Woman Lures Boys into Public Bathroom to SA Them, Secretly Recorded for Her Husband to Edit

there is no way to anticipate a stomach drop moment even when you're on a roller coaster i mean i guess you can anticipate it but you can't really time it exactly nor can you prevent it just because you know it's coming i feel like there have been times on roller coasters where you think if you clench as hard as possible you're not gonna feel it but you're going to that stomach drop feeling you're gonna feel it it's because your abdominal organs are not bolted to your skeleton they're essentially in place thanks to gravity but when you're at the top of a roller coaster plunging downward you enter near free fall the seat stops pushing you up and for a second or two you are effectively weightless so that's why your stomach feels like it's dropping because it kind of is this is a very oversimplified explanation that i'm sure some doctor out there is going to be upset about but that same feeling interestingly happens when you receive really bad dreaded news that you were not expecting even if you're expecting some bad news but it's not the exact kind that you're expecting your stomach could still have that dropping feeling i mean technically it's weird because there's no physical movement in the body but somehow your brain classifies something as a threat and within seconds you enter fight-or-flight mode which means blood is yanked from your gut adrenaline cortisol they divert the blood from the digestive tract to your heart your brain and your limb muscles basically when you're at the top of a roller coaster you're enter fight or flight your system has evolved to handle physical threats by shutting down digestion and it's actually the stillness of your stomach so when you are in a normal mode your stomach there's constant rhythm that you may not even consciously notice because you're constantly digesting but when you have that instant moment of maybe it lasts even a fraction of a second everything stills in your stomach and it's because we were evolved that we would shut down digestion because if you were to sprint away from imminent danger digesting lunch is a luxury that fleeing animals cannot afford and that stillness feels like a stomach drop july 20th 2026 so this year body cam footage is uploaded to youtube and it's not um it's not like one of those deep dive cases it's more so one of those channels that uploads body cam footage without adding in much commentary so they're not all so simultaneously going through the foia like a lot of really good videos but they're not all so simultaneously going through the foia like a good channels do they just kind of upload the footage make some small comments but that's about it the body cam footage includes a young woman being arrested she's quite hysterical about her arrest she acts like this is complete and utter nonsense it's coming as a shock to her as if there is not video the police have found of her essaying a 13 year old boy in a public restroom that she recorded that she recorded and then handed it off to her husband who then edited the video why do you need to edit this video i mean first of all why do you have this video but why do you need to edit the video but she's almost shocked that the police are putting her in handcuffs that body cam footage does not gain a lot of attention it's short there's not a lot of publicly available information out there and aside from her very bizarre shock and aside from that there's not much else to the footage that you can dive deeper into or at least that's what people thought a few months later we were on the phone and i was like oh my god i'm so scared and i was like oh my god i'm so scared to be on a call with a girl named talia in what we thought would be completely unrelated matters turns out it wasn't she said she was explaining to us that she was watching one of our videos and she says quote not exactly sure the title but it was a sit-down interview with a woman about a similar situation about her mom and her mom's boyfriend i remember watching it and it really helped me just to be able to have conversations with even my therapist it takes a moment and then she says i think the title of the episode was her parents were pedophiles that free fall moment is made even worse when the connection between the body cam footage without much detail of this woman and this 13 year old boy in the videos recorded in the public restroom when all of that and talia's story start merging together and they're all involved this is the case of john and brianna nethers and why the hell it took so long to catch we would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for rotten mango to directly support a survivor in today's case this episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support rotten mango's team of dedicated researchers we'd also like to thank you guys for your continued support as always full show notes are available at rottenmangopodcast.com please take breaks if you need to for this episode there's going to be quite a few mentions of grooming essay csa c sam and one or two brief mentions of animal cruelty please watch with discretion and prioritize your health talia is not the real name of the survivor that we spoke to we have given her a pseudonym so she can have more privacy going through the legal process of this we were also able to do as much verification as possible with the foia that we have given her so she can have more privacy going through the legal process of this we were also able to do as much verification as possible with the received on our end but this is an active and open case there was a lot of verifying that we did with talia but it's it is unraveling in court and like any other case until someone is proven guilty in the court of law they are innocent until proven guilty so with that being said let's begin we had an overwhelming amount of emails in a single day which i think is a huge privilege for us to have that many people trust us with what's happening in their lives but with every email we get we get a lot of emails and we get a lot of emails and we get a lot of emails that the rm team goes through we do take a lot of time to figure out ways to be of use if we are even of use to people to respond and to also vet the information one recent email that we've received reads in part this might come as a strange email talia the author of the email says i was sexually abused for about five to six years as a child from when i was around six and seven years old to up until i was about 12 years old by my mother's boyfriend at the time she was not aware and i was too scared to tell her until we were completely out of the situation she says that she and her mother initially went to the police made a report that case is dropped and then nothing happens for eight to nine years so talia is early 20s now nothing happens there's nothing being done nothing being investigated until almost a decade later now it's been eight nine years add a few years on top of that a detective picks up the case and then it gets dropped again until three months before this email came out and she said i was sexually abused for about five to six years and then it gets dropped again until three months before this email is sent out of nowhere