Why Trump’s Panicked Goons are About to Lawyer Up

The implosion will be intense. We will return to the worst days of the first administration. Everybody's job will be up in the air. Everybody will be blamed by Trump for losing this election. And everyone then also will be facing the wrath of the Democrats. The day after, if they lose the Senate, the first thing that everybody is going to have to think about is getting a lawyer. It is existential. Everything changes. You could go from the most powerful people in the country to the most beleaguered people in the country in a matter of hours. Michael. Joanna. I'm Joanna Coles. Your Michael Wolfe, this is Inside Trump's head where we go three times every week to ask what on earth is going on underneath that fatch of moldy hay that he has on top of his head. Michael, what is the mood? Is there a mood? Is there a weather storm or a weather system, I suppose, in the White House right now? What's happening? What's happening? I know you've been talking to people. That's one of those journalism questions. This was journalist asks when there is no news because there won't be any news until election day. In fact, the mood in the White House-- Did you just swap me away, Michael? Did you? Was that just the biggest dissable-- In your defense, I think the New York Times asked that horrid journalistic question, the mood, earlier yesterday of the day before. It's not just you are in the company of the New York Times if that's where you want to be. I'm always happy to be in the company of the New York Times. Really? Well, sometimes anyway, anyway, the mood in the White House actually, and a last one might say, is not bad. I think that they've adjusted their expectations. House is lost, but they believe that they have a decent chance, maybe even a pretty good chance, of holding the Senate. And they certainly do have a chance of holding the Senate. So I think everybody is holding their breath. That would be the mood. And so the better question would be what will be the mood in the White House the day after if so much or all goes south? OK, so hold that question because there are lots of things we're going to get to. And I just want to give people a sample of what we're going to be talking about, because Natalie Harp has been moved up even closer to the president. We're going to get into one earth has been happening in Alaska. And we alluded to it last Saturday, actually, when we said we thought it was pretty odd that there were two people called Dan Sullivan-- excuse me, on the ballot. But now we have a greater insight into it. But we're going to unpack why Trump is so obsessed right now by other men. And is it some sort of weird disinhibition as he gets older? We're going to make some predictions, too. We're going to make some predictions about the Senate. And also we should remind people we are going to be live. On election night, we're going to start at eight o'clock. It's going to be Michael and I in the studio will have constant news updates. Eight o'clock Eastern time. But we'll have constant updates from our newsrooms. So you can figure out with us what an earth is going on. But we'll also be inside Trump's head trying to figure out what we'll be going on with him that very evening. OK, back to-- Blow by blow, elected. Blow by blow. We'll have some cocktails. I think it should be fun. It should be fun. Polotainment, I think, is what it's called. Anyway, well, we'll see. It could be bleak, actually. I've been to many an election party over the last decade or so. And they were not fun events. Actually, I'm grateful not to have to go to an election party per se this election night. Because depression comes on very quickly at some of these parties. Well, I think everybody-- or at least the worst party I remember, I was hosting a party at Snapchat. The assumption was, obviously, Hillary would win. This was 2016. Everyone was clutching their tickets. High security passes to go to the Javits Center to celebrate her smashing through the glass ceiling. The reason that she was holding it at the Javits Center was apparently there is some part of a glass ceiling. It was all going to be symbolic. And then by 9 o'clock, everybody had left the building. Everybody had left the building. And they were all these gorgeous red, white, and blue snacks. I know that I remember well. God, yes. Sealed my faith that night. Many people's faith, I suppose. Yes, it did. You had no idea for the next 10 years you'd be inside Trump's head. But here we are again. And so we'll be working on election night, which is always the best thing to do, I think. Work through everything. Just in case-- just in case it doesn't go as we might have hoped on Tuesday, we are going to imagine the day after right now. We are going to imagine that actually the things that we had hoped for come true and what will the White House look like the day after if it all goes south. 