Why Passive Income Is REAL in 2025: Seve Ortale Breaks Down the Payment Processing Gold Rush

Hi, I'm Mike Troy, host of the American Revolution Podcast on the Airwave Media Network. This podcast is the origin story of the United States, how we went from colonies ruled by a king to the Democratic Republic that we have today. The American Revolution Podcast tells the story of the revolution from beginning to end. Please subscribe for free, we're available on all major podcast platforms. I hope you will join me today on the American Revolution Podcast. I want to be an entrepreneur but I don't know what. That's slowly sort of morph into I want passive income but I don't know how. Being an agent payment processing you can just be a killer one man operation. You can make 20, 30, 40, 50 grand plus a month just you and completely passively maybe work an hour, maybe two a week, feel some texts and emails here and there. That's what drew me into it at first. I've been outside of that obviously. My biggest why is just wanting to free. I could have gotten a W2 job and built up and climbed the ladder but money doesn't mean anything if you can't do what you want to do with your own time. Hey guys and welcome back to the level of podcast. This is Paul Alex. Guys, we are top one in business right now on Apple Podcast because of you guys. The four million downloads that we had back in what was the month, Emilio and August guys. See, I'm losing my mind here. Anyways, we have a phenomenal interview with an entrepreneur. He's actually a pretty young entrepreneur out of national Tennessee guys. He goes by the name of Sevy. So think about it like this. Payment processing, credit card processing guys. It's one of the biggest blue oceans now in 2025 guys and this man is the man with the plan. I'm looking to learn more on how you guys can start as a beginner to turn into a CEO. Okay. You're going to learn from the best. And he's also what I like. He also did a little bit of firefighting too, which is pretty cool. A little bit. Yep. Thanks for having me on by the way. Sevy, welcome to show, brother. Thank you. How was your trip? It's been great. We actually, my CEO Pete, he's here with us. We write him from Nashville. He happened to be coming out there. We had a big, big enterprise deal that we're pitching about $500 billion a year in processing volume. So working on that and then straight over to here and we're leaving tomorrow. So dude, how does, how does someone land a massive deal like that? So it's crazy. It, uh, I couldn't tell you how, but they keep just kind of coming into our pipeline. Um, whether it's people's connections, this one, uh, it's a D1 basketball player that's in our program. Somebody that was in that, uh, went to that same school. Yeah. He actually is involved with company doing about half a billion a year. They just started having a conversation about it and he reached out to us so he could broker it and, uh, here we are. So, so would you say your network is absolutely everything in this game? Absolutely. 100%. Yeah. It's, it's all about, you know, knowing people that know the right people and that getting that connection, getting you in the right room, it can, one deal can completely change your life. I love that. I love that. And Sevy, for the audience that right now is listening and watching this, okay? Tell us who you are. Yeah. So, to the state, I think I'm just, just a guy, right? Um, but yeah, I mean, I grew up in Nashville, Tennessee, um, went to college, um, despite my wishes, but to make, make the parents happy, luckily, I met my fiance there and, uh, yes, shortly after I got straight into, uh, credit card processing after I had a failed, um, business and, uh, found that and went from agent to owning my own ISO in about two years. Dude, I love that. That's quick. Two years. Yep. I've been here for five years, old, 26 next month. So. I love it. I love it. Happy early birthday, my man. Thank you. So, you went to college, parents wanted you to go, you didn't want to go. That's correct. So, so what was your vision instead of college if you had your choice back then? So for a long time, growing up, anytime somebody asked me, what do you want to do in your older blah, blah, blah? I'd always say I want to be an entrepreneur, but I don't know what. Right? Um, and that, honestly, for me, that was like a tough thing because you feel kind of like an idiot because entrepreneur is already hard, entrepreneurship, sorry, is already hard enough. And to say like, oh, yeah, no, I want to do that really hard thing, but I don't know how or what. And that was thing was like, oh, well, I'll figure it out in one of them and they're like, at now, that's not going to be how this works. Right? So ultimately, listen to them, um, you know, the positive thing came out of it again. And my fiance there. Um, but yeah, I didn't know. And that, honestly, like I spent a long time, I've researched pretty much every business model there is out there. And that vision's always been being an entrepreneur of some sort. And uh, yeah, luckily, um, my parents growing up, most people don't have this, they wanted me to be an entrepreneur, but