another detective calls talia asking if she's going to be willing to testify against the man who abused her but there was no investigation done into her abuse and he's not even charged with anything that had to do with talia which means what else did he do and who else did he hurt talia's original email to us was not even asking for really anything like she wasn't asking for help she wasn't asking for trying to get the police involved she was just saying like i don't know what's going on what's going on what's going on what's going on what's going on what's going on what's going on what's going on what's going on what's going on what's going on what's going on we were given the names of the two individuals in the email as well as talia linked some news articles about their arrests so she told us that she was abused by john nethers as a child for years like she's six to twelve years old she's abused by this man repeatedly being essayed by the person who was trying to be her stepdad not that she ever saw him as a father figure but the charges that he has been arrested for are not those crimes so the first thing we did is a precursory search into the two names we were given the first news article about them is a local news station licking county couple indicted for child sex charges after secretly taping minors in restroom the article reads in part a licking county couple was indicted thursday for ccm charges after they allegedly taped sexual encounters involving minors in a public restroom 43 year old john nethers and 23 year old brie anna nethers were arrested when newark police served a search warrant in connection with a rape and ccm investigation john nethers is who talia named in the email but who the hell is brianna nethers i mean clearly it's his wife they're married but is that all according to our online research brianna nethers the wife would hide a camera on her purse like a button camera it looks like a button lure a 13 year old boy into the public restroom where they would quote engage in sexual activity the whole thing is being recorded by a hidden camera in her purse she also apparently set up a hidden camera she would go into the women's restroom so this is without the 13 year old she would go into public women's restrooms and throw her purse on the dirty bathroom floor so that it can see up the stalls next to her and record whoever is in there it appears the target were girls minors the criminal complaint reads that some of the videos they found quote one video depicts defendant brianna entering public restroom in newark and setting up a hidden camera hidden on her purse defendant brianna then goes and finds a young male which she brings to the bathroom and does something sexual with him npd was able to identify the male in the video and he was a 13 year old juvenile the other video shows defendant brianna placing the hidden camera on her purse on the floor in a public restroom the video shows her manipulating the camera to view the stall besides her the video is 13 minutes in length and shows several women using the bathroom several of the people depicted are prepubescent females depicted in a state of nudity then john the husband would take the footage from the hidden cameras and then he would them on his laptop like he's creating some sort of sick and twisted movie. That is what John and Brianna Nethers get arrested for. When Talia has spent the past decade trying to get the police to open an investigation into John Nethers and now they want her to potentially testify against him but why didn't the police investigate him sooner? I started looking into the two social media accounts one for John Nethers and for Brianna Nethers although they have different social media handles. Brianna Nethers was an OF model. Her OnlyFans account seems to have been taken down since her arrest but I did go through her ex-account and it is a lot of what you would imagine just videos of her promoting her OnlyFans account. I mean logistically speaking there are some videos I don't quite understand. Like okay so there are videos from her ex-account and John Nethers' TikTok where it seems like both of them are very much into the gym life. They're gym buffs. They go and they work out in what appears to be a real public gym or at least one of those membership gyms. LA Fitness, Equinox, whatever have you right. It doesn't seem to be a private gym. I'm like looking at all the corners. It doesn't look like a gym in someone's garage. It doesn't look like a gym in someone's basement. It looks like a public gym but Brianna is just doing barbell squats with a small tiny sports bra and a thong. What? Yeah I which seems not only a little uncomfortable it just seems more than a little unhygienic and as John Nethers much of his social media presence is his photography business. The closest thing to describing his photography might be boudoir but really I mean I do feel like that's like an insult to modern boudoir photography. Boudoir is intimate and sensual pictures of individuals in a very private setting. So opposed to like a family photo in front of a pumpkin patch or like wearing all white in front of the annual beach vacation. It's usually just one person in their bedroom or a set that looks like a family photo in front of a pumpkin patch or like wearing all white in front of the annual beach vacation. So opposed to like a family photo in front of a pumpkin patch or like a bedroom or a bathtub perhaps. Maybe wearing lingerie. So not completely nude but sometimes it can also be like an unbuttoned dress shirt without a bra a little side boob. Anything that feels very flirty but not super editorial. So it doesn't feel like playboy but it also doesn't feel like vogue. It is supposed to be sensual. It's supposed to hit that feeling and it's usually picked by the subject of the shoot themselves. That is a big part of modern photography. Modern boudoir. It's supposed to be empowering for the subject of the shoot. This is definitely different from boudoir's origins. It seems to have started as a version of semi-nude or soft explicit content produced solely for men. So back then women were paid to undress pose and the picture was a product for men. But now boudoir photography has completely evolved into very empowering and passionate self-expression. Now women are paying a photographer so they can have these photos and they decide who sees the photos, what to do with the photos. There's even a trend on TikTok which I mean it's been a trend for ages but it's a modern take on the boudoir photos where the TikTok is a groom's reaction. So throughout the wedding either the bridesmaids or the bride herself will hand Polaroids or boudoir photo shoot pictures printed to the groom throughout the wedding. Yeah it wasn't a trend when anyway. Okay sorry but it's like a cute little surprise. And I think that's like the most common trend for boudoir photography. And these TikToks they get millions of views not because the photos are being shown but it's just the groom's reaction to the partners that feel very very special. So it's it's about being empowered by your own sensuality. A lot of examples of people I mean I was deep in the Reddit threads. Other people who do boudoir photos are women who feel that they are approaching an age where they just want to