Why Voters Delivered the Blue Tsunami, the Shocking Dem Margins, and the WORST New Senators, with RealClearPolitics | Ep. 1434

Welcome to the Megan Kelley Show live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at Neast. Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelley, welcome to the Megan Kelley Show. Wow, what a night. It was a blue tsunami after all, and this morning, the Republican Party is in ruins. And maybe it needed to be. The choice now for Republicans is to reflect, rebuild, and reinvent in the image of no man. They're going to have to do it on their own. They're going to have to learn how to win without daddy on the ballot and to find their ethical center and not just be puppets of trumps, not to have their entire political world revolve around Donald Trump. That is one of the things that the voters told them last night were sick of the fact that you don't act like an independent branch of government. You happen to be the first branch. And we expect you to act as one of the separate powers as the founders envisioned. This was one of the things they said in the exit polling that they did not believe Congress was doing an adequate job acting as a check on presidential power. The whole system is designed to have three different branches, each of whom can check the other in their own way. The electorate that turned out whether you were young or old, black or white, Hispanic, Asian, male or female, Republican or Democrat or independent, told the Republicans they were disgusted with them. They were disgusted. It wasn't like your mildly annoying, we're not really in your camp anymore. It was fuck off. You have betrayed us. So all bets are off now. Trump sent out a post this morning reminding us that he is still our president in name he is. And let's not get ourselves. There's a lot he can do in the forum policy front from that position domestically. His agenda is now over. That piece of his presidency, the domestic piece of it is effectively over. He has absolutely no one who is going to work with him in the U.S. Congress unless he becomes a Democrat, unless he starts legislating like a Democrat. The Democrats who were elected last night, many of them are DSA types who are more radical than the previous Democrats. I don't know how much of an appetite there's going to be to work with Donald Trump. He will either bend to their will or there will be no legislation that goes forward. They're not going to bend to his. They actually did just win in a mandate in a landslide election. So Donald Trump has been hobbled by the events that happened last night and the Republican party has as well and they did deserve it. I'm sorry. President Trump did a lot with his pen and his phone, the executive order, many of which we applauded him for, many of those things. But the truth is that the American people are hurting, have remained hurting and were not helped by this president or his policies. And instead of him focusing like a laser on doing something to actually help them and let's be honest, at two years into it now, we see those tariffs are not on the list of things that helped them to the contrary. They appear to have really hurt people in border states like Michigan and in states that depend on agriculture like Iowa. And they had their say about those consequences last night not to mention people in agriculture who have been suffering thanks to the fertilizer problems coming out of the street of hormones and so on. These are presidential decisions that he made and the Republicans did not stand up to him. They were not, they did not vote in favor of raining in his war powers. Here's a question about whether that would have been constitutional at all, given the way the Constitution structures power, but they didn't even try. They, you know, most Republicans sat by and said nothing as Thomas Massey was voted out of the US House, who was a vocal critic of these decisions. MTG was bullied out as well by Trump, who was a vocal critic of decisions like the Iran war and just the drum beat for war in general. And now the Republican Party is going to have to get really honest with itself because Trump's power to primary you and threaten you has been eliminated. What is left right now of Maga, of Kour Maga? It is a shadow of its former self because what Kour Maga has basically told us and Donald Trump put words to that today is it is irrelevant unless Trump is on the ballot and Trump will never be on the ballot again, never on the ballot again. So if that's true and that's what Donald Trump says, OK, Donald Trump is the one who says Maga does what he wants it to do and that had he been on the ballot, there would have been a different result. But without him on the ballot, Maga can't win. Then that means the Republican Party is in pieces that the Republican Party and the Republicans who are not considered Maga are no longer beholden to any one group because guess what, they don't have your back, but just forget it, forget about yesterday's factions, forget about old establishment, forget about Maga, forget about Neocon, forget about non interventionist, you got to rebuild my friends, start from scratch, figure out what worked in the past and start cobbling together something ethical that bears some resemblance to a party with the moral center that understands the mood of the country. And we really mean it is anti-war and anti-mittiest wars in particular. Most people who are Republican voters want a robust strong military and we want to be ready to use it defensively if necessary. But we don't want a bunch of fucking bullshit about how Iran is two weeks away from getting a nuclear weapon, months after you bombed their three main nuclear facilities into oblivion. We don't want it. We don't want to be lied to. We don't want to risk American blood and treasure on another Middle East field. We want legislators who are focused on the problems of the most suffering Americans. Of the working class Americans who time after time, try to vote in leaders who will actually help them who will not be focused on AI data centers and how many jobs they can eliminate thanks to bots in favor of AI bots. They don't want to elect somebody who promises them that they understand the objection to these elite globalist government concentric circles of power that cover up for pedophiles etc like Epstein and then when they get into office say Epstein, who cares about Epstein, you're still talking about what does stop gaslighting us. If you don't care about Epstein, then tell us, I don't give a shit about Jeffrey Epstein move on while you're running. Don't through your surrogates and all the people that you are going to elevate into power tell us you do care and then make us feel like assholes when we actually want you to care. We vote for you, we put you in office and then you turn around and say I don't, that promise, that rhetoric was untrue, my rhetoric about no more wars was untrue. What I had on every arena around the arena Trump will fix it was untrue. Stop going on camera and celebrating how much money quote, we are making when you know the average person cannot take a damn vacation. The red barren guy speaks for way more Americans than Donald Trump does right now. The guy who missed the kids going to bed by an hour couldn't pay his mortgage had to be back on the job at 5 a.m. the next morning. That guy doesn't give a shit how much money you're making or the tech bros are making the crypto millionaires, the AI companies, the trillionaires, they don't care. They need actual help. And they're so desperate for it, they just voted back into power. The very party that caused their problems. See, we all have short memories because we go about leading our own lives. We focus on our jobs, we focus on the minutio, we focus on the bills that are piling up on our, on our desks, trust me, it's been a while since I've been in that position, but I remember it. I remember the sick feeling you get in your stomach when the bills come and you cannot pay them. And you see your credit card bill mounting because that's the only place you can go to actually pay your utility bills. And you know where this is going to lead. I, I've seen it happen to my mom, my poor sister, God rest her, my Nana. And when I was a young woman to me. And these people don't want to hear Trump talking about how much money we're making off of tariffs or whatever scheme he's got going when they see none of it. And don't think he's focused on it. When he does deviate off of that kind of economic messaging, which is not reassuring, he's talking about the reflecting pool or the ballroom or the pipes. Or one of his other vanity projects like the arch, there's a tone deafness to it that led to anger, anger. That's the message we got from the voters yesterday. The nonsense of this past year came to fruition last night. Trump launched an unnecessary war in Iran, in the Middle East. The very thing he promised us that he would not do, when that happened, he lost control of his party. Some large faction of his party turned on him and made that clear last night and you don't have to take my word for it, take the word of his own vice president. JD Vance just took to ex this morning in a long post, which is worth your time, said the following. One of the things the data analysts on our side obsessed over was composition, whether the electorate looked close enough to 2024 for Republicans to win. And he goes on and on, on sort of setting that up and then says, our voters actually did show up. They showed up last night in Florida. For example, the electorate was nine points more Republican than Democrat, just a couple points worse than 2024. Undoubtedly, there were places we could have done better on turnout, but the main problem was not turnout. The main problem is that many people who voted for Trump fans in 24 voted for Dems in 26. There will be a lot of infighting and arguing over what happened and why that is. One of the pollsters I really respect told me that our economic messaging wasn't sharp enough down the stretch. I'm sure that's true, but the real reason we lost is obvious to almost everyone. Another pollster, one of the smartest people I know in politics told me yesterday, we would lose the generic ballot by 13 points. I felt negative going into Tuesday, but even I was shocked by this. In his polling, he saw that a lot of Trump, 2024 voters were angry and planning to vote for Democrats, Trump, 2024 voters were planning to vote for Democrats. He asked them those voters who had abandoned us. What would cause them to come back on our team? The top four answers, accounting for nearly all of their responses were one, end the war, two, focus on the cost of living and inflation. Three, put America first for change our relationship to Israel. Our voters showed up. And the above four reasons are why many of them voted for Democrats. This is according to a pollster who nailed the results. While many spent Monday attacking Rachel Campos Duffy on Fox for calling for a diplomatic resolution to the conflict, it turns out her political advice was sound. She's also a great person, he writes. In the next few months, there's going to be a lot of gaslighting, expect to hear any number of establishment politicians say the solution to our woes is amnesty. I'm open to the idea that we should change enforcement by focusing more on businesses that hire illegal labor, for example, but anyone pushing amnesty is lying