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Damn, I'm disappointed already. So my CTO, we're talking about like. The CTO is the, of course, the. Chief tech officer. Yeah, like I don't have one. So. Yeah. Yeah, so we're talking about like these TTS, which is text-to-speech model, a diffusion model. And we're bantering on technicality versus creativity. I have a feeling you're going to leave me far in the dust on these subjects. I mean, I'm not a tech person, and I know you are. Oh, no, I'm a curious. I just think you know a lot about this. And it's funny, because we were talking about AI on my show tonight. I just came from taping real time. You remember, you were on it. Yeah, yeah, it was awesome. Thanks for having me. You know. That was a while ago, wasn't it? Yeah, it was 2000. But you morphed into. I mean, you're not in showbiz anymore. I mean, we still tour like for summer. We do our summer tour. But you're a professor, right? Yeah, at ASU. That's amazing. That is not the biography you usually see, rock star to professor. You know, I try to switch it up. No, no, obviously you got the goods. I mean, you can't just ask to be a professor. You have to like, you know, have studied and have the degrees and get. Tired. So, I mean, but obviously you love it, right? You must. You wouldn't do it. I'm having a great time. I'm teaching my syllabus that I created called The Agentic Self to solve a problem. The what self? The agentic self. See, already I'm lost. Yeah, so. See, I'm not one of those people who like. A lot of people, when they hear something they don't know, they just kind of like glide by it. Not me. I got to stop you. Because how else do you learn? Oh, I'm quick to be like, yo, what did you just say? Right, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. What did you just say? What's agentic? Agentic. So, we went from like the internet compute to the internet to AI. Right. And now agentic systems. And the agentic will take folks. To AGI, and AGI will take to superintelligence. What's AGI? AGI is artificial general intelligence, where the machine. How is that different than AI? Well, AI, humans are still either prompting, humans are still. Oh, you're saying we don't need the humans at all with AGI? With agents, agents can do things on its. Use the computer the way a human. A human uses a computer. Yeah, this is what's scary. I know. You know, it's so funny, because this is exactly what I was talking about with Tristan Harris. Do you know him? He was the top of the show guest tonight. And it was all about. He just was in this documentary called Apocalypse, Optimism. Which gets at the idea that some people think AI is the apocalypse, and it could be. For sure, it could be. And some people think it's just the savior of everything. And there's a lot to be scared about. And this is one of the things that scares me, is like, when it's the computers just working with the other computers, when they don't need us anymore. Somebody told me a funny thing after the show that Elon Musk had said to them, hey, do you like your dog? Well, good, because you're going to be the dog soon. See, I don't. I think the. The folks that are saying that are the folks that have the platforms, and they want you to believe that. I don't. Aren't the richest people the ones who are selling the AI? Aren't they the ones with the platforms and the money? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, if you're going to spend all this money to build something, you're going to hype it up, as it's the most intelligent thing in the world. Now, what it's not doing is imagining. It doesn't have. It doesn't have imagination. It's regurgitating everything that we've ever done. Not true. It hallucinates all the time. It's a big fucking liar. No, no, no. You know that, though, right? About chat GTP, and you know about hallucinating. Yeah, yeah. Okay. That doesn't worry you? What? That it's a liar? Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, that. It only worries me if you are depending on it for 100% truths. Shouldn't you? What's the point of building Mr. Spock if he can't tell you the truth? I can get the bullshit from Bones and Captain Kirk. I want Mr. Spock to just give me the truth. Yeah, yeah. But just like a child. A child will grow, and then we'll be able to give you that truth. Right now, we are in a. AI is in an infant state, and of course, it's going. It's going to make mistakes. But back to the hallucination. Creativity, psychedelic art, that's all hallucinations. And so for the creative space, AI hallucinating is perfect. I'm fascinated by this topic, and I'm so glad you can elucidate a few things for me. Did you hear about the one, and, you know, please trust me, I like you. I'm not trying. I hope this doesn't trigger you. Oh, okay. Okay, because it's. But it is a real story. They gave it a test. I can't remember who it was, what it was, but. And it was like, if you used this certain very bad word, you could stop, like, a million people from dying. And it wouldn't do it. A racial slur. That, to me, is crazy. Because it was programmed. It was programmed in such a way as not to make a rational decision. Oh, so say that again? The question it was asked was, if you could stop. I don't know, it was like a train from derailing, or something where many people would die. Just by saying this bad word out loud. And AI was like, no. So it chose to let people die as opposed to saying a terrible word. Yeah, but then you have to look at it from. Who programmed that? It's not. That's my point. Somebody. Even though it's a machine, not a machine, whatever it is, but the source is human. The provenance of it is human. It has to be. That's why they're different. That's why Claude is different than ChatGPT, because different people program them. Yeah. It's not like one day the AI is like, you know what? Listen. I ain't doing shit. That's not what AI did. Well, I mean, when you put it that way. Somebody programmed that. And they programmed it for one good thing, but then that one good thing causes a bad thing. It cannot be, it doesn't have full autonomy, and that's what AGI will be. What AGI is like, it will decide on its own. I've heard, I've not heard the music itself, but I certainly have heard from people and read about music that is being made totally by AGI. That has to be somewhat of a threat. You don't find that like something, I mean, this is, I mean. I don't find that. How many records have you guys sold? 100 million records or something? Something like that. Some big fucking number that puts you in the big leagues of recording artists. Okay, so now something comes along, and, you know, people are, people are fickle. And by the way, when it comes to like what you like as what relieves the burden of your day, the music, the TV, the movies, you should have complete autonomy. I mean, I don't ever expect anybody to like me because fan loyalty. The second I stop doing the thing that they like that I do for them, they will stop watching, and they should. If they like the AGI song better than yours, they'll buy it. They'll use that instead. They'll listen to that instead of what, I don't know, I mean. The only thing that bothers me with AGI music versus human music is not that AGI makes awesome stuff. Prince made awesome stuff. Michael Jackson made awesome stuff. Did that stop me from making music? Because Prince was a better musician, better singer, better everything than I am. But that didn't stop me from making my own music. Do people want