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And I mean, broadly in any sense, if they can disrupt any of the elections that are close and seeming to trend against them, they will be doing that. But that's all downstairs. And Trump Trump-- OK, when you say downstairs, is that in the Oval Office? Is it, where is it exactly? No, it's, well, it actually probably, it's probably, no, it's not in the Oval Office and it isn't in the West Wing. There'll be a room set aside. I forget actually what the name of the room is. It's in the White House proper, however. And where there's enough space and it's just converted into 50 or 60 people can crowd into this room. And there'll be a lot of people working the phones all over the country. But Trump will be upstairs in the residence. And there'll be a set of people who will go back and forth, bringing him news, kind of giving him their sense of what's going on, the data people-- I mean, there are the data people. And then there's somebody who can interpret the data people if he hates talking to the data people because he doesn't understand what they're saying. So someone will be there to interpret that. He'll be upstairs. The people upstairs, that's interesting. It will be Susie Wiles. be upstairs or she will be going back and forth, but she will spend most of her time upstairs. Natalie Harp will be exclusively upstairs. I think Todd Blanchell will probably be upstairs with the president and. And does Donald Trump have a sort of laptop? I mean, actually, I realize we've never really seen him on a laptop. But is he monitoring this in real-time on a laptop as well? No, no, he doesn't have a television. He doesn't have a laptop and this is all about. I mean, he has a phone and he'll be on the phone constantly. I mean, that will be the people in the room with Trump and they'll be on the phone so they'll be getting information and they'll be relaying it to him. But he will be on the phone also with a just. I mean, a variety of people, you know, other billionaires, other friends, not necessarily. He will not necessarily be on the phone with political people or numbers people or anybody who actually knows what's going on. So it will be Donald Trump on the phone telling things to other people. And what about JD Vance, where will the vice president be? He may be there. I mean, he may be. He will also, I'll bet he goes back and forth. Back and forth between the residents and the room where everybody's working. Yeah. And what about our Secretary of State, ruler of Cuba, national security advisor? You know, he may not be on the scene at all. I'm not sure. I mean, they must be wondering what an earth is going to happen and what that means for their own prospects. So there'll be lots of food. There will be lots of sodas, I guess. I mean, this is their super bowl, right? Well, I don't. I mean, this is their. I mean, it's a lot more existential than that. I mean, this is life or death for them. And, you know, I mean, it's. This is almost everything. And it will be. I mean, everybody's careers are going to pivot around what happens on Tuesday night. It changes everything for everyone or potentially changes everything for everyone in the White House. What are they assuming will happen, Michael? Well, I don't think that they're. They're assuming that they will lose the house. That's going to happen. And then the issue will be how much do they lose it by? And if they lose it and they have a. They have a set of a set of expectations. And if they meet those expectations, they feel pretty good, even if they lose the house. But the real issue now is the Senate. And the context here is nobody thought. You know, two months ago, three months ago, certainly six months ago. Nobody thought that this would be an issue. Everyone thought that this would be. That the issue would be. Would be the house. Whether they could come close to holding the house. And they still believed up into a couple of months ago that they would have a chance of holding the house. So expectations have dramatically shifted here. They are going to lose the house. And they are now looking at the Senate. They may well lose the Senate. What's the chance? I'd say certainly it's 50/50 that they'll lose the Senate. And I would argue that there's probably a greater likelihood that they will lose the Senate. Right, so let's come on to our predictions in a minute for the Senate. Races, because it will be fun to make predictions now and then be held to account next Tuesday when we go live. Does Suzy Wilde. Is this the moment when she steps back? The first Vimal Chief of Staff, she's been. Well, I mean, if they lose the Senate. And this is going to be the pivotal question. Do they lose the Senate? If they lose the Senate, then everybody is. Everybody's fate is in the air. Everybody's fate. And I mean, it includes Suzy Wilde, actually, I think. I would say her fate if they lose the Senate is written. She will go. But I think it's true about virtually everybody except Natalie Harp. She's. Natalie is probably the only safe person in the White House. And apparently Natalie has moved into the president's private dining room, where she's spreading out her endless papers and making endless piles of things to show him. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, she was previously stationed just outside of the Oval Office, and the dining room is just off of the Oval Office. So in terms of proximity, number of feet from him, it probably really hasn't changed. But there is a certain kind of. You know, the dining room becomes a kind of mini-war room for him. And there's a lot of papers, a lot of stuff. There was a moment in which it was filled with. It's often filled with merch. Trump can make it. I'm just going to say, it's full of new deliveries of red hats or new deliveries of t-shirts, or whatever Trump gives to people and signs for them when they come to visit him. Correct me if I'm wrong. And I may be was. But was the dining room. one of the Monika Lewinsky scenes? I don't know, actually. I don't know, but there isn't the closet where he keeps the merch, which he refers to as the Monika Lewinsky room. Possibly. Well, that may be the club. I mean, I've seen the dining room when it's filled with. with merchandise. Every day, your personal information is exposed somewhere online. Your email address, financial details, even your health information. It's not about being careful anymore. It's about the hundreds of data brokers who collect and sell your data without your consent. They can't harm you, however, if they can't find you. And that's where incogni comes in. 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Everybody will be blamed by Trump for losing this, this election. Certainly he will not take any blame. So it will be put on, on everyone else. I mean, I mean, everybody will have to, the day after if they lose the senate, the first thing that everybody is going to have to think about is getting a lawyer. I mean, it is, I say, I think I said before, it is existential. Everything changes, which is such a weird, if you think about it, weird world to be working in, that you could go from the most powerful people in the country to the most beleaguered people in the country in a matter of hours. I mean, Todd Blanche, for instance, I mean, I think I don't, again, it would be interesting to be inside his head. He's made a bet here. And I think he's made a bet against all, probably all his instincts, all the evidence. It was just to just to say, okay, you know, I have this opportunity that I would have never imagined I would have in my life. I mean, I was just a kind of, you know, a white collar law of lawyer in a. You know, in a blue chip firm, no one much liked me. I was just slogging along, making my, what was he making, a good living, but, you know, not, not, you know, no perspective. Not stand out from the pack. Yeah. You know, and I commuted to the suburbs and that was, that was my life. And then suddenly I'm transformed, transformed by Donald Trump because really no one else would take the job. And so it was like he must have had a moment. Should I do this? I mean, this is, this could go way wrong, way quickly. But, um, but my life isn't so great. So I'm going to take a flyer on this. He's going to roll the dice. He rolled the dice. And then he became the attorney general of, of, of the United States. That's completely improbable. Todd Blanche, the attorney general of the United States. Just mind-blowingly ridiculous. It must have blown his mind. You know all his colleagues from the white collar law firm are like, can you believe Todd pulled it off? I mean, do you remember when he was on that case, he got it all wrong? That's the white collar criminal lawyer at a, um, at a white shoe firm. It's collar room. Okay, sorry, sorry, white shoe, white shoe firm. Yeah, yeah. A lot of colors here, yes. But, but the point is still the same that you can imagine his colleague saying, do you remember when he was on that case and he messed up? I cannot believe he's the attorney general. You know they're all saying that. Oh, absolutely. And they're going to feel semi resentful and semi relieved that they didn't get the chance to do the job. And then they're going to watch him struggle. Is the Democrats just start firing subpoenas at him, I bet? Yeah, no, if, if you think, I mean, Todd Blanche in the last number of months, I mean, most vividly has become the, the chief enabler of Donald Trump. And we should, we should talk about this Cassidy Hutchinson thing too, because at just another example, they tried to prosecute her and the courts have swatted them down. As so many times they have swatted effectively, Todd Blanche down. And, and Todd Blanche is swatted down because what is he doing? He's doing what Donald Trump has told him to do. And no doubt Todd Blanche is a, you know, he may not have been the most brilliant lawyer in the world. But he certainly knows that these, the actions that he's taken against these, these, these people who Trump has a grudge against have no chance of succeeding in, in court. And so, and so, but he has to do them anyway, because Donald Trump tells him to do them, do them, do them, do them, do them. And he is now the day after, if, if they lose the Senate, this is going to come onto him. I mean, I have a feeling that the Democrats, this time around, are going to be, you know, they may not be able to resist, but, but I think they will try to resist impeaching Donald Trump again or focusing all their firepower there. And instead they will focus it on the people around him. Todd Blanche, I think they'll, they will try to impeach Todd Blanche. So Todd Blanche, we know they're trying to impeach already, Pete Hexeth, as are several Republicans. And we should just remind people that Cassidy Hutchinson, for those who'd forgotten her name, was a junior staffer at the White House who gave evidence in the January 6 hearings and gave evidence against the White House against Donald Trump, which is why they've gone after her. As they've gone after almost everybody who Trump