All right. Hey folks, here we are. We're back. We might be drunk. We got the the great Bill Macy. Hello. Hello, Bill. This is awesome, man. Yeah, I just watched train dreams on his recommendation. You're amazing in it. Oh, thank you. That was awesome. Wonderful film. I loved it. It's the little film that could it went all the way to the Oscars. I know. Crazy. And not much happens, but it I was hooked. Yeah, it's it's a lifetime. I mean, it covers the guy's lifetime. That's true. Yeah, it's lovely. It sort of celebrates a common fellow. Right. I found it very, very moving. It's the I'm off. I'm all in my phone. It was the opposite of being in your phone. That's the whole movie. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's true. The truth. Yeah, we're like, I think I think I didn't live it. Didn't look at a TikTok or nothing. I know. Yeah. And then at the end, he takes that airplane ride at all hits him. Yeah, I'm like, oh, I've looked. I got a baby. I'm staring at a snapchat. Yeah, I gotta look at my kid. I know. I don't do that that much. I don't. This thing. I have to carry it around, but I sure it's not my friend. No, it's evil. It's taking all our attention and making us ADD and probably dumber. We were just talking before you got here. I mean, we grew up on your movies. So it's crazy to meet you. I mean, going back to, I mean, I've never seen Fargo probably too young and being like, even then being like, oh, this is amazing. Yeah, right. Did you know when you got that script that you're like, this is going to be great. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I flatter myself. It's, it's most actors go, well, you know, you never know. But I do. Yeah. I'm pretty good at reading scripts. I read them in one sitting. I skip the stage directions to whatever extent I can just read the dialogue. And that way you get to see the film in your mind's eye. It's easy to choose when you've seen the film. Right. And I think the co-embrothers and PTA. Maybe some of the best dialogue. Oh, fabulous dialogue. Yeah. It's it's such a funny dark movie. I mean, we talked about it. We've played the clip where the dad dies on Fargo when he gets shot in the stomach. And he's like, oh, dark is that moment is it's like kind of comedic. Oh, he says, oh, he says. It's a fabulous film. I really wanted that role. And I knew it would change my life. I mean, it was a co-embrothers. They were I'd seen blood simple. But they were. They were the new guys. And I thought I was born to play this role. I really wanted it when they called me up. I was I've got a little cabin in Vermont. And I didn't have anyone to tell my nearest neighbors a mile away. It was no one there. I ran out of train. Dreams. Yeah. Right. Right out in the snow. Just screaming my head off. Wow. So you auditioned for do you know who you're up against? I do not. I went in to read for the detective, which is a sweet role. Yeah. So that you would have been transes McDormand. I didn't know for any before that. Nobody knew that that was the role you read for. No, the detective who goes to investigate. You know, he's got the big moth. And it says, yeah, these fellows came in and he said, you know, how do what if we were to beat you up and he said, well, I wouldn't like that. Oh, yeah. There we go. Front's coming in. And they all turn and look. Great scene. Wow. Um, those scenes in the office were so damn tense. Were you lying over and over? Right. So good. And the scene where she were Francis McDormand with the the old friend, the Asian guy, where he's, she finds out he lies about being married. He's hidden on her. It's like, and you realize how detailed these scripts are. Oh, yeah. I know. That's when she realizes that people are full of shit. You know, in a strictly Aristotelian kind of way, I thought, what does this scene have to do with anything? It doesn't move the plot. You could take it out. Nothing would happen. But I realized psychologically, it really shaped the world as franny saw it. That's just going to pieces. She says it at the end. All of this for a little money. I just don't understand. And it gave her and us an insight into the fact that people are desperate. They're falling apart. I love that she, she's almost like a mother being disappointed and you rather than be like, you're a murderer. But she's like, I'm just disappointed. Yeah. That energy is so funny to talk to a murderer. She's so adorable in that movie. I saw it recently a couple of years ago during the strike. I went around and we did screenings of it. And oh, my Lord, I lost my heart to her again. Yeah, she's so innocent. Then she talks to that lady on the phone about the Asian guy. Was it Mr. Takahana? Something like that. Yeah. But then she realized, oh, he lied to me. And that's kind of when her innocence went away. She's like, people are liars. Yeah. You think he had a room in that hotel at the end? The Asian guy. Do you think he had a room there? Do you think he was trying to sleep with her? Oh, definitely. But do you think he got the room? Well, I don't know. He did, he did hit on her. Yeah. That awkward. He just moves to her side of the booth. It's such a cringeworthy moment. Yeah. No, no, what I got to ask about a bookie night. I mean, you're such a, you're such a nerd. You're so desperate. Poor schmuck. Yeah. You and Philipsy more often's characters are like such sad characters in that movie. Oh, Philip was so good in the maze. Oh, yeah. I miss him. He was, he was the best of us, man. That guy could act. Oh, did you know him well? Yeah. On set, we didn't hang out. We weren't friends that way, but we did two movies together and we hung out on set and I just adored him. Really, really interesting guy. And surprising. He could play anything. Oh, he was the villain and mission impossible. And a great villain before the devil knows you're dead. That character. So, Lord, that's such a complicated character. Yeah. He could do Capote. Capote from that to a long came poly. Oh, yeah. I mean, he did everything hilarious in that man. What a tragedy. I know. I saw him in the city once just barreling down second avenue and I was like, Oh, and I just got the hell out of his way. He looked so angry. Really? Yeah, he was. Yeah. Yeah. He's basketball shorts. It was crazy. Damn. Yeah. Unbelievable actor. When you were doing Boogie nights, I mean, that that might be the best cast ever assembled. You look back at same with Magnolia. Do you notice the movies that are like, yeah, both two of my favorite movies. I love them both. Oh, yeah. I mean, that character you play a Magnolia play a super sad character too. He's just going for sad characters. I've done a lot of sad characters. I'll tell you. Yeah. Interestingly, now I'm playing powerful guys. Yeah. I guess growing up or getting old helps. Do you think that bulge was real with with Tom Cruise in Magnolia? Because that's under underwear. We're pretty filled out. You know, you're not the only one that's asked that we did a press conference in this woman kept saying something about his underwear. I almost piped in. Show her, man. Show her your dick. That's what she wants to see. Those tiny whiteies are, they're full. Yeah. He's awesome in that movie. He's great. Oh, man. That scene. That's such a great storyline. I mean, so that's kind of like. I've heard a lot of people say that's kind of like his short cuts, his Robert Altman short cuts, the bunch of stories coming together. But man, I watched that. I was in Europe doing a tour. I was sick for a couple days and I just rewatched that and I was like, I've never seen a three hour movie with like no action. Right. That just goes so quickly. Oh, yeah. It's just all human, you know, drama and romance and sadness. That's a lot of sad characters. Oh, yeah. You know, there's no action, but a lot happens. I'm drawn to those kind of movies. You know, when there's somebody getting blasted to death every four minutes, I just, I grow weary of that so quickly. Yeah, it means nothing after a while. It means nothing. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a comic who says, fuck every other word. You're like, you're killing the word. Yeah. But there's lines in it that could have read so corny that did like even you saying, I have so much love to give that could have played so corny and it felt so sincere, you know. Right. Did you read that? And you're like, how the fuck do I make this sound? No. His stuff just flies off the page. He's a lovely writer and me runs a fabulous set. No, it was, that was all easy. Yeah. That's cool. How do they make that? I mean, like, I know the frogs. Well, that was fun. But how do you just get your brain to come up with eight different story lines and characters in each? How do you put that all together in your head? Like we write jokes, but I can't imagine writing a story with that many moving parts. Yeah. Well, if you ever do write it down because some people can do it, Paul can do it. It's unbelievable. And the intertwine. That's what's great. Of course. I've been blessed to work with some really good writers, fabulous writers. What's your favorite script that you ever got that you, whether you're like, oh, this is going to be fun. Oh, it's like naming which of your daughters you like the best. You may know, but you're never going to say, I don't know which one of yours I like the best. I don't know how to respond.
