Hey weirdos, I'm Alena. I'm Ash and this is morbid. At night. Morbid at night. [music] Sex and spicy. Actually, not at all. This is neither sexy nor spicy. It is scurry. It is unattractive and bland. I wouldn't say bland. I would say unattractive and disgusting. Nasty. That's what I would say. So this is another one of our episodes that has been chosen by our patronuses. Patronocypics. Our patronocy. And they picked a doozy. They picked a doozy. I'm glad they picked a doozy for you because next week is also a doozy. They picked Robert William Pickton. Yikes. The pig farmer from Canada who is quite a character. And I have about 12 to 14 hours of research into this already. You're going to get three parts because Mama can't stop. And she said 12 to 14 hours and she's only got one and two. Yeah. I've only got two done. It's going to be more than like 14 hours. I just can't stop. This case is fascinating. It's huge. It's horrifying. It's intricate and it's so important because this case has to do so much with like missing Indigenous women in Canada. And what a huge, huge like just like help. It was so fluffed off. And it's still a problem. Yeah. And especially sex workers. It's like forget about it. Of course. This went on for way too long. Bullshit. I think the only thing before we get into it was just like an exciting thing that I just want to be like, oh, listen to because it was really fun. Oh my gosh. Guys, we were on Murder Squad and I couldn't wait to tell you guys the amount of times that Elena said, Paul Hols. I said Paul Hols quite a bit. Paul Hols. Beasts. I think it was just like one of my goals in life to be like, well, Paul Hols, what do you think of this? Paul Hols, Paul Hols, Paul Hols. And it was great. But yeah, I was really excited about it and we couldn't tell you guys for weeks. I know. I'm really excited. So yeah, that was the big like, yeah, I'm so excited. I think I tweeted like that night I came home and I was like bouncing off the walls. You were literally on drugs. Being able to like talk about a case with Paul Hols and Billy Jensen, of course, obviously. But we had actually done an episode if you guys like haven't listened to it where we had Billy on the show and we talked about Kat or Katrina Holmer. And that was amazing. And I after that when I was like leasing my mind. Oh, absolutely. And like Paul Hols, you're like, you like solved the golden state killing. Well, that's the reason he's probably the smartest man I've ever had a conversation with. And yeah, it was like thrilling. Like I can't, I can't think of somebody else that I've had a conversation with. That's that smart in that area. And just like being able to talk about a case, especially like the Oklahoma Girl Scout murders, which is what we talked about on that episode with a homicide detective who just has this like way of being able to look at a case that we can't. And he came up with a few things that I was like, why didn't I think of that? I know. Like that makes so much sense. But yeah, it was a lot of fun. We absolutely loved it. We want to thank them again for asking us to come on for the winter distraction episode because that was like truly an honor. And can't wait to do it again. We're totally going to do it again. I hope we get invited back. Shout out to Karen and Georgia. We love you. Oh my God. The best. Thanks for paving the way. Thank you for letting us see Stephen for a little while. That was fun. That was so much fun. I just wanted to say that because I was like a real like shot in the arm this month. Absolutely. We were excited about it and hope you guys go listen to it. It's on their feed. And if you haven't listened to murder squad, go listen to them because they're awesome. Incredible. But let's really destroy you. Let's roll around in the mud together. Let's go ahead and really, really make you not want to eat for the next like four days. Glad I literally just ate two tacos. This case. Yeah. Right. There's just, there's a lot. So I don't really know anything about this case to be honest. Wait until you get into it because it's we're going to get into so for part one, I'm going to tell you about Willie because he's known as Willie picked in. His name is Robert Willie, William picked in, but he's known as Willie. We're going to tell you about Willie. I'm going to tell you about how he grew up. I'm going to tell you about their infamous farm that they had. We're going to talk about like the time period and what was going on in Vancouver at the time, these missing mostly indigenous women that were sex workers, I think all of them were. And how it was being ignored. Like it's just it's shocking. So part one, we're going to get into that and we're going to talk about a few run-ins with Willie. So we're going to give you a little, I'm going to give you a little bit of like meat and potatoes. Don't worry. She's going to give you a little snippet before she gives you all of our two. Part two is going to be like, whoa. And then part three is going to be like, ah, so just we're going to give them to you back to back. So they're going to come fast and furious. You won't have to wait for parts for too long. So go right. Now Robert William Pickton was born October 24th, 1949. He was born in and he was raised in Port Co-Quitlam, British Columbia, Canada. All right. I think it's Co-Quitlam. Co-Quitlam. I think it is. Don't tell us either way. I feel like I, I feel like it is. Like, you know what? And it's like, I love you, Canada. I think I said it right. I hope I did you proud. Yeah. I just like quadruple checked it. I literally paused the recording to be like, I got, I just got to make sure. Yeah. I was right. Co-Quitlam. Be mentioned in all of those tweets. No, Co-Quitlam. Co-Quitlam. You got it. He was the middle child of three. He had three kids all together. It's always the fucking middle. It's the middle child. His sister Linda was born a year before he was and his brother was a younger brother David. He was actually a year after that. So it was like boom, boom, boom, boom. Bing, bang, boom. His parents are Leonard and Louise Picton. Oh my God, we love a, a, a letteration. We do, but we don't love them. Oh, I already do not love them. They sound delightful. Like Leonard and Louise. Yeah, they sound like they're, they go dancing and Friday night. Look at those two little people. No, no. They don't go dancing at all. Apparently Louise was a very hard worker. Very hard worker. Leonard was very lazy. So they were like opposites attract. I think her. But Louise and Leonard were probably best known for their looks. By that, I don't mean like their looks on the runway. I mean like they were very interesting looking people and not just like, you know, just your strange looking. It's like they like actively made themselves like the scary people in the neighborhood. Really? Yeah. And Louise specifically purposely just kind of let nature take hold of her outer appearance. She's like, I'm going to Google while you describe this. She kind of let all her teeth rot out of her head. She, you can like die from her hair. Her hair was, oh, it's very dangerous. Like oral health is very important. And like I guess, and I'm not saying like, you know, there was nothing that could really like, say what happened here. Like all her hair was gone apparently, but she grew a full beard. No. No. No, she did not. She did. No. And this is only worth mentioning because she kind of became like a local fascination in town. Because she's a fucking bearded lady. Because she was also very loud and very abrasive. Like very scared. So she's this like short kind of stout woman with no teeth, a full beard. And why can't I find a picture of it anywhere? I don't know. I couldn't really find one either. I'm pissed. But she was always wearing a house coat over men's jeans and the jeans were tucked into galoshes. No. That was her like what she wore every day and she would come out in that house coat men's jeans and giant galoshes with the things tucked into them and like full bearded, no teeth just screaming at people. I have to wonder if Stacey and Clinton could even. They could even. And you know, she would scream at small children. Root. Like she was just, and she was like, she was a dick. That's clearly. That's clearly. And so like, did the fact that she was just like a little fascinating to look at was just a little fascinating. Was it, was it interesting? She probably, that's probably why she's, she's probably just like upset that life dealt her gnarly cards. I don't know. I know. She just seems like, she seems like she kind of like leaned really hard into it. Like she liked this. And if you honestly grow a full beard, if you can say, and nothing else about the victims, they loved to be in disgusting. That was like they relished who they were. And they were, this is who they were. They were foul. Just like chewed on the glass. I don't know if you heard that. They were decaying, living people. It was unbelievable. That's heinous. Truly unbelievable. And Leonard just looked dirty and horrifying. Like he was like, he was like tall and thin. But they, and it's like, they weren't just like ugly people. Like we're not being like, they're just ugly. They were filthy. Like disgusting. And they didn't give a shit. That's foul. And they smelled. Apparently this entire family smelled horrific. Oh no, no, no, no. Like horrific. And Leonard was known as Piggy by the other farmers. And because his tank was just unreal. Yeah. And he was also super nasty and abusive to his children. Oh, so fun.
