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Speaker 6Or wherever you get your podcasts. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Right Time, presented by PrizePix. My name is Beaumont E. Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us. Give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is Time Machine Tuesday. But before we get to Jason Englund, talking about season four of The Wire, he was a riot. Protect College Sports Act. Protect College Sports. Yeah, I knew it. I can't remember if it was preserve. Protect. I knew it was some dramatic ass shit. You know what I mean? When they try to, the world's collapsing. It's a very law enforcement-esque word. It is. It is. Scare quote. Yeah. That's what it is. It's like, is it italics? Yes. Like the whole thing. Now look, I am firmly a believer that they need to figure something out. Because I do think that there's a measure of chaos as to what's going on now. And the people who are like, college sports is healthier than ever. Look at the ratings. I just don't think that we have to, we can't make ourselves the capitalists in such a way where we say the only thing that matters is whether or not people watch it on television. Right? Like I think there's, there's a lot more going on there. And clearly there were things that needed to be figured out. I just don't think they need to be figured out the way that they're trying to do this right here, which is of course, hating. You know what I'm saying? Just, just, just, just, just trying to get into, in players' pockets. That's the thing. It really, that, oh, that, I mean, that's the part that gets me. Now I will say this bill has changed many times because so many different people got to get what they want in order to make this happen. That's how bills in Congress get so bloated. You need this vote. You need that vote. Everybody needs a little of this. Everybody needs a little of that. Um, it said, what's what makes people frustrated about American government and also why this thing works. Correct. I understand that there's a bit of an irony in that statement, but here we go. Um, these are the things that I want to bring up right now, because I'm not, I'm not the person to explain this to you. Like if you want the whole bill, you're going to kind of need to look it up, especially now, because it's a little bit unwieldy, but one thing that as it started, there was going to be a $20 million cap on player spending across all sports per school. That number came out of that house settlement. So it wasn't like it was some scientifically derived number. It was just a number basically somebody pulled out of the air. Well, now that's up to $50 million with, um, I think it says it's a guaranteed five or $6 million for non $5 million, right? Here we go. $49 million, but 5 million reserved for non-revenue and Olympic sports. And, uh, we'll see exactly how that goes. Right. Because I did a show where I said that Penn state was the only school that had data available and they spent 6% of their budget on female sports. And I was incorrect. It was 0.6%. Right. I mean, I just, I took a handwritten note and took it down wrong. Their dollar meal was 0.6. Of course. How could it possibly be 0.6? Right. As I was hearing it, I knew the desperate one had to be somewhere. Why would it be before? I didn't hear the point. I thought he was saying the point was right. There's no way in the world that you were going to tell me that it was six. But one thing I find interesting about this, and to me is the part that just gives the game away. Look, there's stuff about when, uh, schools can leave conferences. There's also a provision here that says that a coach can't leave his current job for another job until his, the season is over for his current job. And that sounds really noble, but it's kind of out of line with how everything, there's a lot more changes that need to be made in order for that set up to work. To me, the biggest thing they need to get rid of is the early signing period. And I just don't think, I don't think that is the argument was that was going basically make it so the players could use it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the argument that they're making. I think that's the argument that they're making. spending. They're basically like, it's like a bond more or less. Is this the right way for me to look at this? Like they got to pay out every year on this. And then if they want to bail out, they can't. We just talked about this in Lincoln Riley yesterday where they own Lincoln Riley, something like $70 million, right? Here you go. Here's how you maybe save the day. Put a cap annually on how much these dudes can get. And by the way, $5 million is a lot of fucking money, a lot of money, especially for where they're going to be living. It's not a hundred million dollars. They live in Soho. It's $11 million that you live in starting before me and Donald, sorry, you live in Starkville. Like, but anyway, they can put a cap there, but they not doing that. You tell me you worried about running away spending, but you not doing that, right? I would go even farther, make it not. It's not simply about putting a cap on the coaches. If what you're trying to achieve is competitive balance, why is there not a cap on all spending? Why aren't you telling everybody this is how much you got to run an athletic program, make it happen. Cause the sec and big 10 bless their hearts. They increased the, the spending cap on athletes. And I think part of that was a very simple, very simple understanding, which is you can increase the cap or we're going to spend it anyway. Right. One way, one, one way or another, right? Like that, that, that, that's what, and of course they got more money, but that's what that appears to be. But if what you're really talking about is some measure of competitive balance, cap it all, cap it all. That'll save you. Right. You know, back in the day it was runaway facility spending. And that's the thing. A lot of, I don't think people understand about a lot of these programs is the long-term, debt that they are carrying from both facilities spent. Well, they're the same thing, but facility spending and stadium additions. Yes. Right. Like that's a lot of money that these teams are carrying on their balance sheet or these programs are carrying on their balance sheet. But if you was really about this game, do that like Corey Booker, you know, who I'm not in the business of agreeing with, but he says, if the bill supporters believe these rules are necessary for athletes, they should be willing to apply them to coaches as well. This bill sells out college athletes. Now he is a former college athlete. So I think he, he gets it in a slightly different way, but that's real. It's penitentiary steel, man. Like every, all, all of this applies to every other dime that gets spent. The only ones you don't want to spend are the ones that go to the players. That's it. You're not really trying to save anything. Okay. Because look on the coach spending in the buyout thing, I want to be clear. It's kind of crazy, but it's only crazy because we're crazy. Yes. Right. And this is what I mean by that. The buyouts exist. They're guarantees, right? They exist to say, Hey, I get this job for X period of time. Guaranteed contracts are very common in sports, right? They're common for players. They're common for coaches, everything. They're just guaranteed. The thing about college sports is because it, is based on recruiting. If things are going bad, you try to turn it around immediately because things going bad lead to things going worse because the signal of things going bad makes it harder for you to do the thing that makes things better, which is to get the players. But the other thing that makes it hard for you to get the players is if everybody believes that you're going to fire the coach. The buyout in theory should save you from that part. But once schools demonstrated, they're willing to pay people $50 million to get them to leave. Well, oh shit. Now this thing is completely out of control. What you need to figure out is something that encourages a system where a coach is going three and eight this year. You just take it as three and eight and you bring some, and you