The podcast discusses the concepts of personal branding versus building a reputation. Personal branding emphasizes self-promotion and constructing a projected image, which can lead to perceptions of arrogance, inauthenticity, and insecurity. On the other hand, building a reputation involves sharing authentic work and ideas to reveal character honestly. Dual promotion is highlighted as a technique where individuals promote themselves while also acknowledging and promoting others, fostering collaboration and reducing perceived threats. Ultimately, the emphasis is on adding value, inspiring others, and being genuine in interactions to create a strong reputation rather than focusing solely on self-promotion.
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I was in the conference room waiting to meet with a client, and I saw the magazine on the
coffee table in the reception area.
In the late 90s, Debbie Millman was advising companies on branding. She picked up an issue
of Fast Company, and the cover stopped her in her tracks. It was unlike anything she'd
seen before. It was this very dramatically designed cover, oranges, and very powerful colors.
The cover looked like an ad for Tied Laundry Detergent with its big blue lettering, but
instead of saying Tied Laundry Detergent, it said, "A brand called you."
A brand called you. As of this moment, you are going to think of yourself differently.
You're not an employee of General Motors. You're not a staffer at General Mills. You
don't belong to any company for life, and your chief affiliation isn't to any particular
function. You're not defined by your job title, and you're not confined to your job
description. Starting today, you are a brand.
The cover story talked about this new construction of our corporate selves that was required
in the modern marketplace. I was struck by this brand thinking. It seemed really sexy.
It seemed a way to leverage who you were in a bigger, more significant, more statuesque
kind of way.
Since then, it's become a mantra. If you want to succeed in your career, you need to
build your personal brand. LinkedIn is littered with personal branding advice, and you can
hire consultants, coaches, and influencers to help you build your Instagram brand. The
idea of a personal brand might sound harmless, maybe even useful. After all, in a competitive
world, it's good to be known for something. But trying to build a brand is the wrong way
to do it.
People can own brands. They can create brands. They can manage brands. They can design brands.
But once you start to construct yourself as a brand, I believe that you forfeit everything
that is the best part of being human.
You're not a product. You don't need to market yourself in a shiny package. What you want
to build is a reputation.
I'm Adam Grant, and this is WorkLife, my podcast with Ted. I'm an organizational psychologist.
I study how to make work not suck. In this show, we explore how to unlock the potential
in people and workplaces. Today, the case against personal branding.
When you hear the word brand, what comes to mind? Apple? Nike? Amazon? These companies
spend billions carefully crafting an image. They want you to associate them with particular
values. Apple's brand is anchored on design and innovation. Nike's revolves around sport
and excellence. Amazon's focuses on customer obsession. When you build a personal brand,
you apply the same logic to yourself.
Building a personal brand helps you stand out in a crowded market.
Investing in your personal brand is investing in your future.
And today's digital landscape, having a strong personal brand, is no longer optional. It's
essential.
It's essential.
It's essential. You need to.
Do it.
You have to.
Do it.
What are you waiting for?
I was nothing before my personal brand.
You want people to associate you with particular values and virtues. So you identify your target
audience and come up with a desired image. Maybe you want to be known in the ad industry
as a creative visionary or in the manufacturing world as a quality control master.
You put your tagline all over your social media profiles. You post the awards you won
all over your feed, #Blessed. You ask people to like your posts to boost their popularity.
You're executing a strategy to project your image to your audience. And therein lies the
problem.
I am vehemently opposed to the notion of someone aspiring to be a brand.
It's intentional, but it's also fake.
I think a personal brand is an oxymoron. When someone tries to create a personal brand,
they're manufacturing an impersonal perception.
Debbie Millman teaches a class at the School of Visual Arts. She named it ironically, "A
brand called you."
When we position ourselves as a brand, we're essentially forcing ourselves to project an
image of what we believe most people will approve of and admire and buy into.
Personal branding is fundamentally a performance. It's about appearing a certain way, not being
a certain way. And that's where it starts to get weird.