And when he wasn't just neglecting them, oh right. - So either neglecting or just beating. - Or just beating shithead. - Yeah. And Willie kind of looked more like his father. Like he had more of like that build and like that look about him. - Was that better for him? - I guess, I don't think there was really like a good option, but I suppose if you have to pick one. - I don't know. - Well, I feel like he would rather look like Mama so he could grow a beard. - But I guess I think Dave took after Mama and I'm so stuck on it. - And Willie was filthy his entire life. They all were, but like Willie was really known. - I don't like talking about dirty nests. - No, it stresses me out. - Like it makes you wanna like put teotering on and like scrub my head follicles. (upbeat music) - Well everyone used to call Willie Ratface. - Stop, that's horrible. - And he does have a rat face. - So I just wanna put it on. - Like when you look at him you're like, oh, rat face. Like that's the first thing that comes to you. If you didn't know he was called rat face you would look at him and be like, what rat face is that his name? Is that his given name? - Yeah. - Rat face, picked in. - Is that his name? - Face of a rat. - Rat face? - Year of the rat. - Yeah, no, he's a rat face. He's a rat bastard is what he is. So the farm animals, so they had a ton of pigs. They had some cattle, but this was mostly a pig farm. - Mm-hmm. - You know what's pig? - But he's living in the house pigs living outside. - It's so funny that these filthy people owned pigs because pigs are among the cleanest animals on earth. - I know, but not these pigs because they didn't treat them well at all. They didn't take care of them. But they did allow all the animals to just walk through the house. That's fucking that. - No matter what. They just walk through the house, they could shit in the middle of the house, and no one cleaned it up. Oh, that's not one person in this fucking family cleaned one day in their life. - So there's just shit around like no matter what. We will see later that when people went into this home and onto this property, every single surface and every single wall floor and ceiling was covered in feces fucking dirt, mud, no blood, just everything. They didn't clean. When I say they did not clean, there was never a point in the life of this farm that any of this family cleaned. Sometimes visitors would come and try to clean. - No. - Why did they have visitors? - Oh, just wait. Why did they have visitors? - Well, they get to that in part one. - Yes, we'll get to some of it. And boy, boy, boy howdy. - This is green. - Boy howdy. - This is a lot. - This is so much. So yeah, so animals are walking in the house. They're pissing everywhere. They're shitting everywhere. The kids had to clean out all of the pig pens before school. And there was over 200 pigs. - Jesus. - Yeah. So they went to school directly from cleaning up everything on the farm. - Shit. - So they sank to high heavens. They were filthy. And the kids were really only bathed once in a while. - What? - Lucky if they had a bath once in the week. - Ew. - Yeah. And it was probably like sitting this dirty water. - Oh, oh. - Yeah. And where was CPS? Of course, David and Willie immediately got a reputation. Like no one wanted to hang out with them. They were dirty. They were disgusting. Which is sad as kids. - Obviously. - They don't have a control over that. - No, and their sister. - Like we always say feel bad for the kid, not the adults. - Absolutely. - But at the kid at the time, you're like, that sucks. That you were like, you were sent off to school to basically get made fun of. - Yeah, exactly. - Well, and they didn't, these boys didn't really get to hang out with other kids. They were worked to the bone. And they were pretty much just neglected when they were on the farm. So they were kind of forced, they did farm labor. And then they were just like left to do whatever. - This is really reminiscent of Carl Pins' ram. - It is, right? - Yeah. - It really is. - Yeah, the sister, she had a similar experience for sure 'cause she was growing up in that house. You're gonna be stinking. - Like literal squalor. - But she was at least kind of treated by her mother like a human sometimes, like a human child. - Oh, okay. Interesting. What happened when the human moments were occurring. - She was bathed a little more. - Okay. - And she would go to like events like birthday parties with other kids and like her mom would buy her dresses and like clean her up. - Interesting. Maybe it was like something about like, what a mom having a daughter. - Yeah, I don't know what it was. And also, Willie and his mother were very close. Even though his mother was like pretty fucking terrible to him, it was one of those things. - Okay. - Kind of like an edgene thing. - Right, right. - Like you, we hear about a lot of these serial killers who get very close to their mother and are very obsessive with them. We've talked about them before. - Like an edipist call us. - But when you look at it, the relationship, you're like she was terrible to you. Why are you so obsessed with her? - 'Cause you're like somehow constantly pining for her approval. - Yeah, it's like they need her approval. And then they start equating love with pain and humiliation. And that's when Chick just goes right. - Now the picked ends, you'd think they're living in squalor that like disgusting, filthy, horrific. They had tons of money. - Really? - Tons of money. - They really? - They had tons of land. And they were selling off chunks of this land, left and right to real estate developers. - Wow. - So that's where the money's at too. - It's crazy. - That's nuts. - Now there was obviously, this place was not a very good environment to nourish young minds. - No. - I don't think, I just don't see it. They were never read to at home. Which I like tweeted about this the other day. 'Cause it's like, "Bawthorge me deeply." That like children are like going to bed at night and not having a book read to them. Or like, "Just never sat with their parents and had a book read." Like that bumps me out. - Yeah, that didn't happen in my childhood. - And that bumps me out. - I can't name you one time. My mom read me a book. - That's horrific. - My stepmom would read before we went to bed. - And like, "Mom would read." - And "Mom was like throwing books at us, left and right." - And that's what's so crazy to me is like, "My mom was always like an obsessive reader." - Oh, still is. And she was always very, I remember the one thing she always told me was, "I'll never say no to a book." So if we were out and I wanted a book, I got that book to you remember. - Do you remember? - "I'll never say no to a book." - "Mom would always get like a ton of stuff at like BJs, like go shopping and she would always go, "Why don't you girls go in the book section "and pick out what you want?" And we would stand in the book section while she did all the grocery shopping. - Yeah, and no matter what book you wanted. - And no matter how many. She was always that way because she was like, "I want you reading, read what you want to read." And she always told me, "You got to go to bed at a certain time when I was little, "but I could sit up and read." - And then it was always the thing. - And I think it's important. It's bonding, it's calm, it's safety, it's nourishing your mind, it's like doing so much for you. These kids weren't getting it. Well, there's so many studies about like what reading to your kids, especially even mother babies like can do further in life. - Exactly. So because of this and because they're not getting, any kind of help at home for school, nobody's really helping these kids at all. Willie's tests and like grades in school were not good. He was not doing well. - Because nobody's there to help him. - Yeah, he ended up being held back in second grade. And he spent his entire school career really needing extra help to get by and being in classes reserved for children with special learning needs. But he struggled, like really struggled. Willie and his brother also had like pretty unique speech issues. They could speak, they didn't have like a speech impediment, I wouldn't say. Both of their voices were just really high pitched. - Oh. - And they kind of remained to that way a little bit. - That even, that probably even added like a layer to all the bullying. - Exactly. - And then there was also, there was a slight impediment where they just couldn't pronounce certain words and sounds. Like I think they had trouble pronouncing like ours, like almost like a Boston accent. - Kind of, but it's like, it almost made it sound kind of like babyish, you know? Which I don't think they do, maybe they would do like a W almost instead of an A. - Exactly, yeah. - Exactly. So it just made it even worse. So you know, I love around them I guess. They, now I read a book that I think everybody should read. It's fucking amazing about this case. I recommend it so highly. It is called On the Farm and it's by Stevie Cameron and it's super long, super in-depth. I mean, they go into so much detail about like every aspect of this case, their lives, everything. I highly recommend it. And in that book, they talk about how the victims lived in an area in Coquitlam that they were kind of surrounded by like, you know, people that were really well off 'cause again, they're pretty well off. - Yeah. - They were like, squalor, but like you would never know that they had a ton of money. But there was a lot of like doctors who lived in the area, lawyers. So the kids, the victim kids are going to school with these doctors and lawyers kids who are treating them like shit. Because that's just what else is gonna care, like dirty farm kids. - So one of these kids, I don't know. - Talked later and was talking about how they kind of like treated them shitty. And I just had to write this quote down from this one. It's gonna make me really sad. - Woman who said that she was like a doctor's child, just because, oh no, I think it's gonna make you be like, that's ridiculous. - Oh God. - Just the end quote, the end sentence in this, I was like, you're anybody who has to say that. I'm like, you're-- - She sucks, doesn't she? - Yeah, I'm like, you're ridiculous. - Hit me with it. - We were all terrible to the victims, especially Robert Willie. I remember all of us on the road taunting him. We'd say to each other, just let him, just let us add him now and we'll make him talk. How were they different? Dirty and stinky. They always had their hair cut and a brush cut. Man, they stunk. Their house was a poor house with no yard and falling down fences. There were no big trees, only some shrubs. I even remember them at school. I don't even remember them at school at all, but I do remember them waiting for the school bus. Our bunch was mostly all doctors' kids. We were in the last couple of weeks.
the best dress and had the nicest houses. Almost everyone in the group is successful now. I bet you're not literally like that's a cunt. I bet you're not. Yeah, like what a dick. Like what the fuck sucked and they lived in a book like who cares if their house is the same or fault. Willie picked it as an absolute demon piece of shit like he should rot for all eternity. Fuck that guy. Right. I just think anybody who has to be like yeah we were totally terrible to them when they were kids and then to be like we had the best clothes and we had the nicest houses and we're all successful now like fuck off. It's just it's very elite. It just rubbed me the wrong way. I was like you don't what the fuck. And also why are you still stuck in middle school? Like you and the thing about that quote that I had to include it because I was like you tell me nothing that everybody else doesn't know but then you have to add in at the end like I'm successful. I'm so successful. And I had the best clothes when I was a kid. Okay. Okay. Awesome. Like your life. It was just so fun. It was like a nice little like what I was gonna get because who boy you need a little half like a pal cleanser because again Willie you feel bad for him when he's a kid but then oh boy you don't feel bad for him. He erases that real quick later in life. Now according to a lot of people who knew the victims apparently Willie was said to have once hidden in the carcass of slaughtered pigs if he wanted to hide away from people. So not once like a few times would hide in the carcasses of slaughtered pigs just to like if he didn't want to talk to someone he was just like I'll just hang out near that in and of itself as a case study. It's like in it's like in Star Wars when they like open that like animal and like like it it's the same thing. Yeah. It's exactly that. But at this is really sad. This is like really gonna again you get a lot of like sympathy for him as a child. Don't worry. We'll remove it all later. But what happens when he was 12 years old he had a calf that he bought. No. Don't he bought it at three and a half weeks he spent $35 on it he had saved up for it and he wanted to keep it as a pet. He did not want this to be like a farm animal it was like his animal. He was so happy. He loved feeding it he would like run home from school every day and feed it and he just wanted to take care of it and he said it was quote as pretty as the day is long. No shut up. One day he came home from school and it was missing. So he frantically went everywhere who's panicking he's asking his parents he's asking everyone and they're like maybe it just ran away like I don't know and he was like what the hell I don't know what to do and there and then I think it was his father that was like maybe you should look in the barn which to me when you find out what happens you're like wow you're a demon. What did he do to it? When he looked in the barn the calf was dead hanging upside down by a hook. Why? He had butchered his pet for me or just to be honest they had just butchered it for me. Willie lost it and Louise offered him money to buy a new one. Why would he go get another one but you're just going to do the same fucking thing and he was devastated. Oh my god that's really devastated. There's a quote in the same book from Willie himself and he says and here I seen the calf hanging upside down there they butchered my calf on me. Oh boy I was mad. I couldn't talk to anybody for three or four days. I locked everybody out of my own mind. I didn't want to talk to anybody. That really upset me but that happens. That's life. I mean we're only here for so long when your time is over your time is over. Oh wow that's one way to get through it. That's just like so is this a case of do you feel this is a case of nature versus nurture and it's definitely nurture? I think nurture plays a really big role in this. Do you think that if he grew up with a different family like an amazing family he would have done all this? I don't know because when you find out what he does he's real fucked up but he's real fucked up. This house seems like it would fuck some of me. Well that's the thing. I think that this I mean I definitely think nurture had a huge role in this. I do. You have to think he had two siblings and they didn't go on to do things like this. Dave grew up to be a shithead too. Was he like a murder? No well no. I can't say confirmed. Not confirmed. I mean nothing there's no charges against him or anything like that but like I wouldn't be shocked. Like if they came out that all of a sudden they were like oh look he did it too. The sister Linda moved away from the family and she turned out great but here's the thing she was treated a little bit better and she moved away from the family pretty early on. So I mean so you that she was raised in a different environment