Why Elite Athletes and Autistic Kids Need the Same Nervous System Work: With Jay Schroeder

Speaker 1 Isn't that what we're really talking about? That's how we want to regulate ourselves as human beings, so that we can not only be productive in society, but to grow ourselves and become whatever it is we're going to do with the miraculous level that we were born to do it at. Speaker 2 Hello everyone, and welcome to the Players Connection, connecting parents of autistic children with industry experts. Each week we navigate the world of autism together, bringing you real conversations from specialists who truly get it. The journey is challenging, but you don't have to walk it alone. So settle in, get cozy, let's connect and do some good. I am your host Brad Broyles, and I'm here with my force absorber Nathan Palmer. Speaker 3 Force absorber now Brad that could either be a really cool Star Wars reference which maybe we should do sometime if you try to show or more likely it has to do with a physical fitness expert that honestly I can't even believe is with us today so I'm going to go with the ladder unless you're going to really surprise my day with Star Wars we're. Speaker 2 Going to go with the ladder. Speaker 1 Cupcakes. Speaker 2 Today we have a very special guest, world renowned at athletic coach, trainer, philanthropist. Sorry, I just can't say that right. Mr. J Schroeder, thank you so much for being here. I'm part of the Polaris connection. Speaker 4 Yeah, thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure to help people get an understanding of things that help them grow in their life. Speaker 2 Well, thank you. Well, Jay, we've known each other for a while. This is an episode I've been looking forward to for a long, long time. I, I told you every time we talk, I feel like we should have a microphone because everything you say is super valuable. I wish the world would hear the the love that you have for not only athletes, but it's in particular your love for special needs is incredible. So Jay, if you wouldn't mind, just kind of share a little bit of your background and and what you do. Speaker 4 Well, my background is extremely diverse. I've worked with psych patients. Dion Beret, RSDSMS Olympic gold medalist, most valuable players in the NHL, Major League Baseball Cy Young winners, Super Bowl champions, NFL players that will be in the Hall of Fame if they're not already in the Hall of Fame, and maybe everything in between. I worked for Lutheran Healthcare on Network a long time ago and I was the community education person is how they termed it. Well, it ended up being where I became speaker, national speaker on exercise and diabetes for them. I worked with Doctor Pennimanini who created the insulin pump or at least in this area who was making that work, created training programs for his clients. We then got into grossly obese individuals because at the time this was what in 198081 people were very overweight and we worked with those that were 200 plus pounds overweight and I created protocols for them. And you know, like I said, everything that you could imagine, I, I've worked with and my experience is that we're all the same. No matter what label they want to put on us and no matter what restrictions they want to believe we have, we all have them. We're humans, we're flawed, but on the other hand, we're freaking miracles by birth. And we have the ability to overcome everything and anything. And it's all inside us. It's it's there already. Speaker 1 For some reason we look to the outside because we don't have enough belief in our own humanity to believe that we truly are a miracle by birth. That's how I approach everything. So nothing to me is a limitation. Nothing to me is a problem. All I have to do is try and figure out the key to allow the communication to be understood by your brain in a manner that'll respond appropriately. Speaker 3 Well, and and to say, you know, miracle worker is is you know, you, you you kind of implied miracles in that that we're all living miracles, but your unique ability, Jay is to really extract those miracles and others. And it look, I don't want to discount his background. Brad, am I? Do I understand correctly that Jay is the only non employee of a Major League Baseball organization to be awarded a national like a World Series ring for his contributions? Speaker 2 Didn't have incredible. I mean, and that's the thing like sometimes it's like your your bio Jay will go pages and pages. You know of all the accomplishments that you have worked and that you have done, but that is incredible. Speaker 3 Yeah. And and I think it speaks volumes to just people recognizing what you bring to the table. And our hope is we can share some of the magic of what that is. And Brad, I'd love you to get into his back story because I think his story comes from him solving a problem for himself. Speaker 2 Correct. And and if you don't mind Jay, I want to share that and and one and before we do this again, folks, I just want Jay to talk because the more you have him speak, the more you love the man you really do. And I love how you start off that we are all miracles by birth. Too many times we look at these special needs children were like, Oh well, you have a deficiency, you have limitations. But Jay doesn't talk that