"Wolves Who Kill Other Wolves" Jim Caviezel Discusses GHOST SOLDIER

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My wife always says, "Yes, but make sure love is in there." I said, "Honey, love is in truth." There is no separation. There's truth in love. There should be love in truth. I hate most movies that come out. I especially hate conservative movies because they're terrible. I really hate most Christian movies. I'm real fun to be around at parties. I love the movie that is coming out in November 11th, starring a friend of mine. That is, I guess you could call it kind of conservative. I guess you could call it Christian. I get, it is so good, and you need to go see it. The movie is Ghost Soldier, starring a man who needs no introduction whatsoever. Mr. Jim Koviesel. Jim, thank you for making time. I really appreciate it, Michael. So, Michael, I read the movie years ago. The "Count of Monte Cristo." I saw it in theaters. I loved it. Most people ran into the guy that paid for it, Roger Burmbham and Gary Barber, and they told me we were on the Sony lot because I was doing this Ghost Soldier, and they said, "Yeah, Monte Cristo was our biggest film ever. I was flabbergasted when they said that." I said, "Well, we only made $80 million at the box office." I mean, that's a lot, but he said, "Yes," and I said, "But it wasn't six cents your biggest film ever?" And he said, "Yeah, well, it was until Monte Cristo beat it." And I said, "Why didn't we only, you know, we only did $80 million at the box office?" I think six cents did like $670 million. That was back when it was $7 a ticket. And I've asked people, and they said, "Well, there were a lot of, you know, swashbucklers that weren't that good." You know, there was probably a three or four of them, and they're just touching swords. But Guy Pierce and I, we really worked on, you know, the technique and made it look the way it would look. And then there was one element about it, which was a man's search for meaning. God will give me justice, and they didn't sell that. And God is an essential part of our lives, like water. The water is in this film, you know, and with voucher water, you know, you can't grow anything. You live, you know, 30 days. Essentially, you could live quite a while without food, but water, you know, you'd be dead in days without it. And so that was kind of the first thing when I read this script. I said, "Okay, I like where this is going." And then we started building the character up from there. From all the operatives that I've worked with. So for the people who haven't yet heard about the movie, the movie is about this former special ops guy who is kind of, I don't know, he's like James Bond and Q rolled into one, like he's developing weapons. He does his own thing. He lives in the middle of the woods on a river. And there's this big corporation that comes in. They want to take control of the water. It is a very live political issue as people are building AI data centers. And from there, your character fits has to go off and save the town, save the world, and kill all the bad guys. Corporations have quite a bit of power. Foreign corporations do. And it begs for the audience to ask the question, who's really in charge of our government? Who's really, as the president, the buck starts, stops there, Harry Truman. And we'll find out that no, we're really not in control of our own destiny. And Americans want to be in control. It's by the people, for the people. And so, Americans are generally waking up to the fact that, you know, we've been slaves here. And I started going into a lot of this, studying the things they never brought up to us. Like, for example, the Corporation Act of 1871, the Fed of 1933, going off the Golden Silver 1933, and then going onto the Fiat currency in around '72, and our currency being devalued the way it has been. And my character has worked with a lot, a lot, a lot of people, guys that have gone off the grid and gone bad, guys that are operators that are real talented killers, guys that essentially have become wolves and go after the people. And there, but there are guys that are the sheep hurting dogs or converted wolf that kill other wolves. And that's kind of who fits is. You know, I'm watching the movie last night. You guys were kind enough to send me a screener, and I'm taking, I had a little notepad in a pen just to take a few notes before the interview. And the first line that your character says that I had to write down and bring up is the point you just brought up. It says corporate tyranny is still tyranny. And this is a little shocking to many of the beltway establishment Republican types, because for so many years, the Democrat Party was the party of trying to give out welfare, and the Republican Party was the party of defending big corporations. And no one even questioned that. They said, well, you know, American freedom means that if Google is oppressing you, you just got to build your own Google, as if such a thing were possible, as if these corporations are even entirely private entities. Many of them were very well integrated within the government. This is an idea. It's not a new idea, but it's an idea that we're beginning to remember a little bit on the American right. And I think the movie is pretty avant-garde actually in calling attention to it. >> It is. We're getting a hold of our narrative again, and even in film, we lost control of that for quite a long time. We're doing all these woke movies. People aren't going to movies any longer. And when I went into Sony and they were willing to give this shot, you know, we were talking