pretty much. You can you can say that nature versus nurture maybe it's nurture? Yeah maybe it was like you know partially this whole like raising him this way neglecting abusing treating him like this and then also bringing him around because of course kids who grow up on a farm like learn how to slaughter animals they see stuff but I think that on top of how they were treating him already really like melded into something terrible. Yeah it was like a deadly mixture. Exactly. Now at 14 years old he ended up leaving school for good. It's a strange story. I guess he had like bought a pen at the store that was what do you remember those pens that you'd like turn one way and something would like come down? No. Okay well there was these cool pens. Sorry there was one that was like there was a lady on the pen and then you'd like flip it this way and her like dress would fall off. Oh that's a lot. I didn't have that pen but I'm sure but Willie had that pen. He bought that pen so it's like a naked lady and then you turn it the other way and the clothes go back on. That's funny. It's like yeah it's just like a gas ridiculous. Well the principal at school threatened to beat him if he didn't get rid of the pen. Okay that's one way to handle it. So Willie was like buy and just left. Okay so it never came back. I love that that was the straw that broke Willie's back. Yeah that was it. That was the naked lady that broke Willie's back. That was it. The naked lady pen that were naked ladies. No the two boys ended up taking on a lot more workload at the farm. No that they weren't in school. Yeah and David was still in school but he was still taking up a big load and before Willie had even left school they would leave midday. Midday during the school day to come home, swap the pigs and then come back. Now what does swap the pigs mean? I'm not quite sure. Okay I think it's like feed. Oh okay like do throw it on that too. That's what I think swap the pigs. I think it's just like pig things just just pig things to yeah. Just pig things. Can't talk right now I'm doing pig things shit. I think it's yeah whatever things pigs need. I think that's what slopping is. I'm pretty sure. All righty. Let us know. Do you have a pig? HMD is slop it? I don't know. Sounds rough. It doesn't sound nice. I want to nourish my pig. It really does. And then the boys both started flat out missing school and that's when Willie left school anyways but David was missing school all the time. They were both exhausted and filthy all the time. There wasn't even a shower in the house and there was like a basin for bathing. No. Now in 1963 they moved to another farm and they actually like took the farmhouse they had and like moved it. They moved the shit house. Why would you not just get any house? I because they are the pickedins. But they're shit in there living the pickedins. They're rich. You know why? Because they like living in shit. This is how they like to be. Do you think that they're just like one with the animals? No. I think they're just disgusting animals themselves. All righty. So they moved from the place they were at first which was Dawes Hill to 963 Dominion Avenue. At this new place they had 700 pigs. They like really they busted the farm. They busted the house. 700 pigs. Now Linda the sister was like goodbye. She was like you know what I'm gonna go stay with other family and Vancouver because she was like you're all fucking gross so I'm gonna I'm gonna get out of here. She was like there's 700 pigs here and I don't think we need another. She was like I'm gonna take my leave. I think this is my time to like soft shoe out of here. Goodbye. I'm surprised they let her let that that that that that that that that that - That's like one. - Yeah, I don't know. - I think she was just like, bye. - Wow, okay. - She basically didn't really have a lot of contact, especially with the parents after this? - Why, I wonder. That's so strange. - She did talk to her brothers later once in a while, but it was only for business things, basically, 'cause they were still running the farm once the parents died. So, when Willie left school for good at 14, Dave was still in school, like I said, and weirdly, he like dated a ton, was like super gross. - Now, who the mother thought, yeah. - Stinky Dave. - I think the whole world, I think all of Canada still has this. They're all like show yourselves. - I'm not even a show your face. - Yeah, show your face, because he was disgusting. - Like he was disgusting. - You said so. - Fowl. - Stank. - Stank. - Like rotten meat. - Like what makes Stanky Chop's Ramirez look like? - Yet literally, a smother fucker alive. - Like Stanky Chop's, his breath smelled like wet leather, everybody said which to me, when you say wet leather, I'm like just did it and I acted like a-- - I gagged. - It worse than that. - That made him look like Mr. Clean, like, shaved Stinky Chop's head through a white t-shirt. Good to go. - Exactly, but I guess in school, Dave was like somewhat normal when it came to like interacting with peers and stuff. He just kind of like, so I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - He's smelly, but churny. - He's disgusting. Like he looks like what, like the inside of like, a hemorrhoid feels like it would look like. - It smells like an infected sore. - Ooh, but like, let's hang with it. - All right, so listen, I'm gonna need you to get past it. - I'm gonna need you to get past it.
this part because I cannot handle it. I just gotta do it. I shower sometimes two times a day if I get sweaty. I mean I love being clean. If that's not your bag, that's not your bag. Being clean is my favorite thing on the planet definitely. Nothing like washing your hair and your body and it's like keeping up with yourself. Glendliness is definitely a big thing for me. It's key. If it's not for you like that's cool if your life like don't murder people also because if you are dirty and murder people that's boom boom. Don't be dirty though. It's not healthy. It's not healthy. That's true. It's not good for anyone. Now either way, once Dave or once Willie left school, the two of them were basically full-time farm hands at this point. Willie was given the task because he was at a school now so they were like okay we're gonna teach you how to become a butcher and like slaughter. I was probably the worst thing they ever taught him. So certainly was because he started training to slaughter the pigs in cattle. He would slaughter as many as two dozen animals in one day alone. That's a lot of animals to slaughter. 24. That's a lot. And this kind of became his thing. No. Like he loved it. So that's very good at it. He loved it. If you're a butcher like wowie because howie get it. Thanks for the steak. Yeah. Sorry if you're a vegan, trigger warning. But you shouldn't like enjoy the he was enjoying like the killing. Oh he was enjoying the process a little too much. I feel that you should enjoy the process. No you shouldn't you should just do it. Like this is just something I do. And he kind of did it hurt like pretty horrifically too. I don't I didn't really. One thing I didn't do was like look into exactly how you slaughter a pig because like I'm I'm gonna be honest I'm not really interested in reading about that. But I did see it just like trigger warning because this whole thing has like animal things in it. Like I'm not gonna talk super like a ton about it. But I just want to it sprinkled it in there. Yeah. It's not for everybody because it's really not for me. It's really not. It's not for me. Now people would like who later we'll see people at this big farm becomes a hangout later. What the fuck? I know it's weird. Why? But people are around and people would come in and like see him slaughtering things and would kind of like hang around and watch him do it like just to see it. Even that is pretty bizarre. And see his methods. What he would do which was really weird. And I'm sure other people are gonna think this is weird is he would shoot the pigs sometimes in the forehead with a nail gun. I don't think that's part of like slaughtering and butchering. I don't think that's part of it. No, there's no way. Doesn't seem humane to me because then he would just slice their artery on the back of the leg. Stick a hook in it and hoist them up by their back legs and then just let them bleed to death. Yeah, that's not how you do it. That makes me so. So right here. Because pigs also pigs are when it's very intelligent. They're pigs are smarter than dogs. Yeah, they're very intelligent. They're like literally like top of the list. Oh yeah. So they knew what was happening. Yeah, it's horrific. I hate that. I need to go home right now and hug for a couple of minutes. I know it made me want I like snuggled. This has been such a week for me with Franklin and Lux. So the fact that we're doing this right now, like, thanks a lot. We won't talk too much about the animals, but it just has to be it's part of him as a horrible person. And of course, he would just like, you know, slaughter the animal. I got it and everything and he would catch the blood and everything underneath and you know, a neighbor said that they remember going into the home and it was fucking disgusting. Like a neighbor was like, I had to go in there once for something and it was like and I never did that again. Like, we had all heard about it, but you are not prepared for it until you see it. He said there was no furniture at all. What? It was just garbage everywhere. And he said in the middle of the living room, there was just a dirty mattress on the floor. And he said there was just like food, dirt, garbage everywhere. Can you imagine the bugs? Exactly. He said there were bugs crawling everywhere. Flying around. And then he said with weird, he said all of the kitchen cabinets had locks on them and only Louise had the key. What the fuck? And I read that in the on the farm book. Like that's there's bugs all over me. Fuck, fuck, fuck, I hate it. So the mother was like locking food away from them. Like what the fuck? I just feel so closer. Now they were raising these pigs obviously to be slaughtered. That's what this is. It's a meat. They wanted, they were in the meat business. How do you need 700 of them? Well, in 1965 the family registered a business as B&C frosted foods and frosted foods meaning like frozen meat. Louise was like the head of the business. She ran that trip. She ran that family and she ran that business. Louise was the one in charge. I want to know more about her child. She's a lot. I really want to know about her child. Maybe I'm trying to look for it for the party. I don't know if I'll find anything, but I'll look. And the farm was registered as B&C frosted food bank. So this was the 60s. So not a lot of people have like big meat freezers. It just wasn't like a prevalent thing. Just a little ice box. And if you're going to buy meat, like big things of frozen meat, especially like a butchered like fresh meat, you need to keep it cold. Yeah. So people didn't. And people didn't have the means to do that, but they needed the meat. So the pickedins decided to take advantage of the fact that they were making bank on like selling real estate and use the cash to buy up a ton of industrial freezers like a hundred of them. And they used these to set up a business where they could keep the meat that customers bought from their farm. So they would store it for them if they didn't have means to keep it. It was pretty smart. And they also helped like other farmers store meat there. And locals referred to this place as the meat locker. But in reality, Louise changed the name of the business. And she she changed the name to B&C lockers at the end of it. So she kind of like like leaned into what people were calling it. Here's the thing though. If their house is that mother fucking gross, why do you want those people storing your food? You don't. I also hint hint don't want the meat that they're selling. No. Why tell me right now. I can tell you right now. I will not tell you. You are serving human. I don't know. Bitch. No. I did not know that was part of this. It's it's part one or part two. Tell me right now. We'll go with part two. I'll go for it. So October 17th 1967. What happens? This is the first big like oh boy this family is fucked moment. Like no, but I mean like before this, you're like it's a gross family. Yeah. Like you're just like now we're adding fucked on top of it. Yeah. Like before this, you're kind of like what the like what leather faces family looks like before you know that they kill people. You're like wow this is a gross family. I don't want to think tell me. Yeah, just like a lot is going on here. Well, October 17th 1967, David the younger brother got his license. Uh oh. And he's using the trucks that the farm uses like his dad's truck. One day he's driving the truck and he hits a 14 year old boy walking down the street. This boy's name was Timothy Barrett and he was walking home from a friend's home. So David hit him like pretty hard and then panicked and drove back home to the farm leaving this kid bleeding in the middle of the road. Jesus. So he immediately tells his parents. He tells Louise and Leonard and they just their first thought is not like oh we need to call the police. Their first thought is okay, let's look at the damage on the truck. Okay, so they go out they see giant damage in the truck. There's like they said it was like like a bowl shaped dent where obviously his head hit and the truck had blood all over it and they did what any parents would do. They had David bring the truck to the family mechanic to fix the dent and pain over the blood and the the family mechanic was like sure. Sure. Sounds good. And Louise went to look for Timothy. Okay, she was like oh you hit someone. Where did you hit him? Okay, I'm going to go find him real quick. Why? So the mechanic when when David brought the truck to him was like okay. What happened? And he was like okay I can fix this dent because he was like which he said it was weird because he's like all their vehicles would like beat a shit and he was like and all the paint was flaking off of them and he's like it was weird that he came in to fix this. Brandtically needing me to fix this dent and pain over this stuff like he was like why does this matter to you guys are disgusting. Yeah. Why would this matter? Because it's evidence. So he so the mechanics freaked out. He fixes the dent but he's like I'm not painting over whatever that is. Yeah, he was like you can figure that out. I'm not painting over that very evident blood. Yeah, he was like I'm not getting involved in this. So David told him you know I was like doing stuff on the farm and he said something about like a log fell over and like fell on the front of the front. It started bleeding. It's the craziest thing. He was like so weird. And the mechanic was like yeah that doesn't match up with the damage but like again I don't want to do with this. So he knew something bad was happened but he also was really nervous to push it because he was like the picked ends are fucked and I don't want to be part of this like yeah I don't know what's going on here. So meanwhile Louise found Timothy badly hurt still in the middle of the road still lying there and her motherly instincts told her not to call for medical attention. Well, she doesn't have motherly. But instead they told her to roll this boy 10 feet off the road into a ditch and then leave him there and go home. Are you fucking kidding me? Their mother rolled this boy bleeding this 14 year old boy in the middle of the road that her son hit with his car into a ditch and then just went home. Like I feel like that makes the problem 10 times worse than just calling him.
