? - Also, by the big arm, you know, and one of the nicest guys in the game. - You also, I hate, I hate arguing with you, but now that you put it like that, you're going to go, that should be an off-ramp. - Because also, yes. - No, no, I agree with you. - No, I agree with you. - Even if they said to the opponents, when he said to you, even if the opponents said, no, no, no, he said something about my mother or whatever, whatever, it's fine, yellow card. - But, I hate it, but I agree with you. Yes. - If the player says he said something racist, no, then the ref can say red card. - No, 'cause that was the origin of the rule. - Yes. - Vinny said, Prasianny said something racist. Prasianny said, I didn't say anything racist. - And you can't prove it that. - The referee couldn't prove it because Prasianny had, but the thing is, where I agree with you, and I hate it, I hate it. I hate this moment. Where I agree with you is the off-ramp. This was a decision. This was a rule created basically two, three months ago. - Yes. - And the players have been doing this their whole lives. - Yeah. - 'Cause even messy when it messes up. - It's like taking your shirt off after you celebrate. - Yes, yes. You can't go to red card. - Yes, yes, that should have been an off-ramp. - You know what I mean? You can't go red card for time wasting. And I mean, now time wasting is like more common people understand it. But I think there are certain things where, we forget that it's just like part of the game. It was a very reactive rule as well. It reacted to a particular incident because that incident involved a stapler. - Do you remember when they said only captains can speak to the referee? - Yes. - They made a new rule. The players can't swarm the ref. Only the captains can speak to the referee. - Players do. - Players do rank the referee. And then they said we'll give you a yellow card for this. Imagine if they said red. - Oh, the other rule as well was you can't ask for a yellow card. - Yes. - And players every time they are fouled. - Yeah, they do this and then they would get yellows. But then over time they stopped doing it. Except Venice here. They stopped doing it. But imagine if it was, guys, red cards are such, a red card for me is such an egregious offense. - It changes the dynamic of the game. It changes the complexion. Conditions the whole game. The good thing for Paraguay is it didn't cost to them. - And now imagine, now we're going back. Imagine if you're a turkey fan going, we gave this, we got, these guys got a red card. - But I have a question for you. Taki and Tunisia, who is having a worst world cup? - Turkey. - Turkey? - Yeah, Turkey. - Because Tunisia fired their coach after losing five near. And also they improved because they lost four near. (laughing) - No, but Turkey is having a worse one. Because Turkey had, look at the team. Look at the team. Look at the footballing heritage. Look at the in a moment. Turkey is having a worse one. - No, but I see. - You know who a spade actually, the blush is fun enough. I think Turkey would have wanted to do what many of the other clubs who had a shaky start. - Look at teams, yeah. So Brazil, you know, like Brazil came out and said, we've seen every meme, we've seen every critique, we've seen every pundits, Kalo and Chalotsi switched out his front line, put Kunya in, benched Ego Tiago, said, okay, let's play this game, let's get out there. And very quickly, they want top of the game, but we say that until you join in, you're right. Yes. And I think that's, that's the biggest thing I've noticed that this World Cup is the big teams in this second week, especially the ones who didn't have a good, like, Spain and, yeah, even Netherlands, etc. They came out swinging now instead of, like, allowing the game to develop and thinking, the Netherlands scored two goals in the first, like 20 minutes of their games, um, uh, uh, running brand, probably into prime climate, and also calling up going to prime roti vanisteroi. But that game, we'll talk about. That game should have, uh, who else, uh, scored Brazil, scored their first two goals, how quick do you know what I mean? It's like, I think, I think a lot of the teams are realizing this isn't a league match, it can't have the pace of a league match. You want to get in, get your goals as quickly as possible, and then get into the game. And, and Spain, you saw that in their game, right? Right? First game, they were like, oh, no, let's fill it out. Tikataka. Let's feel the game. They're like, no, this is not because they forget that their opponents are so happy to get a draw. You can, the draws is valuable at this will come, especially when third place gets you through if you're in the top eight, third teams, you know? But now the teams came out Brazil, guns blazing, Spain, guns blazing. But I think also the thing with opening games, opening games are always very cage affairs, because no one was, I mean, like, when is your first game in the World Cup? It's almost like, look at England. Look at England and look at France. Yeah, but look at England and France. Yes. They were like, there's nothing cagey about this. In my opinion, no team that's a big team