believes for, have, has, have been personally disloyal to him. And they went after James Comey former director of the FBI for the third time this week for the third time. So anyway, I, you know, I think everybody there, the day after, and they, and there may not be a day after. They may actually hold the Senate and then everybody will be, it will be a celebratory mood the day after. But if they don't hold the Senate, it will be the exact opposite of a celebratory mood. It will be, it will be everybody's funeral. Everybody's funeral, but it won't be Donald Trump's funeral. He'll blame everybody. Except Donald Trump, yes. Except Donald Trump, Donald Trump will rise again. He will blame everybody. Will he clean house? Do you think I know you said everybody is? I do think it will be a bloodbath in the, in the, in the West Wing without, without quite, he is just going to be blame. It's going to be a series of, of, of who does he blame? I mean, he will first blame the election system. And, and that is going to be several weeks of, of agony for the country. And then he's going to blame his staff. And then, of course, he will blame the Democrats and Congress. But he will also, also blame the Republicans in Congress. Again, just blame, blame, blame until, until there, there is no until just ellipses there till the end of time. What about the cabinet secretary? Because we know that the war has been one of the most unpopular elements during this election. It's led to higher gas prices, something that Donald Trump has ridiculed most recently in his rallies, saying the country's made trillions and trillions of dollars. And who cares if the gas prices have gone up, it's only short term. And, you know, he's tried to create this idea that somehow we were facing an Iran that was about to drop a nuclear bomb on us. Everybody, everybody is on the hot sea. Again, accept Natalie Harp, literally only Natalie Harp. Natalie Harp. Okay. So Natalie Harp is safe. And Donald Trump is safe. I mean, he will, he will deflect blame. He's incapable of taking blame. So, so it will, it will fall on everyone else. And he will be, he will make himself even more Trumpian than he has been. And we will, as we've discussed before, go to war and Cuba, recommence war in Iran. What happens do you think? More Trump Trump. He will, he will, he will further embrace Putin. So in some sense, life does not change for Donald Trump. He just gets more Trumpian. Does life change? I wonder for Malania because we're assuming and you haven't mentioned that she'll be in the White House. We know from her own documentary that she was going to watch. I will watch on news. I will see on news the, the election results. She didn't even stay with him for election night. So do we think that she will be in Florida? She'll be living it up in New York. Well, she won't be in Florida. She doesn't go to Florida. Florida is, is a, you know, she lives in New York. We'll, she'll be, yeah, I mean, we'll, she'll be, I guess she will. You know, will they try to recruit her for an appearance on election night in the White House? You know, yeah, I mean, I'm sure they're trying to negotiate that now. I wish we could see that in her documentary series that she's basically coming up with. That I would like to watch Malania negotiating as we know that she's negotiated peace in a Leshi or a ceasefire at least between the Russians and Ukraine. And elbowed out of the, the Pope out of the way who, who first started it. Anyway, let, let's get to these specific races. Do you think that the Democrats will win Alaska after the shenanigans that were revealed in the New York Times? This was about the Democratic Party helping to recruit Daniel J Sullivan, who is a spoiler on the ballot paper in Alaska. Because the incumbent is called Dan, Dan S Sullivan. We've, we've discussed this before. I think it's confusing for the voter. You think you, you do? Well, I do think it's, I mean, it's supposed to be confused. If it's not confusing for the voters, then it was a wasted effort. But I think that the, the, the reveal that Daniel J Sullivan, who is apparently a man that lives on a place that is accessible only by boat or by plane, which sounds really nice for maybe two weeks of the year. No, I would, I would, I would go for Daniel, Daniel. Daniel J Sullivan. What if Daniel J Sullivan gets elected and he's the one that doesn't want the job? Well, there's, there's a plot point. We could, we could, we could write that film. That's fine. We could, that is a brilliant idea for a film, isn't it? That this poor man who gets, wouldn't go so far. But it'd be pretty interesting. They're based on a true story of Daniel J Sullivan, a man who lives on an island inaccessible except by plane and boat. who gets recruited as it turns out by a strange Midwestern operative who may or may not be using a pseudonym of a Zane, but he gets recruited to run for Senate. So the idea of us, I mean everybody, I don't, if I have to make the call here, I think that she will win. That would be Mary Paltola, we're talking about the Democrat challenger to the incumbent, but the idea of of a spoiler is a, you know, is a classic in American politics. Mary Paltola has dealt with dirty tricks from the Republicans before. I'm sure she has. I mean, I'm sure, you know, they're the Republicans. I mean, I, you