about why people have stopped going to the theaters. And you don't make anything that we love. You go after movies like ridicule movies like the Passion of the Christ, mentioned something earlier, you know, when we did the Passion of the Christ, Michael, mel me and the rest of us, we weren't out to say, oh, we're a faith-based movie. We were out there to whip your ass. We're going to win. You're going to lose. We're going to put a team together. You can't beat us. And, you know, winning has a price. If you want to win, you know, if you look at, like, Nick Saban was just watching how he was training guys. And these kids would be like, I want to play in the NFL. Okay. So you go to Alabama and you start playing for him. Well, you've realized that winning has a price. It's hard. You can't win or I'm in the mode of what I feel. I remember watching Michael Jordan play when he was playing against Utah on the Western conference finals. He had the flu. He had to play through the flu. When I was doing the Passion, I had my shoulder ripped out. I was hypothermia. I had both my lungs and pneumonia. But I understood that this God that loved me gave me an opportunity to do something. And I said, this is what I wanted to do. And I didn't at the time know that, you know, I was going to be called the task. Jamie, also, can be over the fact that you were struck by lightning. I know there were so many crazy things happen. You forgot about the getting struck by lightning part. Yeah. That was that was a big let me up like a Christmas tree, man. But I wanted to do things in this industry that were extraordinary. You know, when I first came down to Hollywood, I was you know, started as a waiter and I didn't worked at this Jerry Wine Trop's house. He was a big movie producer and worked with many of my friends always. years. But anyway, I was a waiter and we were told by the secret service, you know, the guy that was running the head of all the waiter said, look, if you talked to any of these celebrities or, you know, will fire you on the spot, I happened to be had a tray of champagne glasses and there was real crystal. So I had to hold it with both my hands because I'd never done that before. And I was serving Warren Beatty at the time and I looked over and I saw Jimmy Stewart. You know, it was like to me, he was Jesus. Wow. So I said, well, I get fired talking to that guy. So I went over and I said, Mr. Stewart, which I like, you know, something to drink. He said, yeah, over that guy. So he, I went over and talked to him and his wife and and you know, he was just a regular dude. And I told him that I applied to the US Naval Academy three times and I didn't get in. And then I had a shot at West Point and he said, well, what are you doing here? And I said, you know, I was trying to act. And I said, you were a big part of what I thought that, you know, I was supposed to do in this life, you know. And I talked about, it's a wonderful life with him and everything. And we went on. And I remember his wife looking over at him going, see, you have done, you know, something, you know, look at what, you know, I was early, early 20s. And, and so I look over and I see the guy that told, you know, had essentially threatened us and he, he said, you're gone. And and I walked away and he goes, young man, he called out and he says, you, you make good movies. And so, you know, that was kind of the path I wanted to go and and I had also the, the understanding of faith, faith is a big, big deal. This is where, you know, are you going to run or you going to stand and fight? And I use that in this character. A lot of the operators that I worked with had on their neck like I do. And it was Michael the Archangel. And so I thought that was a be something be a very value. And I've asked these guys, do you, is that are you like, you know, Catholic or religious? And they go, no, I'm not. It's like better than a lucky rabbit's foot, you know. The most fascinating part of that interaction with with Jimmy Stewart is what his wife said. When, when she says, see, see Jimmy, you know, you really have done some good in the world, right? To think that one of the great movie stars of all time would have that doubt. And yet we all do every no matter your station in life, whether you're a waiter or you're the president of the United States or your movie star or your special operator, whatever you are, you have this question. Is what I am doing meaningful? Does does it actually matter? And I think about, I mean, you mentioned Jimmy Stewart's movies inspired you. I was an atheist for 10 years, as I think I may have mentioned to you before. And when I was about 13, around my confirmation, that was the time that I was really falling away from the faith. And there was one thing that kind of planted a seed that spurred me back into the faith for a little bit, really planted a seed for my return about 10 years later. And it was your movie. It was the passion of the Christ where I left the movie and I thought, oh, wow, shoot, all of this atheism I've been falling into, that might be kind of a bunch of bunk. I don't know, and then, you know, I kind of put it out of my head or whatever that kind of returns to you later on. And you think, okay, you've had the opportunity. Look, you've played the most iconic role in not just the greatest Christian movie ever made, but certainly one of the greatest movies ever made period. Full stop to your point. You want to win, you just want to make great stuff and win, and there's no excuses. Okay, so you've had all of that. Now you come out with this movie, Ghost Soldier, and I had this