ride out the deal that you have. You're giving him time to fix it. And you allow him to fix that. Right. But you can't let a contract get to the end because if a contract gets to the end, that is the signal to the recruits that you are not coming to a stable environment and therefore dot, dot, dot. Now to me, this has changed for one very significant reason. You're not recruiting these kids with promises anymore. You're recruiting them with money. The magic of the coach and the reason you pay them all. That money is the idea that he could get the kids. Now, no, the money is what get the kids. So if the money is what gets the kids, what are you paying the coach for? At least not to the level at which we are discussing. What are you, what, what's the point of that? You no longer have to build a fancy gym. You no longer have to add to the stadium and all these other things because you couldn't just go ahead and pay the players. Now you can go ahead and pay the players. Now you could be saved from this runaway spending on all this other stuff that you're going to do simply because you used to do it. I don't know if the market corrections ever going to come into place because the idea of the coach is the face of a program. The lag for people figuring that out is going to take a really long time because people kind of like it that way. Right. But you could be saved right now from all of that. And you won't do it because you're not going to be able to do it. You're not going to be able to do it because you're not going to be able to do it. You're not going to be able to do it. It's not my fault that when I was a baby, I was dropped in a box of glitter, and I've been
Speaker 7shining ever since then. Shout out to Sugar Free. I lost it all in one shot and I was, For my money, it's the best season of television ever recorded. For my money.
Speaker 6This dude's shock is a great way of putting that. It was, I got a hold of the series finale like that. I can't remember who mailed it to me, but I had a bit of a watch party. And it was like a disparate watch party because my friends who watched The Wire were like a range of people. So it was my super white homie from graduate school, super black homie, but he was also a graduate school buddy from a completely different school. Like it was a hodgepodge of people in the room. And it was just because there was no way I was going to get anybody caught up. Somebody physically, like The Wire was so cold at that time that the people who would get a hold of this wanted to share it with somebody so bad that we were willing to physically mail it or physically sit with you, whoever you happen to be, for the rest of it. In order to watch it, right? Like that's how the coldness was. But in watching it, people talk about season four in the context of like the schools. And we got time to get into like kind of the analysis of it. But I do feel like people talk about The Wire like homework a little bit too much. And miss that the reason that this works so well as a television show is that it's also just an excellent television show. And my thing about season four of The Wire is they get these kids in seventh grade. And they are. They are making this very interesting larger point, which is seventh grade is kind of an inflection point of life that it can all turn really quickly. Like the Bunny Colvin character when he's dealing with the professor who wants to go in the high schools and talk to kids. And he had to explain to him, no, man, that's way too late. The course has been charted in this point right here. But what I always found so interesting and what made the season so good is they wrote those teenage boys exactly. For better or worse, like teenage boys are.
Speaker 7Yeah. Man, it makes me emotional because it's the first time that I felt seen on screen, you know. And I think a lot of people who say they felt seen in The Wire, sometimes I'm like, you are not Avon, brother. But those children, you know, I remember what it was to be impoverished and to be in the public school system and to have a teacher take an interest in you. And that was your salvation. And I mean, you know, you had to catch a break in order to make it. And my break was that a teacher sent me off to a private school in Connecticut. He saw my promise and convinced my mother to let me go. And that since it changed my life, I look at my cousin and a couple of my peers who are no longer with us. And I do think it's because and that was right around seventh, eighth grade. I do think it's our paths diverged right there. And the influences we had and the people we were hanging around were totally different. So when I watch this and I see how like. Innocent these people are, but also how quickly they have to become grown men and the responsibilities they have to shoulder and how with some of them, their decency is their undoing, because when you want to be decent in a certain kind of environment, you have to sometimes turn to indecent means. And that's what I found heartbreaking about this season for sure.
Speaker 6Yeah, like I look back on when I was in seventh grade and I think me in seventh grade is weird is that I'm basically two years younger than the people in my grade. So I am. There's a. I'm a little lost. I am awash in what is going on here. Right. And I but I can look back and, you know, we talked about this when we did our me and Dominique talked about Nicole Hannah-Jones is that I I was not of the same class background as the vast majority of the people that I went to school with. But I realized like later, especially once you get into high school, like, oh, man, there's a lot of like self-supporting going on here. But it was in the country. So you don't have like the same kind of urban enticements on like. There's no there. Your ways to make money really kind of have to be honest. Right. Because, you know, what else are you going to do in this little town in order to get it? But I look back and I realize with so many kids like ones that would be kind of close to the classes you were in. And then suddenly they not because they're around that something happens in life around that seventh grade turn. Right. Separate from the class dynamic of it. For me, at least what I found interesting was season one. I think touches on. This a little bit, because I think like the story of Bodie, which obviously becomes a big thing in season for Bodie in season one is another such a well-written adolescent character who is obsessed with the idea that he is a man. Right. And then, you know, he is he is this tough guy. He is grown. He doesn't need this. He doesn't need that. Now, Bodie is a little older at that point. He's like 16 as it's written. But it's kind of the same idea. Young boys like this idea, or at least of that generation. I can't really speak to what it is. Right now. But if that generation like to speak, it exists in this level of independence. And of course, of course, with Bodie, with the life he lived, it'd be something completely different. But, you know, he's a man. And when it comes time to deal with Wallace and he pulls that gut on him and he's telling Wallace, be a man, stand up. He's doing all this while he can't hold his hand straight because deep down inside, he's just 16 years old. Right. That name and character, which I always feel bad, man, because I shouldn't have such negative opinions of a child, especially a fictional one. But he's so obviously like and I've seen this many times. The kid who's got more money than the rest of them, but feels the need to try to seem like he's hard, especially because his daddy is Weebay. But the way that all those different kids tried to elevate themselves in different ways to like project what they were, because that's what 12 and 13 year old boys wind up doing. There's always somebody faking the funk. There's always somebody behind that's trying to get a figure out, you know, get a handle. Or whatever it is, all the little lies that you see Castell and everything else. Like when I think about just the scenes of them walking down the hallway, right? Like the stupid ways they deal with the girls that they're seeing. Like, nope, these are teenage boys. This is this is how they are. Good God, I can't believe people tolerated us.
