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As I was watching these statues come down, I was thinking about what it meant that I grew up in a majority black city in which there were more homages to enslavers than there were to enslave people. Listen to Rebel Spear at Season 2 on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there folks, it is Monday, June 22nd, 2026, right? So why in 2026? Would anybody be giving a man a hard time because he wants to take off work to be there for the birth of his child? The problem here in the controversy is that his workplace happens to be the world cup right now. And with that welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ, I guess it's a controversy. Should it be? I think it's shocking that a comment was made. A lot of people made some comments, but a very, some would argue disrespectful comment was made by a female world cup reporter. She's French and she took issue with a Belgian player for saying, Hey, if Belgian, Belgium gets so far into the world cup, I may have to go home because my wife is you in July and it's my first child and I want to be there at the bird. Okay. So we stop there, Robes. And I guess you, people are very passionate about this. People, someone would say, Hey, you can't. You can't commit it to the team. This is maybe even once in a lifetime for some people. You're representing your country. The baby will be there later and people are passionate there, but there's the other side to it. Are you kidding me? He wants to be there for the birth of his child end of the discussion. Correct. And so those are the two sides and they are very passionate, very passionate. This French presenter, her name is France Péril. She was actually suspended because of those comments, because of the art, she made them on Friday during her broadcast and it was a heated exchange there on set and we do have the translation she said it in French obviously. But it was pretty interesting to see the reaction not only from her own broadcasting company who eventually distanced themselves from her, disavowed her comments, apologized to the public who was offended, apologized to the player. She was chastising and she too apologized. So there's been a lot of apologies, but there have been a lot of strong feelings about why in the world she had the right to say what she said in the first place. Well, she, right, she was doing commentary and somebody even argued maybe she was being a little, she knew she was doing poking us all, starting something a little controversial. But she gave an opinion. Now her opinion is one thing, Robes, but she was damn near disrespectful to men, women, families, anybody having a baby. She went after everybody in a way that kind of put everybody down. Yes, I agree. And so it's not that she had an opinion. It's how she said it and just it was without any empathy, empathy without any compassion. And I looked her up and it says she's a mom of two sons. So I was a little surprised because I would have thought that when you hear the comments, if you haven't heard them already, that this would only have been something a woman could say who hasn't had a child, who hasn't been in labor, who hasn't given birth. No, it turns out she's a mom. But does it, as you've heard the comments and you're about to read here, does the flip side of that work too that maybe only a mom and somebody who's been through childbirth could speak about it this way? Well, that is a good point. She felt it seems, especially when I couldn't obviously hear what she was saying as she was saying it because I don't know French, but she was saying it very confidently and very passionately. So yes, I see what you're saying. She probably only felt comfortable doing that because she had already, she felt like she had a secret. She's a mom. She's a woman. She can say these things. A man certainly could not have said that. Obviously not. A man would have been fired on the spot. Possibly. Yes, possibly. So she probably felt like she had the right to say it because she's been there done that. Makes sense. Yes, a man could never say what she said. Yes. And to continue, let's go ahead and get her comments out. Look, and there are a lot of different translations, but I did try to find the most consistent way in English that she said what she said. So she described childbirth as a quote, disgusting moment. Excuse me, where a dad is useless. You have to realize that it's truly a privilege to participate in a world cup. It's an incredible joy. There are hundreds of footballers who would kill to be in your place. It might never happen again in your life. It is truly a special moment. A childhood dream come true. And you're going to leave all of that to be present for the birth of your child. I'm sorry. The father serves no purpose. He is an extra. He just holds your hand and takes a photo. You're going to take a 10 hour flight, exhaust yourself, go through the ringer emotionally. How can you return to play after that? The baby will always be there. Then she said some people may have gone into debt just to get to the world cup, maybe sacrificed everything to be there. And you're leaving to cut an umbilical cord. Woo. She went too far. She can't express opinion and some will have the opinion that wow, I don't think it's the right move for him to leave for these reasons. She got it almost sounded like if a stand up comic could set this, we wouldn't think anything of it because that is what they do. She was saying she seemed like she might have been cracking Joe. I don't know if she actually means the stuff she's saying, but it's incredibly, she said some incredibly offensive stuff. Oh, be a to men to death. Like you're you're not needed. No purpose says no purpose for you being there. That's just not true. We don't have to defy. We