Wil Sylvince: Grappling with Nuance

if you made a website and you need a testimonial i'll come on there yeah the amount of times can i tell you something the amount of times i have not eaten something because of will like you are responsible for 50 pounds i do not have on my body that's a lot that's good the amount of times will has gone man you don't need that when we're on the road man you don't need that he'll eat it later that's weird isn't it this may or may not be true no but i'm serious you know you know why because you you you've never judged me i don't see you judge people no but you get into like a very that you get into like a very inspirational no will gets very like oh it's very motivational like will will be like and then he'll be and then start telling you about like the the benefits of omega-3s and fatty acids in fish and why you should move to fish and you need this in your body and then you're like squeeze you'll take like a piece of steak from your plate you'll take like a piece of steak from your plate you'll squeeze it then the fat comes out then he's like he's like this fat this go to your heart man this go to your heart and then he puts it back down and then he like you're gonna eat that then you're like no you know why you know why you should do also i was a big fan of this guy right no he does it's a good thing but it's when will gets into like healthy food mode it's one of the best shows you'll ever watch in your life because he's so evangelical about it you see this is what now with trevor noah i feel like you make people uncomfortable with how you dress all the time no will is like why are you even looking at me like that what do you mean will yeah what you mean you are the king of dressing incorrectly for the climate that we're in tell us more yo when we were in singapore we went out why are you admitting why are you we were out in singapore right now so i'm trying to defend you we're on trial you can't defend this man when he's he's beyond guilty he's like the the you know like the archetype we're in singapore if you've ever been to singapore especially in the summer it is one of the hottest most humid places you've ever winter yeah but that's what i'm saying in the summer okay their winter is just a nice their winter is what a norwegian person would consider a warm sunny day it was summer we went out humid humid humid humid humid like full-on everyone's sweating everywhere this man next to me came out in layers it was so bad that people were taking pictures so people would come to the shows and stuff so they're like can we get selfies can we get pictures they took pictures of us you remember this and then they were like and then all the people said in the comments on the pictures on instagram and everywhere was yo why is that guy dressed like that in singapore who is that man and why is he it didn't matter where the pictures were posted people were made uncomfortable by will sylvins i'll tell you this i'll tell you this i like the heat i love the heat a big heat fan but i don't wear scarves real men don't wear scarves i'll tell you why i'll tell you why this is this is a true story that happened to me i wore a scarf one time i can't remember a long long time ago i was getting off the train right my scarf got caught we know how to close the doors took my i almost choked i had to let the scarf go and the train took off with my scarf waving p i know people was laughing some people was laughing and i was like never again yeah because there's a few garments that i think should not have been add-ons in any case right so a pullover jersey what do you call it here like you know a jersey that doesn't have sleeves oh what is what so it's a it's a sleeveless but it's a jersey like this that's a sweater yeah we call those we call those jerseys sweater a knitted sweater a sweater with no sleeves no you know those people who wear those yeah because they they they get they cold hair but warm hair yes same with exactly same with scarves i'm like if you're worried about this part going up you should have been covered yes you could they call it the pores for men because they feeling hot in the arms or hot in the arms and then i'm like so when people wear polo necks i mean and um and scarves i'm like why is this part important more important than this part and the and where you're so wear a balaclava and wear the polo mask i'll translate for you don't i got you will yeah i thought it was a person in balaclava could have been a dessert but then i'm like take a ski mask on tuck it in let's show your eyes go about your business but the fact that you're going to cover this part only in a polo neck upsets the fuck out of me why and also i don't understand why would you do that jean i will say that you are correct to be upset yeah thank you what's the purpose of the scarf he's a pilot please don't let's not we're not going back to this no no just real quick someone's giving me their purpose is it because your neck gets a lot of cold and and that's how you get sick ask the scarf guy no i mean we're back here what happened because i mean we may as well so the match is your socks i'll say when i woke up this morning that's all i thought i hope i'm just like talking about scarves for like long just i just want to talk about okay i'll say it like this yeah if you don't live in a climate that is like a really obviously we see you're trying to warm yourself yeah you know like where if if someone was in antarctica then you're like i i get it it's freezing they're wearing a scarf in normal circumstances it is a fashion choice but one of the one of the downsides to the fashion choice is that after wearing a scarf you do get a cold neck so since i became a scarf wearer i do experience cold neck and then so now i'm trapped in wearing a scarf whereas before i wore scarves i didn't ever have a cold neck so you say something your body will eventually adjust to to the cold neck it's like when you when you cut your hair off and you're all right i got a half head uh cold hair yeah and then you get used to it you never want to get used to cold necks again i do agree i am agreeing with is that where the the phrase turtleneck comes from because a turtle's neck wants to be retracted back inside so it gets cold so if you are if your neck is exposed you get a turtle i had not a high guy wow turtleneck we can always check let's check where the turtleneck came from i'm assuming a turtleneck comes from the fact that this this skin folds over in such a way that reminds people of the when you're wearing the sweater itself yeah but there has to be a reason to wear a turtleneck exactly what what the animal the turtle got to do with it because when they made the sweater they were like oh that looks like a turtle's neck no they should call it a lion neck what it's covered guys have you seen a turtleneck sweater what's that bird that got the got the have you guys seen a turtleneck sweater which bird is this what's that bird got the got the fur around his neck that oh yeah the one that goes yeah and that's yeah that's like a little we're talking about a turtleneck right now do you understand what we're talking about yeah that's we're talking about the sweater that looks like the neck of a turtle right that's why we say it doesn't look like the neck of a turtle i'm saying look like the bird the bird with the with the fur exactly so what i'm saying is you know why i hate people who wear scarves is because this is what happens so you hate dave no i don't no i'll say this this is but i'm just saying like the scarf made this happen no no so i'm willing to say this and and and i am sorry to i am sorry to people how sorry are you honestly are you so sorry that you'd give up scarves no so sorry when you say sorry that means you something that you did that you're not when you're not gonna do again yes right it's like if you chill on your girl and you say hey baby i'm sorry they says are you gonna stop and then she i'm not gonna stop that's why you're saying sorry yeah i don't know if that's the definition of sorry you see here will you see here do you see that that is the neck of a turtle yes do you understand now yeah yeah no 100 yeah do you understand why it's called a turtle neck yeah but that's not the neck of a turtle but that's not how we normally see that's how we normally see turtles though yeah you found the one rare picture no that's not the turtle's neck that's a turtle's head you know what that looks like that looks like someone in europe you okay how you doing welcome to the show don't do that will don't accept his welcome welcome to the show don't accept it what he must do now he must go on the fancy phone of his and google where the name turtle neck for a garment comes from that's what he's doing he will never do it because he knows one thing for sure so he just he picks the stuff that fits his agenda how do you know him so well you we're waiting i'm gonna i'm gonna do this yeah please do we're here for it i'm gonna do this all the time in the world in the meantime yeah did you see did you see michael the term turtle neck the movie oh the term turtle neck originated in the united states in the 19th century to describe a sweater with a high tubular collar that folded over resembling the way a turtle pulls its head out of its shell nowhere near describing a turtle's neck did i not just say the word turtle and neck no read that last part again are you guys crazy bro i mean he no resembles yeah the way a turtle pulls his head out of its shell yeah but there's no neck involved pulls his head Did you watch Michael? Yeah. What did you think? Amazing. I'm probably going to see it seven more times. You didn't understand it the first time? It moved me, man. What confused you? It was amazing. What confused you? Nothing. Because Will falls asleep in movies. I wouldn't be shocked if Will started watching the movie, then he woke up, then he's like, why is this white lady singing? I got to come back and see what happens. So let me tell you, Michael Jackson had a thing with his skin. You see, Will. And so what happened was. What do you mean you're going to go see it seven more times? When I love a movie, right? Yeah. No disrespect to the white people out there, but when I love a black movie, I go and try and support it as many times as I can because I enjoy it. You think that counts? I don't know if it counts, but it makes me feel good. Oh, that's good. That's good enough. It makes me feel good. And then plus, I try to take a different person who was on the fence of seeing that movie, whether it was Sinners, Get Out, all these movies. I went and go see them, you know, Foothill Station, I saw it like eight times, and then take different people with me. Hey, listen, enjoy it on me. When you go back and watch a movie that you've watched before, do you act like you know what's going to happen to the person sitting next to you, or do you still act surprised, or do you. No, I play dumb with myself. I act like, what's going to happen next? And then when they jump, I jump, oh, you know what I'm saying? But no, at some point, once you're like seven times, and even the people in the movie are like, hey, brah, hey, Will. Hey, yo, Will. No, but you know, I do this thing with my mind where I pretend I didn't see it so I could see it. And it's almost the same reason why we keep chasing, not to get crazy, why crackheads keep smoking crack. They're chasing that first high. Okay. Or when you. I'm not sure this works. When you have sex, go, you keep chasing that first part the first time. Or when you keep chasing. So I watch a movie and try to chase that first feeling I had. Has it ever worked? Yeah, yeah. Which movie got better the more you watched it? You blank yourself out of what happened. Which movie have you watched that got better the more you watched it? Uh. Django Unchained. Okay. Because Django Unchained, actually, I was actually upset and mad because they said it was a real story. And then I looked up and I'm like, oh, it's a fake story. Yeah. And then once I got that out of my system, I went back to re-watch it and I enjoyed it. I'm like, oh, it's actually. It's just a good film. It's a great film. You know, it's crazy that they can do that, right? You know there's a difference between based on a true story. And a true story. And a true story. Yeah. And inspired by a true story and inspired by real events. Oh, inspired by the book. You know that that. You can just say. I think that I have the impression that previously, just a short while ago, it used to be based. Like, based on a true story, it was a true story. Like, if you watched it, you were moved by it. It was a retelling. It was a retelling of what happened. Or like. What's that movie? Dead Candy? Dead Candy. Or Honey Bun? You're just saying words now, bro. The movie about the comedian. He was being stalked by this big girl. Oh. Oh, man. It's a series. The deer. Honey Bun. No, no. Stop saying the wrong words. You're throwing us off. You're not helping. I hate it when people do this. What is it called? Isn't this a series? It's a series. It's a series. She says it to him all the time. She calls him like a. She has a nickname for him. Sugar Cakes. Sugar Cakes. No. No. It must be a deer. It must be a deer, I think. I think it's like a deer or something. Baby Reindeer. Baby Reindeer. Baby Reindeer. What the hell? Thank you. Baby Reindeer. This guy says Sugar Cakes. Wait, wait. Baby Reindeer is a series. No. So what Netflix did wrong, when they started, they said true story. Instead of based on true story or inspired by true story, they just said true story. Cool. And that's why they got. Remember that girl came on? That's why she sued them. She sued them and she went on a bunch of interviews and stuff. Wait, the real stalker. Because instead of just saying based on true story. The alleged stalker. Don't get us involved, bro. Okay, the alleged stalker came out and said, I didn't do all of this. She said, this is false. You guys are. You're taking my name. And the thing is, if she didn't come out, we didn't know what she looked like. So she. Why did she come out? She outed herself. Yeah. The weirdest was that she came out sounding exactly like the character from the show. It was like. It was. You know when. People didn't know what to do with themselves