they didn't really necessarily believe in the whole not go to call this thing along with that. Dude, I respect that. I respect it because they encourage you to go ahead and actually follow what you want to do, which is your vision, right? Mm-hmm. You know, I have a son coming up here in December in short, low amount of time, dude. And I was, you know, I talked to my buddies that have kids, right, for the past few years, and they're like, dude, are you going to get them into business? Are you going to do this? What are you going to do? Are they going to be a cop? And I'm like, bro, look, I'm going to go ahead and just be the Mr. Miyagi to my son and show him the way on how to go ahead and be successful. Now, whether they want to use it or not, that's on that. Yep. But I will say this, I do agree with your parents though, because it's a flex, bro. It's a flex that you graduated. Yeah. I dropped out. I dropped out. I dropped out, dude. Six years was the first, I guess, family member in my family to make six figures, which was a flex for me. Yeah. But at the end of the day, I still wish I would have completed it. I still wish I would have transitioned from community to four-year and then just got it done. Just to say, like, I did it. Yeah, of course. But my sisters did it. So, I was a black sheep. Uh-huh, yep. But, cool. So, you go to college. Did you end up doing, like, wrestling in college? I know we also talk about firefighting. Yeah. So, yeah, I was a wrestler for about 10 years growing up. I didn't wrestle in college. My brother did. But, yeah, my college is one of two colleges in the nation. We have a student volunteer fire department. So you're freshman year, if you're interested, you try out. If you make, they only take six, generally about like 30 or 40 start on the first day classes and then, you know, they take six after trials. And if you make it, you're on it for the rest of your time in college. So you have, like, a little pager. You're on campus with and, you know, you can be a class, whatever, doing whatever. If your pager goes off, you got to go to the station, get the engine and go out there. So, yeah, you're on call about half your time. And yeah, it's a bigger responsibility. It's almost like it's a little fraternity there. But yeah, it's an awesome, awesome thing they do. So. And that day, you didn't want to go ahead and become a full-time firefighter after that, my man? That wasn't in the cards for me. No. Yeah, no. If I didn't have the entrepreneurial urge, I think I would have. I mean, I've always said, like, if it weren't for that, I'd probably just work a dangerous job. And firefighting too. It's an awesome job. Don't get me wrong. It's just, it's not what I saw myself doing for the rest of my life, but it's a great experience. You get to learn a lot, meet a lot of cool people, and have a pretty interesting skill set because of it. Well, I love that, man. So you met your life in college. Obviously, when you go into relationships when you're in business, okay? You go ahead and you tell your spouse or whoever you're getting the relationship, what you're going to do for a living. So you're in college. What is your girlfriend at that time? Now she's your fiancee. What's her name? Addy. Shout out to Addy. But what did she think about your entrepreneurship vision? Oh, man. So she's a small town Christian girl. Yeah. So grew up. Her dad actually, you know, he owns a dealership. He started after that dealership had already been around, but basically worked his way into an ownership position through basically sweat equity. So that said, the whole entrepreneurship thing's new to them. That's normal for my family, all my cousins, all entrepreneurs, everything, but very new to them. And yeah, at the time we met, my plan was to have any conversation. And she's supportive, she believes in it, but I get into it more later. But as I worked on that thing for about a year, tried launching it. It wasn't working out. But yeah, I mean, it's definitely different. It was different for her. Her family was definitely a little bit apprehensive of it. In fact, after I asked for her parents blessing to, you know, propose to her. Her dad basically rebate him said, like, hey, about a year, year and a half ago, if you would have asked me what I said now. Hey, at least he was real with you. Yeah. You respect you enough to be like, hey, you know, you're cool. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. So let's talk about your e-commerce venture. Okay. So you started an e-commerce. Why e-commerce? So yeah, it's a weird one. It actually had to do with payments. Okay. And we want to get technical on the card issuing side. But so what it was, it was like a ring that you wear on your finger, right? And basically, I partnered with the European tokenization platform. They could take a credit card and put it in the NFC chip in your ring without actually touching the credit card or anything. And you could use that for tap to pay. You didn't have to charge it. It's waterproof. You could always have it. Now, the tricky thing with it is European banks would allow for it in the US banks. What? God. So the tokenization platform was the European. So basically, senior in college, building sub, have a European marketing company, European distributor, European manufacturer, and could only sell this in Europe. So you can imagine that wasn't a great opportunity trying to run ads in different languages and everything like that. But yeah, it's where I started. And basically, we spent about a year working on it. And then by the time I graduated, it just, you know, was throwing money at it and it just couldn't work. Yeah. You were trying to force it to work. It wasn't. wasn't going to you were just like you know what my main avatars which is America mm-hmm can't even can't even target them. Yep. Yep. And I still have a bunch of inventory sitting in my garage actually. Wow. For those rings that I think if you know the banks will ever allow allow for it here I think it could be you're ready to walk. It could be a good opportunity. Yeah you're ready to make a rain dude. Maybe not in Europe though. I love that. I love that dude you got to share that. You got to share that on socials dude. Yeah. I would love to hear more about that. I need to. Because there's a lot of people out there dude that they have boltable ventures that just never happen. Yeah. And dude even myself like I lost 30k on Amazon. Yeah. Freaking got scammed. Yeah. I had all types of shit bro like I was a nightclub promoter right. Yeah. Like you know and it was all before I went ahead and started these ventures now for the past like seven years but with that being said so that happens. You're out of college and then how do you get into payment processing? Yeah so since that business was like I mean I had to do with payments right. Family friend of ours is made hundreds of millions of dollars in payment space. Dad is friends with and I've known him since I was you know tiny. We kind of been consulting with him a little bit on this obviously he's more on the acquiring side than the issuing side but you know we're speaking with him about it and you know getting some input. He might dabber golfing one day and he was like well you get to have you in the just payment processing. You know it just sales like he you know I know 20 year old guys making 30 grand a month doing this and it's all passive income right and sure enough my dad told me I was like all right sure like you know still stuck on making that business for a good time. I was like yeah I'll do it as a sign-house. I didn't want to admit that I was throwing in the towel at that point and there I so there sales organization for processing is more of a W2 sales ISO so not independence but they're gonna bring me on it's just 1099 independent to do my thing and luckily they got to kind of squeeze me in with their W2 training of the new batch of employees that are hiring and so when I spent a couple days with him and basically hit it from there got got a little class on it and I was about it. So let's talk about that man because not a lot of people could take a little class and execute. So let's talk about your mindset dude when you were at that class what were you thinking were you like dude this is for me you were like I'm gonna give it a try just to you know just to please my parents what was your thought process through that. Man so I had never done sales at that point I always said I want to be an entrepreneur and like I always had it back in my head it's like I'm gonna need to learn sales at some point right this is a big big gap and you know I get there not knowing anything about it never having done sales and that was the time that I was like wow I'm built for sales like I love this the I have to shout out Kevin Murphy's his name. Shout out Kevin. Yeah he started pro merchant and he was doing their training there and he he made me fall in love with it he was talking you know I grew up as a wrestler right and I saw how sales is almost like a competitive thing winner lose you're on your own two feet and it was like this is awesome like you know you're you're closing people you're making money and yeah I mean I saw that and just felt absolutely in love and then went from there but it wasn't it wasn't like you know it gave me everything right it was it was a good overview I fell in love with sales and but there were definitely you know as much as you can learn a three four five day class right so there was definitely a lot missing from it that I had to learn on my own and what a year was this this was 2023 actually so in 2023 you go through this five day class or four to five day class you learn it the ISO at that time independent sales organization guys he goes it takes you under the wing mentors you you fall in love with it because of the competition portion of it which I like yeah because as it's sales sales is everything guys I mean every industry you're selling you know think about like this you go to the doctor what are they selling you the medication yep right at the end of the day you go to five different doctors yeah they're all gonna sell you five different medications so exact same thing dude you you had it on point so then from there what was your first milestone where you were like