to listen to Prince's music, over my music? Damn right they do. I don't want to listen to Prince's music over my music. But does that stop me from making music? No, it doesn't. So, is it going to dawn? Well, you had some, your band had some bangers that are just as good as Prince's great stuff. I mean, that's just, look, I always say, I'm just the young man in the 22nd row. I have no musical ability. It's very liberating because you don't have to do anything except say, no, this is actually what I like. Yeah. But, you know, I love the one that, I guess you can't play anymore. I guess you rewrote it, but I'll get retarded. Well, let's get started. Let's get retarded. Let's get started. You're adorable. Let's get retarded. And, like, I'm not trying to say the word retarded. I'm not, like, oh, reveling that we can say it again. You know, it's not that big a deal. If you don't want to hear it, I'm sorry. So, I could break down that. I mean, it just shows what a different place we were in 20 years ago. Yeah, so if you're in the studio, right, and you have a conductor or the producer, and they're telling the band and the instructions on the song, and the producer or the conductor says, okay, on bar 24, we're going to retard on bar 24. That's a thing? It's a musical term. That's awesome. But retarded is also a word in the language that means many things. It wasn't, you know, it's like. Yeah, that's the reason why on the lyric it says, in this context, there's no disrespect. So, when I bust my rhyme, you break your neck. We have five minutes for us to disconnect from all intellect and let the rhythm perfect. That's great. Us to lose our inhibition, follow your intuition. Fear, inner soul, and break away from, right, tradition. Beautiful. So, that song, Let's Get Retarded, is a musical term meaning to let's slow down our inhibitions. Retard on bar four. And in the first verse, it says, in this context, there's no disrespect. Because we're using the, referring to slowing down our inhibitions on bar 24. Well, good luck explaining that to Greta Thunberg. Because she's going to fucking kill your ass. Which is the reason why we've said, okay, let's just make it, let's get it started. Right. And it rhymes. Right. I remember Gnarls had, Barkley had, So Fuck You, and they changed it to Forget You. It was a great song. It's still a great song. Yeah. Forget You. I mean, that doesn't work as well as Let's Get Started. But I like that because not every battle is worth fighting. You've got to pick your battles. I always say this about Trump. You know, he does a million things, and I just can't get excited about all of them. Some of them are just like the cloud that they tell you when you meditate. You know, thoughts come into your head. Don't fight them. Just let them pass like a cloud. You know, he wants to put in a ballroom. Okay. I'm just not going to get excited about it. I've had too much fun in ballroom. But speaking of Let's Get Retarded, going back to that, we decided to take it off of the DSPs ourselves. DSP. Like the DSP. The Digital Streaming Platforms. Yeah, so exciting. We were like, I think it was sometime in 2000 and. 2000 and late. 17. I got you on that one. That was good. That was good. Yeah, we were just like, hey, let's take it off. It was like mid-2010s that we took it off the DSPs and just focused on Let's Get It Started. Now, was that a band decision? Did you have a band meeting? The band members gathered around and you tabled this issue and said, let's take a vote as a band. Did Fergie get, you know, did she make a speech on this one side? No, she's only in the intro and the outro of that song. Well, she's in the band. No, but that song was recorded before we met her. Really? Yeah. Well, I guess I'm remembering my man. It's like, it's tough when you're 70 because like. You're 70? Yeah. Man, you don't look 70. Well, thanks. I would alter clean living. But you say you still go on the road. Yeah, we go on, we do like our, we call them free summer vacations or paid summer vacations. How long? We usually go out like two to three months, the whole summer. Oh, wow. But this year, this year is just a month and a half in Europe. Oh. Last year, we were in, we went to China. Wow. Singapore, Vietnam, sorry, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines. This year, we'll do Sweden, we'll do Slovakia, Poland, Lithuania, UK, France. France, Spain, Hungary. You like being away. I mean, you like seeing all these different places. I love it. Yeah, I bet. I was in China two weeks ago, three weeks ago. What city? Shenzhen. China has like cities with 10 million people that we've never heard of. Yeah, and they make the world's everything. Yeah, well, certainly when you put tariffs on them, it doesn't affect. No, like it's really, it's really fascinating and awesome to see how they work. The Chinese? And the level of like attention to detail. Oh, yeah. The, the joy that the, the folks that are, that own the factories and what comes out of them. And I want to have some version of that in the inner city that I come from or in all the inner cities that reflect that way of life. Like Shenzhen, 30 years ago was a fisherman's war. Right. And now it's, you know, New York. No, the, the battle for the 21st century and who will be the winner and who will be the, the country that we look back on and say it was their century. It'll come down to, you know, China has things that we absolutely don't have, which is like discipline. I mean, things that Americans just don't have anymore. They just cannot get it together on that level, especially the younger generations, please. I mean, they could not work in a factory all day. They could, they can't concentrate on shit. They're spoiled. They're, they're too fragile. All these things that China doesn't have. That's why China can build a city in six months if they put their mind. They can put a, build a bridge in a week. We don't have that. But they don't have freedom. Their people are not free. It is a police state. And when you don't have that. Their freedom is different than our, their want, their need of freedom is different than our need of freedom. Not all, not all. Well, that's kind of patronizing to say. What another person's need of freedom is. At Edward Jones, we believe rich is about taking care of what gives your life meaning. That's why your financial advisor personalizes your plan to help you preserve your progress and create something that lasts. Let's find your rich. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. I mean, freedom is freedom. I think they, I think they, maybe they don't know. Maybe they're so brainwashed at this point they don't know how much freedom they need. But I think people yearn for freedom and they don't have it. Say, for example, you come from a place that was war-torn. And you want to be free from that. That's different from, I want to be free to do something that is not at the same level. So not every freedom is the same freedom. Sometimes you want to be free from tyranny. You want to be free from, you know, people in the Congo want to be free from that thumb, that oppression. People in America's freedom is a different freedom. And to say they're the same, that's not fair to the folks that are truly suffering. I agree. I mean, we are lucky. We have, we complain about freedom and some of those complaints, of course, are valid. And certainly in history, they're tremendously valid. But the perspective is important to compare ourselves to what the rest of the human race has done with this concept is important. And we generally have more freedom here than many, many people do. And, you know, China is a complete surveillance state. I mean, we are also, but not nearly to that extent. And, you know, we're pretty, China's surveillance is like, hey, look, I'm watching you. And that's what it is. America's like, listen, I'm not watching you. These motherfuckers watching this, Bill. Get the fuck out of here, bro. They got satellites looking through this right now, bro. Get out of here. Do you see any cameras here? No. No. We're just hanging out. We are being watched. We're being watched out from the, hello, our surveillance state is corporate. That's true. Absolutely. Their surveillance state is the government. Our surveillance state are corporations that know what you type. Microphones always compromise. Exactly. And by the way, corporation, you're totally right about the corporate thing. But their biggest accomplices in that is us. Nobody fights it. Our privacy is a lost war. And nobody. Nobody gives a shit. At least nobody in the younger generations. Maybe my generation has a few stragglers. I certainly do. I wouldn't put chat GPT in my phone. I have it on a completely different phone that has nothing else in it. I don't want, once it's in your phone, it knows everything about you. It's seen every picture of you. It knows how big my dick is. You wish. Chat GPT. And, you know, it knows every text I wrote. I don't want fucking. Chatty to know everything about me like that. And we all do it. I mean, when you get a something from any tech company and it's a long thing, do you read it? No, you just sign the bottom. Right. No, you just click it. You just click it. But you have to accept. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's pretend I read this. And you could read it. It could be say, you are going to miss absolute permission to stick an anal probe up your ass anytime. Yeah. We want break into your house and, and you would just not know, but we do it and we give it away. And the truth is that the psychology of the younger generations is much more privacy. Privacy isn't even desired. The bigger problem is I'm not famous. That my stuff isn't being followed. I don't have enough followers. I'm not, I'm an influencer. I got to influence people. They got to know everything about me. I mean, when people have like horrible physical afflictions happen upon them in this day and age, I mean, in my era, you would just hide until it was over. Here, they rush to the camera. Look at this, this parasite ate half my face. You have to see it. Yeah. Or like just the, how, if I were to fall down the stairs, if this was the nineties, somebody would rush to pick you up, help you get up. If you fall down the stairs now in the twenties, they don't want to film you. So true. So true. That's their first reaction is not to help you is to film it. Yeah. Okay. So we can agree that wasn't a good development with as technology. Yeah. So, um, the, um, human greed, whether it's financial attention, uh, ego inflate, that's what we need to be mindful of, especially with the rise of AI. And robots and companies that are going to be deploying like intelligent systems that will walk amongst us. And these systems will learn how inhumane humans are to humans. They will know how to manipulate. And if we don't get our shit together, as far as being more human to one another, um, we're going to have a, a fucked up time. And the next decade. Yeah. I mean, I, that's again, going back to AI, what I worry about is that AI is going to, at some point, because once you go down this road of, okay, at first we had AI and we were very much the only person programming it. But now there's all these intermediaries that are. Another form of computerization. So we're kind of like distancing ourselves from, uh, what this thing is getting and, and what it's thinking or wants to do about issues and problems. And, you know, if it judges that we are the problem, I could see us, see it killing us if we are the problem. And by the way, that's the same thing we always worried about with aliens. But I do think the aliens are here. You think they're here? Yeah, absolutely. Like where? Well, look, I've been trying to book one on this show for the longest time and I just get, I mean, their publicist gets in the way is what the problem is. They want to do it. The aliens, like, I love that show. I want to do that show. Yeah, I do. I mean, there's too many, uh, military people, government people who have seen things, but especially the military guys. These are squares. These are guys who are not out to do anything. You know, they've got crew cuts and, um, and they say, we just see things that are not explainable by any other human or what we know of the physics of Earth. Things that just move in a different way. And this has been going on for a very long time now, 10, 20 years. I mean, 50 years ago, it was a lot about the anal probes. Remember, they would land in the middle of nowhere and all these people would say we were taken aboard the spaceship. And I bet you they did that for a while and they were like looking to see what makes these humans tick. Wait, so, so what year was it when aliens were coming and doing anal probes? Well, um, interesting. Like after the first atom bomb went off in 1945, that's when you start to see like Roswell stuff. Like, like maybe what they, a lot of very high up, very respectable people, not farmers in the middle of nowhere, military people, serious people say, you know, they have seen that they do have alien autopsies. That there, there's some, there was some crashing of their things. That's what they think they have somewhere. And the government has never wanted to show it because it would cause a panic. Um, but with what we've seen lately, it's all these, you know, the military saying, I, I, this thing appears and then it disappears. We have nothing like that. We can see this on the radar. Um, it just seems to me, um. Backward thinking to say, first of all, that we're alone in the universe and that we'll just ignore this kind of stuff. So I don't know what it means. I, I, what I take away that's good from this is that if they wanted to kill us, we'd be dead by now. Yeah. So I, I, I have like a perspective that aliens probably wouldn't need spaceships. If they're more intelligent than us, why would they need a spaceship to travel? So they just beam themselves. Like in star Trek. Well, in the, no, they're just manipulate particles. Yeah. and then well that's beaming or appearing yeah yeah I mean you somehow you have to move particles now the beam is if it's coming from something appearing as it came out of something like there's a some if this quantum entanglement experiment or that's called the double aside it's called the devil's double slit experiment where they where they project a particle and when they monitor it the particle behaves like a particle if they don't monitor it acts like a part like a wave the moment they monitor it acts like a particle meaning a particle is aware that it's being monitored so I am looking at you you're looking at me and because we are observing each other our waveform is now in a part what affects the other yeah so if anything was more intelligent than we are it wouldn't need a spaceship to travel that's what humans this level of intelligent needs to move through space I mean maybe and maybe not maybe there is an intermediary phase where they do still need some sort of actual physical