If somebody wants to risk presenting themselves as this manufactured entity, then they run
the risk of creating a level of perception that is and always will be impossible to maintain,
only because they're human.
I mean, think about it. Manufactured brands have a hard enough time staying consistent,
staying relevant, staying beloved, and we're expected to do that as a person that can't
even show up the same way every day just because they have different moods or because they
might get sick or because they might gain weight or because they might marry the wrong
person.
I mean, come on.
Personal branding runs the risk of putting your image above your identity. Your attention
centers on how you want to be seen instead of who you want to become. Your decisions
are based on the impression you want to project rather than the character you want to cultivate.
Even if you think you can solve that problem, there's another reason to be wary of personal
branding. Few people can pull it off. In a recent study at a multinational firm, people
filled out a survey about their personal branding. They rated how effective they'd been at creating
a positive image in the eyes of others and making themselves known in their fields. People
who thought they'd created a strong personal brand rated themselves as more successful
and more employable. But they didn't do better on objective metrics. They didn't get higher
performance ratings or get paid more than their peers.
The idea that I'm going to be a brand myself, promoting yourself in that way, is unlikely
to lead to extrinsic types of career success like more money and promotions.
Mark Bolino is a management professor at the University of Oklahoma and a leading expert
on impression management. Impression management involves using behaviors to create a certain
image in other people's eyes. You're trying to make people see you in a certain way. And
so you engage in certain types of behaviors to facilitate that image.
To build a personal brand, the go-to behavior is self-promotion, advertising your talents
and accomplishments. There's a time and a place for that.
In a job interview, it's perfectly appropriate to self-promote. The research shows that in
interview context, that's the one place that promoting yourself works.
But it turns out that self-promotion is ineffective in most situations and counterproductive in
some.
Most of what I've read and researched myself on self-promotion really just points out a
lot of the downsides. It works best when people don't know things about you. In the workplace,
people know a lot of things about you. And so how you act on a regular basis, that's
what really matters.
When you try to promote your personal brand, you take three risks.
One, it can make you look self-absorbed. Self-promotion violates social norms of humility.
Research shows that when people constantly advertise their own achievements, they're
seen as arrogant, unfriendly, and self-centered.
You want to be seen as competent, but a lot of times you're seen as sort of conceited.
And if you're a woman, the backlash is even stronger. Unfortunately, due to gender stereotypes,
the position women is modest and other-oriented. People react more negatively to self-promotion
by women than men.
Women can be seen as more competent when they use self-promotion, but they're seen as less
warm. And so that's a real double-edged sword there.
Some minorities often face similar challenges.
There's a study about African-American employees using self-promotion and it completely backfires.
And so the way people make judgments about those who self-promote and those who engage
in impression management aren't necessarily fair.
The second risk of promoting your personal brand is that it can make you look fake. A
carefully curated, sparkling personal brand can actually damage your credibility. There's
evidence that when everything seems too perfect, it can cast doubt on your authenticity.
Authenticity is the key with impression management. And so anytime you seem inauthentic, this is
when things are going to backfire.
We trust people who are real, vulnerable, and multi-dimensional, not those who seem like
they're managing their own PR.
An obvious exception is social media influencers, but they're professional performers. Their
personal brand is literally their job. They know it and their audience knows it.
The third risk of promoting your personal brand is that it can make you look insecure.
Research shows that pervasive boasting is a sign of narcissism.
People who are secure in their success and status don't need to incessantly broadcast
how great they are.
Psychologists have long found that this creates a paradox.
The paradox is that the people who are the most competent don't need to self-promote
and the people who are least confident are the ones who engage in the most self-promotion.
Of course, this doesn't mean you should ignore your image altogether. It's well documented
that people who don't think about impression management at all end up limiting their own
success.
Instead of focusing on building a brand, I think it's more productive to focus on building
a portfolio of work.
This is a major theme of Debbie Milman's class.