way. He talks that same way. No matter who you are, where you are, you are a miracle by birth and we are here to help you unlock further keys to for your development, which I love. Speaker 4 And everything we have is a gift. Speaker 2 Yes, Sir. Speaker 4 Doesn't matter if others see it as a deficit, it's a true gift. Speaker 2 And you can see by all the great athletes that he's worked with throughout throughout your your professional career. Jay, if you wouldn't mind, I'd like to go in your back story. And around 1981, you suffered a desert a, a horrible motorcycle accident personally, that had some big severe injuries. But then because of that, it propelled you to a different way of thinking or, you know, kind of kind of pushed you in the direction where you are today. Can you tell us a little bit about that story and how it shifted your mind to where you are today? Speaker 4 I when I was young, all I wanted to do was play in the NFLI, thought that was the ultimate thing. And I really didn't care about much else. You know, I was, I was always good in school without even having to open a book or try. And you know, I was in college and on my way home. I was for spring break. I was riding my motorcycle. It was very early in the morning and I got run over from behind. I was 200 and. Speaker 1 I. Speaker 4 Don't know, 2530 five 40 lbs and I had a Honda CB360 it would only go like 64 miles an hour with me on it. It reached like 60.5 right? Speaker 1 It. Speaker 4 Couldn't get out of its own way, literally. And there I saw no traffic and then all of a sudden there were lights behind me and they got closer and closer and closer. Next thing I know, I was run over an embankment and it was well over 50 years ago and people didn't understand what was going on. I had no clue. Doctors had no clue, you know, I had burns, which they, you know, took care of and a concussion diagnosed. So they wouldn't let me fly home. So and I I couldn't remember my name. I didn't know where I lived. And then over a short period of time, I started to say, I think I live in Arizona and still talking with the individuals there, I, I remembered my last name. So they contacted the last name in Arizona. They found my dad and my dad and my girlfriend's dad were going to drive down and pick me up. And I said no, I'll take the bus. And so I took the bus and I got home because they wouldn't let me fly with the concussion. So I got home and little by little I started losing feeling in many different places at random, some all at once and. Speaker 1 This went on. Speaker 4 Ultimately like this, for a year and a half, there were times where I'd be 3 or 4 days and I couldn't move from chest down. And then there were times where I could move and then I an hour later I might not be able to use my arms and I actually lost sight in my right eye twice during this time. And again, ultimately, they had no idea they were treating me because I broke vertebrae in my back and in my neck. What I learned afterwards, because I didn't know anything about this and at that time, is that they weren't threatening to. Speaker 1 For. Speaker 4 Paralysis for the rest of my life, they weren't anywhere near that level of the brakes in order to do that. But that's what I had assumed because that's all I knew. And it turns out that the injuries were brain injuries. So you know what they call today? TBI, right? And you know, I, I got through that year and a half, I. Speaker 1 I learned how. Speaker 4 To get feeling by creating pain, I had this little roller that they used in in therapy with the little prongs on it and I would put it on the back of my neck and my head and I'd roll it and push it as hard as I could to try and create pain. Speaker 1 Somewhere in my. Speaker 4 Body. Well, eventually I was able to create pain. Speaker 1 In my foot or my? Speaker 4 Knee. Speaker 1 Or my butt or whatever it may be. Then I knew that if I could create pain, I could eliminate that pain. So I started to eliminate it and started to move it around. And that was the genesis of how I write. Speaker 4 Programs today. You know, Brad, you know, you've seen me. I still have some real limitations as I've gotten older. You know, I'm 71 now. I raced motorcycles, land speed racing and I I think I was 51 or 52. Speaker 1 Let's see what's. Speaker 4 Into that, no. I would have been like 56 or 57 and I was running at an event in New Mexico and I lost feeling in my leg. I lost feeling in my clutch hand and then I lost feeling in my brake hand. And I didn't tell anyone about it, just said, hey, I think we're done for the weekend. You know, we went fast enough, blah, blah, blah. And I've been dealing and and fighting with that. But that's how I've learned to create all of the protocols I've created, whether they're for your son Rhett, you know, to get him big and strong, you know, to play whatever he wants to play and do whatever he wants to do in life. Speaker 1 But these are the exact same thing that I did because it's just a communication via the nervous system through to the brain. Our nervous system controls every single aspect of what we do and our brain is the general of that. And you know what's that's that's how I got here. Speaker 2 I mean well, and let's talk a little bit about that if you don't mind. So like if we, if we would