Why Is Anyone Surprised?

as part of the press release of the new chase, the regular season has gone, and the playoffs has gone. So there is no regular season champion. - That's the silliest thing. I bet that's incredible. - It's perfect. - If the one time you win the regular season, that's perfect. - It's like a good trophy, too. - No doubt. - I've touched it before as an owner. - The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media. - I believe that I've been a competitive for 20 years. - Opinions from tonight's podcast, strictly biased, you're gonna hear it from my point of view. - I'm a fighter. - No, you are not. - The spoils of victory for Jared Allen. - He's got better luck than Rick and Drake to win. - I know, you do. - Two trophies missing from your collection, a championship and the most popular driver. Someone told me that their drinking game is when I say for sure. - Yeah. - And I've already said it. - Hey guys, welcome to Action's Determinal after Northworks Roll Speedway. Race number 21 of the regular season, even though it's not the regular season anymore. We don't know what it's called. Yeah, just a fantastic weekend all around. The weather didn't really delay us, but maybe 10, 15 minutes on Sunday, which is great. Crowd was enthusiastic. I didn't see a whole lot of people stuck in parking lots. That part was good. - I heard there were a lot of Denny Brothers t-shirts out there. - There were. - There were. Definitely, I saw lots of kids. There were group of chicks that I saw that they had their shirts on. So yeah, it was pretty good. - I always love the reaction when you see these people, maybe see their backs. You notice they're all wearing your t-shirts and then you pass by them on the golf car or something and they catch a glimpse at it. - There he is, that's a guy! - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that group, they were very enthusiastic. - It's like a delay to read. - They're very enthusiastic, absolutely. - Yeah. - I think actually they had the, was it the Kings Hawaiian? - Yeah, the minions, the minions t-shirts. - Yeah, those were popular. Man, we can just get this out of the way quickly. The trucks, Chandler Smith, just absolutely, just demolished them. That was the largest victory in a truck series, short truck race in history. I think that's right. - Wow, yeah, in history, yeah. Which kind of makes sense. I mean, truck races usually aren't super long. Though the runs, I mean, they usually spend about 30% of the race in their caution. So you don't usually get like really long runs but they had one to finish the race and Chandler just, I mean, he, it actually reminded me a lot of Legano on Sunday where they started, not in the first couple of rows, but, you know, like every time they cut to them, he was passing them one. And Legano started a little bit behind me and passed me pretty easily. And then I just watched them like, weaved to the next car pass them. Weaved to the next car pass and I'm like, wow. So he was, they were both in a league of their own, I believe. So Chandler Smith, great job, I, them, you know, part of the connection was it appears now that now the lawsuits kicking in for Front Row in their truck program. - Yeah, I mean, you win. - And then the Todd father. - They're gonna get a million dollars next week. - It's all coming together. - I can't wait to see what happens in the chase. - Yeah, yeah. So that was pretty much a wrap on that. It was pretty straightforward. Any other notable things from the truck race? I thought SVGs run was notable, but I mean his cup race was more notable, right? Like two top fives, right? Both races. - Yeah, I just think the Chandler Smith domination that truck race in a field that was awfully stacked. - Absolutely. - A lot of good drivers in that field. - Yeah. And yeah, you would say that maybe it was like the, I mean, he won the race last year. So I wonder what that, I wonder what it is about that. Like, he didn't win a ton of races last year, but he did win somebody won this race, and there were some circumstances with Corey Hyme and Lane Riggs last year. But it seems like whenever you win here or you run well here, it's like mark it down. Like they're gonna run well the next time. And you know, so Lugano, while it was surprising, it wasn't surprising from a statistical standpoint because he's led like 75% of the laps or more at that racetrack. So not sure why we were all surprised, but needs to say we were. - Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I wasn't all that surprised. They expected those cars to be good, right? And then once they get out to clean air, it just didn't look like anyone besides you had much for them. - Yeah, it seemed like the race kind of went in different stages as it does. Stage one, there was tie gives, look good, but you know, he was out front, who knows? But it still looked like he battled back and finished somewhere pretty good. I think in the South of the top five. - Tie fourth. - Yeah. When he got the lucky dog, do we know how many cars were on the lead lap? Like where'd he restart? - I don't know that. - Yeah, I didn't think he would. - What's that supposed to mean? - Well, I mean, I don't think that you know. - It was hard to keep track of who was a lap down and who was two laps down. - Okay, do we happen to know how many cars were on the lead lap after that pit road spin? Like how many people got trapped lap down at that point? - There was 12 teams, yeah. - There was 12 people that were. - Okay, that's basically where I was going with it. So at that point. And you know, I definitely see a lot of social media stuff about man, that race really ruined X or ruined Y. I mean, there was cars multiple, multiple laps down that even after that went laps down again. So I mean, I'm telling you, I've been part of some short track races and I thought the 22 was just exceptional. It didn't seem like he was super line dependent. Like he would go in the corner sometimes and hit the bottom ish. Sometimes it would be in the middle. Sometimes he'd wash up to the middle and it just seemed like they had, you know, really, really good overall grip in the car. And Joey was able to be really aggressive, especially on restarts with it. So and usually every car has a weakness. It usually. I mean, sometimes again, these things happen where you get that memory, we talked about that 100% car. It definitely seemed like he was as close to that as what was possible. And by the way, I think I was pretty accurate on our percentage. - Did you ever tell some percent? - Yes. - 