Wide Receiver Tiers and Rankings - 10 Tiers and 70 WRs!

We're not just two guys with opinions, Joey Wright and I are both ranked inside the top five in fantasy pros, expert consensus rankings, multi-year accuracy, and today we're going to go through all of our wide receivers, building tiers, talking about disagreements, telling you who you should draft and who you should fade, Joey let's start with the top of the top. And we do have a little bit of dissension up here. I prefer Pukinikua to Jamar Chase, you prefer Jamar Chase to Pukinikua, but we'll talk about that in a minute. First of all, let's talk about how the running backs fold in here. Are you taking either of these guys ahead of Bijan Robinson or Jamir Gibbs in any formats? I'm not. And we talked about this last week. It really just comes down to positional scarcity. There's just a lot less running backs that I would trust to anchor my team that I do with the wide receivers. I love Chase and I love Pukinikua. It's just what this Bijan and Gibbs are in a tier of their own for me right now. Yeah. Now, we don't need to spend a ton of time here, but I do, as I said, we have a little bit of disagreement here. I prefer Pukinikua. So what would you have to say? What message would you have for somebody like me who was ranking Pukinikua ahead of Jamar Chase? Well, I'll tell you that you've got the last two or the last three seasons on your side because Nuku outscore Chase, two of those years. I'm an efficiency standpoint, Nuku has been a better wide receiver since he came into league in 2023. The reason I have Chase ahead of Nuku at this point really has to do with that Bengals defense. I think that it's going to be giving a lot more points, keeps Chase on the field a lot longer. Where this Rams defense is getting better by the day, Dave. We got Aaron Donnell possibly joining the team. I think we could see Nuku sliding off the field a little bit towards fourth quarters. And that just, you know, it's a volume standpoint, even though I think he's an efficiency that a lot better of a wide receiver than Chase is at this point in their career, I'll still tell you the points that I'm going to get from Chase in the fourth quarter when they're trailing in games. You talk about the defense getting better. I mean, Aaron Donnell is all but a dumb thing at this point. Like he's practicing with the team. He's using team equipment. We talked with a Rams beat reporter on our radio show last week who said that he'd be shocked if he isn't signed by the end of August. So that's going to happen at some point. And I think you do make a good point there. My whole thing comes down to Pukinikua since coming into the league. You know, Jim Archie said a two year head start to acclimate and still, since the start of 2023, Pukinikua is averaging more points per game than any other wide receiver in football. I think there's a fear with Pukinikua. You know, he's running into glass windows and biting people and always seems to be in the news for the wrong reasons, but when he is on the field, like this guy is so dominant. So I am still drafting him as the wide receiver one, taking him third overall. But just like you, I do prefer Bijan Robinson and Jameer Gibbs to him, but we don't need to spend too much time on this top two. We know who those guys are. It's Jameer Chase, Pukinikua, pick your flavor. Before we talk about the rest of these guys, go ahead and give us a thumbs up on this video. We ask for it on all the videos for good reason. It's the best way to help us show grow on YouTube. And if you are new here, subscribe with us. We've still got quarterback and titan rankings coming out over the next couple of weeks. I've also got episodes that I'm doing with Jeff Bell going over training camp news and notes that you need to know. We've got JJ Zachary Mason and Greg Brainos joining later this week. Next week, we've got Sigmund Blume, Bob Harris, so many good guests coming through between now and kick off Joey Wright and I were going to be joined by Jeff Bell in a few weeks to do our my guys episode, talking about the guys that you need to draft in your fantasy football league. So lots of good stuff coming your way over the next few weeks between now and kick off. But Joey, let's jump into tier two. This is another like a very small tier. What we did is we took your rankings. We took my rankings. We averaged them together and then kind of looked for natural breaks in those average rankings to draw these tiers. And again, we have a little bit of a dissension here. I prefer Amon Ross St. Brown to Jackson Smith and Jigba. You prefer Jackson Smith and Jigba to Amon Ross St. Brown. When you average these guys together though, they come out as our third and fourth receivers. So you make your case for JSN over Amon Ross St. Brown and then I'll make my case for Amon Ross St. Brown. Let me just say I did get scared last week and I moved back because that was a position I had. Well, I was more comfortable taking Amon Ross St. Brown over Jackson Smith and Jigba. And I kind of corrected on that. I've read some good stuff coming out about Rashid Shaheed. So I don't think it's going to be as fun all towards JSN, which actually made me a little bit fearful. But yeah, last year and still this year, this offense is going to run through JSN. He set the single season Seahawks receiving yards record last year and he also led the NFL. So two birds, one stone there for him, the Seahawks. That's a bird, Dave. Let's see what I did there. But he also did have more receiving yards, almost 400 more receiving yards than Amon Ross St. Brown had last year. My worry with Amon Ross St. Brown is this Detroit Lions offense is really good. They've got a lot of great pieces. So the ball is going to get spread out a little more. Now last year, Sam LaPorta missed a substantial amount of time and coming back, I don't think it's going to really cut into Amon Ross St. Brown at all. But he's had these wide receivers, three wide receivers, four, even a wide receiver two season. He is there at that tier. I just feel a little bit more comfortable at this point with JSN, but I'm really splitting hairs between these two guys. And so am I as well. I mean, when it comes down to me, Amon Ross St. Brown has been a top three wide receiver for three straight seasons. And I love JSN. Like JSN is one of the reasons that we can boast what we boast. Like we were very in on JSN last year when it comes to like the rankings. A lot of that came down to us being way ahead of the market on JSN last year. But I feel like everything broke right last season, you know, click Cubiac there, building the entire offense around his skill set, Elijah Royo with the early injury, Tory Horton going down with the injury, bringing Rashid Shaheed in mid season. Now I think with Rashid Shaheed having a full off season and preseason to acclimate to the offense, Elijah Royo being healthy, of course, a new offensive coordinator who has a history as a tight ends coach. So I think that we're going to see more AJ Barnard, we're going to see more Elijah Royo, who has been a standout in camp last year, we saw JSN pulling almost a 37% target share. That to me is an outlier like that's going to come back down a little bit. So hey, I almost feel like, you know, people are chasing a ceiling with JSN that doesn't really exist there. I feel like we're almost like guaranteed regression from what he did last season where I'm on our same brown has just been as steady as possible. Just top three receiver every single year. So I'm going to keep drafting him as that. But again, like, you know, you know what you're getting with these guys. We talk about your bar chase, Puku Dukua, I'm on our same brown Jackson's been in the Jigba. But these are good players that we don't need to spend a lot of time on. Let's go down to tier three. This is the first area where I think we do start to have some of the question marks about the players that we are drafting here. We got Justin Jefferson, CD Lamb, Drake London, and AJ Brown. And Joey, would you agree with me? This is kind of the first tier where you start to have question marks about some of these players. I do have some question marks about them, although I will say like as soon as week two, these guys could be in the conversation with the guys right above them. We've seen them do it before or they're like right on that cusp of being a top three wide receiver. The one though that I feel like has the biggest question marks for me is probably Justin Jefferson, because we saw them do quite a bit of a backslide last year that Minnesota Viking scene. They went through three quarterbacks last year. And that can't be good for Justin Jefferson. But, you know, we've seen Kyler Murray who's now been named the Minnesota Vikings quarterback for week one. We've seen him support top five pass catchers in Trey McBride as early as 2024. And then going back a little further with Deandre Hopkins. So we know that Kyler Murray can support it just hopefully stays on the field long enough. But because of that and what we saw from Jeff, Justin Jefferson last year of this tier, he is the one I have the most question marks with. But I still have him ranked second highest in this tier. Yeah, and that's the thing like we're looking at some question marks here, but all of these guys would it be crazy to say Joey that every single person here, Jefferson, Lamb, London, Brown, all have been like the top scoring wide receiver one in the range of outcomes. Because when I do look at these guys like Justin Jefferson's done it before CD Lamb has done it before. Drag London. We've only seen in small spurts. But like he went on a six week stretch last year where he was averaging over a hundred yards and a touchdown per game. AJ Brown, we've seen the ceiling there. Now he is in a past happy environment. So well, you do get some question marks in this year. There's also upside that you could be drafting guys that end up outscoring the guys in the tiers ahead of them. Absolutely. And that run that AJ Brown had to the second half of the season last year is all the proof I need that he can be the wide receiver one in this league. And now with Drake May, he's got a true wide receiver one. I think that's the name that people might say, I don't know about him. But he's one I feel absolutely confident in. So I think talking through, you know, we've got minor discrepancies. Like I prefer Justin Jefferson to CD Lamb. I prefer Drake London to AJ Brown. We don't need to sit here and like talk about all of that. I think the more important discussion that drafters want to know