because she came on TV and then people were like, so you're saying. I think it was Piers Morgan. Yeah. And then he was like, so you're saying that this is about you but it's not about you. Then she's like, no, Piers. I don't even know why they're saying it's me. I don't even understand what it is. To be honest. That she looked like the character. Yo, everything. It looked like she was doing an impression of the character. Then, you know when you. Before, you might have gone like, I don't know if this is you. After watching that thing, you were like, oh no, this is you, bro. This is 100% you. Remember Rachel Dolezal? Yeah. What happened to her? She's. I think she's Chinese now. I don't think so. 2 p.m. will! I think she changed her name. I think she has her OnlyFans. Rachel Dolezal. I think so. You can say you follow her. It's fine. No, I don't follow her. I read the Daily Mail and Daily Mail has all sorts of salacious things in there. Wait, so what does she do on OnlyFans? I don't know. People assume that it's only porn on OnlyFans. It's not only porn. She could take a clover and she's white. And white people are like, yes! On her face? Can I tell you something though about Rachel Dolezal? Rachel Dolezal? You know the way you say it? You say it like her name is Rachel Dolezal. I was about to say. Which is actually a great name. The way you say it, you go like Rachel Dolezal. Rachel? It's Rachel, but I'm saying. You said Rachel Dolezal. Rachel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, it sounds like Rachel. Which sounds like Rachel. Which is great. Which is actually a better name. It is a better name. Like, that's a good name to just say to somebody. Oh, look at Rachel Dolezal over here. How do you say her name? Rachel. And how do you say the other one? Rachel. That's the same word. No, you. Rachel Dolezal. No, you say Rachel Dolezal. You're saying Rachel. That means she's racial. And her name? Rachel. Okay, say this, say this. I'm multiracial. I'm multiracial. Okay, good. Now say Rachel Dolezal. Rachel Dolezal. No, you're saying. Okay, let me just get to the point. Rachel Dolezal, right? Yeah, cool. I actually, I loved it. Yeah. Initially, I loved it. I'm like, wow, finally, because black people, we're always trying to imitate white people with the long hair, you know, bleach our skin. Not just black people, but, you know, I'm just looking at you. Yeah, I don't know. You know, trying to, oh, when you talk proper, you're talking white, or you talk, you know, no one ever tried to imitate us. So when she came, I'm like, yes! She loves us so much that she wanted to be us. But then I found out why she wanted to be us. And I'm like, I can't. Why? She said that black people, black people don't deserve welfare. I deserve it. Because they're not, they're buying shit with it. And what did she buy with this? Yeah, I'm paraphrasing, but, you know. Yeah, make sure, make sure you, yo, you're going to get, you're going to get our haters. Yo, I don't think you should, Will just throws you under the bus hard. Yeah, he said, that's a whole race of people that should be wiped out. He said this, I'm paraphrasing. What he said was, I'm not having a good day. But I know what he meant. You can't just say, you can't just say, that, Will. Wait, look it up. You know, that's what turned me against her. I'm like, oh. You know what I always find weird while you're searching for that fact? Now, when you're watching cartoons and then you would see different races in cartoons and then you see the behind the scenes and they'll show you that the person that did the voice was actually the same color as the cartoon. Have you seen those ones where they're like, not in The Simpsons? Yeah, in The Simpsons, obviously the same person doing the voices for everything. Yeah, a white person doing that. Wait, but yeah, what you're saying, you see that they're the same, like race. Yes, as the character that they're portraying, right? But then you watch the news here. When I watch the news in America, I'm like, if I close my eyes, I wouldn't be able to tell if the person reading the news is black or white. Because. And then when. Because it's almost like the female black news readers in American television, if their skin color would change, they would be a white person. There's nothing. No, I think because in America, in the 70s, 80s, if you're a black person, a person of color who wants to do the news, you have to sound a certain way. And look, even like black women could not wear their hair in a natural state because they felt threatened or they're like, that's not proper. Your hair, the way your hair naturally goes there, that's not proper. You got to put it in front. Which is crazy. They just passed a law in New York City, 2019, that the Crown Act. Which is? Which is women, you cannot fire people because of. Because of their natural hair. So if you come to your work with an Afro, the way your hair goes out your head, they can send you home and fire you. The thing you're talking about with the news is like a real thing. There's a fascinating story about how the voice of the black news anchor in America had to change over time because at some point, the news was completely like split. Right. So you had like black television anchors and black news. And we talked about it with Roy because you know, his dad was like heavily involved in radio and news in the US. And black anchors sounded like the way they spoke like in the streets and in their lives. And then at some point when the lines got blurred, when things came together, when they were integrated and stuff like that, now you had to sound quote unquote professional. And that's when this started like, you know what I mean? And by professional, they mean white. Yeah, no, no, no. That's what I'm saying. Oh, it freaks me out. No, no, no. When I watch two news anchors, female, black, Black and white. And they go, I'm like, you also, it's exactly that. It's a specific, yeah, it's a specific type of, and early today, many were asking, well, I'm like, what is the people on the street who didn't have this to say? That's like a specific, yes. But, but, but not just in news, but radios has certain voice. Hey, you listen to hot 105.1, the light hour. We play all the light songs. When you dance, you light on your feet. Yeah. There's this one, there's one, there's one thing my ear can get used to is drive time and breakfast, New York radio. There's too many people talking and they're talking too fast. It's only because ADD has not got to your country yet. That's all. Once you guys get ADD. Can I tell you, you just put one of the funniest thoughts in my head. ADD has not come to your country yet because now I just pictured a shipment of ADHD coming to Africa and the Africans not knowing what's about to hit them and the ship come. Guys are in the harbor there. Then it's like, Abijo, have you, have you got the consignment? Have you got the shipping forms ready? Yeah, we've got them here. There are a few things coming in. There's a big shipment of ADHD. ADHD. What is that? I don't know what it is, but we are going to inspect the container. They say it's quite dangerous. Okay, let me know when it arrives. And the container comes in. It's like, okay, are you ready? Opens the door. Hot 105 there, friend. All the news in the break is, oh, it's a prank. I'm pranking my mom. Fuck you. I'm sorry about that. Abijo, 105. I'm like, I'm not sure if it was a jingle or a prank. You're such an asshole. Here's your mom. I'm talking at a 40. I'm K4. 105, 6FM, 2501. And the 501 interstate is traffic and there's a black guy in a car. American radio has to keep up with the personalities out there. That's how they keep them in tune. Oh, damn. Speaking of which, did you, by the way, did you, were you ever diagnosed with ADD as a kid? I diagnosed myself and I fixed it. Fuck medicine. Fuck therapy. I got this. Why are you talking about ADHD? Like you're talking about scrambled eggs. I want to fry an egg. Can you? Yeah. Can I explain? If you know. You can explain. If you know you got a problem, right? Once you know the problem, then you, then you, then you know what the solution, or you can figure out what the solution is. This I agree with. But how old were you when this was happening? If that theory was true, Jeffrey Dahmer would have killed one person only. No, but he didn't, maybe he didn't know he had a problem. That's what Will's saying. When the fridge started smelling. No, that's a different problem. No, but, but there's another. I get what Will's saying. He's saying, do you acknowledge that you have a problem? But there's another part to that. Okay. Once you acknowledge you have a problem, do you want to fix it? Yeah. Powerful. Yeah. If you don't want to fix it, then like a crackhead knows, you know what? I do smoke crack. You're right. There's many of my, there's many, there's many of my problems I don't want to fix. Cause the other day I looked at my bookmarks on eggs and I was like, I don't want to fix this problem. You know what I used to do? I used to walk like this. What do you call when you, when your feet walk like this? Duck feet. Duck feet. I used to walk like that. Yeah. Right. Why? That's, I just, I had my legs. That's horrible for boxing. No, no, that's when I was little. Well, not little, when I was in the high school and stuff. And then I'm like, why am I? And I wonder, I caught my, do you ever catch yourself in one of those outside mirrors? Oh, where the glass. Yeah. And I just saw myself waddling. And I'm like, ugh. Did you stop? No wonder I ain't got no girlfriends. I wouldn't date me. And so what I did was I forced my feet to walk pigeon toed. Right. Every time I, oh, let me walk pigeon. Eventually my body just fixed the difference, adjusted to the difference. And I just started walking regular. I'm now thinking of all the people who are on that street with you. When that happened, that must've been like watching a Kaiser Soze moment. Cause now imagine you were walking against, you were walking down the street. You see this young man waddling. He's in front of you. Waddling, waddling, waddling, waddling. He turns, looks in the mirror. You don't know what's happening. Turns and then turns back. And all of a sudden changes his body and then walks the other way. You would be like, I just witnessed something. I don't know what crime I witnessed, but something has happened here. And then eventually when I kept doing that, my body just remember, Hey, this is. Wait, wait, wait. So, okay. So you fixed your duck walk. You fixed your ADD. How did you fix your ADD? What did you do? So, so I learned to just look the person in the eye and, and either look the eyes or watch them out. Where am I looking at the eyes of your mouth right now? Where am I doing? I can't tell. Exactly. So you can't. So, but now, so it forced me to like, listen to your words. So you just forced yourself to do this? I just forced myself. I kept forcing myself. What did you do before that? I just used to be like this. Yeah. Nah, man. What the hell is going on with this? Oh, wow. And so you were just like, I'm going to look. I'm going to stay focused. But how did you know that you weren't looking at them? Yeah. No, I wasn't. Yeah. Did someone tell you? Because I was all over here. And I'm like, and I'll be like, wait, what happened? Repeat that again. Repeat that again. You know what I'm saying? So I, no, no, no. I was paying attention, but what the hell is this? Is this real? I was just all over the place. This man is a miracle of science right here. I think, I think you create a problem instead of curing it. I think the best, you could fix anything if you, if you mentally force yourself. Yeah, but the best part about having a conversation with someone is not hearing everything they have to say. This is not your girlfriend. Some of my best friends, I only take my 30%. If I were to consume 100%, Will. What would happen? Exactly. I wouldn't know because why would I be like, why would, my man, you don't know my friends. I can't be 100% with my friends. You know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't believe you. If, no, I wouldn't believe what Will is telling us. If you also hadn't lost like a hundred pounds. But that's the one I'm telling you. No, no, no, no, no. I'm on your side. Don't fight with me. I'm saying I'm on your side here. I'm saying, I used to wear a t-shirt. I used to wear 220 pounds. Yes. Another thing about, I used to wear 220 pounds, right? Why is that figure so round? Why wasn't there 122 to one point? No, no, that's the last time. Because when I weighed myself, I remember like, oh damn. And then, and then, you know, you just take it as life. And then a couple of things made me change my ways. One day I was, I was, they, they booked me at this show at this, in, in Colorado. They put me in a nice suite, nice suite, big ass mirrors everywhere. And when I got there, whenever I go with nice hotels, like where I'm on tour with Trevor, don't ever come in my room and just barge in. You got to make sure you're not. I just, I just like to walk around naked. You know, I make some calls. Hey girl, you, you wish you was here. Look, you know what I'm saying? Walk around naked. So I'm, I'm in the bathroom, brushing my teeth, right? I looked in the mirror, a dude, someone broke into my room, right? And they, and they, and they're naked and backing up. It was, it was me. I didn't recognize my back fat. And I was like, it was so shocking to me that I couldn't, I looked like an old man. Huh? No, I'm not, I'm not hairy. Okay, sure. But it was huge. It was like, I look like a lump of clay. Ah, nah. And then I remember I went and I just took one of those thick ass robes. I could, I couldn't bear nobody to look, you know, look at me. Oh, shady. Not even a mirror. And then, um, I just sat down watching TV. I remember, I can't remember the sports player, but some sports, but we're still playing sports in there. Cause I kept saying, I'm getting old. you know, I'm not 30. I'm just old age. I looked at this and it was like, Hey, he's, he's 50, 50 something and he's still in great shape. And that's what made me change. I'm like, damn, it's just, it's all in your head. Like you, you are what you, what you want to be. So from that moment on, I decided to change my life, you know, change your