Why Trump Melts Down When Women Humiliate Him

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When there's an intelligent woman that says you're not attractive and the Stormy Daniels case, and you're a terrible lay to pump Trump, and then he just completely goes ballistic because they have exposed him for the fraud that he is. And that's what they all have in common. I think they put a mirror up and they've injured him, and they've caused narcissistic injury to his ego. I'm Joanna Coles. This is the Daily Beast podcast, and this is part four, the final part of our series on Trump's women inside Trump's women is where we've been for the last four weeks with Nell Scovale. You've laughed at Nell's lines in The Simpsons in Sabrina, The Teenage Witch on Letterman, and Nell has joined us again today. Today we're going to get into the women who Trump claims are not my type. And with Nell is going to be Jen Welsh, a favourite podcaster who's got specific insights into why Trump has such weird relationships with women, weird relationships with women, but Nell also has another, well, also weird claim to fame, which is now it's possible that you put the idea of having sex in a Bergdorf Goodman changing store into Donald Trump's head. Now that, of course, is the scene of his crime with E. Jean Carroll, for which he paid $5.8 million, I believe. $5 million plus interest. I don't think he was using it in quite the way you were suggesting, do tell. No, I thought that a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room would be a fine place to have consensual sex. And I said so in an article that I co-wrote in Spy Magazine back in 1987, I think it was. And Spy, if people remember, had a centerfold that was a map of New York. And sometimes it would be maps of places where movies were shot or, you know, the flower district. I thought it would be funny to do a map of Midtown Quickies. Because, you know, you could get a hotel, but those are expensive. So the idea was, what are the free places in Midtown Manhattan where you could find privacy for, you know, for a long time? And Midtown Quickie. Right. Back in the days when people had lunchtime quickies, because if you were having one, you were probably having it. Well, maybe you were having it with someone you worked with, which of course people don't do anymore. Now the whole landscape of Quickies is strange. Right. I mean, this was, it was held in Gurley Brown's town back then. So Gurley Brown's town, the former editor of Cosmopolitan. So I ran around different buildings. And what I discovered was the Burr Dorf Goodman third floor, I believe, had these very large, very comfortable, carpeted, changing rooms. But one of the problems, as I noted in my article, was that the doors didn't lock. And I suggested you could put a chair up against one. So my ears pricked up when Donald Trump was accused by E. Jean Carroll and later found guilty of sexual assault. And he posted, quote, I don't know E. Jean Carroll. I never abused her or raped her or took her to a dressing room 25 years ago in a crowded department store where the doors are locked. So I literally in this article wrote, door doesn't lock. And also noted how it wasn't that crowded. Well, I've got actually how you described the, the changing rooms in Burr Goodman cost free. We like that. Atmosphere, quiet, clean, posh. So this was an abacrombian fetch. Pluses, individual room, measuring nine feet by four feet, large three-way mirror, plush carpeting, convenient to shopping. So you could have sex and then go shopping. Well, and in E. Jean Carroll's story, it starts by Trump is looking for a gift for a lady friend and asks for her help. And then you may be asking, well, why would Trump read this in Spine magazine? He only reads things about himself. Well, it turned out another place for a midtown quickie right next to Burr Dorf Goodman was a hallway in Trump tower where I said that the atmosphere was eerily quiet and secluded. And that's the weird thing about Trump tower. If you're a New Yorker, it's never in a location. People wanted to hang out at. It has those trashy public garden. And so I thought that too would be a great place to. Well, you describe it cost free. Atmosphere, eerily quiet and secluded. Pluses, location, location, location. Space measuring 11 feet by four feet, easy escape route down equally deserted fire stairs. So it's highly possible that he saw that who knows if he's had quickies himself in Trump tower like that. But also, Spine magazine used to write about Donald Trump. So it's highly plausible that he read this. It was before the date that E. Jean Carroll says that her abuse took place. And of course, Spine magazine coined him as the short-fingered vulgarian. So we know he read it. Right. He was also the failed Queen's born casino operator. He had a bunch of