look younger. Or even women who have survived breast cancer or double mastectomies might take these boudoir style photos as a way to come back into their body and their sexuality. There's no partner required. It's just a very empowering moment. Sometimes it's not even the photos that help. Some people report on Reddit it's just the process of posing in a comfortable space with a photographer that helps you showcase your beauty and that's boudoir. Which is a very stark contrast to John Nethers work. Like maybe it's hindsight maybe it's just my personal opinion. I'm not a professional photographer nor do I know the ins and outs of each photography genre but frankly I think the way that he shoots boudoir does not feel empowering. Just looking at the photos of the half-naked women on his page I feel like I shouldn't be looking. It doesn't feel it kind of is like you know that quote that was going around for photographers or fashion designers of you can tell when a designer or photographer really loves women. It just does not feel that way for John. You cannot tell from his photography in my opinion. And it doesn't seem that he likes women. He loves himself. He likes his own perception of women and how their presence in a photo serves him is the feeling that I get. And maybe this is just woo-woo analytical. I'm thinking too deep into it and it's not even art. But I just wanted to be sure that although his photography may be referred to as boudoir-esque it's really not a fair comparison. His photos just don't feel like it. He's not a photographer. He's not a feel like a true appreciation of the female figure. I have no way of knowing it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he were hiring women to pose for him and not the other way around. Instead of focusing on making the shoot a comfortable environment, a lot of it feels very male gaze. There's a few photographs that also seem to border the line into kink or what is called erotica photography, which is again a completely perfectly fine genre. As long as there's informed consent, everybody is of age. I think it's beautiful, right? But knowing what he's been charged with, it doesn't feel like a real representation of that genre either. But to give you an idea and some context, kink photography is typically nude, and it can range from vanilla, softer styles, to full kinks with multiple colors, and to a lot of different colors. So if you're a kink photographer, you subjects, full nudity, depictions of BDSM. But still, usually the subjects are willing participants and want these photos for their own pleasure. It's not like a predatory photographer forcing models into inappropriate environments. There are a few NSFW, Not Safe for Work, AMA, Ask Me Anythings that we went into, Reddit pages about the kink photographers and their experience, and it just paints a very interesting picture. One photographer said that he is a professional rigger. He said, I'm not a professional rigger. I'm not a professional rigger. I'm not a professional photographer. So a rigger is someone kind of like, I guess, rigger in the studio sense of people who do the rigging for the lights and the cameras, right? But in the BDSM world, they have riggers of professional people who know how to tie rope, who know how to tie people up, who excel in that genre of extracurricular activities. So he says, I shoot with a lot of rope, and I'm very close with a rigger who I trust. So I'm not a professional rigger. I'm not a model. I'm not a model. I'm not a to the client and is on standby in case the client suddenly wants to stop and wants to get out of the ropes. It's almost like having an intimacy coordinator for simulated intimate scenes in movies. And I've seen a lot of the pictures and they're really artistic. So you see a lot of women that are sometimes even suspended with rope, but you can tell the way that the rope is tied. It's, I mean, these are really complex ties and they're used to enhance her figure. So it's not just binding her up so she can't move. It's almost like the ropes are used against her own body to enhance certain parts to hide certain parts. It's like a very interesting. Yeah, I mean, it was just it looks very artistic. That is not what is happening on john others's Instagram page. Is the page still up? Yeah, it is. There are a few photos on there where seemingly nude women are tied up in rope. And that type of bondage to me, simulates more kidnapping more than BDSM. Because again, a lot of rope usage in BDSM is a very beautiful expression. And I understand that some people like you know, they but the way that it's shown the energy that is coming off the picture like there is a picture of a topless woman and she's in chains. And it just feels a little dark. Especially knowing what he did. Yes, if I didn't know that he was charged with anything, I might think okay, well, maybe this is not my style of photography that I would be interested in. But it's just some of the rope bondage, the pictures, the subject will be wearing a mask. One of them looks like her mouth has been sewn shut. They all have this gray and blue hue. Some of the women, they always have this like dazed look in their eyes, where it looks like I mean, some of them their eyes are closed. And it almost appears like underwater photography like they're washing ashore after they've been kidnapped. Like that's kind of it's very suffocating feeling. And that's just the style of photography that he likes to take the term cheesecake is not just to describe food back then it was the publicly acceptable term for semi-nude women because even saying pin-up was considered taboo so they would just call them cheesecakes yeah so people would be like i was on reddit and someone said oh yeah my grandpa would say he's gonna go eat cheesecake and he would just go um self-pleasure to some filthy magazines yeah but that was back in the day it's not really a commonly known term it's actually the reddit threads that i found cheesecake on it's all today i learned back in the day people used to refer to pin-up as cheesecake i rarely see it used in the modern sense john nethers's instagram profile has a lot of references to cheesecakes along with a lot of pictures of women that are semi or barely clothed we were scrolling through every single page every single caption trying to hit the hashtags to see what else came up if there community beyond john nethers that were posting similar photos i would say that his instagram is enlightening and not enlightening at the same time there's so much that we were trying to gather and then so much where we just kept second guessing ourselves for example some people believe that your favorite philosopher says a lot about who you are as a person one person theorizes online if your favorite philosopher is socrates you know nothing about philosophy you're just listing out the most generic philosopher to sound good people say you like plato you're very into theater and drama maybe you're not a full well-done theater kid but like a medium well theater kid confucius they say you are a teacher's pet who likes to snitch on the class and you're also so fucking old aristotle is great but if you're into one of the stoics then you fall into two different camps of stoics if your favorite philosopher is a stoic you're