shouldn't argue about that. Is she belittled the experience of a father in a delivery room and not only what it means to him as a father, but what it means to his wife to have him by her side. And yes, he isn't just holding her hand and cutting the umbilical cord. He is there as her support system and witnessing your child being born is I think an incredible privilege that shouldn't just be cast aside because the baby will always be there. And by the way, you don't know what's going to happen in that delivery room. I had a very scary delivery. You don't it's not just a given that it's going to go smoothly and he doesn't need to be there for a number of reasons to help his wife make decisions. Because you get faced with really tough last minute life or death situations where you need your husband there. You need the father of that baby there. Like there are a lot of reasons why men should and women I'm sure want their husbands there and it's beyond just what she flippantly described their experiences. Flippant is the right word. Well, she's disrespectful or putting down men but also dismissive of families. What a family unit is, relationships, what hell marriage is. I mean, she's dismissive of everything and what she said and maybe she didn't really mean. some legitimate points that I'm willing to listen to and that's okay for people to disagree with what he did, but it rolls a decent way, another way to go about this. She could have said, "I hate he's in this position, that he might have to make a decision like that, because I know how much both of these things must mean to him. I'd hate to be in his position." That's it. Exactly. Exactly. And it's so interesting because even her apology on X over the weekend, so she eventually apologized the following day. But have you seen it? She says, "In light of the very numerous reactions following my comments regarding Belgian footballer Jeremy Doku, I wish to provide a few clarifications. In it, I expressed a personal opinion within the framework of a debate. In it, I was expressing a personal opinion within the context. In the context of a contentious exchange, these remarks commit only me and in no way reflect a collective position. I understand that they may have shocked, hurt, or wounded some of you. And I am sorry for that. My intention has never been to minimize the place or role of fathers with their partner and their child. If that wasn't her intention, I don't know why she chose the word she did because that is exactly what she did. She messed up in a moment and she said something. She shouldn't have said. Then she probably knows that now, Robs. But it is a part of a debate. I hate for folks to be. You can have an opinion about things, right? An opinion about what somebody does that doesn't lead to a judgment of who they are. And she just went too far there with this kid. Agreed. And it was all of the thing again. He's ill. I don't know how old he is, but I know she is in her mid-40s. So obviously he's younger than that. But I also thought it was interesting because before she made those comments, one of Dooku's former youth coaches said something similar. And I wonder if she saw it and read it. And it kind of is very close. If it sparked something in her and she thought, you know what, I agree. I'm going to go with that line of thinking. So his own youth coach, when the announcement was made, that he may leave if the birth coincides with a game. And his own coach said, when you go to the World Cup, it's a choice. It might sound a bit harsh, but if you're there, it's because you have chosen to play. The baby will still be there afterwards. That she said something very similar in her remarks. The baby will be there. And to be honest, Role, this debate pops up every now and again in professional sports that happened here in the US plenty. That line seems to be consistent, actually, or the suggestion of the idea that why miss this important playoff game or this championship? The baby ain't going nowhere. Like that's the, like being there for the moment is like, what's the big deal? And maybe, I don't know. Role, it's the idea or just how we view men, women, mothers and fathers as what they provide in the family and what we're supposed to be sensitive about. A guy isn't supposed to be sensitive about sentimental about things like that. It's got a game. It's all right. He was on the grid. He was at Super Bowl. Couldn't be there for that kind of stuff. And she's playing into that foolishness. Yes, exactly. And look, it's so interesting because you asked me, you said, wait, have you even seen anywhere, specifically, where, excuse me, where doku, Jeremy Doku actually said for sure that he was going to leave? And I said, actually, no, he left it open ended. He was just suggesting he was at a press conference. And he specifically said, it depends on when it happens. But it's my first child, so I would definitely want to be there. If you ask me what I want, my answer is that nobody wants to miss the birth of their first child. But I also know that football involves many other considerations. I know that federation supports its players and understands their situations. We'll see what we can do. So he wasn't saying no matter what, I'm not going to play. But he did want to put people on notice, I might miss a game if my child is born. And I have to choose. I'm a pressure, his team. He's talked this out with his team. They know exactly what he's going to do. They know his partner. They know they're excited about the baby themselves. They're all planning to step up and maybe play a little harder if they have to, if their boy has the missing game. Yes, exactly. Which is how it should be. Agreed. And so it's really been interesting to read some of the very strong reaction to her comments into the situation in general. So when we come back, I'm going to read you some of my favorite comments that I think they made really, really good points. And also let you all know, guess what? There were two other players at this very world cup who have been in the exact same situation. In the moment, it felt like it was going on forever. I didn't think I was going to live. I was terrified. They turned black. That was your first murder case. Yes, sir. Fear to say this was the biggest case of your career? Yes, sir. Red Bull Murder, which I love your old childhood. I would think so. People wake up and the woman saw the murder take place by Kriveth Indepipo. 