should ever believe that the first game should be cagey, because the first game literally means nothing. It also means nothing. If you lose it, you can still go on to win a World Cup, we've seen many winners do that. So the first game is a game where you just come out, swing as hard as you can and then calibrate. But I think it's just saying that as a monolith as a team, but I'm saying the players, the individual players, okay, okay, you think they're open nerves. Yes. No player wants to be seen as a player who made the mistake. My friend. It's almost like my friend. You know when you come on as a substitute and they go like, let the first attack just be safe enough. My friend. This is the World Cup. You can't put on a brazil shirt and not be sure of yourself. But I think it's a brazilian guy. That guy did not look like he was just trying to feel out the game as a substitute. He was fighting for his place. Yes. He got Tiago putting him on the bench. Look now. But now, I'm saying, second game, things have settled now. Yeah, the worst that could happen has almost happened. But not Laminia, Mal. Lamin from the first game. He came on as a substitute as well. But also like in settled. Lamin has the fierlessness of youth though. No. You know, Joe Messi. Talk to any teenagers. Don't care if you have consequences. Messi first came. Messi has the fierlessness of a veteran. No, you're going to make excuses for everyone. You're going to make excuses for everyone now. Yes. No, you're right. No, you're right. No, you're right. You're right. You're right. It's, you're basically saying fortune favors the brave. Yes, it does. Come on. It does. It does. And by the way, that's another narrative. I feel like needs to change, especially after the second week of the World Cup. This whole narrative around like David versus Goliath, I think we need to switch it up. Like, as regards African teams, yeah, when they go like, oh, court dev war against Germany. David versus Goliath. Senegal versus David versus Goliath. I feel like pundits, commentators. It's very patronizing by the way. Yeah, it's patronizing. But more importantly, it's also inaccurate now. Okay. First of all, physically, if you look at the actual players, you know, yeah, the roles are definitely reversed. Like Germany was struggling for size. So you're saying it's wrong, both metaphorically and also literally, yes, and quite literally. And secondly, I think we've we've outgrown that metaphor. David versus Goliath because it's not David versus Goliath, you know, it's not like all can David defeat Goliath. No, David is now a world beta. David has multiple players from Europe playing in his squad. David now has some of the most talented footballers. David has been in the gym, taking steroids, taking creatine, doing his thing. David is like on top of it. David's got a few belts under, you know what I mean? I always had a problem with the original story anyway. Why? I thought David was, I thought David was a wimp. He was just throwing things, you know, like, come on. No, man. Can I tell you? It's actually funny. You say that I remember reading something that says we might have misunderstood that whole story. Okay. If it was a real story that happened, because they were saying by all accounts, Goliath may just have been like this very big lumbering man. Oh, okay. And David was actually nimble. Was like super quick with a sling shot. It was actually a bad, it was a bad match. And bad my life. Okay. Like Goliath, it was actually bad for him. Even if you read it in the story in the Bible, like David comes then, he's like, I don't need all this armor. I don't need. Oh, was it to weigh me down? Yeah, it's like it'll weigh me down. And so like Goliath is there this lumbering, you know what I mean? I see your point here. And that's that's what I think it is. In a weird way, it shouldn't be, you know, a world David beat Goliath. It should be like, is Goliath still what he's hyped up to be? Oh, okay. I feel like a lot of host nations, a lot of the big nations. Let's, you know, the old winners. European nations. Yeah, they're just old Goliaths. Like England, England, they're considered a Goliath. Yes. But one of them, when was the last time they want to fight like the big fights? That's why I'm thinking it comes down to their recognizability. When was the last time Brazil won its big fight? Yes. It runs on to how recognizable you're playing. When was the last time Italy? Italy still considered a Goliath. What was the last time Italy? Think about it. Since 2006. Come on. We're still calling these teams Goliaths. At some point, we've got to like change the term now. It can't be like, it can be like, "Yo, is this Goliath's Goliath's Goliath?" And then make it out of the group. Two consecutive world cups. 2018 and 2022. And you get them saying? No, no, I think all of these, all of these games. Like, you can't look at Senegal anymore. Even like the way the pundits talk about it. I mean, not that I should be, it's not like I'm offended by this, but I even find it way that even like the commentators and the pundits are still like, and Africa. Look at the Africans doing it. No one says that about the