pulling the police about a hit and run. - Oh, don't worry, it did. Because when Timothy's family didn't hear from him, they formed a search party and called the police and they eventually stumbled upon his shoe in the middle of the road. She had not moved to that. It was his father who was a Royal Canadian Air Force member, by the way, who found his shoe. And when he picked it up, he said to his friend who was helping with the search, oh my God, this is Tim's shoe. - Oh no. - Which I can't even imagine. - No, no, no. - So they follow, they can see blood. And they follow to the ditch and found Timothy dead in the ditch. He had been pushed into water at the bottom of the ditch. His father apparently like collapsed. - Obviously. - Dr. CJ Cody, who's a pathologist at the Royal Columbian Hospital in New Westminster, was the one who performed the autopsy. And what they found was that Tim had a dislocated and fractured pelvis. - Oh. - He had hemorrhaging in the back of his head and hemorrhaging all of his body. A fractured skull with a subcranial hemorrhage that, but he didn't die from any of those injuries. - No. And none of those injuries were technically life threatening. - Yeah, he absolutely could have been saved by that. - He had died when he drowned in the ditch with all of that damage onto his body already. - Louise murdered him. - Yes. - Now luckily, the mechanic was watching the evening news, saw this and he was like, oh, no. - Like he's like, this is too much, like I feel like this has, so he called the police. - Good. - And he was like, I just gotta tell you what happened. Like he came in, he looked for me to do this, like there was damage, I feel like it's connected. - He's like, let's keep this anonymous as fuck. - Yeah, he was like, please don't tell them it's me. Now, Louise searched the victim place and matched paint from their vehicle to Tim's body. - Oh my God. - And he was a juvenile at the time. David was placed on probation and just had his license revoked until 21. - What about Louise? Did they not find out that that's what she did? - Exactly. - He was charged with leaving the scene of an accident. - How about the leaving the scene of a dead man? - But they didn't like, they were just like, - Oh, yeah, I did it. - Yeah. It's insane to me. - That's nuts. - Insane to, I mean this woman murdered a child. Like they are literally demons. - All of them. - Terrifying. It starts from the ground up. - And tells poor family. - Yeah, it's horrific. Now let's go to New Year's Eve 1978. - Do I want to? - Ding Dong Leonard died. - Sorry Leonard. - Violin, it sounds like he sucked. - He sucked too. He was an abusive asshole. - Right. - So David moved his, like apparently like no, was too upset about it. But David ended up moving his 17 year old girlfriend, Sandy into the house. - And how old is he at this point? - He at this point I think was 20 something. - Okay. - Yeah, like not crazy older but still. They ended up having two children together. - Okay. - Named Tammy and Douglas John, with a called DJ. They soon split because obviously David is like a monster. So, and she moved to the kids away with her. - Good. - Now Willie was apparently devastated because he was in love with Sandy. - Bitch. - Like obsessed. He had asked her to marry him once. - That's not a problem. - And she was like no thank you. - She was like I'm actually with your brother. - She's like no. - And I'm actually on my way out. - And she's like you're actually like more than disgusting but thank you. - She's like so's your brother and I realize that. - Exactly. - So that's interesting. Sandy does come back later but same year in, what was it, 1978 there was a fire on the farm and it killed 600 pigs. - Oh no. - Which is devastating and also devastating to the business. Like that's huge. - I don't think I'm gonna talk about their business. - But just saying. So Willie had begun to have at this point, he like started to have this like, it's not normally weird but was for him. I'm like everything he does is weird. He loved collecting pen pals, mostly in all women. - Yeah. - He only wanted to talk to women. And he actually visited one of his favorites. A girl named Connie Anderson. And she lived in Pontiac, Michigan and claimed later that, so, excuse me. And then later he claimed that when he went out there to visit her that he was approached to become a male model. - Honey. - But that he turned it down. - That's like when the people approach you in the mall and you take it serious. - Yeah. - It's just, if that even happened. - And he said it was like on the way to Pontiac, Michigan. Like he stopped in a few areas and he was like, one day I was just walking down the street and they were like, do you wanna be in pictures? (laughing) And when they said pictures, you don't think they met horror films. - Like fucking willy thing. Like he's a fucking goblin. He's the worst. His shit radiates from the inside out. That's why he's so ugly, 'cause he's so horrific inside. And it's like for him to sit there. And even now he just claiming he's gonna be a male model. Like fuck you dude. - Yeah. - Your nickname was Ratface. Get outta here. He's just the worst model for like how to not take care of your stuff. - He is. And I know what he's done. So like I'm able to separate like this like sadness from like obviously. - Yeah, obviously. - Yeah, and it's like he's trust me. You're gonna be like, (laughing) but yeah. And after visiting with Connie, he said he thought they were like, he basically said they were engaged. - Tell me. - Like he was like, we met each other. We fell in love for a engaged. Did Connie later say, no. - Yeah, later he got home and Connie was like, no. Like we're not engaged. I think they kind of like, it seemed very juvenile. They're the whole thing. - Sure. - But it's just like an interesting little tidbit. In 1979, the next year, Louise died from cancer. - R.I.D. - A murderer. - So rest. - Willie was devastated. He was the only one who was truly devastated apparently. Everyone else just kind of moved on. - Listen, David's asthma had been devastated. Yeah, his mom, like that straight up murder should really put it all out there for you. But Willie was really sad because he was really close to his mother. He had actually taken care of her until her death. Like he bathed her, he changed her, he fed her. - Nice of him to bathe her. - Because she didn't bathe right. - She didn't bathe you when you were a kid. But she left and this is even further of a kick in the ass to Willie. So she left Linda and David in charge of the farm. - Linda left yoass. - And David is the youngest. - Yeah, that's shitty. - Like what? And left them money, but said in her will that only, so Willie was left money as well. But he couldn't get his money right away. Only he couldn't get his money right away. - Why? - Not until he turned 40 and only if he stayed at the farm until he turned 40. - 40, he was pissed. - Well, and why? She just did that to be a bitch. No idea what she thought. I don't know if she was thinking, he was irresponsible with that. - Yeah, I don't know if she knew what he was deep down inside and was trying to stop him from going out in the world or like stop him from having the available resources to further what he was. I don't know. Or I don't know if that was just her being like, fuck you. I'm just gonna fuck with you from the grape. - That's so weird. - It's very strange. - Now David at this time, because now they all own the farm. Linda's moved away still. So she's just like kind of dealing with it from afar, but Willie and Dave now are running this farm. - Right. - David had also started a business to like delivering topsoil and he was taking it from the farm. But the farm soil was like all contaminated and shit. So he was selling like fucked up topsoil. - Yeah, but he didn't care. And he also got another girlfriend named Vicki Evans at the time and he moved her in. There's a ton of this like where girls move in here. Girls move out. It's a ton. And Willie was actually good to her two younger sisters who were like young. They were like 14 and six. They would come to the farm until like see the animals. - Yeah. - See the filth. And I guess he was really good to them. By all accounts, he seemed to be very good with kids, which is very random. - It's always strange when that's like the one weird, weirdly like not redeemable characteristic, but like the characteristic that you just don't think you're gonna see. - So Ed Kemper doesn't Ed Kemper like read children's stories in prison. - He like reads audiobooks. - That's wild. - Yeah, he's strange. So he's pretty strange. That's one way to describe Edmund Kemper. I wanna talk to him someday. - I do too. - So bad. - So Willie stopped at this point trying to become like a butcher. He stopped, he was, 'cause he was in like an apprenticeship. Like that was what they started him on. He was six and a half years into an apprenticeship. He only had six months to go. - Before he would get a certificate that would allow him to work as a butcher anywhere in Canada. - So he could have gotten out of there. - And he just stopped. Yeah, he just stopped. And he started getting junk cars and like buying cars at auctions that he would let just like rot on the farm. - So that's why his mom didn't get a mom money. - And I guess he did get like a small sum up front from his mom, but like that was it. He wasn't getting the rest until 40. And he was just still being disgusting. And the farm was getting worse and worse 'cause now there's cars rotting on the property. Like the topsoil business is just like, there's more trust in there. - Imagine the topsoil business while the cars are like rotting into the earth. - Yeah, exactly. Like spilling out like gas and fuel. - And shit like really damaged people in Canada. - Well soon their business ventures turned into more and more legal shit. So David started gambling. - It's crazy. - It's crazy. - It's crazy. - I know, I don't know if you just heard me read just. - Like I can't, I can't. - Let me get cozy. - Now David started dabbling in demolition. So he was starting to do like, you know, - Is that a legal? - No, this wasn't really like a legal issue. - Oh, 'cause like he was demoing like properties and stuff with a company. But will he begin working with the,