either a ryan holiday bro stoic self-improvement stoic right that you like stoicism because you think you're cool or you're an academic stoic and apparently these two groups of stoics fucking hate each other okay usually the best way to tell is if you're into marcus aurelius you're a bro stoic if you're into seneca maybe you're more an academic stoic usually the people who get the most judgment though are very passionate fans of nietzsche some people think okay well if you like nietzsche it's just a joke but if you like nietzsche you're a pro stoic if you like nietzsche you're a pro stoic okay some people think nietzsche is an incel gateway it's really up in the air okay one person says if nietzsche is your favorite philosopher you may for some reason try to awkwardly use his philosophy to justify things like hustle culture gym culture cryptocurrency for some reason or you're just a highly critical person who doesn't trust other people and he prefers to do things their own way john nethers quotes nietzsche in one of his captions and it's not even one of his good quotes either it's just i am a four and a knight of dark trees but he who is not afraid of my darkness will find banks full of roses under my cypresses i mean it's as straightforward of a nietzsche quote as you can actually get like some of his quotes they're misinterpreted like god is dead or whatever but this one is pretty straightforward it just means that as one can appear very gloomy and intimidating at nietzsche himself he writes in a very strongly masculine and aggressive way that alienates a lot of people he is probably one of the most important people in the world and i think that's why he's kind of one of the more misunderstood philosophers regardless but he is almost indicating that if you can get past that there is some light and warmth inside cypresses are also often symbols of death and mourning so saying like once you get past the cypresses there are rose bushes underneath the cypresses is kind of and roses are a constant symbol of beauty love and tenderness so it's it's basically saying whoever has the courage to enter my darkness right you're gonna realize that i'm filled with unexpected warmth and beauty inside i don't think that's hardly the case at all for john nethers his instagram is like a portfolio with mostly uploaded pictures being models or photo shoots and it never looks like a very personal look into his life but even with these seemingly professional shot and edited pictures he often pairs them with these cheesy little captions i guess he thinks he's being quirky i don't know one reads haters gonna hate but god damn if one percent milk doesn't do a body good i don't know if that's true but i don't think that's true i don't think that's true i don't know if this is like a big against big oat big almond i don't know who he's got beef with but another one reads what are the photos attached to these kind of quotes his wannabe boudoir photos yeah another one is some of you need to make sure you're wearing your latex masks you know who you are karens of the world so i don't know if this is him trying to reference condoms or who knows it's kind of the off-brand humor where one tries to make sure that you're wearing your laced to be quirky but it just comes off like slightly aggressive and dense another instagram post is of a girl with a black veil on top of her head john captions it i keep having dreams that i'm doing laundry and i have to pay a it's a slur used for um little people to keep an eye out for sock thieves and then i saw another insert slur looking in the window wearing a black mask little bastards have a racket going on and my dream bank account is shrinking see it's so off-brand it doesn't make any sense to me i don't know if this is him trying to reference condoms or who knows there's no point there's no punch line it's not even just bad humor it's like frankly dumb humor it's not even witty and bad it's just bad i don't understand what it is another picture is of a girl who appears to be on the beach and you just see her back the caption reads today's life lesson never leave post-it notes in the cheese stick section that say dairy dildos and again i think the juxtaposition of these wannabe funny captions with women's pictures of them where they are semi or fully nude i think just goes to show like he's not a photographer that wants women to feel empowered it's also just not professional he also makes edgy jokes that he probably thinks are politically sharp-witted but it's just devastatingly unoriginal and mediocre he posts a very very sensual picture of a woman lying on her back barely covering her chest and the caption to that reads i now identify as a spoon so this is probably some sort of dig at people who you get it and he says from now on you must acknowledge me as sir spoon as you grovel upon my feet or you will hurt my feelings and force me into my safe space another caption why is there a thing named grapefruit when there's a fruit named grape already hashtag woke af another reads i wish it could have been born with octopus arms and a bigger mouth just imagine the possibilities heart eye emoji you get the idea he seems insufferable to be around but as we were scrolling and subconsciously rolling our eyes around him he said i don't know what to do i don't know what to do at the same time we started seeing this very bizarre trend on his instagram and at first we thought it was strange but it's not the most alarming thing then we go on reddit and it's like okay well cheesecake can refer to pinup styles we don't see any pinup-esque photos but maybe he just like inherited this term for soft core looks and he got it from his grandpa and just adapted it but it just doesn't feel like that because the captions don't make any sense there's this one picture of a and it looks like she's in some sort of abandoned house perhaps the caption reads i just found out ihop has cheesecake pancakes what the fuck how have i missed this so this seems like an innocent genuine thought about the food about cheesecake pancakes but the cheesecake fixation just keeps growing like it started to get alarming like after the first five we were thinking okay maybe we should write some of these down because it's weird one modeling picture shows a girl and her eyes are kind of zoned out they're out of focus her um she's like i don't know what to do with this she's covered in black lace her mouth is open and it's a very haunting sensual photo i guess is the vibe that he's going for but the caption reads i've decided to start going to the cheesecake factory while wearing a different disguise so i can lie and say it's my birthday to get free cheesecake now i just need to find a dude with a hairy back so i can get supplies for my mustache okay that offbeat humor but you know more references to cheesecake not alarming quite yet we keep scrolling another one reads so there i was balls deep in a slice of salted caramel cheesecake when suddenly i woke up and realized it was a dream and i haven't had cheesecake in months why is the world so cruel it's just i mean if he has this fixation on cheesecakes i was assuming he's eating cheesecake once a week right he wants to go to cheesecake factory and pretend it's his birthday i would imagine he gets like costco