European teams. You know when a movie star has been so good, they cost on the hype of their success for the longest time. You know many bad movies. Niklas Cage had to put out for us to finally go like, "Yo, guys, I think Niklas Cage is no longer star, but for the longest time, it was Niklas Cage. Box office superstar." And you're like, "Guys, no, yeah, I think we need to start." We need to start because, okay, let's look at the Germany-Cottive War game, Germany Ivory Coast. Coming in, people would go, "Oh, David versus Goliath, can Ivory Coast stand up to them? Watch the actual game. Watch the chances create." German was struggling, yes. There's a specific moment that we all remember. If Simon Adinger? Yeah, yes. Fast times that ball, yes. Just put it on targets. Niklas Pippe, by the late in the game as well. All of a sudden the game has changed. It's not like Germany was all over that team. Germany scores a phenomenal goal, but even that tells you something. If you have to score a phenomenal goal to win the game, it means that you weren't the Goliath you thought you were. Yes, but I think Spain against Saudi Arabia is like, okay, you can see that this is an upside-the-competition. But if you have to put together the most amazing pass, the most amazing touch and turn and shot to get your goal, then my friend, this wasn't the mission. No, but I think so. No, but I think I agree with you, but I think it's so about the legacy, how many titles you've won. But that's my point. I'll give you an example. Germany versus Ivory Coast. Yes. When Germany scores, and then it's under, you know, quick turn and that first time shot first of all by the end natural finish, because it didn't even need to do what the goal was. Absolutely out of this world. So when it's caused, almost every person I know was who is a student of the game. Every person who has loved the game for a long time immediately went back to Gary Lennicka's course. You know that Fema scored by Gary Lennicka? No. Well, when like football is a simple game, we are 22 minutes just the ball for 90 minutes and in the end the Germans win. That's so funny. So everyone went back to that. Everyone remembered, oh, this is what the Germans do. There are so many Dutch fans. Cause Holland and Germany have, or the Netherlands and Germany have that weird rivalry. There's so many Dutch fans who went like, yeah, we've seen this happen so many times. The Germans always do this. Someone's actually give you hope and then a data. So it's, I think it's about the legacy. And you're right. You're right. But it's my point. We're going to ask ourselves like, is Goliath the underdog now? You know, we're going to ask ourselves. You know what's happening? Because Americans would relate to this. It's the legacy admission. You know, and they're like, Oh, your father. Yes. He was an aluminum. Yeah. He was an aluminum. That's a discolid. Oh, he delivers him after him. Yes. And because your dad went to school. Doesn't mean you deserve to be. You don't have the great even. But they go like, oh, right. You don't have Germany won the World Cup. Not this generation. Yes. You get them saying? This current Argentina squad won the World Cup. Yes. See, that's different. Yes. That's different. This current French squad won the World Cup. That's different. When you're like the pieces. So you're saying a lot of it. It's trying to be getting into a corner. You can't. You can't. You can't still be writing on the co-tales of a generation that doesn't exist anymore. Oh, we've won the World Cup. No, we, who's we? That's where that's where if you had like an African parent, they would be quick to tell. - Maybe like, "Ah, we bought this house." And be like, "Who's we?" You live in this house. - I bought it. - This is my roof, yes. - Yeah, this is my house and my car. - Yeah, but that's why we don't have-- - You live in it. - Yeah, but that's why we don't have nipple babies in Africa. - Yeah, that's exactly. - The concept of the nipple baby is sport. - No, no, no, no. - It's totally, so for me, - It's wasted on an African parent. - It doesn't work. - 'Cause an African parent goes like, "What do you mean, "This is my stuff?" (laughs) You better go out there and look for your own stuff. 'Cause I also remember African parent's love struggle. They go like, "Yeah, are you I struggled?" - Yeah, do you know what I'd love to get here? - You have to struggle as well. You appreciate it when you struggle. - Maybe that's why we appreciate team USA so much now is because it feels like their struggle is bearing fruit. And it's also dysconically, they don't have that legacy. They don't have a team they can't point to, where they go like, "Oh, this team." Like, they have some-- - Man, they did well, man. - They have had some teams like in 2002 that maybe lost to Germany, but they still don't have that team, yes. - It was great. - No, it was great. It was great for football. Again, they have threw now two games. By the way, how do you feel about the new format? Gold difference used to be the determining factor. Now it's head to head. - I think it sucks. - Because now it means like-- - Yeah, I think it's a media game. - Yeah, yeah. - That the third game means nothing. - Yeah, it's nothing. 