names. He was also named in the very first spy as one of the 10 most embarrassing New Yorkers. Anyway, this guy has been semi-covering for a very long time. And I think it is so hard to wrap my brain around him being this important and still having to think about him. But we're one of the reasons to bring up E. Jean Carroll is despite this awful thing she had to go through. She beat him. She beat him in court. She got her 5 million. It went all the way up to the Supreme Court and they declined to take the case. And she has another case pending to with an even bigger award of 83 million against Donald Trump, which he's continuing to kick down the legal road will eventually also go up to the Supreme Court. I'm assuming. And we assume they will toss it back. Right. And with her lawyer, Robbie Kaplan, by her side, I hope they get it. Okay, so now let's go to Jen Welsh. Now Jen, I know you have opinions and you're also a woman that gets under Donald Trump's skin. Hey Jen, so my first question for you is your tall. I would say you actually are Donald Trump's type. And if you met him, I think he would use his go-to line, which friends have told me. He always says when he meets a new woman and he just kind of purrs, you're so beautiful. - If Trump said that to you, what would you say back? - I think I would say pardon me. I need to go take a silkwood shower now. And I think you ladies are old and I have to remember Karen's silkwood in the movie where she would work at Carnegie gas station and then she would have to go rub off all the potential radiation exposure. - Before we get into the specifics of the women who are able to get under Donald Trump's spray tan skin, what is it that suburban women liked about Donald Trump? - You know, I think what they like about Donald Trump is he is representative of their broken husbands. There's so many, there's so much dysfunction in suburbia and Donald Trump is an example that see, we're normal. He, his, Donald Trump slaps and tickles around behind Melania's back. My husband's done that with his secretary or with this assistant and their pastor did it and he gives this sense of normalcy to all of their dysfunction. If the president of the United States does it, then it can't be so bad for me. - That's such an interesting perspective on it. So his misery keeps them company. The misery of his behavior keeps them company. - Yeah, it's familiar and it's comfortable. You know, it's really awkward if you're in a really dysfunctional relationship and then you're around a super functional double date with people that are really functional and really respectful. You'd feel like, God, this is really awkward. I mean, they really seem to be in love. And I think that so dysfunction is so ubiquitous, particularly in the suburbs. I mean, everybody wants to present this keeping up with the Jones forward looking face with all of their manicured lawns, but behind every door is just an avalanche of dysfunction. And I think Trump normalizes that for them. I think that he normalizes the duplicity that on the one hand outwardly this family is a good family and outwardly they love each other, but on the inside, there's just a shit ton of dysfunction. - So what do you think the suburban women think when they look at Melania? - Okay, brace yourselves ladies. I actually know what they think. They think she's a class act because I've had conversations with my friends in Oklahoma City that are MAGA aligned and/or triple-trumpers. I said, well, what do you think about Melania? And like, I mean, she's just like Jackie Kennedy. I mean, my God, is she a class act? And I'm always like, are we talking about the same person here? I mean, I just, I can't, for me she's just reeks of gold digger. She reeks of wanting to be relevant. She seems so thirsty, just so thirsty. And so, she tries too hard. Every time I see her, I think, God, she's trying so hard to look classy, which just erases all of it. And then you can tell him that she hates her husband, but they really think she's like a class act. They buy into the whole seven languages thing. They like her. - You know, Trump thinks he's pretty hot stuff. And I was gonna read you a quote. You might wanna get ready for a second silk with shower. But earlier, Trump did say, all of the women on the apprentice flirted with me consciously or unconsciously. That's to be expected. A sexual dynamic is always present between people unless you are asexual. - I mean, at this stage, sure, why not? I mean, yeah, this doesn't surprise me in the least bit that he thinks this. I think the delusions of grandeur with this man are literally what your psychology professor would explain to you about delusions of grandeur. I think he looks in the mirror and he doesn't see this gaping neck vagina that we all see. That's an craving a plastic surgeon to just, you