dude this is going to be the industry that's gonna make me a multi-millionaire yeah so after that training right I actually got to shout out somebody his name again shout out Colby um he sort of involved us still to the state but I got to shout out and he was that 20 year old making about 25 30 grand a month and like okay if he can do it I can definitely do it like you know he just graduated college same time as being there's you know nothing separating us so yeah shout out to him and after that pretty much on my own right I was an independent they're more cut out for W2 employees like they didn't have a whole lot of bandwidth for me and I can't blame them it's okay and yeah actually with the 600 businesses in a row got shut down every single time what was the common denominator on why they would deny you so my whole pitch was just awful brand new it sales didn't know anything you know I would walk in there and my whole pitch was hey I can save you money get out get out get out and you know it took a lot of obviously perseverance of that time to keep going and eventually I started realizing that okay pitching them savings like you know that's important right that's like as you know the ultimately what gets sale but everybody's coming in here everybody that tells processing and saying that so I realized it was about providing value outside of just the savings and saying and notice you're still handwriting tickets and walking into the kitchen let's give you a handheld device and in a kitchen printer and then you can just put the order in there and a little print and providing value outside of just like hey let me save you some money and then ultimately I started to get some sales have my first one rolling and then it turned into a couple and then I got three sales in a day and yeah I saw my first residual check in October of 2023 it was $355 and donated the whole thing and that was a that was a huge milestone all as even though it was only $355 that was huge huge and the reason why I say it's huge for all the listeners right now and all the viewers because for most people that start on to entrepreneurship they would never make a dollar they would never make a dollar especially when you start from the ground up especially when you have to learn the industry especially when you have to defeat your mind behind I've never done sales I got to go ahead and talk to hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of strangers put myself out there because now in society people can handle now so how did you go ahead and have that bulletproof mindset to take that much pain because that's what it is pain dude yeah it sucks it hurts your ego right yeah so how did you develop that mindset so I think years of wrestling has just beat it into me you know not only is that a grueling sport but you're cutting weight when you're not actually practicing or working out you're not eating that makes you pretty tough but I think just seeing someone else do it and knowing there's nothing different between me and him I love that I love that and I resonate with you dude you know when I first broke into ATMs same thing I was like dude it's freaking easy yeah hell I already have sales experience I could do this and I was able to do it same thing went into when I first go back on online as I like to call myself a dinosaur and say like hey dude like I can figure it out you know I don't need to be 21 to do this yeah and that's it because I would see these other guys and you still see them average everyday people you went over there on the online space now you know social media has allowed that every day person to go ahead and market themselves and to build multi-million dollar companies right if you do it right so what that being said you go ahead and you build up your residuals you donated dude huge milestone making residual income what do you say is your why to wanting to build passive income dude like I was saying a minute ago how I want to be not to promote but I don't know what that's slowly sort of morph into I want passive income but I don't know how and in fact before I got into it speaking in my now fiance dad I remember telling him that he's like well of course everyone wants that right they just don't know how yeah exactly and just share enough happen sense but I'd say my biggest why is just wanting to free right and it's morph now but at least you know being an agent payment processing you can just be a killer one-man operation and you can make 20 30 40 50 grand plus a month just you and completely passively maybe work an hour maybe two a week you know feel some texts and emails here and there that's what drew me into it at first I mean outside of that obviously I love money but yeah who doesn't so I'd say it's a big big time freedom thing and being able to you know because you can I could have gotten a W2 job and built up and climbed the ladder but that money doesn't mean anything if you can't do what you want to do with your own time right right and then how long okay because now you're breaking into the online space you've been in the online space for how long now so going from being an agent to starting the ISO is that what you're referencing here so yeah so agent ISO which you can go through the transition but then also being in the [BLANK_AUDIO] online space and then telling people about the opportunity to break into the space. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So I was an agent about a year built my book up to about 25 30 year-end. It's still kind of balances between the two every month now. But yeah, agent about a year and went straight into building out our own ISO and we did it through educating others on how to do it. So and that was about a year ago as of this month actually. Congratulations, Ben. I love it. I love it. So what does it take to build your own ISO besides a lot of sweat. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, be a psychopath for sure. I noticed it a lot of work. It's your it's no longer passive income side hustle or passive income. One man team it takes a lot of being diligent and you know a lot of logistics handling paperwork deployments customer support you know changes for the account. It takes a lot of that in really building a team because you can't do that alone. Yeah. Yeah. And then as far as your team how much has your team grown since you started as a one man team? Yeah. So I was a one man team for arguably way too long and then brought Pete my CO one. I want to say about four or five months ago and it was a two man team for a couple months. I was doing basically everything you know helping agents close deals doing the paperwork handling deployments and I'd say within that four months fan we've expanded to about six people. Six people. That's good man. That's good. And then what's your vision now that you you know how it is to be a beginner dude. So you know the pros and the cons. You can go ahead and now mentor people in the space. You're you're building up your own ISO. You have the experience of doing that. And now you're transitioning to a bigger team which is awesome. Now you're building a coaching program as an additional company separate from your ISO correct. Yep. Yep. So what is your vision for now your coaching program like ultimately what do you want to help people do with that? Yeah. So the reason I started it is honestly because of the 600 does that right? You know I got a little bit of training was out of my own. Had some people I could text or email in here back when I heard back but it's to cut that whole thing out that most new agents go through without support and most time give up right? And so the vision we really it's two things. It's one we I want to give people everything I needed to know to build my book to 25 30 grand a month and two give them everything I wish I knew when I started that I didn't because they're there were a lot of gaps for sure. And that's that's kind of the whole vision there and you know we've seen it works great. People people are getting deals really really quick I've had people go into their first business and sign up the deal. I love that I love that man. So what would you say as a beginner? So now we're we're transitioning more into coaching people on this segment of the interview. So for the people that might be interested in jumping into credit card processing. Yep. What type of characteristics do you think a person needs to have to be a monster agent? Yeah I would say person based on what you've seen. Yeah persistence and I mean obviously a lot of grit right? Yeah. I've been to the day still sales you're gonna get told no all the time and that's completely normal. Persistence is the most important thing even if you're doing you know I what's the number we'll say three deals a month that's still like a ten thousand dollar yearly raise you're getting every single month right and so if you can just do that for ten months you'll be making a hundred grand a year passively. Yeah you know you can be the best agent for two months I'm 30 deals over two months and then not doing anything again and you're gonna flat line but if you can consistently even slowly just stack on a couple accounts here and there as a side hustle you can actually within a year completely change your entire financial situation. I love that I love that so it's basically painting that picture letting people know that it is possible for them to go ahead and do that. Now what would you say okay would be the first five steps if somebody right now was trying to look to get started with the credit card process. Oh man first five steps so obviously you got to find an ISO right a lot of things you want to look out for with ISOs of course you know they'll put traps in the agreement that you know you don't get lifetime residual you don't have equity value and you can't resell your residual portfolio you want to make sure you're avoiding all that and then I tell people find places you can get up from on as well in addition to residual kind of keep the lights on while you're building that so first thing is find an ISO get set up with them go through whatever training they provide and then honestly just get out there it just go hit doors go talk to people and if you want to you can start go through your phone contact list right down everyone you