'Cause back then when gold difference is the determinant or is the decider, then the teams go like, "Okay, third game, I'm gonna give it, oh." - Yeah, because it might determine where you hit up. - Yes, now Mexico literally can walk onto the pitch against Czechia and they can sit down and it does not change their outcome. And Czechia can score as many goals as they want. Yes, I think FIFA tried to do head to head, to avoid, I think it backfired, I think it backfired, but Mexico making it through is good. I was that Mexico game. - No, I'm happy. - I think Mexico made the sale of the tournament. He made it like an incredible double save when he was on the control. - Oh, he did that. - That was insane save. - He had the first save down and the second save he was falling. - Yes. - And hit the fall, yeah, yeah, yeah. - That was a great test. - It was like really nice. - We set a bread like the strikers with their Galazos, but that. - This has been the world cup of goalkeepers. - Yeah, goalkeepers, yes. - No, goalkeepers are looking good in this world cup. - Rosinia. - Yeah, no, they're actually looking very good. His mom was allowed into the country. That's how good a performance he gave in that game. - That's when you know. Forget about the fall, also forget about the following. His mom, you know, and that's when you go like, how good were you? I was so good that America changed its immigration policies for my mom. - And also how the mom was received as like a, some kind of returning like a dignitary. - Like a dignitary. - But also like Rosinia's story is so interesting. And I think we touched about this. - Yeah, we did last time. - Yeah, he got like millions of followers and he's almost like the reverse Spider-Man because with great power came great irresponsibility. So he received 14 million followers and the first thing he did was follow everybody, every Instagram buddy that you could find. - Amen, live your dream, you know? - Also at 40, yeah, you know, this is his last dance. And he's going like, I'm going down swinging. Yeah, no, the keepers have been outstanding. - What are we excited looking forward? What are we looking for? - Looking forward, I'm very interested. One, in how Sweden never gets their last game. - You know, let's talk about that game before we go into what's coming up. - I don't know what your analysis was. I think that's one of those games where the score doesn't reflect the chances. So Sweden is a very spiky team. And what I mean by that is, you know, like I think a team that's well balanced has a very smooth shape to it. So it's good moments and it's bad moments are not particularly far from each other. So it creates like a really beautiful smooth shape. - Okay. - And there are teams that are just like bad. So it's like a small circle. But then you have spiky teams. Amazing moment, terrible moment, amazing moment, terrible moment, amazing moment. Because Sweden is so spiky, they conceded in every terrible moment. But they had like really good spikes where they could have scored and they didn't. Like I thought Issaq was fantastic feeding the ball to Gjokres. I think Gjokres was fantastic feeding the ball to Ayari. Ayari should have put a ball on targets. Gjokres I think should have been a little bit more clinical. There were like three or four chances where Sweden could have scored and should have scored in my opinion. And they didn't. And that turns the game. Because when it's too null and you make it to one. Yeah, of course, now it's a very different game. - The Netherlands is a bit shaky now. - And we've seen them against Japan, yes. If it's two, one or three, one and you make it three, two. Momentum, shaking it. I just felt like Sweden, I think people are writing Sweden off prematurely. I think they ran into a dash team again. Because also you are talking about teams that started in a cagey manner and they can't learn the stuff. The Netherlands did that in the second game. I think they ran into a dash team that finally got its tactics together. Because when the first game they played Junior Marin as they learn follow, as they learn forward. And then because in this game, some of it was struggling with a knock. They moved Junior Marin to the wing and then the protein brand, Brobi. - And it was like a handful. - I've always thought his mullet is better on the right. - Yeah, no, so that's what they did. And then the protein was Brobi killed them. He killed them with his physicality. He killed them with his strength. He killed them with his running. And I think for the longest time, for the longest time in the first half, Lindorof and his defensive partner couldn't handle that much power. - You know what it made me wonder actually? - I wonder if, you know, Brobi and Harlan and a lot of these even Lukaku food glimpses. - Big strong boys, yes. - I wonder if football like fashion is experiencing it's come back to bell bottoms moment? - Oh, it went through this more for me. - We had a game for a long time where it was all about have a big man up front. He powers through, he makes basic, he gets you goals. Then that man became shorter and shorter