to you. The reason we lost is the war. The president himself said so last night, if you'd like to argue it was worth it, that losing the Senate for the next six years was worth it, then do so. Argu it was a worthwhile cost to pay, agree or disagree, that's at least honest. But everyone knows why we lost. And any honest conversation about where we go from here must start there. I remain hopeful about our country. To the people who are pissed off and want to say, I told you so, you're right. You did tell us so. Take that energy into electing Republicans who share your worldview to the people who are just pissed at the results you should be. Let's take that anger and get back to the work of saving our country. What happened this past year in response to Trump's behavior in the Middle East, you know as well as I do. The people who objected to it, Republicans, right leaning independence who objected to it were promptly attacked by the president and others as anti-Semites. President Trump didn't use that word, but Mark Levin certainly did anti-Semites, neo-Nazis. Because you can't criticize Israel or its role in getting us into this war and goading President Trump into this war for that President Trump is responsible. But there was a role without question, Marco Rubio admitted that right after we invaded that we did it for Israel. No, you said it, you were called an anti-Semite. You got trolled by bots unleashed on you by people registered as foreign agents for Israel here in the United States. Americans attacking other Americans for their honestly held opinions about a new Middle East war on behalf of Israel. That's what happened. And guess what happened from that point to this one? The Republican audience for all news Trump disappeared. Fox News's ratings have been in the dumpster. The right leaning podcast world had audiences disappear in the wake of that. No one had any interest or appetite in anything related to Donald Trump. It was a harbinger of things to come. Then they showed up and voted last night and said the same to him. We're no longer interested in the Trump show. We're over the antics, the grift, the making money off of the backs of the American people who just wanted you to help them. Not you, not yourself, not make your 1 billion go to 12. To surround yourself with a field of grifters who want to make money off of the presidency as opposed to serve be actual public servants in a humble role that was never meant to make someone a million or billionaire. It's incredibly disheartening and it's such a missed opportunity. It's such a missed opportunity by this president who had the world at his feet in his hands who had so many of us believing in him. I'm a registered independent. I'm more right leaning. I think than your average independent because when we hear how the independence feel, I'm always like, oh, how are they so easily swayed? But I'm not a Republican. I've been a registered Democrat. I've been a registered Republican and for the past 20 years, I've been a registered independent. That's where I will always be because I will never put back on a team jersey for either one of these parties and whom I do not believe. But the Republicans have an opportunity here. You know how like the new woke speak in schools if your kid is having a problem, they never have a problem. There's a real opportunity here. There's an opportunity for growth. And I do believe that this is finally the chance for the Republican party to not throw away Maga Core ideals, which are good, which are important and which Trump should be credited for thrusting upon the American people who refused to listen to him, upon the political class, which refused to listen to people like the working class suffering. But they need to take the good, discard the bad and come up with a new way forward. And they're going to have to find their own new charismatic, honest, ethical leader. You can't ride the Trump coattails anymore. They're non-existent. He cannot save you. He would have, this would not have gone differently had Trump been on the ballot because he effectively was. This was a referendum on him and his policies. So it's a lie. It's not true. It's Trump's spin to say it would have been a landslide for Republicans had he been on the ballot. That's just not true. Everyone knows he can't handle the truth about losing. He's allergic to that word. Of course he's blaming everyone other than himself. So far he's blamed Fox News. He's blamed the Republican candidates themselves. He has not taken any of the blame himself. Even though he spent the past three months telling everybody pretend I'm on the ballot. Now that they have, he ignores and forgets that advice. But the bottom line is that a message was sent and there is a chance to rebuild this party. That happened over and over and over again, where a party gets crushed, absolutely devastated in one election. And as short as two years later, they come back with a roar. But denying what last night was really about the economic suffering was number one by far, by far. The Iran war was huge, 74% of the people said it was a major or the critical factor in their vote. And why? Yes, because they objected to Trump launching a new war. But really it was the pain they were feeling domestically as a result of it. It was the gas prices, the diesel prices. Remember when Doug came on after he wrote his book, The Mysterious Case of Rudolph Diesel, which was all about Rudolph Diesel who invented the diesel engine and Doug told us how many pieces of the world economy and that includes ours are linked to diesel fuel, to diesel engines, planes, trains, automobiles. The major trucks on the roads, the major rigs on the ocean, the tractors, you name it, they all run on diesel, which has been over $7 a gallon. People cannot afford it and they saw it go up exponentially after the Iran war. Yeah, I don't, there's nobody who's independently in favor of the Iran War, other than the most ardently neo-con of the neo-cons. But regular folks who are like, I don't know what we're doing in Iran, I don't have the time to think about it. Do have the time to think about the fuel costs and they know that that caused them. So what we need now is honesty, radical honesty, radical. And what radical honesty means is you tell the truth all the time and there's no filter. I don't know about you, but that's where I am. That's where I've been for a long time. And I did lose some of my audience as a result of my opinions and my forecast on this issue, which I feel have been validated. But that's okay. That's fine. People have the right to make the call and whose opinions they want to hear and who they trust to tell them what's real and who they don't. We've settled now with our audience and we're in a very good place and I'm very grateful to all of you for it. But the Republican Party is not, not in a great place. However, as I said, it's an opportunity. Here's the current count. In the House, the Democrats have won 228 seats so far. They only needed 218 to come back to power compared to just 139 for the GOP. 68 seats have yet to be called by the Associated Press. The Cook political says the Dems are on pace to pick up around 30 seats. NBC News is projecting the Dems end up with 258, which would be the highest number for the Democrats this century. If that projection comes true, the Democrats would have an 81 seat majority in the House, 258 seats to the Republicans, 177, 258 to 177. In this Senate, it was far worse than virtually anyone predicted. The current count is 54 seats for the Democrats. They had 47 before, 54 seats for the Democrats, 44 for the Republicans who had 53. Alaska and Mississippi are too close to call and when we say they are too close, boy, do we mean it. In Alaska, the absurd, absurd Democrat Mary Peltola currently leads incumbent Republican Senator Dan Sullivan, 48.29, sorry, to 47.9, 48.2 to 47.9 with an estimated 74% of the votes counted. In terms of raw votes, listen to this, Peltola leads by just 626 votes, 626, which is far fewer than the 3583 votes for decoy Dan Sullivan. The fake Dan Sullivan has 3,500 votes, call it 3,600, because it's 3,580, something. 3,600 votes, and she is leading the real Dan Sullivan by some 600 votes. This is, it's working, Peltola's campaign plan is working, siphoning it off those votes that would have put the real Dan Sullivan potentially over the top. We'll see how it pans out. In Mississippi, which almost nobody paid any attention to, that was such a long shot, Lucy with the football, fool's gold type discussion, even 24 hours ago. Democrats aren't going to win a Senate seat. Mississippi, what are you talking about when you think about the deep red states? You think Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi, think again, 96% of the ballots are counted. The Democrat, Scott Cologne leads incumbent Republican Cindy Hyde Smith by 43 votes. And the outstanding vote is reportedly favoring him, the Democrat. So it looks very much at this hour, like we're about to have our first black senator from the state of Mississippi, and it will be a Democrat to whom no one paid any attention. We could have a 56 seat majority for the Dems, Nebraska is the only state in which the Republican hung on Pete Ricketts, who is a good guy, I know him. So we are very likely potentially looking at a 56 seat majority for the Dems in the Senate, in an election year in which the Senate map favored the GOP. It doesn't get easier for the Republicans in 28. It actually looked like it was going to be harder for them then, like that was the year. The Dems would have some real pickup opportunities as more vulnerable seats come on the market. The Democrats may not need to abolish the filibuster right now. They don't need to do that because they don't control the White House, so they're not going to be pushing a lot of legislation through that has any chance of passing. But if they run in 28 and actually have a real shot of getting the White House, they may not need to eliminate the filibuster. They may very well pick up another four seats and have a filibuster prove 60 vote majority in the U.S. Senate. And then my friends, all bets are off. Even if they just keep these 56 seats and win the White House, all bets are off. But the American electorate is sending a message and everybody, the Democrats and the Republicans damn well better listen. Joining me now are pals from Real Clear Politics. It comes on right before this show does on the serious XM channel 111, Tom Bevin, co-founder and president of RCP, Karl Kahn in the Washington Bureau chief and Andrew Wallworth, who is RCP's chief content officer. Good news. Birch Gold has extended the Veterans Day silver offer through November 11th. So act now to get a free one ounce silver coin for every $10,000 purchase. This silver coin features the American flag and the Gatson flag and is a reminder that you saw the writing on the wall and did something about it. You realized we cannot afford the interest payments on our national debt. You realized inflation is still a challenge and it's time to diversify into gold and silver. Text MK to the number 989898 today and speak with a Birch Gold precious metal specialist. They will help you convert an existing IRA or 401k into an IRA and gold and silver and then you will receive a free one ounce silver commemorative coin for every $10,000 you spend. But this offer ends on November 11th, diversify into gold and silver and get