local hell's angels. And so was David. Now they were having, that's when we get into the illegal shit. That's usually when things go awry here. He was using the farm to store stolen cars there with the hell, it was like a whole connection thing. And he would take those stolen cars apart and he would sell the parts. So it was basically becoming a chop shop now. All the farm. Yes. So now there's all these cars everywhere. They're all torn apart, this parts everywhere. Oh man. So illegal. And apparently though, Willie was very adept at cars. Oh, like he didn't have any formal training at all, but he was like, he could take a part of that. He could put it back together. He could fix anything on it. It was just something he was very good at. And that's really slaughtering, apparently. That's really hard. It is. It's a weird talent to randomly just have. So not learned. While this is happening, they're still trying to make the farm run as a pig and meat business. But it was madness. So they hired some younger guys to work at the farm. A lot of these guys that they were hiring were like, nared wells. You know what I mean? Like they're not like the cream of the crop here. Willie would basically say he would pay them and then he would just not pay them. Like they were always doing scams like that. But then the hells angels would intimidate them and make them steal cars for them. So these young kids are coming on the farm and now being forced to steal cars. They're being bullied into fucking crime. Now the cops at the time kind of knew this was all happening. We're basically like, eh. I don't know what to do about it. Like whatever. I'm not doing that shit. They were like, I'm actually not heading out to the paint to the farm. Not heading out to the farm. I'd like to get my lunch in my tummy. And like I said, the farm is now becoming a place for nared wells to hang out. (upbeat music) And Willie ran it like basically anyone, 'cause he had these weird things where he saw himself as like someone who helped people. Like Robin Hood. Yeah, like he said, anyone down on their luck could just come to the farm. So then it just became-- How they knew they were down on their luck. Yeah, that's how you know when you're going to the Picton Farm. It's actually synonymous with rock bottom. And at this point, Dave is getting driving violations because as we know from the other story, Dave is not a great driver. He got a, he actually committed sexual assault on a female worker at a construction site. He like somehow like got her into a trailer on the work site and like sexually assaulted her. She got, he got a slap on the wrist for that because his criminal friends started intimidating her to drop the charges. Oh, that's awful. Yeah. So he's a piece of shit. That's why like when I said like Dave is like, I don't know. He's a little more quiet on that issue. So she, this girl, like, ended up moving to another city. Oh. Like it was horrible. Now he was a dick still and he's starting to date multiple women. He's abusing women like he's awful too. Vicki left him after 11 years, which was a good fuck. Why did you say that there for 11 years? Well, he immediately replaced her with another woman named Kathy Wayanberg. She was a mother of two. She and a woman named Karen Kaufman were basically always at the farm during these days. And there were rager parties on the farm now with like bikers and shit. It was bonkers. This is not real. This is what I'm talking about. This doesn't sound real. No, this is not real. Because this place became like a place for like all the criminals of the underworld to just converge on and just rage. Like they were just, there was so much drugs on this like so many drugs on this farm. There was illegal shit happening all the time. Like women were getting sexually assaulted. Like, we'll find out later there's even more shit going on. It's just, it's like, I can't even. When does the meth lab get built? It's honestly, it's probably already there. Now they would all just like, they would like dance party, have like bonfires and just like all this stuff. But Willie just kind of like hung around. He was a lurker. He was quiet. Willie was a wallflower. He was. Like people said they remember him during these days as being like somewhat pleasant, just like quiet and shy. Like you would hang around for a little while and then not participate. Okay. One weird thing is that one afternoon Dave brought Kathy and Karen down to the basement in the house because he was like, I want to show you where Willie, like I wanted to just like show you who Willie is. And they were like, what? I'd be like, I don't want to. Now Willie's. Willie's bedroom was in the basement. And it's like a whole farmhouse and they were like, you stay in the basement. It was dark and dank and like filthy in there. Of course. He only had a mattress on the floor. That's it. The mattress had a large dark stain in the middle of it. Which I just like take a moment. It's probably just like, yeah, just jizz. Oh my god. I am going to. I will be shocked by part three. I haven't thrown up once. He also had one book of local history. Oh, sweetie. And then he also had a taxidermied horse head on the wall. And it was his horse Goldie who he loved and he had taxidermied after he died. Oh, right. Now they're standing there and Dave is basically showing them like my brother's real gross. And being like they were like he was like, I know that he's very quiet and like unassuming, but like don't trust him. Okay. Which they were like, okay, while they're standing there, Willie showed up and you didn't go into Willie's room because that was a no now. What was he hiding? All kinds of shit. Well he said, if you bring them here again, I'll kill I'll kill both of them. Okay. Like he literally said that and they were like, oh, I'd be like, we'll be going now. Then over dinner that night, he threw a glass of milk in Karen's face. Like just so he got to know where. Okay. Yeah. Root. And she, after that, she stopped coming to the farm. She was like, I have had enough of that. That's weird. And she said rumors started circling that the Picton brothers were making snuff films and that the meat on the farm was not just animal meat. And she said she would never eat meat from that farm. She was like, I didn't, I wouldn't do that even when I was hanging at the farm. Oh my God. Oh my God. They supplied meat to a lot of Canada. Oh. Yeah. Oh. Yep. They, yeah, yeah. And I don't, I, oh, this is ready for the, you want to hear? No, no, just give me a second. Can you, let me submit more into what kind of people we're dealing with. I think I know. I think I did. I think I did. I think I did. There was a sign that said we're trash. What's that passing pit bull with AIDS? So these are the kind of people are talking about. In case anybody feels any kind of like, oh, these people are just like weird and like, don't feel bad for them. Just in case, because like I know sometimes when you hear about like a sad childhood, it's hard to like separate. This is not hard to disassociate. Let me just tell you, these are the lowest of the low shit heads. That's so shit. Yeah. Now, around this time, Willie started bringing parts left over from slaughter to a rendering plant called West Coast Reduction. Rendering plants basically like render down the leftover. It's like you drop off the leftover portions. You can't use after slaughter like bones, feathers, you know, hair, all that shit. And they like render it down into gelatin a lot of times. And it's used in like candy and makeup and like other things that like people to use. Which is fine because usually they check these things. They make sure that they're like whatever buckets are coming in are like what they say they are. But he did it so often that he became kind of a regular and they wouldn't even check his buckets. Oh no. So they would just wave him in. So there was like a dead body in your mascara. When he couldn't bring them there himself like sometimes when he couldn't get a card like he just didn't want to or he couldn't. He would have like the rendering plant drivers because they would come and like pick up your stuff. Yeah. And for them and one worker named Jim Cress recalled picking up some barrels for Willie. And he said after a while he noticed that there was like legit meat in the buckets and he was like you don't render down meat like you saved meat or like not. It doesn't make sense. And then he said the meat appeared black and in large portions. Is it like people's organs? It could have been like decay. Yeah. It could have been somebody that had black skin. It also could have been somebody that had been beaten and their skin had turned black. It could have been somebody that was burned. And he number of things because he said he was weird. He didn't want to look at it and he just kind of like moved about. He said it was really scary and he didn't want to take those buckets. I think he got rid of those ones but he said it was weird. He was like there shouldn't be meat in rendering buckets. And he said it was like a lot of meat. Okay. So, when Willy began going to this rendering plant pretty regularly, it was in town. And it was in a place called the downtown east side in Vancouver. It was a pretty well known like block of like basically where a lot of sex workers were. There was a lot of areas that were like very well known like drug like drug hangouts like places people could get drugs. Yeah. It was just like there were parts that were very like not the best parts in town. Very scary. There were other parts that were like fine but like there was just you know there was a lot going on. So during this time that he's going down here, he started looking for sex workers because he's like I'm here. I'm lonely. Why not? Yeah. So he started picking them up regularly. Oh my god. I'm going to. Yeah.