- Uh, Dave Mammoth wrote a script called "State and Main." You ever seen that? - A long time ago. - Oh, yeah. - It was too young when I saw it. - Me slappingly funny. I love that when I read it. - I don't know. - "Buggy Nights." I just loved it. I so wanted it. - So funny. - You're fast. - You started with Mammoth, didn't ya? - Yeah, he was my teacher. I went to a little school in Vermont called Goddard College and Dave was there. He just graduated. He came back as a teaching fellow. And, you know, he taught me everything, you know? 'Cause he pop up in some of those, I remember you're in "House of Lies." - "House of Games." - "House of Games." Sorry. - "Great movie." Love that. - Great. - I know the name. I messed up the name, but, uh, yeah, that's, that movie is, if you haven't seen that movie. - It's a great movie. - That's a classic. - It's a classic. - "Joel Maintain You." - Oh my gosh. - Oh my gosh. So many twists, so cool. - All right. - Everybody wants to be "Joel Maintain You." - Oh, he's the coolest dude that ever walked. - Yeah. - Oh yeah. Uh, he was on "The Simpsons," too. - Yeah. - "Fat Tony." - "Fat Tony." - That's right. - And then you did "Homicide" with "Joel Maintain You." - Yeah. - Which is, that's an awesome movie, too. - It really is. - Oh, that's a classic. Look at that. He was a hunk. - Oh my lord. He, back in Chicago, that's where I got started. We had a theater company there, and he was it. He was the guy. - Yeah. - If you looked up "Cool" in the Dictionaries, it's C. Joey. - All right. Now, you were in "Radio Days." - And then Brett, a bit. - A bit. - But it counts. - Yep. - Did you get to really absorb Woody? - No. - Ah. - He shows up late. He says few words. - Really? - It's, um. - It's the first bad thing I've ever heard about him. (laughing) - Robert Joy was in this thing, and I just. I'll love him for the rest of my life, but. You don't get the script, so we just got the sides, and we were all sitting there waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and somebody said, "You know how Woody Allen always cast those weird people "in his movies?" We said, "Yeah," and he said, "We're those people." (laughing) So finally Woody came in, and he said, "Okay, you know, very soft-spoke." And he said, "You're there. You stand over there, "and then you walk over here, and you're. " and said, "Okay, let's do it." And Bobby Joy says, "Wait a minute. Who am I?" (laughing) "Who am I talking to? Where are we? What is this?" - I would scare the hell out of me. - I know, well, we were all too intimidated to ask, but he did, and of course Woody went, "Oh, sorry," and then he told us the plot and what it was all about. I always think he's the coolest guy for that. - Yeah, but Jesus, you wanna do well, you wanna kill it, and then you don't know who the hell you're supposed to be. - Yeah, this whole thing about, they watermark scripts, they, you know, they'll hand deliver it to your door like it's a big secret. I don't understand that. I mean, what are they guarding against? Is there somebody who's gonna steal the script and make the movie before him? - Well, maybe they'll leak a twist ending? I don't know. - This is what they do with everything, though, and entertainment. They actually get so much more important like, when they're vetting you for SNL, they treat it like it's the CIA. - I know. - They're like, you said a bad word in 1997, and it's like, all right. - I'm a comedian. - Yeah, that's happy gig. - Everything, yeah, the watermark, and it's all, they try to scare you. - I guess, I guess it's precious to them. - Yeah. - Well, things have changed. Or are you worried the state of movies is that scary? Are the theaters kinda fizzling out? And, no. - All right, good. - We're gonna have somebody told me that's just going to be a record box office year, or the one we just ended, yeah. - What does it work? - The types of movies you made in the '90s that are so precious to so many people, those movies seem to be dying away. I think the box office might be doing well, but isn't it like avatars in these big movies? - Marvel. - That's what it takes to put them in the cineplexes. - Right, right. - And I kinda like those movies. I don't like the ones, you know, like we said, where they just keep killing people. The park gets slow, they just kill some more people. It's horseshit, it's not true. They're telling false stories. I've always had this idea. - All right, here we go. - Have a, in this series, have a guy or a woman, and we fall in love with him. Right, a great character, and then shoot him. Then shoot him, and don't take him off the series. And so you watch him deal with what a bullet does to the human body. You see him get infections, you see his wife leave him 'cause he goes into depression, you see trying to learn how to walk again, you should see all that stuff. That's a true story. And I must say, it sounds dramatic to me, but you kill 20 people. That's not dramatic, that's pornography. The only thing you can do is kill 20 more. - Right. - That's not true. That one's allowed in Texas, actually, it's gonna be. But yeah, I like that. - I'm with you, I think, 'cause you're into the drama. That's such a, what a good actor I think would think, is like, yeah, that's nothing for me to do, like just get shot, but to deal with the bullet is, that's the acting, right? - Yeah, let's tell the truth about it. I think it's hurting our society. That we, you know, the whole concept of funny violence. I got a problem with that. - Interesting. - You kill somebody and say some quip and everybody roars. - Right. - I don't think that's good for us. - I would say the same with comedy. When I watch a trailer for a comedy movie and a guy gets kicked in the balls in the first second of the trailer, I'm like, this comedy's gonna stick. - Yeah. - And it's funny. - Although it is funny. - Sure, it's funny, but if that's your go-to, right out of the gate, come on. - Right, that's the only thing you could put in the trailer. - Yeah. - I want the movie by the guy dealing with getting kicked in the balls. That's the movie I want. - For days, he's got the ice pads. - He's got his wife leaves them, right? I can't do this. - He can't get it up, it's the whole thing. Now we got a comedy. - Yeah. So you've done some comedies. You've done state of man's a comedy. - Yeah, I've done a bunch. - Yeah, well, they put out this thing greatest comedies and they put Fargo in there. - Wow. - 'Cause it is funny. - It's golden there. - It's very dry, humor, but it's funny. - It's funny. - Oh yeah. - Bouchemi funny looking. - Oh man, you and Bouchemi, and this, I mean, just, it's cool to see you guys lead a movie. 'Cause I feel like so often, you say what's the cooler. It's like cool to see you in that type of role. - Yeah. - Because I'd never seen a movie where William H. Macy gets the girl. - Yeah. - And I'd like that. And I thought that was cool. - Now that's unrealistic. (laughing) - That's a great flick, I think. If you guys haven't seen the cooler, awesome soundtrack to Vegas. - Yeah, we play casinos forever. So I have a weird love for a casino movie too. - Yeah. - Oh yeah. - That was a weird, we found, we were in Reno, I think. And, Oof, I know my opening joke in Reno was last time. Was there, I've never seen fake twists in an oxygen tank on the same person before. (laughing) - I have. (laughing) - There they are. (laughing) But they had just sold this hotel casino to someone. And they hadn't demolished it yet. And production was lucky enough to get it. So we shot on the seventh floor in the casino and we lived on the twelfth floor. We had pink eyes by the time that show was finished. We never saw the light of day. Just up and down in the elevator. - Right, all right. - It worked though. We were sort of trapped in there. And Maria Bella was so fantastic. - I love her. - Such a joy to act with. - You guys together were, the chemistry was so good and that's really good. - Yeah, it's so too. - Do you gamble? - No, I don't. - Mm-hmm. - No, I'm not a fan of Vegas. - That's for the best. If you're gonna live in a casino you don't wanna, you don't wanna give into that. - You're a little bitch ex-god. - When I go to Vegas, I just find the best looking dealer give her all my money and then go to the bar. (laughing) - Yeah, Vegas is depressing. - There's not a blade of grass in the whole city. I just can't find a tree to save my life. - Did you get uncomfortable having to do those types of sexual scenes with an actor? - Yeah. (laughing) You try going down to your knickers in front of teamsters. (laughing) - I have, they won't give me the parts. - I was begging. - Can we pull that up that scene just to not get it? (laughing) - It, you know what? - I married very well. My wife is smart, Felicity Huffman. Anyway, I was pissing and moaning about these scenes 'cause there was a lot of skin in that thing. And I thought, "Oh, jeez, what a man." And she said, "You better figure this out or get him to cut the scenes because it sounds to me like you're planning to fail." - Whoa. - So it's like you're gonna be okay with being bad in these scenes. And I took it to heart. So, when we met with the director Wayne, I analyzed all the scenes. Even scenes that didn't have much dialogue. I thought, "Where do we begin, where do we end? How did that move the plot?" And in a lot of those scenes, it did. There was something that happened. And in a couple I couldn't figure it out. And Wayne, to his credit, said, "I can't either." And he cut him. - Whoa. - Cool wife though, to be like, "You gotta nail this." - Yeah. - No pun intended.