Speaker 7Yeah. Yeah. Naming is such a great character because you can't think of one of the boys who deserves his outcome less.
Speaker 6Is he like the Pauly Walnuts? Of The Wire.
Speaker 7He might be. He might be the Tom Wamsgams of The Wire. Yes. Like, hey, how did he was the last man standing somehow? How did this guy become CEO? He was the fuck up the whole time.
Speaker 6Stan Valchek of the streets.
Speaker 7What a face. Stan Valchek. Straight out of Central Casting. But yeah, you know, the other thing is, as you said, in other words, you know, I just want to reiterate it. It's incredible. It's incredible what a lack of a parent or the wrong parent or the legacy of a parent can change in someone who is 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, right? Yeah. You know, when you see that with naming and like he can't live up to that legacy. And also, this reminds me of when I took a ride up to Wesleyan University in a car with a lawyer from the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund. And he was lamenting to me that what was tough about being a parent who made it out the process. Because. I looked around, and all of my friends who had dads, brother, you didn't want that man in your life. And knowing how my mom was, I was like, you know what? If this dad existed, my mom might kill him the way I'm seeing him. So, yeah, no, you're right. It's a bleak outlook. And I think some might say a very realistic outlook, and some might say a narrow outlook. And it's probably somewhere in between there. And I understand taking poetic license, dramatic license in order to make your points. But you are correct. I got to rethink that, because David Simon showed his ass a little on the internet in the aftermath of The Wire. And I started feeling weird about him.
Speaker 6Yeah. I always say, when David Simon got to tweaking out dialogue, using the N-word, and he doesn't censor it. And I'm not quite an absolutist on it, right? Like, I'm like, I think some people need to sit in the discomfort of it. But it's not like he didn't do it for many amazing seasons. Yeah. Where it was like, he's like, I don't understand what the problem is. You love me for doing this. He is the man that wrote the line, you need a day of the jackal type motherfucker, basically. Not no rumble tumble nigga like Slim. Yeah. Right? And he's like, you love that.
Speaker 7Well, you know what he did for the most part, with a few exceptions. There are some notable exceptions. But getting the actors he did. Wood Harris, I think, is the most, I really believe this, most underrated actor of my lifetime. I think Wood Harris is incredible. And then having so many people where he was like, you know what, I'm gonna write these lines. I'm gonna trust you, not to be an actor, but a regular person who is in the role of an actor right now. Yeah. And I think that's how those roles came up, because those people could inhabit those lines. Like, a Snoop can inhabit those lines and flip them easily. That's like, no sweat. She looked at that, wasn't nervous at all. Yeah, this is how I talk.
Speaker 6Yeah. And keep it in mind, they don't allow ad-libbing. Like, they are very, very, very particular about it. Like, no. These are the words. Say the words. Like, I give him and Burns credit. They paid enough actual attention to Black people to understand how Black people talk. Everywhere on the class level, by the way. Right? Like, it's not just they got how you're more working class, you're more middle class. They got how everybody talked. And then, again, applied it and got it here with those kids in the school. Now, I will say this about that school situation. I ain't never been to no school like that. That scene. Where little mama wind up cutting that girl up. Oh, yeah. In the back. Oh, yeah. And I was like, wow. And this is, while terrifying, depressed, appears to be another day at the office. Yeah. For the rest of these kids. I was like, yikes.
Speaker 7Yeah. Yeah. I did go to school like that. And my mother happened to show up at the school during recess. And she saw me fighting one on five. All right. And fighting for my life. And she knew me. As a boy. As a bookworm. And the very next day, my mother had me out that school. She took me from PS51 down to PS3 in the West Village. She fought the Board of Education. And suddenly, I was in class with people like C.D. Ibrahim, who became Jean Grey, the rapper. And all these artist kids from the village. It was like, whoa, this is a different environment entirely. But I did. I mean, I've seen people beating up in staircases for sure. Dancing on tables in front of the teacher. I mean, those environments do exist. So they did exist when I was young. So, yeah, it was a jarring season for so many reasons. And the idea of, like, incompetence and bureaucracy, like, connecting so many different strata of institutions is one of the things that's so brilliant about The Wire.
Speaker 6I did appreciate, like, dropping Prez in there as a, like, take somebody completely not from this world and he as observer of it. I do think one place. The Wire shortchanged us a little bit. Just a little bit. They gave us, like, some small windows in it at different points, but not really. Hey, man, ain't no way in the world that all these white people ain't going to have no conversation about black people the way black people talk about white people when they get off of work. Ain't no way in hell that white people ain't have some colorful conversations to be had. Them cats was doing hilarious stuff, man. We were laughing at that. You ain't going to tell me these white folks ain't out here getting off work. I feel like, look, man, I don't know why they do this. Like, too. Why does he say that? What is that? What is he doing?