fear going in. It wasn't too bad a fear because I said, I don't know, if Jim's doing it, it's probably a pretty good movie. But I said, I hope it's not too heavy-handed and too didactic and it's not just going to be like a conservative movie or Christian movie. And then very shortly after turning the movie on, I say, oh, no, no, no, we're in a real movie here. And this character is a really compelling character. And it's a marvelous movie to watch. And it makes really great religious points and really great political points. And it's actually kind of avant-garde and thoughtful on its politics. It probably would appeal to a lot of people on the left too, at least at some level. And then the other thing I thought is, this is a franchise. This easily, I could imagine like a dozen other Ghost Soldier movies being made. So one, where did the concept come from? And two, when are we getting number two? Even I know people haven't even seen number one yet, but when are we getting Ghost Soldier two? Well, that has to do with the economy. It really does. What if the American public love it and come out and watch it? They always make another one. But I can assure you this, if we make another one, it has to be at least this good or better. Why haven't you make it? And it will always have a bit of controversy. Why? Because the truth is controversial, as the passion was controversial, as his love for us is controversial. I always will remain that way. And I've said this before, in this world, you can be light by many, but are you willing to risk it all to be loved by one? And not much has changed in 2000 years. In fact, Jesus is more controversial now than he's ever been. And really think about that. How does he line up with the world? How does he go with transgender politics? The woke agenda? Where is Jesus in that? You know, if we had made a gay Jesus, a transgender Jesus, it probably would have won me an Academy Award. The people would have hated me. And they should. So I was also thinking about when Jimmy Stewart died, the day he died, I think it was like July add to be around 7th, 1997, somewhere in there. That was the day that I shot the scene with Sean Penn in the break in the thin red line. And my whole life was changing. And that day, we went out and we all played basketball together. And so George Clooney asked Kerry and I to join him for dinner and we sat together. And he started, I said that Jimmy Stewart died today. And then I told him the story that I told you. And he said, you know, my aunt, I said, who's your aunt? He said Rosemary Clooney. And I said, was she the woman in white Christmas? He goes, yeah, she could sing. And I said, she was amazing singer. And I said that I didn't know that I was your aunt and everything. And he said, well, we were at Jimmy Stewart's house and on his TV. And I finished his sentence. I said, was an Academy Award. He goes, yeah, so you've been in the house. I said, well, yeah, that's another story. He eventually invited me into the his place. And before I left on the thin red line, I knew he was very sick. The wife had died and I knocked on the door. And then made, she saw me and and I said, I gave him a get well card. And I said, I finally made it. And you know, Stewart was looking at the Academy Award that, you know, Clooney was talking about and he goes, yeah, I haven't really done much in his life. That amazing. You know, he was a brigadier general. He did 26 missions over Nazi Germany. This guy, I can't even how many films this guy did. And he was felt felt like he had not done much in this life. And so why is that you think? Well, at some point, I think we all run out of time on this earth. And I think there comes a point and that's a part of the process. It's a great question. I think we run out of time. And part of the process of growth is that we have to get old and part of that is humiliation. And, you know, humility only comes through humiliation. And so that is the, you know, when you're the, when someone is saying things like, you know, I used to be able to do this. I used to be able to do that. Well, I'm already doing that. I mean, there was a time when I ran a 108 quarter and I could pull 432 mile. And I always thought, yeah, me too, me too. Oh, yeah. Don't look at the results, but you have steroids in the brain. Everybody's given a gift. But even being at that level, my teammate could kick my ass and he runs 17 seconds faster than me. So I thought nothing of it. Until I was doing a film, with the SEAL teams, and when we were in Coronado and I was with my buddy, and I can't say his name, but anyway, a lot of these guys are still active, and I always thought I would be able to run like that, I would move like that, you know, and then course them when injury happens, and then one foot needs a plate, and so you got to work with what you, what you can, you know, don't let what you can't do, interfere with what you can do, right, so that's John Wooden there I think, but and he was another big influence in my life, Coach Wooden, and he was my dad's coach at UCLA, and I used to go to his camps when I was a little guy, so I would say that that would be the thing, and I used a lot of that and go soldier, this guy is still, but what's there is quite extraordinary, and those relationships that you have from Coronado, from those are still my friends today, and they help build me up and create this character, you know, Henry Fitz, Fitz Simon's, and we were able to take that, and over time there's just little things that you look at weapons, you know, and guys look at your, how you handle again, you just have that it thing