free silver. Text MK to the number 989898 that's MK to 989898 today. Hi guys, welcome back, Carl, I'll start with you when you make of my assessment of last night's results. Well, I there was the Iran word didn't help. I think there were a lot of other issues and you pointed out Donald Trump didn't give people the impression he cared about them. He gave the impression that he cared about himself and his own portfolio and his family's portfolio. There was an exit poll. They're calling them voter polls now, I guess, Megan because they do them for people, yeah, for people who voted early, who said, you know, do you think Donald Trump has his priorities or the countries? Like two to one, his priorities, and you think, I mean, let's take one issue because it's a minor issue. It's a symbol. This is symbolic issue. It matters to me, not to everybody, but to me, I'll throw this out to you. I'm curious what you think. Look, who have you ever heard of in their whole life, in or out of politics, who would say, I'm talking about the Kennedy Center now was, you would need to rename this building after me. I know it's named after a martyred present, but you need to rename it after me. If you don't, I'll close it down and maybe destroy it. To me, and he did that on all kinds of issues around, where do you ever heard of a person who does this kind of thing? He projected himself with men who would become as mad as a hatter. I think, and I'll say one thing about the rent work, because you and I don't see a hide eye on that. But I'll say one thing, not rebuttal to what you said, but in addition to what you said. I think the big problem with the rent work is that it didn't work, and it gave off this. Once a president gets the stink of incompetence about him, that's a hard thing to shake. And it reminded people when he ran for president, but I have to say, Carl, one thing, you're right. I agree. Well, you finish your point, but I just say it's, it's, yes, I agree with what you're saying, but many of us knew that would happen. Many of us who ran cover for president's launching middle east wars for 20 years over at Fox News understood they never work out. We always underestimate the way fighters in that region approach war and predicted from the beginning, it's not going to go well. It will be a quagmire. These are not resolvable. I grant that point, but, but, you know, let's apply it to Ukraine. Those are people who've been attacked. They're fighting for their country. When I'm talking about the competence issue, this is a guy who spends all this time. If you don't, if you don't call artificial intelligence superintelligence, your reporters can't cover me. He's now, so he's going to be the style editor of AP. If you don't call Gulf of Mexico, Gulf of America, you're out of the pool. Now I'm going to rename Lake Ontario. He acted like a guy whose ego had become, it was always big, but it was controlling him. And I think the Iran war, the incompetence is what I'm talking about now, the, you know, they ran out of munitions and then they fired people who said that it reminded people when he ran for president. he said, I will, the Ukraine, Russia war would never have happened if I'm president. I don't know who he's talking about, there's no evidence for that, but and I will end it in one day. In fact, I'll end it before I even inaugurate it. And I think the failures in Iraq reminded people, this guy has no idea what he's doing in foreign policy. Iran. He's, yeah, in Iran. He's sent over, you know, real estate pals to negotiate, who don't speak the language of, no, yeah, and I just, what I think is that people swing, certainly, certainly independent voters simply thought, this guy's no longer up to the job if he ever was. I think he lost, and the Iran war may have been the trigger there, but there are other things too. These tariffs that hurt farmers and you have this trifect in the farm, but we lose all those states, this needless trolling of Canada that started before he was even inaugurated the second time. I'm going to make them the 51st state. He was doing it because they're, their prime minister irritated him, and then these tariffs all across that northern tier, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota. These are states where people like, what is he doing? We don't hate Canada. We like Canadians. I mean, so I think it was just a, just a case, case by case, and Iran war is, is one very important, but one important point there. Before I give it to you, Tom, this is what the exit polls, as the person who did the exit polls for years for Fox on the air, one of my teammates just sent me video of 2006 midterm elections. I was there with Britt Anchoring, and I was doing the governor's races for Fox and talking about, in part, some of the exit polling there, but I would do that for Fox for many years before I came, became an anchor. They show the following. I think about your vote for Congress, how important to you was the cost of living. Crucial or a major factor, 89%, 89%, I mean, virtually everyone said that the cost of living was a crucial or major factor. The war in Iran, 74%, it was the number two issue in terms of importance to voters, said it was crucial or a major factor. The war in Iran, there's just no question. These two things were huge, absolutely huge for the electorate last night, and that's why one of the reasons why JD Vance is saying these are the takeaways. We lost because of the war. What we need to do is come up with a commitment to end it, focus on the cost of living in inflation, put America first and for change our relationship to Israel. I'm sorry. There's no more ignoring this issue. The Republican Party is going to have to deal with it right in its face. The Democrat Party's been already shifting on this front for a long time. The Republicans have said, no, no, no, no, we're ardently pro-Israel. We're not going to talk about the discontent around this war in Iran, you know, Trump launched it. We're going to back the president. Okay. Then enjoy losing. You can keep losing. You can lose the remaining C2 half. Yeah. I think that's right. I mean, look, this is the, we have the horseshoe populist movement that's going on now, right? Well, that with Trump and Bernie Sanders in 2015, I think it's even more pronounced now where voters want, whatever the party is, it doesn't even really matter. They want their elected leaders focused on them and fixing what's going on here. Stuff has gotten too expensive, whether it's health care, education, gas, food, whatever. People are paying way more. They're struggling and there's a lot of anxiety out there. And so when we're focused on whether it's, whether it's, you know, the golf course in Washington or, you know, bombing Iran, you know, voters ended up, I think, coming to the conclusion that I mean, Trump lost a lot of folks who voted for me. You go look at the swings from 2024 to now for the Republican party. They lost every single demographic, it doesn't matter which one you looked at, they swung to the Democrats. In some cases, usually we talked about, we talked about Latinos. That absolutely hurt, particularly in Texas, but other places. But Republicans lost men, men in this election by three points. That was a 17 point swing from 2024. They only won white voters, which was 70% of the electorate by four points. That was a 13 point swing. So and among young voters, a 32 point swing from, in some states in Texas, it was like 50. So it's, you know, Talleriko won by 50 points. And then you go look, you mentioned the exit polls, yes, those were the top two issues. But which party do you say is better handle, better able to handle the economy, Democrats plus seven, foreign policy, Democrats plus seven, healthcare, Democrats plus 20, immigration, that was the only issue that Republicans won on it was plus two, 43, 41, government corruption Democrats plus seven, artificial intelligence, Democrats plus three, transgender issue, which, you know, Republicans continued to spend a lot of time on Democrats plus 11, Democrats plus 11 on who's better able to handle policies about transgender people. So, look, I think Republicans, you know, and Trump, he took his eye off the ball for the last two years. And I think despite the fact that he flew around the country to tell everybody how great he were, the hottest economy in the world and blah, blah, blah, people had already tuned him out and they don't believe what he was saying to them because it wasn't reflective of what they were living on the day to day basis. I was reading the Karl Cannon piece on RCP this morning and he pointed out, Andy, I'll give this one to you, that three quarters of the electorate, I mean, three quarters said they were either angry or dissatisfied at this administration's policies. These are bad words to have the electorate showing up feeling in their hearts. And as JD Vance points out, a lot of them were Republicans who pulled the lever for Democrats whom, that, for whom that would have been unthinkable just a couple of years ago, angry and dissatisfied. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a bad numbers for sure. I think when I think of that JD Vance ex post, which really bears reading, the only thing that he didn't talk about was corruption, which I would put on that list as well. Right. And that would be awkward. Yeah, that would be awkward. But that certainly is where, you know, I'm surprised that the exit polls have got it only plus seven for the Democrats on that issue because I think that's a huge problem for this administration. I don't know how they fix that. I don't know how Vance runs away from that. That seems to be baked in the cake. So I think the corruption issue hurt them a lot more than Vance would allow at this point. But, you know, the other points and I think going back to what you were saying, I think everything you said makes sense to me. But everything we knew that didn't we all know that the economy was number one issue and the president should be concentrating on that. We knew that the war wasn't in public, we talked about it every time that all of a year. Yeah, time was an upset. Yeah, as the broadcasters are honest. So you guys are honest, look, but the, but the second thing the Iran war has, that has been the boogeyman that shall not be mentioned almost since it was launched. You know, they're, they're, the Republican audience didn't want to hear it. They were angry. He did it. And they, they were upset by it. And they kind of went into hiding over it until last night, in which case they came out and they pulled the lever for Democrats to send a message over it. You know, it's like the president was so aggressive toward anyone who criticized the decision that I do think he scared a bunch of Republicans into being silent. And last night, they weren't fair enough. I mean, there were Republican candidates out there who were moving away from the president on the war. It didn't seem to help them. I mean, that's, that's the, it's too little too late. Too little too late. And I think it's, I mean, it's hard to point to any one factor. This was such a blowout for the Democrats. It's kind of like the whole thing, as my mother would say. It's your whole attitude when she's telling you about us. And I think she, that's about it, it's your whole attitude. It was just a tone of blowout for the, you know, for the, for the, and we're. It was what Tiger Union was asking for, yeah, I