frozen cheesecake that he puts in his freezer then another picture where he puts a picture of a man staring hauntingly into the camera the caption reads someone told me today that people who don't like cheesecake are unfollowing me barely and they're all fully clothed it's like men at a billiards table pool table in a suit right and he says someone told me today that people who don't like cheesecake are unfollowing me well to those people who unfollowed me and won't see this post as a result i haven't something to say to you thanks there's more for me now smiley face emoji okay that i thought that was weird one shows a girl in water it looks like her hair is covering her mouth almost like a piece of duct tape it looks like she's barely alive and i get that's probably the creative point she looks like her body has been found washed ashore in like a thriller book it's clearly not a real picture of death but that's the vibe it gives and the caption reads the beginning of the end is almost nearly over you better get your shit together and bring me cheesecake before it's too late another shows a girl standing in the forest with her hair covering her face the second one shows a girl standing in the forest with her hair covering her face the second one shows a girl standing in the forest with her hair covering her face the third one shows a girl standing in the forest with her hair covering her face the fourth one shows a girl standing in the forest caption sometimes i wrestle my inner demons and sometimes we hug and eat cheesecake i'm a hugger not a fighter then another i was just asked if i wanted normal or organic cheesecake clearly i don't want cheesecake with grass growing out of it rolling eyes emoji okay so this one i'm like it's kind of weird oh my god yeah i don't know but it was the feeling we were getting it was the feeling then another with a girl wearing a black corset looking into the distance and the caption reads the hills are alive with the sound of cheesecake oh my god oh my god then another picture of a girl laying up against the ground and she's wearing black lace in a corset her hair is covering her face and the caption reads i've decided to open a private one-person restaurant in my tree house that only serves cheesecake i'm going to be the best customer i've ever had and make millions heart eye emoji yeah i mean this is really obvious way she's trying to play he was i mean c-sam charges right so make millions cheesecake restaurant it's it's starting to feel like he's just posting it in public yes posting it in public there's actually well we'll get there but it gets worse there's another picture of a black lace veil over her head and the caption reads clearly my new cheesecake filtration system is working fabulously which if the lace is the filtration system then that would make whoever is in the photo the cheesecake or is this like a completely unrelated caption another one shows a girl laying on what appears to be a glass coffee table and it's almost like if he took different pictures of her because her body is pressed against the glass coffee table you don't see it but it insinuates that she's nude and then over the top of her head there's a picture of a girl laid 10 different shots it's like 10 different arms and they all have that very sensual look to it she appears nude and the caption reads who let the cheesecake out at this point we're starting to get the feeling that he's not just fixated on the dessert in fact we're starting to wonder if he was ever even talking about the dessert to begin with it's just an abnormal almost unhealthy amount of conversation about cheesecakes it feels like there's a lot more captions about cheesecake than just anything else and all of the captions are accompanied by his professional photography shots of typically young ladies who are not fully clothed or are fully clothed but have dark elements of being bound covered eyes unfocused and just back-to-back captions if i had a cheesecake i would eat it in the morning i would eat it in the evening all over this land another there was a boy who had a dog and a cheesecake was his name and cheesecake was his name oh also he's charged with sexual activities with animals what yeah well we'll get to the charges then another caption and okay it's official people i'm swearing off cheesecake wait no never mind false alarm go about your business nothing to see here move along another i think someone should invent cheesecake flavored coffee creamer then i could have my cake and eat and drink it too the fuck is thomas edison when you need it i wish willie wonka had a cheesecake factory i would totally be one of the spoiled kids that he massacred oompa loompa doopity do sometimes i feel like i've got to run away i've got to eat some cheesecake the only thing i love is a fine slice of cheesecake is a warm and delicious morning sunset the moment when you realize they stopped asking for your name for reservations at the cheesecake factory because you're there more than they are big eye shy face emoji i thought for an entire month that i was going to die turns out i just needed to eat some cheesecake i'm not anti-social it's just hard to talk with a mouthful of delicious cheesecake and then there is a picture of a topless woman in bed you cannot see her face but it's a very intimate photo and the caption reads i just i really just want cheesecake for christmas not that you care then a cryptic picture of an arm hanging off the bed or like out of a tub you just really see the arm and it says sometimes beauty is served best without words thank god my mouth is full of cheesecake and my mama said it's rude to talk with your mouth full there's another a picture of someone underwater with their arms tied covering their ears and the caption reads i don't always hear voices but when i do they say eat more cheesecake another nude photo of a model this model is drop dead gorgeous but you know what else is drop dead gorgeous cheesecake dripping in hot fudge fresh strawberries and enough chocolate syrup to grant you serious hail marys in church on sunday how many are there it's just non-stop non-stop like in what world would it be feasible that this man is still talking about the dessert that he's just talking about just cheesecake there's another picture that includes a girl just staring into the camera and the caption reads i keep forgetting if i brush my teeth today and so i go and brush them to be safe i've probably brushed them 20 times already but at least i can still eat cheesecake and then this is one that we because you know i was scrolling with everyone and sometimes you know i over read into things and i don't want to be that person and i'm talking to the team about it and this is a caption that we all pointed out was very odd just individually it's it's about cheesecake it reads i will never agree to eating pie instead of cheesecake again pie more like satan sweaty old armpit boogers so if this was i mean this is a valid opinion about desserts that people have usually people tend to prefer cheesecake over pie but the fact that none of this feels like he's referencing the actual dessert and again maybe we are all thinking too deeply into it but it's just alarming none of these captions are accompanied by a single picture of actual cheesecake