46.5. - I didn't see that. - You asked what percentage I had, those new listeners, I think the races broke up in two parts, right? It's, you got to show up with 50%. You don't have to show up. So to have the most dominant car you've ever had at the 50% car when you're unload. That's all the work that you put in during the week. Did you get your baseline set up correct? The other 50% comes from what adjustments do you make from practice overnight for the race on Sunday? Yeah, I told you all that I thought that I had like a 45% car. And by the way, you can win with 90% cars. You just need a little bit of help. You can win with 85% cars, but you really need a few guys to take each other out of the race through penalties and stuff. So I told you guys on the Denny Rose Chaddit, they're like, "How's the car? Give us a percentage." I said, "I thought I had a 45% car on the unload." And I thought that we were probably 48 with our changes overnight. So not bad, 93%, which yeah, we could win with it, but we needed a little bit of help. And the little bit of help would have enjoyed like I don't know not being in the field. - Speaking of the Denny Rose Chad, you need to just let us be enthusiastic. If we're getting pumped up, like, let us go. You're trying to like, you know, slow our roll. Like let us just, right. And I think Travis now looking back on it. There was reason to be the way that you felt. Definitely went there with a shadow. - You guys were like, we said, "Let's go." We didn't say like, "Okay, we got the party planned." - Okay, yeah, so peek behind the curtain here. - Right, I tell these guys that, you know, we're right around 93%. And I feel like we're about 93%. and they're like, "Oh yeah, yeah, let's go." And I'm like, "Philis, we haven't won anything." - And you guys were like, "We know, we're just, "we're up in our seat now." Was that whole, that meme from we're in Kitty where he goes forward with his feet were firmly planted. We were ready. - Okay. - But you gotta remember too, our baseline from last year was not good. - It was not good. - Right, so that was a man. If it was a 28% car on unload, that would've been generous. I mean, truthfully, it was not good. And then the overnight didn't really help anything. - But that was all star race. Like, how did anything play into that? Like, let's try something because it's an all star race? - No. - Okay. So, yeah, listen, you saw me go to Joey and congratulate him, it just, I thought it was very impressive. And so we're gonna give him his due on that. And obviously, when obviously means a lot to him, right now in his points position, battling to get into the chase, which he now firmly put his feet down on the ground. - I mean, what's 71 points you got? - Show's these plus 49. I mean, he got, yeah, he got 71 from the race, but 49 to the good, with some short tracks on the horizon. I think he's got to be feeling pretty good. Now, as a driver, I can tell you that, knowing that you're only 49 to whatever, maybe it's the point lead, maybe it's the cut line, you never feel safe at, you know, that 30, 40, 'cause it's like, oh, it just takes 1D and F and I'm zero. You know what I mean? It doesn't take much. Now, like we talked about, the Jones Prizes, Kazaski, it's not like these guys are putting up 40, 50 point days. So, I think he's got at least, you know, kind of a race and a half buffer there, which ain't going to some strong tracks. And we heard them talk about, and I heard Paul Wolf's interview, I think it was last week. Or maybe it was going, yeah, I was going into Atlanta where he was like, you know, Joey really has had this part of the schedule circled as, you know, this is where we got to make our hay. And that's a good start. And so back to your battle with Joey there. At what point in that run, did you think that he could have been the most vulnerable? At what point were you like, ooh, I think I got a chance here. If you ever felt like that? I thought for the first 10 laps, when he came out and I was right there on his bumper, I thought that he looked more vulnerable. And at that point, I'm thinking, man, maybe he would be the track being, you know, staying rubbered in because it was a green flag stop. Maybe his car doesn't react as good. Maybe it's not as good, 'cause usually what happens under cautions is we clean the racetrack up through driving really slow. The rubber on the tires picks up the rubber on the track. And I was like, maybe that's why he was so strong. He just was really strong in the clean track. And so I could hang with him, you know, just enough to keep him honest, but it was a fine line for me to feel like, I just thought that if I pushed any harder, I just was gonna have absolutely nothing left once we did get into heavy traffic. So I just was there, you know, and he would just edge me by like six inches a lap, you know? And so I thought that if we were gonna win that one that was probably gonna be like, we were gonna steal it. It was gonna have to be because he got caught in traffic or something, which is, we just were second best. What about immediately after short-pinning him? - By one lap. - I saw him on the apron pulling out of pit lane. And I thought he actually had a bigger lead than he did, but you actually have to run so slow around the apron at that racetrack to keep it off the racetrack, that it was closer end to turn three than what I was thinking. But I love the call from Gail on that just trying to get me out in front of him. It certainly could change the complexion. When you're racing with a car, you know, close and equal speed and you put them behind me, then yeah, I can certainly make his car not handle quite as good by driving defensively. So, but yeah, we tried just not quite good enough. - Do you need like one more lap? - Yeah, if he would have stayed out one more lap, we would have jumped ahead of him. - Yeah. - So was it a late call? I don't know where you were. - It was late and it was off turn two. - Yeah, there was a lot of urgency in Chris's voice when he came over the radio. So do you know that that's coming? Are you prepared for when they do make the call? Like what do you what do you have to go through in the car to get into, you know, pit road entry? - Yeah, so what I'm quickly doing is adjusting brake bias, one to get on pit lane, one to then get to the pit box. I'm checking my surroundings, and I don't think that got done. At some point of this race track, this race, but I'm looking to see, can I get down? And at the time, he called me. I was right getting ready to exit turn