It's tough, you know, when she does a film and that scene comes up, I just look away and close my eyes and just home so I can't hear anything. Right. I get past it. Yikes. You guys factored together though, you know, I remember sports night, you know? That was it. That was it. Yeah. That was a before, it's time show, I think. That was a really good show. Oh, man, it was great. Aaron Sorkin's writing was fabulous on that. Talk about dialogue. Yeah. But I feel like it, like, it should have lasted longer. Yeah, it was too smart for the room. Could be. Could be. And also, I think it was weird for people to see a show like that without a laugh track back then. Every show in a laugh track. But that was, oh really? Isn't it bizarre when you're watching TV now and it's got a laugh track? It sounds primitive. It sounds primitive. Yeah. Totally. Unless it's like Seinfeld or Fraser and there's a joke, like every seven seconds and you're like, all right. But yeah, for the most part. It's a new show. Yeah. This is weird. Do new shows have it? Some do. It feels like the honeymoon or something. It feels so bad. Throughout the time still have a live audience, but they sweeten it and don't know. You don't know. Yeah. Oh, there there she is. That ain't showbiz. Mm-hmm. No. Now, what you did a run, a long TV run with shameless. I mean, that was it weird movie than TV and back to movie? It's the same gag at the end of the day. TV is really fast and I personally like it because you get to act all day and it's supposed to sit in your trailer waiting for the lighting to be finished. And it was, you know, here's one of the coolest things that happened. We had two cameras and Shameless was an hour, a real hour. Sometimes we went to 63 and it was okay if we went to 57. But they would write usually 65 pages for that hour. And we had a minute to shoot it. I think we shot, I think we had seven days to shoot one and then another half day for exteriors when we went to Chicago. So it was run and gun and we had two camera crews always and they'd just follow us around and the way John Wells liked it, the way he designed it was, we'd start in this room going to the hallway, into the bathroom, back into the hallway and right back without a cut. We'd shoot the whole thing. So for the actors, you got to do the whole scene over and over, not little bits of it. Yeah. You know, they'd come in for some close-ups every once in a while. But I think it was the fourth show or something. I had a really nice moment. I went to the DP and I said, "When are you going to get my moment there, my clothes up?" And he said, "What clothes up?" And I said, "You know, in this scene, when are you going to, he said, "Oh, dude, you're done." That was the second shot of the day. Whoa. And it was liberating. Yeah. It was liberating because, you know, they put the camera on you and go, "Okay, do it better." Which is the kiss of death. You can't do it better. Right. Just do it fully. Yes. Do you work directors? Were there any directors who made you do it like 80 times? I've worked with directors who do take after take after take. And is it really tough? I find it sometimes a waste of time, unless you're doing something different than nuances or so minor, it doesn't matter. Dave Mammoth, who's the smartest guy I know, he says the audience only wants to know one thing. What happens next? They don't care about the emotions of it. They don't care about anything. Back story. It's all, it's all jive. It happens next. Interesting. Huh. I saw a story you told about Mammoth on Rich Eisen about, about cheese. How we would come over when he got cheese? Yeah. It ended up in American Buffalo. Yeah, he'd come over. He's a world when I live with Stephen Chakter and we had an apartment on Clark Street and Dave was staying at the hotel Lincoln. That's where he lived in a room about the size of this couch. Yeah. And he'd step out in the hall to change your mind. And he'd come over and he'd go, "Bully, Stephen, I've got this idea. We're going to do it." And he'd go to the refrigerator and take out all the bread and the cheese and cut off these giant hunks and he's just stuffing his mouth and when he was full, he would leave. And in the meantime, he said, "We're going to rent this building, you know. I've got to play. We're going to do a musical. We're going to do this." And then he'd leave. And all the cheese would be gone. And one day he came over and I said, "Help yourself." And he stopped -- he didn't throw a punch, but you know, you know when a guy goes red, he's not going to do anything. He goes white. The punch is coming. Are you sure? Went white. Oh, wow. And he screamed at me. How many times do I pick up the check? How many times do I recognize those lines? They're from American Buffalo. Wow. I tracked him down. I said, "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Please forgive me." He'd be grudgingly. He said, "Okay. Next time I heard anything about it, I read American Buffalo and teach comes in." And he goes, "Fuckin' Ruthie, fuckin' Ruthie, fuckin' Ruthie. I'm sittin' there. I take a piece of bacon off her toast and she goes, "Help yourself. Help myself." I said, "Help myself." To a slice of toast, it's forked pieces for a quarter. What the fuck was with this? It was the same diadrate. That's my claim to fame. You don't mess with a man's cheese. That's amazing. Wow. Yeah. Mammad is intimidating. He's so intense. He's intense, but he's not intimidating. He's very courtly and kind and smart as a whip. And I've seen him say, "Good morning to 1214 extras and 12 hours later, he says goodnight to him all by name." Whoa. That's wild. He's that kind of guy. He is definitely one of the all-time legends. I mean, he changed everything. His body of work is pretty. I recently watched "Wag the Dog" for the first time. I've never seen it. It's hysterical. That is really funny. Really, really, and prescient. I was just going to say that. I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's like, could you say that about a ran? Right. It's crazy. So, yeah, so many, he went to verdict, didn't he? Yes. I mean, that's one of the best movies. Yeah. He's Paul Newman. Of course, Glenn Geary. Glenn Geary. Classic. Classic. Still quoted to this day. Yeah. Man, we got to have him on. Yeah. Yeah. He's on third prize. Stick knives. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah, I mean, so, so quotable. I mean, well, yeah. Wait, Marty's a cream. What? Oh, he's in it. Oh. You're very briefly. Okay, I haven't seen that one yet. It's fun. It's a fun movie. All right. And you're back on TV with the land. Yeah. Your football owner. Yeah. Cleveland Browns. It's, I saw the first three episodes, Smith Ruff, but- Don't resign to Sean Watson. [laughter] Well, there's the real Cleveland Browns and the real Cleveland Browns, or EEL and REAL, and we'll be playing football side-by-side this coming season. Nice. It's a great script. You don't have to know football to enjoy it, but if you do, you'll really enjoy it, because it's down, it's inside football. Yeah. As they say. Well, yeah. I'm not a huge football guy, but I've watched every football movie and show I watched Friday night lights. I watched all that stuff. Well, you're going to love this one, all right, and the NFL's all over it. Wait, we've got their blessing. That's great. This is new for them. Hell yeah. I remember when they did any given Sunday, it was so clear they didn't get their blessing because of the sharks. I've never heard of the- All right. the sharks. Yeah. It's like the Boy Scouts. You can't say the Boy Scouts in a film. They are very protective of you. I didn't know that. Yeah. Well, they're not doing great these days. [laughter] I should have worried about other stuff. Yeah. The land. All right. Chris from Alonies in it. Oh. The cast's fun. He's fun. Yeah. Looks very cool. It's really cool. Big cast. It might be the biggest thing I've ever been in. What? Really? The origin of Moynihan. Hell by Hell by Hell. I mean, the call sheet, you know, usually there's six, eight actors on it. Sometimes there's a hundred. Jesus. Huge. I mean, think about it. We play a football game. We need the whole team and all the attendant, this and that and the other team. Right. Right. That's a lot of moving parts here. It's a lot of moving parts. Oh, boy. When's this coming out? Not clear. Okay. They wrapped. I finished them last week. Yes. Yeah. He runs a great show. Boy, he's got, he's having a moment, Amy. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. All right. Cool. Yep. Come on. Woody Creek Distillers, I live in, guess, Vermont, Woody Creek. I live in Woody Creek, Felicity, Felicity grew up in Woody Creek and we bought her childhood home. Oh, wow. And we've been there. We've been Colorado residents for going on 10 years now and they live next door to me. Pat and Mary Scanlon and Mark Kleckner who started the distillery were my neighbors. I joke that I was the only celebrity within walking distance. So I got the job and I've been representing them for. 6-7 years now damn and not to be cheeky we make the finest spirits in America. Whoa easy sir. We have our own whiskey too We've arrived well, but they make me finish. All right There are others, but they're none better. Okay. There you go, Billy Yeah, but are you worried because we just put out a whiskey as well? And you know Gen Z these quifs. They drink so little Yeah, I think what can you do but support them? I mean half my friends drink too much. Ha ha. Yeah, but they're funner. 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We don't even grow up with mac and cheese as a side on Thanksgiving, which I'm kind of bummed about. Oh, I love a good mac and cheese. Sweet, this, you know, you get the candy dams, those are love a good candy dam, you know. But the turkey and stuffing, that's the gravy, the perfect bite. We call it a perfect bite, and yeah. Yeah. Agreed. That's some stuffing on it, maybe a little smear of cranberry sauce, yeah, it's the perfect bite. It's pure down. You get me hard. You're a cheap date. I'm pretty lost. Oh, you have no idea. When leaving a voicemail, he gets annoyed at the robotic woman's voice. Nah. It's like when you finish, you may hang up or push the button and that button is like, yeah, no shit. I'm leaving a message. I know what a hang up when I'm done. Yeah. When you're making a lot of calls and leaving a lot of messages and she tells you you can hang up when you're finished, why do we need that? If they found people dead of starvation who didn't hang up the phone, didn't know what to do. Yeah. Why are you reading me my rights? All right. We got it. Signs all that a bit about that. Also, I was getting gas in LA and there are all these signs saying it's going to kill you. If you're pregnant, you're going to kill your baby and if you're not pregnant, you're going to get pregnant. It's all these warnings of what the gasoline. What is the point? Do they want us to just abandon our cars and why are they telling us this? You got to fill your car with gasoline. Right. What good is that? Yeah. I'll tell you what good it is. It keeps lawyers. Ah, that's what it is. They've got something to write. Yeah. It's like when you go to the airport and they're like, uh, senior citizens thieves are up. What do they call that? Old people trafficking? And I'm like, who's this stopping? You know, like, watch out for old people being trafficked. And I'm like, if I was a trafficker of old people, this billboard wouldn't change me. Yeah. What do they call that when they when they steal old people? There's a term for it. I saw it in LA. Not kidnapping. I guess. What is it? Old mapping? They take old people. Like senior. I'll bite. What do they want? Benefits tracking? Oh, yeah. They steal their benefits. Yeah. No, I'm talking about they. There's a whole billboard in that the LAX about stealing old people. Well, I guess slave labor. I guess. That's the worst thing. That labor, yeah. Yeah. They're not. They're not. They're not. They're not. If they knitted enough, you could have a clothing. Elder abuse. That's what it is. Elder abuse. There it is. Women trafficking. I got to say, I think that's a real thing and that's really kind of serious. But who's this going to stop with a billboard? Like, all right. I saw the billboard. I'll stop it. Traffickers. It's for you to be on the lookout. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. You get annoyed at the warnings and the signs. Oh, we did that. Okay. Recommendations. The Bradley Cooper will our net move. Oh, you liked it. I have not seen it actually. We watch a good shot around here. It's this thing on it. It's hysterical. Okay. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. Oh, we did that. Okay. Recommendations. Yeah. What's your comment? Yeah. What's your comment? They shot it at the comedy seller. And for the life of me, I couldn't figure out how they were going to do it. Fabulous movie. Okay. Because there's a comedian. There's a lot of bad stand up movies. But you ever seen those YouTube videos where they show like a marksman or a marine and they show them a movie and they're like this is ridiculous. That would never happen. Yeah, I'm sure. You know. So my dad was a pilot in World War II, flew a B17 and I took him to see Memphis Bell. And he sort of enjoyed it. But he said, that's ridiculous. The idea that you'd get in a fight with someone when you're over enemy territory. Right. Measure Schmitz and Flax. And you're going to have a fist fight about some girl. That's the stupidest thing. Yeah. There's some stuff. And he said also you can't talk. Right. You can't talk to each other. You've got four Rolls Royce engines right by you. Right. With no mufflers. Yeah. It just takes you out of the movie. There's some stuff in the movie Lenny with Dustin Hoffman. You're just like, oh. You know, and he's a great actor. He's great. And the movie's got some great parts too. But there's just, yeah. As a comic, he's just like, oh man. Even the comic of that age wanted to. You know who played a great comic with Sandler and funny people, but he's a comic. Right. Right. Right. So he knows when I thought, when I saw Hamnet and they end up at the old globe. And I thought, oh no, don't, don't, don't show acting. You can't, you can't make a movie. Right. Stage acting. It just never works. Yes. And it did. They pulled it off. I got to say. It's so moving because it wasn't so much about them on stage. It was the look on her face. She had never been to a play. Right. Right. That just killed me. They, they run off Oscars. The nominees this year were pretty damn good. There's some good stuff. Yeah. It was not a good year to get an Oscar nomination. Yeah. Yeah. Stiff competition. Yeah. Okay. Severance. Great show. Took me a second. But boy, once you're in, you're in. I gotta watch it. That's like next to my list. I'm gonna watch. It's astounding. I don't know how they keep that ball in the air that long. Yeah. Yeah. So smart. So relevant. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's really cool. Yeah. his parents was great. Oh yeah. I loved it. Yeah, that was great. I watched it off your Rick. Yeah. Heavy, heavy stuff. And Veeb. Veeb is another, I love Veeb. Veeb is underrated. The Joker's second. Hilarious. Everyone's out for themselves. Yeah. Julie Louise is a beast. And saying something. This is what I love about it too. It's, it's farcical. I mean, it's really broad. And yet those guys play it so truthfully that they get away with it. It's really good. Yeah. Yeah. Selfish, fun. And she's fabulous. Oh yeah. She kills everything she does. She's great. She's great. We got to get her on. She's a dream guest. Yeah, we got it. We got it. I don't see her on a lot of pods. What do you think about the pod world? The podcast? Have you done a lot of podcasts? Yeah. Recently in the last year and a half. Is it weird? No. This is, I love this. We just get to sit together and shoot the shit. It's better than a talk show. An interview or a talk show where everything's got to be chopped up. And a lot of my friends listen to a lot of podcasts. Felicity loves them. All right. Great. Yeah. I remember I did a, what's the guys now? You just rich eyes and and I showed up. And I was like, all right, here we go. What do you guys do an hour, hour and a half? They're like eight minutes. And I was like, Oh, this is TV. I forgot. This is like the old way. Yeah. Cause you can't really get too far with eight minutes. No, but here we can really dig in. Yeah. And you can cut it down later. But it's fun to be able to talk. Oh yeah. Yeah. So I got a peeve is when a girl I started seeing every story she tells she gives like the full name of the people. She was like, I was talking to a Peter Glassman. And then Rick Stevens. I'm like, I don't know any of these. I don't know. I'm not the BBC. I'm not fact checking these stories. You can just tell me the first name. - Yeah.