know that's connected to a business some way somehow and start there and it's gonna be messy when you get started yeah that's okay yeah I think a lot of people they they don't realize that they're probably sitting on a gold mine just in their town right you know I always go back to one of my mentors used to say like you know because obviously as a business you always want more traffic dude you always want relief right client acquisition so he would always go like dude just go to your dream hundred clients like where they would they hang out like where would they go it's think about like a fishing pond yeah right and I transitioned that in order to for my clients and my mentees I always telling like dude just think of your guys dream 10 I'm not even gonna tell you guys to go ahead and shoot for a hundred let's start out small yeah like small wins right that's why I resonate when you're like dude I made my first $355 check and I donated I think that's freaking great because a lot of people they're like oh if it ain't a million it's not a win it was like are you slow like comments in saying common no more you know saying like a lot of people don't even make a first dollar you know if you guys follow Alex Hermozzi and you guys started first seeing his first couple ads for school when he took that company and he and he became a co-founder of that his ads if you look at it specifically to what he says he says 70% of people that go on school make their first dollar he didn't say something crazy like you're gonna make tens of thousands of dollars yeah like a lot of marketers out there right no he said your first dollar because it's more reasonable yeah right and you always got to go ahead and when you market this you got to go for what's more reasonable and achievable for the common person out there because now everybody's business minded now everybody has the grit right but but no that's that's good man so what would you say okay is the future of payment processing dude do you think blockchain crypto what are your thoughts so I think we're a while out from that I think for I think the whole crypto thing we're pretty far out reason why it's ultimately the whole thing is a racket right it's visa mastercard discover amx it's all a racket there's too much big money behind you know letting something completely take over overnight I think there's a solid future in the way it is for a long time because of that but said there if if crypto does come into play if these things do come into play it's gonna be coming through those channels they're not gonna let that slide without them making money do you think it's just gonna be like an ancillary option almost like you know I remember when I was doing eight times we were also doing btms big quintelle machines right where essentially it would be like a third party service and they would have a wallet they would be able to hold the funds and get the funds instantly per merchant right do you think that possibility of something like that I think I think in the interim that is probably how it would the transition would go right I don't see it being an overnight thing like oh bang like visa mastercard amx they works with Bitcoin now right I think it would start out as sort of like an ancillary third party thing and then I see it becoming more mainstream through again those channels right long term but I don't know if that's 10 years out or 50 or 70 yeah yeah it's like the unknown man just like just like everything encrypt out bro you never know we're gonna catch the wave man yeah but cool dude so let me ask you this for anyone right now that wanted to go ahead and actually work with you what would be the process that you would take them over from basically let's say from the first time they talk to you to go ahead and actually being able to go out there and get their first account yeah so that's actually something we're sharp in the upright now so typically the way it's worked and it's worked great we just want to make it better yeah of course typically the way it's worked is you know get in you have your onboarding call you take our online training and then you go out there right that in between step we want to make it even easier so you get in onboarding call do the training and now what we're doing is coming up with basically like a registration process if you will for agents so what your job will be after that after taking the training will be you know right down 50 different locations in your own town and you have to get 10 different appointments with one of our managers so basically you go out there you talk with merchants business owners get them interested book a time for a follow-up with them and then one of our managers will be on for that do that 10 times see the process start to finish see us close a couple deals and let us do it for you and then you're going to know how to do it you'll literally live see objection overcoming and you know how we go about about showing them their savings and everything. And then from there, you're on your own, you're good. So that's-- - Dude, that's pretty cool. - Yeah, that's the process where we're nailing down right now, Pete