and shorter. - And smaller, yes. - Messy, yes. - Basically, it clips, like basically deleted that position from the game. And now it was the David Villas and it was, you know, the Agueros and them. But it was really like, the point of that play was not to like overpower a defense. - To skill them through their movement. - Right. But then because the game became about movement and passing, defending became tighter. - Yes, yes. - It became about a block, it became about shapes to cut off the passing lanes and the triangles. But now because of that, one of the only ways you can get a goal and you can score is to whip the ball in behind a defense or to whip the ball in or to create some sort of running chaos. Because that's where numbers don't help you. - You need a better room. - If you have, yes. - If you have six defenders running towards their own goal, it doesn't really help them as much as six defenders facing away from their goal. - Yes, you're right, yes. - But as you guys think about soccer, so football, it's very cyclical. - Yeah, and so now it feels like, you know, we're going, looking at Robbie as like, I think five, six years ago, that player is not on a squad anyway. - He was endangered, or even almost extinct. - Yes. - And now it looks like there's a space for him in every squad in the world. Even like a Geochiris. - Yes, yes, yes. - There's like a space for like this big, fast, battering run player who's gonna like cause chaos up top. It's one of the reasons I actually think Mbappe is only being saved by his pace. Not, I think Mbappe is one of the greatest players we'll ever see. I still think he should be playing on the left. In the middle, without his pace, he just gets like knocked off a little. - Yes. - He gets knocked off balance. He just gets, he doesn't like, he's not a battering ram. I was looking at, so for me, when I look at Sweden, Sweden has gone back to that. So Sweden uses two strikers, which is a rare thing. - They shouldn't. - I don't think you should. - I don't know what you think of it. - They shouldn't. - I like the rune, it's played on the left. - No, but then also no way uses two strikers. Soloth and higher, but I feel like they like, - There's what have to. - Okay. - No, but I'm going like, so when I didn't have nothing in, it wasn't just, okay, let me put it this way. It wasn't about the two strikers. It was about the formation behind it. - Yes. - If you have two strikers, but then you play an attacking midfield right behind them. Are you playing a 4-3-1-2? - I am, yes. - Your wings are so wide open. Guck, Poe, and Dumfries are in the time of their lives. - Oh, I guess yes. - They just overload you because now your wings are just, and the game is on the wings most of the time anyways. So people are going around you. You've built like a really strong front door with no walls. - But that's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm very interested in how Sweden handles their last game. Because Grampota, in the game against the Dutch, he's sure that he's no Harry Potter, but in the final game, in the final game, he's going to need to, like with some magic main, because it will be very disappointing with the team that Elanga and Lucas Bagval, with the team that talented. - Why don't they start Elanga? - He's quite like Goss for them, but I think maybe they're going to start Elanga. - No, maybe he's what I'm thinking. With his rope S, Grampota is going like, "Oh, I need him against Tyring legs." That's the only thing that makes no sense when you look at his record. Elanga is playing from minute one. - He has, so here's what I mean. - Sometimes he runs, hit down. Sometimes it's a road runner quality to his game. - Well, you don't know what is good to do with this. - Maybe I have a differing opinion here. I go bringing in impact players in those substance situations can work in your favor sometimes. I think what a lot of coaches take for granted is, you might bring them in when you're down now. And now you're playing against somebody who can afford to sit back and rob you of your odds. - Yes, yes, yes. - Now this person gets to go, okay, Elanga's faster than me. I'm going to stand 10, 20 yards further back. Let's move back. - I'm going to be more spaced running. - And rob him a space. But if you start Elanga and he's running from the very beginning and we need to attack at the same time, we now have to choose, do we attack? Look at what PSG is. - He's got a PSG that's too arsenal. Bukaiya Saka spent the whole game defending. - Defending, yes. - Because Kavaskaria on that left wing, he needs a double team. So now Bukaiya Saka one of the best wide players doesn't get to do play the trade. - He's been 60 something minutes defending and then he comes off the field. That's what PSG is. from the very get go and also I'll tell you as someone who has played defensive positions pass is scary when you're playing against a player who you know in pace is terrible who you know in a fortress can be terrible it's like the was getting the ball and it is because like a player who dribbles you go like oh maybe I'll touch the ball when a player also remember fortresses are like the most natural