Speaker 7You know that was happening. You know, speaking of Prez, something that I really appreciate about The Wire, and I find that as the years go on, people don't appreciate this aspect. It's that they're able to humanize people to an extent that seems almost impossible. And so you have this season in particular, you have all these redemptive arcs, right? So. Bunny going from legalizing drugs to, you know, working on this study about schools and helping an educator. Prez, you know, how do we allow Prez to be redeemed? Like, the writing. He did so many awful things. I mean, he should be killed, right? The writing and the plotting of the show is so strong that you find yourself rooting for him a little bit once he's helpful to some of his students. Bodhi, who goes from killing. His homie. To bucking against his version of the system because his homie is killed. And then when you see him executed, it's one of the biggest gut punches. And when Wallace was killed in season one. Everybody that I knew felt it like they'd never felt anything. Him and Pima being shot. Yeah. They felt it so strongly. And here we are. Like, damn, I can't believe they killed my nigga. It's like, wait a minute. It's the dude who killed Wallace.
Speaker 6Yeah. But hold on, though. Coming up next, because I want to get to this point on the other side, is, like, that humanization and how don't everybody like that, depending on who the human is. Coming up next.
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Speaker 6right we are back with uh jason england talking about the wire season four um i don't know you weren't i wasn't a participant in this but i saw much of this in online discussion about whether the wire was a copaganda and i think for me that's an interesting discussion in part for season four because on one hand season four is a lot of talk about the wire and i think for me that's an interesting discussion in part for season about how the lester freeman's in the bunks of the world really want to get out here and do the good work except they're being shut down by upstairs and then suddenly you get a new mayor and he's talking his new jazz about how this is going to be a new day and they're going to be able to make it happen and like really do the work but on the other hand it's hurt at his fucking dumbest and it's that that boy walker that bent back donuts fingers until they broke um and i was like what is the copaganda about exactly that you if you like is there room to do a television show about the police where the police are not always terrible carver by the way on the list of redemptive arts almost forgot about that
Speaker 7guy sure carver carver carver is great because he leans into competence and compassion and and he's worse off for it right yeah he he reminds me of what my therapist told me once which is she said um you know the best thing you can do is you can do it but you can't do it because you can't do it you can't do it because you can't do it because you can't do it but you can't do it because you can't do is wake up and decide to be the best version of yourself every day you know you're going to fail but the victory is in the effort for carver the victory is in the effort but he still fails and her cleans totally into ineptitude and you see the consequences of ineptitude um you know in his position how many people it hurts and who it gets killed uh the copaganda argument is a very strange one to me because it's to me it's like it's it's it's in that black and white um territory that twitter traffics in and i think it's a very strange one because it's a very strange one because where you know i think in succession at one point a character is called someone a meretricious self-regarding pop and jay and that's how people are online you know like for sure nypd blue and a lot of procedural shows a lot of it is people like convincing people hey you should see your civil liberties and you should see the cops is ultimately good and that's a lot of bullshit the wire has a lot of terrible cops and they're unflinching and portraying them as violent and and abusive and everything else and stupid and and incredibly stupid but what they do with the cops and is the same thing they do with the criminals right they just make them they give them dimensionality that's not a crime in and of itself you know i think that as much as we hate to admit it this is how the human condition works no matter who you are criminal cop regular person you're a saint to some people and a sinner to others and there's a lot of gray area to cover and to call it copaganda i think at that point it renders the discussion of what copaganda is pretty moot but you know that's just
Speaker 6me but i do think the larger thing uh a big thing about the wire is the idea that it's like based on the greek gods but it's the idea that your circumstances largely dictate your fate which i mean i think is fairly in line with actual reality but i don't believe that that happens at the expense of people's responsibility for many of their own actions and their own and decisions right so we see a world uh like when you get around to season five on this but like you see a world that turns dookie into the dope fiend that his parents were but it don't make you have no sympathy for him when he started uh talking that dope fiend jibber jabber asking for money right like like when those things come bode becomes interesting because you're right we started with bode doing this absolutely heinous thing but because i'm the kind of dude i am you know who i blame fully for that that strang that's the that's i've never looked at bode and poodle the villains of that situation this grown man who came here and told you to do this snake that's the person that we need to be talking about but i do find especially for people who watch i didn't watch season one first right so like for those people it's interesting talking about the art that they have with bode for really hating him for shooting wallace and then as it all goes he becomes like lovable and then in season four what i find so fascinating is that he's 20 or 21 years old and he's an old man like that scene where he's talking to poot and people talk about it where he ends he's like a world going one way people going another bode's talking about how he was sitting at home watching marlin fishing on television if that is not the most old man behavior anybody has ever engaged in he tells you know talking to mcnulty right before you know i feel old but to me it was the marlin fishing thing that really hit that was like wow he has literally checked off every box there was in his own concept of life and he's an old man at 20
Speaker 7something yeah um you know you i i want to i want to stick on bode but you mentioned a stringer reminded me of what a friend said to me recently that between stringer and freeman is some of the greatest over the glasses acting that anyone's ever seen it's a great point over the glasses at every every scene they're they're acting over their glasses yeah bode bode and mcnulty as mirrors and they do this well in the show too they have these characters who marry each other them as mirrors as people who are really good in their positions as pawns there's some smart ass pawns and they know how to subvert the system that they're trapped in but at some point both realize the game is totally rigged against them right and there's no way that they can win in the connection and this is where i will say there's some propaganda do i really believe that the game is totally rigged against them right and there's no way that they can win in the connection and this is where i will say there's some propaganda do i really believe that there's a police officer who felt this deep connection to bode and was devastated when bode got shot on the corner i mean um i'll grant them a little grace there because for the sake of fiction it worked very well um but but but maybe there's a little propaganda but what a great relationship that those two had without ever really spending any time together it was like they spotted each other down to their souls and how their struggle was very similar within their environments and so it was it was very moving