worker and Willie picked in was like you, you, I'd be like, no, you couldn't give me enough money. Oh yeah, there's plenty of women that were like, no, thank you, sir. Oh man. Thank you, sir. No, sir. No, sir. No, sir. No, sir. No, sir. No, sir. No, sir. So yeah, it's no good. I need to just, yeah, yeah. I really, I don't love it. How did you research this for this? There's a lot. Also, who, why did you want to hear about this guy? There's so much. I'm not shaming you at all. Remember, so Karen had moved out. She was not coming to the farm anymore. Milked to the face. Now, Kathy, the one who was living there with David at that point, she moved out with her two daughters eventually. My god, she had two daughters. She had two daughters. Now, the farm was getting worse and worse by this point. I love that every few paragraphs. It's like, now the farm was getting worse. It's getting even worse and it does. It gets worse. Now, it's legitimately littered with old rotting cars and just garbage everywhere. Dave started forcing his employees, like his drivers or people who worked on the farm to participate in stealing cars for him, like on the regular now. Every night, the farm was a fucking madhouse. There was just all the drivers and workers would come back and party. And like, the bikers would come, like, drugs every, it just became every single night. It is insane. Yeah. And they basically, everybody who came, so they just knew Willie is like the dirty, stinky, quiet, weird guy. That's just what they all knew. And Dave was like a giant asshole to Willie, even though he was a younger brother, he would just allow people to steal shit out of his room and stuff. He was just a dick and they would let people just tease him and tear him down like shit. He did develop a crazy insane temper because he was just constantly, obviously, fight people. Yeah. And at one point, Dave and him, they got in fights all the time. They just did not get along. And it's interesting because it didn't seem like throughout his childhood, he showed any like rage or anger. No, there isn't any real like indication of that. No, but they've been like the pigs. Yeah, exactly. I think that was like how he got through it almost. But him and Dave had this huge knockdown drag out fight. And Dave kicked Willie out of the house, was like, get out. Oh. So Willie ended up sleeping on a freezer in the barn for literally months. Oh, yeah. And he just didn't care. He was like, whatever, I'll sleep on here. Okay. Like that was probably like he was like, cool. Now David ended up buying some mobile homes for his business, like the demolition business that they would like put on the job sites. And he let Willie live in one in the back of the property because he was like here now we can be like, because you know, we can stay away from each other now. And everyone has a place to stay. You have your privacy. Like they kind of were trying to like mend it. Yeah, just make it better. Their brother. And he Willie was like very happy with it. Cool. So eventually he moved his motor home to where the demolition Dave was doing like on the job site because he was starting to work for Dave like helping with the demolition. And so this was in North Vancouver. So he was like, why not just like sleep on the job site? And he just drove it out to the work site and parked it there. And then he would also he was very close to downtown area. So and that that was the reason he did it. Yeah. Because then he would just drive into the area, pick up sex workers. It became kind of routine for him. Now this is also when he started hanging out in motel bars and like really CD places to pick up vulnerable people. He liked the Astoria hotel in Hastings, which was apparently a very regular hangout for very interesting characters. And he would just kind of hang out. He would buy everyone drinks because he had tons of money. Wow. And he would bring girls home. Oh, that was just like his thing. He had tons of cash because they were genuinely making shit tons of money. And he was kind of like using it to like make people want to hang out with him. Why wouldn't you just like use it to like get yourself a house and a shower? Because I think they liked as much as like obviously like, you know, his brother was a dick. I think like people were genuinely fine to him. Like nobody was like really mean to him except for Dave. And I think everybody just kind of thought he was weird, but they just kind of put up with him. I think he liked who he was. Like he liked being disgusting. He liked being filthy. He liked being a fucking dick. And I just can't wrap my head around it. Yeah. Well, I can't wrap my head around not wanting to feel clean. Yeah. Now I can't either. I can't really can't either. No, around this time is when a record number of mostly indigenous sex workers were going missing. And nothing was being done about it. Nothing was really being looked into. It was kind of like their less dead because of their lifestyle. Of course. And it was, but it was becoming a point where people were like, there's like a serial killer out here. Right. We're not even seeing bodies most of the time. Sometimes they would be bodies, but a lot of times they just disappeared. Right. Because they were in Dave's demolition sites. It's well, this woman named Kim Penderton was a police reporter for the Vancouver Sun. And she with another reporter Neil Hall were like adamant to get the police to take indigenous women, especially those working as sex workers, disappearances. Seriously. Yeah. So they hounded police about it. They kept writing about the cases. And they were like, trust trying to bring attention to it. They interviewed the family members. Really got to know each of these women who they were wrote pieces about them to humanize them because they again had been seen as less dead and less human because of their jobs and their circumstances. And sometimes of who they were, like just native. So it's like in 1987, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Force, they do, they did make a task force that they were going to investigate at least 17 disappearances and murders in the area. Finally. And by 1989, they had pretty much given up on this task force. I believe the task force was called like Project Amelia. Oh. Was the first one. Later it becomes Project Evenhanded. And that's like the one that actually like did something. So that's going on. This is in the background. In the background of this story is all of these missing women happening. But realistically, that's the forefront of this. While Willie is doing his thing. And eventually, it all just gets brought to the forefront. Now let's talk about a woman named Lisa Yelts. She was 38 years old when she met Willie. And her son was friends with Willie's nephew. And the way that they met was that on one evening, I think it was New Year's Eve actually. She called the picked-in-home looking for her son and wanting him to come home because he had and called it was New Year's Eve. She was worried about him. And instead her son was friends with the nephew. Exactly. Dave's son, DJ. Okay. So Willie did her solid. He was like, I'll find him and I'll bring him home for you. Like I'm going to help you out. So because I think the picked-in-farm was only like a few houses down from hers. Okay. They became fast friends. Like she appreciated it. They just got to talking. They formed a real bond. Like they were not in a relationship. Like a sexual relationship. They were just very bonded. She would go to the farm from there and out. She would help him out. She would try to clean up his motorhome form. She became kind of the voice of reason. Like talking him down when he needed to talking down. Telling him that he was disgusting and stinky when he was disgusting and stinky. And like she was the only one he would listen to. Okay. Almost like a mother figure. Yeah. Like there was times when like he respected her at sea. Yeah. So like a sister. Yeah. So she would like randomly just be like, dude, you're fucking gross. You gotta take a shower. I can smell you. Like please, just go do something. And he would be like, what's weird is people said that he took care of his teeth really well. That's just like an interesting. Maybe he like didn't like the taste of bad breath. But it's like you already fell like like just basement goblin who like rolls around in your own shit and pegs shit and like other things. Well, do you like gotta brush your teeth? Well, things hurt. They do. So maybe he didn't want to get shit. Like maybe he had a bad experience and was like, I'm not doing that again. Because I'm just shocked by it. It's just like doesn't seem like something that would be high on the priority list. No, it definitely doesn't. Just very weird. But also I feel like he didn't want to spend his money like fixing his teeth. No, he definitely didn't. So he's like, I'll just do that myself. Good point. So he said they became so close they were like siblings. But she said it always but it's just funny now. She said it always bothered her. How much he reminded her of Edgine. What the fuck? Which like you never yeah your brother friend shouldn't remind you. Yeah, you never want someone who's very close to you like to have an Edgine vibe. No, let's let's never keep the Edgine kind of company. Yeah, remove the people from your life that remind you of Edgine. That's just my personal advice. Yeah, I think it works. I think it's a nice blanket statement. I don't know. I agree. She said that both Dave and Willie were super paranoid around about cops. Whenever they were driving or doing anything and she assumed it was just all the shady dealings at the farm and she was like, they're probably just always worried about them showing up. Yeah, but now she knows it was definitely a lot more than that especially when he was driving like Willie was very concerned about a cop pulling him over. Oh yeah. In the same book in like at the farm Lisa said I always had this thought in the back of my mind that Willie could be a serial killer. Why? And then she said, but I was never afraid of him myself. I knew he would never hurt me. That is a lot of faith in somebody to she that is keeping a lot of faith in your friend. Like there's never been a point where I've been like, I always wondered if my friend was a serial killer, but like I didn't do anything about it. I can't even think of one friend adjacent. Nope. That would be like that was like serial killer ask. Like if you think your friend might be a serial killer,
serial killer like evaluate even if you think your friend's friend is a serial killer also evaluate evaluate Don't if anyone you are in contact with yeah seems to be serial killer ask do something well And apparently Dave was a big dick to Lisa like he did not like Lisa And I think he didn't like her because like she was nice to Willie. Yeah, I think it was like something weird with he hated He was such a dick to his brother. He probably have like a complex where like he needed to be like the better brother Yeah, I think it was weird like a like a little man's complex because he's like the younger one or like Willie's not allowed to have like female attention Or something like that even if it's just like a friend. Yeah, cuz it seems like he like to like collect women Yeah, and she ended up working in like the slaughterhouse with Willie like she was really just like working on the farm now Okay, and when Dave apparently she said that Dave would greet her as quote how you fucking loser? How are you? What the fuck I feel like great loser. How the fuck are you? Like what the fuck? Well, by now Willie was buying selling slaughtering animals and was also doing the demolition business fixing cars auctioning cars Doing the chop shop and then started a cock fighting ring on the farm as well. That's not okay They would have huge parties and cock fights people would bet on them and the pickedins would get admission money They would sell beer and food and also portions they would get portions of the profits from the betting what the fuck like This is fucked it with and the way they describe it. It's like this. I mean cock fighting is Not something I even want to go into. No, I don't even want to talk when they describe it in the book It's just this horrific horrific event that everyone it just was and it attracts like the worst of the worst How do you stand there and watch something like that and go and put your head on a pillow at night? I don't know. I really don't know if I walk by Franklin without petting him I think to myself like I'm your fucking asshole You better backwards step and pet this shit out of that cat Shit out of that literally I walked by him the other day and I was like oh, you're so cute And then I like didn't pet him and I was like oh, I gotta go pet him. I got I got love you like Yeah, I don't know who people well They were hiring tons of people for the farm and also their various businesses that they were running But they're not paying a lot of these people they're just like fucking with them. Yeah, so all the workers were either they were like drunk 24/7 or on drugs while working and they're working with like heavy dangerous equipment driving vehicles and Soon these workers are getting pissed because they're not getting paid right now. They're having all these enemies forming These workers are stealing some of the equipment to sell to get their money. Yeah, so now the victims are losing more money than they're making sometimes because people are stealing all the shit It's just may it's a dumpster fire on a dumpster fire Yeah, and they're like constantly having vehicles wrecked by these people So they're having to deal with insurance and shit like everyone was dirty terrible and no one trusted anyone on this farm It was just fucking like you know what it is what it's worse than a dumpster fire. It's a sewer fire. It is it's like yeah, it's an L well, I just can't this is like like There should be a TLC show about this well and while this is all happening and again Remember in Vancouver at this time all these women are going missing so the sex workers took shit into their own hands because no one's helping Yeah, I got to protect you so they knew there was at least one serial killer at large praying on sex workers Imagine knowing that as a sex worker. Yeah, and so what they did was they started forming buddy systems They were in teams. They were writing down license plates They were taking note of everybody that everyone went to hell. Yeah, and they decided to help each other out and do like a bad Date list where they would add the list like the name of a man that was like a bad John like you know like just if they were Aggressive, but if they yeah anything that was bad they would add them to the list so everyone would know They were really trying to do their own thing. I feel they're just trying to like work Willy picked in must have been somewhere on those lists. He ended up on them. Yes Now in 1991 this is just like Like something that I was like oh Families of the missing women and advocates for them organized a Valentine's Day walk to remember the missing and murdered women And they would do it like every year. Yeah, and I don't know if it still goes on now. I'll have to check that But in 1996 Dave was Dem like doing demolition at a country bar in nightclub. Okay, that needed to be torn down He decided he was like hmm Why don't I make my own bar? Because