that they go, and that's just, from what those veterans have given me over the years, and have been so on top of, you know, just those little, little details that are going to set you apart of why people believe that you're this character. Yeah, of course, of course, I mean that, not just if you're a seal, you know, where you can probably discern, okay, actually the finger's not in the right place or it's not, but really anyone, it's, it's, of course, throwing yourself into that entirely, it's all of those, those little details in minutia, but there's a lot of humility required for that. You know, I mean, this kind of back to the Jimmy Stewart point, I was reading a various Pauline epistles last night, and there's this amazing paradox that Paul has, which is on the one hand, he says, I'm more a servant of Christ than any of these people. I work harder than all of these people. I have more Jewish credibility than all of these people. I got more credibility with the Gentiles and all of these people. I've suffered more. I've been in prison more. I'm like, I'm the man. And then on the other hand, he says, I'm, I'm not fit to be called an apostle. I'm the least of the apostles. I'm the worst of all sinners. I'm nothing. And that's, that seems like a contradiction, but it's not really a contradiction because what does Paul say? He says, it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. So I glory in my accomplishments that have been rotten me by Christ. You know, it's this, it's this amazing thing, whether you're at the absolute height of your profession or you're working in obscurity or wherever you are, eventually you're going to die. And even the Academy Award isn't going to matter, it's just going to rot and rust and turn to nothing. And so the question is just, what are you living for and what, what, what does winning really mean? What does accomplishment really mean? greatness really mean? Yes, that's it, that's a great point. My favorite line from Paul is, is to live as Christ to die as gain, to live as Christ to die as gain. You know, I was visiting this, I was at, we go to this church sometimes and they have a nursing home there and, and a lot of the people that are in the wheelchair and I, and then after Mass will take them back to their rooms. And this woman, I just kind of started taking her back to her room and she kind of visited with me a bit and I'd see a picture of her, her family and everything and, but I never see him and I just finally asked her, why don't I ever see your, you know, your kids and stuff and she said, it's too much for them to handle that they see me like this and see you like what, that they know I'm going to die, that I have emphysema and I said, that's terrible, you know, that, that that coward, what's going to happen when they get to that point? Right, you know, and visit them. And so, um, I looked at this character, fits like that, you know, like this boy, would you help a boy out, think fits still remembers what it was like when he was a boy and how hard it was for him and there was nobody there, probably it was one of the things that drove him to, um, when I was filming with really Scott and we were out doing the beat torture training, they would say, um, you can't hurt us, you can't hurt us. Some of the guys were actually, um, seals and, um, but they get to a point when they're doing the surf torture and it's freezing, freezing cold. The one guy who's no, god bless him, he's no longer with us anymore, Hashim Shalom, hash, um, he would, it was, it was freezing, um, and you could, you know, you get hypothermia in the water and, and he just smile and he goes, Jim, you got all these conditions in your body. He had all this and that salt was going to suck all that stuff out and he says, so this is a really good thing. I remember it when I was doing the passion, but he gave me a little bit of help, you know, and how to handle some of that torture, you got to see it as a good thing, um, the, uh, part of the things that, um, fits went through in his life as he, as a, uh, young man, I think that he was able to see himself in that boy and, and, and, uh, but this time that he could actually do something and help not just him, but the entire family and get involved, you know, they've been wanting to isolate us in this country, divide us and isolate us. They, they put masks on us and say you, you have to stay in, uh, your house and I think people are tired of that bullshit right about now that, and that, and fits is not going to deal with that anymore. He knows what really is going on and, and, uh, so the good Samaritan part of the story is very real, but what I'm saying is like Jimmy Stewart did these John Wayne did these stories. 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And so how about we stop doing that and we make movies that are true, that ring true, that do not insult the audience left and right. And a lot of modern people would say, well, no, there's no, there's no real appetite for that. You can't, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? Make a movie like Jimmy Stewart or John Wayne, I'd say, a movie like the most successful movie stars ever? Maybe that's a good idea. I don't know. It worked for a very long time. Maybe there's a reason for that. And that was the sense that I got watching this movie is you feel like you're watching Hondo or something or the searchers, right? I know there's a journey that you're going on. You're even out there in this beautiful, this beautiful scenery, but there's a deep sense of justice and there's a deeply religious element. I mean, to go back to the