take that for like an autistic child or autistic family, you train the brain and the nervous systems, but not the not just the muscle, which I think is just fascinating. The How How can you How can like techniques build for elite athletes help someone whose nervous systems feels consistently overwhelmed or hyperactive? Speaker 4 Yeah, well. Speaker 1 First of all. Speaker 4 Everyone needs to realize that that's what an athlete is, a good athlete. Speaker 1 Is exactly what you described neurodivergent, right? Put put a cool name on it. Singularly focused extreme anxiety. If you don't achieve whatever it is you're trying to achieve at that moment, if the performance isn't exactly what you want, it's it's exactly the same thing. You see, I don't train football, baseball, basketball, soccer, hockey players to get strong, to get fit, to get fast, to get powerful. You know, I've trained ultra endurance athletes that have records that probably will never be broken. We all train. They train exactly the same as a football player or a hockey player. It isn't training to achieve a result, it's training to allow your brain to understand the reasons you can't do what you can't do. So we provide information to the brain and allow the brain to recognize this is wrong. How am I going to fix this? If it gets that information enough times or in multiple different ways or many different ways, it'll start to say, I wonder what I can do to change to make this more efficient for myself. You. Speaker 3 Know that's really interesting, Jay, because we, we've gotten into neuroscience quite a bit here on the connection. And a lot of that neuros, your nervous system is driven by ideas of safety and protection. And you know, I, I, I will be the first to tell you that going to the gym is not always my idea of a good time. And my, my brain tells me you're not going to enjoy this. And I've had knee issues over the years and other, you know, joint issues where it's just not something that is a dopamine hit per SE. Like I know it's good for me. I know I should do it. So there's, you know, that mental area where you push yourself stuff through. But what you're talking about is priming the brain and the nervous system for growth and development, which is like teaching them how to approach exercise and development, which is a neat way to think about it rather than just say, hey, kids, go run your laps, do your push ups, you know, And so they do it begrudgingly. They have these negative experiences we're not talking about, are you feeling safe with that? Is there pain associated? And we're just going over the rope mechanics to do XY and Z because you should. And you're taking one step back and going, let's train your body to know how to have positive experiences to connect with it. So that you're you're actually priming at, like you said, you just general the brain to want to do it, to adapt for it, to look at the positive benefits and to pursue it, which is awesome. Speaker 1 Yeah, you, you said a couple. Speaker 4 Really important things, first of all. Speaker 1 We don't want to care for people. We want to help them understand how to care for themselves. And that's what preparing the brain to understand. You know, I like to look at, we'll see neurodivergent, it's a real big word, right? But I like to look at it as allostatic and homeostatic, OK? You know, neurodivergency is when the individual acts in a way that isn't in accord with the expectations of the social norm. Well, how ridiculous is that? None of us do that. I mean, we're all limited in this way, but if we simply learn how to communicate or create the avenues for clear, concise information that the brain can truly understand, then it can make appropriate decisions. Now, will it always make the right one? No. But we prepare for the brain to understand when it's the wrong decision, when it's the feedback that's completely inappropriate, and then it can make the change again. We don't try and force anything. Strength, speed and endurance. We don't force anything. The way to think about, the way to approach, the way to relax, we let the brain make the decision to do that. In that respect, all of the support necessary for whatever that decision or decisions are is in place where if we force it upon someone, we don't have those support mechanisms already there. So it may happen one time, two time that we get quote appropriate responses, but we can never replicate it. Speaker 4 The goal is to. Speaker 1 Replicate it at any moment, anytime, any day, anywhere in life. Speaker 2 So Jay, you make it sound simple to me, like do you feel like to prepare the brain? How what would that look like of a way that you would say, OK, we're going to prepare the brain to receive this information and then make that type of adjustment. Can you give us an example of what that would look like when you're working with an athlete working with a child? Speaker 4 Yeah, the the first step is to prepare the nervous system to be plastic, dynamic, viral, excitable, to be able to carry the information in a manner that travels to the brain fast enough that it gets there before the next step is there, before it's supposed to take place. A So it has to travel quite quickly. And there's things like, you know, nodes of rain veer and stuff that can