That's true. I don't need all this. It's not a huge pee, but it's just adding to the story. No, I get it. Then how about this guy who does this one too, off of that one, piggybacking. The guy goes, "So I was hanging out with Bob Johnson." You know Bob Johnson? He's like, "No, I don't know Bob Johnson." Okay, yeah, I thought you might know him. No, I don't know him. All right, well, then I was hanging out with Philip Johnson. The other day, you know Philip Johnson? I'm like, "No, I don't know anybody. Just tell the story. I don't know these people." Yeah, the cast is secondary to the story. I don't know the cast. Yes, yes. And you feel like it is. I'm like, "Hey, how's your vacation in Italy?" And they pull out their phone. It was great. You got to show you this. Five minutes later, he's still trying to find his free picture. Oh, yeah. You got to prepare that if you're going to show me. And these stories better dazzle me. All right. These pictures? I know. Isn't it crazy thinking in the 90s, you would invite people over to show them a slideshow of your trip? That was like a thing where people would come by with a case of beer or bottle of wine and they'd be like, "Oh, you want the Rome." By the way, this is a wreck too. Old headphones. Seven bucks on Amazon. I've lost like three pairs of AirPods drunk. I love an AirPods. I like them, but this is, I'm telling you do. No, they tie themselves in the knots. They do. That's a pee. I'll give you that. But what's great about these is I never have someone say I can't. And the AirPods are always like, "I can't hear you." There's always an issue on the call. Right. Right. Never an issue with these. That's true. That's true. And I think there's something about the wire that people give you more respect. You got AirPods in. And people are like, "Hey, what's up, man?" And they got to do this. But the wire, people leave you alone. It looks more important. Do you guys have to. You're both in the business and you're both rock on tours. But when you're chatting with your friends, when you're out with civilians and they tell stories, I'm a bit ADD anyway. And my wife says I got to learn to cover it. Because someone will start telling a story who thinks he or she is a great storyteller. And I just fall asleep. That's what this is for right here. Yes. You got to have an ending, folks. If you're going to hold court and tell a story, you better have a. Drive for the curtain. Yes. Cut. Edit. Keep it tight. And a nice twist and bow at the end. So I love to hang out with actors. Everybody tells great stories. Yes. And then give somebody else time. When you're with people that don't do what we do, you tell your story and just as you get to the punch line, they go, "You know a funny thing has to be done." Wait a second. I'm just about to tell the. All right. I was building tension. Yes. She's. I know, it's brutal. Now, now, uh. We got to ask, what actors do you really hate? Modine? No. Come on. No, I've never acted with Matthew. Should I hate him? No, he's just throwing a random name. Tommy Lee Jones, huh? He was rough. Was he? Oh, really? But I'm not letting out any secrets. And he would. I've heard he's rough from a lot of people. I didn't know that. I've also heard he's a bad tipper. Oh! You hear that, Tom? That's like the word in the street in Texas. Like, "Doesn't tip." Whoa! Chris, yeah, I heard the Jim Carrey story. What did you work with him on? I did not work with him. Wait. Was I in a Jim Carrey movie? No, no, Tommy Lee Jones. Oh. The client? The client. Pull it up. He's one of those big ones. Was he just kind of a curmudgeon or what? Oh, I love the client. I did not act with him, but I've just heard that he can be really tough. There are a lot of actors out there. It pisses me off. There are a lot of actors out there who make life miserable for a lot of people. And they don't get busted for it. It pisses me off. Life is too short. Here, here. And it's a great gig. We're acting for a living. Like, what do you complain about? Right. You know, there's roofers out there. I think they're frightened. This is what it is. They're frightened. I've seen it. You've got two things that are. You've got this script that you've got to hang your ass over the line. This script, what are you going to do? It's a great unknown. You don't know how to solve the problem. And some actors love it. The great unknown. You're flying without a parachute. Sure. They love that. And it's improvisatory. But other actors get frightened. So they create something they can be angry with. So it's the catering or it's the costume or it's the DP. Clear the eyeline. Can you? I don't know. Yeah, yeah. You never hear about that, like, other jobs though. It's so funny. What do you mean? I know you're like, "I need a motivation today." Oh, yeah, right. I got to be a dick. Yeah, you're a truck driver. You don't need a motivation. Just get there. Yeah, we have the luckiest people in the world. You're right. We could be working for a living. Yeah. Be grateful. You're right. You're beloved. People love your characters all over the world. It's awesome. How about, uh, I just forgot. You're an Air Force one. You're in so many movies that it's like, it's crazy to be in so many movies. I'm like, "Oh, yeah, you're in another classic." Yeah. Get off my pod. Yeah, I mean, that was a huge, huge hit movie. That was big. Harrison's a real deal, too. He was fun to work with. Yeah, yeah. He's, uh. He's an icon. He's intensive. Of course, it was an intense role. He can also be very funny. And he's a pilot, I believe. Yes, yes. Cool, dude. Started out as a carpenter. And he would read the scripts on a Star Wars. And then they hired him. I remember he popped up in the. He's like really young in that movie. The conversation, remember? No. He's a really small cop. A small cop. Yeah. The conversation. Yeah, he's having fours in it. Was that his first flick? I don't know. Look, uh, he was a handsome guy. He really is. Wow, he was also, and I believe a apocalypse now. Was he? Pull it up. I think he's got a two-second part. He flew all the way out there for two seconds. Boom! Look at that! He's, uh, he's like a private. Wow. Yeah, it's, it's a bit part. A bit part. Because I remember him. I think he's got one line. Damn. And I think, uh, what's his name? Fishburn lied about his age to get in that. He did. Uh, yeah. I talked to the fish about that. The fish? He's a cool guy. I mean, he's in the matrix. I mean, what is it about brothers who direct? There's something there. You got the wakowski, you got the Cohen. You got the sister really? Oh, that's true. They transitioned both of them, which is crazy. Both of them. What are the odds? I know. They made a really cool movie in the 90s. Have you ever seen that one bound with, uh, Jennifer Tilly and Gina Gershon? Great 90s flick. It's like a couple. It's like a 90s noir. Oh, fun. This is, and I'm going to do a film with Susan Sarandon next. It's her. Is it right? Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll talk about a resume. Every, all your favorite movies. Oh, she's in every single one of them. Old Durham, the client. It just isn't. And Brocky Horror Picture Show. Ah, she's pretty milfy. Oh, a Thelma and Louise. Ah, come on. Darker than you remember that movie. Yeah, yeah, they kill some people. Yeah, I guess I should think it's dark. The famous thing is I'm driving off a cliff. Right. Good one. No, it's actually dark. It's not for everyone. No, it's a cool movie. Very cool. A young Brad Pitt. Wow, look at that. So can you talk about what's that movie about that you're doing with Susan? It's an odd plot. But I threw the machinations of the script. They end up in a homeless camp. And it's all about that. She's got a disease. I play her husband. It's a, I think it's a tearjerker. I think it's going to be really sweet. All right. Great relationship we have on the film. Okay. Are there any directors that you're like, "Oh, I really wish I worked with that person." Oh, yeah, lots. Like a. Ever do Tarantino? No, I'd love to. Yeah. You know, I didn't get to work with, I don't know if. Well, Francis Coppola made another film, but, you know, those guys that I. Megalopolis, too, make it happen. Yeah. I'd love to work with them. Yeah, there are lots. It's Corsese. Absolutely. In a New York minute. Oh, yeah. Come on, Marty. What are we doing here? Get the man in a movie. I remember seeing you in Mr. Holland's Opus. Oh. That was a good one. Yeah, they were the principal. I was the principal. You're a great story. Yeah. I, uh, nobody knew who I was. It was way back. I think it was. Yeah, it was before Fargo, probably. And at any rate, I can't miss a bus cut. I was at a flat top. And Mr. Holland has lost control of his class. So the kids are all screaming and yelling. And it's the vice principal, like a walk-in. And then I say, "What's going on?" I tell him to sit down and. I got a big voice, and I can really. And it was. I did it so big that these couple of girls sort of giggled. And I turned on them with a vengeance. And I said, "You think this is funny?" And they scared the shit out of them. So I'm sitting in my chair. We're lighting the thing. And these girls come up and they go, "Are you really a vice principal?" And I said, "No, no, I'm not really a vice principal." They said, "Oh, what do you do?" Wow.