St. Michael point, the St. Michael prayer and the invocation of St. Michael is a big motif in the movie and that, that also is happening right now. You know, even though it's an older prayer, it's kind of avant-garde because you're seeing a return to that. I go to Mass and I hear more and more people praying the St. Michael prayer after Mass as was initially the case when Pope Leo the 13th wrote the St. Michael prayer. St. Michael prayer, it's a pretty masculine prayer for people who don't know what it is. It's St. Michael the Archangel of Defendison Battle, BR protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou a prince of the heavenly host by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. This is, you know, not just like Sappy 1970s hymns that your granny might like. This is pretty tough stuff. Why is it the case for goodness sakes, my friend Charlie Kirk, who was Protestant, though he was he was Catholic curious, but he was he was a Protestant. He wore a St. Michael medal. He was wearing one the day he was murdered. And so there is this appeal of the St. Michael prayer of this kind of spiritual combat. At the same time, there are some bishops who are trying to remove the St. Michael prayer after masses. There are people, I've seen this some liberal pundits who are saying this, you shouldn't pray the St. Michael prayer that, you know, obviously this is all part of spiritual combat. Why is it coming to a head right now? This is the last moment of good versus evil. The St. Michael prayer, Pope Leo, I think that was around 1864, maybe. Yeah, maybe a little later somewhere around there. Yeah. It was around there. I knew it was close to Lincoln, but he was in a side chapel. And he saw the devil come up to God and said, give me one century and I'll destroy your church. It's kind of similar to what happened with Job and God gave him the 20th century. And I think it really kicked off in 1917 in Fatima is where it kicked off. And there have been more people that have been murdered killed in wars. And then if you also take a hold of the numbers of abortions, you know, the central bank controls about 208 countries. So I would say, I think the number is about 45 million a year. And all of their countries that they practice abortion, sacrificing the babies. During the time of Moses, they were sacrificing the babies, mollock, the canonites, all worshipping, all of that. And that is still prevalent today. And it is infiltrated inside the church and those that commit these wicked actions, know what I'm talking about and know that yes, they practice it. It's still and they're involved in it. And so they have their superiors that tell them to stop doing this Michael prayer. And not just the Michael prayer, but the rosary. The rosary is, you know, people say it's ridiculous. No, the rosary is important because if you go into a Muslim prison, they're not going to give you a Christian Bible. If you learn the rosary, you get prayed Matthew, Mark, Luke and John every day. And those also connect to the beginning, the Torah, all books. They all connect together, all right. And it's possibility the book of Enoch and several of these other ones. They need to be looked at. They're actually quoted in the scripture in Genesis and needs to be looked at. And we shouldn't be able to be afraid to cross examine any of that. So if you're going to be bold as a bishop and say no more praying the same Michael, I would say what part of that prayer is like wicked to you? Yeah. Defend us. You know, what we're, why would you do that? And look at all of these, you know, Navy seals that I've worked with and Delta Force or the green beret operator that carries the same Michael. You know, a lot of these guys ask him, why do you have that? And they said, well, it beats the the rabbit's foot, you know, there's something about it. They're guardian angel, you know, it's like tells them, yes, this is a great weapon for you. And when I'm working with, I had a guy who's a Delta operator and he, I said, you know, when I was doing the brain training, they would say get your weapon, you're gun, right? I call it a gun. They said, that's your weapon, you know, so weapon weapon. And so I asked him, you know, why you keep calling my, you know, at my, which was, been trained out of me. So I said, might you get weapon weapon weapon. And, and I said, why do you keep calling it a gun like I was correcting him? And this thing was loaded. He stood right in front of it, right in front of it and right to his chest. And he said, am I, I don't have a, I don't have a weapon on me, but I'm, am I so am I not a weapon when he's looking at me? He said, I don't even have a gun. And I said, but I'm still a weapon, aren't I? That's the difference between me and them. Now, I wouldn't say that with force recon, you know, but it eventually, if, when you, you know, promagome training, everything in this room that I'm looking at can be a weapon, you know, and where it's going to be used. And, and so there's a connection between that. And going after evil and these guys have this genetic thing that's in them that is, I think it's either suicide or lay in their life down for something and it's just in bread. And they chose the way of laying their life down for somebody they love and it happens to be their country. That's a good psychological insight, which is for most people, you know, anybody who's, everybody's got some talent, everybody's got something that they're good at or they could be good at. And it's all different in this diverse world. But everybody could use those skills or in those talents for good or for