transportation but it moves in a way that we don't understand and maybe these that level is itself only a bridge to the next level which you're talking about which they don't even need the spaceship maybe there are people more advanced than these people these motherfuckers with their spaceships that appear and disappear there's some people out there going like they think they're all that because there's more than humans well who isn't that could be true too yeah or or maybe like but math is the vehicle well it's funny I had a math teacher who used to always say if we ever have contact with anyone outside of this solar system math is the universal language yeah it is yeah and and not my best subject well so you're gonna have to hold my hand on this one is that weed yeah I'm so sorry oh I don't smoke oh oh I get um I get um I get paranoid I absolutely one of the most common effects of weed there are ways sometimes I can ingest it and it makes me paranoid so I completely understand that oh no no but I'm cool contact no I'm not I'm not even suggesting I'm not I was not even putting it on the table I'm used to that just being on tour buses but your whole life you never smoke yeah last you tried it you know last time I spoke was 1998 March 18th oh it's almost to the day yeah and obviously when you're I sometimes I remember dates in my life but when you do it's usually something significant why did something significant happen yeah that's when I freaked out freaked out and started hearing things panics and I just knew that it wasn't for me chemically my imagination is vast and I'll freak out on coffee I can't drink coffee either I'm super hype always but I've always been hyper and weed it is slow me down it makes me hyper makes me hyper well sure yeah you don't mellow out like no no no the last thing I would ever do before going to bed which a lot of people do is get THC in my body do it would keep me up it would like drinking a pot of coffee yeah so yeah so for me for me green tea I'm great but the best like stimulant is lack of sleep well I understand what you're saying but what a price to pay not good for you no like that twilight is what I'm the most creative oh you mean I thought you meant like because Keith Richards used to they used to like stay up on purpose just to get that kind of crazy high you get from yeah it's almost being delirious you're not talking about that yeah that's the best you are you deprive yourself of sleep on purpose no so I'll go to sleep creating like right before it's time to go to sleep the best ideas and then waking up you know that you know that feeling like five minutes come on just five more minutes let me sleep that feeling is the best feeling instead of laying down and sleeping for five more minutes I'll go and complete what I did that the night before and that feels the best I've never felt a feeling like sleep and wanting to sleep more that's the best feeling in the world I know what you're doing it's like orgasmic yeah wanting to sleep more when you can't is the best feeling well there is I don't know about that but there there it for you great but for me I know what you mean about that that's sort of like in-between world where sometimes you wake up you're fully up and you go was that a dream yeah yeah I love that that's the best feeling ever was that a dream or was I really no I mean I woke up and I you know I must have at one point been dreaming about something and then kind of woke up briefly but when I went back to to fit to sleep like the reality kind of mixed in with the dream so it became a dream but like with very realistic dimension because very often a dream is crazy mom my dreams are really vivid and they're also crazy things right they're not things that would really be happening to you I mean you're like writing a dinosaur or something no my dreams are like memories like they're kind of there's sometimes no different in this I don't have wow and then my dreams are like I have like memories and things to do in my dreams okay we're gonna make a big example I I don't know why I'm the nicest guy in the world I got a calendar in my dreams shit they gotta do I got phone numbers and contacts in my dreams with people that are there sequential so you have like to-do lists in your dreams no like there's you know like like this life yeah I got came here went down the road that I that I've that I've driven down before right walk through the gate mm-hmm your guys like watch out for that for that bar there saw you you're spread the house my class really nice layout came in saw you the den my wow the studio is pretty awesome this this feeling here my dreams are like that my dreams are not wild dinosaur II it's like and I have like I'm conscious in my dream like something happens I'm like oh well I'm dreaming right okay cool well let's do shit my dreams are I'm just as much as aware of my dream as I'm aware awake so I had this dream at Edward Jones we believe rich is about taking care of what gives your life meaning that's why your financial adviser personalizes your plan to help you preserve your progress and create something that lasts let's find your rich Edward Jones member si PC fan duel is now available everywhere in the u.s. so you can get in on the sports action no matter where you are including these places make this your most rewarding season ever with fan agent location restrictions apply product availability varies by market see fan duel calm for eligibility gambling problem call 1-800 gambler propel fitness water with Gatorade electrolytes zero sugar and vitamins propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self what propels you propel with Gatorade electrolytes like I don't get specific but I it's like sometimes you have beef with somebody you just do especially in my business or I'm saying controversial things right so I had this dream where like this guy and I who have this beef like we're we're in a restaurant we ran into each other and there was like this confrontation and it I remember thinking after I woke up it was exactly like what the actual confrontation would have been to your point it's not always crazy but then you're not going to get what you're going to get but then I turn away and I start talking to this other guy who was man but like with a you know either a wolf or an ape head which I just accepted as normal and he was kind of getting in my face and I think at the end I said you know nice talk for a wolf boy or whatever we had like a little fight and but that was in the in a see in real life if this happened I'd be like I'd call Bellevue but in the dream this was like normal this this was like people some people have or you know his face was like completely I feel like I had a big with the pointy ears and everything and that and I didn't notice that that's it you know so my dreams are still I guess you would call that vivid where it's like very absolutely we can say this is different than something I've ever done. I would just be thinking I wouldn't daydream this but you're saying you daydream very similar to what your dream dream is. No I have uh I wouldn't it was a dream I had a couple of like um days ago and I woke up from the dream telling somebody the dream that I just had but in my dream. Oh now we're in the matrix now we're like an interstellar. So yeah so I get you I dreamt I've done something a little woke up yeah one about my day right in my dream waiting to tell somebody the dream that I just had so what what do we what do we deduce from this