know, I, there may be, in some sense, that the Democrats are finally, finally feel damn, we're, we're finally playing this game properly and we're not chumps. But let me, there's a, there was a, a spoiler and I, you know, a major spoiler and it's good to call, call attention to this again, and the spoiler was R.F.K. Jr. So R.F.K. Jr., remember in, in 2024, R.F.K. Jr. ran for the Democratic nomination for president. That was set up by Steve Bannon and Roger Stone. They, they had this thing. I mean, I mean, R.F.K. Jr. had kind of become friendly with these, with these, these right wing guys and the anti-vax thing. They were, you know, they were, he was suddenly in their circle and, and Bannon and Stone conceived of this great idea. We'll get R.F.K. Jr. a Kennedy to run against Joe Biden in the, in the Democratic primaries, just by the virtue of being a Kennedy, he will embarrass Joe Biden. And that was, that was the plan. Now, the plan went awry because R.F.K. Jr. suddenly had stars in his eyes, you know, he was going, going to rallies. He was thinking, I like this. And so when it became clear that he had no future as in, in the Democratic party and he would be defeated, Joe Biden would get the nomination and that would be it. He said, I'm going to run as an independent. And suddenly that threatened both the Democrats and the Republicans. But R.F.K. Jr. his position in, in the 2024 election originally was as officially a kind of, a kind of, what, we understand this. He's a spoiler. Well, I'll never forget. We did a wonderful piece at the Daily Beast about the woman who financed R.F.K. Jr. And I, I've mentioned her to you before, but I was fascinated by her story because she came from very modest backgrounds. Her name was Nicole Shanahan. And on her Bachelorette party to her first husband, she met Sergei Bryn, the co-founder of Google. Loan behold, after she gets married, 27 days after she gets married, her husband files for divorce because he's discovered she's having an affair with Sergei Bryn. She goes on to marry Sergei Bryn, co-founder of Google. So very wealthy man. And who does she end up having an affair with? But any even wealthier man, Elon Musk. And it was her divorce settlement. It was a very quick divorce. Her divorce settlement ended up funding R.F.K. Jr.'s election campaign and he selected her to be his vice presidential candidate and she presented herself as an AI lawyer. We spoke to one of her friends who said she knows as much about AI as a tennis ball. So it's just again, stranger than fiction. She would also make a great film alongside Daniel J. Sullivan. This has little relevance to the story of the two Daniel Sullivan's, but nevertheless, it should be repeated again and again because it is an American story at this point in time. It's an American story and there was one moment, apparently, where Elon Musk fell to his knees and asked Sergei Bryn to forgive him because the two men had been friends up until that point. Great. Amazing. I mean, you just, you cannot make it up. It's why I can't read novels at the moment unless they're old novels because there's nothing matching what's happening right now. But let's go back to Mary Peltola, but well, let's go down the list, the list here. Hold on. Let's just go back to Mary Peltola who says that she didn't know this was going on. She fired a ton of her campaign staff and it appears to have been a disgruntled ex staffer who came forward and said, actually, the campaign was involved in recruiting Daniel J Sullivan. And then she tried to take it back from the New York Times who said, not so fast, this actually matches with other reporting we've done. And my concern, you think it might make the Democrats think, you know, democratic voters think, oh, great, the Democrats are finally matching or meeting the Republicans where they are. I worry that it's just going to make people think, oh, they're all at it. They're all corrupt. They're all as bad as each other. Well, they already think that I'm not sure that that stops. I'm not sure that it starts anyone from voting. I mean, there is the only of two choices. Well, actually, in this case, you don't, you don't, you have four choices because there's another man on the ballot too. I hope that everybody votes for Daniel J Sullivan. And the man who is inaccessible gets sent to Washington and turns out probably to be an incredible guy is a former school teacher. It's just a great, I mean, who would who would not be in favor of that? Yes. That's what we want. That's what I'm voting for if I, well, if I were in Alaska. All right. So let's go to the seven races and let's place our bets. Okay, Texas. I'm, I'm, I think Tolerico is going to win. I, I'm not so sure. I feel, I'm swayed by a conversation I have with a senior official at UT University of Texas on Saturday where he said, you know what? No one will tell you this, but the thing is things are pretty good in Texas right now. I don't think James Talerico is going to get the vote. I say, you got to decide. This is either or I think it's going to be a squeaker. I think it's going to be a squeaker. I think squeaker. Squeaker doesn't, doesn't, doesn't, of course, it's going to be a squeaker, but who's going to squeak ahead according to Joanna calls. I, I, you know what? I'm going to come down on Talerico's side. Let's vote for the future