I don't have anything else going on and why not like I have 87 other hats All I can do like a clock fighting ring at my house But so he he's demolishing this country bar and thinking about his own and he starts removing material from the Yes, he starts removing stuff from it like he was like I'm gonna remove you know parts of the bar and parts of the dance floor And I'll make my own on my property So he makes a janky used bar. Yeah, so he figured it would be a huge draw Because the cock fights and shit drew so many people at the farm and people are already raging at this farm And he's already got the hell's angels and their associates are always on the fire. It's wild that he didn't already have a bar Yeah, so he's like I'm on as well. Just have one and make money off of it So he had a piece of land that they had bought around the corner from the farm on Burns Road And they got this guy named Scott Chubb and Marty DeWinter obviously Obviously Scott Chubb was running the show Scott Chubb This is literally like pond stars like Chumley I just Chumley is running around all over the place I literally can't this shit is so fuck it's so weird Well, you know Scott Chubb and Marty DeWinter they helped him build this place and they named it after what everyone called their father and them Piggy So they decided it would be called Piggy's Palace I'm vomiting because they're gross. I'm I am vomiting because they're funny. How do I find yourself at Piggy's Palace? I need to know so many people did I need to know how they found themselves Piggy's Palace was fucking hoppin. Okay, wait musical groups came and performed there that's a nice not like fancy ones But obviously not like off duty police officers would go there sometimes It's just saying you know what I would love to know what was Dave paying taxes? Oh, I guarantee you Every time you were like a new business a new business and business. I was like this mother fuckers Nothing like taxes. Does he have an account? There's no how do you keep track of all that business? You don't work you just don't pay it like you think fucking Chubb is gonna get together your W No, I don't think Scott Chubb was gonna do it. No Well, what they did was they used an old dilapidated barn and they redid it all So they use material from the demolition of the other club in restaurant and built a bar a dance floor a kitchen There was actually seating for up to 150 people in there. Wow a disco ball was hung of course And they like decked it out they decorated it they made it like a real bar and they did full food lots of barbecue Of course never in my life would I eat at chumley lots of barbecue Piggy's palace. No, no, Piggy's palace. No, Lisa Yelts actually worked as a waitress there for a bit She said Dave was an absolute dickwad to her awesome They had one of the most known criminals in the area working the door and he was a known crack cocaine dealer Okay cops frequented the place in their off time even though it was a known haunt for drugs illegal shit and like criminals Like maybe they were like crooked cops. Yeah, of course they were there was a lot back then. Oh, yeah I'm sure it has changed right now quite a bit from what it was there was a lot back then just period not even literally I'm sure a lot of everything back then well David and Willie this is where it's hilarious David and Willie registered the new business under the name no No, Piggy's palace good time society I just really can't anymore good time society I fucking lose her just imagine getting your face down You fucking lose your Alice good time society like loser She's unbelievable Piggy's palace good time society man Like wow, I have to pee really bad and not just said oh Well, they registered it as a charity. Yeah, they said it would be used to raise money for service organizations by having huge Ragers and shit So they're gonna do oh, so I wonder if that's how they got away with it I think that's how they got away with it also. I don't really know how taxes work in Canada I think they were able to like use this like terrible thing But the hell's angels took it over a lot and nothing was being sent to organization literally they would have parties of like 1700 people there and they would just rage and there's only seating for 150 people yeah, and the neighbors around here like all the surrounding areas would complain because it was madness in 2000 like just jumping ahead they did and the city of Port Coquitlam actually shut it down So that's good wow so no more Piggy's palace good time society I was like oh not that long ago and then I was like oh 21 years ago I know it doesn't feel like it was no now. This is around the time that will he ended up getting a new bigger mobile home So that's good for him upgrade. It had more room had an office in there for him Let me open any part in the back of the picked in farm again. So now he's on the property again. I don't know why I Don't know I just don't know what you do now. He also became
more and more known to the neighbors and people around town as a weird scary guy. Because now he's not becoming like, he's not just the quiet guy anymore. Now he's getting a little weird and scary. What's he doing? That's weird. He could be super nice, but also he would use his farm equipment loudly into the night and never care to families complain to the noise. He was like, fuck off. Okay. There were several complaints from the new houses built on the property, like around the property, that the stench from the Picton's farm was literally permeating their home. And they were like, we like something needs to be done at this point. It was definitely bodies. But the Picton brothers just didn't give a shit. Wow. Now Lisa moved away with her kids at this point. She was like, I have to head out. Because she said this whole like Piggy's Palace Good Time Society situation was like getting a little too much. She just didn't want to be like totally involved in it anymore. And she didn't end up coming to the farm a lot after this. She kind of like pulled back a little because she could see that like weird shit was happening. Because she thought her friend had serial killer vibes. Well, and what will learn is that she saw some shit. And so she was not. I mean, she was not. She wanted to get away from there. And we'll learn that don't worry. And she said, so Willie lost his good friend. Basically, she was living there. Like that was like his sister. Yeah. So he basically was like, I need to replace her with someone else. So you replaced her with another girl he knew named Gina Houston. Gina Houston was basically trying. She was, I think she worked as a sex worker at one point, but she kind of just started using Willie as like a sugar daddy, which a lot of these women were doing. They kind of see that he had a lot of money. Can you imagine? And they just kind of use him for it. If Willie picked in. What's her shaker daddy? Like Willie picked in spying your Louis bags. No. Unreal. No. Don't want that. Yeah. I don't want anything to do. The more my brain thought about that, the more I got. I don't want it. Oh, man. No, thank you. Oh, man. Well, she was basically, her job was kind of to try to get women to come back to the farm for Willie at this point. That became like one of her jobs. So she's a pimp. Kind of. Yeah. And at one point, she claimed, so Gina Houston is a real piece of work, clearly. And she, like she had kids. She was just like, she was a lot. She was a lot. Yeah. At one point, she claimed that they were engaged, even though they did not, like they were never engaged. She was using the name Gina Picton at one point. Yeah. She just wanted his money. That's all this was. She saw him as like, oh, he's an easy target. She wanted to attach herself to that. Now apparently some of the women were looking out for each other, especially in downtown East side. And they were making sure that Gina stayed away from places where these girls were hanging out. Oh, so like Gina, like some of the older sex workers were kind of like, no, like stay away from them. Like, because they were kind of like, I know what you're doing. You're trying to lure them back to the farm and weird shit. We don't want them out the flat. Yeah. They were like, weird shit's happening there. I don't want them there. Now soon, he added another girl onto his list of like girls that would like lure other girls in. Her name was Dina Taylor. And she had once tried to lure, lure this girl named Lynn out to where Willie and her were. This girl Lynn, who had like kind of come to the farm a lot. And she had once tried to lure her. She told us this story later out with them. And to this day, this girl Lynn swears it was to kill her. Like she was like, I know. And we'll see why like Lynn is like a fixture on the farm for a little while. And then kind of leaves. But she said when when Dina called, she was like, I knew like, when Dina called, I was like, oh, something's fucked up. So this is who Dina was. Oh my god. Dina was another piece of work. Rough town. She was a scary scary lady. And just like Gina, Dina was using Willie for money. And she knew his pin number. His girls are Gina and Dina. That just hit me. Gina and Dina. And she knew his pin number and she could get cash and clothing and drugs from him whenever she wanted. Okay. And she started getting the same treatment. Gina did. Everyone knew that she was trying to lure these girls out to the farm. So they made her leave places like they were trying to protect girls. I love that. But there's like an army of sex workers just like protecting each other. I think that's bad. They really did. They were really trying to protect each other. That's like my favorite part of the story. Yeah. It really was. And one of Willie's things was like, he didn't do drugs and neither did Dave, I guess. And neither of them really drank that much. Okay. But they wanted to be surrounded by it all the time. Okay. And also Willie had a thing where he liked to buy like these sex workers and especially drug addicted ones, more drugs because he wanted to be like, yeah. And he also wanted to be seen as like this like hero figure. Yeah. It was very, it was a way he had such a weird complex of like his personality is just very strange. It would be interesting to like psychologically evaluate him because he had such weird like delusions of who he was as a person. He really thought he was like this great person that everybody should just want to be around. Oh. Gina did say later that one time she went onto the farm to get a pig that she had helped butcher. And she there was a large freezer in the barn, the butchering barn that was covered in a blanket. And there was a bunch of tools laying on top and she started kind of like walking towards it because she was like, what the fuck is this? And she said Willie didn't say a word, but just looked at her and shook her head. She shook his head and she just backed off and never asked. But she was like, I know some shit was in there because he just looked at her like, no, don't look in there. What the fuck? Yeah. I like, I don't know how to what. I just want. Oh, yeah. So then we come up to a woman named Tracy Bion. She was almost a victim of Willie's. Oh, it wasn't. Exactly. Now, she had seen Willie a ton at the Astoria Motel and she knew he was there and picking up girls all the time. So one night he picked her up for he said he would pay her for a sex act. So she was like sure. So she said she went into the trailer and her quote from the book that I mentioned earlier was it smelled terrible. It smelled of animals like barn animals. And then he took me out to his trailer, which was fucking disgusting. As soon as you got in the kitchen, you couldn't go any further. There was clothes everywhere. The kitchen had a big counter with a sink and a little propane heater. The parking lot was built at the side of the trailer. As you came in, the kitchen was right there. On the left was the rest of the building. What I could see was just the kitchen. I couldn't go any further. He said let's go in there, but I couldn't get past all the mess. So they then did their thing. And then suddenly Willie pulled out a knife and accused her of stealing his wallet. What? And she was like what? He then used the knife to cut two buttons off of her shirt. And she ended up getting the fuck out of there and suddenly he just suddenly turned it off after that. And he was like, I'll drive you back down to him. Oh my God, I'd be like no. And on the way back downtown, she was like I have to get back down to him. What am I going to do? And they've probably been through this kind of shit before, crazy man. On the way back downtown, he told her how he loved to help working girls get off drugs. But he said if they slip up once, they don't deserve to live. Oh my God. So she was like, okay. She's like I'm going to go ahead and add that name to the list. And I'm going to tell you two other stories before we end for part two. I'm ready to end. So March 10th, 1997, 25-year-old Kara Ellis disappeared. Now she had been working as a sex worker and also was deeply addicted to drugs at the time. This is relevant because her good friend Maggie Gile, who had gotten herself clean recently after 30 attempts at getting clean. All good for her. Was determined to get her friend Kara clean as well. She wanted to get her out of her life downtown east side. She was like, I want none of this for you. They had been roommates in a previous rehab center, but Kara had relapsed hard, fallen right back into everything. And she was staying at a place called the Vernon Rooms in Vancouver, but what everybody there knew and what the girls called the Hoden, where management ran the place super cruelly. Horrible. They would charge these women money to two basically like work in these rooms. So essentially they were pimps. And then they started working in drugs. So they demanded the girls living in this place, bought drugs exclusively from them. And if they got drugs outside of the home, they would be severely beaten for it. Oh my God. What the fuck in a place is this? It sounds like this. I don't even know that exists. That's why I'm telling you, go read that book because this book will like go into so much more detail and tells you so many more different places in this in Vancouver like at this time that were like underground places. This is the thing that you would never know about if you didn't read and right. Yeah, I'm telling you, it's amazing. Now she, Cara had been through this several times and on the last time that she was caught with drugs that were not bought in the home, she ended up in the hospital. They beat her so bad she ended up in the hospital. Now she saw her friend Maggie in March and she tried to get her to enter recovery with her but Cara refused. She said that this was the last time anyone saw her alive. She had family though and she was still in touch with her siblings and their kids and her parents. They all lived in Calgary and when she went missing, they didn't notice right away because they said, you know, she kept in touch but she would go like a long period of time without talking. When her sister-in-law went to file a missing persons report in August 1997, they basically told her, sure, we'll file it but like, she's a sex worker. I don't know what you want me to do. She's also a drug addict. So they just didn't give a fuck. That was it. She was later tied into the victims of Willie Picton.