foods, start exercising and, and change the way I think. It's more, it's really the way you think, right? Like thinking first, and then you apply. That's why I tell people, if you want to lose weight, what do you really want? Right? If you want to be unhealthy, that's fine. That's your life. It's your life. But understand being unhealthy come with consequences. And you have to be okay with that. Diabetes, hypertension, cancer, your body parts might stop, stop working. You have to be okay with that. Cause you, this is the choice you made. But if you also, you want to be healthy, understand that is a heart of old. Like, you know what? I, I'm, I'm just, it's just like when you go to, to college, you're not going to ace all you, you're going to have to study. You're going to have to work hard. You're going to have to do everything. Or if you're in a relationship with a partner, it takes work because being, going healthy, you have to understand you've been eating a certain way your whole life. You used to taste, you used to certain smells, you certain textures. So you have to give all that up to go on this healthy, healthy path and understand it won't be easy. Just like when you ride a bike, when you first rode a bike, you fall. You don't take the bike and put it away. No, you get back, get back on and ride again, get back on and ride again until you're like, I got this now. Now you, now you're riding with no hands. Same thing with health. When you want to be healthy, you just got to give you, give yourself time. Understand that you're going to fail. Understand that. You know what? You know what? I'm going to, but this is the road I want to be. I want to be healthy. And about me, it's not about, I don't want to be a hundred years old. I don't want to be 90, but I want to, I want to, I want to be today. I want to live today. That makes sense. I want to be healthy now. So when you're a lump of clay, a hundred years or 10 years, or even two years from now, but today I want to be, I want to be, you know what I'm saying? Wait, wait. So you were in a suite. doing comedy and on tour with back fat looking like a lump of clay brushing your teeth you were still that guy speaking to a girl speaking to a girl no no wait weren't you happy that day not when I saw that fat person no no wait before you judged yourself right weren't you weren't you happy that day not there was always low self esteem there was always a sense of I'm not but when you walk you're massive you're sweet you're walking in there you even took off your clothes because I don't see you called girls because my mind is not on me understand my mind is on other things but then when you when your mind when I start focusing on me then I get depressed I ain't nobody my comedy sucks I'm fat man so what you're saying is when you avoided yourself I avoided myself yeah life was good yeah but that mirror made you unable to avoid yourself in that moment exactly and you decided this is what I need to change yeah how long did it take you what was like the first it took it took some years because changing the way you think could take a while man it took me another two years to like to you know I had I realized it wasn't fast it wasn't quick diets it wasn't let me just give this up and no I had to change the way I think yeah and then I applied then after you after you accept you know what I want to be healthy change the way I think then I had to I had to learn about health read books watch documentaries when you when people when people go to war right they just go in there they learn about how much how much airplanes they have how much ships they have how many how many discs they have and then they have a plan okay we're going to enter here because there's no people there's nobody in in part level C so we're entered to level C same thing with the war on fat you got you need the war on fat now yes with yourself with myself in America it's the war on fat you know but the war on fat I hope this podcast doesn't reach people where there's starvation the war on fat the war on fat this war this war on fat the war on fat is an individual war it's not a nation war because America Trump makes it seem like it's a war hey we got a war on fat no it's a because companies want you to be fat but you know what let me wait let me ask you a question let me ask a question there are people who lost weight the hard way and I've heard a lot of those people have resentment towards people who like take Ozempic do you do you have that I don't because why you care about somebody else what they they they chose it's almost like I hate this person because they're Catholic or I hate this person because they chose to date an Asian person or I hate this but why do you care about what other people are doing with their lives okay so you don't you don't have you don't have any of that affecting your life no no I'm just asking you don't have any of that no not at all so if you see them lose the weight because of Ozempic you're just as happy hey but but that's why I say you're just happy that they lost the weight that's why I say when you the number one choice what do you what do you want not what other people want for you not what your parents want for you or your girlfriend or boyfriend what do you want for you how do you say your boyfriend that looked at me because you wear scars oh man can I ask you something did you did you did you always have this growing up were you always strong willed no no no no that no I was very weak weak minded and more of a follower duck feet duck feet pimples and stuff whoa whoa whoa pimples doesn't have anything to do with your personality I love how you threw pimples in pimples is part of a poor diet no man Will come on man you see you're gonna start with that conspiracy shit now you see now you see what Will just did there he just threw it in he's like man no man my mind was weak when I was young man I had no confidence and you know and I was just a follower and I had pimples man skittles yo you can't control whether or not you have acne that's not in your control it's in the diet no Will he grew up as a kid with acne I will say this one thing to help you oh no I mean to add on to what you're saying is a lot of the time a lot of the time people have done a thing like that but they don't either they don't remember it or they don't reference it what do you mean wait what repeat that last part so like in a person's life yeah there was a time where they had to do a thing where they had to like do it for themselves yeah you know where they had to do it themselves yes do it with themselves they had to fix something in their life whatever it may be right and then then they do it other people didn't tell them to do it and sometimes it's not even a like a negative thing it's just like a thing where they used self-discipline or self-will yeah you know when someone is like I just you miss people a person not overweight or anything but you'll be like how come you started jogging then they were just like I just started it was hard I started waking up at five why I don't know I just but it was hard and I did it based on myself you know then when they take on other challenges they they forget to reference that because you saw like dipping in the same pool of oh they forget to tell other people of their own thing that they now have a new skill or muscle that they had to develop from a certain space and they don't of their own thing so let's say you learned to play you learned to like your thing the duck feet thing you fixed it yourself or the weight thing then you decide to do another thing if this another person they forget to reference that they once did that thing it's like we want we want they come out perfect after the results no so like when you won a championship and you do another tournament you must be like I won the previous championship yeah what I'm saying is like if someone learns how to play the piano then they go on to play guitar they need to reference the fact that at some point they had learned how to play piano because that thing they accumulated the skill yeah that thing sort of directly ties to this next part of it as opposed to it being an independent but not the not the actual activity yeah not the act the willpower the willpower of the act that's what I mean they built it from somewhere yes because they'll be like I don't have the willpower to do this then you go like surely not surely in your life there's a thing where you just in the course of life just like in the course of life people have a bad time people have a good time you know like life offers things in the course of your life just because you're a human being there was a time when of your own volition you did a thing when you now need to do another thing of your own volition remember that you are doing this for the second time that's just how life is the second time where you're like I need to do this thing I can guarantee you it is not the first time you need to use that self discipline yes you definitely definitely definitely have done it once before and you gotta reference that but pimples is not one of them I'm just gonna go back pimples is 100% not right but you know the the same thing with acne is not with weight when you tell people that you've lost weight that have never seen you fat yes you're wasting your time this is true completely because we don't know how to reference that but I'll tell you this will you give us will you give us a picture that we can put up for the people no no you don't need a picture just give us a picture so we can put it up for the people and you must put it upside down for more for more not upside down but you must start it upside down and then it must rotate for more effect okay cool I'm down and wear more tank tops just to show us what you've done with your life also my about the willpower thing right with your family and friends that's what we're going to call this episode willpower get it because your name is Will thank you I love doing that to Will because he does that to us all the time and when you do it back to him no look at him he looks at you like how can you live like this so what made my journey a little bit harder right the people I surround myself with whether they want you to be fat or they they don't like black community think if you're not if you're skinny you're sick something's wrong with you right but that's where it came from it came from a real place though yeah yeah what do you mean well I mean for almost the entire history of existing if you were super skinny it means things were really tough for you and life was not good right but not super skinny just small even then skinny like things were not good for you right do you know what I mean skinny is a byproduct of lack so now now that we reversed it you think now this is gonna be the thing the thing like you're really big it is no it is I actually think it is I do think I think if you look at society now versus then and obviously it's different depending on where you are in the world yeah but certain body shapes and types hold a completely different connotation depending on where you are yeah so now especially because of Ozempic and these things now I think people who are heavier are , are going to be seen as being poorer or of that class yes because they eat junk because no because before it was like a willpower thing oh you you gained oh you you're overweight it means that you don't work out or you're struggling but now it's like oh you don't want to take Ozempic you don't want to take these drugs it also means you can't afford them probably so I think to your point that's that will become very quickly a signifier of how people see your place in society like what is your station in life they'll go it'll become class yeah it becomes it literally becomes that like when we grew up right the skinnier people you were immediately like just looked at as things are not if you're like dad or uncle were skinny yeah they're not doing well yeah that's why in Haiti back in the days men used to like the bigger women because bigger women meant two things they were healthy and they could cook oh there you go yeah so has that changed or is it like stayed the same now it's changed now they want they want the small ways for the big butt bumps oh now they want Instagram essentially they want the things okay when was the last time you went to Haiti by the way how often do you get back Last year, two years ago? What's it like when you go? That long? It's nice. Well, the Port-au-Prince is not doing well. Is that the part that's overrun by gangs? Okay. Yeah. So imagine like America, New York City is overrun by gangs. But the rest, Miami is still good. Oh, okay. Boston is still good. Yeah, when you see it in the news, it's like Haiti as a whole is all just a war zone. But if you look at the news for a long time in the 80s, 70s, 80s, 90s, America, these countries, they won't show you the bad part. They won't show you the bad part. They won't show you, oh, but if you fly into this part of town, the sun is out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what I was saying was when I get around my friends, I got teased a lot. Like, look at Will eating trees and leaves and stuff. And, you know, shout out to Keith Robinson, who always teased me. Hey, Keith. Keith teased everyone. I had to either, A, stop hanging out with my friends, or B- This is when you were becoming healthy. When I'm becoming healthy, when I'm on my path to a healthy lifestyle. I had to just eat before I got around them so I didn't feel, you know, pressure to eat. And then once I became, once I got comfortable and didn't care what they said and didn't let that affect me, then I became more of a, like, a role model to some, inspiration to some. You've definitely been a role model and inspiration to me. I'm going to put it out there. If you made a website and you need a testimonial, I'll come on there. Yeah. The amount of times, can I tell you something? The amount of times I have not eaten something because of Will. Like, you are responsible for 50 pounds I do not have on my body. That's a lot. That's good. The amount of times Will has gone, man, you don't need that when we're on the road. Man, you don't need that. Right. Yeah. He'll eat it later. That's weird, isn't it? This may or may not be true. No, but I'm