Yeah, it's the difference between a sort of calculated construction of self and developing
a body of work that reveals original ideas.
I think that sharing who you are is a wonderful thing. If you're showing your character, if
you're building a reputation, that's great. It's when you begin to position that behavior
as a brand. That's when I think it becomes problematic.
Tell me what the difference is between thinking about building a reputation and building a
personal brand.
Building a reputation is done through the removal of self through your work. You're
offering your ideas to the public. They're your ideas. They're your paintings. They're
your essays. They're your music. They're your performance. They're not you, but you have
created them and that's what you're offering. That's what you're sharing. You're not really
sharing yourself when you've created a personal brand. You're sharing a projection of yourself.
So there's a barrier between who you are and what you're projecting. When you're sharing
your work, you're actually sharing something that you've made. When you share your personal
brand, you're sharing something that you construct. There's a huge difference.
Instead of promoting yourself, you focus on promoting your ideas. Rather than obsessing
over how you're perceived, you concentrate on how you can contribute. Self promotion
says, "Look at me. I'm amazing." Idea promotion says, "Look at this. I have something
worth sharing." This is something I've thought about from the day I started posting on social
media. You might think I have a personal brand, but I never set out to build one. I made a
conscious decision not to broadcast accomplishments or awards. In fact, my goal was to post as
little about myself as possible. I took it as a good sign when people complained that
I didn't tell enough personal stories. My focus has always been on sharing insights.
It's mine, but far more often by shining a spotlight on other people's work.
If people want to consider something, a brand let them. People can think however they want
to think. I think that it's more important to understand how you present yourself in
the world, how you live and engage and contribute your ideas to the world.
Image shouldn't be your goal. It should be a byproduct of how you pursue your goals.
But sometimes your contributions are invisible. Sometimes people don't know the value you
create. So how do you make sure you're building your reputation? More on that after the break.
Let me just say, you sent me this email with what I think is the greatest resume ever written.
You're kidding me.
This is a bold standard for me. Chevy Cook is in the U.S. Army. He says an interesting
thing about the army is that you actually wear a lot of your resume right on your uniform.
The medals, the badges, the tabs, they all tell a story.
But those accolades don't tell the full story. So when Chevy was meeting his new boss, a
Navy admiral for the first time, he did something bold. The resume he submitted didn't just
include his accomplishments. It also featured this educational institutions. I was rejected
by Harvard times to graduate school of education and the business school, Stanford University,
Cornell University, University of North Carolina, NYU, Chevy had written a failure resume. Along
with school rejections, it had awards. He wasn't nominated for professional opportunities.
He didn't get and selected leadership failures.
When I was a team leader for a small special operations team, I was removed from that position
and the commander tried to actually give me a general officer memorandum of reprimand,
which is a type of document that would actually end an officer's career and kick me out of
the army. Seer school, it's a survival school. I had to go to that school twice.
His resume even featured personal failures.
I've shown my oldest daughter too much of my temper. I have been not emotionally supportive
enough for my wife. I have not cultivated a better relationship with my birth parents.
When Chevy had the idea to create a failure resume, people warned him not to do it. They
said it would ruin his reputation that he would lose the respect of his superiors, but
he shared his failure resume anyway. And it prompted his new boss to share a moment he
had with his own kids. They immediately formed a connection.
Not because we were service members, not because I was going to work for him, but because I
shared something with him that he couldn't find out unless I shared it with him. I think
it helped me get standing in immediate trust in a job.
I wondered if that was an isolated incident, but Chevy didn't stop there. He posted his
failure resume on LinkedIn for the world to see.
I had people coming all out of the Woolworth telling me like Chevy, do you know what you
just did to yourself? Do you know how you just ruined your career?
Instead of deleting the post, Chevy shared his failure resume with a class of cadets he
was teaching at the Military Academy.
The reaction was very positive. A lot of them started talking about their own things that
had happened in their life and being more open to not only coming to me, but then going
to their peers.