Speaker 6i will say this if there is something that i miss from getting to season four first is the idea of jimmy mcnulty didn't make any sense to me because all because then all he is is just a guy a guy on the beat right like if you just pick up season four jimmy's just low-key a cop with a heart
Speaker 7of gold yeah he's saving the notebooks yes he's saving the binders for the little ankle biters right yeah right
Speaker 6like he's just living with this woman like he's decent like all of this stuff i had no concept at that point of the roller coaster ride um yeah that that we that we get to with him we also wind up this is the the end of the series you leave feeling good for bubbles but god damn you in season four bubbles that the bubbles ride in season four is terrible just flat out hurt but
Speaker 7it's just terrible i have questions about andre royal um because i just thought that was one of the things that i was going to say one of the greatest portrayals of a character i'd ever seen when i first watched the line and um i've barely seen him since yeah because you
Speaker 6got to be careful being that good at playing a fiend on a show where people know that many of the actors came off the streets people think that people people just think he a fiend this is like i
Speaker 7think it was ed o'neill from married with children i think he was supposed to be in seven or something like that and then the audience laughed just kept cracking up because as a detective get the fuck out of here
Speaker 6so yo i went and saw a soldier's play when it was on broadway right before the pandemic um shout out to kenny leon one of my mama's students was the director of it and so in that run of a soldier's play um david allen greer played sarge it takes a while to divorce your brain from the idea that that is david allen greer's play and so i went and saw a soldier's play when it was on because it felt like a comedic portrayal of sarge but it wasn't it was just david it was
Speaker 7just david allen greer oh okay
Speaker 6this is like oh this is hilarious it's like a parody no but then it was like wait a minute no he's actually sorry and yeah al bundy in seven nah nah nah that's not gonna uh that's not that's not gonna cut it that's not it's oh you try to drop bubbles off you can't put bubbles off in the new best man movie it's just it's not happening
Speaker 7yeah it's it's interesting how many characters how many actors went on the great success and also who did not and i can't make heads or tails of it you know obviously um beady uh had some pretty significant success and dominic west was in it's still in roles that are getting him paid well fucking straying he you know idris conquered the world and again i can't i you rewatch so i taught a class on the wire um at the university level as i said i watched the wire no fewer than a dozen times all the way through and every time i watch it avon wood harris owns every scene he's in he owns these scenes and i know he's been paid enough and he has royalties off his career and he's had enough roles that he's doing well but man he's been paid enough and he has royalties off his career and he's had enough roles that man i needed wood harris to find the right director yeah and make him a star i don't know why idris is a star well i do not know the ladies like it but i watch idris elba's movies and i'm like i'm not seeing anything here man what's the why is he getting the money
Speaker 6i'll tell you this though one of my favorite scenes ever in a movie is an american gangster where frank lucas pull up on that fool in the street and shoot him right in the forehead lay him out that was some amazing cinema right there oh man that was that was top notch shit as far as i'm concerned you understand what i'm saying um you talk about great acting in that season though like uh the the mac wild i guess he's now mac wilds i forget his real name tristan wilds i think is yeah he's bad boy man like like that that character to me like that's a top three character in the wire is michael lee like in fact omar as a character has its own his own particular novelty right but the the michael lee being michael lee and the way they put that whole thing together like you were talking about this off mike that like the the the difference between mike saying i don't like owing people and name and saying i'll take anybody's money who's giving it away right and michael lee embodying the difference between
Speaker 7those two guys yeah and clay davis as well saying saying that same line yeah of course like integrity of purpose with michael and to see it to see characters so resolute and someone that age again was resonant um but yeah man sadly the integrity of purpose he had in his character is what made you know marlo take notice that hey that's an effective soldier right he doesn't want a handout he's trying to take
Speaker 6what's his he's like the game need more of those because also marlo can't like marlo can't appreciate the idea that good people exist yeah you know um i i'm in this clip that goes around the internet of adam freeland saying that the characters on the wire didn't have any depth but it's a preposterous statement that we don't need to argue right now but if you're talking about marlo that is correct there is no depth to marlo marlo is just a a an avatar of evil period is that is
Speaker 7that jamie hector is that that is jamie hector and this is this is why i haven't seen jamie hector go too far either because he was perfect as marlo but unfortunately the character of marlo just needs you to look menacing be cold it doesn't it doesn't do anything it doesn't do anything it doesn't do anything a lot of range did you
Speaker 6watch we run this city i did i did i couldn't take i couldn't take it seriously when marlo was playing a police
Speaker 7officer i totally agree it was
Speaker 6the problem with the show was it was a bunch of wire alums and it's like you shuffled the deck and you just put them in different places and i was like hey man my brain can't do it man my brain can't my brain can't get these people in the places that they need to
Speaker 7be in yeah yeah you know i'm not gonna believe at this point or say anything about the dude who made this movie and i'm not gonna believe it made that preposterous comment uh with you on this show but what i will say is there was a time years ago that i sat in a bar with a good friend of mine and a childhood friend of his who came from a lot of money and smelled like racism to me and he said the wire was fine his favorite season was season two and his favorite character was omar and he likes it best when people are shooting each other he really said this i was like man this sounds like somebody wrote a bad script about a racist conversation at the bar what i think about the wire is that it does it gives such dimensionality um and it forces the viewer to meet it on its own terms whereas most shows come to you they come to you at your lowest common denominator and they're like here's this unreality so you don't have to challenge anything you think breaking bad comes to mind actually in that vein um which is a slapstick comedy in my opinion and people continue to take seriously but because certain people and their mind don't believe black people have that dimensionality they just reject it outright they're like what is this bullshit they're talking about yeah why don't you get back to