guess it definitely was, it definitely was a perfect storm because, and, and I agree with you, Megan. I mean, I think the, look, the president, the guy was cast them and he started bombing around, right, because he, he demoralized the Republican base because that was one of his core promises. It's a reason a lot of people voted for him in the first place, said only stupid people get into wars in the Middle East and now he's being a stupid person. And then the follow on effect from that was gas prices shot up, right? He had just, at the state of the union, he had just been bragging about gas prices being under $2 a gallon in Iowa and, you know, it was a disaster under Biden. And like four days later, he bombs Iran and then gas is like $4 over $4 a gallon all the way through the election. So, and that obviously led in Fed right directly into voter concerns about the, you know, affordability inflation, all that stuff. And his ratings suffered because of that. And to your point, and this is the thing I was harping on for six months, you know, he never, they never focused on, they did an event here or there where they got some decent press, but they, they never focused on, you know, telling people, look, I'm, I'm, we We are laser focused on your concern. And we're doing everything we can every single day to try and bring them down, you know, Biden famously, I think in 2024, throughout that campaign, gasoline, the American people about it. And Trump was doing the same thing. It's the thing just, you know, we're the hottest economy in the world. Everyone's be like us and it's just people weren't believing it and they paid a significant price because of it. And now you're looking at a situation where, as you said, 56 Senate seats, including, you know, the South is now transformed at least for the next few years. And Republicans are going to look at 2028 and, you know, try and figure out how to get the next few years is going to be a mess for Republicans. They're going to be fighting each other. They're going to be fighting Democrats. They're going to be under investigation, administration, I mean, it's just going to be an absolute mess. And while we were talking about this on our show, I think that the DSAs take away from this is, hey, we can win anywhere. We can win a Michigan. We can win in Texas. Like all you centrist Democrats go sit in the corner and shut up. You know, don't, don't, they almost won in Florida. Yeah, we're off and running. I mean, and we're headed toward 2028. So I think Democrats, it's going to be a rough couple of years for Republicans. I think it got to get us to order it out or they're going to lose in 2028. And then, you know, if they have the, if Democrats have the presidency, the Senate and the House, I mean, it is, it's Katie Bar the door. Mm-hmm. Let me play you with Governor DeSantis said on Fox News about these results, 13B. Let's just be clear about what happened last night. This is close to an extinction level event for Republicans in many parts of the country. As we have seen probably in the last 100 years in January, when everyone in office leaves, who were either term limited or got voted out, of the 10 largest states in this union, only one state will have Republican control of their state, the state of Florida. And that does matter, Carl. What actually does matter, the, the, the conventional wisdom is that a governor can potentially, he can do things that can potentially affect the national vote in, say, a senatorial election or a house election by two to three points, just based on how the voting procedures are set up. The redistricting goes like the state policies are the ones that will draw those lines. And so it does matter absolutely that they have Democrats in the state houses in almost all those 10 states. And Ronnie D's running for president again. Yeah. That's what he started that when he started, he goes, let me, let me be clear. I thought he was going to say, I'm running because that's well, that was the clear message. Yeah. He didn't have to say it. But Megan, so here, yeah, he didn't have to say is that Donald Trump left the Republican party at dumpster fire in all these states, except this one state that I run. He almost made it a dumpster fire. But because of me, I was able to stave off the, the way that that's what he's saying. And it has the virtues, I think it's true. So, so JD Vance, he laid down his gauntlet. Ron Sanis is now done the same. Tom doesn't like it. He gets triggered when I mentioned Nikki Haley, but she was on TV this morning too. So the field is taking shape, you know, I guess the big question is what is Marco Rubio going to do. Megan, they were torturing. We've been saying, we've all been saying that today, because I'm on three hour sleep and Carl brought up Nikki Haley and Gavin Newsman in the same show and I literally almost like I break down. Carl. He's got a mean streak in him, Tom. No, but we've all been saying, right, that the mid, that the presidential election begins as soon as the midterms are over and man, I mean, I don't think even all of us understood it. It would literally be like the morning, the morning after. But why not? Given the Republican party sitting there in ashes, why wouldn't you come in, especially if you're on to San Francisco, say, hey, I'm a boy scout. I'm squeaky clean. I actually do have a model of winning down in Florida that's worked out pretty well. And the other thing he said, this was when he gave an interview to Stephen A yesterday the aired. It was he hid speaking you to your point, Andrew, on the grift. He's, he hit on that as well. Listen here to sought 13 C unlike JD Vance. He is in a position to speak to it all. When I got elected to Congress in 2012, the first thing I did I sold all my stocks. I've never traded a stock in elected office, not one time. You have some of these guys, they get to Congress, they've never has shown any financial acumen. All of a sudden, they're Warren Buffett. Just timing it right and they're making 50 grand, 60 grand here. How are we not banning the Congressional stock trading? Put it in a trust, put it in a 401k. Do some of those things. It's ridiculous. You look at the amount of money these people are making who are in the administration. Trump was a through criticizing Alina Habba. She's working for DOJ and she gets a $10 million a year contract. And then the guy that gave it to her got a presidential pardon somehow. So I think we have to be the party that's saying, you know what, our founding fathers believe you could have the best constitution in the world, the Declaration of Independence. The people in office don't display some civic virtue about public service as a sacrifice. It's not to use the public office for private gain. Yeah, you just got to imagine that. Only he's on a dius with JD Vance and Marco Rubo, you're whoever else in the primary debate. That's how he's going to run and I think he's definitely going to run. I think the thing to watch is who moves out of Florida, the DeSantis or Rubio to take him run together. That wouldn't be the question. Oh, yeah. Well, the problem DeSantis has, obviously he's not the greatest retail politician, but he's a Neocontam. And like this is what he was backed by the most Neocont faction of the Republican party last time around. Unless he comes out and moderates that, I think his candidacy is dead in the water before it starts. He's going to have to say something akin to what JD Vance said on those four points. He's going to have to because let me tell you something, you cannot win the national election. Never mind. You cannot win the Republican nomination as a Neocont now. I think even the most Neoconti Republicans in their heart of hearts, while they may be rooting for a Neocont, will understand that there's, there is not the national will to elect such a person to the presidency. So I mean, maybe those do something incredibly stupid, but you're telling me, yes, get over Neocontam. You have nothing to fear. Yeah, Carl. Do not worry. Yeah. Can we, can we, can we, can we stay with a grip? Wait a minute. Before I don't say anything, I know. Before you just want to say one more, one more thing. I just want to say one more thing. One more thing. I think Ron DeSantis will moderate. I think he will. I think it's going to be fairly easy for him to do that and to say, look, this was a mistake that we made, we shouldn't have done it. I think that's going to be easy for a lot of these Republicans. And you know, remember when Ron DeSantis ran the first time, I mean, I think he had the wrong theory of the case when he went up against President Trump, but, you know, remember how they used to make fun of him for like wearing cowboy boots and he had lifted his shoes and stuff. Like, it's not so, not so funny now. He's been a very good governor and he's run a good state and now he's, he's like the last man standing. I mean, given what happened last night and the way that this whole thing went down. Yeah. The other thing is you got to remember when we say this will never happen again, or, I mean, it can't happen. Two years ago, if I had said to you that there would be DS socialists, senators, three of them really, you said Marxist, you might have said no. So politics is weird in America right now. I'm not sure. It's a hard time to make predictions. What about the history of it, Carl? I mean, you've covered a lot of these elections, like there, there have been big swings within a couple of years after a big change election like this. I mean, it, it's happened in recent history this, it would not be unprecedented for the Republicans to reflect, rebuild and rebrand between now and 28 and actually come back, stop the bleeding in the Senate, even in a year that's actually going to be tough for them. If you look at the map and retake the White House, I don't know about that house. When having 30 seats to spare is pretty tough to overcome. Trump lost 40 the first time in his, in 2018. So this happens, Megan, you're right. I, having said that, this does feel differently, doesn't it? This feels like, you know, because it, it happened in the governor's houses and it happens in places where it shouldn't have happened like Mississippi. But I think, I think this, this graft, the corruption, the cronyism that, that to Sanders is talking about and that, that you were talking about in your opening statement, I think it may be very important as important in foreign policy. Rahm Emanuel was on, I think Stephanie Rulius today and he said something very interesting because he sees this on their side and he said that he said, the Republicans are going to lose today. But it won't, whether the Democrats win or not, we won't know until 2027. And what he said is, and she said, we have to have an agenda and she said, what would be first? And he said, an ethics bill and he, he sounded like, he said, very similar to what Rhonda Santa said. And I thought, this is what both sort of centrist people or thoughtful people in both parties think, which is the public believes that politics and the Trump era has become an insider's game where people are making obscene amounts of money and they want it to stop. And I think that, I think that that's the most important message going forward if they, if we, if we can put a rack, if we can put a ran behind us and, you know, hopefully this won't happen. Stop the war and stop the grift, stand by, wait, quick, quick break, commercial break and then we'll be right back with the guys. They stay with us for the show. AI is changing everything, including how criminals steal. They are targeting something most Americans don't even realize is vulnerable. The thousands of dollars in equity in your home. A scammer can use AI to craft the perfect document that they file with the county transferring your home into their name and then use your ownership to take out loans or sell it for quick cash. 