serious. You know why? Because you've never judged me. I don't see you judge people. No. But you get into, like, a very inspirational. It's not a judge. No, Will gets very, like, he gets very motivational. Like, Will will be, like, and then he'll start telling you about, like, the benefits of omega-3s and fatty acids in fish and why you should move to fish and you need this in your body. And then he'll, like, squeeze, he'll take, like, a piece of steak from your plate. Then he'll squeeze. Then the fat comes out. Then he's like, he's like, this fat, this go to your heart, man. This go to your heart. And then he puts it back down. And then he, like, you're going to eat that? And you're like, no, I'm not going to eat that anymore. You know why you should do also? I was a big fan of this guy. No, he does. It's a good thing. But it's when Will gets into, like, healthy food mode, it's one of the best shows you'll ever watch in your life because he's so evangelical about it. You see why I listen to 30% of what my friends say? You see what? When you get down. Sheldon, what happens? Like, I'm watching Telemundo. But why am I watching this storyline? Why? So I used to do little tricks, right? So one of the tricks I used to do, I love cake, right? I used to love cake. So I do this. You used to? Yeah, I used to love cake. I would eat two bites and throw it in the garbage. And people are like, you're just wasting food. You're throwing away food. I'm like, yeah, either I throw that away or I throw this away. I'd rather throw that away. That make sense? No, that doesn't make sense. There were kids in Africa. Yeah. Okay, I'll mail it to them. There were kids in Africa who didn't have cake. And we're those kids, Will. And I wish that I was them. Because they never, you know, they're skinny and nice and healthy. So wait, so why would you, I don't understand. So you did that. Because I eat that while I'm getting the high from my dad. And then I get rid of it because I got the fix. Yeah, psychologically you're showing yourself. Okay, okay, so you would go like, I may not be able to resist eating a cake. But I cannot finish the cake. Yes. And it's better than nothing. It's better than eating a whole cake. Okay. I like this. Now this explains why I see why you're like, I see now why you're a boxer. And also this is like, this is the guy. This is like, you know. Also, we always want the best girlfriend or the best boyfriend or the best partner or the best husband, best wife. But we never offer the best of us. Wait, can you just gender this please? Okay, the best girlfriend and the best boyfriend, right? Yeah, yeah. We offer this person that don't want to eat healthy. This person that don't want to exercise. That don't want to take their career seriously. Damn, that's deep. Don't want to. So we like, hey, you better take this. You better accept me as is. But you better be on your P's and Q's. Here's a question, Will. You were so obese. And I'm not saying. How obese was he? No, no. You said 220. Every time we turn around, they give him a welcome back party. Oh, man. The way you said. The way you said it. Were you obese? Or just fat? No, I was just, yeah. Oh, I don't know what 220 is because I work in kilograms. 100 kilos. You were 100 kilos. I dropped 30 kilos. Okay, 100 kilos is also. Yeah, but 100 kilos for his height. Yes, Reddit's about to say for height, it depends. And this is an honest question. Yes. Is that you got shocked by the 100 kilos. I got shocked? Shocked. By seeing yourself at 100 kilos. Okay. As for you, you said it. Okay, okay. You were naked in the hotel room. Right. Speaking to a girl. Fetching your teeth. Let me explain to you so you can visualize what I'm saying. Maybe we don't want to. We want to visualize this. Go, go, go. We're so used to seeing the front. Yeah. By mirrors, pictures, all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We never see the other part. Why do you want to see the other part? Hold up, Hammer. I'm trying to explain to you. Right? He's sorry. So, the other part is the part that you don't see. And we never see the front. Let's say you remember yourself from high school. Right? I'm not sure you were skinny in high school. I was 130 in high school. Right? I used to see myself skinny. And let's say I couldn't see for like 20 years. And I'm like, whoa, who is this person? That's why I'm talking about my back fat. I saw my back a long, long time ago. And you could see the blades. You know, your shoulder blades. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to always put my finger in my back and stuff. I also used to be able to touch my back. I can't even do it now. And then when I saw. When I saw that image, it shocked me. It shocked me. It's almost like, you know, this person who I haven't seen in a long time. And I'm seeing him now. I'm like, wow. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It does make sense. That's what I assumed that you said. And that's why you need to repeat it. Now, that was what my assumption was. I fully got what you said. Wonderful communicator. I was on board with what you said. I thought about your back. Yes. That's how we feel about Dave's comments. No, that's what I'm saying about the back. As we see them and we're like, ah! I'm saying about the back thing. Yes. What is your recommendation for people who don't have that shock moment? Do you see what I'm saying? A lot of people are living, but life does not shock them hard enough that they can make this huge change. So then I would venture to say, I mean, I don't know the percentage, but a huge amount of people are not going to have the shock moment. But if they. If they did what you say, their lives would improve. But without. How are they going to do it without a shock moment? Well, okay. Let me be a little bit more clear. So that was one moment, right? And that was enough to get me depressed for a long time. Then I had another moment. I was dating this girl, right? Tall, mild girl. And I did a show, right? You know I like to wear my tank tops, right? Because I had nice arms. And I did good. I got off stage. I'm like, good show. Good show. I got to her. She said, either wear a shirt or wear a tank top without the stomach. You ever someone tell you something and you. Wait, what? Because there's so much. She chose to tell you that after the show. Yeah, but you got. ADD's come around. But that's the one that stuck. And I know how to go. Because I'm getting all these high praises. Good show. Amazing. Blah, blah, blah. Wear a shirt or wear a tank top without a stomach. I'm expecting a compliment, but I'm not expecting. And then it hit me like. The only thing I can say in my head was, but you're having sex with me. You're having sex with this. But now that's even. And another thing I learned about women, women will date a dude that they're not attracted to because they find other things attractive about them. And that's how we survived for so long. You understand what my question is? K-105-FE out. No, you're just saying you had a. You're just saying you had a sex in shock. Moment, which is not helping me, which is not helping us who are not having shock moments. I know, I know. I'm saying what are we. Where is that woman at? Will is saying. We're in the turn. That was my vibe. So let me explain. Yes, we're saying, do we have to wait to rock bottom? How can we, a huge amount of people, because everyone in the world. The sob story you're telling. Okay, I got it. Everyone is telling it on the internet. Everyone is telling us. Okay, I got it. Everyone is telling us about rock bottom. If you want to get that shock moment, send a picture of yourself in your underwears to a modeling company. And say, hey, would you hire me? That's. And why won't you? Huh? No, no, I'm saying, and give a. And why won't you? And please give details on why you won't. Or act like, hey, look, this is my friend. They want to be a model. You know what? I hope people with low self-esteem are not listening to this episode. He asked for it. No, but you see what I'm saying? No, I'm asking a reasonable thing. I'm saying the world is. Yes, but what I'm saying is. The world is full of shock moments. Yes, but what I'm saying is this, though. Yeah. It seems strange to me that you would ask the person who needed a shock moment what people should do if they don't have a shock moment. Because he's told us that. He achieved this through shock moments. So I wouldn't assume that he knows what to do without the shock moments. Okay, let's just place this all there. No, but maybe the real shock moment was not seeing your back, was that woman being mean to you. Wait, can I say something else? No, you can't say anything else. Hold on, we're done. This is it for you. Dave, you know how many people. You're a photo prince right now. You can't be touched. You know how many people have shock moments but still don't do anything about it? Is that a shock moment? Yeah, then it's not. Yes! You know how many people hit rock bottom and they still consider it to be a small crack? Or lose everything, their house, everything, their kids, their wife, and still go gamble as soon as they get another dollar? Opening a house is not fun. Yes, but also because quitters never win. Yes. To those people who have hit rock bottom, people who have lost their houses, taken crack, all of it, as they said, dust yourself off and try again. What I'm saying to you, Will, forget these guys. Quitters never win. Forget these guys. You know what, though? Forget these guys. What I'm saying to you. You never quit being a winner. Oh, man. So, I'm joking. You know I'm joking. I'm joking. Don't go anywhere, because we got more What Now? after this. What I've always appreciated about you is you are able to choose a path and then go just, you know, straight down that path. You know, you really are strong-willed. Like, your name. Where does Wilner come from? What does Wilner mean? Wilner. Yeah, what does it mean? Do you know? Look at that, Dave. Wilner has to mean something. You're a man on the street. You've been your whole life now with Contra. He doesn't. We don't want to surprise you, but like. Pull it. Pull it up, Dave. No, so here's what I'm saying. I can't believe it. I can't believe it. Hey, pull it up, Dave. Who's your tech guy? And let's go to the monitor. Dave? Oh, wow. Look at this. This is beautiful. So this is amazing. So I'm seeing here. The surname. Well, I guess it was a surname, so I guess you just have it as a name. But it is a German and Jewish name, which in Yiddish means Wilner Wilner. And it generally means. Resolute person. Protector is what it means. Which is what you're currently doing. Yeah. You're resolute. And you're trying to protect us from our worst self. Can I ask you a question? I'm not saying this to be facetious. Facetious. She lives in my building. Facetious. Facetious, get down here. You got a package. Oh, you see what I did to him? You see now? I told you. I felt sorry for you. Not anymore, Hammer. So where do you think we find the balance in life? Between living life optimally and living life enjoyably. I'll tell you why I asked this question. Do you know Brian Johnson? The guy, Don't Die. He's that dude who's doing all the experiments on himself. Oh, the one on Netflix. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The one who looks like an alien. That guy. And he's like. He has scientists take his. Draw his blood like multiple times a day. He went. So the long version. The short version of his story is he made a lot of money. He made a lot of money in the tech sector, I believe. Found himself very depressed, almost suicidal. Was overweight, really struggling in life. Something switched for him and he was like, I've got to like fix this. Dedicated himself and his life to science. He's like, I want to figure out how to be healthier and live better. Live longer. Yeah, and live long. But the main thing was not like live longer. It's sort of like live healthier to Will's point. Right? So he starts embarking on these experiments, assembles a team, crazy amount of scientists. They draw his blood. They run tests on him. They try and understand the effects of everything. Food, alcohol, sleep, exercise, et cetera. And they always try and like figure out a more optimal way to do things. Right? Now, I actually like a lot of what Brian's doing because he clearly says that, look, this is not the answer. It's just what we're finding with myself. Right? And a lot of the things he offers you are actually quite. He goes like, here's what we found is most impactful. With sleep, you know, and he'll be like, this is what's most impactful with working out. This is what is most impactful. All of this stuff is great. But then I bumped into Brian at some event that was happening in Sweden. Illuminati. Okay. We just call it The Hang. Then it's like 11 p.m. at night. There's music playing and everything. Then I said to Brian, isn't it past your bedtime? Because he goes to bed at like 5 or 6 p.m. That's when it's optimal. Then he goes, yeah, but I mean, because I'm out now, I'm doing this work. Then I said to him, and this was an honest question. I said, do you ever wonder how much your life is now becoming the antitheses of what you're sort of saying? Because like, you're having fun. You've even said it. You're having fun right now. Right? The reason you're having fun is because you're going against optimal. You're not doing what you're supposed to be doing. Sleeping at the perfect time is optimal. Sleeping alone is optimal in many ways. Is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Haven't you seen those things where they go like you, it's like- Sleeping alone is more optimal. For many metrics, not for all. Okay, yeah, I get you. But for your temperature, sleep disruptions, all of these things. That's why I didn't like, you know, when you go to Germany and some Scandinavian countries, when you go to a hotel, they don't have one duvet cover. They have two, even on a- Double bed. On a king bed or whatever, it's two. You would imagine, just quickly, you'd imagine that someone would have developed the technology where you start together and then through the course of the night, the beds split. That's actually not a bad idea. Or you can hire someone to do it while you guys are sleeping. Sorry, sorry. So what we were