two. Somebody was leaving pit lane, and I knew I was going to be able to, you know, I always want to pull down and get myself clear before I let off. The last, the worst thing he can do is let off as you're pulling down because then on-come traffic, you know, is coming at a high rate of speed and they can clip you. So is Gail calling it at that where you are on the track because Joey's not going to be able to react quick enough to also get to pit road in the same lap? - Yep, yep, that's what he's trying to do. - And then hopefully he stays out next to that, but they know better that, hey, if you come, we got to come to next lap to defend our position. - Yep, yeah, exactly right. - Speaking of pit calls, what did you, how did you feel about that pit call on the opening stage to stay out, the only driver to stay out? - Awesome. - I mean, Chris Gail, my team typically loves to put on tires, but you know, we talked pre-race and I don't know, I probably talked them into it, pre-race about it. We said a few things I'm not going to get into, but I, we wanted to stay aggressive. We wanted to stay aggressive with our track position. I mean, it was a net gain force, right? I think we were six or something. - Seven than you've finished fourth. - Yeah. So, and it was a battle. I mean, I was doing everything I could to hold all the track position. I'm sure Carson Horsovar was frustrated having getting stuck behind me, but you know, I just wanted to make sure I run my line, you know, I knew it was going to be tough. Any other time of the race, you know, I certainly will let him, would have let him go, but I had to hold that track position, you know, because I knew the end of the stage was coming. If it was an infinite run where we don't know where that classroom was coming, I, you know, certainly would have just let him go, but we raised hard, but there was one time I think he, he really tries to slide guys a ton, like he'll go in there and just overdrive and then use his right rear to kind of just move you up. And, you know, so I know that tendency. So I plan for it and drive accordingly. So I just wouldn't make sure I drove in really deep to not let him ever clear. And then there was one time he slipped up, got in the side and I gave him the old finger out the winner. No, no, no, don't, don't, don't do that. And then from there on out, he didn't make contact again. - It seemed like he was also at the beginning of restart, so whatever going so hard. And it's like you're fighting for this one spot, but you're gonna ruin your tires and then you're gonna lose those spots more at the end. - Well, I mean, if you look at kind of, he's getting the most, you know, out of his car, certainly on the short run. He's really good at restart, so I think the numbers would support that. You know, some of that is the aggressiveness. Some of it is that's what he's built into his cars to be, you know, be able to charge corners really, really hard. Now that comes at a price, absolutely, in the long run. But, you know, there's a balancer that can be had, but that's, you know, that's where Carson allows himself to keep his track position is by being good on these restarts. If he gains two or three spots, it usually will take 80 laps for him to re-give those spots back away. So it's actually a strategy that I think that, you know, they're employing. - You seem to be, whenever Gild asked for thoughts on the car, very kind of like, end decisive yesterday, I could be wrong on that, but it just felt like you were like, when he's asking what you need, you're kind of like, I don't know. - Yeah, so a lot of it is because I haven't really been successful at that racetrack. So if you take me to Kansas, if you take me at Martinsville, whatever it might be, I've got so much experience there that I know what a really dominant car feels like. I've never really had that at that racetrack. So when I'm off by just a little bit, I'm, you know, I don't know, what do you see? You know, I don't want to, the last thing I want to do is send them down the wrong direction. And, so I'd. rather give a no comment over a, well, let me guess. - And they will react to make a big change. - And next, you know, you're going backwards because you've told them the wrong thing. - The best moment in the Denny Bro's chat yesterday came from that, staying out in stage one call because, you know, all of us in that chat have a very modest knowledge of racing. So you see, you stay out as the only cards, I go, oh, this might not be good. But then are, what do we call him? - The eternal optimist? - Our eternal optimist. We're good. There's going to be a huge crash here behind them. - I go for a crash. - What can we ask publicly? Why does Austin keep saying chestnut checkers? - Because I mean, playing the long game. - He must have said it three or four times yesterday. - Because it's like the restarts were like SVG and Carsten are going hard and it's like, you know, say the tires for the end, like, I know he's saying. - Well, he's usually listening to this live. I don't know. Austin, there's not always a grand plan behind everything. Like, like, if I fall back to 10th on a restart, that's just a shit restart. That's not chestnut checkers, you know what I mean? I love it because he's like, oh yeah, we're just saving our stuff. You watch us, we're going to blow through these fields. - He said, quote, I'm listening fuck. (laughing) - All right, yeah. Chestnut checkers. - Also, he's not the fixer, he might be losing that name. He's asking Scotty for help. - Yeah, so are we having issues? Do we need to ask for the public's help here? - I don't know what the. - So we're looking for a camper, but we don't want a nice camper or we want to. We want that works, but the bare minimum. - The bare minimum for the Denny Bro's campsite at Richmond, right? - Yeah. - I mean, because you guys were talking about, hey, let's go through the bus service and I'm like, I ain't getting all the nights out. - I didn't say that. - Yeah, I'm trying to, maybe we ask, do we text John, see if John can just park Denny's coach out in the campground. What do you think? - I mean, I'm down as long as we have some sort of. - We'd have to. - You're not down, you want your coach as far away you want to go to the campground, enjoy it, get your entertainment, and then leave when. - Absolutely, I'm like a grandparent, right? Oh, the grandcote children, they're great 'cause when we're done with them, we just act as their parents. - Yeah, so we're looking for modest accommodations. Everything we're finding is just