know, just in an act of patriotism. Just lift the damn thing up for the country for God's sake. He looks in the mirror and he sees prime Brad Pitt looking back at him and he can't imagine that everybody wouldn't just want to sleep with him. And I think we all as women have probably had experiences with men that think they're really good and bad. And we leave the bed thinking that was terrible. And I'm sure that all of the women that have left the bed with him, and we know this from Stormy Daniels, left rather underwhelmed by the entire experience. - So what is this about the women, Jen, that managed to get under his skin? So, I mean, now obviously Marjorie Taylor Greene, who was a huge supporter and now, you know, stepped away from him very firmly. Rosie O'Donnell, Taylor Swift, there's a very specific kind of woman that doesn't necessarily, they don't necessarily seem to have very much in common, apart from the fact that they can really get under Donald Trump's skin. It's, and they're the women's like Eugene Carroll and her lawyer, Robbie Kaplan, who I know you know have won against him, have won. - So I think that these women, what they all have in common is that they have revealed to Trump that they know he's a fraud. And so he is a con artist, he's a blowhard, he is a snake oil salesman. And to these suburban women, he can pull it off. They're like, oh, if that locker room talk of Trump, what a hoot he is. That McLean, Melania, she's such a class act, we just love her, but when there's an intelligent woman that says you're a bullshit artist, and I know you are, and you're not attractive in Stormy Daniels case, and you're a terrible lay, too, pomp, chomp, and then he just completely goes ballistic because they have exposed him for the fraud that he is. And that's what they all have in common, I think. They put a mirror up and they've injured him, and they've caused narcissistic injury to his ego. Yeah, well, Rosie O'Donnell did call him a snake oil salesman. And, you know, there does seem to be a difference between the way he reacts when a woman who is not his type rejects him, and when a woman like Taylor Swift or Caitlin Collins rejects him, it seems to pierce him in a different way. Yeah, I think you're right. I think that if it's somebody that he deems in his opinion wouldn't be an equal in attractiveness. And I can't believe I'm saying that because he's so wildly unattractive, but he thinks he's so good looking. He wants to, there's this visceral hatred, but then when it's somebody like Caitlin Collins who's so pretty, there's this public desire to, to me when he goes after somebody like Caitlin Collins, he's publicly trying to convince everybody around that she's actually not that great. She's trying to diminish her looks and her journalistic integrity. So let's talk about what men think about Donald Trump in terms of his sex appeal, and in terms of his pulling power. And the fact that he's always surrounded by very beautiful women. So if anchor Trump has left him, his daughter's got out of politics altogether 'cause she couldn't stand it. His wife appears to have just moved towns. We have no idea why she lives. She may be in Florida part of the time. She may be in Trump tower. He's surrounded by very attractive young women, his workwise, we've got Natalie Hart, we've got Margot Martin, who looks like an identicate younger version of Melania. He's famous for having these younger attractive women around him in the workplace, other than Susie Wiles, who Anthony Scaramucci earlier in our series called Mrs. Doubtfire. Do you, is this part of his performance for other men? To say, hey, look, I've got a hot piece of ass behind a desk in, you know, just outside the overall office. Is this about him showing off? What is this about? - I think that's exactly what it is. I think he projects what he thinks, a real, healthy, realized alpha male would want. And he projects that out because he so lost at sea in trying to find what that is. Nothing about being masculine comes natural to him. Nothing in the sense of the way we have learned about real men, say it's a Disney movie, or in the way that we've read literature, that they stand up for the marginalized. He doesn't relate to that at all. And so he relates to the most caveman low-hanging fruit aspect of it. I'm gonna have this hot piece of ass here. And then he, you know, I think you've seen this clip before and some young girls introducing him, and he goes up and he kind of gives her a hug, and then he's like, to the crowd, like, what's she not? And it's always this just, you know, this crusty white man, you know, they think they're such sexual creatures, and he is just the worst at this. But you ask him, like, all the men hanging around him, him, this is where I think it gets really weird. All of the men around Trump are so