is how you kind of fold running backs into this tier because I feel like there's been so much talk this year about running backs moving up the draft board. I have been a big proponent in drafting these wide receivers aggressively and passing on a lot of the guys. Now I like James Cook, I like Chase Brown and I will take them ahead of these running backs. But when I see a lot of people reaching for sake one Barclay or a Maureen Hampton or Ashton Gentie ahead of these wide receivers, I can't really get there. So how do you fold the running backs into this tier, Joey? Yes. I've got CD Lamb as my highest player in this tier and I have him right above Chase Brown, who's my RB five. So just to go through my running backs before that, he's on Robinson, Jumeer Gibbs, Jonathan Taylor, Christian McCaffrey. Those are my top four running backs, Chase Brown will be fifth, but I would put Lamb ahead of Chase Brown in a draft, then Justin Jefferson Drake London and AJ Brown. And I would take them before Devon Hane 15th overall. That's it. That's kind of how I'm packaging them in there. I like these wide receivers a lot. If I can get one of these guys in my team, I am ecstatic. And full PDR though, I have to bump James Cook below Jefferson in a full PPR league. - Fair, yeah, and we are getting reports that James Cook is getting a little bit more involved in the receiving game, but it's one of those things, like I feel like you hear that every offseason about like every elite running back is like we're gonna use them more in the receiving game. He's running outside of the slot. Like how often does that actually translate? So we'll see, but I'm pretty much in agreement with you on everything that you said there now. Before we move to this next here, I want to talk real quickly, you know, address the elephant in the room. You might be going on fantasy pros right now, say and wait, like these guys are supposed to be some of the best rankers at fantasy pros. Why can't I find their rankings? That's because we did it. Like we went there, we destroyed that contest. And now you can find our rankings over at footballguys.com. And the best thing about this Joey is that our rankings at football guys are 100% customizable to your league setting. So we're not just putting up blanket rankings and saying draft off of this, whether you're in a 10 team league or an 18 team league, whether you've got to start one wide receiver or 12 wide receivers, whether it's PPR standard, half PPR, tight end premium, super flex, however weird your league is, we can give you ranking specific to that league. So we put our rankings into our system. You can go to footballguys.com/rankings, sync your leagues manually and put your leagues however you want and get customized ranking specific to that league. So all of our rankings now are exclusively at footballguys.com/rankings. Be sure to check that out if you're looking for not just our wide receiver rankings that we're discussing today, but our running back rankings that we discussed last week can get a sneak peek at our quarterback and tight end rankings. And then you can see how these all fold together into one list of overall rankings for your leagues. But let's go ahead into tier four. And this is a tier Joey that I find myself really liking in drafts. In tier four, we've got Rashi Rice, Nico Collins, Belique neighbors, Chris Alave, Devonte Smith, George Pickens and Zay Flowers. So who do you think in this tier? I think a lot of times people are looking for upside in this tier. Who do you think in this tier has the most upside? - It's Malik neighbors for me. I'd say that he's the lone wide receiver in this group that I could see jumping up two tiers to be in that top tier. And you know, this season, absolutely. In 2024, neighbors was the wide receiver seven. So we've seen it from him with just over 1200 yards and seven touchdowns. And then last year, he looked like he was on pace to do exactly what he did in his rookie year. And then he tore his ACL last year that limited him after week seven. Drafted neighbors, it does come with that risk though because we don't know for sure that he's going to be out there week one. All signs point to hit that yes he is. That's what we've been hearing from the Giants. I hope that he is. We didn't see him participating in the Vikings game, but there's a lot of preseason games where the wide receiver ones are not out there in week one. If he plays week one and he's healthy all season, you've got a borderline top five wide receiver at the two three turn right now. And I believe in an NFFC draft, we did get him at the two three turn earlier this off season. And it was a little shaky. It was a little risky, but it's looking pretty good now. I think so. Yeah, he is one of the, my most drafted players this year absolutely in on him. And he's at a point where we've got some sleeper wide receivers as well. So if you take Malik neighbors and he doesn't start week one, let's say he gets out there week three, you can piece something together for those first two weeks and really plan for your season ahead with him. I think his former teammate, Wondale Robinson, is like the perfect guy. And I feel like I've said this so many times this off season, but like we expect Wondale Robinson, you know, a veteran, a guy who has a connection with Brian Dable, a guy who knows that offense. And then of course, Carnal Tate is there. But the hope is that Carnal Tate is the eventual wide receiver one for the Titans. But I could see Wondale Robinson getting out the gate really quick. So I think like pairing Malik neighbors up with a Wondale Robinson is just a perfect duo. They can kind of piecemeal together and elite wide receiver one over the course of the entire season. But Joey, we talk all the time. Like there's goldfish brain in fantasy football analysis. Like people are so quick to forget. Malik neighbors led the league in Target Chair, his rookie season. He didn't lead all rookies. He led the league. You know, 35% Target Chair as a rookie, like that is unbelievable. And now this guy is so far ahead of schedule. And we know the youth, the athleticism, like that is what helps him be ahead of schedule on this injury recovery. But if he's out there week one, like you could be drafting a guy. I mean, when we were doing dynasty rankings, following Malik neighbor's rookie season, a lot of people were putting him ahead of Jabbar Chase. I had a Justin Jefferson ahead of all these big names because the upside was so high that it gets derailed because of the knee injury. But if this guy looks anything like he did as a rookie, you could be stumbling into the overall wide receiver one at a huge discount this year. So, yeah, you know, now you're paying up for him. He's probably going to start to settle in around like middle of round two as we get more and more good news. But Malik neighbors, yeah, a couple of months ago, those round four teams where you're able to get him. Not doing that anymore, but I still think that if you're drafting him like 15, 16, 17th overall, you can still be getting upside there. Now for the other side though, you know, there's a lot of upside in the steer. There's also a lot of downside in this year. So again, Rashi Rice, Nico Collins, Malik neighbors, Chris Alave, Devante Smith, George Pickens, and Zay Flowers, who do you think has the most downside here, Joey? - I think this is the hardest question you're going to ask me all day because I've really two love all these wide receivers. And for me, it's probably Devante Smith. Just because we saw him as the wide receiver 33 last year, we're both ranking him as our wide receiver 13. Coming into like the season, the drum beats also that hey, listen, the Eagles are probably going to move back towards more of a run first team than they were before. AJ Brown is gone now though. And I think that's why a lot of the optimism is there for Devante Smith as he's going to have to step up and be this receiving and targets leader that we've seen him do in the past. He has led the team and targets and receptions in the past. That's not unheard of. I just think we are banking on that workload coming through for him and there's a chance that it doesn't. So I would say he might have the most downside, but I struggle even saying that because I really do, I've drafted a lot of them this year, especially about you. And I think there is some actual downside in this tier. And like, you know, we can just help these guys and say to draft them all and we are drafting them aggressively. But like, let's call it like it is. Like, Rashi Rice is very much so a product of that offense. Like what if Cyrus Allen is so good that they do just make him that featured player? What if Rashi Rice hasn't fully recovered from that knee injury? So I think that there is some downside with Rashi Rice. Nico Collins, fantastic player when he's on the field, but he has missed games every single season of his career. He's never been fully healthy. So there's risk there. Malik neighbors, of course, like the ACL. If he looks better on a practice field than he looks on a game field, there could be some downside there. Chris Alabe has dealt with injury concerns to Vante Smith or projecting him to step up, but he might not. George Pickens, he quit playing football. Like he might Antonio Brown and just take a shirt off and run off the field in the middle of the game. Probably not, but there's always kind of that knucklehead factor with George Pickens and then Zae Flowers. We love Zae Flowers, but we got to call it like it is. Like this guy has not scored a lot of touchdowns. It's been a low volume passing offense. So there's upside and downside in this tier, but fundamentally, Joey, is this a tier that you find yourself drafting, fading, just kind of picking and choosing certain players from? Like how are you approaching this tier in your fantasy drafts this year? - I am heavily invested in this tier. I have at least, in every one of my leagues, I have at least one of these guys. So two of those leagues. Like I just, I have all, especially Devonta Smith. And I know I just said he has the most downside, but at the same time, you might have the best floor of all these guys here. Like we're gonna get receptions. Yeah, I am really invested in this tier for sure. - And I think what you said to about having one of these guys in almost every single build, like that might sound hyperbolic, but it's true because this tier spans a pretty good section of drafts where you've got Malik neighbors now creeping into the first half of round two. And then when you look at Zay Flowers and