actually too nice. I don't know how many bedrooms we need or beds. - Yeah, we need to have a head count. - Probably six. - Probably six. - I'm still bringing a tent. I'm still in the out on that train. - Yeah. - If it rains, you're gonna stay in there. - If it rains, that's gonna suck. - Chair, do you need an air mattress? - It's not gonna rain, we're not, there's not gonna rain. - Okay. - Remember back to this race, speaking of Pit Road, what do you make of Alex Bowman and Tyler Reddick? - Not clear. I mean, I didn't hear the audio, is there audio that's linked with video to, that's the only way you can really come do a assumption like kind of who's fault it is, is it a spotter? - I thought Bowman's tryout. - I thought Bowman's tryout took blame for it, but I can't remember. - Yeah, I just, I always still check my surroundings no matter what, what, but yeah, I don't know, it's at that track, it can happen quickly because there's not much, there's not a ton of room between Pit Commitment and then when you get off the corner, but it was, that was just kind of a, I mean, certainly a late and bold move that it actually worked out okay for those guys. - Well, I think Chasella even made fun of it like, somehow they're better off than the people that just pitted. - Yeah, causing the caution, as long as you don't go like multiple laps down, like causing the caution in the middle of the pit cycle is actually advantageous. - Yeah, 'cause it messed up a lot of people's days. - It, yeah, yeah, sure. And then there was a pit road with Connor Zilch and Carl Arson. Let me think on that. I watched it, usually my rule of thumb on that would be the car that is in the furthest that is in front has the right way. Like when it's a, we're merging at the same time, I always feel like that the merge needs, the yield needs to be to whoever's coming in late. You're coming in late 'cause you're in the back. That is not as important as whoever's running further up front. So I guess I'd kind of put it on Connor or the spotter or something. I'm not really sure the crew chiefs kind of put on the 88. - Yeah, I just, I'm wondering, usually, and if you noticed if you listened to my radio, they gave me a warning every time that hey, where our position is, there's many cars on the lead lap. There's likely to be cars coming into their install as you're leaving, so just be aware. So they gave me that heads up after every stop. - I mean, Bozy posted a video of Bubba's end car audio and video with them talking through coming in as the 22 was gonna be coming out and then they did the math and they're like, he'll probably be leaving right as you're coming in. Just see the choreograph and the work that goes into it. It was pretty fascinating to hear. - It is, there's a lot that goes into it and yeah, and so that was just a perfect scenario where Conner's two pit boxes up, you know, he usually starts, he usually starts going into his pit box. The five is just drop the jack. I don't know. I think that it was a close call. It was a close call, but I would lean 80, 20 to the 88 bunch. The only reason you would give any, any, any, any, any fault at all to the five, which I'm really not, is that if he happened to just drop the jack and get hit the first few feet where he pulls out because you can way to beat. Like when a guy is coming with momentum, you can just way to beat and then go out because asking this guy to go from pit road speed at 35 miles an hour to stop to then let you launch and leave, that might be a little bit much to ask for, but I would have to see it again, but I really don't care to. - I'm also just curious, at this track being pitted that far back on pit road in that corner, is that more chaotic than another area of pit road or not necessarily? - Well, the further back you are on pit road, the more opportunity that there will be, if you're running up front, the more opportunity will be that somebody is going to be coming around you because there's more stalls there. So it's usually better to pit further down pit road. If it's a racetrack, let me think, dover is another one that is very, very known for this amount of cars on the lead lap. Indy this weekend, there's gonna be, somebody's gonna crush on a bumper at Indy. It's very narrow. So it's just one of those tracks where, if you begin early in the pack, and you pit way back towards turn four, you're gonna have major traffic issues when you're leaving your pit stall. - So at what point in the pit road draft, you start getting-- - They all take an account. They take it into account. - No, but at what point in, 'cause you pick your box based on where you qualify, what number in qualifying? Like where is the, okay, we qualified 11th. We're starting to lose a selection of a good pit box at that number. - It depends on the track. So usually-- - In Indy this weekend. - I don't know, I'd have to look at the pit road map, but good stalls are essentially ones with openings, either an opening or an opening out. Some of them have 12th, which means there's six openings. And so get to an opening and opening out for each open stall. - Right. - So some of them have four openings, some of them have six. So it just kind of depends on the track, but usually if you put yourself inside of the top 10, you're gonna have an opening in 12th. - I'm just glad that this week, Lagona didn't pick right around you. - Well-- - 'Cause it usually does. - Consider it a term of endearment. - No, I get it, but this week it would have sucked. - I think that they would have thought this week, let's not pit around anyone that we think is good because we think we're gonna be good. - True. (laughing) - That's the strategy there. (dramatic music) - Hey everybody, it's Dale and Hart Jr., and there is no better way to support Denny Hamlin than wearing actions detrimental gear at the racetrack. You can also flip him the bird or head on over to you. shop.dirtymomedia.com to see what we have. I guess let's go back to Joey winning this. He, um, he had mentioned that whoever was out front on that last run was probably going to win the race. Is that was how important was the clean air here? Cause we, I feel like we did see quite a few movers. Yeah, there you could, you could make passes, um, but it was, it wasn't easy. Nor should it be, but it's, it's just, um, these cars got a lot of grip, right? And, and they have a lot of grip for a long amount of time. And, and I thought that the, the tire change that they put on the car, um, it's better. I mean, it's, it's better. Could it be more? Yeah, we still need just a