- That's flattering. - That's flattering. - They're bothering. - They're bothering us, yeah. - Look at that stiff. I mean, that is a 50s-- - Vice principal. - Yeah, completely. - That's a urine trouble. - Totally. - Faith, holy shit. - Man, that buzz is beautiful. - Yeah. - Thank you for smoking another great-- - Oh, yeah. - Great, great movie. - Yeah. - How about it, that's a quality-- - That's true, that's very funny. - I knew it was coming though. It's called Mr. Holland's Opus, and it took place in this auditorium, and I thought, and they put me right in the middle of it, and I thought, oh my God, I'm gonna be in every shot, so I spent a week looking at Richard's back, as he waved his arms, with a little stick, and it just went on and on and on and on. - Let me ask your advice here. I'm the worst actor on the planet. I've auditioned for 5,000 things I've never gotten one. Somebody told me to dress the part. You would you agree with that? - Yeah. - So, like, are you going for a principal? Do you go glasses suit, haircut? - You gotta trick 'em. Look at, at an audition, the most nervous person in the room is the director. - Huh. - Because if he or she casts this well, you're almost home. If you cast it badly, why bother? - Mm. - It's, if you blow the casting, so they're praying for the character to walk in the room. Now, if you do too much, it's unsimly somehow, but you do just enough. You find that part of yourself that could be a schoolteacher. - Right. - Just a little bit of it. And you, you act that way, just a little bit. If you get caught, that's no good. - Yeah. - But. - So you go a little extra, a little over the top? - Just, now everything is self-tapes, my daughter. Sophia Macy is doing hundreds of self-tapes. And I tell her, dress the part. If it's a doctor, at least wear all white or something. - Yeah. - Yeah. In other words, help the director out as much as you can. - Yeah. - Visualize it. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Be that character a little bit when you walk in the room. - Well, I did a pool boy audition and I said screw it. I'm gonna go shirtless just to mix it up. And I still didn't get it, which is even worse. 'Cause they just walk out of there with no shirt on. Very embarrassing. - Auditioning is tough, man. It's the worst part of the business. - Hate it. - I mean, if you're a one in a million type, there's seven of you here in Manhattan. - Yeah. - Right. - Yeah. - That's true. - Sometimes you just gotta look the part and that's it. There's not even a matter of the end. - We wrote a movie and we're in the process, hopefully filming it in July. But there's been so many hurdles. - Yeah. It's a minor miracle. - It's crazy. - Yeah. - Anyway, I think we're still gonna shoot in July, but it's been, it's our first movie. So we'll, you know. - It's tough. - It's like getting a woman pregnant, 45. It could happen, but it's rare. - It might not come out so good. - Yeah, a little walkie. - Who wrote it? - We did. - Yeah, with two other writers. Got a no on a nester. So, yeah. - Yeah, just straight comedy. Joke, joke, joke. - Yeah, it's a Indie. - Indie, big Indie. - Indie, yeah. But it's, you know, we love movies. We want to do it at some point, but we, you know, we're not gonna be like, like a guy like you, but we like, we like movies. - Yeah. - Like being comedians, so we think, you know, that's what we want to be in it, too. - Oh, yeah. - Who's gonna direct it? - Jonifying gold, got it. Who's, who's done some cool stuff. - Oh, yeah, hopefully it works out. - Yeah, hopefully we can shoot this summer and get that puppy out there on the streamers. - It's fun. I love making movies. - Yeah. - It's just rare in this world when you get this disparate group of people all pulling in the same direction for a piece of art. - Yes. - I mean, that's something. - That is great. And we're all just playing make believe as adults. It's a wild, wild occupation. - I heard, I saw a clip of Brian Regan, you know, great comedian recently saying, like, I would pay to do comedy. - Right. - I could pay to do comedy. - Exactly. - It's like, like, I pay to play golf. I love golf. I love doing comedy. And I was just like, oh wow, yeah. It's a great way to just look at life. - The best. - Is that, this is fun. - I used to pay to do comedy. I've opened mics, used to charge you five bucks. - Right. - Yeah. - Crazy. That's how you know you want it. I love these guys who start comedy and like, so how do I get an A.J.? When do I start making money? And I'm like, you're already out. You know, like, if they're focused on the wrong stuff, are there any young actors or actresses you look at that you're like, oh, this is really cool. - Oh, yeah. I mean, well, I'll say it. My daughter. - There you go. - I'm AC. I watch her on these self tapes. And I think, oh man, you are annoyingly good. (laughs) She's got that it thing, you know? - Yeah. - I don't know if she comes from two parents. Do you think she-- - I don't know if you can-- - Let's start. - Maybe it has something to say. - Well, maybe they pick up on your mannerisms. I think that's a thing. Like, I met my biological father late in life. We had the same fucking mannerisms. - No way. - I think some of it is an eight. - Yeah, I agree. - Oh, sure. - Yeah. - Yeah. I mean, they laugh about the dinner table because, you know, we were just talking about cut to the chase, hun. - Yeah. - They said, you were taking your life in your own hands. And Flissu was really good saying, how was your day? But I just couldn't help myself. When it started going off the rails, I would say, stick to it, hun, you're losing me. (laughs) - Yeah. - Oh, what's even right man? Right man's son is a great director. - Oh, Jason right man. - Yeah. - Yeah, incredible. So, there's gotta be smoke. - Thank you for smoking. - Yeah. - Yes. - That's great director. - That was a great movie. - It was. - It was. - That's a dark comedy. - Right. - Isn't it? - Yeah. - Really dark. - Did he do up in the air? - Yeah, great movie. - Great movie. - That hit as traveling comedians, I was like, - Totally shit. - Totally. - I've had too many conversations about airline status. - Yeah. - That really, I was like, oh, how do we get this? You know, how do we get this perk? Yeah, at that hit. - Oh yeah. - Great flick. - Now, where are you at on the NEPO stuff? 'Cause some people really come down hard on the NEPO, but I'm like, well, why wouldn't she go for being an actress? You know, like, just 'cause of her parents, she can't act. - Yeah. - I never got that NEPO hate. I get it, they stink. And you're like, okay, she got in 'cause of this. But if you're good, you're good. - You know, NEPETs isn't my gift, you're a role. And it might get you two roles, but if you're not good, you're not gonna get a third role. - There you go. - And this is a tough business. - Oh yeah, oh yeah. And the business feels like it's changing too. So you gotta really keep up with it. - Yeah, this AI thing, don't know what's gonna happen. - Scary. I think the government should get involved. I think we should watermark anything that's, especially in the, if there's a copyright kind of a thing. Just watermark it and let us decide. - That's good, that's good. - I mean, if the score to the film was made by a computer by AI, just let us know. And we'll decide whether we wanna go see that movie or not. - Yeah, I like it. - Like I hope that people want to support people. I think that's part of, like I love sports. I love watching a player have a reinvent their game as they get older and adapt. And maybe they don't have the speed. And they have to, you know, I like monitoring, you know, when actors rise and director, I like following their career. Like the Scorsese doc was so fascinating because we've seen how he starts with, like, box-car birth, and then ends up, you know, the aviator to all these other movies. And it's like, that's interesting. It's not interesting for a created robots ascendance. - Exactly. Yeah, and you can, I think with humans as a twinkle, there's something there, like you ever see AI porn? It's not the same. There's no sadness. There's no struggle. I need the, I need the real runaway, you know, trauma. - You might have created the only good place for AI. - Ah. - It's porn or demon, maybe, anal insertion. - I'm not against it. I recently, okay, like you're gonna play a cling on or something like that. - Mm. - You got two choices. You want to sit in the chair and the makeup chair for six and a half hours. - Right. - Or just do a little bit and let AI do the rest. - That's not bad. - It's still my face. I did plan into the apes, the new one. And I got to act with all these guys, 'cause they wore a suit and it had sensors and they wore this sort of cloth helmet. But I was looking at their faces. And then when you looked in the monitor, - Oh. - They were apes. - Real. - In real time. - So you had to do some real acting there. - Yeah, and you knew what was going on. It was a tool. They didn't even use that what we saw in the monitor. They did it all again. - Right. - But that works. - That's not bad, yeah. 