The podcast episode discusses the ReadWise app for tracking highlights from readings. It delves into the contrasting perspectives of optimism and pessimism, emphasizing that optimism involves believing in favorable outcomes despite challenges. Pessimism is portrayed as intellectually seductive due to reasons like the slow pace of progress, the allure of shared misery, and the perception that pessimism requires action. The text highlights that pessimists tend to extrapolate present trends without considering future adaptations. Additionally, it notes how bad news captivates attention more than slow-progressing good news. The narrative also touches on the emotional and tribal nature of topics like money and health, where pessimism often gains attention. Ultimately, the text suggests that while pessimism may seem smart and attractive, optimism, with its focus on adaptive solutions and positive outcomes, offers a more sustainable and beneficial perspective.
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This episode is brought to you by my friends at ReadWise.
ReadWise is an app that I have used for many years
and that I have found so useful,
not just as a writer, but as a person
who likes to read and learn.
ReadWise helps you keep track
of all the highlights that you have made,
not just in books that you read,
but also anything online that you happen to stumble across,
that you want to save a quote or a passage for later
and then go back and review all the highlights
that you've made from everything you've read
over the years.
If you want to check it out
and I so highly recommend that you do,
check out readwise.io/morgan.
You'll get an extra 30 days for free to try the product,
plus you get to see some of the highlights
that I have made in books that I've read over the years.
That's readwise.io/morgan.
This episode is about pessimism
and why it is so seductive and it sounds so smart.
But before we go on, I think we need to define
the opposite, which is optimism.
Now, if you are optimistic about the world
and about the future, and I think I am,
being what I call a real optimist
does not mean that you think everything's gonna be great
in the future.
That is what I would call complacency.
If you think everything's gonna be good
in your own life or in the world,
that's not optimism, that's complacency.
Optimism, I think, is a belief
that the odds of a good outcome
are in your favor over time,
even when you know they're gonna be setbacks
and problems and challenges along the way.
It's the simple idea that most people wake up in the morning
trying to make things a little bit better
and more productive than wake up looking to cause trouble.
That's the foundation of optimism.
It's really not that complicated.
And look, it's not guaranteed either.
It's just the most reasonable bet for most people
is to be an optimist about the future.
But look, despite that, we have to acknowledge
that if you read the news,
if you talk to people,
not just in a crazy election there like this,
but in almost every year, pessimism rules the day.
And the irony of that is that if you are any bit
of a student of history and you look back
and you see how much progress we've made in the last,
you know, forget the last 100 years,
the last 10 or 20 or 30 years, it's astounding.
We are as a society so much wealthier, healthier,
have so many cool new toys and tools
and we're more productive than we've ever been.
And yet every day you turn on the news
and it is pessimism, pessimism, pessimism.
Particularly if you're looking at something
like the economy or the stock market,
it's always gonna be the most pessimistic views prevail.
But even if you're talking about new science
and health and technology, pessimism gets people's attention
in a way that optimism does not.
This is not a new idea.
There's a historian named Deirdre McCloskey
and many years ago she wrote in the New York Times, quote,
for reasons I have never understood,
people like to hear that the world is going to hell.
They'd like to hear it.
It's what they want to hear when they're reading history
or the news, people by and large do not want to read
about how good things are or are going to be.
Their attention is drawn to pessimism and bad news
and scary forecasts.
And something that's always hit me with these
is the reason our attention is drawn to them
is because pessimists tend to sound smarter.
They tend to sound like they know what they're talking about
in a way that the optimists do not.
It's so often that if you see an optimist,
he kind of looks like he's clumsy and aloof
and he says, oh, the future is going to be bright
and everything's going to be good.
He looks detached from reality.
But if you listen to a pessimist,
you're like, ah, she knows what she's talking about.
That is some good stuff right there.
This person's got their finger on the pulse,
they know what's going on.
And again, it has always been like that.
This is not a new phenomenon with our modern media at all.
John Stuart Mill wrote 150 years ago, he wrote, quote,
I have observed that it is not the man who hopes
when others despair.
But the man who despairs when others hope
is who is admired by a large class of persons as a sage.
Not Ridley, the author, he wrote in his book,
"The Rational Optimists," that quote,
if you say the world has been getting better,
you may get away with being called naive or insensitive.
If you say the world is going to go on getting better,
you are considered embarrassingly mad.
If, on the other hand, you say a catastrophe
is imminent, you may expect a MacArthur Genius Award
or even the Nobel Prize.
And look, in my world, in many of your world,
in finance and money and investing,
you see this all the time, where you watch CNBC,
it's the bearer who says a recession is coming,
stocks are gonna crash, there who gets all the attention.
The optimist is kind of pushed to the side.
But this idea goes so far beyond money
in economics and investing.
There was a study from Harvard several years ago
that showed that those publishing negative book reviews
are seen as smarter and more competent
than those giving positive reviews of the same book.
And that study, I summed it up so well, they said, quote,
"Only pessimism sounds smart.
Optimism sounds superficial."
And so, what I wanna talk about is why that might be.
Why does pessimism sound smart?