little bit more. It, it, it, it falls off, but it falls off so slow. It's like a hundredth per lap. It's just not, not much. And, um, but yeah, I think that it would have been difficult. Um, I certainly could have dirtyed his air up and, and made him, you know, fight a little bit harder, but I think that I stayed close enough to him where I, I could see that he had a little bit more sense of urgency around lap cars than, than what he had earlier in the race. And there were softer bumpers this weekend. Yeah, they took the foam out from, from the from bumpers. So essentially, what you see, the nose on the car, there used to be, so the hard structure, you have the hard structure behind the nose. And then you had foam that would then butt up against the actual, the, the composite nose. Well, they took the foam out. So now there's just a big empty gap there. And, you know, the thought is to try to soften the, the licks from, from, from the bumper tag that happens on restart. So were you and on super speedways? Were you more wary of that when? Oh, yeah, moving, trying to just, well, there was one to start that I think Joey was waiting on me to hit him for him to go. And it's like, I buddy, I don't, I don't want to run, like, I don't want to run into you. And actually he, he was going pretty slow. And I, I got into him harder, definitely harder than I wanted to. So it'd be interesting to see if anything moved during that process. Because I don't, it's, it's not an exact science of, you know, I don't think anyone knows yet, like what mile per hour speed are you going to punch these nose in and have issues? Yeah. So you just then, when you're trying to move to the field, you're just opting to not make contact and, you know, move a guy up out of the groove. Well, you can do that. Like, because you know, to move someone out of the groove, you know, that contact is usually pretty subtle. It's the like the bumper tag that really can get, get this bumper kind of moving further than you would like for it to. Right. What do we make of North Kingsborough points race 450 laps? I mean, it's long. I mean, not by time I get it was only two hours, 50 minutes. But is there something that, you know, I just don't know if there's something that you saw in the last 50 you weren't going to see if it was 400 or that. I mean, not really in this race, right? I mean, but I don't know. Yeah, it was, it was long from that perspective. It was, it was hot from a humidity standpoint. Temperature wise, I didn't think it was too bad. But I mean, I was definitely soaked after the race. I was wet all around. So, but humidity bothers me more than temperature. It's only only humidity, because it just makes you sweat a little bit more. Yeah, the only thing I was thinking at the 400 lap mark, and then obviously at the end of the race was either point was where the tires about to fall off, where we were going to see maybe you battle Joey more, but we really never really happened. Yeah, we had you were at 400 was where you were at 450. That's right. It's just it never, you know, it would split up the run make, you know, if it was only 400, it just you would split the run up to where it would have been less, you'd had to go on less on tires, you know, 25 laps, obviously, less per run, which would have been even more, you know, less fall off, which you don't want. So, yeah, I don't know. I thought it was fine for a turn for a points race. Do I think that it should be? I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm for a race at Northworksboro. How about that? That's that's where I'll stand on it. I'm for a race at Northworksboro. From inside the car, where would you, how would you grade this race? It's interesting because it's a racing track, you know, but it reminds me a lot of like Bristol, in the sense of when they change Bristol from its one groove track and then they, they reconcreated it, put variable banking, they ground it. And actually, no, we were racing all around Bristol from the bottom to the top. And it was from a, I can tell you from a competitor standpoint, we were like, this is freaking awesome. You can, every lane runs the same speed. So if you're faster, you just go to a different lane. And the fans hated it. That's why they ended up grinding the very top of the racetrack, because they wanted to get us off the top. Well, unfortunately, grinding it all did was create a smoother surface, which then made the top the most dominant part of the racetrack at Bristol. So I, I feel like it's sort of like this, where the drivers probably like it, because you got some options. But do the fans like it, because it allows us to get away from each other and not running to each other. So that make any sense, like, there's a little bit less contact, just simply because you got so much more room to move around. But if you narrowed up that racetrack, passing would be extremely difficult, extremely. Right. Yeah, I, I feel like you guys being spread out and being able to run different lines made it a little, a little more engaging. Yeah, then maybe what would it be? And if you, you know, wherever your favorite driver was, if you were watching from the grandstands, more likely he was in a battle at all times with someone, right, that the track is just small enough to, to be where there's, there's action all the time, you just got to go find it. Yeah. But if you're watching on TV, there's a good chance you're not even seeing your driver. Really? Like, once those cars, once you know, Reddit goes to a restaurant or whatever, Larsen, like, if I'm a Larsen, a Reddit fan, like, you're like, all right, well, this race over, there's something else to do. Like, I just don't know if you're a fan watching on TV. I could be wrong, but I don't know if, but how does that down there? Not everyone can be in contention, though. Yeah, how does that differ from any other race? If Larsen goes two laps down at Indy, he's, but I don't think you have his, there was, I one point six people on the lead lap. Yeah, you don't typically have that. The last time that happened was Bristol in 2020. Blowouts happen. Blowouts happen. You know, it's just, it's just, it's just, I watched your Hornets game one time. They were down like 47 and a half time. I knew I, you know, I did, I didn't, I watched a second half, but it was only to see, could my live bed of plus 52 win? 71% on the good race pole right now. Yes, that's probably fair. That's probably fair. And for actually for a short track, I don't think that's horrible. I thought it was going to be in the mid to high 