I mean, there's information in here that you're definitely and clearly not proud of.
Yeah, absolutely.
So how did you feel going into that?
So every time I feel the same way, I feel that the one instance, confident knowing who
I am, you know, I got this idea about integrity. It goes back to the root word integer. I want
to be a whole, right? So I want to show all. So I have this confidence of what I am going
to show actually who I am. It can be nerve wracking, but that's also okay.
Chevy is now a Lieutenant Colonel in the US Army and he shares his failure resume with
everyone he works with.
I've had more people tell me to continue to do it than I have had people that tell
me not to. I think it keeps me humble. It keeps me at least accountable to others because
they see that things are on there.
By sharing his failures, Chevy isn't trying to build a brand. He's aiming to reveal his
character. That's a key difference between building a brand and building a reputation.
A brand is a curated image of how you want to be seen. A reputation is a complete view
of what you're like. You're not just trying to make a positive impression. You're trying
to help people form an accurate impression of you. And the best way to do that is to
be honest about yourself.
You may not be ready to share your failure resume with the world, but building a strong
reputation is about creating balance in what you share about yourself. It involves showing
your limitations as well as your gifts, and concern for others as well as yourself. You're
focused on adding value, not just vanity. There are lots of ways to get your work seen
without getting braggy. In fact, if you don't share the interesting, useful stuff you've
created, you're doing the world a disservice. But building a strong reputation is a matter
of sharing thoughtfully.
One of Mark Bolino's favorite techniques is called dual promotion.
Dual promotion is where I'm going to promote myself, but I'm also going to promote somebody
else at the same time. So I might say something like, "Wow, I've worked on that paper with
Adam. He is so great with data analytics, and he helped me get that a journal publication
or that top publication, or he helped me get some sort of publicity that I was seeking.
I'm getting credit for the one thing, but I'm giving credit to the person who helped
me or I'm promoting somebody else at the same time."
When people know that you support others, they're less likely to feel threatened by
your success. Insecurity often stops people from sharing credit, but that's a mistake.
Elevating others elevates you.
The bottom line is trying to help other people. You're trying to inspire them. You're trying
to raise them up. You may benefit at the same time, but the other goal is that you're helping
other people.
So the perception of the primary motives matters a lot.
For sure, yeah. If people just in their gut say, "This person is just looking out for
themselves," then that's where I think you get all these sort of negative attributions
and evaluations from other people. You're not going to be seen as likable, and you're
going to be seen a little bit as a braggart, that sort of thing.
So if you're in sales and you want to announce that you closed a big deal, thank the person
who gave you the referral. And if you're a writer, you can focus on sharing the critical
insight from your latest story rather than the award at one, and shine a spotlight on
the people who helped make it happen.
There's one more way to share your accomplishments without sounding insufferable. Just ask Snoop Dogg.
When he got his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, he gave a speech that went viral.
He thanked his fans. He thanked his mentors. And then he did something unexpected.
It's called humor bragging, and it's actually supported by research. Across six studies,
job applicants and entrepreneurs were more successful in getting hired and funded when
they joked about their capabilities. One example, I have a proven track record of turning caffeine
input into productivity output. It signals confidence and warmth and humility at the
same time. But the best kind of promotion is the kind you don't have to do yourself.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. When we hear people promote themselves, we tend to discount it.
When other people talk you up, it's more credible. Maybe a manager references your
skills in a leadership meeting, or a coworker casually praises your work in a conversation
with another colleague. There's even some studies that say, even if the third party
has some interest in you being promoted, that they still receive the self-promotion more
favorably. So, yeah, if you can avoid promoting yourself and have somebody else do it for
you, that is going to be more effective. At the end of the day, whether people are willing
to promote you depends on the reputation you've earned. And that rests less on the
claims you make than the actions you take. Our image is the cumulative effect of all
of our behavior. This is one of these things where actions speak more loudly than words,
right? I mean, people see what your behavior is, how you act on a regular basis. That's
what really matters. Throughout my career, one of my regular actions has been to be open
about my failures. It's an expression of my commitment to learning and growth. From
day one, I've been candid about embarrassing moments in my classes and bad decisions in
my talks and books. But I've never put the major lowlights all in one place, until now.