- Wow. - Now, this last story I will tell you before we end for part two is the one that I was like, what, what, what, what, what? So March 22nd, 1997, a 31 year old sex worker whose name is under a publication ban. So we don't know her name because you cannot publish it. She was working in Vancouver's downtown east side. We'll call her Emily. - Okay, I'm just gonna call her Emily. - Yeah. She was a mother of two and ran into Willie picked in while down on her luck. She had a boyfriend who was really cruel and demanded money from her often. She had a very intense drug addiction. It required her to inject speed balls up to five times a day and she had gambled her last 60 bucks away before she ran into Willie. He saw her on the street in the downtown east side and offered her 100 bucks to come back to the farm for a sex act. He promised to bring her back in an hour and she was psyched because she was gonna be getting more money than what she lost. - Right, so she could bring that back to her boyfriend. It's just like really sad. - That is very sad. - So she got in his red pickup truck and on the way to the farm she noticed a bra on the seat and when she asked what that was all about he said another working girl had left it. - Okay. - It's like cool. She already had a bad feeling and when she went into his trailer she noticed like everyone else it was disgusting and filthy and then she saw a huge butcher knife just like laying on the counter. - Oh God. - And she was like, of course everybody like use his knives for like cooking and shit and all that everybody leaves them out. - When she was like, it gave me a weird vibe but he let her do his bedroom. The bedroom had only a sleeping bag on the floor and a roll of plastic sheeting next to the sleeping bag. - What the actual fuck? - And she was like, oh. And she panicked and asked if she could use the phone to call her boyfriend and just let him know that she would be late. And he refused to let her use the phone. He did allow her to use the phone book to look up the number because she was like, I just need to write it down so I can call him at the pay phone 'cause he had told her like, I'll drop you off at this gas station and you can use the phone. - Right. - So he grabbed her from behind while she was looking at this phone book and forced her one of her hands into handcuffs. - Oh. - Like straight up Ted Bundy's style like one hand in cups and she was able to get the other one so it was hanging like the cups were on her wrist. - Oh my God. - She fought and he began like beating her. Like she had, she was literally punching her in the face. - Oh my God. - And she had him back. She basically was like, all right, I gotta get to that butcher knife. So she basically had him back her up towards where she remembered the knife. - What a smart woman. - And then she reached behind her, grabbed it and sliced him in the cheek and neck with it. - Good. - Like ended up really doing a shit ton of damage. - She was, she literally didn't murder him. - Well, and she ended up blacking out. And she didn't, she obviously didn't know why at the time but at the point, at one point she woke up outside still fighting him. - What? - Yeah. - She was blacking out from blood loss and what happened was he had stabbed her in the like abdomen, at the hand, like several times she had been stabbed and she had blacked out from blood loss. - So she didn't even, she probably had so much adrenaline running through her legs. - She was just kept going. - She didn't know that she had even been stabbed. - Exactly. And now he's losing blood. So he's blacking out while this little thing is happening. And eventually she was able to wrestle the knife from him again and run towards the street. And she said she ended up running to a home across the street but an elder, no one answered the door. So she's just like banging on the door, trying to like break a window basically, like just let me in. - Literally. - Well, an elderly couple was driving by and saw her and the man, this elderly man jumped out of the car to help her. - Oh. - And he, she, he like basically was like getting the back seat, like got her in the back seat. - Well, well. - And she told him see that farm right there and he was like, yep, and she said, she said if she, she said if I die, the person who lives in a trailer on that farm did it. - What? - Like told her and then this guy later said that when she was running, he could see her intestines coming out of her. That's how badly she was like in. - Oh my gosh. - Yeah. - Oh my gosh, that makes my stomach hurt. - Yeah. - Exactly. The elderly woman called 911 and they met them. Like, yeah, so they could just like start going to the hospital. - Or intestines are falling out. - It's insane. Yeah, it's crazy. And the couple told the police that she had told them that the man who did this had also been stabbed. So they were like just, say no. So she went into emergency surgery at Royal Columbian Hospital in Westminster. She was stabbed four times, two in the abdomen, one in the arm and one in her rib, which punctured her lung. - Ah! While they're working on Emily, they tell the doctors that another stabbing patient is coming in and look at that. - It's really victim. - Who was sent there from a smaller hospital that he had gone to because they didn't have the resources to treat him because she had fucked him up. - Hell yeah. Now they found the key, she still had the handcuff attached for us. - This is like this indie hindi show. - Yes. They found the key to the handcuffs in his pocket when they were like getting his clothes. - What? - They immediately the police go over to her while she's like in surgery or like going into surgery. They go up and they use the key on the handcuff and it opens. Like that's how they realized it was the same. So they immediately get a search warrant for the property. He said some bitch had stabbed him and that's the story. That's what his story was. Some bitch stabbed me and he basically said like some drugie, like you know, like sex worker. He probably said like something terrible about it. - Of course. - He was taken home Willie. He was treated for like three days. - And he was taken home after they realized the fucking key in his pocket opened those handcuffs. - Oh yeah. - Because he's claiming well she's a drugie like sex worker and he's basically saying like she attacked me and was trying to, and he's saying she tried to rob me. - So she's not gonna believe her. - And he has injuries. So now he's saying like I was just defending myself. - Wow. - Yeah. So Dave actually took him home a few days later and they called in Lisa Yelts again to clean up the bloody trailer and take care of him. So she came back. - Yeah. So she came back. Meanwhile Willie's version of the events was again that Emily had approached him, not that he had approached her in that he, that she had demanded $200 up front then saw money in his trailer and threatened him with a knife to give her the cash. So he defended himself and she ran. That was his story. - That was his handcuffs coming to play everybody. - The entire time Lisa was taken care of them, he was telling her to find out where Emily lived so he could take care of her. - Why was Lisa still taking away to come back and clean? - I'm not gonna do that. And she was basically like, I thought he was just mad because she had stabbed him in the face and like the neck and like he had like 150 stitches and like I guess it had broken some of his teeth. - Oh, it was probably his heart. - His love just teeth. - He loved his teeth. So he was like, she was like, I assumed he was just mad and was like just saying things. - Yeah. - But April 8th, 1997, he was charged with attempted murder. - Good. - Unlawful confinement and aggravated assault. The charges were dropped for why? Because she's a sex worker and a drug addict. - The fact that that shit happened, like probably still happens is so fucked up to me. - Yep. - Like, I guess that was basically like what it was and she felt like it wasn't gonna matter. So I think she also just didn't show up to court. So they were like, - Well, she was probably too scared to. - Well, that's the other thing 'cause she was being attempted. - She probably just ran away. - So, that's the beginning of Willie Pickton's reign of terror. - The fact that that is the beginning. - Yeah. - How many victims are there? - That 49 are killed. - 49 women are killed. - And let me tell you, he was sad. He didn't get that even 50. - So who was 50 supposed to be? - Did he have somebody that was supposed to air? - No, he just wanted the number. He didn't like that it was 49. - Are you kidding me? - Yeah, and don't worry. We'll find out how we know that in part two. - I'm so stressed out. - All right, so we have an Instagram, I think. - Is that how? - We have an Instagram. - We do that. - That's how that works. And also, you know what, if I can squeeze just to like put this out there, if I can squeeze it into two parts, I will, but I really think this will be three. But our Instagram is @morbidpodcast. - And I stop on Twitter. - Hey, morbidpodcast. - Send us a gmail. -
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