60. So I thought it was going to be 68. I thought it was going to be 68. So we'll see where it nets out. Todd Gilland advances in the bracket challenge to the final. The Godfather, the Godfather, and breaking news, breaking news, we have two and outs. We can announce it. After he wins his million, this week, right? No, this weekend. Yes, no, it's the off weekend. But we can pull back the curtain. We're going to be pre-taping with them on Monday. So we can come in and celebrate. Okay. We're going to have the Godfather Todd Gilland in Connor's illicit still in actions detrimental on your week off. So you will have an actions detrimental on the week off. There will be plenty of content out there. And I would tune in for those two, because I'm sure it will be very entertaining. First ever Jared, are you in this? Yeah, what should we talk about? Okay, dirty mode. Can we please get a third microphone? No, we are. No, we're going to have a third mic. I'll have a fourth mic over here. Jared will be in the middle like normal. Yeah, so what should you talk about? Yeah, I don't know. I just think you just it's an off week. You let it rip. Have a few cocktails on the table? Well, Connor can't drink. Oh, that's right. We can get him some mocktails. Yeah. - I think fans can submit questions. - Yeah, submit questions for those guys. - Where do they submit questions? - Tweet 'em at me, Denny's DM's Jared, you can get there, we'll just send 'em wherever, however. - What if they don't know what you're, do you think that we have listeners that don't, or do that know you're, or don't know you're? - They probably do because they haven't muted. (laughing) That Travis Rockle. - Yeah, Travis Rockle, okay. I thought it was T-Rock. - Whoa, T-Rockles the Instagram. - There's a Twitter account out here. Travis Rockle's face. - Yeah, that was created after the Cottonboy thing. - Oh, his sad face. - Wow, they have your Mount Rushmore. - That's incredible. - But yeah, it'll be fun. - First ever guest host. - First ever. - Yeah. - That's exciting. I'll be listening in. I will be. - But yeah, he'll be going up against Blaney. Todd has last two races at Brickyard, six and six. - I wish Todd nothing but the best. - We're rooting for Todd. - Is anybody outside of, - We're on the Todd train on this one. - Is anybody outside of Penske and Blaney fans rooting for him? - Yeah, America's rooting for Todd. - You would think so. Everyone loves a good underdog. - Yeah. - And he's certainly going to be the underdog. Man, those are some solid indie stats he's got. So it could be interesting. So how do we feel about, by the way, I'm officially off the Rolls-Chastain. - That train is big. - I know. I just, I keep thinking that there's enough there, but there's just not enough there. Not enough time, not enough car. Just not going to make it. McDowell, no. Just, I don't know. I just don't, that's been one of the, about 20th and points, yeah, under performing teams that I've been disappointed with this year. Just not, they've been okay, but it just seems like they should be better than where they're at. Night, so McDowell, I'm going to say no. Kazowski is how far back? You're writing is horrible. It's 58? No. Yeah, 58 back. - The other problem is you're trying to, again, Cyndric will go on, I don't know. - Yeah, that's the thing is you're trying to get pastel gonos Cyndric SVG and Bubba, are you bottom four, right? And SVG has had another good question. - Kazowski, no. - Does anybody move up? Or do we have our field? With the tracks that are left, I'm going to say the field is the field. And that's just all for performance that, if someone goes and blows motor, wrecks, like that changes everything, and that will happen. But yeah, I just think these guys are separating themselves. Cyndric is just, Cyndric, Cyndric, and these guys can't catch them. You know, he's putting himself in the teens, most weeks, and that's good enough. - He's like the golfer just gets parsed. - Just par, par, par. Yeah, he's getting his cars, giving him no doubt. Notable, Ty Dillon, 16th, he must have stayed out. He must have been on the lead lap when that caution came out. - Cody, where? - And then par laid it into a good finish. Yeah, well, yeah, Cody, where was part of that? So, where'd he end up finishing? Cody. - I know he went in the last 20 years. - Laps down, but that was a reset point for the whole field as we talked about. Just if you didn't get caught by that caution, it, you improved your day from likely where it was going to be. - 29th for Cody. - Oh, he fell hard. - What about at the top of the standings? - What about it? - Tyler Eddick. They just can't catch a break. Been a bad run. I mean, it's, and a lot of it is true bad luck. You know, it really is. It's, you know, there's no way you can plan it. That could happen as easily to me. Someone just dart across the racetrack. And, but I will say, I don't think they were very good anyway. - Yeah, they were those in spots. - Performance wise, they still were not, where you would think that they should be. So I still think that they had a, you know, they weren't going to finish where they finished, which is horrible. But they, you know, they easily probably lost, you know, I don't know, 20 spots worse than what they probably were going to finish. So, what do we 68 above them? - Yeah. - 84 Blaney. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't mind going to Daytona with that. (laughing) - That'd be a fun Daytona. - Just ride the back and frickin' do whatever you want. - You'd be listening to trophy before the race started. - Is there even a trophy? - Yes, there's a trophy. - I don't think there is. - What do you mean there's no trophy? - I have photographed the trophy the last three years. - But they changed it. - What? - Yeah, they don't want me to be a champion. They don't want it. - What do you mean they got rid of the regular season trophy? - I am pretty sure, Jared, as part of the press release of the new chase, the regular season is gone and the playoffs is gone. So, there is no regular season champion. - That's the silliest thing, that's incredible. - It's perfect. - If the one time you were in the regular season, that's perfect. - Oh man. - Well, it's like a good trophy, too. - No doubt. I've touched it before as an owner. Well, I gotta do some quick research on this. - Yeah, they, no, they denied. I don't know, 68, it's still, if we could just keep our, this moment I'm going, we don't have bad luck then I think it'll be hard for the field to get there. But I, you know, you just never know