obsequious to him. And they remind me of tradwives. They are so submissive and so subservient. They cannot stand up to him. I mean, can you imagine having to sit through one of those cabinet meetings? I mean, a normal person would go, "For God's sake, shut the fuck up! You've gone on and on." And they sit there and smile one after another and take it on the chin. It is a masterclass. I can't even call it beta male. I would say, "Zeta male." I've never seen a group of men so submissive to another man. And that man is so unworshipworthy. I can see if we were all around like Obama or, I don't know, George Clooney or something. God, he's really got that raise. He's really has that it factor. With Trump, he's such a bizarre person from the looks all the way to how he does not feel shame when people are praising him non-stop. A normal person would go, "Ugh, stop." But he just sits there and he's like, "Oh, see, I told you. I am great." And he doesn't feel anything. It's really, it's bizarre watching it. At this stage in the fascist takeover, I'm not surprised by anything Trump does. Nothing. He doesn't surprise me anymore. I still am shocked at all of these Republican men that claim that we love the military and we love the country and we're patriots. We love family values. It's just what was as they are. Just how weak minded these men are that they cannot stand up to this man. We've been talking a bit about Melania and how one of the big differences between the first administration and this one is she went from being 46 to 56, which means she most likely went through the change in the interim. And how she even opened up a task force for menopause, this march for the White House, and just how maybe like a lot of women who go through menopause, she just doesn't give a fuck anymore. She stopped caring what people think about her. She's just going to get her money. And do we like that for her? No, I don't like anything for Melania. And I wish I could be a bigger person and say I do, but I don't. I don't want, I don't like anything possible for her. She is, I think it's just an absolutely horrific person. She cares enough about certain things like when Amanda Ungaro, her former best friend, started tweeting up a storm about knowing some men tell on her, then she does this surprise press conference. She cared enough in the bogus 40 million dollar payoff that she got to make sure that everybody, not only in the United States, but in the world, knows that she does not screw her husband. They could have cut that part out, but she made sure that the world knows I do not screw my husband. So I'm not buying into this that Melania, all of a sudden is liberated and doesn't give a shit about stuff anymore because I think that's the thing that eats the trumps up all the time. They care what everybody thinks about them. And they want to change everybody's opinion of them. But if everybody on the planet said, oh, Donald Trump's incredible. He's a great dad. He's a great president, super smart, huge penis, great golfer. In every single eight billion people on the planet said that he'd still be broken. And all of the men that serve him would still be broken. And Melania'd still be broken. And Don Jr. would still be broken. The whole lot of them. I mean, we have literally, we're elevating the bad guy right here. We are elevating the most dysfunctional family in the United States and wrapping it up in traditional family Christian values. It's just such bullshit. I'm just so, I don't know about you, ladies. I just get so tired of watching it. The trumps I don't mind watching as much, but all the people acting and feigning like they're this great family is the part that just is so sickening to me. When the cabinet secretaries get home and they're talking to their wives and they're nearly all men as we know the only people who've been fired from this cabinet of incompetence are women. What do you think they're saying to their wives? What do you think Marco Rubio says to his wife when he gets home and she's like, how was Donald Trump today darling? What do you think JD Vance is saying to Usha Vance? I mean, first of all, JD Vance to Usha. I can't even imagine that he even goes home and speaks to her because did you see when she hosted him on her podcast? How he sat down and goes, how you doing? And like, had it her last passage. I was like, that's weird. Furthermore, JD Vance cannot condemn a racist Nazi group chat that had all sorts of anti-indian, pro white Nazi stuff in it. He can condemn the group chat. Meanwhile, his wife is of Indian descent. His kids are mixed race. So any notion that these people have functional relationship at work or functional relationships at home is just a fool's errand. I mean, these are truly emotionally stunted people. JD Vance, in my opinion, contrary to what Amanda Ungaro