here. Let's vote for the future. Let's, let's hope that his combination of a faith and kind of slightly holier than now is going to work. Okay, but against this is probably not. We know, we know you hope that he's going to win, but this is now a call. Joanna calls is calling. All right. I'm calling it for Talerico. Okay. Me too. I actually don't think Talerico is going to win, but I'm calling it for Talerico. And I have it both ways. No, no, you can't, you can't. So you don't think he's going to win. So you're calling it for Paxton. I think Elon's money in Texas is going to make a difference and I'm calling it for Paxton. Okay. I'm calling it for Paxton. Okay. Main. I'm calling it for Susan Collins. Yeah. Me too. And the thing you hear about Susan Collins in Maine, not only has she been there for 30 years at this point, but almost everybody in Maine has met Susan Collins. I mean, it's a tiny, it's a tiny population. And she's been there long enough that everybody knows someone. If they haven't met her, who has met her. And that makes an enormous difference when you think about people, it lessens the gap between us and the politicians. Okay. What about Michigan? El Sayed versus Mike Rogers. El Sayed. I don't think so. I don't think. El Sayed is going to, I think the vote that's tension. Your Rogers, I'm El Sayed. Well, I'm not Rogers. I just don't think El Sayed is going to get the black vote. No, no, no, let me just go over what we're doing here. It's you're, we're we're making our predictions. Who do you think is going to win? I think El Sayed is going to win in Michigan. I think Mike Rogers is going to win in Michigan. Great. Alaska. Remember how I'm just going to defend my decision here. This is not what I necessarily want to happen. I'm just going to say, we know, we know, we know, we know, we know, people have forgotten the Haley Stevens, the congresswoman who got elbowed out of the way. I know. These are just, we're just, we're just making political, political, I think Detroit is not going to come out vote for El Sayad. That's what I think. Okay, great, great. I mean, I mean, yeah, thanks. That could be perfectly, that's perfectly reasonable, and it may well be true, so you don't have to feel guilty for that. No, I'm just. If you do feel guilty. I feel. Alaska. Alaska. I'm with Mary. You're with. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Daniel J. Sullivan, I'm going to say Daniel J. No, I think Mary's going to win. And if she doesn't win, and this is, I mean, how amazing would this be if they campaign has hired this Midwestern operative, political operative. They run a spoiler, she loses the election, and she loses the Democrats, the Senate. Yep. Well, that would be painful. Ohio. Ohio. Yeah, Sheridan Brown, I think Sheridan Brown is coming. Okay, now let's just. Let's just. Hold on. Hold on. Whether or not John Hustead's amazing muscle-ridden ass should be running its own campaign. They should have added the ass, John Hustead's ass as a spoiler because Donald Trump was so fascinated by it. Well, let's get. I want to get to that because I have a point of view on Donald Trump and his admiration for physical attributes, which I think is a important political insight. But we will get to that. But first. Well, let's do. Sheridan Brown, we'll pass. Yes. But South Carolina, which I find really, really interesting. I think that's the most interesting call here. The most interesting possibility that Darlene Graham, who is Donald Trump, is 100% responsible for her. In fact, she could very well lose this race. Yeah, I'm going to go for Annie Andrews here. I think Annie Andrews, the doctor is going to win over Darlene Graham. I think that Darlene Graham is going to lose. Fantastic. I mean, just that would be. I actually think that Darlene Graham will probably win, unfortunately. And I think it's marvellous and remarkable that she might not. Anyway, I'm going to be under pressure. Well, she's clearly under pressure. I'm on the Darlene. I'm going to. Darlene is my call. We've been saying seven. And we've actually only done six. But in fact, if we add Iowa and Kansas, it's eight. So Iowa is a very interesting one. Josh Turek, who's an incredibly impressive. He's in a wheelchair and he's a gold medal basketball player, I think. Up against Ashley Hintson, who's a very effective campaigner. They're both good campaigners. Josh Turek is the Democrat. I mean, we can just. We ought to just focus for a moment on. I mean, Iowa and Kansas are interesting because the enormity of. the impact where they to elect Democrats is, you know, I think we're into the unimaginable territory. I mean, what that means, what that would mean is that the distaste, the contempt, the hatred for Donald Trump is so much greater than I think anyone understands. That would be a measurement. Okay. So what are you saying? Are you saying Josh Turek or Ashley Hintson? Ashley Hintson has been campaigning with Donald Trump. I actually think that in both cases, the Republican will win. Oh, I don't think that Roger Marshall is going to win in Kansas. Great. I think that you have, again, once. I mean, he's a slightly different generation than I'll say it, but I think Adam Hamilton, who's a pastor, is a once in a generation, old, a boomer candidate, or I guess technically he's Gen X, but he is a phenomenal candidate, and