what wrecking, you can get caught up in. And so as a driver, I tell you that we do not, we don't think anything is comfortable until it's out of reach with one to go. - Jared, here's Kelly Crandell tweeted this. As we get down to the end of the regular season, a reminder for those like me who are struggling to break the, from the vernacular of using regular season champion, that is simply the top chase seed with the reset. Top chase seed, Jared, that's what my title will be. - There's no trophy though. That's what it sounds like 'cause he's, there's no regular season championship. - Right. - You get like a certificate. - It's, it's just perfect. - It's absolutely perfect. - This was the one thing that 2311 had to give in the lawsuit was, you have to give up the regular season championship. - Well, there you have it. Anyway, it's still TB2B decided. Speaking of Daytona, change is coming. - There's some changes coming to the new Super Speedway Daytona Tal Daga racing. It's not really, you know, be careful. This is not a fix for fuel mileage. Fuel mileage, fuel mileage will be a thing at Indy, by the way. This is more to how can we address the fact that Atlanta seems to put on a great show. The fans love Atlanta, but they hate it when we're three and four wide at Daytona and Tal Daga and nobody can go anywhere. This is to hopefully change that. So it's taking down force off of the car. It's taking drag away from the car. Hallelujah. The drag is what's been killing this next-gen car at Super Speedways and what it hopes to do is allow someone to, if you remember a couple of years ago, Cowboys shot a make a move to the lead. He went three wide to the top at Tal Daga. I think he went straight to the back. Like it was like, you pull out a line and it's just an instant, you're hitting the parachute at the start, at the finish line of a dragster. It slows your car down that much and the idea behind this change is that once a car pulls out of line, the car doesn't slow at the same rate of speed that it did before. So hopefully what it'll allow you to do is get up there, get a run and perhaps because now we have less down force, maybe there's a gap in front of that car. You can get back in line. So do I think it's gonna be like an oh my gosh, huge fix? I do not. I definitely believe that this is in the right direction. NASCAR only has so many levers that they can pull. in the interim and, you know, what you really got to applaud from NASCAR, Steve O'Donnell. His leadership is that he's not spending a lot of time making sure the science is all correct before we go try it. He's a. try it. Like, we're gonna find out in the field and I believe, honestly, that's the best way to run a company is to, you know, don't wait around for perfection because that's not happening. Get it out of the field, then get that information, make adjustments the next time. And so, you know, hopefully maybe this is a step that they're like, we need to go further in this direction to get some feedback from the drivers to hear what they have to say. But I like it. From all the numbers that I've seen, we're gonna be running a little bit faster in qualifying by ourselves a couple miles an hour, which is good. But to me, it's the fact that it should allow you to be more aggressive in getting your track position back. You shouldn't be locked into a row you can't get out of. And hopefully that puts on better racing for the fans. It should be more exciting for a longer period of time. I'll be interested to see if drivers are more willing to pull out knowing that I can go. And then also other drivers know, oh, there's a good chance we can go all pull out then too and go with it. That's right. But you're also not gonna know until they drop the green fly. Right. Right. Who's gonna be the first car that tries it? Ricky Stathouse. Ricky Stathouse. Yeah. We won't know. We don't have any practice schedule for there, which is, it's okay. I mean, these are not levels that we haven't seen before. It's not like the cars are going to just, you know, start spinning out when we get term on it. They're still going to have lots of grip. They're still going to have lots of drag. It's just, again, a very small change to see, just see what happens. Even if you did have practice, you're not really going to get your results right because someone's going to practice the way you're going to race. Exactly right. Yeah, you're not going to get enough cars willing to go in a pack and put their car at risk before the actual race. So yeah, you will not, it, it sounds good that, oh, they, they really need to practice. But I can tell you, 2311, I would say, do not get in a pack and Joe Gibbs Racing would say, do not get in a pack. We feel confident that, you know, this is not going to be something that's going to be undrivable. Yeah, you could check travels and stuff like that, but, you know, practice would be definitely overrated in more for TV, which, you know, I'm okay with if they decide to do that. Speaking of changes, more practice time coming, starting that new Hampshire, all groups will just be in one big, single, 50 minute, 50 minute group, all cars on track. Yeah, so this is designed to be a little bit more of a level playing field for everyone to be on the same track during practice. I think some of the gripes is that, in depending on which, which racetrack you're at, a certain group would be faster or slower than the other. And so the conditions wouldn't always be the same. And I know they bounced around a few ideas of, do we do all cars, 25 minutes break, 25 minutes, or do we do just 50 minutes straight? And I thought the best decision was 50 minutes straight, because when you get into a 25, break, 25, everyone's going to be out there at one time, and it's going to be a complete [bleep] for the most part to try to get a good read on your car, because it's going to be so packed at all times, and everyone's going to be on different tires. This is going to be better to where the track's going to get, you know, there'll be some cars on pit lane making adjustments, other cars out there doing long runs. So this was the, you know, the fairest way to do practice and give everyone an extra set of tires as well. So I would like, you know, the only tweak is that I'd like to see them say, you know what, it's your option to use that second set. If you want to use them, go ahead. But you have the option to carry that extra set of tires into the race. That way, you don't want to run two sets, you don't have to run two sets. So maybe some qualifying runs get done at