Devonta Smith and Chris Alave, these guys are regularly falling deep into round three. So however you build your team, like if you wanna start running back, running back at the one two turn, you can still walk away with one of these guys as a wide receiver one. If you start, you know, running back wide receiver, you could still tack another one of these guys on as a wide receiver too. So it's like, when you're building your teams, you can kind of work these guys into any construction. This is a tier with enough upside that I am with you, like I'm trying to get at least one of these guys in every single team that I draft this year. And this next year that we have, we still have some really, really high upside and some good values in here. So now we're on to tier five. And here we've got Teterol Mcmillan, T Higgins, DJ Moore, Jameson Williams, Ameca Buka, Ladma Kanki, Garrett Wilson, and Luther Burton. And I think when you look at this tier, this is why a lot of people are willing to start running back, running back and fade wide receivers, 'cause they feel like they can still get their wide receiver ones within this tier. So from a value perspective, like taking ADP into consideration, who would you say is your favorite player from this tier, Joey? - Yeah, DJ Moore, if I can get him in round four, even round five, sometimes I've seen. Like, I'm happy to take him in round three, but it has to be DJ Moore, wide receiver one for the Buffalo Bills. Six out of seven of his last seasons, top 24 wide receiver, his last years in Chicago, saw some of his best touchdown production of his career, which he should expect that in Buffalo, 'cause the Buffalo will be scoring a lot of touchdowns this year. In 2025, he did see a dip in volume. That's a lot to do with this Bears offense, just having so many weapons, but his efficiency actually kind of went up. DJ Moore's now headed into, like I said, a prominent role as that wide receiver one with Josh Allen in the Buffalo Bills. I'm actually kind of surprised Dave, that DJ Moore is not a top 12 wide receiver. 'Cause this offseason, I was just expecting, oh he's Lando Buffalo, he's gonna be shooting straight up, but he's kind of just stayed in that round. I mean, I guess the end of round three, beginning of round four range, that I absolutely love taking him when I can get him. - Yeah, and we've talked about DJ Moore a ton. I mean, we wrote our magazine. We sent that off to the printers months ago, and like I talked about DJ Moore in our magazine, as one of the best values that you can get at wide receiver, and now, I mean, I hate to say Joey, but like we were very out of the curve on DJ Moore. Now it seems like everybody's kind of warming up to DJ Moore after they see a handful of camp highlights come out. Did you see the play where you had the catch and run? I mean, it was a wide open play. Like he got the flip ball with so much space ahead of him, but he kind of clocked that defender like 20 yards away, and did you see him kind of like come bring it, and then like dropped his pads and ran through a defender in a preseason game. I talked about DJ Moore saying like, this is a very emotional player. He is going to be playing with a chip on his shoulder the season, and him like seeking contact, and like trying to like level a defender in a preseason game. That's exactly what I want to see from DJ Moore. So there are a lot of guys that I like inside of this tier, but DJ Moore, definitely one of the best draft a values. And it's like not just me and you, it's me, you, Jeff Bell, Jason Wood, like everybody on staff is very, very ahead of consensus when it comes to DJ Moore's outlook and Buffalo. I did want to point because this episode comes out, you know, I want to make sure we address the ankle issue. It does look like he might possibly we're not exactly sure we have a high ankle sprain, but Adam Hutchinson, I was talking with him, and he doesn't see why he wouldn't be on the field for week one. So if we see him set out next week's preseason game, I'm still not going to be that worried about him. - Absolutely, yeah. So we talk about the upside and like the guys that you like targeting in this range, is there anybody here that you would say concerns you a little bit? - Yeah, James and Williams, I love the talent. I mean, don't get me wrong. Efficiency wise, he is right on mark. Nothing really fell off for him. But when Sam Laporta, you know, left the field last year, when Sam Laporta was on the field, James and Williams, 52 yards of game. Without Laporta on the field, 80 yards of game. I have to look at that and buy into it a little bit. I don't think that, you know, he's going to stop catching 20 yard passes. This is what James and Williams does. Touchdown efficiency is going to be there, but even just that 4% rise in target share for James and Williams. Seemed to set him apart. He went from Widersiever 33 to Widersiever 8, rest of season. With Laporta on the field, I'm just afraid that it might come down to close around like Widersiever 15 to 20. - Yeah, I think that's justifiable. My James and Williams love has been very well-documented throughout this YouTube channel's history and writing everything that I've done. I mean, this guy was the Widersiever 11 last year, was the Widersiever 19 to year before. So I see him on that upward trajectory. And I still don't know if we've really seen the ceiling outcome for James and Williams. You know, we see him get a little bit better every single year, but I still think that this guy can be like the focal point of the offense. And of course, I'm on the same ground as there. Fantastic at what he does, but such complimentary skill sets where you've got I'm on the rod, that kind of dog working underneath, you know, making plays after the catch. And then James and Williams with his speed with his fluidity, his ability to get behind defences. What he can bring on crossing patterns and what not. So I am very much so in on James and Williams. But you know, this is also where we can talk a little bit about some of the dissensions that we have inside of this tier. And you have a Mecca Buka four spots higher than me. Do you think there's a little homerism bias there for you? Or do you value a Buka over guys like Lad McConkey and Luther Burton inside this tier? - How dare you say I'm a homer? How dare you say that as I switch my hat? - No, Mike Evans is gone now. And jeez, the Bukkeneers, you know, White receiver one spot is wide open. Long term, I think no doubt. This is a Buka spot on this Bukkeneers offense. The question is like does it start right away in week one? If you look at the first five weeks of last season, you would say listen, it's already begun. He used the White receiver three overall, averaging 18 fantasy points per game. This is the Mecca Buka show now there in Tampa. But he got a hamstring injury in week six. And he probably should have just taken some time off, but he kept playing through it. 'Cause the Bukks honestly needed all the receiver help they could get last year. Guys are good on now left and right. My hope is he was able to fully recover this off season and we get that first five weeks of Mecca Buka that we saw last year. If we get that, we know the ceiling that he has. This is a White receiver three. Baker Mayfield's gonna go out through this year for better or worse and try to earn his next contract. Please Baker, come back, like stay with the Bukks. But, you know, I think Baker Mayfield wants to succeed and Mecca Buka's gonna be a huge part of him finding success this year. - So you talk about Adam Hutchison, you've talked to him about some injuries. Adam does have a lot of concerns with this toe injury that a Buka is dealing with saying that, you know, they're calling it a toe sprain. He's saying that it could be turf toe. And we know turf toe, you know, might have a cute name with some alliteration. But like that is a nasty injury that lingers for an entire year. So we have seen turf toe like completely derailed some seasons. So I've not hit the panic button on Mecca Buka, but it is interesting. It seems to be one of the players with a lot of dissension among the football guy staff. I also adjacent Woodon a couple of days ago, talking about some players that we've changed our opinion on. And he said, like, you know, right after the NFL season, he was very bullish on Mecca Buka. I'm just saying, this is a young player, first round draft capital. Check the boxes we wanted to see as a rookie. And then as he dug in a little bit more, has some concerns about him playing against Madden Coverage. Then you add the toe injury into there as well. I understand some concerns here. I don't really have a strong take on Mecca Buka. Other than I like a lot of the other wide receivers going in that range more than A Buka, one of those players being Garrett Wilson. Now I have Garrett Wilson much higher than you do, Joey. I've got him ranked as my wide receiver 16. You've got him ranked as your wide receiver 27. His wide receiver ADP, or as ADP is wide receiver 19. So I'm just curious, you know, most of the guys inside of this tier were just within, you know, two, three, four, five spots of each other. We've got 11 player gap on Garrett Wilson. Why are you so low on Wilson? - Yeah, I think it's gonna be a volume thing with him. Last year he was a wide receiver 10, one through six. And yet a 31% target share last year for those first six weeks. Then a week seven, knee injury lost him for the rest of the season. Since then, the jets have bolstered their offense. And I have to wonder, they used two top 30 overall picks. They had three top 30 picks in the draft this year. Two of them they use on offense and Kenyan Cedeek and Omar Cooper Jr. definite pass catchers that they're bringing in. So I'm just wondering if that target share goes down a little bit. And, you know, Gino Smith is not the hottest name you wanna see a quarterback, but two Gino Smith's credit, he has supported a top 10 wide receiver with Jackson Sip and the Jigba. And to be off in 2024, I'm just, I'm worried about that volume for him. I mean, he's efficient though. I'm probably a little too low on him. I could move him up a couple spots, but if he moves down like a 22% target share, those numbers are gonna come down closer to wide receiver 2025. - Yeah, and I just, I guess that's where I, I just don't expect that to change. Like I think this guy has shown that he consistently is like a 28% or better target share type of player. We've seen multiple seasons above 30% target share. And I think that's like a sticky enough stack that that is going to