chatting about is, I said, you're having fun, right? And he said, yes. And I said, do you acknowledge that a lot of this fun that you're having, it's not ideal, and it's not optimal? And he's like, yeah. And then I said to him, could we say that your life is more fun than when you were only doing the experiments? And he said, yes, it is. And then I said, now, how do you find the value of that in life? And that's the question I'm sort of posing to you as I go, we can not eat anything unhealthy. We can not do anything unhealthy. We can, but yo, man, like monkeys get high sometimes. You know what I mean? Dolphins get high. Monkeys get high because of us. No, no, no, no, no, Will. What are you talking about? The stuff with dolphins? Do you hear about the sharks that's on cocaine? There's a lot of, yes, there's a lot of cocaine in the water. There's a lot of fish that they find in the cocaine. Use elephants with the marula. I'm saying the marula. Yeah, elephants get drunk on the marula fruit. Oh, okay, okay. So there's a fruit that we have in South Africa, and when it ferments, the elephants will purposefully wait for it to ferment, and then they come back. And then they consume them, like copious amounts. It's called bootlegger elephants. And then they get drunk. Did that elephant go home and beat his kids and his wife? So what I'm saying is, where do you, or how do you find the balance? Wait, so how did your, the story with your friend end? So you said to him right now? No, he just acknowledged. He was like, yeah, he's like, you make a good point. He said, I, because I said, in all of your tests, you are able to measure the impact that these activities have on your life because you can't track them. But I was like, but you can't track the value of community. Fun. You can't track the value of fun. You can't, like whenever I see those stories about people who've lived beyond a hundred, they'll always go into like, oh yeah, they walk a lot and they eat well. And they eat the same shit. But you know what they also all have? They have community. They have a good time. They have friends. They all seem like they also lived like, a full life. So what I'm, what I'm asking you as well, not even challenging you, what I want to understand is like, how do you find the balance between living your life fully optimally? Right. And then also like indulging when you, when you want to. Okay, I'll tell you this. I started noticing the small things in life that's enjoyable. The stuff that I, I would pass by. Yeah. Whether it's sit down and really listen to that song that I claim I like. Listen to the lyrics. Try to pick out the bass. Try to pick out the, the drums or this is because you can't have cake. No, but, but they, we, we, we so quick to live like this as opposed to sit down and you know, or like when I, now when I go for a walk, I'm noticing things about the street, about buildings, about people, you know, you find other, I've, I've been finding, obviously not for anybody. I've been finding other, other things that I enjoy, that I, I like, and, or, you know, I appreciate, I'm like, wow, life, life is crazy in a good way. Life is, there's so much to life. Yeah, that's how I live my life. But when you, when you, look, I, I, I'm not judging anybody at all. You know, that's the, that's the no judge. But when you drink or you take drugs, you, you, all that's a blur now. Man, you crazy. Get out of here with this. This guy's gonna come and tell us about noticing. Man, you, you crazy and you're out of your mind. There's people who will go and do mushrooms. They'll see more than you can ever like just see. Why, why you say what drugs did I? because I do believe some drugs, I think marijuana is healthier for you than cigarettes. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Or health care. So you're not saying just everything. I'm just saying hardcore drugs are hardcore. You've never drank, though? I don't drink, no. At all? You've never touched alcohol? I started drinking red wine when they said red wine is good for your heart. And I started drinking a cup a day. Then I started, I'm like, oh, you got to drink. Then I found out red wine has resveratrol in it. Resveratrol is the closest thing to the front of a ute. So it slows down your aging process. But the amount you got to drink, the amount of alcohol you got to drink, red wine, you got to get that. To get that. So they make them as supplements because the inside of grapeseed leaves, you know, grapeseed, grapes, the inside of the skin, that's where they extract the resveratrol. And then I now just take supplements. I don't need to drink red wine. So when Will goes to a restaurant with you, he's insufferable. He'll be like, would you like anything to drink? And then Will's like, I'll just take the glass. I brought my resveratrol myself. And the sommelier comes. But you know, that was another thing. I enjoy water now. Like, not just drinking for thirsty, but tasting the water. Because our taste buds become so impaired and numbed and layers and layers. And water is just, wah, water. But when you, I stopped. Do you believe in vaccines? Do I believe? Like Santa Claus? Do you think people should get vaccinated? I don't know enough about, I'm not saying, I'm not saying yes or no. Hear me out. Hear me out. You're about to call me of no vaccine. No, I just wanted to know. I just wanted to know who I'm dealing with. I don't believe vaccines help. And yes, they fix, they help save maybe mankind from dying out. Okay, okay. No, that's fine. That's what I was asking you. But same thing with like a car. Car is, you could take it from, from A to B. Or a car could also have killed people. People use cars in the wrong way. So people probably making vaccines just for the money. No, no, no, no. That's all I, no, I was trying to understand like who I'm dealing with. No, no, no. There's no such thing as all vaccines are bad. No, no, that's, that's what I was, I was just waiting to see. So what happened to that girlfriend that told you tank top or polo neck? The one who said, yo man, decide. We actually, we actually still took, still cool. Are you still dating? No, no, no. In fact, in fact, one of, one of the reasons why we probably stopped dating is cause, it's going to sound crazy. Say it, Will. Say it, Will. Say it. So, so on my path to be a healthier lifestyle, I, I started cutting down on sex. Right? But I feel like just having random sex with random women, not random sex, random sex, random women. Okay. So the sex wasn't random. The women were random. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. It just, and I realized I could just smash myself and then nobody get hurt. Rock and roll. Rock and roll. Will. Listen here. Rock and roll. Ladies and gentlemen. Wait. Hold on. He killed the ADD. Help me out. Can I just say, what a journey. You'll find me at the back. Can I just say, ah, ah, ah, ah. Can I just say. Smash your, for E, knee. You went from, you went from random, no consequence, sex to, I can do this myself. Can I just say. Help me out. Can I just say. We're not talking about chai tea here. Yo, what an emotional, what an emotional journey we've been on. I did not, I, there's no way I thought you were going to say that. Will started, wait, wait. Will. Just, just to catch, if you, if you're just tuning in, you might be wondering what journey we've been on. Will, Will Silvins regaled us with tales of how he found himself unattractive when he saw himself in the mirror from behind and then has now taken us on a journey where he's landed at a place where he was losing so much weight that now I guess you were like, I would hit it from the back. Now, now when I'm trying to solve one problem, you start another one. Wait, no. So now that Will thought up Will. Sorry, there was an in-between, sorry. Which one? No, I'm saying in you took the turn because Eugene asked what happened to that girlfriend. Yes. Yeah, but he's telling us. Yeah, yes, you answered the question not in the way we thought you were going to answer it. He's surprising. Yeah. Oh man. So look. But how did that, do you know, did you tell her that, oh, by the way, I figured out there's a better way. No, so, so, so that was a point in my life is like, I don't like lying, right, to women or to people. If I call you a friend, why should I lie to you? But you know, we lie. But strangers, we don't, you're in there. Yeah, I lie to strangers all day. Okay, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the CVS is that way. Vaccines, they're great. I didn't say that. So it's like, it's like, I feel like we use people just for our fix, for our high, whatever that high is, whether you just want to, you know, and then we use people and then, and then, and especially when you know this person is into you, you know this person wants you like that and yet you still do that to them. You still. Yeah, but that's what random people that are not close to us in our lives are there for. They're Mr. Meeksies. Hey, I'm Mr. Meeksies. And then they show up, they're there to serve a purpose, they're there to serve a purpose, they're there to serve a purpose, and then when they're done, they explode and disappear. Right. The other part of that is strangers. You don't know who, you don't know what kind of stranger that person is. They come knock on your door or they come with a, with some kind of weapon. Like, yeah, you're going to stop avoiding me now. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. First of all, go back, go back, go back. I like what you're saying though. Carry on. Yeah, so you're saying you have this realization. So it's like, it's like, I don't want to. What I want to know is which side of the equation did you feel you were on? Well, okay, let me explain this. Yeah. The amount of level of respect I have for women, right? Strangers or not. It comes from my dad, right? My dad always said that when you got a good woman in your life, make sure you take care of her. Define good woman. Good woman. That's a good woman. Just a good, you know, a good woman. No, I don't. No, I get what you're saying. No, no, no. However you define it. Okay, okay. No, I'm saying however, good for you. Well, there has to be, there has to be a base. What's a good woman to you versus a bad woman? This is not about me, Will. No, not a bad woman versus a good woman. I'm saying what's. No, I wouldn't know. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. You wouldn't know? No, but that's what I'm saying. Will, don't fall into this trap. Okay. Carry on. So my dad always said whenever you have a good woman in your life, right, make sure you always take care of them, pay. Even if they make more money than you, the world treats women like shit for a long time. Either they underpay them or they, when a crime happened, they don't believe them. Or what were you doing there? What were you wearing? So it's like, it's like as a kid, I didn't, I'm like, what is he talking about? And then as I was getting older and watching, and watching, I started realizing, man, we treat women, and women are the nature, they nature this planet. You know, without women, where would we be? You know? So it's like we treat, we treat a group of people this way. Yeah. Mistreat them, underpay them, don't listen to their word, say they talk too much. You know, the whole thing about women talk too much is because in the back of the day, men didn't want women talking. So any little talk, they was talking too much. So now when they get. How long ago was this? As early as 60s, women couldn't talk while a man was talking. You know, women were not allowed to have bank accounts. Women was not, you know, when people say, man, my grandparents, they stayed together forever. Nowadays, they don't do that. You know why your grandmother stayed with your grandfather? Because she had no choice. She had, she had no money. And she left, people looked at her as used goods. I'm going to clip that and just send it to everyone who says, my parents, my grandparents stayed together. That is a perfect clip. Thank you, Will. I'm just going to use that clip and send it to everyone. I'm going to design an AI agent that is going to find people on the internet who say, I'm so proud my grandparents stayed together that I'm going to throw that video of Will. The only reason your grandparents stayed together. Sorry, carry on, Will. And so your grandmother had no choice because a woman, a divorced woman or a mother was looked at as like, oh, you obviously didn't learn your lesson. So women stayed in these shitty relationships and eventually the man came around because he got too old. Oh, then, or the people started noticing so he couldn't be, so then he became a good husband by the time he was 60, 70, 80 years old. So how does this, how does this apply? So by the time you meet your grandfather, you're like, wow, grandfather, and grandmother's nice. Wait, but then how does this apply to you and the girl? Oh, I was getting, so my dad told me, my dad told me like, you know, treat these. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You told us the damn thing. Right? So, so now I'm, I'm getting, I'm realizing, wow, this girl, this girl is a nice girl. Right? The fact that she told that to me in my face told me like, wow, this is a good person. Oh, wow. Nah, bruh. Nah, nah, nah, nah, my friend. Let me explain. All right, all right. Let me explain. Yo, bruh. Whoa, whoa. Let me explain. Yo, my friend. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, my friend. After you've done a gig, you're getting adulation, people are complimenting you on a high note. Will, Will. She just had to tell you. I don't know who this person is. I don't know what your situation was. But let me tell you something now. Shout out to Esther. Let me tell you something now, Will. If you just come off stage and people are high-fiving you, telling you what a great set you've just done, and then you get to the person that you were romantically linked with, then you get ready to give them a high-five, and instead they say to you, either wear a shirt or wear the tank top without the stomach. Will, that, my friend, is not kind. Switch roles. That is not kind. If she was a female comedian and you were a husband. That, Will, is not kind. Oh, her boyfriend? Yo, that is not kind. Let me answer his question about switching roles. We've been treating women like shit forever, so that wouldn't work the other way around. Who's this we? A man can't tell a woman that because we're always shitting on her. Will, Will, Will. Let me address this now. Hold on. Can I get a chance to address this, Hammer? Will. So, there's no right or wrong way to let someone know. There is. Okay, look, to you, look, there's no, maybe she felt like, if I don't tell him now, I'm going to forget. I can't, I can't fault her. You can. I can't fault her when she. Two things can be true at the same time. It's one thing she told me in front of everybody. Hey, hey, where, where should I, where to take that one? She told me that in a private space. Will, Will, I agree with what Eugene is saying. And I think that's, that's very valid and important to remember in life because I think, and this is, forgive me if I speak for you, comrade. I think this, this is something that we generally are all too comfortable with as society. We just swing from one extreme to another. We love it. All good, all bad, all old, all new, all. You're the best. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. So what Eugene is saying is very important. A society dominated and controlled by men could have been responsible for the oppression and subjugation of countless women. This is completely true. And a woman. As a human being and an individual, not representing anyone else of her gender can do something to you who happens to be a man in an unkind way. Both things can exist at the same time. So what we're disagreeing with is we're going, we're not saying women weren't treated better. No, no, no. But we're saying we can't now say this person has an inability to be unkind or be an asshole in a moment because of what has happened to an entire gender. Right. Can I address that? Does this make sense? Yes. Yeah. So that's what we're saying from the telling of your story. Maybe you're not telling the story correctly. I'm just saying to you as an observer of the story, this is what I'm saying. Because I wasn't fully there. Can I address that? Of course you can. I think as human beings, even in like, there's no owner's manual on how to handle a situation or how to live life or how to approach things. There is, my friend. It's called the Bible. All right. You better read it. But there's no owner's manual on how to do things. So we go as we learn as we go for the most part. No, but I definitely think it is. For the most part, we learn as we go. In all seriousness, we teach it to kids for them to become better human beings. We teach what? Lead with kindness. Yes. But okay, okay. Okay. That's like basic, basic. You heard what he said? Yes. You teach it to kids. If you do not know, then how can you teach it? No, no, no. Hold up, Hammer. But every child is taught, please and thank you. That's leading with kindness. Yeah, but if you, okay, not every child. That's your assumption. Not every kid is taught. Almost every kid. Not every kid. Hold up, hold up. There's no child that's raised in the room. What you're doing is, you're doing what? The KKK, they blanket a group of people. This is how they all are. This guy just said, you're doing what the KKK. You just blanket, you just, you just, you might as well join the KKK. Let's get a shot of you cheating, right? He's doing what the KKK did. You're just like, this is what they all do. Will just came with the craziest. Yo, if I'm ever trying to win an argument, I'm going to use Will's tactics on anyone, bro. You try to mess with me. Let me tell you what you're doing, mom. You're doing KKK tactics. You're some all kids. Okay, wait, wait, wait. But we derailed you. What's more important, Will, is so how did the relationship end? What happened? Well, I, so it's two things, right? Yeah, but let's go. What happened? So I wasn't having sex with her. The day she told you where it said. No, no, no, no. Even before? No. No, no. In our relationship, I was avoiding having sex with her. Okay. Right? Because I, I, I, I was so very, I was very religious and stuff. And I was thinking about, you know, saving my, and, and, and, and, and, and then also, but most important, I wasn't sure if I wanted to be in a long term with her. Okay. So that, but, but I knew like, I knew that if I had sex with her, that's like, oh, oh, so what, what, what's going to happen? Let's do what we're doing with this now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm with you. And so I didn't want to have to lie. And then now I had to, because she provided good services to my life. She was honest. She, uh, she made me look good. She gave me some good advice. So I didn't want to lose this friend over sex, over like, oh, nah, I don't want to have sex with her no more. So, so, so you couldn't, did you tell her this? No, no, I didn't, I didn't have that built in me to have that type of conversation. So you didn't want to lie to her, but you didn't want to tell the truth. Uh, yes. Okay. Yeah, because, because, because people like me were looked at as nerds or, or they looked at, oh yeah, he must be gay if he's not doing, dealing with women. So it was like, I didn't know how, I didn't have the skills to know how to, how to express this. Okay. So you were just like, you were just like, it's over. Oh, no, I didn't say it's over. I was like, we, it just kind of faded away and stuff. So she, so she saw you lose the weight. So she was dating you when you were two. By your words, overweight. Yeah. Then you lost the weight and you were like, peace out. No, no, no, no, no. No, I'm saying that's what it like could look like to her. No, no, we broke up before that. Oh, okay, okay, okay. I told, I told you it took me another two years. Okay, got it, got it, got it. Okay, so this happened in the two-year period. So after the 10 top incident, you guys were still together for two years? No, no, no, no. I, I took another two years to change the way I think about. His mindset for food and everything. Okay, so, but how long were you together before you broke up after the 10? Probably a month, a month, two, two, two, three months. And what was the straw that broke the camel's back? We would not, we would, you know, she wanted some penis. And? I, I was like, oh man, I gotta go do a show. She was out of, she was out of stock. Okay, so. Out of stock. Okay, so here, here, here's a woman going, yo, let's hook up. And you keep avoiding the hooking up. Yeah. And then how does that situation come to a head? Like at the end, how does she go? It's one of those things that, so relationships escalates because. They do what? They're more intimate. Huh? Is this like racial? Racial. We need a dictionary. We need a dictionary, by the way. Escalate. Relationships. If I, that's one thing I need is a Will Silvins dictionary. I'm starting to learn that too. Of the, of your words. Which, which one? Because now we just added a new one. Which word did you want? Escalate. Esculate. Esculate. Escalate. Yeah. So they go high. Escalate. Yeah, high. Escalate. Yeah, escalate. What does that say? Esculate. Which I'm going to use, by the way. You know me, I take all of your words, bro. Freaking good. Esculate is not the same thing? No. What does that mean? No. Esculate. Esculate is when somebody goes on an escalator and then ejaculates. That's escalation. I thought you were better than that. I was like, you're not going to do it. Technically, I was on an escalate. Wait. No, escalation. So, yeah. Too much of avoiding. So, usually relationships escalate because you're doing more things together, you're more intimate, more kissing, more. More petting, more hanging out in parks or cooking dinners. So, but when that don't happen, it just kind of, it's just like two ships. They just kind of start floating apart. That make sense? So, that's what. Two ships kind of fall apart. But they didn't collide like, ah, never again. Okay, got it. No, they're just like, hey, I'll talk to you later. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like one of those relationships. Okay. Okay, but wait, here's my thing. It's two months almost of no intimacy. She's asking you. You're coming. You're coming up with excuses. You're doing a gig. You're going away. You don't feel like it. You have a headache. How does that, how does that relationship end? Who sits, who, there's a woman. No one, no one sat anyone down is what he's saying. It's not, it just fades away. Yeah, no one sat anyone down. So, no one, no one called anyone. There's no conversation. Slow fade. It's like when you start dating, but nothing's. It's a slow fade. It's a slow fade. Yeah. It's like, you know, hey, we'll go out next week. But it's not defined. Next week is not defined. Versus if you wanted to go, hey, let's go out Tuesday. Or what you doing Wednesday? Versus, all right, I'll see you next week. We'll hang out, go to the movies. It's like ghosting in a way, but, but a ghost end. But there's no ghost end. No, no, no, no, no. It's not ghosting. I'm trying to explain. Eugene seems to not be getting this idea. No, no, I, I, I, but what I'm trying to say is, if this activity that most people enjoy, men and women enjoy. What's the activity? Sex. Right. If all of a sudden you feel like you don't want to do it with that person, but you don't want to tell them you don't want to do it. It's not that you don't want to do it. What was it? What was it? I, I, I, I was too religious. To do it. Yeah. And I didn't, I didn't have the skill set to tell her that I was into my religion. But you wanted to do it. Yeah. But you didn't want. i do it but i was i didn't look if she was if she was one of these you know how to go like hey i just want to hug butt naked and and and i'm cool with that i'm all right cool let's do that i'll be down with that but you didn't know how to how to um i know how to express no i understand you were dealing with two conflicting issues at the same time one was your your new devotion to religion and then the other one was not new religion was since i was born no but if that's the case then your devotion to it was new yeah that's what i'm saying your new devotion to it how you're willing to commit yourself to it but it's since i was i was little i i got weak yes i had weak moments that's what i'm saying so your new devotion that's what i mean still so your religion did not include you having sex with anyone i i that's what but that's what i'm saying so i'm saying you were not supposed to yeah i want to know what what changed in life what like i i started i started realizing um the religion i was followed was it was all you know wait a religion that tells me i mustn't smash a model some religions don't eat bacon i'm like i've dropped religions for smaller minor minor inferences you only eat fish and eat oh man you had to break up with the model because of religion and then you i didn't break up with her i look i never had experience with relationships so i never really had like i didn't know what to do i just never i just don't want to send you to school no one tell you what to do yeah no no i get it i get it it makes sense it makes sense in in your dad's words was she a good woman yeah she was look 99 of the women that come in my life are good women a lot of women are good women we just we sometimes people not just men people treat a certain person like crap and they they become they they can't take it no more and they and they and they become whatever they become you know but wait so if 99 of the women that you 99 in my life yeah that you were with were good so how many of them percentage was i left behind the one like are still in your life they if they want to be in my life they they welcome to be in my life no no i'm saying in that percentage of 99 of women that were in your life were good how much percent but that's not how life works people come and go in your life constantly like like a ship comes and it sails away like a ship comes and it sails away like a ship comes and it sails away people come and go not in the strength of hummus you know so so i i feel like we don't you shouldn't hoard friendships like your hearts like a hoarder you know saying if it's time for the relationship to go then you know it's fine but there's no hard feelings there's no it's just yeah it's just hey okay but i feel like you ever had you have a friend that you you talk to all the time and then all of a sudden just nothing bad happened and then you're like oh my god i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry you start calling each other lester and then now now you don't even think about it next you know six months you haven't heard from this person but it's not like like wow it just happened naturally it's a it's a time it's a time and a phase in life right yeah everything has a season yeah but that doesn't mean the person is good or bad it's just you know and you don't try hey hey i didn't hear from you last week what happened no it's just it just you know people just life happens people just live in their life willsel vince life happens don't press anything we've got more what now after this you look like life is good right now i do yeah man child should wear the tank top with that stomach no but i'm serious you look you look good right now you've been on the road what you've been doing oh by the way when we was talking about um about what was the line king the the the voice wait when we're standing there no no no no when we're talking about was it racialized oh no we're talking about the newscast yeah yeah hot model flight yeah you know you know who's the king of that who michael jackson what do you mean michael jackson's real hey guys the deep one yeah that's not his real voice yeah yeah his real voice yo yo what's going on yo what's up player what's up player yeah did you ever hear his voice uh so you know where you can hear his real voice in the video game rock um um the one with with uh you can hear rock my you rock my world yeah that in the beginning when he's doing a sketch with chris you know if you didn't say the lyrics there i wouldn't have known what song you were talking about why will is the if you were if you were on a game show with will and will was gonna sing a song and then you would have to guess what the song was you would leave that game show and you would have to guess what the song was and then you