evil. The very worst people in the history of the world probably could have been the greatest saints. And the greatest saints in the history of the world probably could have been some of the very worst villains. And, but you can either turn it toward the good or turn it toward evil. And so I love that, I mean, you see that come out in the movie. You see this, this sense of the Fitz character. This guy could be a bad guy. This guy could be like one of the villains who shows up. You see this in the politician characters. You see this in the corporate lobbyist characters. These are people. In fact, there's a pivotal scene during an interrogation where one of these characters, I think you could do so much good. Why are you selling yourself out? And the other, you know what's amazing too? I don't want to give away any spoilers from the movie. But when people do turn to evil, when people are corrupt, whether in the private sector or in government, one of the things that always really bums me out about it is not just that they might go to hell and all the pain they've inflicted on his innocent people and all the rest. It's that when they try to sell their souls, they sell them so cheap. Some politician gets caught and he sold out for what? A few hundred grand or something. You say, that's it. You're not even, you didn't even get $30 million. It was just, you sold out for like a, I don't know, like a nice land rover. Come on. Isn't it your soul worth more than that? That's amazing. Yeah. Like one piece of silver instead of 30. I don't recommend the 30 either. But like one, come on. What are you thinking? Yeah, I know it's a gift to, I've said to people, you know, I know once you find out how much God loves you, but then I want to love him back and he saved me and I love him and I want the world to know and you know, I never, they say, oh, you know, one day, you know, my father. As many mansions and we'll have a mansion in heaven or something and I said I'll take the ditch next to his house. I want to be that close to him that that's not. I want to protect him and he gave me the greatest gift and I want to share that with others because they may have the same kind of feeling inside and said keep keep going there, you know. The, I mean, I could go on and on about your treasures in heaven and everything, but you know what Jesus talks about being worth your soul. I, in my deepest prayer while I was dim in the passion, how it was explained to me from him was that you have, what does that mean? And you sold has its own flavor, right? But when you lose that, you, you're not able to appreciate and you, and you don't have or not ever, you're not able to have gratitude anymore. When you lose the Holy Spirit, it'd be like a multi billionaire whose friend gives him a Ferrari and he says, oh, shit, I got it. It's more stuff I got to take care of. I'll be just like over the moon if I had my own Ferrari, right? But to them, it's like it's more stuff I got to take care of and they lose that zest for life. You know, and I think that we were talking about age earlier, I don't want to lose that in any age bracket. I mean, you, because if I'm in my 80s, I'm grateful that I'm alive. This producer that did this movie, Peter Goober, he was, he's, I met him 15 years ago, and you know, he was at that time, he was getting Steph Curry with the Golden State Warriors. So this last year, I told him, I said, I'm going to make a film for you. You're going to do unbelievable on this film, which goes sold your night. It is, it's a film that like Monte Cristo is worth seeing. It's a film that you're going to, you know, really engage and leave forward and watch. I can attest. I'm pretty, I'm very harsh. I'm very harsh on movies and I'm also overworked right now. The basically the only TV I watch is the Yankees. I did watch the Brewers last night only because it's a fun story. But I like, I watch basically nothing and I have a dim view of almost everything that comes out, including from friends of mine. The movie's terrific. I just loved it. I loved watching every minute of it. I told you I want to see number two ASAP. I was kind of, I was hoping just to bring the audience in a little bit. I was hoping to get out to LA to film something in person with you for the movie. And I couldn't do it because I was doing a rather Catholic thing and having another baby around that time. So I was like, one of the few, one of the few reasons. That was the right thing to do. I kicked your ass if you get that. I had a few friends who had invited me to different things around that time. And when, almost all Catholic. And when I told them I said, look, I really, really want to do this. But I have this, there's this one thing keeping me away from it. They all said, damn right. Yeah, you better stay there. Or you, you know, get your priorities in order. I said, yeah, of course, but I can attest. The movie is phenomenal. It's really, really good. And you know, one of the themes in the movie that before I let you go, I really want to get to because it's a theme both for the character and for your own personal life. And it's something that I've been obsessed with recently is the theme of callings of vocations. You know, I was thinking of the rich young man in the gospels who he goes up to Jesus and he says, hey, what do I need to have eternal life? And he says, keep the commandments. He goes, I already keep the commandments. I keep the, I'm the king. I keep in the commandments. He says, okay, great. Then the thing you need to do is give up all your possessions and follow me. And the young man says, well, I don't really want