maintain. And I feel like when you look at vastly changing team scenarios, you can kind of make the argument both ways. And I think that that's like, you know, and I'm not saying you're right or wrong. I'm not saying that I'm right or wrong. It's just you can kind of paint the picture either way where you can say like more mouths defeat and new quarterback that could be bad for him. You could also say more mouths defeat takes pressure off of him. It means that he can be more efficient with his opportunity. So I can kind of see it go in both ways. I don't know, maybe I'm just a sucker for continuing to draft Garrett Wilson, even though he lets us down year after year after year. I'm just kind of blindly betting on the talent here and hoping that wins out. I will say if there's anything to this, which we're getting the news kind of this morning about Bree Sol. If there's any like truth to that injury news, like that would change my ranking of Garrett Wilson for the better. I would definitely have to move them up then because then this offense truly would flow through him once again, and you would see that 31 target, percent target share, maybe more than that. Honestly, if there's no Bree Sol this season. And also, we don't know that yet. It's just, do you know what we know for now? And I think it's also too early in the off season, but like, you know, and again, this is why it's such a dangerous game to play. Like you could say like Omar Cooper Jr., a first round wide receiver, he's in the fold now. Like is that mean less targets for Garrett Wilson? Then you could also say that Omar Cooper is struggling. Like we're here in that Isaiah Williams might be ahead of him on the depth chart. But then you could also say it's the second week of training camp. Of course, the rookie is gonna be behind the veteran. Like there's so many different ways that you could paint this picture. And I feel like when it comes to a player like Garrett Wilson, I'm just willing to say, I don't care what the situation is. Like we've seen this guy perform in good situations. We've seen him struggle at times as well, but like he is just a very, very talented player. And there are some guys that I'm just willing to say are kind of situation agnostic and I'm just gonna blindly bet on the player. And Garrett Wilson kind of falls into that bucket for me. But let's keep moving down the list. And now we're starting to look at some bigger tiers here. And in tier six, we've got quite a few names. We've got Terra McClure and Roma Dudes, a Christian Watson carnaltate, Devonte Adams, Jalen Waddle, Marvin Harrison Jr., Mike Evans and Brian Thomas Jr. So we've got some dissension in here. And we'll talk through some of those players and some of our disagreements. But first, let's just talk about the upside. Because upside is a word that we probably use about 20,000 times every single off season because you are searching for upside in your fantasy draft. So when you are looking inside this tier, all those names that I just listed, who do you think has the most upside, Joey? [BLANK_AUDIO] funny because he's my lowest rate player ranked player in this tier, but it's Brian Thomas Jr. Uh-huh. We have seen him have the wide receiver for season just two years ago. Now that didn't really come on the hands of Trevor Lawrence as much. But everything we've heard this offseason is they are on the same page. They're making highlight highlights together and camp like this is what we want to hear. He's slipped to wide receiver 46 last year. So you have to adjust for that. I've got him at wide receiver 33, which I think still is taking into account like he is going to come back this year. Um, it's just there's another factor to it with Parker Washington. We've reached this point where Parker Washington starting to go ahead of him, which is pushing Brian Thomas Jr. down even more way ahead of him. We did that draft last week where Parker Washington went early in round four and we are able to get Brian Thomas Jr. in round six. If we get an increase in volume for Brian Thomas Jr. But efficiency, we know he can have I still have guys like Jalen Waddle and Carl Tate ahead of him guys that I think have a clear path to the wide receiver one role. But on Jacksonville, he could easily stand out. We've seen it from him. Just need to see what Trevor Lawrence, um, like the highest upside for me for for sure here. Yeah. I wouldn't push back there. I mean, we know the upside is there like you said, you know, wide receiver for season just a couple of years ago, um, but I think there's so much upside here like Christian Watson. I think to make a huge upside case, but I know there are a lot of people that expect Christian Watson to take this huge step forward. I wouldn't say I'm fading him, but I'm not like way in on Christian Watson at cost, but I do see the upside case Roma Dunes a like a former top 10 pick Luther Burton's deal with an injury. We could see a huge ceiling for Roma Dunes a year. Terry McClure. And we saw his huge touchdown season two years ago with a healthy Jalen Daniels. He could bounce back to that. And of course, Carl Tate, the Lord of the Unknown, we've got this rookie and these rookies take take the NFL by storm every now and then like if we can see a Justin Jefferson, Jamar chase type of season from Carl Tate, I'm not banking on it. But it's certainly within the realm of possibility. But this year, Joey, when we're looking here, you know, you had a lot of strong flagplants that kind of influence this year. You're pretty aggressive on Christian Watson, Devonte Adams, Mike Evans. And that's pulling these guys up into this tier. So of that trio, Christian Watson, Devonte Adams, Mike Evans, who is your favorite guided target? You know, a couple of months ago, I was, I was very, very high on Devonte Adams. That was a big point of contention between us, like with our rankings of just there was such a big gap between them. I've come down a lot on that just with this defense improving with the Rams and realizing a lot of that's touchdown dependent for him to put those numbers up. So of these three guys that I still do like Adams, just I had him as like, I think wide receiver 15 at one point, he's come down quite a bit. It's Christian Watson, wide receiver nine from week on to the end of the season. I think every move the Green Bay Packers made this off season shows they have confidence in Christian Watson. He is going to be the wide receiver one in this offense of these three guys. He's the one on most comfortable drafting. But for some reason, Dave, I would love to say he's on a lot of my teams. I cannot get him in drafts. So I'm worried that the value on Christian Watson is at a point where I just can't touch him. And I think, you know, the, the four bar round two draft capital, the off the charts, size and athleticism. Like people have been waiting for a long time and they saw the breakout last year. So now like people are very aggressively targeting Christian Watson. And he's one of those guys like, I don't dislike Christian Watson by any means. But like I just, if I want an entry point into this wide receiver room, like I'm going to draft Jaden Reed, I'm going to draft Matthew Golden. I think Tucker Kraft has a chance to lead this team in targets. And I think people have just kind of already stated through ADP the Christian Watson is the clear cut wide receiver one. And I don't know if I am at that point right now and I'm not ready. And I have it ranked in that way. Like I do prefer Christian Watson, but I have all of these Packers pass catchers much tighter in my rankings than ADP does. So I have also found myself kind of passing on Christian Watson going from Matthew Golden, going for Jaden Reed, and of course, going for Tucker Kraft. But when you're looking at this tier, Joey, any other major takeaways here, you know, we talked about a few of the dissensions. I don't think we need to open up the Devonte Adams, Mike Evans, Kenneth Warren's again. I understand why you are willing to bet on the older guys, Bob Harris would agree with you that betting on those older guys is often a good way to get an edge in your fantasy drafts. I get a little bit concerned as injuries and age starts to pile up on some of these players. But I think that's more of just like a draft philosophy argument that it is anything about the players specifically. Yeah. I mean, if there's one other player here in this tier that we're just kind of overlooking, it's probably Terry McClaurne. He's at the top of this tier for both of us. And he looks like he's going to be that wide receiver one in that offense. And I know we're going to talk a little bit about stuff on digs later. But I'm very confident with taking Terry McClaurne in this tier just probably is not getting the love because it's not like a flashy pick, but it might be the safest pick in this entire tier. Yeah. I agree. Well, let's move on to the next tier. And these tiers just keep gradually getting a little bit bigger. We do have some smaller tiers as we get deeper into the show. But this next one is a big glob of wide receiver fours. We've got Quentin Johnson, Cortland Sutton, Jordan Tyson, Parker Washington, DK Metcalf, Chris Godwin, Jordan Addison, Jaden Reed, Josh Downs, Michael Pittman, Jr., Michael Wilson and Jacobi Myers. It feels like every year, Joey, this section of the draft, these kind of, I'm going to shout out Chris Harris. He calls them the wide receiver three in the infinite sadness. You just get this endless run of guys and drafts that kind of feel very similar. But every single year, one person tends to emerge from this tier as a wide receiver one. Who would be your bet to emerge as a wide receiver one from this tier this year? I'm going to be honest, I was looking through this tier and I was kind of picking it apart and I was having a hard time getting there. But if there's one that we've seen to do it quite recently, it's Chris Godwin in 2024, through the first seven weeks, he was the wide receiver two in the league. So we've seen it from Chris Godwin. If Amika Buka cannot get up to speed to start the season, Chris Godwin could pop up out of here. Guys like DK Metcalf, like I'm not exactly sure he can get to wide receiver one status once again in his career, but I mean Godwin would be the one that I would pick from here. We saw Michael Wilson have a really good run down the season, but with Michael Wilson, I'm worried that Marvin Harrison Jr. is back. So I don't think he can get back to a top 12 wide receiver season. Yeah, it's Godwin here and that's, I don't want to put the hat back on, but maybe it's