'Cause it's special effects anyway with the makeup. - But you wanna know what? We went, we did a big opening for it. It was a big splashy movie. Made a lot of money. And I think we did it. Yeah, we did it at Gromance and LA. And the young woman who was in it, she was a human. There were, I was a human. There were other humans, but they didn't have roles. They were just humans. - Yeah. And I walked in and everybody went crazy for the two of us. And these pushmucks, these guys who had been working on this thing for two years. They walked in, nobody knew who they were. - That sucks. Yeah, it's like the backup band, you know, Springsteen or something. Ah, that does stink. Look at that.
All right, wow, boy, you got a lot of range here at all every different kind of role. Yeah, I'm a lucky guy. Yeah. And you got stuff in the background or two, you got the TV show, the land, and you got the surrounded movie. Yeah, you don't really have to ever retire. You can kind of do this forever. Yeah, there's an alter-cocker almost in every film, an old guy. So as long as I can stay upright and learn the lines, why not? Yeah. Keep going. Although it is a lot of work, I might be getting to the 10-hour day, I'm afraid we might have to say. I don't have juice for that. The land is episodic, so I had a couple of full days. But man, when I had a 12-hour day, I'm out of juice at 10. Yeah, I hear you. You seem pretty healthy. I mean, you're fit. Yes. Got your stuff together, it seems. Pull out of here. I got my hair. I got my health. But it's a 12-hour day, especially if you've got a lot to do in your concentrating the whole time. Mm-hmm. I'm done in. I'm wrong out by that time. Oh, I get it. You're on. Yeah. That's why movies are tough for me. I've only been in a couple, but there's so much downtime. I just want to get moving. We're comedians. We write a joke. We tell the joke. Yeah. It's good. Okay. Very fast. All right. I do like having the response. I know of a joke's funny that night. Right. I love that. Yeah. It's scripted. Comedy's hard. You know, you're like, "Is this funny?" I guess people do table reads and stuff. Oh, yeah. Man, is it nice to just know? It is. Or to at least know if it's close in your garden and keep tweaking. Right. But. Yeah, we need the audience. Yeah. And when you're on a film, there's a danger to start playing to the grips and that's death. You know, first time they hear it, they laugh. Right. You try to get them to keep laughing. Yeah. Yeah. One of the hardest things in acting is when you do it, and you did it fully, and you had a nice moment, stop. That's it. Yeah. Keep trying to improve it. That's why when they come up for your close-up, you go, "Well, I did it great in the master, but I'm going to do it a little bit better." Right. It's a kiss of death. Totally. You don't do it better. Just do it again fully. Yes. I heard Eastwood does a million takes. No, he doesn't. No, he doesn't. One, right? Oh, okay. Okay. What other, any movie wrecks you have because our audience loves a good wreck. Films that have been in that didn't work. No, I meant like a film recommendation, but no, that's good. Oh, wrecks. So we would like or not, maybe not know of. But that's interesting too. Like, being in a movie and being like, this is going to work. And it just doesn't. That's actually pretty interesting too. It's fascinating. Well, is this thing on? I love that. Okay. I watched all the Oscars this year. I liked Hamlet. What's the movie you think is overrated? Bring up the Oscar film's secret agent. Was that one of them? Oh, that was one. Yeah. Okay, I could not that, I kept waiting for that film to begin. Everyone loved it. Wow. I'm the, I'm an outlier on this. Yeah. As well acted. I didn't either. He's good. Yeah. He's fabulous. But all right. Yeah. It's brilliantly rewarding. Is the review hilarious? Okay. That didn't begin. Got it. Never got off the ground. I'm all fashion when it comes to films. I like a good story. I like the ending to be unexpected. Yeah. I believe in three-act structure. If I don't know, it's sort of the Robert McKee. You know, Robert McKee, he did a story structure class. He was the guru for a long time. His books are out there. I took a seminar with him over the weekend. And he teaches three-act structure and his premises. Is this a guy they did an adaptation with Brian Cox plays him? Could be. Hmm. Could be. Anyway, he's the smartest guy. He really, he says that the cavemen used three-act structure. Oh wow. It's the way the brains work. Interesting. And basically, he says, you better know who the good guy is and who the bad guy is and what the issue is by about page 30. Hmm. Because you'll lose him if you don't. Right. You know, it's awesome. We watch Mean Streets the other night and there's that shot where De Niro walks into the bar with two girls, you know, on each arm. And they zoom in on Kaitel and you can just tell he's fucking annoyed with it. And it's like, oh, you know exactly who they are. Yes. And that one shot. Yeah. So that'd be a list of filmmaking. Yeah. Really cool. I love it when they say, you want to try it without saying it? I love that. Oh, interesting. I think audiences like it too, like that moment. And that was a really cool moment and it doesn't hurt when you're playing the Rolling Stones over it too. You're right. True. But I mean, you think of your character in Boogie Nights, like we knew exactly who that guy was. Oh, yeah. Totally. That's, I'm sure you hear about this shot all the time, but that one or a view just walking through the party on the countdown has got to be one of the most iconic shots. That's like an I've arrived as a director shot. Unbelievable. It's like a play. Everyone's in the right places. It's incredible. How many times did you have to do that? The, the, the gorgon, as they call it, it's a backpack I had on it and a little tube coming up. And this is back in the day, I operated it. So they hooked it up to the pistol. So when I pulled the trigger, it fired the gorgon. And we, gorgon, we went through it, you know, it's a long scene. I started in the bedroom, go out to the car, come back, go all the way through the party and there's 60 people in their party and then walk into the room. And you hear shots and then I walk back out and then I blow my brains out. Yeah. Thanks for ruining it. First time we did it, it, it wasn't ready. So Paul cut it so because it took a long time to clean all that stuff up. Right. Second time I walked out of the room and the gorgon went off by accident. Whoa. So we were shut down for an hour while they cleaned all that stuff up. Whoa. Third time it worked. And they're starting to get me ready to do another take and I looked at all of them, Paul's in front of the monitor and I watched them and I heard the shot and they all went, "Oh! Wow." Their hands went in the air and they looked away and they said, "Play it again." And the second time they went, "Oh!" and I thought, "I think we got the shot." Yeah. And we did. Wow. One time it worked. That's a good feeling when the crew reacts. Damn. Ah, such a good, now do you find that younger people are finding these, these 90s movies? Yeah. I hear about Boogie Knight's a lot and Magnolia, Shameless is having a rebirth, there's all these young people come up. That was a while ago and all these people, Felicity's having a rebirth with Desperate Housewives. Wow. Yeah. Well, moms are watching it with their daughters and it's recognized a lot for that. Well, all TV was great. I mean, that's why people still watch the office and Seinfeld and all that stuff because it's it was well done. I still do. Well done. I watched it. It's my go-to. The office? Yeah. The office or Seinfeld or Veepe or. Sure. Modern family. Oh, great show. Love 'em. I've watched Old Simpson still all the time. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you were in the sim? That's got to feel good. Yeah. I don't know what I did. What do you mean? My role was, they go, "Hi, it's William H. Macy and I said, "Yeah, you know the thing about independent films and then they beat the shit out of me." But I got the jacket. They sent me. Oh, you're going to jacket? Jacket. What kind of jacket did you do? Oh, I didn't know what you were going to do. It's a baseball jacket with all this stuff. What? Yeah. It's pretty cool. Yeah. We were going to end this part the same way. That's going to. Well, on you. Oh, that's fun. That's it. Oh, dude. Tell me about your whiskey. Okay. Head 'em, say. What we call bodega cat because our idea was what makes you happy. It's just something that makes you happy. You were in a bodega late at night and a little cat comes out. We just always made a smile. I get it. That was that. And then, you know, we like Rye. So, yeah, we drink a lot of Manhattan, that was kind of. And we always liked it with Rye and made in Indiana, bottled in Kentucky. Mm-hmm. And. It's got a great spice to it. The flavor is really unique and. This prints too small. What's the mash bill for you? Oh, good. I don't know if it's up in my head. Oh, good. It's not all rye, is it? No. I think it's 95 and 5. Let me see. But yeah, every show we do, there's bodega flowing, all the fans are drinking it. It's moving. It's nice. Good. Good for you. Yeah. We should definitely take a bottle off here. No problem. And we'll keep yours in the studio. Yeah. Yeah. Try that purple gin. We can't forget. Next episode we'll do it. Yeah. Let's do it. And anyway, you can sign the bottle just for old time's sake. I think I could. Awesome. Nick Offerman's whiskey over there.
as well. Yup. The log of all-in. You know, last week I met an actor who doesn't have a whiskey brand. Why is it that we're all drawing a whiskey? Well, it's Clooney's Tequila. That's true. Or it was. It's because it's, for me, it's the romance of it. It was 2,000 years ago that we figured out the Olympics still. Nobody knows who did it. First, there's a good chance that they were trying to turn silver into gold. And that's where they came up. And the whole distillation process predates written history. So it might have been Mesopotamia, it might have been in China, could have been in Europe. But the process has not changed. Yeah. We'd take a pot, put some grain in, boil it, catch the steam and cool it down, drink with ice. Not the meshes, but all the cool characters drink like cowboys or private eyes. It's always whiskey. Yeah. And Draper, Hammingway. Yeah. A bottle of rye. Yes. And I love rye in particular because I think it's America's drink. It was America's drink before bourbon. And the bourbon makers were ready. As soon as prohibition was repealed, they were ready to go. Oh, yeah. And rye sort of died with, it's having a comeback, but it died with prohibition. I tell this story a lot. I hope it's true. But when George Washington left office, they bounced his last two checks. The government did. He needed money. You didn't make a lot of money. He was rich and he didn't make a lot of money being president. So he started distilling rye whiskey. And it was all in the East Coast. That's what everybody drank rye whiskey. Old Monongahila, they called it after the river. Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, that's where they made it. Wow. Wow. They weren't doing a insider trading back then. He didn't have a meme coin you could sell. Well, hey, check out the land. Get a bottle and watch some of his classics doing this show. He's in so many great movies. I mean, an insane resume. Oh, yeah. You're one of the great American actors. Well, thank you. So cool to meet you and have you on. And thank you so much, man. And I can't wait to try your rye whiskey. I'm going to try yours. Oh, yes. Three ice cubes. You're good to go. I've been, I've been we go to various places like big chains that liquor stores and stuff like that all over the country or bars that we want to get into. And we always buy everyone there, a bottle of our whiskey as a gift. But we also do tastings. And it reminded me how swallow it is to drink in the morning. Just a little tiny sip, you know, you're supposed to spit it out, but I did these barrel tastings to choose my rise. I've got three of them out there now. And that's an experience. You should do a barrel tasting sometime. Oh, I would love to. We had to taste 10 different samples before we picked that one. Got it. On air. So yeah, we swallowed. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, well, we were and that barrels strength stuff, man. Oh, yeah. Heavy duty. The arms are all overproof. Does yours? Ah, pretty standard. 47 I think. Yeah, we overproof them because bartenders like it for mixed drinks. Oh, okay. We want to do it. Yeah, we want to do like a sherry cask or a port cask. That's big these days. I think it'd be kind of cool just as just as an alternative. But yeah, I we're like, yeah, I love it straight. I'm on the road. It's always in my dressing room. Yeah. And it's nice. It's nice to make people cocktails. There's something very far out. People come backstage and you shake them and head and there's something. Yeah. You know, a bullet will do a boulevardier sometimes, whatever. But I feel like paper playing came back too. This pod, which I everywhere I go now, people are making this order one. If you never had one, get at a bar. They'll be ready for it. It's one part rye, one part lemon juice, one part of maro no nino and one part apparel. It's really, really good. A lot of sugar, but really good. Yeah. Well, thank you, gentlemen. Hey, thank you, Bill. Great. You're the man. All right. Thanks for doing it again. All right. May 7th. I'm in Los Angeles, the United theater on Broadway, the Netflix of the joke festival with Jordan Jensen, Rachel Fiance, and Joe Lyskin, the really fun show. June 6th, Verona, New York at the Turning Stone Casino. Then in August, Lisbon, Portugal, September 2nd Athens, Greece, September 3rd, Budapest. That's going to be really fun. September 5th in Zagreb and Croatia, September 7th, Vienna, Austria, September 8th, Warsaw, Poland, September 10th, Helsinki, September 12th, Sweden, and September 12th Copenhagen. No, no, September 13th is Copenhagen. 12th is Stockholm. So, yeah, see you guys on the road, punchup.live/sameral/shows, or justsameral.com. Mark, where are you going to be? Yeah, that's quite a run. I'll be the Hollywood improv, L.A. That's on the 5th of May. Then the comedy store on the 6th. Ontario at the Casino Rama. Monked into a Uvo Brunswick, Spokane, Washington. That one's almost sold out. Philly sold out. Suck it. Go Birds. With Milwaukee improv. In June, Irvine, California, I love that club. Tempe improv and Royal Oak, Michigan right outside of Detroit. Allerities coming to Cleveland. Classic. Yeah, I'll never been to this Emerald City looking forward to that. Hours coming along. Tampa, Florida. That one's sold out. Love Tampa. You did your special there. I'm in the Hamptons on the 30th. That'll be a fun and a Cobb's comedy club in San Fransiski in Houston. Improv. Thank you. Thanks for listening guys. William H. Mason's man. That was awesome. Oh yeah. And we'll see you guys next week. Get a bottle. New Orleans. This woman doesn't look like I remember. And I get down in the same way. We might be true.
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