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The shift from 2024 was a 38 point shift in favor of the Democrats. They were voted 61 percent for the Democrats last night, 37 percent for the Republicans. Anyway, a 38 point shift in young men toward the Dems. All young people 18 to 29, a 32 point shift. And here's another one from Patrick Rafini, Polster at echelon insights and he writes the following that Latino men shifted 57 points in favor of the Democrats. Latinos in general shifted 47. Percentage points over to the Democrats. People, not making a lot of money. Between 50,000 and 99,000, 31 point shift. High school or less, 31 point shift. Under 50,000, 26 point shift. No college, 18 point shift. The rural or small town voters, 26 point shift. All in favor of Democrats 18 to 29 year olds of all genders, 48 point shift. I mean, it's just that the numbers are just absolutely dispositive. Some of the margins that you should be aware of of the wins that the Democrats amassed in North Carolina, North Carolina, supposed to be a red state. The Democrat won by almost 20 points, 20 percentage point, 19 point six. In Georgia, again, not so long ago, this was a red state. John Ossoff won by 18 percentage points, New Hampshire, Papus, the first openly gay, US Senator, 14 point three. I guess there was Kyrsten Sinema, who is ambiguous. Texas, Calarico won by over 12 percentage points, 12 point three, Calarico. In Minnesota, Flanagan, 10 point one. Remember that poll came out showing her 11 points up over to FOIA. We were all like, that's gotta be bullshit. There's no way that nutcase is 11 points up over the reasonable likeables, Michelle to FOIA. Wrong. It was correct. Main, the cousin stupper, one by seven point seven percentage points over Susan Collins, the stalwart fell. In Michigan, Else Ed, one by over seven points, so much for Haley Stevens and her last minute endorsement on Mike Rogers. It did not work out for her. And by the way, the time when Democrats are winning everywhere, she could have had a resurgence. She could have had a revitalization. She could have come back and run for something else. If she just kept her mouth shut and not decided to decide with Mike Rogers. Now she, her career is in tatters and she stuck with that, that husband who's like a disability lawyer. I hope he's making good money. Ohio, Sherrod Brown returned to the office of US Senator and he won by a margin of 4.8. Kansas, Hamilton, the pastor, one by 4.8, Kansas. I haven't sent a dem to the Senate in 100, 100 years. South Carolina, Annie Andrews, Dr. Beat, Darling Graham, by 4.4 percentage points. That's South Carolina. I realized Darling Graham had absolutely no qualifications, but to lose by 4.4 points in South Carolina for any Republican, especially with the last name Graham is stunning Iowa, Turek, one, 4.1, Mississippi tracking, even as I said at the top of the show in Alaska, we don't know yet either tracking even. Wait a minute. There's one other thing. Okay, listen to this. This is tweeted out by Bayless Wagner reporting from Iowa in an illustration of the force of the blue wave that hit Iowa. Eric Armstrong, a Democrat nominee who had suspended his campaign in September, comfortably won his race in a red leaning statehouse district, according to the Associated Press. Most Iowa Democrats expected to lose the district after Armstrong said he was quote stepping down because personal health issues required, quote, my full attention and care. When asked about the win, he said, I'm going to do my best to represent the district, but I still have health issues. That's what I'm really struggling with. They could not lose. I had given up the campaign. I'm out. They're like, in you go, Mr. Armstrong, I mean, all of this is just it's shocking. It's too shocking to even be depressing, frankly, as somebody who would rather see the Republicans in power. I just feel like this is great information to have. This is great. This was the mood in the electorate. By the way, this is the mood in the electorate, electorate two months ago. It better to know, better to know. And regret. Can I make a point before we took the break you were talking about sort of the pendulum swings and Republicans can recover and you know, recent history. I mean, the most recent history is 2008, Barack Obama, right? He went by seven points nationally. Beech, John McCain, 365 to 173 in the electoral college. He brings in this huge wave of democratic lawmakers in the House and the Senate. And then not even a year later, or I guess a year later, they Democrats lose the Virginia and New Jersey governor's races. The following January, right? Scott Brown gets elected to Phil Ted Kennedy seat, which was a massive upset. And then that November. He was the 60th vote. And then that November in 2010, you know, Democrats lose 63 seats in the House and six Senate seats. So in a matter of 24 months, they went from this huge wave to, you know, getting wiped out. So absolutely, I think what this proved to is that we see ourselves as an evenly divided country. And we have been that to a certain extent for a number of cycles. But there is some fluidity in the electorate. And you can win over, you know, Hispanic voters, for example, young voters, they're moving around independence. And so if Republicans get their act together, and if Democrats go to Washington and all they do is investigate and they don't really do anything to, you know, improve the lives of people, you can very well see in even though their majorities are pretty substantial. You can very well see us swing back in the Republican's direction in two years, along with potentially even a Republican winning the White House. Part of the problem, I like this. And I hope that this is possible. But I have to tell you that, you know, I lived that one very, very closely that that Barack Obama win. And then what happened in 2010. And it was Obamacare. He, he was such a prick. He changed, he created a new entitlement that did not, for the first time ever, have majority support. Like your doctor, you can keep. It was the lie. But it did, for the first time ever, he shoved an entitlement down the throats of the American people without majority support for it. And did it with the most arrogant smug fuck off kind of attitude you'd ever seen from a president over something as personal as your health care. And then lied. It became the lie of the year. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. And we host a Democrat, if you're Democrat on my show on Fox News, who had lost their plans and lost their doctors and couldn't find more affordable coverage. And we're very angry with Barack Obama. The Tea Party was born. People were literally spitting mad. Literally spit was coming out. They were so angry, screaming at him. Elections have consequences. John, as he said, when he had the senators gathered around, he was shoving Obamacare on us. A fate from which we still have not recovered. So that was something huge he did. He would defend it, saying, I swung for the fences, that was a mandate I was given when I was elected and so on. But he paid a massive electoral price. I just don't know that the Democrats can get in quite that amount of trouble between now. >> Man, don't, don't, but am I underestimating them? >> If you think these parties are incapable of humility. And so if you think Democrats are going to go to Washington after what happened last night and think that they've been given a mandate by the American people to do all this crazy shit, it just, it happens. It happens to both parties. It happens every time. >> Who are the first to be called to testify? Who are the, like, Robert Garcia, who's reportedly going to be the head of the oversight committee now tweeted out last night, lawyer up in all caps. Give me your top three. >> Well, they're going to, we were likely to get dragged in. >> We were talking about this on our show. >> Ethical investment. >> Might do a sort of a warm up to presidential impeachment by getting Pete Higgseth in there and trying to impeach him. All these cabinet members, I mean family members, Elon Musk, I mean, you know, they're going to go after him. >> It's ridiculous. >> Yeah, I mean, they're going to try and nationalize his companies. I mean. >> He's currently trying to cure paralysis and blindness. They want him and he's literally making progress in curing both of those things. They're like lock him up. >> Yes, to my point. >> Okay, wait, but I don't, Elon, that's not going to go anywhere because Elon is Elon. He's an odd communicator. I think he would be very difficult to pin down on anything. One thing he tweeted out today was data centers in space are looking pretty good right now. I think people will be fine with the expensive centers, but that was actually one of the issues on which everybody united. I think there were 40, what was the number? It was in my packet, 40 data center, like 41 ballot issues put out there for voters to vote on last night. Are you in favor of ballot centers coming to your city? And in every single way, we have results in for like 30 of them so far. And then 29 out of the 30, the answer was, no, I do not want an AI data center in my town. I mean, left and right, they all united, they don't want it. It was yet another thing, Trump got behind, AI is great. You have to love it to your point, Carl. You have to call it super intelligence, which makes no sense because that's already a term that has applied to AI once it goes on steroids and has independent thinking. So it's like how the people in the trans world tried to co-op the word day. That already has a meaning. It means multiple people. You cannot borrow it and use it for your new gender. Anyway, they are against it. So this is a long me. And I'm doing the weave. We were talking about Elon Musk, Pete Hegseth, Elon Musk, Kristi Nome, for sure, is going to get it. I don't think a lot of people are going to cry to see Kristi and Corey Lewandowski dragged in there. I think Alina Habas got to go to talk about her $50 million bribe. Oh, I mean, salary that she legitimately is earning as general counsel to some company that appears to have been a pop up as of Monday, but now suddenly needs a $10 million general counsel so that their Venice whale and leader can get a pardon from Donald Trump. Of course, the Trump children, Jared Kushner, you guys add to my list, who else is going to get dragged in there? Well, I think they're going to do hearings on whether this administration was selling pardons and Trump himself seemed surprised by the Alina Haba revelation and he seemed offended by it. He didn't know about it, but somebody knows about it because there's like this little industry that's cropped up. So, my guess is that's one of the first things I'll go after because that's a bipartisan thing that always pulls poorly, usually it's governors, but selling pardons, you can go to prison for it. So, that might be where they start. Yeah, but he will pardon everyone, his family and his