a little bit too much of that. Who from this tier do you feel like can stand out because I had a tough time with this? I'm going to be honest. Yeah, and I think it's a good question to have because like last year, you know, this is where we saw like Portland Sutton was in this range and he gave us the top 12 season. I think a few years back when Christian Kirk was in Jacksonville and he did it, you go like way, way back to 2021 and we saw Cooper Cup and Debow Samuel both inside of this tier and both finishes top three wide receivers. So I think that there is use in going after this. I mean Jordan Tyson, of course, being a rookie, he's got the upside that you want to chase. Quentin Johnston, we know the big plays, the touchdowns, we've already heard Mike McDaniel talking about him kind of being the Julio Jones or the Andre Johnson in this offense. So I think there's excitement there. Jordan Madison is another player that I think kind of gets slept on, but like we've already heard about a strong connection with Kyler Murray. So well, this is the tier. I think that tends to have one player that surprises us every year. I asked the question because I was kind of struggling in a same way. You know, Jayden Reed, we've seen a lead efficiency, but it seems like he might be getting squeezed out of two wide receivers sets by Matthew Golden right now. I think Parker Washington is probably the guy that people want to hear us talking about. And I think that we kind of have to have this discussion because we already talked about Brian Thomas Jr. in an earlier tier world, a little bit lower on Parker Washington. So I'm kind of putting you on the spot here, but like do you think that Parker Washington can be a wide receiver one? Because my fear is kind of that everybody in this offense is going to be involved. We haven't really talked about you Kobe Myers, yeah, but like Kobe Myers is going to be involved. Thomas is going to be involved. Washington's going to be involved. Brenton Strange is going to be involved. Travis Hunter is going to come on the field for 30 to 50 percent of the snaps. And he's going to get his McQuinn Allen and Bay Shaltoot and they're going to get some targets as well. So I don't know if like anybody can really emerge as a wide receiver one in this Jacksonville offense. I feel like they all cap each other's upside. Absolutely. And I think if you look at all these names, Parker Washington being almost like the highlight of them all. They're all in somewhat of time share of and those receiver groups. So it might take an injury and then we haven't really talked about Josh Downs. Like if Alex, if all the coaches, it's all coach, speaking out pierce is truly not going to be ready. I mean, Josh Downs is the wide receiver one of that offense what we've seen from Daniel Jones. Like, he could sneak into be a top 12 wide receiver. That's a path I could see, but with Parker Washington, there are four really competent names there in Jacksonville and he's the one going first of them all. I'm just programmed to say let me take the guy that's going second or third. The thing Parker Washington does have going for him though, is that rapport with Trevor Lawrence. Right. He probably has the best relationship with them that we've seen on the field from last year. And I think you can see Parker Washington leading the team in targets and Brian Thomas still getting there on big plays and touchdowns that matter in fantasy points. So just very different skill sets, so it's really tough to compare these guys and it's just kind of like what you are targeting when you're in your fantasy drafts, but you talk about the injury upside. And I think that's a very, very good point. And that might be how somebody emerges from this year as a wide receiver one. Like if Lad McHockey goes down and they have to build the passing attack around Quentin Johnston, then we can get really excited there. Like Corlan Sudden, we're ranking him below where he finished last year because of Jalen Waddle, but Jalen Waddle has not been somebody who has historically stayed healthy. And Corlan Sudden can go right back to the wide receiver one. He was last year if Jalen, or Jalen Waddle has to miss any time. Jordan Tyson, same thing. He's playing opposite Chris Alave. He's dealing with some injuries himself, but like if Alave gets hurt, then Jordan Tyson becomes the white. receiver one in that offense. So let's talk about that real quickly because Jordan Tyson is dealing with this hamstring injury. I mean, how much does that concern you? Like he dealt with this hamstring injury in college, through the NFL combined and the whole pre-draft process, through the NFL draft, through OTAs, kind of gets healthier for the start of training camp than immediately re-inges himself. There's hope that he's back for the start of week one, but like, he can't be getting the warm and fuzzies about this right now. Now, I mean, this is a time where Coach speaks going loud and they're all saying the right things. And then we hear Kelly Moore saying it could linger into week one. Oh gosh, I don't want to hear that. I had Tyson above Carl Tate. I was the guy that's saying, "Listen, I think Jordan Tyson's the wide receiver one rookie wide receiver one this year. I don't think he's going to have to be able to reply or relied on as much in New Orleans. And I'm liking what Tyler Shucks doing. Crystal Lovies on the field taking some attention away. So I really liked Jordan Tyson, but I had to move him down. I had him as high as I think it was was a wide receiver 30 is where I had him up. And I had to pull him all the way down. It kind of works about O'Lovie, too. He's going to be getting all this extra attention. Now, I'm not moving him down too much. Right. But this injury, I mean, it's not good that we hear the coach saying something negative when we're into like not even a week two of the pre-season. Yeah. And you know, I like Tyson a lot. And I'm still kind of drafted him in basketball on the hopes that like he can be kind of that second half of the season type of player when those games really matter. But at the same time, like we have seen countless talented rookies get very slow out the gate the rookie season because of pre-season injuries. So like we saw it was such an awful run out for us sickos who are taking in all the NFL news. Like we see him just like almost snap a defender's leg with one of like the nastiest routes I've ever seen in my life. And then the very next day, he pops up with a hamstring injury. So like we're already seeing the upside here, but we can't ignore that this man is injured at the time. And we're going to spend a little bit more time on this year because I think this is where we have some major question marks. And these are the guys that can kind of make or break your fantasy season. So let's talk about that. You know, the the Pittsburgh Steelers, Michael Pittman and DK Madcalf. We have these guys flip flopped. I prefer Michael Pittman. You prefer DK Madcalf. Let's talk through this a little bit. Why do you prefer madcalf over Pittman? I'm not going to get too detailed here. It has to do with Aaron Rodgers. We've seen him through his career really when he builds rapport with someone is when he targets them the most. Michael Pittman's coming into his first year in this offense. I think it might take a little bit of time for him and Aaron Rodgers to get on the same page. And it might be that they don't have the preseason together because it sounds like all three of them might sit for the entire preseason because they're both kind of dealing with injuries right now. I'm just a little bit worried. You know, Rodgers loses his little safety blanket if Ken Gainwell, he knows DK Madcalf. So he gets the ball to him a little sooner in the season. Now as the season goes along, Pittman might rise up and be the wider receiver one in this offense. But I think to start the season, Aaron Rodgers is going to get the ball to the guy he knows. I figure on to something there for sure. I mean, we have seen that throughout his entire career is that like he is in a big fan of new people like he does like that relationship. But I just see Pittman. I don't know man. There's something about Pittman that just like feels like Rodgers receiver like where DK Madcalf is like the afraid to get his Jersey dirty kind of playing outside speed and finesse like. Pittman is that guy that'll go across the middle and like you feel like he just like we'll get rocked and then just like stand up and like wipe the blood off his mouth and like line up and do it again on the next play like. And I think that there's something there that just like feels like a Rodgers receiver. So that's kind of what I'm going after here is just like I think that Pittman being that across the middle of the field guy. I think that he target or he profiles to get more targets where I think you know it's very similar to like the Parker Washington Brian Thomas Jr. thing that we talked about like very complimentary skill sets. And this is one where I just have always kind of had questions about DK's route running ability. I think Pittman is just a more well-rounded receiver and a very good fit for that across the middle of the field work that this offense demands. Yeah, one other thing. Shout out Steve Smith. You know we'll talk people that have been on the field before. Why do you see we're for the Panthers in the Ravens and like two other teams I think. But he did the comps. He said listen DK Metcapp is a lot more than Devon say Adams where listen if you like that touchdown dependent over the middle of the field get the ball in their sands receiver. There you go. But he said that Pittman was a lot like Jordy Nelson and Jordy Nelson was one of my favorite fantasy players because Rodgers just hyper target at him. He always found his way to even to get in the end zone. He got you fantasy points on Sundays. So take that comparison with you. Well Steve Smith knows you know pretty well. He played he played the leaf for quite a few years. So let's talk one more question inside of this tier. You know we've talked about some of our favorite targets. We've talked about the upside and downside. We've talked through a handful of teammates situations. But who is one player in this tier Joey that you just do not find yourself drafting relative to ADP that when you're on the clock you see this player and you just like for whatever reason just are not clicking that name. I'm not buying into Michael Wilson. I mean his ADP is fine. It's really not that bad. I was expecting him to get hyper you know just shoot up before