he does have a picture of cheesecake from years and years ago a picture of the actual cheesecake dessert but these pictures the captions that i just read you they're all of great pictures of cheesecake but the fact that none of this feels like he's referencing the actual girl's partially clothed and with these very obsessive captions about cheesecake and his love for cheesecake such as maybe if i put a taser in my pants every time i think about cheesecake it would make me think twice yeah that's crazy and then another one that was not about cheesecake but was equally alarming was a picture it's just the silhouette of a girl standing on a deserted beach at night the caption reads i hate being an adult they look at me crazy when i hold my birthday party at chuck e cheese every saturday so we started taking down notes of all the cheesecake references trying to cross reference with anything online that's being sold or suggested with the use of cheesecake we just wanted to make sure and thankfully there was really no other references that we could find at least on the the socially acceptable platforms we were on um just to give you some transparency we're talking about x reddit online i'm not i we did not go on telegram and try to infiltrate group chats and ask for cheesecake there was not even people referring to it as some sort of coded language so obviously you're not going to i mean hopefully you're not going to find any sort of illegal material on any of these social media pages but you'll still see people referencing to that coded language such as cheese pizza that's a huge thing and for example coded language is huge in the epstein files there's a lot of random words that are used that seem out of context a tad bit strange you keep rereading them and reading the same sentence hoping your reading comprehension has not abandoned you after all these years ultimately the sentence just doesn't make any sense it feels like they're talking about something else than what they're actually talking about someone sends epstein an email that reads i take higher risk in order to have higher return what has your best student achieved so far epstein is not a professor but he responds bliss the deal was worth it whoever this person is emails epstein back saying they had a good time but epstein says not good enough making happy is cheap like sweet candy it has to get you thinking otherwise it'll all fade quickly they ask epstein so girls are like candy epstein says everything is like candy they respond back to epstein you're having too much candy you want more and more and you get bored by the taste easier and faster it's a vicious cycle that is not a question it's a conclusion to which he says if you don't like candy it's better to spit it out and try another you should go back to being a student and stop attempting to philosophize it's childish and they respond i am being a student so a student of epstein's has achieved bliss and it's superior than just being happy and having a good time because being happy is cheap cheap like sweet candy but also girls are like candy the more candy you eat the more prone you are to becoming bored of said candy it's pretty clear that we're not talking about candy but it's also not like we can just go ask epstein to confirm or deny considering he had a nasty run-in with his bedsheets that we're supposed to believe and maxwell who should be rotting in max hell but she's just sitting in minimum security she's not exactly safe but she's not exactly safe but she's not exactly safe but she's not exactly a forthcoming type so the following examples of coded language in the epstein files are just speculations people believe the word sauce was used by epstein and company to describe orgies walnut allegedly for people of color hot dog allegedly for little boys ice cream allegedly for male sex workers shrimp allegedly for little boys and while all of these are speculatory it is kind of strange that all these words appear quite a bit and in a way that feels out of context some also say that grape soda appears to either be group sex so grape soda g s because kind of like taking the two letters of the words like cheese pizza epstein's urologist apparently emailed him saying you have refills available for ed pills call them back after you use them wash your hands and let's go get pizza and grape soda another email to epstein reads this is better than chinese cookie let's go for pizza and grape soda again which pizza are they saying this is better than saying like cheese pizza are they saying regular pizza are they just talking about the food pizza they say let's go for pizza and grape soda again no one else can understand another example one epstein document shows a picture of a baby they refer to that baby as shrimp and the baby is in the sink holding cocktail sauce the file reads i mean the attached email reads somewhere like shrimp you throw away the head and keep the body which again makes zero sense if you take the sentence at face value the word map has also been mentioned apparently over 5 000 times in the epstein files and map has been more or less recently defined by pdf files themselves confirming that they use maps to define a minor attracted person which is what they self-identify as that nobody fucking respects they're just pdf files in another email with the subject cream cheese baby somebody emails epstein do you want veggie cream cheese tomorrow i would go look for it now to which epstein responds rather strangely there are millions of babies very little good vegetable cream cheese which is a very odd i mean is he trying to make some sort of it's kind of like the john nethers weird wannabe quirky post where are you just making some sort of what you think is a witty sharp little comparison that is haha so unexpected or are we talking about vegetable cream cheese with babies like are they a type of baby is what some people online speculate it feels like coded language right in our face like cheese pizza cheese pizza is probably the most well-known coded term standing for the now outdated term cp in fact if you type in cheese into x many of the searches are not going to be for the dish created by italians that has been desecrated by the americans it is in reference to c-sam material not c-sam material or trying to purchase it or sell it but just talking about like oh cheese pizza was found on someone's computer right like it's used in that term in the epstein files the word pizza appears 859 times and the word cheese appears 1138 times but it's not always used together as cheese pizza in fact there seems to be more like quote-unquote cheese pizza but it's not always used together as cheese pizza in fact there seems to be more like quote-unquote cheese pizza but it's not always used together as cheese pizza in quite a bit more references to cream quite a bit more references to cream quite a bit more references to cream cheese so not cheesecake but cream cheese cheese so not cheesecake but cream cheese cheese so not cheesecake but cream cheese in cream cheese is cream cheese code for in cream cheese is cream cheese code for in cream cheese is cream cheese code for something is cheesecake code for something back to john nethers instagram page there's one picture of a girl on her knees her elbows are on on