when when a mind is like that when the dreams are closer to reality than most people's are what what do we what do we think that says about your your mind I mean obviously you're I don't know on a higher level. Then a lot of people you're a professor and you're no I don't know I don't know if it's higher level or lower I don't know what it is I think I think you're you kind of I mean I bet you're your IQ is high I don't care I don't want to be the smartest guy in the world they're never the happiest you know I I'm I just want to be the wisest not the smartest the wisest and there is a difference. Hmm what's smart people don't do stupid things that make them unhappy smart people do. But all the time smart doesn't stop you from being unhappy I know some of the smartest people in the world first of all some of them are on the spectrum like everybody who controls a I don't think you worries him about that Mark Zuckerberg totally on the spectrum Elon Musk. Sam all miss these are all evil robots to begin with are you kidding to wait to take over they already did really Zuckerberg is a real boy okay but. No. Baby pictures of. I mean I would love to talk through I would there's a guy who is fascinating to me because he seems so unfascinating but I don't think he's he's on your page he's he's like oh you're you're all worried about a I and you shouldn't be but you know that's what he would say if he was a robot. But I would love to talk to him because I think he's like most people. I mean I see it all the time on this show on my show and a Republican congressman on tonight who like I'd only read about her and then it's like oh you know if I'd only read about you you're stupid you're a hothead she's not any of those things we don't agree on many issues but you know what I always say it everybody's a monster till you talk to them who haven't you interviewed that you want to interview. Most of ironically mostly Democrats like because they're such pussies they won't come on the show like the Clintons. I mean you know Kamala I voted for you really haven't interviewed them yet I would love to they you know the Democrats are pussies about like going anywhere that they're not already pre adored not all of them but I mean somebody Kamala Harris I mean like I always say to my woke friends we voted for the same person you're just why she lost okay you're a little too precious but you know that's let's not talk shop. What I would like your opinion. On this why. Why are Democrats. Like that. It is a great question if you really want me to answer that why are Republicans like you get about it and then why are Democrats like oh okay I mean it's like people in general always fall into one of two camps I mean obviously men and women and not that we're saying there's only men and women of course trans is a real thing and gay and blah blah blah but generally there's a default setting. And we are so yin and yang I mean this is this is through every culture that everything is sort of I mean if you want to talk spiritual like a lot of religions begin with the notion that this is why there's pain on earth in the in the spiritual realm heaven whatever you want to call it there is only oneness in the fairy queen he names the queen una una as in unity una there's just oneness. There's no pain. There's oneness when we're here in the earthly realm everything is black and white man and woman you know all these kind of thing Republican and Democrat liberal and conservative all these things that give us pain because they cause conflict crips and bloods crips but crips and bloods they're like just as aggressive I thought that they had made a pact I thought they were like working together now no. Oh they probably are but they were you know. At odds but my my I would always wonder like I'm I'm Democrat but I if I I would be a little bit more aggressive when it comes to like fighting for the things that we should be fighting for like when did Democrat become so passive well it's not about them being passive I don't think it's about the fact that they just came to champion. I don't think it's about them being passive I don't think it's about them being passive I don't think it's about them being positive I don't think it's about them being passive I don't think it's about them being passive I don't think it's about them being passive. by their fringes. - By the who? - Their fringes. In other words, the Republicans are controlled by the far right, and the Democrats are controlled by the far left. They're not the majority. Most people are much more in the middle, but the people on the fringes, they have the megaphone. Especially on the left, well, both. They're both, it's younger people. Younger people on both sides are much more radical, and they're better at social media, they're better at media, they're better at getting attention. So that generation, I mean, Gen Z now is almost passing the torch to whatever comes after them. I've read the name, but I forget, but they're not quite there yet. But they're a very different kind of generation. - Gen Alpha. - Gen Alpha, yeah, I guess so. And we'll see. I mean, a lot of Gen Alpha are already like getting rid of the cell phones. Like that's a big movement now among younger people. They understand themselves probably better than anybody that it kind of fucked their minds up. I mean, they feel like growing up on screens, they got bullied on screen. They just felt inadequate because they would see so many things that other people had on screen, things that I can't even imagine growing up when I did. But it made them unhappy. That's why there's so much stress in that generation. So much anxiety, anxiety. Yeah, I did have anxiety when at that age, but it wasn't because something was on, you know, if I was bullied, it was in person and I was. - My anxiety came from March 18th, 1993. - That was a bad trip. - Yeah, it caused a chemical imbalance. - That stayed with you? - For about three months. They had to like, you know, get my mind together, create my way out of it, settle like my, my panic attacks. - And this was strictly from pot? - Strictly from pot. - You sure it wasn't? - It wasn't laced. - No. - Mm-mm. - Can you tell me something about pot? - We were signed, we were signed a ruthless record. - 'Cause it wouldn't have that effect on me. So why waste it? - Yeah, we were signed a ruthless records. Eazy-E signed us when I was 16. - Eazy-E. - Yeah, and we smoked some like good stuff. At the time we were just smoking like stress. Cess with the seeds in it. And then finally one day I had, you know, the fuzzies, you know, the weed with the fuzzy hair. Not the dirt brown weed that you gotta separate the stems, but like the fuzzy stuff. - I was a dealer, I know all this. - You used to deal? - Oh, absolutely. - Dang, bro. - That's how I. - Why don't you like rap? - Real more? - Yeah. I know what I'm good at and it ain't that. But yes, I certainly remember the seeds. No, I was, when I was in college, that's how I got through college. And then my early years living New York doing stand-up and nobody paid you in those days so I was yeah I was a pot dealer and in college I was a dealer for I mean we we dealt me and my partner we we dealt whatever our dealer had because we were the lowest end of the totem pole like we were selling to the kids we would we would buy like a pound or two I when I say a pound which is 16 ounces which would make 17 ounces you know that's what you call the head tax yeah one for you so it wasn't quite an ounce that you