administration, and why not? Pardon the people who sold pardons. Yeah. No. I mean, he's not going to pardon Alina Habas. Well, he may not pardon her, but he'll pardon his family and he'll pardon his immediate cabinet, right? I mean, why won't he? We won't ask. You know, well, you know what's, I mean, he's not the first to have done that. Making you a lawyer, what, what, this, this, this Dennis Whalen guy that, the original charge brought by the public integrity section that Trump dismantled was that he had paid, he'd bribed a governor in Puerto Rico. So they busted, he pledged guilty to a misdemeanor, then the guy thought, well, I didn't want that misdemeanor. So, to prove that I don't bribe public officials, I'm going to pay for a pardon. I, it seemed it was sort of a self, I mean, if all, yeah, if what they're alleging is true, it was too cute by half, right? Because he's like, I'm not paying for a pardon. I just think this Alina Haba, who's literally accomplished nothing other than representing Trump in that one case that she lost on, on his business, by Tis James to ruin his company, I'm just going to pay her $10 million a year in salary to be the general counsel of some new company that my daughter is going to be running. And she'll get enough bonuses that in four years, she will get $50 million. I practice law for 10 years at, at the very highest levels in this country. There isn't a firm in America, and I'm talking about the best firms, the absolute best that pays its lawyers $10 million a year with the experience packet that Alina Haba has. If you are the biggest rainmaker, like you, you brought in all the big clients, you might get something like that at a big firm. After years of experience, you'd have plenty of gray hairs or none on your head. You would not be Alina Haba. It was obviously a payoff, that's my opinion, and I don't blame him for being angry with her. People are like, oh, he's mad because he wanted a piece because he said it should be donated to my presidential library. I actually don't think that's true. I think Trump was genuinely angry that she pulled a fast one on him by getting all these riches. And then she probably quietly convinced him to give this guy a pardon on the merits without disclosing that she was getting her pocket lined. That's my guess. We'll find out. I actually am looking forward to seeing her go before Congress and be questioned about this. I think my old pal Kimberly Gilfoil might get dragged in there. Yeah, I don't know anything to say. That was the next one. It's a target rich environment, but Kimberly Gilfoil's got to be at the top of anyone's list, right? I feel like, eh, I'm on the Tim Dillon team on that. What did you expect? It was going to happen. Like, come on, like, did you really think she was going to be as Tim, but it's studying the history of Athens? She just relax. Christine Nome sent out a tweet. Did you guys see, she sent out a tweet saying something like, I agree with Larry Kudlow, we did, we were too good on immigration and Trump's first year, something to that effect. We, you know, we were just too perfect in our, I mean, so that there's been a lot around her and Corey Lewandowski suggesting that there may be ethical problems with those two. And I don't just mean they're weird, obvious affair. I mean, like possible, like unethical behavior as the two of them were running DHS. So that's another thing that's target rich. Go ahead. I was just going to say, that was another data point I mentioned. The Republicans won on immigration was the only issue on which they were favored over Democrats, but it was only by three points. But there was also a question asked about, do you approve or disapprove of how ice has handled itself? 60, 40 again. So, you know, again, it's another example of where policy wise, Republicans were winning on immigration. It was the execution under Kristi Nome, not with that word, Tom. What? Sorry. Yeah. But killing people. Yeah. The way that they handled it, you know, with her ads and all that stuff, you know, ice barbie in the pictures of her, you know, I mean, it was just ridiculous. And turn public opinion against the administration on an issue that they had broad public support for, you know, you know, Megan, I will say in defense of Kristi Nome, and the glam and the photo ops and all that, I have it on reliable authority that President Trump asked her to do that. That he wanted those photo ops. He wanted her out there. He wanted her to be like the face of it. So I mean, it gets a peanut called in there. Yeah. We'll hear. Yeah. That won't help. Well, we'll see. I mean, he doesn't need him for a job anymore. Trump, you know, taking, taking an issue on what she has majority support and, and, you know, fumbling it. You know, this, this ice issue, though, it was huge up in Minnesota. It probably, Michelle, before I probably know anything she could, she ran a great campaign. But that issue, I, she did. And she's so likable. Yeah. I agree with that. We had her on our show. She, she was, she had a message it would have been a winning message in almost any other year. And she ran against a very far left candidate, as you know, one who was tainted by scandal. But that issue, when those two people were up there, were killed. And I, I, you know, Megan, I don't want to relitigate it. We get. I don't say the ice people deliberately did anything without to kill these people. But yeah, these two people. And the Twin Cities were just completely galvanized by it. But there were other cases that didn't get as much attention in Washington, but in Texas did. There was a guy there who was killed on his way to work. It turned, you know, we've never gotten the full story. I'm not sure he's never released any kind of investigation. They had a warrant. They think it was for somebody else. They pinning him in advance, shot him through his van. This got huge coverage in South Texas. And it's one of the reasons clearly that this vote changed down there. And there were interviews that we didn't see in Washington or, or in New York where people on the local television there, when ice would come and get somebody and there would be a woman who came out and say, they came and got my brother. He was on his way to work. We've been here 30 years. He has two, we have two, he has two kids in the army and they just grabbed him and deported him to Mexico. And he hasn't lived in Mexico, you know, since he was, you know, 13 years old. I mean, these kind of horror stories. And people began to think even who Trump had said when he was asked who you're going to report everybody, but people really thought he would go after for two classes first. One, criminals, people with criminal records or who, who had criminal records before or committed crimes here. And two, the worst first or the people who'd come in during the Biden administration, the 10 million people were told, you know, here's your question. piece of paper come, you know, in August 33rd, 2000, you know, 38 and you get a hearing. But they were going after people who had been in this country, who had started business who were going to churches. And maybe they should have been here, maybe illegally. But this really hurt Trump in, in, in, well, the other piece of that story, Carl, is the media. The media played it up. You remember they put that little boy with the, the bunny or whatever his, his little love he was on the air at a Minnesota. And it turned out, you know, his dad had left him behind. His dad made a run for it when he saw ice was trying to arrest the dad. But they put him on. It was like, and then the dad said, I'll take him with me. And they were like, they deported the sweet boy. It was like, what the dad said that the mother wouldn't answer the door. Like the ice was left in this. But like, of course, the media, of course, is always trying to help the dams. I want to tell you this. As I mentioned, Trump, like, talk about Trump, coverage of Trump, et cetera, has become toxic in the last year. I watched conservative media very closely. And if you watched Fox News, they too started covering him less and less and less. His name got mentioned far less frequently than it ever had before ever since that Iran war launched. And what's happened this morning, because now Trump was speaking, he was going on and on and on. And while I'll play you what he was saying in one second, but only Fox News took the speech, not a single cable network, took the president's remarks and even Fox cut away. And no one is taking the remarks now. Here's just a bit of what we heard him say. I think it's largely true because it drove the gasoline up a little bit short term. And probably, that's probably true. But at the same time, if I had it to do again, I'd have to do it again because long term, it's the only answer you can't let Iran have a nuclear weapon. Did you like it this morning? I do, yeah. I mean, well, you have no choice. I mean, I thought the oil would go up a lot more and I did it on that basis. You have no choice. You have to do it. You can't let Iran have a nuclear weapon or everything that you see here. Someday might not exist. And maybe this, but this building might be the only one that does. So yeah, I think that look, I mean, I'll get along probably with the Democrats unless they want to be destructive, but they have the power of the veto. So if we don't like what they're doing or they'll, they've already called and they want to talk about things and that's fine. But yeah, well, the Iran thing we had to do and we continue to do it. We have tremendous oil flowing out of the harmless right now. Okay. That was the substantive piece of it. Every other piece of it was all about the ballroom, the ballroom, the ballroom, the ballroom and more ballroom, which is why nobody took it and Fox left it. And that was the one substantive piece where he was asked about JD Vance's post and said, quote, I think it's largely true about Iran, but said he wouldn't change anything. But this is the problem. I mean, this is actually going to be a problem for Trump from this point forward because all of our attention is going to be on other people. Andrew Trump's worst nightmare. He can't stand that. That he can't stand more than anything. But it's going to start as of today. Hey, I want to give, if I can just a quick shout out to Sean Trendy who's our senior elections advisor, he's got a great sub stack. It's poll vault, which people should check. This is just a little cautionary note from his poll vault today. He says voters for better for worse have goldfish memories. And this election provides relatively little news about what 20, 28 will look like. The election is over, but elections aren't. I thought them sort of interesting, just cautionary notes. We sit here and talk about what this all means and stuff. A lot of things can change and he points to past elections. He points to, I think, 74 and 76 as two elections that sort of proved that point to him, at least. Anyway, but yeah, I think it's going to be interesting to see whether Trump can change at all and can he work with Democrats? I mean, can he do what? You know, what Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich did in 94 96, which sort of an interesting parallel, but I got to say, I don't think it's possible. I don't think that Trump at this point can change at all. I think this is what we're going to see from the next two years. And I think he's a lame duck. He's got the