her knees her elbows are on on her knees her elbows are on the ground in a potentially suggestive the ground in a potentially suggestive the ground in a potentially suggestive pose the caption reads i feel as though pose the caption reads i feel as though pose the caption reads i feel as though there's too much cheesecake in the world there's too much cheesecake in the world there's too much cheesecake in the world and not enough time to eat it and not enough time to eat it and not enough time to eat it maybe i need a partner in crime that maybe i need a partner in crime that maybe i need a partner in crime that i don't share i don't share i don't share again if you love cheesecake so much why again if you love cheesecake so much why again if you love cheesecake so much why would you want to ever share your slice would you want to ever share your slice would you want to ever share your slice of actual dessert of actual dessert of actual dessert another picture of a girl with her hair another picture of a girl with her hair another picture of a girl with her hair holding onto a paper lamp covering their holding onto a paper lamp covering their holding onto a paper lamp covering their private parts private parts private parts so you don't see their face you don't see so you don't see their face you don't see so you don't see their face you don't see their chest but or they're down there their chest but or they're down there their chest but or they're down there but it seems like they are nude but it seems like they are nude but it seems like they are nude and the caption reads the am i gonna and the caption reads the am i gonna and the caption reads the am i gonna find a pastor on such short notice find a pastor on such short notice find a pastor on such short notice all this cheesecake isn't gonna marry all this cheesecake isn't gonna marry all this cheesecake isn't gonna marry itself yeah yeah that's yeah yeah that's yeah yeah that's then another picture of a girl in the then another picture of a girl in the then another picture of a girl in the bath with lace covering her eyes she bath with lace covering her eyes she bath with lace covering her eyes she appears to not be wearing any clothing appears to not be wearing any clothing appears to not be wearing any clothing and the caption reads i've decided today and the caption reads i've decided today and the caption reads i've decided today that my next wife will be a cheesecake that my next wife will be a cheesecake that my next wife will be a cheesecake cupcake cupcake cupcake till death do us part devil emoji till death do us part devil emoji till death do us part devil emoji skull emoji the individual in the skull emoji the individual in the skull emoji the individual in the picture was unclothed in the bathtub picture was unclothed in the bathtub picture was unclothed in the bathtub when this was taken when this was taken when this was taken you really only see you really only see you really only see her lips in the picture her the rest of her lips in the picture her the rest of her lips in the picture her the rest of her face is covered with black lace and her face is covered with black lace and her face is covered with black lace and you don't see her body thankfully but you don't see her body thankfully but you don't see her body thankfully but she was not clothed she was not clothed she was not clothed and she was not of age and she was not of age and she was not of age this is a heavily edited picture of this is a heavily edited picture of this is a heavily edited picture of talia that was taken by john nethers talia that was taken by john nethers talia that was taken by john nethers in the years that she was being abused in the years that she was being abused in the years that she was being abused and that had been posted to his account and that had been posted to his account and that had been posted to his account talia says she remembers that picture talia says she remembers that picture talia says she remembers that picture being taken being taken being taken she says it was at his first apartment she says it was at his first apartment she says it was at his first apartment when we moved out when we moved out when we moved out i remember he basically told me to strip i remember he basically told me to strip i remember he basically told me to strip naked put a little mask over my head there's this mesh sheet or something to make the water look black or flowy or whatever and then took pictures of me naked in the bathtub i didn't realize that there was a close-up of my face it was edited but you can kind of tell it's me i was looking at it and even my mom she didn't realize it was me until she really sat and looked at it but yeah i had not realized that that was posted until a couple months ago when she was going through his instagram just to see how many he had of me and the kids on there and i saw it out of the corner of my eye and i was like wait that's a picture that i told the detectives about we foi at this case and because it's still ongoing there wasn't a lot that we were able to receive however we did get some of the body cam footage and it's bizarre you have both john nethers and brianna nethers being arrested john's wife brianna is crying she's telling the officers i've never been in trouble for everything as if that's gonna hold some weight when she's been charged with five counts of sa nine counts of pandering sexually oriented material involving a minor and impaired person eight counts of illegal of minor or impaired person in nudity oriented material or performance two counts of unlawful sexual conduct with a minor one count of sexual conduct with an animal one count of cruelty to animals two counts of voyeurism one count of possessing criminal tools but here she is sobbing saying that she's never been in trouble for anything she's still wailing as they take her into the back of the police cruiser handcuffed saying i've never been in trouble for anything so i don't know anything at one point she keeps saying no no no while crying it's unclear if she's saying that to herself or to the officers eventually she does get booked and she asks the officer the one that's driving about her charges and he informs her i was told that you're being charged with pandering obscenity with a minor is that a felony or a misdemeanor it's a felony what the fuck it's a second degree felony what the fuck what what is that time look like i'm sorry the the time or is that up to the judge it's gonna be up to the judge okay okay i don't know anything i've never been in trouble for anything she mentions this for the 20th time as if it is indeed a get out of jail free card but i guess it works the officer even asks her if she'd be more comfortable with her hands cuffed in front of her than behind her and she reassures the officer that if he would do that she would never do anything to him she's just so fucking paranoid and yeah she might not do anything to him she's just so fucking paranoid to the police officer the police officer who is likely older than her but she did do something to end up in this position they have identified three victims so far prosecutors are worried and concerned that there are even more victims in this case the focus of the investigation is actually