Why is it so intellectually seductive to us
and captures our attention more than optimism does,
especially in a world where if you are attached
to the reality of what has occurred
over the last 100 years, you should be an optimist?
There's one very broad answer here
that can capture a lot of what we're talking about,
which is that there's clearly more at stake with pessimism.
Daniel Kahneman, the late psychologist,
once wrote that when directly compared
or weighted against each other, losses loom larger than gains.
This asymmetry between the power of positive
and negative expectations or experiences
has an evolutionary history.
Organisms that treat threats as more urgent than opportunities
have a better chance to survive and reproduce.
So of course, we are drawn to the negative
because there's more at stake.
To win over time, you have to first survive over time
so that threats are gonna capture more
of your attention than opportunities.
But there's several other reasons why pessimism sounds
so smart and captures our attention.
I'm gonna go through a couple of them now.
One, and I think this is a really big one
that explains a lot of what's going on here,
is that progress happens too slowly to notice,
but setbacks happen too quickly to ignore.
One other way to summarize that is
there are lots of overnight tragedies,
but there are almost never overnight miracles.
So think about something like
the improvement in healthcare over time.
One of the biggest and most important news stories
of our lifetimes in over the last 100 years
has been the incredible decline in heart disease mortality.
Now, on a per capita basis,
death from heart disease has declined
more than 70% since the 1960s.
Not even that long ago, a 70% decline
in heart disease mortality.
If you had a heart attack in 1965,
even if you made it to the hospital, you were probably dead.
Whereas if you have a heart attack today
and you make it to the hospital,
there's actually a very good chance
that you're gonna end up okay and walk out of there
and live the rest of your life.
Completely different world now that we have
blood pressure medications,
better technologies, better medicine, et cetera, et cetera.
And look, if you add up how many lives that has saved
since the 1960s, the 70% decline
in heart disease mortality per capita,
it is in the millions of lives saved
in the last 60 years or so.
That is incredible, millions of lives saved
from new technology, better science, better medicine.
But how often do you hear that statistic?
How often is that in the news?
How often do people talk about how amazing that is?
It may be you or your parents
or your grandparents are live today
and they would not have been 60 years ago.
Almost never.
We never hear about it.
And here's the reason why.
What happened over the last 60 years,
that 70% decline, was basically
a one or 2% improvement every year.
It happened very slowly.
In any given year, there was nothing worth talking about.
You're never gonna open up the newspaper
and it says breaking news, heart disease mortality
declined by 1/10 of 1% last month.
That will never make a headline.
But over the course of 70 years, it changes everything.
It compounds like anything else.
And most good news is just like that.
It just compounds slowly.
It kind of, it's a slow boil in the background.
So it's very easy to ignore 'cause it's so slow.
But now think about bad news.
Think about Pearl Harbor
and how the entire world changed in one hour.
Think about September 11th
and how everything in the world changed in 30 minutes.
And COVID, which basically seemed to hit
overnight practically.
Or think about a stock market crash
that happens in one week
and the stock market loses 40% of its value.
Bad news tends to happen very quickly.
And because it happens quickly, you cannot look away.
It's going to catch your attention
because it happened overnight.
And there is no equivalent of Pearl Harbor
or 9/11 for good news.
There's no such thing where the world changes
for the better dramatically in 30 minutes.
It doesn't happen, but it happens very frequently
with bad news.
And even something like a car accident
or a tree falling in your yard,
bad news tends to happen instantaneously.
Good news is slow compounding in the background.
So even if the good news is more powerful over the long run,
it's going to make a bigger difference in the world.
It is easy to ignore because we are caught paying attention
dear in the headlights
to the bad news that happens very quickly.
All right, next one.
This one's maybe a little bit more controversial,
but I think it happens a lot,
which is that misery loves company.
And so pessimism shows that not everything is moving
in the right direction,
which helps you rationalize the personal shortcomings
and the challenges that you have in your own life
that we all have.
Misery loves company, as they say.
And so realizing that things outside of your control
could be the cause of your own problems
is a very comforting feeling.
And so we're attracted to it.
And so if you, as many of us,
including me do from time to time,
feel that we're falling behind,
that we're not doing a good enough job,
there are challenges that we don't know the answer to,
sometimes it can feel good to read a new story
about other people struggling as well.
It makes you put your own struggles and insecurities
and challenges into context that feels good.
Number three, the idea that pessimism requires action,
you have to do something,
whereas optimism usually means stay the course
and just don't do anything.
And that's why pessimism gets your attention more
because you have to go out and do something about it.
So pessimism in the stock market is,
hey, you need to sell your stocks.
You need to sell everything that you have right now.
That'll get your attention 'cause you need to do it.
It's like, get out, run, there's a fire,
there's somebody chasing you, grabs your attention
'cause there's an action to take right now.
But you don't wanna read an article by an optimist
that says everything's fine, just don't do anything.
Maybe that feels a little bit,
that feels good if you believe it,
but you can just push that article to the side.
There's no, you don't need to add it
to your checklist of things to do.
You are gonna be much more likely to pay attention
to something if you need to do it
rather than just the fine print that you can ignore over time.