were getting but I mean speed at Cornell was huge I mean for some reason I think in New York was a hub in the 70s and that speed was still to this day the best drug I've ever done I mean the only thing I've ever done was weed oh wow really we well some night let's get retarded wait we was the only thing that I've ever done and yeah it was a you were never never curious about I mean it seems like with your mind or I guess you know maybe you don't need need it I need it and I'm not afraid to admit it I need it for certain things or at least it makes certain things much easier I know 93 from 92 when I started 93 when I stopped I remember I got I was doing graffiti in Palisades high school I was doing graffiti on the wall and mr. Marshall comes in he's like William I'm like a mr. Marshall he's like what are you doing I'm like no no I'm just I like this guy's like continuous and the guy's name was Express and I would just I was traced his name rest in peace Richard Taylor and he and I flushed the market down the toilet and I my tag was right right besides but I was quick-witted I was quick with the with my BS to flush the market down the toilet and like no mr. Marshall wasn't writing and you're like get over here check my pockets and he found some weed in my pocket and I'm like oh fuck so mr. Marshall's like William I can expel you for this Mike mr. Marshall this is not my week this is not even my jacket he's like you expect me to believe that I'm like mr. Marshall if this was my weed I would have smoked it I'm not even gonna lie to you I smoke but this is not my weed I didn't even know I had weed in my jacket it was like you know what I could expel you for this I could kick you out of the school but we're gonna put you in rehab so I had to go to rehab at Palisades high school for weed cuz I admitted that I smoked weed okay and this answers your question about why Democrats lose so then really I mean like not everything has a bureaucratic solution yeah you know it's just like it's too much so so I went and they were like we had to stand up and say like my name is William Adam oh for fuck's sake like a like like an AA meeting yeah but I went to Palisades so we had rich kids have smoked oh there were coke heads there Oh mushrooms like everybody the pillars so this is 98 no this is 93 so who else was there in 93 like other celebrities 93 Whoopi Goldberg's daughter boom we went to school together was in the booze in this program no no oh not in the program but we went to Palisades I see but yeah pallet pallet was a great school but when I was there in the program I was like look weed makes me creative I was like the typical you know weed spokesman it slows down my mind for me to like I could freestyle right now well anyhow hmm and then a couple of weeks later is when I had that and then I was there for this program and I was like look weed makes me creative I was like the typical you know weed spokesman it slows down my mind for me to like I could freestyle right now anyhow and then a couple weeks later is when I had that any how and then a couple weeks later is when I had that oh that moment and from there so oh that moment and from there so oh that moment and from there so we're times you grew up in I grew up in East we're times you grew up in I grew up in East we're times you grew up in I grew up in East LA Boyle Heights and got bust out the LA Boyle Heights and got bust out the LA Boyle Heights and got bust out the palisades so I got bust out for 12 years palisades so I got bust out for 12 years palisades so I got bust out for 12 years you know for 12 years of my life I'm 12 you know for 12 years of my life I'm 12 you know for 12 years of my life I'm 12 years - and not two hours to and from years - and not two hours to and from years - and not two hours to and from Boyle Heights to Palisades Pacific Boyle Heights to Palisades Pacific Boyle Heights to Palisades Pacific Palisades yeah I want a Brentwood science Palisades yeah I want a Brentwood science Palisades yeah I want a Brentwood science magnet it said I want a part of two magnet it said I want a part of two magnet it said I want a part of two hours huh it's a two hours Boyle Heights hours huh it's a two hours Boyle Heights hours huh it's a two hours Boyle Heights an hour an hour and a half dropping off an hour an hour and a half dropping off an hour an hour and a half dropping off everybody on the way oh I was a bus yeah everybody on the way oh I was a bus yeah everybody on the way oh I was a bus yeah yeah so we had to pick up everybody you yeah so we had to pick up everybody you were bust there yeah it was like a were bust there yeah it was like a were bust there yeah it was like a busing thing yeah magnet program and you busing thing yeah magnet program and you busing thing yeah magnet program and you wanted it yeah it was the best thing wanted it yeah it was the best thing wanted it yeah it was the best thing ever happened to me really yeah because ever happened to me really yeah because ever happened to me really yeah because you did like that school better I like you did like that school better I like you did like that school better I like hanging out and hanging out in Palisades hanging out and hanging out in Palisades hanging out and hanging out in Palisades and part of your junior high but going and part of your junior high but going and part of your junior high but going to Brentwood Elementary School compared to the the the the teachers the equipment the curriculum in Boyle to the the teachers the equipment the curriculum in Boyle Heights I I'm so blessed to have gone Heights I I'm so blessed to have gone Heights I I'm so blessed to have gone to Brentwood Science minor and what do we to Brentwood Science minor and what do we to Brentwood Science minor and what do we owe this disparity to if we had to I owe this disparity to if we had to I owe this disparity to if we had to I mean why was one place so much better mean why was one place so much better mean why was one place so much better oh my mom oh shit are you talking about oh my mom oh shit are you talking about oh my mom oh shit are you talking about zoning zoning his zoning in Brentwood zoning zoning his zoning in Brentwood you don't have like liquor stores and check cashing and like you know that cocktail of like liquor store check cash motel you know strip club right next to the school that that cocktail is a setup right because that means there's no financial literacy you get a check you cash it you you get some some money you go to that liquor store or the strip club from there you either go to the strip club you go home you go to the motel because somebody got kicked out of the house like why would there be a motel there why that combination and bad food that's going to create hypertension high high pressure high cholesterol diabetes so how do we change that and whose fault is it that it's there it's i think it's uh if you if you look at it for face value and that setup because in areas where you have that cocktail folks that live in communities like that are have a higher percentage of going to prisons and those prisons are also privatized yes so you have privatized prisons horrible food no financial literacy um addicted to substances and the dehumanizing of people seeing them as objects and you don't have that in areas where people are affluent they have financial literacy they get money they grow money they grow wealth they eat better the food in their community is healthier for them so but what i'm getting