identifying more victims prosecutors asking any and all victims to come forward it is alleged that brianna would pick victims at malls the trampoline park even at the local ymca we don't know the extent of what was recorded how many people were victimized i think it's not a great sign that the officers are actively looking for more people to come forward though the search on their devices it seems like that would indicate there's a lot more than we know the case has not gotten a lot of national attention but locally on local facebook groups people have been sharing their thoughts and theories one comment reads i heard a rumor that she was selling sex through craigslist after she got banned for doing it on tiktok last year so when i saw the mugshot that's what i initially thought she'd been charged with or maybe she was selling sex through craigslist maybe like essay charges because she's so so pushy about filming together with her husband like for her of page she was just bragging a couple months ago about buying a cadillac in cash and her husband has thousands of dollars of camera equipment but i'm so sorry to all the victims and their families now again this is just a facebook comment i don't know if this person actually knows anything or any details about the case or if any details about the case that they are telling on facebook are to be true but it just seems like it's so much worse than anyone knew about it so i'm going to go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and one person writes in the facebook comments this is the local lincoln county lockups i got a restraining order on him john nethers and i was so dumb for dropping it he threatened to sell me and everything he was taking photos of brianna and how she was trying to get with him and how he thought she was always cute he messaged me after they got married telling me not to answer anyone about their marriage if anyone contacted me wait what it seems like he was probably involved with brianna before she was an adult of legal age but it seems like they got married when she was 18 he's exactly 20 years older than her they say there was so much shit y'all don't understand like he was a psycho i'm so glad his ass is in jail it just seems like the investigators are scratching the immediate surface or at least what they've publicly said out loud i don't think anyone really knows the full extent of what might have transpired in this case with these people not even close i think the prosecutors must know at least that at least that this is a big rabbit hole just based off what we could find online and then talia's email talia was gracious and trusting enough to get on a phone call with us and she was explaining her side of events and it's very different from online because again he's being charged with like c-sam animal cruelty animal abuse and like the things that brianna is being charged with and talia is telling us it goes it spans back way further it's not even just like yeah like over a decade and then if you count the years of abuse yeah it's so long yeah and who knows if he could have been victimizing other people before and after talia talia says that she met john when she was six because john was her mom's new boyfriend john actually knew talia's mom from high school so it's not like talia's mom just met this random guy and was like oh You're going to move in with me and my daughter, right? And I'm a single, because she's a single mom, right? You're going to move in with me and my daughter. It's, they had this long forming friendship, it appears. They did reconnect later in life. And that's when they start seriously dating when Talia is around six. He moves in and it is a really toxic relationship. They argue a lot, Talia's mom and John. The fights between Talia's mom and John were never physical. But because he's a photographer, Talia says he would go out and take these crazy pictures of women all the time. And my mom would just be upset with it and uncomfortable. And he would say, it doesn't mean that he likes them. It's just his job. And then he would go and accuse her of cheating on him, which she never was. But he was very adamant that she was always cheating on him or that she was going out and doing crazy stuff. And she was just like a stay-at-home mom that never really ever went out. He would just gaslight her, guilt trip her. He would send her whole paragraph-long emails about how terrible of a mom that she is and how he believes she's cheating, even though she's not. It was just really toxic. Talia is six, and her biological father is not in her life. And then Talia's mother ends up having three children with John. And so I think that just adds more to this case because it is very difficult. It was never physical. There was no indication that John was ever doing anything to Talia, to Talia's mom. So it's just one of those very toxic marriages. But she also has these three children with him, making it even more difficult to get out. Are they? In Talia's life, too? Yes. Yeah, they're all really close. They're siblings? Yes. Wow. And I don't want to speak on behalf of them, obviously, but it just seems like from what we could gather from our conversations with Talia, it seems like Talia and her siblings are really like Talia's mom's kids. You know, like that's their parental figure. And they are their very tight-knit family, it appears. Oh, gosh. Okay. Yeah. Even when John did nothing to Talia, that was weird or questionable. At the time, her first impression of John, she just didn't really like him. I mean, she didn't really know why. She just thought maybe it was like having a man in the house out of nowhere was just weird. It just always felt like a stranger living in their house. But it's just a feeling because everything was normal, at least in the beginning. It's not until Talia's mom gets pregnant with their first child. That's when the abuse started. Talia says it started when I would be getting ready for school in the morning. He would be doing my hair. So he would sit on the couch and I would sit on the floor in front of him. He would brush my hair and put all these hair clips and hair ties like on the couch in between his legs. And he would be naked. She's facing away from him while he's doing her hair. But he would force her to grab the hair clip and the hair tie. And she says, when I would turn around, he would be naked. And I would have to grab the hair tie and the hair clips. And over time, they would inch. Closer to his private parts. So it just started with a lot of these smaller things where it started progressing. She says my mom would go to work and he would stay home. And it would be these little things like he would come in my room and lay down with me and try to cuddle. And he would tell her eventually, this is like years of abuse. He would tell her repeatedly, if not you, it's going to be your siblings. In our interview, Talia says, I was never going to let that happen. So I kind of put myself in the way of that. And that is where I leave you with the first half of this episode. In the second half, we're going to dive deep into our conversation with Talia and what's going to happen now with the legal case and the charges. But let me know your thoughts. Please stay safe. And I will see you in the next one. Bye.