veto. And we'll see the one thing that will be interesting is, you know, presidents aren't charged of foreign policy. And presidents in the past, when they've sort of faced this kind of thing, they go overseas, they work overseas. So he may be going to North Korea soon, something like that. I mean, watch for something. He may drive, he may drive, he may drive Megan really crazy and start another worsen where else. Yeah. Yeah. That would drive me crazy. Our military should be used defensively. Okay. But here's a question for you. Yeah. I was just going to say, you know, Iran is the longer it stays unresolved, the more of a problem it's going to be for Republicans. And for 2028, as I said, I mean, if we're still dealing with a ran in, you know, this time next year, when right before the primaries are about to start in January of 2028, I mean, how's that going to look for Republicans, you know, for JD Vance or Marco Rubio and whoever else is on that stage, when they're talking about it, I mean, it's going to be a disaster. So Trump has to, I think he has to try and wrap this up as soon as possible and get things back to, back to normal. But that's the nightmare that we're in, Tom, because I agree. I will say in defensive Trump, he has tried, he does want to wrap it up. He's not an electoral dummy. He saw this coming. He knew it would hurt Republicans at the polls. He didn't want that. But these are tough M efforts over there. You know, they just, they're not reasonable people. They don't respond to the same incentives or threats. And so that's what's scary to people like me who didn't want this to start to begin with. And we didn't want it to go on. It's, it's now there are a lot of people advising Trump the only way to end it is to escalate it, which is like extremely dangerous. Go ahead. I'm just going to do my Joe Biden and say he should have known that in the first place. Right. Shouldn't you even know all that stuff in the first place? Yes. Are he, or he could listen to Hailey Stevens? They're going to start get to us. Beware, beware. This is why you don't start these wars. But anyway, back to the candidate issues. I do want to ask you this. Darling Graham. Now this was, this was unnecessary. Do we agree? What like South Carolina was winnable? I don't know about Texas given, you know, given that it was a 12 and a half point win by Talleriko. I don't, I think he probably would have beaten corn into. But South Carolina, guys, that, that was unnecessary. And I do wonder whether there will be any sort of reflection by, you know, President Trump for that. I'm trying to look at, there is a standby. There was a Matt Walsh tweet on this that I really thought was spot on. This is what he wrote. South Carolina flipped to the Dems because Trump endorsed a Republican candidate who had no qualifications, no experience, no political skills, no resume at all. And who's only pitched to the voters was, I'm the sister of Lindsey Graham, just a staggeringly idiotic strategy that failed exactly as any reasonable person knew that it would. I think that's exactly right. In the case of darling Graham. And I do think the president does bear some responsibility directly in terms of candidate selection, whether it was Darling Graham, Michael Wattley, who got his ass kicked ahead of the RNC. I don't think he really picked Paxton. Paxton seems to have been a, a base pick that Trump kind of at the last minute was like, okay, fine, I endorse him. But certainly quality of candidates played some role last night. Am I wrong? Well, Andy has been saying this all along. And this, this shellacking was so thorough. We think that was less of a factor this morning than we thought before. But, but Megan take Texas, for example, yeah, Paxton one, I think he won that primary by 28 points over Kornin. And, and Trump endorsed him only after it was pretty clear he was going to win. But what, what a president like LBJ would have done or somebody was running the party. I mean, and you don't have to be that heavy handed. A normal president would have called Paxton early in the game and said, no, you can't run and thrown a support publicly to Kornin and dissuaded Paxton from even trying it. And, and that's, that's the kind of thing. But, but Trump was last, was, who was he saying that to Tom? Was it the New York Times or Brett Bear? Who said it to Brett Bear on Foxes last night? Yeah. I had no choice. Um, Kornin didn't do everything I wanted him to do. I had no choice. That's a reason he is. He, he's a prisoner of his own ego. And, and what, what a real leader has to do is sublimate his ego sometimes and say, okay. Kornin's pissed me off a couple of times, but he's our best chance. And, and Paxton shouldn't have even been allowed to run as well. I'm saying, and Trump could have stopped. We actually have that Carl. We have that. Let's listen to Trump last night on talking to Fox about John Kornin, sat 13. And I just wasn't a fan of Kornin. You know, I just wasn't a fan. Now, I found him to be a disloyal guy. Uh, he was not a fan of mine when, you know, to be honest, when it wasn't fashionable. He wasn't there. You know, it's, it's could say that about a lot of people could say that about you when it wasn't fashionable to be with Trump he wasn't there when it was fashionable he kissed my ass all right but you know I remember the I remember the other day is and I just felt I couldn't endure some - You can try to grab that back - You can try to grab that back, right? - You know the thing about Darlene Graham - Yeah but points in - I said that Darlene Graham because I was right I was I thought she was a terrible candidate and I said that on the show a number of times and we talked about candidate quality just a different way to look at is I mean if you look at how bad they lost in Texas and how you know she lost by what six points five points in South Carolina maybe she overperformed other Republicans I mean maybe she wasn't such a terrible candidate maybe she did better than a lot of other candidates did so I don't think South Carolina took the incoming that Texas did post-COVID I think the electorate is changing in Texas - In South Carolina was an 18-point Trump win not a 13-point Trump win so she had a five-point cushion that she couldn't overcome the other thing about it Omega is it and I'm trying to give a little grace here no one's allowing me not having it no grace the other problem with this and again this goes back to Trump is is by doing that and by putting his thumb on the scale for Graham the way he did he pissed off Ralph Norman and Ralph Norman up until the very end of this campaign was telling people to vote their conscience he wasn't helping her in any way so he divided the Republican Party in an already shitty Republican environment for Republicans I mean he just did everything he could to to cause them to lose that race and you know he's got the blame lays squarely with him and no one else there's never a good time for a major home repair to hit you at a nowhere emergency home repairs can be such a challenge financially that's why having a plan in place with home serve can make all the difference listen to this home serve offers manages and administers home protection plans to keep you covered it's like a subscription for your home for as little as 499 a month they have got you back with a 24/7 hotline to start the repair process quickly they work with trusted national network of 2600 local reliable and licensed contractors with nearly 4.5 million customers a 4.8 rating and an 8 plus rating with a better business bureau they are the real deal consider giving them a try join the millions of customers who trust home serve for 50% off your first year go to home serve dot com slash mks that's home serve dot com slash mks for 50% off savings compared to renewal price voting california and in florida we've all heard those radio ads about owing money to the irs they try to scare the you know what out of you and push you into calling out a fear but tax relief advocates takes a different approach if you owe the irs 5,000 50,000 or even 500,000 bucks tra has real solutions to fix your tax problem don't lose hope tra can often reduce or completely eliminate what you owe their focus is taxes and helping people and businesses resolve irs problems they have more than a thousand five star Google reviews and an a plus rating from the better business bureau you no longer have to fear the irs generous relief programs exist right now that can give you a clean slate so act today go to tra dot com that's tra dot com or call 800 575 6 845 again 800 575 6 845 tax relief advocates real solutions for real people. Hey everyone it's me Megan Kelly I've got some exciting news I now have my very own channel on serious x and it's called the Megan Kelly channel and it is where you will hear the truth unfiltered with no agenda and no apologies along with the Megan Kelly show you're going to hear from people like Mark Alprin Lake Lauren Morgan Callahan Emily Doshinsky Jesse Kelly real clear politics and many more it's bold no BS news only on the Megan Kelly channel series xm 111 and on the series x m half can we talk about mr. Cippy because there the incumbent is Cindy Hyde Smith who I have to say is not that impressive and she was running against somebody who got no help from the national democratic party because they didn't think he had any chance whatsoever his name is Scott Cologne he's a black man Cindy Hyde Smith is a white woman for what is worth and they are currently 65 votes apart 65 with the Democrat in the lead but they're counting provisional ballots again that the speculation is that those should be better for him so this guy really might pull this out so Cindy Hyde Smith I'd heard this just before the election she stepped in it at one of their debates when they were talking about the price of meat and she said pick another protein and he turned that into a very effective political ad against her here in sought eight watch this on price of beef continuing to go up you know you have so many proteins to cheat on another protein she it I'd rather pick another senator and stand pick another protein she lost her damn mind pick another protein what the pick another day really there he was at the end so good right I mean it's very very no AI in that ad too should add no it's a low low budget thing because he didn't have much money do you think maybe that we you've talked about Trump's role in in tax and what do they spend in Texas 250 million dollars maybe they could have spent like three million of it helping their Republican senator and Mississippi I bet they wish that they'd done that I think that if I'm not I could be wrong about this Megan but I think Scott column was up for a judgeship and she blocked it and I think they decided to run for the Senate on that sounds right I remember reading that wait now and look at this but look so so he got on line at a Trump rally Scott Cologne did and he decided to go talk to Trump supporters about the issues that were important to them in this guy I'm this guy is a threat on the national level because he's got retail skills coming out of his ears look out natural entities he is talking with Trump supporters in Mississippi here in sought seven how you doing sir can you do this myself I'm Scott Cologne bill good to meet you for your service absolutely what matters to you is a veteran right now second member right second member I'm big on