Speaker 6shooting but so it's so interesting though because like part of why i think season two doesn't land with people is i think people struggle with the idea that that scene of nick sabaka sitting on the sitting on the block talking about how all the different kind of white kinds of white he is and he ain't just some nigga on the corner selling dope and all of this the fact that he is a black man and he's a black man and he's a black man and he's a black man right like to me season two was a prequel to what happens to black people it just takes a little bit farther a little bit more time to trickle down to the white people and then it happens but people if you came for a black people shoot each other show you're not getting that season one ends with a great level of shoot them up drama right like i'd say season one is the closest to being like any other tv cop show ever you can tell the network had a heavier hand and like doing a few things but it ends with a lot of people who are like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't really interested in shoot them up right but the rest of the seasons are not like action-packed in that way but season four gives you something close to it with the marlo with the omar marlo prop joe art with that ring that travels all the way through the season but omar prop joe getting omar to rob the card game in order to get marlo into their little co-op and then ultimately turning into omar pulling off one of the greatest capers that anybody has ever pulled where they thought he was going to stick up a stash and he stuck up a entire shipment like that's why i said in the beginning that while there's so many like deeper more thoughtful societal things to talk about that's when it starts feeling like homework and you miss also just as a crime show this is a really really really good crime show
Speaker 7you know one thing i will say though i cringe a little bit whenever uh a mexican or puerto rican comes on screen i have to feel like that was a blind spot i'm like man do they not have puerto ricans in a baltimore man because they get characters so right and i feel like when those people come on screen i'm like man i'm watching a caricature well that
Speaker 6also by the way leads to one of the funnier things also for me in terms of race of that show is omar's run old light skin booze um like omar stayed with a light skinned booze light skinned booze number one light skinned booze number two light skinned booze number three stay with one Light skin boot number three did feel very much like a Puerto Rican caricature.
Speaker 7Yeah. He's like that reporter for the Sacramento Kings. I like light skins
Speaker 6on the hot mic. Yes. Amen, Omar. That boy was beautiful. There's never a time where Omar sounds more passionate than when he was talking about how beautiful
Speaker 7Brandon was. You know what, though? That's, again, what a triumph of writing and character construction and plotting. There were brothers who I knew who I had never met nobody so homophobic. And they let that shit go. They were like, yeah, yeah, Omar. I'm rooting for Omar. I'm like, what?
Speaker 6Really? That's mighty progressive of you. Omar completely broke the mold, man. That's the part. When Michael Sam came out before the draft, and I don't know if you remember this. Of course. But they drafted Michael Sam in the seventh round or whatever. And they had the cameras at his house and he was there with his boyfriend and they were celebrating and they was mashing cake in each other's faces. It was as stereotypically gay as one could imagine. And I remember I did an interview with Sid Ziegler of Out Sports. And we were talking about the idea of, you know, an athlete coming out and all of these things. And I told him, I'm like, hey, man, you know, that's one thing. What I want to see is what happens when it's like some shoddy with dreads and golds. A heat of one, right? Like some menacing Omar Little type of dude in the NFL. And he say he gay. Now we're cooking with gas. Like, is the side that's so excited about this right here, are they going to make that man their hero at that point, right? That is like, it's when it doesn't fit what you think it is, is when it gets to be compelling. And that's what I think hit people with Omar, is that they just had never considered that there was a gay dude out here pulling guns on people. And yeah, there are quite a few, actually.
Speaker 7Yeah. I think, yeah, when it reaffirms your expectations, that person becomes a mascot more than a person that challenges you. Right. Yeah, absolutely. We haven't even talked about Karketty. We haven't even talked about
Speaker 6politics. We haven't talked about politics. Herc, again, the progression, first of all, the amazing Clay Davis scene, where he just goes on that rant about receiving that subpoena, and then dealing with that. Herc walking in on the mayor, having one-on-one with the secretary. And I want to know who the freak is that work on that show, who made sure they ordered a prosthesis that could be picked up on camera. And I want to know how much that lady got paid for playing that role, because at least don't make her face the camera. And so that gets Herc out of there, and the mayor winds up losing to the white boy. And see, they were working on redeeming Karketty in that season until he blew it in the next one. He stopped cheating on his wife. He was the. What's the dude's name? O'Malley is who he's supposed to be.
Speaker 7Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, Karketty is a great character for me in that no matter how much hope you place in a politician, and I'm not going to name any names, because I can tick many off who suck at us, in the end their ego and ambition will sink their dedication to the people. And so, you know, his narcissism. To be a politician, almost always, you have to be such a first-rate narcissist. You know, there's just no redeeming you. But someone who blew me away in that show, in terms of the very rare character where I wanted her offscreen at all times, was the woman advising his campaign. Yeah. I didn't buy anything about her. Why is McNulty going for this woman who looks like an amphibian creature who's obnoxious to boot? What is going on here? Everybody wants to sleep with this woman? I didn't buy it.
Speaker 6Hey, man. She ain't gay. Like, that was the thing with her. She knew how to approach them cats.
Speaker 7Which was what? Just naked? Is that what her
Speaker 6game was? Apparently, she knew these catchy ways that you and I cannot grasp or relate to. Like, that's what it seems to be. Do we miss anybody? Oh, specific scenes. We talked about the kids. that scene where Michael had to beat up evil little Canard. I ain't never been so happy to see an eight-year-old get beat up, right? That just, the moment that Naaman realized, I am not capable of doing what is necessary to play this game, which then led to him receiving an all-time slapping. Like, just slapped him to sleep. Dropped him on the ground. Like, the way he started crying and everything. I was like, oh, no. You fully nailed this. Like, it Michael Lee saved Naaman Bryce's life that night. Because even if Bunny hadn't taken him in, there was no more court of life for Naaman Bryce after that.