almost most alpha male like you think about when someone can beating it is the most primitive yeah most competition yes all yes like you know primitively that brain so like the goal is quad once he's running through the middle because you know he's beating you like pace is not something you can someone is either faster than you yeah that's it it's like very yeah no I'm very interested now here under that okay so we're looking forward to the Sweden game that's gonna be a big game Germany's games are done I'm looking forward to the Egypt game as well not because it could be Salas last game if they don't make it but it's all because Egypt for me has you did ask me last week about my like most hard warming moment yeah or and I remember for me I didn't say this and I think I should have said this last week for me is seeing the Egyptian coach on the bench or some Hasan he's a legend used to be the first of Egypt before Salah came along he helped Egypt to win most of those years and now he's coaching at the World Cup and he's coaching the guy who replaced him as the first all that's about to know that he was part of that team that had you know Mohammed Bhattrika Mohammed Barakat and all these legends but seeing him either because he never he never got a chance to go to the World Cup so he imagine if Salah never got a chance to go to the World Cup he kept winning all these nations cups but for some reason or another Egypt could never make it to the World Cup and now he's at the World Cup he's the coach so I'm really looking forward to at least him making it to the knockout rounds it would be like a beautiful like where to bring his story all around he's a legend of African football so for me that was just watching him it's like almost remember when Maradona was coaching Messi it was a win 20 years that was beautiful yeah no it's a beautiful it was dysfunctional but it was dysfunctional yes but like it's almost like you see this but it's like almost a passing over the torch yeah but like in a game like not like outside the game yeah yeah actually actually in the game yeah so I'll read I would really love for Hasan to make it to the knockout rounds and also for Salah yeah we need as many of them as possible we need what about your boy CR7 do you think he's the funny thing is I'm a huge admiral and people might not my find this hard to believe I'm a huge admiral of Cristiano Ronaldo they pass one Cristiano Ronaldo the human being yeah he's like a superlative human being when you hear about the things he has done for charity when he about the fact that doesn't have tattoos because he likes donating blood that's the reason doesn't have tattoos he's like a superatives but then because it's a competitor I think like Cristiano Ronaldo the competitor Cristiano Ronaldo the human being especially when they come on the pitch yeah this isn't what I call him homelander because I think Cristiano Ronaldo did you see that meme by the way it was like it was like what for why yeah no so I feel like the competitor it's almost like if someone has like an otago you know so like yeah like you know Clark Clark Kent and Superman and Bruce Wayne and Batman but then if Batman takes over because I think that makes Superman very human it's Clark Kent yeah the thing that makes Batman human is Bruce Wayne so I feel like with Cristiano Ronaldo the otago sometimes takes over when he's actually most times takes over when he's on the pitch and so what happened in the first game was of course it not longer has the legs so he's not as mobile as it should be yeah the midfield can't feed you if you're not making grunts in behind the midfield can't feed you however superative that midfield is Bruno Fernandez, Yao Nevis, Vittinia they can't feed you if every run you're making you in an offside position so they spent most of the time despite having 80% of the position just passing sideways and then what happened was after the game they asked who our nevis Cristiano Ronaldo and they said something that I thought was diplomatic yeah because he went like oh he's just another player because he don't have to hit pressure on Ronaldo to go like oh he's our only hope he's our princess layer please save us no he's just he's just one of us we have to deliver Ronaldo fans didn't take it like that and remember Yao Nevis had scored the goal that spared their brushes they have been flagging his Instagram comments were coming in a hundred comments of hate per minute they didn't just do that they went and flagged his girlfriend and they're doing that to Bruno Fernandez they're doing it to Yao Nevis they're doing it to Vittinia and they also are doing it to you want believe this and this is going to hurt you they're doing it to deliver poor player I don't even know whether I should say his name who who passed away they're doing it to Diego Jota that's it yeah they're going to his comments and they're hitting comments I know it's it's and some people so they even they're coming to Nevis's Instagram saying it should have been you she that's like that's what I'm saying that's the that's what I'm saying that's the downside of football is like I didn't even think that the fans yeah the