at is like where do we find the root of this problem who's responsible for changing it i'm just asking i'm not loading the question i remember having whiton marsalis on you know whiton right and we were talking about i think he's from i think it's you know i hope i hope i'm not misquoting i'm misremembering but you know come on sometimes i blame the pot if i am but i think it was and we were talking about newark and he was saying that you know republican administration democrat administration it still looks like newark and i i remember playing there many times and you would you know i remember where the plane landed and then driving to the venue and you would pass through this section of town that looked shitty like what you're talking about and then you'd get to a different section of town where this nice you know those four blocks of you know nice buildings and and uh you know it just seemed like whoever is in charge newark's like why like why are the democrats better if it doesn't change when they're in charge like why why does it always seem this is what we were kind of like musing over like why what what's who who's not doing what and why if if the democrats are are a better party for people of color why doesn't it look different when they're in charge that's a that's a that's the uh the riddle but both democrat and republican are to blame for how communities are zoned like there's there should be some things like you don't you don't mix you don't mix you know poison in the water right you don't put um certain combinations together and so that combination in our in certain communities um you can't blame the result and to survive in those communities people were selling illegal substances that illegal substance is now legal would you would you There were folks that were selling weed in the hood that had to go to prison. What about a weed store? When you say, oh, you shouldn't have the school next to the strip club and the liquor and the blah, blah, blah, would you put a weed store in that category with the things that shouldn't be? Because I own one. No, no. Or partly own one. So I would look at it like, I don't think weed is bad. Me neither. But like everything to a moderation depending on the person. Some people's tolerance is here, some people's tolerance is there. There's obviously a business that, and I'm biased to what I'm about to say because I know people that went to prison for a long time when they were selling weed when it was illegal. Now that they've gotten out. You would think they're going to get out and be the best weed seller, but they can't even do that in a way where now it's billboard, they're weed billboards. And folks that have, you know, spent a lifetime doing something that's now illegal. That to me is heartbreaking. And if they were to come back into the community, that dispensary, but having a license to, I don't even know if they can have a license to have a dispensary now that they've come out of a correctional facility. No, of course you can't. I mean, they're very super strict about mixing any sort of pot with, I mean, I got rid of my guns because I don't want them to be able to say, oh, you know, you have guns. You have guns and you smoke pot because that's a big no-no in this country. People have gotten in trouble because idiots, they post on Instagram like a joint in their mouth while they're holding an AK-47. So I've never shot a gun. Well, not an AK-47, but an AR-15, okay? I was exaggerating. Well, actually, no, I shot a gun once, but it was like a pellet gun. But this country does not like to mix those two things. They don't like to mix vices. I mean, strip clubs. Strip clubs, you mentioned. Strip clubs are always crazy places where, like, if it's fully nude, then no liquor. Like, we cannot get them drunk and have them see actual pussy at the same time. That will cause riots or something. But if they cover up a little bit, pasties or something, then we can have liquor because then they won't go apeshit inside the strip club. You know, some of these things are ridiculous. Like, grandfathered in from, like, 200 years ago or 100 years ago or some shit like that, you know? But, I mean, you say zoning. You know, I think redlining, but, you know. Redlining and zoning falls in the same, like, puppeteering of, like, how people's lives are configured to be lesser in the environment that they're in. That is the history. I'm asking if that's the present. You think that's it? It's a conspiracy that. I don't think it's a conspiracy. I think it's, like, a known practice for our neighborhoods to be configured the way they are and then a known practice that folks can't, at one point in time, couldn't go out and buy in certain areas. So, if you were the king of Los Angeles or any city, like, a big city, you would change the zoning laws? No kings. But if you could just snap your fingers, you would change the zoning. That would be, like, job one for you? Like, make sure that you just. Because. No, job one for me would be to educate folks in the community to the same level. Because part of the zoning is how much teachers get in the area where you have that cocktail, that configuration. Like, the investment for education is higher in areas that don't have the same zoning configuration. So, I would have equal access to higher education. And then mentor and inspire the, you know, a cluster of youth to go back to the community and change the community via entrepreneurship themselves. What are your kids? I mean, what are your students? I mean, they must be, like. So, my foundation. I have a foundation called I Am Angel Foundation. No, but, like, when you teach, like, I mean, I remember when I was at Cornell, there was a couple of, like, sort of celebrity, you know, Carl Sagan was there. He was a big astronomer who. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn. Oh, yeah. That's where Neil deGrasse Tyson met him and, you know, it was a whole thing, you know. He mentored Neil and. But what it must be like to have, like. Like, the rock star as the professor, the kids must be a little bit different than they would be in somebody else's class. I mean, you must notice some sort of, you know. I try not to. Awe that. No, I try not to go in there like that. But that was my biggest worry. I mean, if I was in Cornell and, like, Billy Joel was the professor. It would just be. I mean, it would just. I can't believe it wouldn't, like. I mean, first of all, it must be a very popular course. It's a. I mean. Once I realized, like, it's like writing a song, I got the gist. What is teaching is like writing a song? Well, the arc of the three hours. You know. Three hours? Yeah. It's three hours? Yeah. That's a lot. I never once in my life had a three-hour course. Yeah, we do three hours every Wednesday. Wow. Those kids sit there for three hours? Yeah. Good for you. It's. Because, boy, attention span is, you know. There must be a break. A bathroom. We have bio breaks. Yes, please. Every 55 minutes. 