he's come from nowhere, and he speaks of really being in the middle of being moderate. He speaks as if he's an independent, which I think will appeal to the voters. And he's, like James Talleriko, talks a lot about his faith. I mean, I think the secret for these Democrats in really Republican states is that they all talk about God and they talk about their faith. And Adam Hamilton tells that. Well, that would be an interesting measure. I mean, these are liberal clergymen. So their faith is significantly different than the evangelical faith. So do they get to pass here as in that amorphous world of Christianity? I would be surprised. Well, Adam Hamilton has a huge congregation. I mean, his congregation is, I think, 25,000, and he's a very effective speaker. You know, I hear. I'm listening. I think it would be, yes, let's do it. That would be great. And that would be it, as I say, a measure, a profound measure. So we'll say, I don't think it's going to happen. I think, I think Ashley Hinson will squeak ahead in Iowa, but I do think Adam Hamilton's going to win in Kansas. Great. Okay. So I've totally forgotten which are predictions are now. I can't remember if I went four or against Talleriko. You went four Talleriko. We both went for Collins. No, I went four Paxton. Oh, yes. We are a force to decide you went for Paxton. Susan Collins, we both went for. You went for Mike Rogers. I went for Al Sayed. You went for Daniel. The middle. Daniel J. Sullivan. Daniel J. Sullivan. No. I think Mary Peltola will win, Alaska. Okay. We're both on Mary's side. Yeah. You think any. Well, this is about being on their side. It's about where we think they'll win. I get it. Absolutely. But sometimes people don't understand. I get comments saying, "I'm a huge fan of John Thune." I'm not a huge fan of John Thune. Other than I know he secretly hates Donald Trump and he's taller than Donald Trump. It drives Donald Trump man. It sounds to me like you're a huge fan of. South Carolina. I think any Andrews will win. You think Darlene Graham will win. Exactly. We both think Brown is going to win. I think the Republicans are going to win in Kansas and Iowa and you think the Democrats are going to win. No. I think Ashley Hinson is going to win in Iowa. She's the Republican. But I think that Adam Hamilton is going to win in Kansas and we will have, on election night, we will hold each other to account. We should do the house. The house races too because they're a whole set of screwball races thinking about future movie scripts. Let's do those on Saturday. What day is today? Thursday. Yes. Let's do them on Saturday. Okay. We can't forget Max Miller who is just a grim character and Lauren Boe but famously seen on grainy black and white CCTV, groping some guy when she went to the movies and vaping significantly. Save it for Saturday. Okay. These are all too good. And these are all, by the way, races in which these comic figures are deeply imperiled. But anyway, save it for Saturday. Let's do Trump and physical attributes. Okay. There's a, there's a perspective here that I want to add. So anyway, we know Trump is, is, it's one of his go to things when he talks about anybody. And women and men. I mean, it was, it was, I mean, we've, I think the bias was what we felt that's he just talks about women this way. But he doesn't just talk about women that way. He talks about men too, always whether they're too fat or whether they're, they're, or whether he admires them in some way, whether they're handsome, it is that it's a baseline for him. And when he says, says, oh, he wants someone from central casting, that's, that's part of it. It's all about how people look. And. Did he ever say to you when you went to sit with him and then you stayed for seven months in the White House. Did you ever talk to him? Did he say that you're so? Well, no, but I wasn't sure if he ever commented. Did he ever say, you're bald, why don't you wear a two-pay or something? No, Joanna, he never, he never said that. But he did, he did say, I, I hear you have a hot wife. Interesting. Well, you do have a hot wife. Victoria is very hot. She's fantastic. So, um, but I, I want to, so there's a perspective that I think that I think we, we forget, but it is, I think, elemental to understanding Donald Trump, um, understanding how he sees himself and how he sees the world. And it is hard to appreciate because we see Donald Trump and he's a grotesque. I, I mean, look at this, this, this, um, uh, this overmaid up sweaty. I mean, it's, I mean, it's, it's It's horrifying. And actually, I think he has put this to good use. And I mean, he stands out among everyone. Um, he stands out for his size. He stands out for his hair. He stands out for the absurd color of his skin. He stands out for these, the ridiculous way he wears his suits. Didn't he say to Stormy Daniels when she asked him as they were lying in bed after a romantic encounter at a celebrity golf match, um, what's with the hair? And he said people remember it. Yeah, no, no, I very much. He had a level. That's, that's one of the few times when I found him to have a kind of level of self awareness about, um, about, about himself and about the way he looks. Um, because otherwise he carries himself as though, as though he looks in a, and everyone should look the way he looks, um, um, you know, that