I failed to make the middle school basketball team all three years, and then was cut from
the high school soccer team. I failed the basic writing test as a college freshman. I
co-founded Harvard's first online social network, but failed to start Facebook. I failed
to finish my four years as an NCAA diver. I was rejected by the University of Virginia
for my first teaching job. I failed to invest in Warby Parker when one of the founders was
in my class. I was rejected multiple times to give a TED Talk for three straight years.
And I failed to look like a normal human my first time on TV, and ended up getting roasted
by Jimmy Kimmel. On a personal note, I've often failed to show sympathy to my kids when
they're upset. I often jump right to solutions. I've consistently failed to show up on time
for events with my family. And as discussed on this show a few months ago, I've regularly
failed to wait for my wife Alison when we're walking places. Working on that one right
now. Building a reputation is not about manufacturing an image. It's about leading with integrity.
The best way to earn respect is to align your daily actions with your lasting values.
This episode was produced by Brittany Cronin. Our team includes Daphne Chen, Constanza Gallardo,
Greta Kohn, Grace Rubinstein, Daniela Bala Rezzo, Banban Cheng, Alejandra Salazar, and
Roxanne Hilash. Our fact checker is Paul Durbin. Our show is mixed by Sarah Bruguetre, original
music by Hans Dale Sue and Alison Leighton-Brown. For their evidence, gratitude to the following
researchers and their colleagues, Sergei Gorbitov on personal brand equity, Alison Fergale
and Lori Rudman on the risks of self-promotion, Anna Bruch on the beautiful mess effect, Timo
Nams and Konstantin Sudikides on narcissism, Susan Fisk on warmth and competence, David
Day and Michael Wilmot on self-monitoring, Eric Van Epps on dual promotion, Dan Cable
and Virginia Kay on self-verification, Eugene Kim and Teresa Glom on Get Smarty Pants, Adam
Goulinski on status and security, Eileen Chow on humor bragging, and Christina Fong on having
others sing your praises. Shout out to Stevie Lane, Gabriel Hunter Chang, and Izzy Carter
for lending their voices. And thanks to Tom Peters for putting personal branding on the
map, for better or worse.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Personal branding involves projecting an image of oneself as a brand, focusing on self-promotion and image projection.
Building a reputation involves sharing authentic work and ideas to reveal character rather than projecting a curated image.
Dual promotion involves promoting oneself while also highlighting and crediting others, fostering collaboration and reducing threats of insecurity.
Summary:
The podcast discusses the concepts of personal branding versus building a reputation. Personal branding emphasizes self-promotion and constructing a projected image, which can lead to perceptions of arrogance, inauthenticity, and insecurity. On the other hand, building a reputation involves sharing authentic work and ideas to reveal character honestly.
Dual promotion is highlighted as a technique where individuals promote themselves while also acknowledging and promoting others, fostering collaboration and reducing perceived threats. Ultimately, the emphasis is on adding value, inspiring others, and being genuine in interactions to create a strong reputation rather than focusing solely on self-promotion.
FAQs
Building a personal brand involves constructing a projected image of yourself, while building a reputation focuses on sharing your work and character honestly.
Self-promotion can make you appear self-absorbed, fake, or insecure, impacting how others perceive you.
You can use humor bragging, share credit with others through dual promotion, or let others speak positively about you to enhance credibility.
Creating a strong personal brand may not lead to actual success, as perceived success may not align with objective achievements.
Focus on adding value, sharing your limitations as well as your gifts, and supporting others to elevate yourself positively.
Dual promotion involves promoting yourself while giving credit to others, reducing threats to others and enhancing your likability and credibility.
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