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If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Achila Hughes. In Rebel Spirit season 2 goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit season 2 on the IHART radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back, everyone, to this episode of Amean TJ. We are talking about a French reporter who has been suspended from covering the World Cup after she made comments about a Belgian player in a Manchester City star, Jeremy Doku, who suggested that if his child, if his wife goes into labor with his first child, while Belgium is still playing, he may miss a game, fly back to England to be there and to be present for the birth of his first child. She made some comments basically that completely minimize the role of a father in a delivery room and suggested that he should make a different choice. And absolutely said, point blank, the father serves no purpose. He is an extra ending with the baby will always be there. Again, if a comedian says that on stage, I laugh, I laugh. I would. That would be funny. That's not how she meant it. No, she did not. And the reaction was pretty brutal, especially, well, we know X is a fairly brutal place. But I thought some people made some points. I heard what you said. Some people very much echoed your reaction to this. I thought this was one of my favorites. You didn't just deliver a personal opinion. You denigrated a choice. And that's where it differs your tone, deliberately aggressive, aligns with television habits. it said backfire on those who use them. This time it's you. That is exactly right. Yes. That is the point, Rose. You can have a debate about it. I wish he wouldn't do that. I think he should do this. But you delve into making a judgment about a person based on a decision. That's not okay. That's not okay. And someone on X. Yeah, exactly. Took issue with her apology when she said my intention was never to minimize the place or role of a father. Okay. So someone wrote, yet that's exactly what you did. And it saddens me because I usually love your natural and is on screen. So this is a fan of hers. The birth of his child is worth all the soccer matches in the world. There's no debate to be had about that. Okay. I buy that. But if someone also said that it's like should we also criticize them? Should they be strong criticism if he decides, if he says, you know what, I'm going to miss the birth because we're in the, is he going to get criticism for that? I'm sure he would. But I mean, what's a what's a guy to do? Just Rose, it's and it shouldn't be an impossible position. This isn't a big deal. I really don't find this to be a big deal. A dad wants to be there for the birth of his child. Okay. Yeah. What, that's nothing else. What is he busy doing? Whatever he's busy doing, there's nothing more important than that. If you can, you can make the argument that the world cup is more important than the birth of his first child. Exactly. And it's so funny. You have been saying some things that people have echoed exactly. There was an editorial that was published this week. And I'm going to read a view because it literally is what you just said. If Jeremy Dock who has to rush off to the maternity ward in the middle of the world cup, there are only two things to say to him. Congratulations and have a safe flight. Yeah. My period throw in. We'll win this one for you. Exactly. Exactly. You said, Rose, this happened to Anthony Edwards in 2024 of the Minnesota Timberwolves. He literally left at halftime of the game to be there for the birth of his child. And you know what? He left at halftime as a wife as a mother. I think anyone out there would say that's a good man. That's a good man. Okay. It wasn't game seven of the finals. Would that make a difference? Look, I just think it's a personal decision. And that's it. And look, if your team wants to say something, if your coach wants to say something, if the owners of your team wants to say something, then that's who should be saying something. But I don't think a TV presenter should be saying something. No, express an opinion. Fine. Not a judgment of the guy. That's all. I mean, I'm not taking away. And again, she has a legitimate logic in her opinions. But Rose, she put the guy down. She put all dads down like how dare you. It's a judgment of him. And he's a 24 year old. Oh, 24. Okay. Black kids from Belgium. And he and you know what? I like what you said, she went beyond just pointing the finger at him and judging him. She judged all dad. All y'all. Everybody. Yeah. In fact, I was going to read this one. Well, that's still a hell of a load of vomited shit in just a few seconds. Lack of empathy, humanity, and that's just for starters. Keep talking about sports. But for pity's sake, avoid overthinking the important stuff or even the unimportant because I get the feeling you're a bit limited on that front. I mean, people went personal towards her. But I look, people called her on it a disgusting moment where the man is utterly useless. But hold up. You didn't want to downplay the father's role. L-M-A-O. I mean, she can't say what she said. And then say, I would never intended