So tell someone that everything will be great
and they are likely to either shrug you off
or offer you a skeptical eye about what they say.
But if you tell somebody that they are in danger,
they will, you will have their undivided attention.
Say we'll have a big recession and the newspapers
and CNBC are gonna call you and ask for your opinion.
But if you say that we are headed for an average growth
and an average outcome, nobody cares.
No one's gonna listen to you.
All right, next one.
This one I think is very common, particularly in finance.
Optimism sounds like a sales pitch.
While pessimism sounds like somebody who is trying to help you.
And often that is the case.
A lot of times the optimists are the ones
who are trying to sell you something
and it is a sales pitch.
But in general, most of the time,
optimism is the correct default setting
and pessimists can be as big of sales pitchers
as anybody else.
Especially, I think that's true
if it's a topic that is emotional,
like money or politics or even health
that tend to be kind of tribal and emotional.
That's when the pessimists I think can actually get you
your attention the most.
There are two topics that will affect your life
whether you're interested in them or not.
And those are money and health.
Doesn't matter whether you like those topics,
those topics like you and they will affect your life
one way or another.
And while health issues tend to be individual,
it's your own life.
Money issues in the economy and the stock market
are more systemic.
Like we're kind of all in this together
and where the economy's gonna go
or the stock market's to go.
And so in any connected system
where one person's decisions can affect everybody else,
it's understandable why financial risks gain this spotlight
and financial pessimism gains the spotlight
and captures your attention
in a way that few other topics can.
And one last one here is that pessimists often extrapolate
the present trends of what's going on today
without accounting for how things can change
and adapt in the future.
So finding something that is ugly and scary
and pessimistic today and assuming it's gonna stay
like that forever is a very easy assumption to make.
That look, the budget deficit is like this today.
And if you assume it's like that for the next 50 years,
it's gonna be terrible.
People do things like that all the time.
And it's very persuasive
because you're not saying the world's gonna change.
You're saying it's not going to change,
which seems like less of a stretch
than imagining how something might adapt.
But that's usually not how the world works.
Things do change, things do adapt.
Problems correct and people figure out new ways
how to do things
and how to put up with old challenges that they had.
Threats incentivize solutions in equal magnitude.
The bigger the threat, the bigger the risk,
the more incentive there is for people
to figure out what to do about it.
That is a very common plot of economic history
that is too easily forgotten by the pessimist
who forecast in straight lines
that we are very, very good
at figuring out new ways to solve challenges.
And the bigger the challenge,
the more incentive there is to adapt.
In 2004, The New York Times interviewed Stephen Hawking,
the scientist whose incurable motor neuron disease
had left him paralyzed and unable to talk since age 21.
Through his computer, which of course is how he spoke,
Hawking told the interviewer how excited he was
to sell books to laypeople
and just how great and fun his life was.
The New York Times asked him,
they said, are you always this cheerful?
And Hawking's replied, I love his reply.
He said, quote, my expectations were reduced to zero
when I was 21.
Everything since then has been a bonus.
Expecting things to be great and being very optimistic
means a best-case scenario that often feels flat.
Pessimism reduces expectations,
narrowing the gap between possible outcomes
and the outcomes that you feel great about.
And so maybe that is part of why it's so seductive.
Expecting things to be bad is the best way
to be pleasantly surprised when they're not.
That's it for this episode.
Thanks again for listening and we'll see you next time.
(upbeat music)
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
ReadWise app helps track highlights from reading materials.
Optimism is about believing in favorable outcomes despite setbacks.
Pessimism tends to sound smart and attracts more attention.
Pessimism is intellectually seductive due to various reasons like the pace of progress and the need for action.
Pessimism often overlooks the adaptive nature of the world and focuses on present trends.
Summary:
The podcast episode discusses the ReadWise app for tracking highlights from readings. It delves into the contrasting perspectives of optimism and pessimism, emphasizing that optimism involves believing in favorable outcomes despite challenges. Pessimism is portrayed as intellectually seductive due to reasons like the slow pace of progress, the allure of shared misery, and the perception that pessimism requires action.
The text highlights that pessimists tend to extrapolate present trends without considering future adaptations. Additionally, it notes how bad news captivates attention more than slow-progressing good news. The narrative also touches on the emotional and tribal nature of topics like money and health, where pessimism often gains attention.
Ultimately, the text suggests that while pessimism may seem smart and attractive, optimism, with its focus on adaptive solutions and positive outcomes, offers a more sustainable and beneficial perspective.
FAQs
ReadWise is an app that helps you keep track of highlights from books and online content, allowing you to review them later.
Optimism involves believing in the odds of a good outcome over time, despite setbacks, while complacency is assuming everything will be good without effort.
Pessimism tends to capture more attention as it sounds smarter and more urgent, drawing people in with bad news and scary forecasts.
Setbacks and bad news often happen quickly, capturing attention, while progress and good news happen slowly over time and are easy to overlook.
Pessimism often requires immediate action, making it more attention-grabbing, while optimism may seem superficial and passive in comparison.
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