to do that. And he goes away sorrowful. And with, I had never noticed it about this verse before, but it is really counterintuitive that he goes away sorrowful. Because Christ says, okay, you can either do exactly what you want to do or you can do things that you don't want to do and give up all the stuff that you really like and follow me and suffer for it. And the young man says, well, I'm going to keep doing all the stuff that I want to do. So you would expect him to go away happy because he's doing exactly what he wants to do. But he goes away sorrowful. Meanwhile, Paul has another calling from Christ and he says, okay, you're going to go suffer and be tortured and die for me and Paul rejoices in his sufferings. So there's that you would expect him to complain in his sufferings. And then I think about the character in the movie who is not gaining materially by protecting his community by putting his skills to use for the greater good. And then I think about even your own life where you say, look, I wanted to go to the Naval Academy. That was my dream. I wanted to, you know, I wanted to go, I wanted to join the Navy. And you ended up talking to Jimmy Stewart and you say, yeah, anyway, I couldn't join the Navy. So I became an actor. And what's so amazing is you are one of not just the most successful actors of your age, but, you know, especially because of the passion. You will go down as one of the most successful actors ever, like since Euripides. I mean, you have played the iconic role in one of the greatest productions, dramas, ever that will ever be done. So you are like living the dream. And yet that dream is a little different than the dream you envisioned. You're living a dream that you were called to rather than the dream that you created for yourself. And that must be a little, that must separate you in some ways from many of your colleagues in show business. You were you were talking about that story and and how he looked at you went away sorrowful. I was like, are you nuts? This guy offered you to be one of his. And to me, that was a purpose. And when he offered it to me, I was like, you're going to let me be in your group. That to me is a greater treasure than things. And so, you know, it's I get to, you know, help every film I do, I always ask, even this film, I always ask, Jesus, or, you know, all three of them, the one father's son, I my father won in the same, those that know me know my father. The father's son, Holy Spirit, I ask them. And I as as one, I said, what can I do to help bring more souls to you? I want to be the bring the most souls to you that's ever been. I'm not asking to be any kind of saint or anything like that. But I really want them. I think I can use this film technology to bring the most people in and see when I'm dead, that's an annuity. I don't I'm dead. And that's what Jimmy Stewart does every every year for Christmas when I put that on. I have them over my mantle. I never take it down. I put it up for Christmas. It's a wonderful life. But I, I stopped taking it down because I always look at it and go, okay, this. This is a man that that I follow. Now imagine Stewart, he dies, he dies, and he goes to, you know, to heaven, he meets St. Peter, Jesus, and Jesus goes, you know, you're, it's a wonderful life. It's the greatest thing. He will tell you it was his greatest film he ever made. And he made so many great films, but he says, I want to show you the greatest thing he ever did for this boy, me. And he says, he's going to play Jesus. He's going to play me. And there's going to be a lot, a lot of issues here. But he says, we need pray for this guy to get it done. And he's going to ask for the greatest request, which is that, you know, I want to bring the most souls ever to you. And it all started with you, Jimmy. It all started with you. And so I had to be tied to, you know, billions of souls that could have possibly happened. So that's the real currency. And from the Holy Spirit, that's the real real currency is, he's bringing souls to God. I love the idea of the annuity, the sole annuity for these works, these artifacts that we can leave behind once, once we're gone. It's a beautiful image, a beautiful way to think about it. Ultimately, that, that is the only portfolio that's really going to matter. You know, all the rest of it is going to rot and rust. And I, to your, to your point. A lot of these, a lot of these guys that, that I met along the way that had Michael, they are angel on their neck. And here I was raised to Catholic and a lot, and, and they, like, they were, in my opinion, like future saints, I could see in them, I could feel it in my heart that this guy, these guys that, you know, they didn't even have what you would say, faith, but I knew they were chosen. And, and I, this guy was also chosen. And, and I don't think that it's ever stopped, biblically, you know, like with King David and everything. I still think it goes on today. I think you were chosen. You know, I've done, well, no, because I, I've went through the whole time of, you know, going on, being interviewed on all these big, big shows. And it was just a bunch of hellabaloo crap, you know, there's not been one piece of crap. here. Listen, good shit grows the best, but we have to go through that. We have to move the stones. We have to prepare the soil. And then the manure comes in, okay? And it's hard. And then it's like, God, give me light, but not too much. You kill my crops, God, give me water, but not too much. Or you drown my crops. That's where I'm at at this point. But I know that this film can do a lot of good. It engages