on diminishing a man's role. Of course she did. That's exactly what she did. That's exactly what she said. So is she changing her opinion? Does she think differently now that she's gotten called out? I don't know. But listen, there were two other players. This world cup in 2026. So Kucho Hernandez of Columbia, his second son was born on June 1st while he was representing Columbia. He shared that he had not been able to yet personally meet his new born, but he dedicated his performance to his growing family. So he hasn't met his son yet. He missed the birth. And he's like, hey, I'm dedicating my playing to you. It was the second son. I don't know. Does that help? Does that make it any better? The kind of. The son knows that his father dedicated his matches to him. But here's the thing, babe. If he's okay with it. His team is okay with it. His family's okay with it. The woman who was giving birth is okay with it. I got nothing to say. Exactly. Now how about this? This one was interesting to me. So the other player who had a child born during this world cup, and he missed it. South Korea's goalkeeper, Kim Song-gyo, you're the goalkeeper. That's kind of an important job. Yeah. He missed what? The birth of it. Oh, he missed the birth. Okay. So he was in Mexico when his first child was born last week. And he did put this at, well, he said this at a press conference because everyone knew. He said, I deeply regret not being able to be with my wife during the delivery. I want to bring a good result home from here. I told her while she was still in the womb, not to look like me. Apparently she listened. I think it's a real blessing that her face is perfect and a beautiful mix of my features and my wife. So he made a little joke. Soft in the blow, but look, they had put out a bunch of pictures of him kissing the belly before he, in his soccer thing, before he left. Clearly his wife was okay with it. Yes. And so. He missed the birth. And so she's okay with it. What am I supposed to say? Exactly. And what would you do? What would you want me to do? Does it matter what game it is? If it's just in the middle of the season game or if it's in game six of the Eastern Conference finals, does it matter if it's a Super Bowl? Is it matter if it's the playoffs? Is it? Yeah. It might matter. And I do think it also would matter what your role was with the team. If you were completely going to be letting the team down by missing a game of potentially ending a chance at a victory or at least a never before bracket or whatever your entire country can get into and it's hinging. It's like you're an integral part to it. Look, I think any woman who loved her husband would obviously take that into consideration. Yeah, I think that's true. And what if I'm the backup kicker? I think that's a different story. Okay. If I'm the starting white out, that's different. I don't know what that means. I'd receiver. Oh, speaking of how about this for a woman Van Jefferson is his name 2022. He's playing for the Rams. Wife pregnant. He's playing at the Super Bowl. They end up winning. He doesn't know that while he's playing that game, his wife in the stadium goes into labor, goes to the hospital. Wow. She insists they not tell him and let him play that game focused. She knew him. She knew that crazy. She knew what he was supposed to do. And look, my only concern would be if I made that choice and you're that you'd be mad that you'd be mad that I didn't tell you that you'd be mad that you didn't get to choose. Why didn't you pull me out of the Super Bowl that we ended up winning? Yeah. Okay. No, no, no, that's exactly. She's a real one. That's what I'm saying. That's a fun story, too. Did I actually think you tell your kid, Hey, yes. Your dad couldn't be at the birth at your birth. But here's why that's kind of a cool story. And look, they have the pictures of these two men face timing with their wives. I mean, they were there looking at the birth through a screen. It's not the same. But it is a cool story to tell your kid. I would have no problem with it. But you know what? Maybe his wife is fine with it too. Maybe he just really wants to be there. Maybe it's not his wife at all. It didn't sound like it was. They better they better win that game, though. Can you imagine missing the birth and losing? That would not be ideal. But anyway, just an interesting story, things you don't think about. But yes, World Cup soccer players are people too. And you know, and like soon to be new dads and there's all sorts of life events that are going on. There's a lot of sacrifice that happens to get to this level and people make different choices. Some people don't like those choices and then they get suspended. And with that everyone, we appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Robock alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon. Joy is essential and it's also elusive, but now there's a new and exciting way to start your journey toward a more joyful existence. Joy 101. It's a new podcast hosted by me, Hota Kotby. If you're craving inspiration to maximize your joy, tune into these candid, uplifting, and moving on air chats. Open your free iHeartRadio app search, Joy 101 and listen now. Joy 101 with Hota Kotby is presented by CVS. They turned black. Evil wake up and the woman saw the murder take place by Kremev and the Pippo. Anthony DePippo showed no signs of remorse appearing unfazed after being sentenced to the maximum. Listen to the devil's quarry and the bone valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Out now, you want to know about Ockham's Razor? Simplis Explanation is usually the right one. We got you covered. Wondered what chaos theory is, ever since the first time you saw Jurassic Park? Well, come on down. 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