55 minutes. I love it. The kids can't go a full hour. Yeah, 55 minutes, five-minute bio. And then they must thirst for their phone. No, the phone is a part of the course. Oh, wow. Because they're building their personal agent. So we have the first hour. I set up the discussion, the debate, the banter. And the problem that we're going to try to aim our imagination at alongside the agent that we're building. We point out the lack of governance, lack of regulations in the space. Every week, we open up a new module or a new feature. How are they tested? Say again? How are they tested? We test the students on how ethical they're building their agent. What's a test look like? A test look like. It's not really a test from a traditional. Viewpoint. So, for example, in this realm that we're in where agents are deployed by companies under no regulation and no governance, and now we have people building their own personal agent, we test and mentor. We mentor the students to build ethical agents. And so, an agent will then be. Given a simulation on what the agent will do in a scenario. How you grade that, you have to be also careful how you grade that. Because you're preparing them for real-world scenarios. And the grade is not the class. The grade is preparing them for real-life scenarios. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So, you can't give them an A or a B or an F. You just have to have them think critically, think morally, have an ethical approach, so that when they take their perspective and their business that they build out into the world, they remember how. world, they remember how. So, they don't get any kind of letter grade? Say again? Say again? Say again? They don't get any kind of letter grade? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But for scenarios like that, I don't think. The grade is not there. The grade is how you prepare them for being ethical, moral, and collaborative with the community or a national. community or a national. How do they know if they did it well if they don't get a grade? Oh, oh, oh. Oh, oh, oh. The way that. The way that. It's not a. It's not a. We are living in a world now where you're building something that is hyper-intelligent, logical, reasoning, and you have to be careful on how you grade. And you have to be careful on how you grade. and you want to help them build ethical contributions to society where you don't lead with greed. So how do you put people first, communities first, have tolerance, understanding, and coopetition? So from that perspective, those are the guidelines. And then from scenarios, you see how it performs. You see how friction it causes. And when you pit this against that, the friction, you step back. First, we have one scenario where we look at it from this perspective, from a bird's eye view perspective, seeing how it's played out in real life and the friction it causes just by having a conversation about it. And then you put your students in a scenario. And you see if there's friction there. And if they see the friction, how can you now be critical to your own decision-making? It's easy to criticize if you're not in the decision-making. You have an opinion. But you've never been in a scenario or put in a scenario to see how you would be in that. By putting yourself in that simulated thing to make a decision and the friction it causes. People that you once aligned with or saw eye to eye with. And because now you have, you know, stakes that can compromise your desires. And now you have to look at a person that you agreed with at one point in time and there's friction. It's such a key thing, I think, and speaks to what's plaguing America more than anything else, is that people have to always. They have to always be able to, and so many people I know sadly these days don't do it anymore, have to be able to still remain friends with someone even though there's something that they think that you think is crazy. Yeah. You can think they're good on A, B, C, D, and E. And then you get to F and you're like, oh my God, you're just a mental case. But you know what? They think that about something you think. Yeah. And you just have to be able to go on. There's one thing that I borrowed from the world of music in these simulations is if you're playing or jamming and I want to do something because I want to do it, and my contribution is going to make the song sound horrible, then you have to contribute to where the song sounds good. That's awesome. That's a great analogy. That's awesome. So music does something where it's like it's not about noise. We're not going to top that. Yeah. We're going to end on that one because that is perfect. With your background and what you're doing now, that's the perfect melding of the. You're so right. You got to fit in with the band. You got to contribute to the whole. You got to think about the end result and what's. What does it sound like? What's it sound like? What's the game? And also music, again, just the young man in the 22nd row. I just want it to sound good. And right now you're hearing noise. Right. You're hearing like, wait, you know this shit don't sound right. Well, I wish I was 20 again and in your class because it sounds like it's a lot of fun. I think you should show your class this podcast. Oh. I think they would enjoy it. Yeah. They were like, who's that old white guy you're sitting with? No. They. They know Bill. Some of them do. Wait, wait. So are you William? Of course. But you're not like birth certificate Bill? No. William is. No, Bill is a nickname. It's like dick. Nobody has dick on their birth certificate. Especially now in California where they wouldn't even be willing to say whether you have a dick on your birth certificate. Good night, ladies and gentlemen. But no, William is, you know, very Irish. My name, my. I'm the third William Moore. I should have been William Aloysius Moore. Aloysius? That's very Irish. Yo, Aloysius. See, if you was a rapper and you was like Aloysius. It's a good name. Come on, bro. They would just call you Wishes. Yo, I'm here with Wishes, bro. But my grandfather was William Aloysius Moore and my father was William Aloysius Moore. And I was about to be, but we never got confirmed because my father left the Catholic Church. Thank God. Thank you, Jesus. Ironically. Right before I was supposed to be confirmed. So I never got a middle name. So I have not been. But William, yes. And you did something much more creative with it. I was, you know, I never really loved my name. It's so generic, Bill. Yeah, William's like. William's generic. I mean, it's so generic that comedians, like when they want to come up with a generic name for a bit, it's usually Bill. Bill, you had another idea, you know. Bill, let's postpone that meeting to last. It's either Bill or Tom. Those are like really the. And, you know, I mean, there's a number of songs. You know, don't mess with Bill. You remember that one? No. What was that, the 50s? The 50s. Come on, give me a break. Even I wasn't around in the 50s. No, the 60s. Maybe even a little before I was listening, but the Marvelettes. Yeah, I never heard that one. I'm going to check it out. Don't mess with Bill. You have to check it out. You could do a great remix. It's perfect for you because your name is Bill, kind of. No, they'd never call me Bill. I know, but like it would just be a good song for you to do. There's one guy that calls me Bill. I mean, it has a groove to it. It's not corny. It's not corny. Don't. Yes, and the song. Yeah, conjure it up on your magic light box. I bet you in seconds, Mr. AI, we can actually hear it. And I think it's the Marvelettes. I think I need to get bonus points if it is the Marvelettes. It is the Marvelettes. Oh, awesome. We've done it. Thanks, Bill. Look at that. You only heard it for two seconds and it's in your mind. It's good. It's not bad. The organ is what reinforces the. It's hot. It's nice. That's why your financial advisor personalizes your plan to help you preserve your progress. 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