thinks. I think that JD Vance is America's top prostitute because JD Vance has been bought and paid for by the tech billionaires. They bought him because four years ago, wasn't he saying or, you know, six years ago, saying Trump was America's Hitler. And now we're at a 180. So these people have no credibility. And as it pertains to Marco Rubio, I just envisioned him going home. I bet his wife hates him. And she's like, well, you better be president out of this thing. And if I were him, I mean, I don't know if there'd be a bottle of vodka big enough that I could drink away the soul selling that this man has done because he knows better. I mean, I'm not saying he was a great politician or somebody that I agreed with, but he wasn't mag and nutty. He was, he was a right winger, but he wasn't this level of depravity. So I don't think there's this world where they go home and have healthy conversations with their wives. I think these people are as broken as you can get. And Marco Rubio, you can see the breakage on his face. You can see this man is completely broken and he is owned. And that's the part about watching all of these men, their weakness on display. And I would imagine their wives probably don't talk to them. I don't think there's, it's come by y'all. How is work today, honey? But I think behind Donald Trump's back, I think they all talk behind his back. I think at the, at the White House, I think that's probably the most toxic work environment there is. I'm sure they're always throwing each other under the bus, tattletailin, jockeying for Trump's attention. And I think Trump loves that shit. I think he is a big gossip. He probably loves to the minute Marco walks out. I'm sure he loves to trash him. And then JD Vance walks out. I'm sure he trashes him. I mean, this is like kindergarten stuff. So what do you think about Susie Wiles? Trump used to call her the refrigerator when he first met her. He was like, I don't want the refrigerator. But Jared Kushner was very involved in getting Susie Wiles placed at, at Mar-a-Lago initially. And then obviously after he won the election, she's now the first female chief of staff. What do you think about her? She's a grandmother. She's described Trump as Trump describes himself as having an alcoholics personality. What's your take on her as a sort of grandmother of the White House? Well, I think that, again, this is a broken person. Susie Wiles dad was an alcoholic. And so the fact that she says Trump has an alcoholics personality, it shows you that all of the people that are gravitated to this world are broken. And this brokenness feels familiar to them. Susie Wiles being around a blowhard abuser like Donald Trump feels comfortable because one could assume her father, as most alcoholics are, when their drunk are emotionally and psychologically abusive and their gaslighters and all of that stuff. So in order for her to be able to tolerate this type of work environment, it felt like she came from some healthy space. And it's like, wow, I'm the chief of staff in the White House. I mean, again, these people are really, really broken. So she had to come from a very broken place to be able to accept this job. And maybe she's a little bit more reasoned. But look at all the shit that he does. I mean, nobody reigns him in. Nobody says, hey, I think this is, you know, you're taking this too far because by design, one thing that Trump has learned from Trump 1.0 to Trump 2.0 is he has learned I'm not going to have anybody in the room like Anthony Scaremochi that's going to say, hey, I think this is a bad idea. He wants people to tell him exactly what he wants to hear. And then I think he enjoys humiliating them. Like, I don't know if you remember Mark Rubio and the shoes that were too big for him. And then they dressed him up on Air Force 1. Like, he was a little doll. They dressed him up in the same Nike sweatsuit that Maduro had from Vince Whalen. They took a picture of him and put it on social media. And this is the freaking secretary of state. Like, look, we have him in this same outfit. I'm like, it's just the humiliation kinks that go both ways, the emotional sadomasochism in this thing. It's really one for the ages. It's just. God, I keep what every time what we even talk about this, I think, my God, we are governed by such emotionally broken people. Well, this is why I get angry at Melania and Ivanka is I do think they were actually sources of comfort, of mediation and the fact that they have cut out and just left women behind and and families behind and said, I'm just going to go and join my life on my endless vacation. I think it's it's cruel. Like they should be there and sucking up some of that humiliation in order to literally protect millions. Yeah, but you know, I don't think they have that in them. I always think what I would do in their