would have to guess with less money than you came with in life. I have never seen somebody who has a more. Okay, you know this song? I'm going to say it. I bet you don't know it. Okay, let's go. You, me, needed me. You're just going to end words on a hit list. Horse and carriage. All right, let me sing it. Okay, shout it. You, me, needed me. Horse and carriage. Is that how you say it in Julu? Wait, I don't. I lost more money. You, me, needed me. Horse and carriage. You, me, needed me. Tell me when you give up and then I'll play you the real song. Another end word on the hit list. Horse and carriage. Horse and carriage. I give up. You, me. No, that's not the same song. Let me tell you something. You. You, me. You sing that song. You sing that song so far. You sing that song so far from what it is. That if you released an album. Yes. Rihanna wouldn't sue you. She wouldn't sue you, yeah. The record label would be like, we have no claims on this man whatsoever. You know what she's saying, right? That was not the same song. She's saying, you, me, in this relationship, needed me. Meaning, I'm the one that's keeping this relationship alive. You, me, needed me. Horse and carriage. That's what she's saying. Oh, man. Will. Oh, man, you're my hero, Will. Is it because I'm behind the same pitch? Yeah, that's part of it. That's part of it. You, me. No, no, I do get it. I do get it now. Just an end word on the hit list. No, but. Horse and carriage. When you. I think Trev put it aptly in that you couldn't be sued. Rihanna couldn't sue you. She has no claim against you. Yeah. Nothing. For real. Yeah, you're safe. But it's also quite. Because you. Did you do that intentionally? Do what? I don't think it's possible. Yeah. Basically, he's asking if you jumbled the words up and the tone and the. We're trying to confuse her. Obviously, I'm not that good of a singer. Right? I'm not that good of a singer. What a time to make this confession. After all of that. But you can catch the word. You, me, needed me. Using the end word on the hit list. It's horse and carriage. Can I tell you, I actually like this song. Like, I want this song to exist. I like the singer. That's the song that I want. The song you and I can do without. So my point is, right? My point is. We picked our best parts. You see what it is with friendship? You only take the percentage you want. My point is, when you got to talk like this, the king of that was Michael Jackson, right? Did you see the Michael movie, by the way? I told you I haven't. You're going to take all of us. Remember, you got to convince us. Oh, yeah. I'll take y'all. I'm coming on. Bring your scarf. I'm coming time number seven. That's when I'd like to come. Time number seven. You said you're going to watch it like 10 times. I'll watch it seventh time, please. I want to be the seventh time. Where did you watch it, by the way? I watched it on the east side of Manhattan. Yeah? And 3rd Avenue, yeah. Daytime or nighttime? Nighttime. IMAX. No, I want to stay on IMAX. Oh, we should go stay on IMAX. Is the acting good? Acting is so good. Yeah, but I've seen reviews that go. But he looks like him, don't you? Can I say something that's not a spoiler? Yeah, go. We know what happens in the story, so I don't think you can spoil the movie. So people are upset that they don't have the accusations in there. Yeah. They forget the accusations didn't come into the mid-90s. Oh, so the movie doesn't cover. The movie starts when he was a kid and up until early, early, early 90s. In his prime. Right? So it's like. It's like no one was. Yeah, they were saying, yeah, he's a little, you know, wacko jack or whatever because of other things he was doing. You know, he likes animals. He was doing, you know, going to places in his pajamas. He likes to hang out with kids. But then in the movie, they explain how the whole kid thing happened. And it makes sense. What did they say? Dude, he used to look out the window, watch kids play. Come here, Mike. Get away from that window. Come here and sing this song. So he wanted to be a kid. He wanted to be a child. And so when he. He saw some kids, I think, at a toy store that wanted autographs. And he was like. He was at a toy store and he was signing autographs. He found. like a kid that makes sense you're the mind the mind is so funny man so if you if you were on a jury would that that would suffice for you no no no what's the fight for me what's the fights for me three things about this or four things about this about why i say he's 100 innocent um one nobody no other kids from around the world he might got might got that no other kids but these two ass greedy ass kids nobody else from around the world no other kids if you if you like what you like you're going to seek it everywhere you go that makes sense you needed me okay wait i'm not i'm liking this i'm right don't don't get don't get one yeah nobody else yes nobody else number two um um when you look at the kids um um when you look at the kids um um when you look at the kids right one kid the mother took her son to walmart and told the kid go steal something i'm gonna keep the security guard occupied the kid got caught by another security guard the mother said oh he was sexually harassing me walmart to drop all the charges you know when you when sexual harassment come in you gotta drop the other kid the dad asked michael for 20 million i wrote a movie mike give me 20 million dollars so i can make it mike said no a week two weeks later mike touched my kid what are the chances that you're going to get caught in a car accident what are the chances of that happening then the then the head goes the most credible evidence two things one the legal secretary who was taking notes for the kid the son for the kid the dad and the lawyer right she said and she quit she said they was writing ways on how to get michael one of the so so you know the kid said he has a birthmark on his penis i don't remember this but he has a birthmark in his in his private area right oh now it's a private area yeah now we got the censored version so you know what happened tell me so michael used to tell the kids my bedroom is for but do not come upstairs in my bedroom yeah but you know kids don't listen kids ran up there you're saying he knew that kids don't listen no no no no we know kids don't listen okay one of the one of the kids ran up there yeah coincidentally saw him coming out the shower and saw him naked huh and michael what are you doing get out of here get out of here he ran downstairs told all the other kids so that kid took that other kid's story and told it as his own so that so that kid so that's how that kid so that kid that ran in and then was that that kid nothing nothing and then that quickly saw the birthmark that quickly and told all the other kids damn and then and then but that kid i'm gonna use that in my story and so they wrote that down so the legal secretary said wait i thought you had i thought you your thing was real and they was no we're gonna come up with ways on how to get them so she quit you know what one thing i'll suggest the next time you tell the story just say you have three ways you know what you did last you did it on the way no the fourth one you don't know yeah the fourth one because three we're used to three three is good yeah i have three ways you do the three ways we're with you and if you really want to do four i could give you one like you uh macaulay culkin hasn't said anything yeah and i got one better than that yes but that's one you yeah the one you said running into the bedroom i didn't even know this story by the way yeah and when you told me this now i'm a little shaken when it was a small bedroom i would believe this yes that he came out the last the last and most credible evidence that when the fbi sees you know sees his stuff they found nothing they found nothing these these pdf files files right they love to put stuff in their computer to save pictures they found no no pictures yeah of anything so if they're like we we got no care that's why nothing happened to them okay so if that was something that would have released they would have released these pictures like look at my they would have you trust me they would have hold on the whole thing of him being in bed with kids was that true or not yeah yeah but you you're thinking the other way no no i'm saying i'm saying no no he has this huge bed he has kids and they're sleeping okay whoa i don't know if that's true i don't know if that's true i don't know i don't ever want to meet you in court this man i don't know if that's true or not but if it's if it's true if it's true nothing happened no what i'm saying okay i was getting to my next part right yeah so let's let's assume that he was not a pervert but he didn't mind being in bed with kids would you let your kid be in bed with him yeah okay you asked you you me needed me the only way that you can sort of say you know a scuba scuba diving yeah yeah is if he was wearing like that suit do you know what i mean like a full-on wetsuit zipped away do you know what i'm saying but you know what that sounds like sound like someone who's who's who's who's attracted that they got where there's to keep them from you know what i'm saying that's what that's no i'm saying so what you're saying is the real way to show that you're not attractive no no no lying in bed naked no no no this is what you said will no damn the one thing i will say is i'm going to watch this movie yeah i mean i'm telling i'll tell you now before i was like ah if i go watch the movie you will still vince can i do something you know it's a box office smash say again yeah it's a box office smash don't care the public it's a huge smash i'm not saying the public should or shouldn't care no can i can i tell you why can i tell you why i'll tell you i'll tell you why this is this is this is something that i've grappled with for a very long time i wish in society we spent more time discussing or trying to figure out how we deal with retribution absolution and accusations when the systems either don't support us or do support us because because we live in a world where some people are found innocent of a crime but then spend the rest of their lives paying for it because they were accused we live in a world where some people are accused of something and even though that accusation never materializes into anything else it could even be a fabrication as an accusation their lives will never be the same they carry that thing with them yeah right they're burdened by it then we we also live in a world where law enforcement has shown that it may not have an appetite to pursue certain individuals because they have so much power and then after like decades someone puts out a documentary and we're like damn this thing and then the person's like yeah but i was not guilty the whole time and you're like oh yeah law found you not guilty but remember the law is really just about finding out who you are and what you're doing and what you're doing and then finding the right person to find the right argument that means you cannot be prosecuted but it doesn't or or indict it but it doesn't necessarily mean that you are innocent of of the crime so so it's this weird world that we live in where some people's lives are ruined because of an accusation other people's lives are not impaired because of uh uh you know them being let off for some reason or they found not guilty or whatever it might be and some people's lives are ruined because of lack of prosecution yes and so it's like and that no and i mean this honestly i don't think there's one fixed one but i i wish we spent more time talking about that in society because otherwise it just becomes this like messy you know well i don't i don't think the the michael one is messy at this particular moment in time what are you talking about willis because what i'm saying at this particular moment in time people are so like think of them releasing this this movie yes at another time we're like more uh the world is so crazy now that we're like this thing that michael did no i don't know i mean i don't agree i actually no i actually just think i was saying it's in a jokey way oh damn oh you said you said completely seriously no i was right saying it i was doing it no i was saying it no no actually i was saying it in a in jest because half is real half is not real this is the half that i is real yeah is that the world is so crazy now that my little it's so crazy there's a war there's nuclear i'm with there's all these there's islands there's all this that i if it was just the michael thing alone we'll be like but now it's so crazy that it's like guys if i like him uh well i don't care but you see i actually think it's more the latter i don't think it's that the world is so we live in such um we live in such silos of everything that now everyone just goes into that camp and then like we in a weird way it's like we don't grapple anymore because we sort of don't have to grapple yeah right your social media doesn't make you grapple what it does is it puts you with people who agree with you yeah and it shows you the people that you definitely disagree with it's easy to it's easy to move on your social media if you actually think about it this video makes you angry it's easy to move on your social media if you actually think about it this video makes you i knew they were doing that this video makes you happy yeah my team those are easy things echo chambers chambers chambers yeah but but even one is not an yeah i mean an yeah but but even one is not an yeah i mean an yeah but but even one is not an yeah i mean an antagonistic echo chamber and then i guess one antagonistic echo chamber and then i guess one antagonistic echo chamber and then i guess one that's you know in sync with you but the thing that's you know in sync with you but the thing that's you know in sync with you but the thing that we we forget is the heart isn't going against or for it's the grappling against or for it's the grappling against or for it's the grappling one of the hardest things in life is to one of the hardest things in life is to one of the hardest things in life is to grapple is the girl who told me this grapple is the girl who told me this grapple is the girl who told me this thing a kind person who did a mean thing