Speaker 7None whatsoever. You know, one of the most off-putting things ever was when this season was taking place. I heard an interview with the kid who played Canard. And he had the sweetest voice, and he was telling him, it's hard for me because I'm never cursed at home. I said, this is you. He was one of the most convincing, cursing-ass kids that anyone ever saw. Duke, you hit like a bitch, yo. I was like, oh, yeah. This kid's really from the street. No, no, no. He was a sweetheart.
Speaker 6I hated him. I loathed him. The Omar thing kind of whatever. That made me feel bad for him. He looked a little spooked when he actually did it. But otherwise, he was the baddest kid on earth. The single. And it would still be moments like when you realize that Naaman was paying him $5. That you realize, oh, okay, he's five years old. I mean, eight years old. But he also realized that $5 was too little. Because he stole a package from him.
Speaker 7Yeah. Well, the wisdom of babes right there. I mean, that dude, he looked at Naaman and he said, I can assess this dude very simply. That's the motherfucker I'm going to steal from. Period. He ain't doing
Speaker 6shit. Everybody read Naaman as somebody to run off the block. Even though he's Weebae's son. That's the thing, too. Them kids, they know nothing about no Weebae. Weebae been in jail for three years. And it's like he never existed.
Speaker 7Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wait.
Speaker 6Talk about your boy, Cudi.
Speaker 7Either. Cudi from the cut. Yeah. Cudi has one of the most startling moments in the
Speaker 6entire show. When he slaps that woman.
Speaker 7Whoa, now we gonna
Speaker 6talk? Yeah. Whoa, man, that was a I stood up. The way she looked back at him. Like, you are 45 years old. Yeah.
Speaker 7Yeah. You know what else is wild is that Avon, in so many ways, is, like, an institutional purist. I think about that first season when he kicks Orlando in his ass and says, do your job! Right? And then I think about this third season where he sees those two morons who are rolling around with Cudi. No discipline. Yeah, where the fuck is the discipline? This is always his thing. Springer, you are ambitious, but you're missing the fact that we can't have bad workers. Right. They can't work. They're not doing their job. So, yeah, no, Cudi's journey is very good, and that whole it ain't in me no more scene is one of the greatest scenes in the show. And then his redemptive arc is excellent if a little ham fisted at parts. When he has the lover in the end who was the doctor who was totally against whatever the nurse, yeah, like, I was happy for him. I'm not sure they totally earned that moment, but, you know, I'll give it to them.
Speaker 6But Avon is also, like, I would love to see if someone could get Avon's character in a chair and talk to him about Maslow's hierarchy of wants, because self-actualization is a big Avon thing. Like, you think about when Cudi walked out, and he said, you know, and he's still a man, right? When he left, his thing was, and he's still a man. Like, Avon was a man of principle in a way that Suggie he rolled with was not in a way that very few other characters that we saw. I mean, clearly, Prop Joe, to a degree, he was a scammer, but there were, like, legitimate principles that would not, that he was not going to violate and that he respected. Like, the idea that Cudi looked at him and was like, hey, man, I gotta step out of here. He fundamentally respected it.
Speaker 7Also, Cudi with, um, when he goes to him for the money for the gym and they just laugh at him. I thought you was gonna ask for something big. Yeah, just give him the money. That's a beautiful moment, too. You know, but Cudi, again, he's one of those great characters in terms of how they show you you know, the gray area of a person. I mean, he did not go to prison for being a good person. When it's not in him anymore, you feel deep empathy and connection. When he wants to mentor these children and he follows through with it, you again feel deep empathy and connection. But then he starts fucking their moms. Yes. That is a crazy thing to do.
Speaker 6Well, yeah, he's like, hey, what can I, Who am I to say no? He out here trying to do community service, and y'all telling this man to draw the line here? He ain't quite understanding that they also use him the latent homophobia around Mike being afraid that he's gay, and then the part where he's like, Weeby, yeah, that's my cup buddy. Then he starts smiling. He's like, anyway, straighten back up. He realized he was on the outside again, but you're right, he was. He had them all, and they was putting it on the table. He's like, I do throw down in the kitchen amongst other places.
Speaker 7Yes, spider's mom. Yes, like, come
Speaker 6on, partner, you had to know that that was, if you wanted to do that with the bum kids' moms, maybe, but you couldn't do that with the star. Now, granted, I've been around college football and basketball recruiting. No, actually, dudes, don't think that that is an impediment
Speaker 7to success. Yeah, man, I'm so tempted to tell a story that I cannot tell about my cousin and a former pro football player. He used to mentor and the moms was coming to the door in lingerie when he would pick him up to take him to baseball practice. This is a football star who was a two-way player and eventually the moms just came out and let him know, you can come back and have it not be about my
Speaker 6son. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you think Cuddy gonna say no, right? All these other cats out here and being, Cuddy trying to talk to the kids about it. And that was another place of talking to teenage boys. Cuddy tried to lecture them boys about how he was running up on their moms. And they thought it was the funniest thing in the
Speaker 7world. Where do you stand on the sex scenes between Daniels and Perlman?
Speaker 6I didn't need it, man. And the thing about it for me is that it was clearly them trying to be provocative because they didn't make us watch him do that with Jimmy. We watched Jimmy do that with girls in parking garages. The girl that was a waitress in the diner. All of that. They implied it with her. They didn't do that. They was trying to get that shot. That shit looked like a couple of jungle people with the hands. They was trying to get that contrast. And I just, I didn't I didn't need it.