he did. Yeah inflated there we there's the word I'm looking for. I haven't had lunch yet. He finished the wide receiver 12 last year and but a lot of that came because Marvin Harrison Jr. was not on the field. A lot of that became from his injury not being there and McBride's also going to be there. Marvin Harrison Jr. getting involved just a little bit crowded. I can't see him returning the same value even close to the same value had last year. But the ADP is not too bad. I just for whatever it is. I just will not press draft on him. Maybe I should have to get him on a couple teams but I haven't at all the seal off season yet. He's another like I could have talked about Michael Wilson on the episode of Jason Wood last week. Players we've changed our mind on like I was not drafting Michael Wilson at all in the early part of the off season. But the the the drum beat has been so loud in Arizona's camp and I'm not trying to say that you're right or wrong Joey. It's just like one of those like I kind of started having that like FOMO a couple of weeks ago like where I started hearing all of this good buzz on Michael Wilson. I'm like I've been drafted a lot of Marvin Harrison and what if I'm wrong. So then I started kind of like mixing some Michael Wilson in there. We're hearing about him being in the Pukinakua role. You know we're hearing that he is just besting Marvin Harrison Jr. And then I got to listen to a guy like Matt Waldman who does like fantastic film work and says that he thinks that Michael Wilson is a better receiver than Marvin Harrison Jr. He's also got the report with Jacobi Brissette who is named the starter. So I'm not saying that you're right or wrong by any means like I had that same apprehension that you did about Michael Wilson earlier in drafts. But for whatever reason just like over the last three weeks I have been doing a lot of like what if I'm wrong builds and getting Michael Wilson on some of my rosters. Well you're a lot braver than I am Dave. We've established this you hike up mountains and I watch movies. So there you go. Well let's talk about the final tier that we're going to do on the YouTube episode. But we have a lot more to discuss that you can find over on the audio section of this show. So Apple Podcasts wherever you listen to Spotify. I know there's other other platforms out there as well. You can find us discussing tiers nine and ten over there. But we're going to wrap up the YouTube side of the show on tier eight. And here we have McIleman, Stefan Diggs, Wondale Robinson, Dejon Stribling, and Alec Pierce. I think we got to start talking about the Shaun Stribling. This has been kind of like the the mascot of the football guys fantasy football show this off season. We have been talking about this guy non-stop since the NFL draft ended. How high could you see yourself moving him if his ascension continues? We got good word out of the early parts of camp and awesome preseason game like how high can we keep moving this guy? So you talk about drum beats. This guy's like a drum line because they just keep drum roll. Yeah, just the beats keep coming. For me, the line is Watter 345 with Michael Wilson. I don't know if I can go higher than that. Maybe I should. Maybe I should just be more brave and go higher than that. But you know, he is a rookie coming into the league. But man, I mean, you mentioned the highlight reels in training camp and then the preseason game. It's undeniable that he's going to be involved in this offense this year and the substations taking people by the day. It's tripling can stay on his feet. We have seen the San Francisco 49ers offense get into the red zone. They find ways to score. They are always competing. Stribbling is going to be highly, highly involved. We've already lost Ricky Pearson. Christian Kirk and Mike Evans are just walked down the street away from just being out for the for the rest of camp. So I am highly, highly invested in Stribbling. I took him in round 12 and my homely draft and was like back flipping. But I am reaching for him. Round 10, 11, maybe I'll go nine. That's what we did last Tuesday. Last Tuesday, we took him in round 10 and like, it felt like a reach at the time. But then we looked back at the team after and we're like, you know, we took him in round 10, but we took him as our wide receiver five where we get the stash him on the bench. And it's like, I don't know if you're getting a wide receiver five with that much upside, that latent draft anywhere else. We talked Malik neighbors at the top of the show of like a complimentary wide receiver to put with Malik neighbors. And this might be the one because we know that the 49ers are dealing with injuries already. George Kiddell sounds like he's going to be out there week one. But he might not be. I mean, who's recovered that quickly other than George Kelly. He's a madman, apparently beer powers him. I don't understand how it works. George Kiddell, but I'm very proud of you, buddy. Yeah, it's Stribbling. It's, I don't know what else to go. We can say about him. We haven't said already. Yeah. I mean, it's almost at the point, Joey, and I don't know, like, you know, we've been doing this for a handful of years now. We've been doing this for quite some time, but like it kind of sucks when all of your favorite targets just get steamed up so high, like right before draft season starts. Like, you know, you go back and listen to shows from once ago when we were saying draft is on Stribbling, draft draft Jonathan Brooks, like all of these guys that we really, really liked are now going six rounds earlier than they were when we made that content about them so it's kind of a tough balance of like how high you want to move them up draft forwards how much you want to chase that steam and when you're out but for whatever like you know for what it's worth like I've got him as my wide receiver 44 you've got him as or I'm sorry I've got him as my wide receiver 46 you've got him as white your wide receiver 49 is ADP is still wide receiver 57 so we are still both very ahead of ADP so still a guy you know granted he has moved up into ADP but we are still reaching for the john stripling to get him on teams and I think that you're kind of spot on like if he starts getting to the point where people are drafting him ahead of Michael Wilson and Michael Pittman and Josh Jones and Jaden Reed then we probably have to pump the brakes but as long as he's fallen behind those guys like I am willing to just aggressively reach for this guy ahead of Wondale Robinson and Alec Pierce and Casey concept you own Jaden Higgins and all these other guys that we're going to talk about later on the show like this is a guy that I think has elite upside like can be a top 10 top 15 wide receiver and we saw those skills translating in his first preseason game and this might be a more of a draft philosophy thing but like you're rattling on off names like Jaden Reed and and I like those guys and Michael Wilson and I might just take my quarterback when I would normally take it and just wait and get stripling later because I'm just as happy with stripling and I mean that's kind of the one of the beauties of drafting with tears and value based drafting is you know like you know I'm not really crazy about this this group right here let me take my quarterback let me take my second or third running back at some point and then you get tripling late and if you're that happy with him that's kind of where I'm at it was just like yeah and I'd rather just wait and get stripling well let's talk about Alec Pierce because he has been a very prominent name in news stories lately you know got a PRP impact injection and then we find out that it wasn't actually a PRP injection but you'd see some of the atrophy in his leg you seem still limping around a little bit they say that they hope he's going to be ready for week one I mean there is a lot of uncertainty here and I did this injury episode with Adam Hutchison a couple days ago where he is like terrified of what's going on with Alec Pierce so are you still drafting him at cost at cost yes he was going like round four a few weeks ago I mean there was literally a few weeks ago and as training camps happen it sees really falling down around the middle of round seven even the seven eight turn but at cost I will still take out still take out of Pierce because I think you can grab a few guys to get your season started because one thing I do know is that the Colts did pay this guy to be their wide receiver one and whenever he steps on the field it might take a week to shake some rust but once he gets on the field he will be the wide receiver one for this team or at least hyper targeted like he's going to be so because I am still taking him at cost now I was in a draft where he went round six and I was just like nope I'm not going to touch him there but the further he goes draft towards the more comfortable I get and this is one where and maybe I've just got like a different outlook on this team I think Tyler Warren is the wide receiver one here and I think that what Alec Pierce has to do to the offense like what he brings like the offense doesn't function properly without Alec Pierce I think that his ability to stretch defenses vertically opens up the underneath stuff for Josh Downs and for Tyler Warren to operate so I think they need Alec Pierce out there and of course we've seen like the upside is huge Alec Pierce had a huge year last year and I think that he deserved the contract that he got but I feel like you know everything kind of starts clicking when he's out there so my fear isn't even like so much Alec Pierce in his recovery it's that if Alec Pierce isn't out there that Josh Downs can get shut down that Tyler Warren can get shut down and behind those guys like there's nobody like this is a very very shallow receiver room so they need him out there I personally haven't been drafted in Alec Pierce at cost all that much but I have been drafted a ton of Josh Downs and it's a ton of Tyler Warren and I want to see him back out there just because I think that the entire offense starts clicking on also the draft in a lot of Daniel Jones drafted Jonathan Taylor like these are all players that I think are in their best situations when Alec Pierce is out there but let's continue on this tier for just a little bit more Stefan Diggs you know we both have Terry McLean well ahead of Stefan Diggs but I think Stefan Diggs were both ahead of consensus on as well so my question is we have seen Terry McLean a big faller in ADP over the last couple of weeks how much do you think Stefan Diggs