thing a kind person who did a mean thing thing a kind person who did a mean thing or is she a mean person who did a kind or is she a mean person who did a kind or is she a mean person who did a kind thing or is this a kind thing at all is thing or is this a kind thing at all is thing or is this a kind thing at all is it a mean thing at all or you know what what i mean is me having sex with somebody but not intending a long-term relationship relationship is that a mean thing or is that human nature as well is is it bad is it good should i eat some cake and no cake or should i eat a little bit or should i not or do you get what i'm saying grappling is one of the hardest things and i genuinely think grappling is the thing that we don't practice at all anymore yeah we just don't practice it at all so the reason i'm saying the michael thing sort of is like just going like they can release the movie is because there's enough people who will just go ebra i'm not grappling at all michael's 100 in it i don't give a damn and i'm gonna go watch this movie and then to your point even in the movie they don't make you grapple so you come in there and then you're like ah i had a great time thank you very much yeah we're not gonna reach those accusations you didn't make me grapple yeah so i leave this and then there's a ton of people who are like i can't believe this movie's out there how could they you know you know how could they uh exalt michael jackson after all the shit that he's done well this is this is a you know how could they you know how could they uh exalt michael jackson after all the shit that they'll never go watch the movie but they too will not grapple but they but they voted for trump no not necessarily but you find they won't but they won't grapple you know what i mean but they just won't grapple i find yeah so i think i actually think this is just my my assertion but i actually think that's the reason that they can release it is because the grappling is actually a thing that makes it hard to put something like that out oh yes for sure is when people go i don't know if people like something or if people love something yeah it's actually quite easy to make it a success yeah okay what about feeling something you know what i mean like in wrestling is a good example in wrestling you have the wrestlers that people hate the heel right the heel and then you have the wrestlers that people love no one cares about those ones but yeah about the heel no but what i'm saying is people love you love the rock when he's the hero you hate the rock when he's the heel you love john cena when he's the hero you hate john cena when he's the question no but listen what i'm saying what i'm saying is what they won't tolerate in wrestling is like indifference yeah the no the guys where you're like i don't know how i feel about him i'm like i don't have to be extreme yeah because that's an easier thing boo yeah but uh that one confuses us yeah we don't know what to do we don't know how to deal with it and the most important thing i'm saying is we don't practice it so we cut off friends who you know yeah i found out that they actually like leather goods they're out of my life why no because i can't be with somebody who wears a dead animal on them okay so they're out of your life what about you yeah no this person uh you know they they don't pray anymore before they eat their food they're out of my life then it's like okay but do you grapple okay i get your grappling let me just say okay let me restage what i said if we rewind six years ago or so yeah the climate that was yes remember there was a different climate yes let's say when i don't want to phrase them that way but when wokeness was heavy okay yes a movie like this is the antithesis of the climate in which we live that's exactly what happened was that people said that's over if they just people have just decided it's over now a person who you truly love michael jackson because a lot of people love him because he was part of their life you know that kind of thing in terms of growing up there's a movie about him previously in that time your grappling thing you might have been man i love him so much but now it's but now when people have said yeah guys you do you people are like let's make it a box office match that's exactly what i'm like this is not the time to tell me to not that's you know what i'm saying now yes because we just it but release this five years before it's going to flop because people will be like yes but that's but that's exactly what i'm saying and that's what i'm i'm saying that that is one of the worst things that can happen for people because it means a trump voter cannot grapple with the fact that his family is using the administration to enrich him you're like because in south africa we're comfortable with that we'd be like oh that's corruption we know it very clearly we see what you're doing in africa we're like yeah we know this oh yeah and then your kids make billions and oh yeah you've got contracts coming oh yeah this is corruption and you would even be able to say it is corruption but i still like some of your policies you get i'm saying like you're stealing yeah but i just don't like you or i even just acknowledge that you're stealing but also still still some for us yeah but i'm saying but but what i to your point this is what i'm saying dave is the grappling is the thing that we're losing and if you can't grapple it just pushes people and then almost nobody deals with a reality that's inconvenient for them yeah and i feel like in the michael jackson story he could have been two things at the same time he could have been this great performer that everyone loved but he could have had that dark side that only those kids experienced and everyone else because obviously the number of people that love him were far more and greater than the number of people that accused him and we also don't know to what degree that's the thing that's what i mean by grappling so michael jackson could have been again i'm not saying this is or isn't but he could have been a person where he liked that a kid would occasionally walk in on him naked because we also know people do this do you know what i mean to your point of like years ago when me too was happening how many of the stories were oh the guy would be in a bathrobe come out when the housekeeping in the hotel would walk in and you're like oh so this is a fetish some people have is being busted you know so that could have been a thing i'm not saying that it is and i'm not saying that it is it but i i personally am saying for myself i i i think it's more important to be like grappling with that like i love those movies you know it's like a biopic where you go do you how do you feel after the movie and you're like i don't know man i i mean i still think they're one of the greatest artists and i love but oh there's one part of the story that you know oh it just made me feel like a like a certain because you know why because to be human is to grapple will and i think it would have been you get what i'm saying i would have been it would have been more powerful to show the audiences and people that loved him the scenario that he was in and let them decide yes no no but another thing about that that part of his life did not happen no no i'm saying that they could have yeah they could have if they wanted to you making it seem like the movie ended because they had to there they could have they chose whatever they wanted to put on there's a part two no no wait we're saying here now we're not in part two yet so i'm saying yeah i'm telling you there's a part two no part two is coming out yeah yeah you're 100 sure about this hold on the director said if part one does not do well he's not gonna release part two he said there's so much about michael he can't put all in one movie okay then we're gonna then we're gonna it's almost like saying we'll table this like saying yo eugene yo man you you you failed that that that math test in college and you're like what we i'm still talking about me in high school okay okay no then we then we table it so it was like what what we didn't get there yet we didn't get there yet but will if this sequel doesn't come out you me needed me can i do something with y'all real quick yeah do it what you got so you know how like people always compare michael hey who's better michael the prince or michael and elvis yeah the only person you i feel that you could compare yourself with is yourself right because it's not fair to you or not fair to the other person everybody had their own path and got got to where they are you know hey him asked me how do you get you know that that that urge to lose hey i can't tell yeah yeah so i came up with a list of songs of michael's like which is better you guys on first name basis now she that's the name of the movie michael oh sorry she's out of my life or lady of my life you know both songs oh you want us to choose yeah lady of my life she's out of my life why i mean i like girls she's out of my life why because he cried when he was recording it i i like that one too so she's she's out of my life quincy jones had it right and michael so what's that and quincy jones oh no that's me michael michael goes michael goes quincy jones oh no that's i'm i think i'm gonna give that to lana ritchie and michael can i can i and he sang it in the office and he was crying and quincy was like i gotta get this song to michael michael like he was performing it and crying i don't know the song but anyway um okay uh bad or beat it beat it yeah beat it beat it yeah beat it why because that's what you did after you decided you're gonna say that i think you're gonna say that oh man oh okay okay so you said bad you said beat it yeah we all said beat it yeah beat it was pretty uh smooth criminal you like smooth criminal no ask the next song ask the second song yeah or billy jean smooth criminal smooth criminal over billy jean right dave billy jean but but i will say this brilliant uh match up that's a great match up brilliant that's fire like i can't i can't say no to your i can't just say yeah no that's fantastic i can't just dismiss smooth okay okay okay okay um black or this is gonna be easy this is a bad matchup black or white or man in the mirror man in the mirror that's a that's a terrible one delete that and start again dangerous or dirty diana dude diana diana yeah um um uh this is also bad let me skip that one what was it let's judge okay remember the time of liberian girl liberian that's not the worst liberian girl that's not the worst matchup by the way it's not a bad matchup at all i actually don't think that's a bad matchup Did you pick like Bring Over Remember The Time? Yeah, yeah, yeah. In a minute, in a minute. Can't get in. Yeah, no, no, no. Okay. Earth Song or Heal the World? Heal the World. Now you're, that was, Heal the World is better than Earth Song. They're not good match. I mean, thematically, but strength-wise, no. The Way You Make Me Feel or PYT? PYT. The Way You Make Me Feel. Any day. PYT is a brilliant song, and PYT is better, but The Way You Make Me Feel did not deserve to be not a winner. If, like, but PYT, yes. One more. Damn, that's, yeah, that's hard. This is a good match-up. All right, we're going to come back. No, no, no, I'll go with, I'll go with The Way You Make Me Feel. Okay. Don't stop till you get enough? Yeah. Or want to be starting something? Brilliant match-up. I want to be starting something. I would, don't stop. No, don't stop till you get enough for me. You know what? Should I tell you a funny thing? You're going to get a suit. About that, Will. You're going to get a suit, just so you know. Will must sing all the songs. Want to be starting something is continuing the thing that don't stop till you get enough. The hard work, don't stop till you get enough. Do you remember how don't stop till you get enough starts? The hard work of don't stop. He's mumbling. Whoa! Don't stop till you get enough is better. Don't stop till you, okay. Human nature or rock with you? Ah, human nature. Oh. Human nature. What? I rock with you. I have a. Okay, now we're going to switch it to young Michael. Whoa, there's more albums. No, Will. Let's end this podcast. This just turned into like a musical. How many more did you have? This guy had three albums. No, four more. Four more songs. You had four more. Four more songs or four more albums? All right, four more songs. Let's go. Got to be there or never can say goodbye? Got to be there, be there. I know. I mean never can say goodbye. Never can. Only because I'm more familiar with it. I'm more familiar with it. I don't know either one. A, B, C or I want you back. I want you back. They're hard. I want you back. Hard. I want you back. But again, good matchup. But wow, okay. Who's loving you now? Who's loving you or never can say goodbye? Who's loving you? Who's loving you? Never can say goodbye. I absolutely love who's loving you. Yeah. You can smell Smokey Robinson on that song. Yeah. Okay, last one. Rockin' Robin. Or Ben, because they're about anime. Ben. I'll choose. Both are odd songs to me, I will say, even though people, you know what I mean? Ben is a win. They say he's singing to a mouse or whatever it is. It's an odd thing. It's a rat, first of all. A rat, whatever it is. Yeah, it's like worse. Okay, Ben, yeah. All rats gotta die. Those are odd songs. You must have splintered. This was dope, man. All right, thanks, man. Thanks for having me back. Who canceled? This guy. Nobody canceled, man. Yo, leave that low self-esteem outside. We put a mirror behind you so you can see who he really is, man. Look at the back there. Look behind you. You see who you are? You're our friend. Nobody canceled. This was dope, Will. Thank you, man. Thank you. Thanks for having me. This was really great. And I guess go watch the movie. Yeah, go watch the movie. This was a great promo. I'm in. What Now With Trevor Noah is produced by Day Zero Productions in partnership with SiriusXM. The show is executive produced by Trevor Noah, Sanaz Yamin, and Jess Hackle. Rebecca Chain is our producer. Our development researcher is Marcia Robiu. Music, mixing, and mastering by Hannes Brown. Random other stuff by Ryan Parduth. Thank you so much for listening. Join me next week for another episode of What Now?