and I are working on it. Literally, it's a bad-- - That's pretty bad ass. I like that, I like that. Hands-on training is everything, dude. I tell people, you know, social media, I'm just, I'm a old school type of guy, dude. I'd rather do like the face-to-face, get hands-on training. And then that's the way I learn, right? More of like a visual guy. - Yep. - That's cool. - Do you guys plan on going and, let's see, doing events or going ahead? And I know you guys, you and your partner, you guys are doing a podcast, right? - Yep, yep, we're working on that, the operator's podcast. Yeah, it's not gonna be just payment processing. We're gonna have a lot of the people in our program on it, of course, but-- - Very cool. - People who are business operators, just operator mindset kind of grinders and done well for themselves. That's really what we want. Regarding the events, we're talking about doing one. For everyone in our program, get them out to Nashville, we just got an office space. You know, Nashville's a fun place to be to-- - Dude, I heard. - Yep, yep. Go out to Broadway. Have a good time with that, of course. - I love that, man, I love that. So what would you say, okay? If somebody right now wanted to get a hold of you, dude, where can they go actually go ahead and reach out to you? - Yeah, so our Instagram, well, my Instagram is Sevy, SEVE, underscore, ORT, ALI. There might be another underscore at the end there, but you'll find it. So Instagram's a great spot. I'm also on TikTok as well, same thing there. And yeah, mostly there. And yeah, there's a link to our website in my bio there. - I love that, I love that. And what would you say for anybody right now that's trying to build a brand? 'Cause you're building your brand, dude. And it's getting noticed. So, what kind of recommendation or advice would you give to anyone out there like an agent or someone who is in payment processing that's looking to build a brand? That's made you successful in the space. - I think honestly, shut up and work. That's what I tell myself, figure it out. Those are FIO. Those are my favorite acronym right there. It's just do the actual work. You can spend a whole month coming up with a logo, getting your LLC, all that. None of that matters other than just actually doing the work. For instance, the payments university logo to this day is a can fit template. - I love that. - Just change the colors in the action. - Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, dude. - Change the colors, change the words. - No respect, no respect. No, 'cause dude, I resonate with you so much, man. You know, when I first got into digital space, dude, canv'a, I literally canv'a everything. - Exactly. - I'd even have a website for like, damn area, year and a half. I had like a Facebook group with like an ugly banner. - Yeah. (laughing) - You don't say? Just taking the action dude, just providing value like you guys are. Now, you guys are gonna do great. I know you guys are. That's cool, man. So, some words of encouragement for anyone that's trying to go ahead and break into the payment process space right now. - Yeah, again, I think consistency is the thing that's gonna pay more than anything in this industry, but there's no other opportunity like this. I think only close thing is gonna be insurance, which the residual insurance sales at residual is not nearly as high. We talk to people all the time looking to shift over. - Oh, that. - I'd say, - That's a good comparison actually. - Yeah, and it's just so similar. I'd say consistency. Just keep putting one foot in front of the other and it's not gonna happen quick. And it's, in fact, it's gonna be slow. It took me a while, but you build your book and you can step away. I haven't gone door to door and over a year now and I'm still making $25, 30 grand a month for my deals. - Yeah, exactly. Positive income for life, dude. And you keep building if you want to and you get to go ahead and invest into other ventures and live life by design. - Exactly. - So, for our listeners and viewers right now, Sevy, what piece of advice would you have them to level up their mindset in 2025, brother? - Gonna fall back on my favorite quote here, which is, if it's indurable, then endure it. Stop complaining. - I love that. And that is the level up with Sevy, guys. And Sevy, once again, where can they find you? - On Instagram, Sevy_ or tell_ and TikTok same thing there. - And then also your coaching program, brother. Any website or anywhere where we could direct them to that? - So, yeah, paymentsuniversity.info or you can find that in the link in my bio. - Or in the description in this video or on Spotify or Apple, guys. Guys, leave a five-star review on Spotify, Apple Podcast and YouTube, guys. Make this interview go viral. Share this with someone that you care about, okay? That wants to go ahead and break into entrepreneurship. Try payment processing, guys. It's a great way to build residual income, passive income. So, they're able to live life by design like Sevy has. With that being said, guys, my name is Paul Alex. This is the level of podcasts. We'll catch you on the next one. Peace. (water splashing)