here impacts Terry McLean? Not at all I I was waiting all off season for a wider receiver two to come in here or a second true second option to come in at the commanders so I didn't really move McLean down too much who I do think this hurts and we'll kind of get into it here in a couple of weeks we get into our tight end episode as Chico Conquo because up until a week and a half ago it looked like Chico is going to be why there's basically the second option in this passing game and I think that is who's going to see the most get hurt by this the most McLean and Diggs I think we're going to have plenty of options to both feed in this offense so I'm not worried about McLean at all and you know that's something Andrew Cooper talks about all the time that if you're looking for a breakout late-round tight end you want to find the guy that projects to be first or second on his team in targets and I think now with McLean and Diggs out there he would almost need an injury to one of those guys to come the number two option on this team so it does like Chico Conquo was what I favorite late-round tight end targets a month ago and I don't find myself drafting him as much now all right Joey let's move on to tier nine and this is a we got some rookies we've got some old guys we've got just a a weird little hodgepodge of guys here but these are all still guys that are being drafted in fantasy football drafts just like your standard 12 team redraf leagues these guys are still getting drafted so we need to discuss them and in this year we've got Casey Concepcion which I'll talk about that all right we got Casey Concepcion Jaden Higgins Jalen Coker Romeo Dubs Matthew Golden Xavier worthy Debo Samuel Jr. I don't know why I said junior that was weird it's Debo Samuel senior but like I've never I'm not one said that senior in my life yeah Debo Samuel Jr. if there is one he's got to be what six years old or something anyway Clio Shkir and Denzel Boston rounding out this tier Joey at cost who is your favorite player to target inside this year it's and you're gonna not gonna like this Dave it's Clio Shkir I'm gonna go back to the well here DJ Moore coming into this offense to be the number one I think maybe Clio Shkir gets to be where he should be and that's a wide receiver to in an offense DJ Moore stretching the field more often will allow Shkir to get underneath and get a lot more targets hopefully in this offense so it's secure that I think at value because he's going later than a lot of these guys in this tier the one that I like to grab the most I can't push back too hard on there I think that DJ Moore there should open things up for Clio Shkir man I just can't like Jalen Coker I understand it is a run first team and Teteromic Millen is going to get his 28 to 30% target chair but I do feel like even though they run a lot of anti-sets there's a lot of five-boy receiver stuff out there there's a lot of you know a run first philosophy from Dave Canalis I can't help but feel like Jalen Coker can really emerge as that like very strong secondary receiver in Carolina so I've been liking him quite a bit as well then also Casey can steps you own you know I kind of was going to joke about his name did you hear this like why he goes by Casey does you see like it's Kevin his name is Kevin so Kevin Concepcion Casey isn't that like the whole like ATM machine thing like you don't say ATM machine it's just an ATM and like him going Casey Concepcion it's like Kevin Concepcion Concepcion like he's got to work on that name I think we had to just like drop the C and he's a I don't know Casey Kevin Concepcion K-Concepcion but this Casey Concepcion I don't know if this works yeah it's like when we say PPR points it doesn't make any sense we we've already said it exactly yes so we got we got something's got to talk to Casey about this and get this one figured out a little bit but I'm sure you saw the highlights from him in that preseason game I mean this is an electric player and like I know that there are a lot of concerns about the Browns but if he is going to be a featured focal point of this offense which I expect him to be like there's really fun allure in drafting Kevin Concepcion yeah so Concepcion is the one that I do like overdends up bossing because I think the guy that speedy gets off the line quickest and gets the ball in his hands is the one you're going to want to have in this Browns offense to kind of minimize the amount of mistakes that the quarterbacks can make one of my hot takes this year's I think we're going to see all four of the Browns quarterbacks strut out there this year we're going to see the Shawn Watson we're going to see Dylan Gabriel Shedor Sanders is going to get in there and the listen I think we're going to get to like week 16 17 and tail and greens going to run out there but a guy like Concepcion isn't as impacted kind of why don't really mind Harold Fanon this year we'll get into Titans in a future week but Concepcion would be the one I'd want but you know a big body receiver with nice hands and Denzel Boston could still be valuable as well yeah and we will save Titans for a couple of weeks we're doing quarterbacks next week and then Titans the week after so saving the best for last perhaps or just saving the the easiest for last as our workload ramps up gotta do in the the hard part first here talking about these very in-depth deep positions another guy I want to talk about in this year though Joey is Matthew Golden there's been a lot of buzz and I tweeted this few days ago I said that I did not like Matthew Golden as a prospect but then the training camp drum beat heading into his rookie season got so loud that I couldn't ignore it I moved Matthew Golden up my line in my rankings I started drafting him as we got closer to week one and he ended up being a huge bust his rookie season and now going into year two wanted nothing to do with Matthew Golden but now we're getting this strong drum beat out of camp I moved him up a few spots in my rankings I've started doing some what if I'm wrong drafts for a mix and Matthew Golden in there how do we know if this drum beat is legit or not these to be a real country day we used to give our water seeers three years to break out. You know? And I think, you know, we expect all these players to come in year one and just, and just excel in your one. And it just doesn't happen for everybody. I mentioned this with Christian Watson. I do buy into what these Green Bay Packers have done with their pass catchers where they have confidence in these three wider sievers and Tucker craft. And they've gotten away from having like, we're going to have 12 different wider sievers we're going to target in this offense this year. They've kind of hyper focused it on taping wicks moved on as well as Romeo dobs. Like those are two very good wide receivers that they let walk like they didn't have to. They could have kept them on the team and kept it a cluster. Yeah, we're there. But they didn't. So yeah, no, I buy into Matthew Golden. There is a little bit of a toe injury that's been mentioned, but I don't think it's going to be that much of a factor. Yeah, I'm going to add them about that. Yeah. I feel like I'm going to regret this. Like anytime I don't like a player and then I move them up because of training camp was I almost always regret it and I find myself doing that right now with golden. But it's one of those like I do see like, you know, really good speed and he's got the draft capital that we care about and, you know, a condensed target tree. I am still though. And I think you're here as well. Like you still prefer Jaden Reed to Matthew Golden, right? I do. And I'm a little worried that, you know, with last week's preseason game with Reed, but one preseason game. I can't, I can't put that much stock into it. So let's talk about kind of the old man of this tier. Debo Samuel. What are your expectations for him now that he's back with San Francisco? I mean, he had a quiet wide receiver 28 season last year. Like nothing spectacular, but you know, he looked good last year as efficient to begin to drop though. He's, I feel like the first wide receiver we've talked about today to where he does get rushing work as well. And we know this 49ers offense can get players really creative. So my expectation for Debo is to kind of fill in the holes that start coming up, you know, we saw, we keep here, saw get put out for the season season ending surgery. And they just bring Debo Samuel in. So I just think he's going to be a perfect hole filler wherever they need it to happen for week to week. Yeah. I, I, sorry, perfect hole filler. That's just through me for a little bit of a loop there. Sorry. Not usually lost for words, but Debo Samuel, the perfect hole filler. Anything else that you'd like to discuss from this tier, Joey, right? Any names that you've lost over me. Let me take a look. No, the rest of them are trash. No, they're not. I mean, there are a lot of guys in here that like are being drafted that I just can't really get behind, but we don't have a lot of major dissensions in this year. We are very much so aligned with our takes on a lot of players here. This last year though, tier 10. This is where we have our biggest dissensions of any tiers, like we have multiple guys with double digit gaps in our rankings. And let's start at the top here. We got Jalen McMillan, Travis Hunter, Jerry Judy, Trey Tucker, Rashid Shaheed, Trey Harris, Rashad Bateman, Adam Mitchell, Omar Cooper Jr. and Jalen Naylor. The biggest sentient we've had of any player that we've talked about so far today is Travis Hunter. I've got him as wide receiver 53. You've got him as wide receiver 69 and I crazy for still drafting Travis Hunter at the end of my fantasy drafts. You keep asking me if you're crazy Dave. I'm never going to call you crazy. I'm not. It's really crowded in Jacksonville. That's what I'm worried about. And I'm worried he's fourth on the pecking order. And there's not many wide receiver fours and offences that really step up to stand out. So when I'm pulling from this range, I've got a guy like Jalen McMillan. He's kind of the top of the tier and this little tier for me. And I just think there's opportunity for Jalen McMillan to really step up and damp a bay where you're hearing some good stuff. There might be a little injury concern, but I think you can get that worked out by week one. So I just feel like there's a more of a path to success for a guy like Jalen McMillan. They compared to a guy like Travis Hunter. But to your credit, we could be an injury away. And nobody has the draft