situation, but the reason they're in the situation that they're in so comfortably is they don't have a normal person's instincts about these things. And if you think about Ivanka in particular, think about how her dad is a felon and then think about Jared Kushner, his dad's a felon. So both of these people are married and both of their dads are completely broken dysfunctional felons, both of them. So there is a comfort level that Ivanka and a comfort level that Melania have in being a part of this crime syndicate. It's familiar, it's comfortable. It's all they know. And as it pertains to Jared Kushner and this might be slightly off topic, but I think it's just wild that here's a man who is deeply in bed with the Saudis, right? And then Magas constantly like, oh my God, the Democrats and Sharia law. And I'm like, if y'all are so worried about this, y'all are the ones making billions of dollars off all the Muslim countries. So I mean, come on. Yeah, they were felons, but now once an ambassador and once the president and right. So what lesson do you learn from that? Like, there's some cognitive dissonance of wrongdoing. I mean, Kush, Charles Kushner was in jail. Right. And I don't think they do learn a lesson from it. The thing about Maga, and I've spoken to Joanna about this on her podcast, is that it is just like evangelical Christianity in this in the sense that there is forgiveness without accountability. And so the both of the convicted felons, one's an ambassador, one is the president of the United States. There's no accountability there. So this feeds this entitlement and this arrogance that the Trumps have and that the Kushners have that we are better than everybody else. We're above everybody else. The rules don't apply to us. And Joanna's asked me many times because I was born in race in the Bible about how do all these fundamentalist Christians? How did they support him? I'm like, well, it makes perfect sense because their evangelical preachers are just like this. Their criminals as well that are ripping off the congregation, you know, screwing men and bathrooms with poppers. And then they come and bootle baby cry to the congregation. And then they come, oh, we forgive you, Jesus forgives you. And then they, you know, send more money in. And it's just there's a sick part of American culture. We have a lot of beautiful things in our culture, but we have a lot of really sick things. And right now we're living in an era where the sickness is his risen. And so he is risen. Donald Trump in his sickness. Jamal, thank you so much for joining us. You always illuminate whatever we're talking about with your Oklahoma point of view. And it's so helpful. Yeah. And I'm not at all Donald Trump's type, but you are. And so you're speaking out against him. I find it especially meaningful. And thank you ladies so very much. I'm so happy and thrilled to be a part of this series. I love hearing from Jen. Fantastic to hear from her. Jen, thank you so much. We'll look forward to seeing you back on the podcast soon. So now we've got a short list of women. We've got Taylor Swift. We've got Rosie O'Donnell. And of course we've got E. Jean Carroll and Robbie Kaplan, who really get under Donald Trump's skin. What is it about them that is so annoyed him? That they don't agree with him 100% of the time. I think he claims he loves women, but he really only loves women who love him. And the second you voice any issue as we saw with Marjorie Taylor Greene, you instantly become the enemy. But also happened to Megan Kelly. At one point she really got under his skin during the debate when she was one of the moderators, he then comes out and accuses her of having blood coming out of her whatever whatever that means. That was so weird. But she then climbed back on the Trump bus and has been pretty much a secretive ever since. Yeah, that was a stunning turnaround. But also proof that all you have to do is say, I love you, Donald. And he loves you back. So what in particular was it about Rosie O'Donnell that got under his skin? I mean, she now credits him with reviving her career. Yeah, well, they weren't always enemies. I mean, Rosie went to Marlam, Maple and Donald's wedding. And there's a famous story of when she was in the hospital. She had a heart attack. And Trump actually wrote on X, Rosie, get better fast. I'm starting to miss you. And Rosie very, she very funny response. She said, well, thank you, Donald. I must admit your post was a bit of a shock. Are you trying to kill me? But, you know, the empathy was short lived. And pretty soon, you know, he, Megan Kelly actually has Trump about his use of language calling women fat pigs or dogs or disgusting animals. And his response was only Rosie O'Donnell, which the audience loved. Yeah, she was ahead of the curve. Like she got his number so fast. And