Speaker 7Yeah, you know, one thing I love about The Wire is that the casting is wonderful. And what it makes you remember is that everybody is out here having sex and beauty often comes from character, right? There are very few people who are just sort of whatever the Eurocentric version of pure beauty is. That sort of plastic look. And I like that, but at the same time I didn't want to see Daniels having sex. He was such a stiff character. R.I.P. The idea of him having sex was like Robocop putting it down.
Speaker 6Yeah, I'd say they do that with his other wife I guess maybe because they wouldn't like actually having no sex, I suppose. Marla Danes, when
Speaker 7I go back and watch it I feel like he was married to his mom.
Speaker 6That is a commercial against marriage. Their whole like their, the entirety of their dynamic. And also, shout out, we didn't talk that much about Lester Freeman, who's like a quiet hero of this season. Lester Freeman who, in season one, I keep trying to tell people. Here's the other thing with Lester, man. I'm just letting y'all know. You cannot save that girl. He can. You. You cannot. He hit her with all the game. The other thing too, I need to look this up because I don't have a great concept of how old they were trying to say Lester Freeman was. At that point. Like, he is in real life, he would have been about 50 years old. Yeah, that checks out.
Speaker 7He's fantastic. I saw him the other day. I decided to do a rewatch of True Detective season one. And I forgot that Lester is up in there as a preacher. And I wish I know, Lester's done fine. Like, he's been in some things. But I expected Lester to do some more seriousness. Because I thought he just, he put his foot in that role. I thought Lester obviously would have a strike. But I thought Lester and Lansman. Yeah.
Speaker 6I thought those actors were incredible. Lansman's the evil lawyer on SVU. I bet his residual checks is fantastic. By the way, fun fact about the actor that played Lester Freeman, he sang Back Up on Boogie Nights by Heat Wave.
Speaker 7Get out of here.
Speaker 6I somehow didn't know that.
Speaker 7That's fantastic. I didn't know until right now.
Speaker 6I want to say, last thing before we get out on this. Chris Partlow, to me, is a sleeper amazing character on that show that we don't talk. Like, the moment with him and Michael unspoken, recognizing that they had been through the same things that ultimately leads to him savagely beating Michael's daddy to death, which is the only emotional killing that he performs on. That's another eye-opening moment. Of the show. It's ultimately the undoing of Chris Partlow in the end of the show. But, like, him and Snoop as a dark comedy team that's just snatching people up and putting them in vacants, but then also having that brief moment, not even a brief moment of humanity, the humanity of Partlow comes through in all his interactions with Michael. But it's like, unlike Marlowe, who gives us no real show of humanity other than when he's trying to get Chris to go to Atlantic City with him. Yeah. They throw that out there for you. Like, The Wire's not quite a Marlon Brown book, but they still do kind of give you a little, uh, you know, the boys like the boys sometimes, right? Just throwing it out there. Real slick for you if you want it. Yeah. But yeah, the Chris and Snoop team, and we didn't, I guess we could end talking about this, the greatest introductory scene in the history of television with her buying that nail gun, laying out the whole season in a way that you could never expect in her buying that nail gun. Yeah.
Speaker 7At the, at the, what was it called? It was the, not the Home Barn. It was obviously a Home Depot,
Speaker 6but they definitely made it something else.
Speaker 7No, but it's an actual, I think it's an actual store in Baltimore. It actually is. It's a local. Um, but yeah, you earned that buck like a motherfucker.
Speaker 6Yes, yes. He said, he called it the Cadillac. He mean Lexus.
Speaker 7He mean Lexus, but he don't know. He don't know. But she, she retained every bit of information that he gave her, too. Yeah. Related to Chris. She picks, she picks up very quickly on everything.
Speaker 6Yeah, we just speak, we just speak different languages.
Speaker 7But she is, she is the real life version of this sort of gray area, right? Like, there was a family out there who was very upset that she was in primetime TV and HBO because of what she'd done in her real life. Right. And she came on that screen and she was, you, she, you couldn't have been a more charming character. You know what she was for me? She was like that joke about this real thing where Raytheon had a D.E. I. Mm-hmm. They were hiring a D.E. I. director and it's like, is D.E. I. a good thing at Raytheon? You know, it's like, because I'm, Snoop came in and I'm like, hell yeah. About time we had some female representation among the killers. And it's like, what are you rooting for?
Speaker 6The other part is, man, she's kind of cute. Like, there's a privilege in that.
Speaker 7And you talk about, you know, sometimes boys like boys, like, it was a sex symbol. That was a young M.A. before. It was a young M.A., right?
Speaker 6I don't remember if I ever told you about this. When me and Shannon were doing the show in Miami, we walked out one day after work and we saw this girl, catatonic. Oh my God! She couldn't form a word. She's just screaming at the top of her lungs and then she runs up and she gets her homegirl and she's screaming and they're having some conversation and the homegirl picks up on it and she starts screaming and they jump on up and down. They literally cannot form words. Never seen anything like this. And then they run back out. I'm like, what are they running to? And it was young M.A. I'd never seen anybody respond to the sight of a celebrity like these girls did when they pulled up on young M.A. I never had. So yeah, so Snoop was off by that. Snoop also in season three has an underrated great scene where she's lying explaining how she killed Stringer Bell and they're rapsing with the shit was worse than fucking pathetic. Yeah. Yeah. But man, I think we got I think we got to what there was to get to on season four of the wire. If we miss things, that's what the comments are for. Jason England. Google the man. Check him out. His work is there. More work is coming. My brother. I appreciate you.
Speaker 7Appreciate you, too. Thank you. All right, man.
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