capital on the Jacksonville Jaguars like Travis Hunter does. So I'm talking about being an injury away. It's not that we're waiting for one player to get injured. And I think that's what I keep going back to with Travis Hunter is that there are three paths to contingent upside here. Maybe even four if you want to throw Brenton Strange in there, like that if Brenton Strange goes down, we might see more four wide receiver sets. But like if Jacobi Myers goes down, if Brian Thomas Jr. goes down, if Parker Washington goes down, those are all chances for Travis Hunter to see an expanded role on offense. And I will say as well, like I like Travis Hunter much more in best ball than I do in redraft. You know, it might be tough to predict what his use is just going to look like on a week to week basis. But when you can just draft him in a best ball tournament. And when he has that random game with a hundred plus yards in a touchdown, that'll count for you, you're just getting huge weekly upside from a guy like this that I don't know if anybody else in this tier is really providing you. So, you know, I talk about that that Travis Hunter, a guy that I like in best ball. Are you sure you have to in any of these guys in a home league setting, you know, like let's just say you're standard three wide receiver, flex, handful of bench spots. Or do you think we're kind of in the weeds now where this is like your deep league best ball special type of receivers? Well, Rashad Baitman is a guy I'm taking late and pretty much my last or second to last round. You know, we're just a season removed from nine touchdown season where he finishes the wide receiver 34 and played 17 games. If he stays on the field, we pray nothing happens to Z flowers, but if something happens to Z flowers, that's a set of hands that Lamar Jackson knows and does trust to some degree. Declan Doyle has been scheming him up, moving around on the field. I really like drafting Rashad Baitman because I don't think there's any risk to taking him at this point. He'll be like your first guy you drop. But if he hits, you can have flex value right there on day one of your draft. That's in the 15th round. That's amazing. And I will say, you know, I've been a heavy Rashad Baitman drafter as well. Can't possibly ignore the drum beach. Kobe Lane has been getting like this guy has been the star of camp had himself a nice preseason game as well. But I still think that Baitman probably edges him out as the wide receiver to there. So I'm still holding the down with Baitman ahead of Kobe Lane in my rankings, but something to keep an eye on. Last question, Joey, favorite pick in this range. And let's stick kind of with best ball here because of course, you know, everybody's going to pick their flavors at the end of the draft guys that they want. I would recommend, you know, just from like a roster construction standpoint, like I want to have strong enough wide receivers that when I'm at this point in a managed league, this is where I would much rather draft pink bigs, bees and Ray Davis's and Jonah Coleman's and Mike Washington's and Katron Allen's and these guys that are like an injury away from a big workload in a backfield, but in best ball, I do prefer kind of saving these late round picks for wide receivers. So who would be your favorite target in this range? I want boom, baby boom. And there's a legion of boom that plays in Seattle. This guy's not a part of that legion of boom. But it's the same team. I tried to connect. There's a sheet to heat. You got it. My good buddy Dave Richard over at CBS. It's one of his sleepers this year. We're either going to get a kickoff return for a touchdown in the game or a 87 yard bomb. That could happen once every four weeks. And when it does happen, that's double digit fantasy points every time that happens. So my perfect fit for best ball of the Rashid sheet. I like that too. And Ed and I Mitchell is probably another one. I mean, of course Travis Hunter is my favorite. And we already talked about him a little bit, but love Rashid sheet. Also Ed and I Mitchell will have an a strong camp. You know, kind of plan is that couple of men or a guy across from Garrett Wilson. I think there's fun weekly upside there as well. And neither of those guys, like I'm probably never starting with sheet to heat in a standard redraft league where I have to manage a lineup, probably not starting at an I Mitchell either. But when you're looking for that big play upside, the weak winning upside in best ball, those are both guys worth targeting. Well, Joey did our running backs last week. We did our wide receivers this week. Those are two deep, difficult positions to talk about next week. We're going to do quarterbacks. The week after that, we're going to do tight ends. And then my guys and then the season is here. Like, can you believe it? Like we are three weeks away from kickoff. This is wild. I cannot believe we've made it. I can't believe I've made it. I'm excited though. Like quarterbacks. I love talking quarterbacks. So I'm looking forward to talking about that next week. I've got a pretty good little, not going to suit my horn too much. But I've got this uncanny ability to kind of get these late round guys and just kind of pinpoint which one last year I held on to them with Stafford and Trevor Lawrence. I want to know my guys are this year. I think you'll have to tune in next week to find out. Yeah. You have been a little bit of a quarterback. I feel like we have a really nice balance here. Like we all do well overall in rankings. But like it is just kind of worked out that like I am very good at running backs in tight ends. Jeff Bell is very good at wide receivers. You are very good at quarterbacks. And with that, like you you assemble it together. And I think that's why we can comfortably call ourselves one of the most accurate podcasts out there. I mean, like we all kind of have our niche and yours is definitely quarterbacks. So I'm thrilled to see who those late round targets should be last week. But Joey, any final thoughts on wide receivers on running backs? You know what? Actually, before we log off, I do want to shout out a league that you and I are both in with the cast of Wicked. I know you got a chance to meet those guys a couple of weeks ago. I got a chance to meet them this weekend and just some great, great guys was able to see that matinee performance on Saturday. And it was unbelievable. But such a fun time getting to a, you know, we talk all the time, like fantasy football is fun. And we love watching football and all that. But it's like the community behind fantasy football and how it like brings people together. You know, I was able to like just make my wife's life by getting her on a Broadway stage, getting the backstage tour and all that and also meeting three great people. So huge shout out to Matt Dan and Travis who took that time over the weekend. That was a lot of fun. I know you've had that same experience. Yeah, I met Travis had a wedding like six years ago before I was in the industry. So it's been really fun for my relationship with Travis for Travis was on tour with Wicked at the time. He wasn't out on Broadway and I was not in the fantasy industry. But we were two guys at a wedding that our wives were in the wedding and we were kind of on the side. And we, I pulled up my phone to look at my fantasy roster. It's a key play fantasy football. And that was the conversation. Flash forward years later, I'm in a league with like four guys, some wicked, and I'm a huge Broadway guy too. So like, I found my way there at some point in life. But when we established that dynasty league last year, they wanted to start a second league. And they were like, hey, man, uh, and it was just a fracture that set it to. So it's hilarious. He's like, so you think a clue you'd want to play? That's like a really good Matthew Farcher impression. And I was like, yeah, I can ask him Dave joint. And yeah, like I got to do the backstage tour and all that last year. And it's incredible. But yeah, I love going to New York and seeing those guys shout out to the villains league. Yeah. Cool. I'm glad you shouted that out. I'm glad you had a good time in New York. I was, I was excited friendly. This is a fun time of year too. We're like, you can absolutely like make connections through fantasy football, whether it's like somebody that you're in a league with or something. And I don't know about you, Joey, but like I over here so many fantasy football conversations this time of year, like Emily and I will be my wife and I will be like getting dinner and I'll hear like people at a table over talking about fantasy football. And like the other day, I was waiting on a subway and I heard two guys talking about fantasy football and one of them was saying like Aaron Jones is going to be a league winner this year, bro. Like, he's, you know, I'm just drafting him. Like I'll wait on running back and just get Aaron Jones in round 10 and feel like I got a top 10 guy right there. I don't know about you, but it takes like everything in me not to just like interject myself into that conversation and be like, well, actually, you know, I'll start talking to him. So I do my best to bite my tongue, but like, this is the time of year. You can just feel it in the air like you're walking through grocery stores and restaurants and wherever and like you just hear fantasy football conversations buzzing. And that's how you know that like we are officially in the thick of it. The season is going to be here before we know it. Yeah, absolutely. I'm excited for it. Yeah, those conversations are funny when they happen. I tend to just love to talk to people. So I find myself interjecting probably more than you do. But my favorite is when they're like, well, how would you know if I give an opinion? And I'm just like, it takes everything I have not to be like, well, you know, I spend a lot of my my work day on doing this. That's why they call me Joey Wright and not Joey wrong. What a thank everybody for taking the time today. I'm just giddy man. Like I'm giddy. I can't believe the season's almost here. So much fun. Like, you know, I don't know about you. Well, like even even the Hall of Fame game, like I begrudgingly turn it on, like it's the Hall of Fame game. And then like as soon as I hear Toreco and Collinsworth in the booth, I'm like, it is here. I'm ready. So it is here. It's going to be here before we know it. Just a few weeks left. Hope you stick around with us between now and week one. I want to thank y'all so much for taking the time to tune in and we will see you soon.