fans get so you know because I went like should I bring up Diego Jota because it's no I mean yeah but it is like yeah they're flattening and so I'm thinking I'm thinking how is that that how is that affecting the chemistry that's what I was wondering I was like does this is this one of those moments where you hope a coach can like shut the whole thing down and say team we have to do this or does it put too much pressure on Portugal now it puts so much pressure so they're going to be watching every pass yeah now they like playing for a nation by the way either you pass for Ronaldo or you know what's going to happen of the pitch but also I'm going like this players these days are online yeah they're constantly so they're seeing all this and for me I'm just thinking how does robot also people forget is in footballing nations there's also like a strange um entitlement that fans have where like footballers will talk about how they can't go to the grocery store they their families can't go out yes because people go to their families or them in public and curse them out for their performances isn't just football matches I think I said venga did talk about it can't peak coaches I've talked about not being able to pick their kids from school because their parent comes up to you but that but you see I don't I don't I don't hear maybe it happens and I don't hear but I don't hear stories like like that in American sports I met them that's very good I think at some times they go like crash yes but I don't see them yeah I don't see them I don't see stories like that and like that's the one thing about football where it's like it's the way intense the weight of a nation is not born easily you know I mean like literally carrying the weight of your nation is one that's yeah oh man it's no joke yeah so now I'm just thinking about how toxic that is for the because now put you go the same way you said Spain yeah the same way said the Dutch Portugal really needs to win its next game yeah they do they really cannot afford not because the pressure is only going to intensify yeah and some person and I'm one of those people you're one of those people who are saying maybe Ronaldo should be taking on a lesser role maybe should go from being you know they you know you know when they go like oh yeah cheerleader yes they did name on the poster maybe should be supporting character because also when you think about the major trophy the one major trophy Portugal has won Ronaldo was first of by injury he won and he spent the entire final against France euro 2006 he spent or rather euro 2016 he spent the whole final cheerleading from the bench and who scored the goal idea no one knows him no one knew him before no one knows what happened to him after yeah but guess what Ronaldo is a European champion so by that time he was forced by injury so what you're saying is someone someone in the Portuguese TV is to slide tackle Ronaldo in the change room no they're familiar with make something happen you know family home would be fireball yeah you'd be gone you be deported from your home country all right well this has been it another week of the world cup another exciting one yeah it's going to be fire man yes no no I can't wait because normally it would be like two more weeks to go now because on my the world cup yeah now it's done yes now we have like four more weeks yeah we're not even pace yourself I tell everybody who's watching the world cup now I'm like pace yourself this is the longest world cup we've ever had this is the most packed world cup we've ever had pace yourself don't get too angry don't get too happy unless you're Turkish and it's Turkish yeah yeah you can go crazy but otherwise enjoy it I'll say this there isn't a I am enjoying the also the fact that for more weeks is you know our watch party is you know we've built we built a community it's funny it's really feels like a family and then every week that passes because you keep reading out certain names yeah and I think every week that passes feels like oh we're getting to know more yeah we're building this like a little village yeah no it's really it's really beautiful and I don't know where four weeks are going to take us maybe we're going to be meeting this because it feels like now we are dating you know but you're not really you know you're dating but I don't trust you yet to meet my friends but maybe four weeks from now who knows I know you never know we'll see how it goes but you know this was fun man as always my friend brother pleasure I just said the fact that I have to agree with you at some point but oh man you know as as Gianni infantino says the world cup brings people together who never imagined they could be together and even Joe and Trevor can agree sometimes and because of the world cup no it's beautiful man it's beautiful I'm looking forward to more ways man thank you again so much for the sponsor of today's episode Mazda Mazda delivers confidence and control in every single drive and consumer reports safest new car brand award proves it you know there's a phrase I really like a lot can happen When an accident dozens. 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