that channel if you only AI from Mississippi to in Indiana let me ask you what matters to y'all as voters what what are your top issues great gas prices how do you throw out the one I ran get out of it get out of it pull out we don't need to be there it's not our problem let me ask you what do you think about the tariffs are you a fan or not not really I'm not a fan of them because I worry about what's the top issues mostly just that's what I'm running on yeah absolutely now you might be asking you what matters to you with the voter right now honestly honestly I'm gonna jump on man Gavin about this guy he's gonna need a running mate I don't know it seemed to me like he was identifying with a lot of the problems but he wasn't saying what he was gonna do about him so that's well that's what politicians do I mean I don't know he's a good ad you know I don't know the ad was good he's a look he's a he's a happy warrior that's how you that you know in an environment where there's a lot of anger you know he managed to channel that I will add Megan just just for posterity in that in that race the independent candidate Ty Pinkins has 20,000 votes the row of Mississippi yeah exactly yeah spoiler alert spoiler here's here's what happened just this morning somebody I think this was this morning or as opposed to last night I'm not sure but whatever it's recent um he uh Scott Colombo's at it talking to his supporters probably telling them you know stay tuned and watch what happened Scott uh centerhine Smith old but declared victory last night bless our heart is he's good guys so look on the list of like this is an interesting question I think on the list of senators who are newly elected to the U.S. Congress to the U.S. Senate as Democrats the one who you can't stand the most and the one that you are most optimistic about I'm gonna put him as my most optimistic he hasn't officially won but if he wins I'm happy with that this guy I like him he seems I don't know what his policies are Or maybe I'll reverse myself because he wants to pack the Supreme Court. But so far, I like him, which is not a surprise because he's coming out of Mississippi. So this guy's got to keep it real. He can't go too far, you know, to the left. The ones that concern me the most, I am concerned about El Sayed for sure. He does strike me as very angry as like he's got an angry streak in him and like really smug. I'm not really worried about the Muslim brotherhood stuff, but I, he does seem radical to me. And I don't, I'm not sure where that guy's going to go with it, but I would say Peggy Flanagan is probably my least favorite newly elected senator at the nut case with the, when your six year old tells you that their trans believe them, she's a fruit cake or a nut cake, whichever one is crazier. That's what she is. So that's where I am on the newly elected. Would you guys like to take that on this question? Well, I'll give one puzzle and I, I, I thought that I know what's coming. I know what's coming. I thought that performance by Abdul El Sayed that nasty victory speech. So Michigan has a sore loser in the primary, Hayley Stevens, not as a sore winner, the poor sport winner. So he's been, you're right. He's my least favorite. The guy I'm interested in is obviously column, but we don't know if he's going to win. So how about Josh Turek? When he was campaigning, he, he, he, he is in a wheelchair. He hauled himself up some stairs to somehow, by his arms, drag his wheelchair behind him, they're not going to do it. And I thought, all right, that's the kind of commitment in a public servant I have to respect. I, I thought Carl for sure was going to say Adam Hamilton in Kansas. I mean, he's a guy who, you know, was talking about, I thought you guys for Adam. I think of me talking about him. So, well, yeah. We are actually. So, you know, pastor independent runs as a Democrat, says he's not going to vote for Chuck Schumer. You know, he also has to keep it real. And we'll see how independent he is when he gets to the Senate. So he's a, he's a guy who I'm interested in watching, you know, hopefully in a positive way. I grew up with Carl. Also, I had speech last night where he was like, we hope the Michigan never sees the likes of Mike Rogers again. And then he took a shot at JD and then he took a shot at Trump and then he, you know, took another shot at APAC. I mean, the guy he does, he, he is, he was smug during the campaign. And you can only imagine how much more smug he's going to be now that he's got six years than the Senate. I think so. He's going to be even more insufferable. I do, actually. But. I think I agree with Tom. Let's play a little bit of that. We have it in Salt one. My name is Abdur Rahman Muhammad Issaid, and I am so proud and honored to stand here as your Senator-elect from the Breaks Santa Mission. So Mike, enjoy your retirement. I know you've got a house in Florida and two yachts. See, you chose, hey, and Michigan chose Hope. Maybe we never have to see the likes of you in the state again. To the super PACs and special interests who tried to beat us, we are coming for your system of politics. To APAC, who spent $42 million against us, thank you for giving me the opportunity to beat you twice. We can defeat the cynicism of a politics that prays on our earnestness, undersells our intelligence, and exploits our disagreements. And tonight, Michigan, we beat a machine. That last part was good, and the rest of it was so ungracious that the unwritten rule in politics is no matter how ugly the campaign, and we've seen some ugly ones, you still get up there at the end and your grace, you show grace and your magnanimous. Go ahead. I said on our show, you know, he didn't, you should have taken the high road, but he wasn't tall enough to find it, you know, uh, he is sure, which is funny because I'm five nine, but I think he's about six inches shorter than I can make short, five nine is the height of the average American. That's right. You're perfectly average. Well, as long as we're talking about our, our people who you're not looking for to Troy Jackson, I will say, I'm not looking forward to at all, because let's hope he can control his gas issues, he makes it to the Senate. I just don't look, don't want to eat, listen to that for six years, so, um, and I'm interested in what I want to see his cousin who he's shipping. Yeah. I don't want to see the cousin wife, whatever she is, why are all the Democrats marrying their family members? The second cousin. Come on. But, you know, we're talking about Keith, I really wonder about Talleriko in Texas, whether he will track to the center at all given the, the, the essential redness of that state, which still exists. So, I'm sort of interested in what he does. I mean, he's a smart guy. I think he ran a pretty smart campaign, obviously, and won by a lot. So, will he overinterpret the mandate given the, you know, his, his margin of victory down there? That will be interesting to see something I'll be watching. But, you know, he, like I say, I think he's a smart guy, but we'll be interested to see what he does. The early signs are good. There's one more answer. The early signs, Carl, it's been like six hours. I mean, let's talk about Talleriko. No, in terms of, in terms of, he was, Tom, he was like 16 years of like radical leftist beliefs that he walked away from during the, during the general election. He was an Abdul El Sayed. He was gracious. That's all we have to go on. He was gracious. He's the only one yesterday. Just saying the early signs. I meant first. Last night, last night on our broadcast, Glenn Greenwald was recounting that Pierce Morgan asked Glenn, you know, about, about Talleriko, is Texas really going to elect a gay vegan as it's gonna, Glenn, he's actually not gay, which we all challenged Glenn on. And not a vegan, same challenge. Glenn is gay. I said, Glenn, are you getting any gay art at all on, on Talleriko? He does not think he's gay, but I say the jury is still out. I wanted to play you one more Abdul Sot here, or Sot 3. JD! I'm even, there is this delicious irony in the fact that you're constitutionally obligated to swear me in in January. So you know what that means, Wolverine 1, Buck guy 0. This is so obnoxious. You know what, JD Vance will do it, he'll do it with class, he'll be super kind, he'll be welcoming, he'll smile at you, he'll, he'll welcome your family. That's how it's done. What a prick. She just seems like a prick to me. I think it's good news for the sort of the bro candidates out there, though, that you can be this much of a prick and win by seven points, I mean. And me. Really grasping its brawls on the good news, you see, eternal optimists, finds a silver lining everywhere. That's good news for the. Great news for prick, prick and burpers, the gassy Democrats up for the future. Here's Talleriko. I'm just going to say, a little gay watch. Hate can't teach a child to read, hate can't build a future. But what hate can't do, love can, love can turn a campaign into a movement, love, love can heal what's broken in America. In my experience, when you extend an open hand, rather than a closed fist, you'll be surprised by who takes that hand. He embodied a new kind of politics, a politics rooted in a deep love for our state, for our country, and most importantly, for all of our neighbors. Is that the most Barack Obama asked thing ever, you know, like he says a bunch of words that is hope and change and, you know, we're going to heal the planet and all this stuff and like, but like what are you actually going to do, like, love is not going to write a bill that's going to help tell you like, what is your plan other than just run around and talk about love? Like, it sounded like a sermon at his church as opposed to, you know, a political speech. A certain, a certain male gesture comes to mind when I hear a politician wax poetic about love, love, love, love, like, please, all right, I mean, we all know what politics is actually like and what he's going to do when he gets to the U.S. then he's going to vote to trans the children, which is not loving. I got one more for you, which is Amy Acton, amazing, Amy won her race against Vivek and thank God she will now have the designated driver that she needs. That five, let's see how she took the news. Oh my goodness, oh my goodness, hello, hi, oh, most importantly, thank you, oh, hi, it became a movement and I am so grateful to every one of you and I'm going to be asking a more of you yet. We are going to build in a highway no matter where you were born. You belong. You can build the life of your dreams and you can be whoever you want to be. Maybe even governor. The thing's got to be like how did I lose to that or how did that happen? Oh my god. You're not kidding about lock up the shardonnay. You can't get through one speech. Sorry. Maybe she has a speech impediment and I've just been too tough on her, but she's either an alcoholic or has a speech impediment. I hope it's the latter. Good luck Ohio. Did you all have that aunt Thanksgiving that that kind of reminds me of a little bit? If I had to spend time running against Vivek Ramaswamy I would drink too. I think I'm going to go do it right now. Guys thank you. Thank you all. I'm sure I talked to you soon and we'll see all of you tomorrow as well. Let me know what your thoughts are about the election, Megan at Megankelly.com. Thanks for listening to the Megankelly show, no BS, no agenda and no fear.