on, on the view, she called him a snake oil salesman. I know it caused a lot of tension with her and her then boss Barbara Walters. And I remember asked once asking a friend why Barbara Walters would support Donald Trump over Rosie. And that friend who knew Barbara, well said, oh, please, Barbara will always side with the powerful man. Interesting. Well, it's the era she came up with. Yeah, it's the era she came up with. But Rosie O'Donnell was on to Donald Trump's Connery very early way before he ran as president. And then she became one of his first really public targets. She did. And she claims that one of the reasons she was on to him was because they didn't, they grew up fairly close to each other. He was in Queens. She was in Long Island. And she just said she knew guys like him. So no, after his second inauguration, Rosie decided to move to Ireland. Why was that? Well, in part, she has a child with autism and she was really freaked out by, you know, some of the things Kennedy was saying about children with autism. And she also said she read Project 2025. And it really freaked her out. Her mother was very Irish. So she moved back there. And she said she loved it, actually. But she's since back to New York. She has. And she's starring in a play that she wrote herself. She's guest hosting for Jimmy Kimmel. And I'm, I was really happy to hear that her say that most people come up to her on the street and thank her and and support her. And she gets very little hate for her position. So another woman that clearly gets under his skin. And we saw this after she got married. And he put out crazy social media posts triggered clearly by Taylor Swift. So what is it about Taylor Swift that so irritates him? Because again, they started out friends. He started out posting favorably about her saying, love Taylor Swift. And then somehow she got bigger than he did, I think. She got bigger than he did. Taylor Swift has this wonderful documentary called Miss Americana. And in it, she voices her political views. By the way, over her, her, the objections of her father, and she lets her audience know she is pro gay rights, pro reproductive rights. And that she does not intend to vote for Marsha Blackburn, who's running for Senate in her home state of Tennessee. And she actually calls Marsha Donald Trump in a wig. Right. So Donald Trump in a wig is Donald Trump. Yeah, especially big wig recently. And so his response after this was publicize was that he liked Taylor 25% less than he did before. Now, the thing is he's conflicted. I don't do you remember that he at one point he thought that the perfect [BLANK_AUDIO] boyfriend for Ivanka would be Tom Brady. So he likes those hypermasculine, Anthony Scaramucci was talking about that in an earlier episode. Right. So Taylor starts dating Travis Kelsey, who's a football player, and again, like, Trump can help himself. He wants to like them both, right? But they don't like him. They do not like them. And he does say he, he, he posed that, um, I hope they enjoyed their life, maybe together, maybe not most likely not. So he was just, that's his patterning, right? His patterning of it. And also when they get married and they put outside, uh, Madison Square Garden where they get married, they put out huge posts saying T and T just married. He responds to that in the same style by posting Donald Trump his president. Like we could ever forget. Um, and she did also endorse Kamala Harris, which post, which prompted a very mature post from our president, which was in all caps. I hate Taylor Swift. And also she responded when JD Vance said the thing which he now claims in his new book, Communion, he really regrets saying about child lit chart that the democratic party was run by childless cat ladies. Right. She started posting pictures of her cat. Um, so again, she hasn't backed down. I, I, you know, she does have friends by partisan friends and, um, that she, she, she seems to transcend politics. Well, she also seems to be the quintessential female figure too. I mean, she's both powerful. She's incredibly wealthy. She's very successful. She couldn't be more ambitious, but she also presents very beautifully. She's a very beautiful sexy young woman of the kind that Donald Trump and, well, she's probably too old for his old friend Jeffrey Epstein, but an incredibly attractive, girly woman who's beyond successful. So that reminds me of a story that stormy Daniels has told that the night of their trist, uh, Trump actually said, you remind me of my daughter, Ivanka. And I think Taylor Swift must remind him of Ivanka too. I mean, Taylor Swift is very tall. She's very statuesque and blonde, very successful. And, you know, isn't that the ultimate Trump woman? It's the one he literally created. Right. So it's narcissism writ large. Yeah. It's the extension and another