the end of practices now, just never know. Who does this benefit the most? Well, it depends on the track. I told you it, some tracks you want to be in the first group. Not a whole lot of them, but then, you know, the track is the most rubbered up typically and like it is in race conditions by the second group. So probably helps the guys in the back that are typically in group one more often than not. But does this allow a JGR and HMS to now have more data and get their engineers going to more work? So it's like, yeah, the younger drivers in the back are getting more lap time. But now you're letting the engineers that have the bigger teams get more information. Yeah. So, under this current 25 minute group practice, you guys are, you're heading out immediately. You're using almost all 25 minutes on the track in a 50 minute session. Are you spending more time on the track or are you spending just about the same time on the track? I would estimate about the same. I really would. I don't think it's going to be dramatically different than what we had. Maybe a few more laps, but, you know, again, these engines, they only want a certain amount of laps on like, you just can't go out there and run 50 minutes straight. It's just, it'd be a little bit too much. So it really just levels the field a little bit from this group. Yep. Group activity we currently got. What else we got? How was your fishing thing that the fishing expo, expo? It was fun. It was fun. When down the ice, I cast in Orlando had a lot of fun with that. There was also a teenager dance competition, so dance moms everywhere, like I didn't see a husband or a father in sight and I mean, giant expo. And it was like, I mean, just everyone, it looked just like dance moms. My kids watched dance moms and it looked just like it, you know, everyone practicing their routine outside, you know, whatever ball room they're in and so that was entertaining. And but you had to walk through it to get to eye cast. So there's a bunch of fishing people all walking through the dancing expo thing. So. So did you buy anything? Did you get that one back? No, it was, it was vendors only, so it's more B2B, you know, here's our new product and the rep from Bass Pro Shops, you know, whatever. So it's more everyone showcasing their products than anything else, but it was awesome for me. I mean, I'm walking, all right, we have to walk down to every aisle. We have to map it. Make sure we turn down here. We didn't walk down the south. So we, I mean, I made sure that kept Austin and Charlie very, very on track. So speaking of Austin hotel, he drove us to the wrong hotel, I, you know, the guy hasn't traveled to a racetrack all year. Yeah. He was in mid season form, which is driving us to the wrong race, wrong hotel in the middle of Orlando International where it was dead stop traffic. And I'm like, why are we in the arrivals lane, Austin? Why are we in the hotel? It's right up here. I'm like, I don't think so. We're about to go in the arrivals and departures. What are we doing? And yeah, he, he entered the wrong high. You're fine. I tell you, he, it's, it's like he never left. Um, no, that's all I got from this weekend. Did you, did you buy, is that backpack a new item? No, it was more just for, what's the point of going if you can't buy anything? Well, it's stuff that may be on shelves, right? Eventually. Yeah, it's like these are the new releases. So then you go to their websites and then you buy it. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's a showcase. It's a showcase. Got you. Yeah. All right. Well, um, Indie next man, this is, we know this one on one bad, gosh, it's such a hard one to win though, fricking with all the strategy and flipping stages and got to qualify well or qualify him right in the middle of the day, one thirty to two thirty. We're probably going to be towards the back of the pack. No, night race, though, note all. You know what, that's, to me, that is why that is my argument for shorter, if, if it's Sunday night, I mean, I'm leaving the racetrack. Right? And it is 11, 15, 11, 30 and I'm like seeing all these people in the parking lot leaving and we staged our car out in like normal parking lot. I'm like, do these people not have to work tomorrow? Like, holy moly, that's my argument for shorter. Is that if you're going to run Sunday night, let's, let's get this thing done in a reasonable hour, but that's fair, you know? Overall I felt the experience is good. It seemed like the fan had a great time, they were wildly enthusiastic, very happy to have us back. Race track was great, the track was great, lighting was great. It definitely makes you feel like you're back in 1980. It doesn't feel like anything's different, you know, other than some pain on the walls, so they did a great job redoing it. And so real quick, back to Indy, you're obviously had a very fast car there last year. And expectation B, which one, the one I crashed in qualifying, or the race track. Both were good, but the one you crashed in qualifying, the one I crashed in qualifying was an absolute rocket. And I was, I was so in the green to the good to get the pole and it wasn't even close. And I just was like, so full myself, I'm thinking, I'm just going to hammer through this corner. And yeah, it just got, I wish I could have that one back, because then we had to start in the back and then took the backup car and finished third or second, second or third. Yeah. So I think third should Travis's expectations this weekend be similar, my expectations are to win. If we're not turning right, I expect to win. Yeah, we, we, we're optimistic, yeah, I think that we should be strong. I think, I think we should be strong. No doubt. But I mean, again, this is not a race track where you, if you go back to 10th, inside the last fuel window, it's over. I want to warn the dinning bros on the chat of that. If there's no more pit stops and we're 10, we're playing checkers. That's perfect. You hear that, Austin? That's perfect. We're done here. Review review from Rhino's race room 66, Denny may, maybe should, Denny should maybe, maybe should be a competition director for NASCAR in the future, please. We just talked about this. That's not a responsibility I'd like to have because the fans are, they are tough on NASCAR rules and regulations and co-purn heat. He has some shit, say, not the next gen car. Now I'm out on that, but thank you for the, uh, nice combination. Yes. Okay. Now we can end it. All right. See you. Check out dirtymo media on Instagram, Facebook, X and TikTok. [BLANK_AUDIO]