it's, I mean, there, there is no nod to the fact that he looks like a clown. But I want to, I want to just add a dimension to this, which again, it's hard to remember because of the way he looks and just hard to remember because, because his career at this point has been so long. But Donald Trump spent a long time, the 60s, the 70s, certainly into the 80s as a kind of a beautiful boy. I mean, Donald Trump was good looking. Donald Trump was kind of famous for being good looking and good looking in that, in that, um, in that sort of, you know, B movie star way, um, he had sort of nitting pattern. Good looks. Yeah. I mean, he was, you know, there was nothing distinguished about, about, about his looks, except that they were, they, they were a kind of, um, they were a kind of American, you know, um, I don't know, maybe a, a kind of classic you would cast him as the perfect playboy. Mm hmm. So what are you saying that he's now turned himself into a parody? But well, partly, I think I'm, I'm saying that part of understanding Donald Trump, what's in Donald Trump's head is that he sees himself as, um, as, as the, as the, as, as someone who people admire, who people, who people look at, he wants to be looked at, he's used to being looked at, he's used to being a, a, um, an object of dare, I say, desire. That just sends a, a chill through me. But again, it's part of a sort of Hollywood through line, isn't it? That someone who starts off, as you say, with, with B movie, good looks, becomes increasingly grotesque. It, it is like the old Vordville and Taina. And it reflects on how he sees the world. That's why he's always talking about the way people looks. That's what he relates to. It's a world. It's a superficial world. Well, it'll be so interesting to see if the candidates, he's backed like Darlene Graham and like Ken Paxdon. I mean, he's so rude about the way Ken Paxdon looks. He's not, I don't think commented on how Darlene looks, because I'm sure she's not his feminine ideal, but Ken Paxdon, he's rude about to Ken Paxdon's face. And Ken Paxdon just smiles and looks like he's enjoying the humiliation. That's all you can do. All you can do. Well, Michael, I can't wait to come back and talk about, as you say, the screwballs in the house that are going to be up for, for re-election, Lauren Bobert, Max Miller. And we'll be talking about, yeah, Tom Kane from New Jersey, who disappeared for several months, told everybody that he was absolutely fine. Nevertheless, didn't seem to do any constituency business, was very busy stock trading and then came back and said he'd been depressed. Then we've got Anna Paulina Luna in Florida, and we've also got Maria Alveira Salazar in Florida, who made a video imploring the president to stop ICE arrests in the streets saying that all those Hispanics who'd voted for him were now going to turn against him. Which they may well do. Anyway, we will come to this on Saturday and have some fun. Yes, we will. All this is fun. We get to have fun right up until election night, and maybe we'll have fun on election night. But as I say, I've been to a many election nights, and they often end snatched fun. That's democracy, isn't it? It keeps you guessing. Let's just not forget Katie Zachariah. I don't ever want to forget Katie Zachariah. Katie Zachariah, the short-lived press secretary, who has been out doing a tour, a sort of motivational tour, I would say. So she reinvented herself within hours. As a motivational speaker. Yeah. As a motivation speaker. I guess there's a model, so this is the scaramucci of it all. Yes, although she doesn't have her own financial company that scaramucci does. He has skybridge capital, which he doesn't really want to have skybridge capital. He wants Anthony wants to be a front center. I think Anthony wants to run for something. I think that's what his latest book is. I think he's sort of laid out a platform for what he thinks should come next. But Katie Zachariah has interestingly been. Well, maybe Katie Zachariah will run for something. Maybe we will all run for something. Maybe Anthony and Katie should run. Yes, they should certainly tour together. They should tour together. She's been doing the rounds of the MAGA press, talking about how actually it turns out to have been a strengthening experience. It's been a bonding experience with her family, her neighbors, batted away. What are they called? Those people when they come and sort of look at a car wreck. Rubber neckers. Well, sort of rubber neckers, but they're sort of disaster tourists. They've been, they found out her address was out there and people started coming and taking pictures of the house because, you know, because it was such a story. Anyway, the dearly departed Katie Zachariah, she's going to be back out there. She's not departing. She's not departing. All right, Michael, we will be back on Saturday. We'll give our race predictions for the house. And if you have been thank you for joining us, don't forget to subscribe to the Daily Beast to get all your up-to-date information about the election and the crazy that's going on right now and all the things that the White House are planning if things don't go their way. That's just the DailyBeast.com. And don't forget to share this podcast with your friends or enemies. 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