limb. Another limb. Okay. Final woman who was on board with him and has now leapt aboard the Tucker train, Marjorie Taylor Green. She really got under his skin. He started calling her Marjorie traitor green. What was her? Oh, no, he called her Marjorie traitor brown. Oh, that's right. That's right. I thought he thought it was so clever. And I think we all assumed that changing green to brown was a reference to poop, right, or explosive, explosive diarrhea. But in fact, he has posted that the green turning to brown was a reference to grass. That grass when it is intended turns brown. And the last time I looked at the White House lawn was completely brown after the UFC match. They killed all the grass. So he would know. He would know. And also I was thinking of the reflecting pool that went from American flag blue to green to brown to brown. She's now talking to Tucker Carlson about a third American political party. She hates him that much. She feels let down by him. Why she would think he would stick with any of his promises? I do not know. But the war appeared to be the final straw from Marjorie Taylor Green. Right. It started with healthcare that her daughters were had complained about how much they were paying. And I guess you know, she woke up, right? Trump actually posted out about her. So what here's what Donald has to say. And look, she was by his side for the campaign. She was who loved Trump more than Marjorie Taylor Green. Right. There was no better surrogate. Yeah. And so now he's writing lightweight Congresswoman, Marjorie Taylor Brown, green grass turns brown when it begins to rot, betrayed the entire Republican party when she turned left, performed poorly on the pathetic view, and became the rhino that we all know she always was. Just another fake politician, no different than Rand Paul Jr. Thomas Massey, who got caught being a full fledged Republican in name only rhino. Make America great again. And she's been so harrased since she left Congress that she was receiving death threats. I mean, truthfully, the minute she left Congress, she was able to secure her pension. It very much looked like she'd stayed there until the day after she could claim her pension. And then she decided to leave. So I'm not holding her up as any kind of heroine here, but it's interesting the way she has managed to get under his skin and provoke him. And she just can't married. So, you know, maybe it's a message to all women that you'll be happier if you stand up to Donald Trump. You're equating getting married to being happy or well. Okay, so seem happy. Okay, so final, final, Caitlin Collins, who clearly gets under his skin, won't smile, won't smile at him, doesn't fact smile to other people. Well, she's a total professional. Her job is to ask him hard questions, and he doesn't like it. And he can answer them, whether it's because he doesn't know the answer or because he can't think of life fast enough. And when he can't, his go-to is to attack people for working for fake news, or to attack and it's usually women for their appearance or style. We've heard Quiet Piggy, you know, and Caitlin because she is very young and beautiful, gets a slightly more nuanced criticism, right? And he tells her that she should smile more. And that is just, to me, that is classic '80s New York. You know, when you walk by a construction site and I'm thinking about some article I need to write or planning something inevitably, a construction worker would shout, you know, "Smile, you look prettier if you smiled." You know, and you give them the salute. And that's done on Trump. He's still doing it. Nelskavel, it's been such a wonderful journey inside Trump's women with you. I'm looking forward to watching all the women that we've talked about, whether or not Lara Trump gets to the top of the pole, or whether or not Bettina Anderson, out bikinis her and gets their first. And maybe she gets to run for something who knows. But it's been such an interesting insight into Trump and the women around him. Yeah, I look forward to finding out if Melania actually does ever file for divorce and who Donald Trump Jr's third wife will be. If you have been, thank you for joining us for this series. We've had so much fun going inside Trump's women. And if this is just one episode you've caught of our four-part series, go back and watch the rest. We focus on Melania and Ivanka and Bettina Anderson, Don Jr's new wife Lara Trump, Kai Trump, the women trying to fill the gap that Melania has left with her absence. And then with David Rothkopf, we went into the White House and examined the work wives. Big thanks to our production team, Ryan Murray, John Romero, Rachel Passe, Heather Passaro, and Neil Rosenhouse. So the good news is we have so many bee-beast tier members now. There are too many names to read out and we really appreciate it.