you, engages your heart. It says, I think this guy is talking to me. And man, when I was 14 years old, I was in a bad, bad way. And I spent a lot of time in the movie theater. And I was one of those guys that were watching movie 20, 25 times. And I think that's what just kept me on a little bit longer. Because there were corrupt, you know, bad priests, bad bishops, and whatnot. But the scripture is still there. The mass is still the mass. And it kept me hanging on. And I really believe that that remnant of whatever from that was like, I need you to go to your school, which is go to the film. And that really formed a lot of my life. And it was done with guys like Stuart. And you know, a few others that I, that I, but especially him because of that movie to this day, I know every scene that's going to happen. And I still weep. Yeah. And to your earlier point, right at the top of our conversation, you said, you know, the truth is controversial, Christ is controversial. And that's as true today as it's ever been, maybe more true. And, and then you, you make the comparison. You said, okay, in the first century, before Christianity took hold and, you know, was legalized by Constantine and became Christendom for a thousand years before liberal modernity. In those early days, what did we have? We had weird sex cults. We had infant slaughter. We had a kind of a corrupted relationship of the church to the state or the religious authority to the state. We had all of these. We had severe oppression and forms of slavery and trafficking and all the rest. And all of those issues kind of abated a lot during the rise of Christendom. And then as Christianity has faded from public life, what do we see? We see the redefinition of marriage and a bunch of weird sex cults and the sacrifice of babies and the obliteration of people's rights, you know, the trampling on people's rights and on and on and on. And you think, well, in some ways today, the Christian who's alive in the big two six might have more in common with the Christian who was alive in AD 26 than he would with a Christian who was alive even 100, 200 years ago, which is, that's that old Chinese curse. May you live in interesting times. But it's also a Christian view of providence, which is, hey, you know, we joke, we say, I was born in the wrong age. I should have been born in the 40s. I should have been born in the Victorian era. No, you're born exactly the moment you were supposed to be. You know, God knows, counts the hairs on your head. He knows you. He formed you in the womb before he formed you in the womb. And so this is the moment you're here for and you're here to do something. And you ought to figure out what that is and do it and not end up like the rich young man who goes away sorrowful. That's right. And Michael, you know, back then they had the same kind of sins, but what they had back then was like, for example, if you were to take out a given example, like Germany, you have a contagion going through Germany, okay? With film, you can now and film and television, and you can make that contagion going to all of the nation simultaneously. Right. But the reverse of that, if someone is born to makes a film, and that film that goes everywhere simultaneously around the world, it can counter all of that. So think of all the pornography that's in the world right now and think of what the passion the Christ does against that. Maybe that that film, I would say, you know, to Jesus, you know, maybe this will bring them all back because they bring such, they feel such an emptiness in their homes and their life that this, there has to be something else. I think of all of the suicides that have occurred because of pornography. And then in one thing, one moment, they watched the passion and generation, family generation passed down of these sins. And then literally one moment, it like a sword, I didn't come to bring peace into this world. I came like a sword to divide. And it, and that was it where that individual said no more. That's it. That is got to just be so extra ordinary for God. And I, I really, I'm really grateful for you to do this interview. It's one of the best moments I've had on camera with another individual. My wife always says, yes, but make sure love is in there. I said, honey, their love is in truth. There is no separation. There should be love and truth. So, and you're a good man. You didn't come last time when I was supposed to meet with you because you did the right thing. Well, I appreciate, I really appreciate all of that commentary. And that you let me off the hook for the baby. The pleasure is all mine. As always, Jim, the honor is all mine. The movie is absolutely phenomenal. I know you got to run. I've taken up enough of your time. The movie is ghost soldier. It opens on November 11th on Veterans Day. You have to go watch it. If you are still listening to this conversation and you have not already pre-ordered your ticket, something is wrong with you. Go, go watch it. It's really I can highly recommend it, which is something that I cannot say about basically any movie that has come out since the passion of the Christ. So it's definitely go see it in November 11th. Jim, thank you very much for your time and coming on the show. And I look forward to the next time I see you. I'm going to know you the rest of your life. That sounds great. Thank you, sir. Good to see you. Good to see all of you. Michael and I will catch you next time. Tax relief advocates does things differently. Whether you owe $5,000, $50,000 or $500,000. Do not lose hope. 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