accelerate. Speaker 1 This information, it goes along the nerve and then it jumps and it accelerates its speed and it jumps again. Well, if we. Speaker 4 Prepare the nervous system through just basic things that that I do what? Speaker 1 I call ISO. Speaker 4 Extreme or or rebounds or extreme slows. They're just little names. Speaker 1 To put on things could. Speaker 3 You actually describe some of those because I so listen, I'm I'm a fan, Jay, and I'm listening as an observer and in theory I'm going, this sounds really cool and you talk about some of these techniques, but I don't know what they are. And I have to imagine we have parents that are just wondering, what does that look like? Like translate the lingo. What is an ISO hold? What is, you know, that LinkedIn state play? What what are these things that like? What does that look like versus just the standard push up or set up? Speaker 1 OK, first of all let me explain that. Then in the name ISO Extreme, there is no ISO involved. I put that on there to mess with people who didn't want to think about what we were doing OK, and just make up something of their own. So I put that on there to mess around with people. There is no ISO in ISO Extreme. ISO's will only strengthen the exact point that you're at. So extreme extreme slow. How do I begin here? Hold your arms straight in front of you. Speaker 3 OK. Speaker 1 OK, now as slow as you possibly can, take 5 minutes with constant movement to bring your hand to your table. Constant movement. Speaker 2 What do you mean like this? Oh wow. Speaker 1 That's what we're talking about are. Speaker 2 You talking about stream slow get from. Speaker 3 Here to here over 5 minutes. Speaker 1 Or 10 minutes, or three minutes, or 30 seconds, or five seconds, whatever we begin with whatever your nervous system will allow for. OK, now what happens during that extreme slow? Well, thousands and thousands and thousands of bits of information are going to your brain. OK, Does that mean the brain can understand every single one of them? No, But the ones that travel the fastest are the ones that the brain is going to pay attention to. And if it gets bombarded with those enough, it starts to say, oh, I knew exactly what you want me to do. And it provides the direction on how to do that. Now at the same time that strengthens and makes more powerful, more virile, more aggressive, more plastic, more dynamic our nerve system. So we have voluntary, involuntary, I don't think we need to get into. Speaker 4 All of that but. Speaker 3 No, but even that you're talking about instead of these quick repetitions where I'm firing the system for strength or these, you know, multiple reps reps you're holding and you're keeping that constant connect what you're sorry you're moving right you're. Speaker 1 Extremely slow. It's a concentric contraction. I don't use anything eccentric or what they used to call when we were younger. Negative repetitions, we don't do that at all. We don't resist on the way down. We pull ourselves into position because we have muscles that work One Direction and muscles that work the other direction. If the brain gets information from, say, your biceps will curl in your arm that you created a 1 LB of force and 110th of a second and you did it for 10 seconds, it needs to get the same information from your tricep that said it or lengthened. I don't like relax lengthened OK for the same amount of time at the same force at the same moment in time. That's how we get the clear signals. Speaker 3 And so that slow continuous movement, you're keeping the system engaged and working versus, you know, go and hold, I can just turn it off, but go and slowly move. And that that focus creates that communication where it's just this non-stop loop where you have it engaged and active. So you're, it's almost like, if I could say it, it's like, it's like endurance training for your nervous system. Speaker 2 Well, that's and didn't you call that like a primer? Like that's how you prime for your brain. Speaker 1 It and it, it wouldn't be a loop. A loop is when you would just be staying there and it would be the same information over and over. This is different information because as your hand comes down, your body is in a different position. You know, it's spatial awareness, right? With, with people we're talking about, OK, we want to know where we are in space or how can we help them learn where they are in space, space so they can move efficiently, feel confident, be able to do the things they want to do. OK, This is how we do that. The information continually changes as you're moving through that range of motion. So I have what I call ISO extreme, which we know now there's no ISO to, it's an extremely slow movement. Now, that movement would begin at the greatest joint angle. So if we're in a squat, we'll say we're doing a wall squat. You would be down as low as you can go, so your hips are below your knees. And then you would continue to engage the hamstrings and glutes to bring you down closer and closer and closer, closer to the floor. Then we have extreme slow where it begins at the top of the squat. They're exactly the same thing, just moving from a different position. Because we may have an individual who can't understand the information that's being sent to the brain from the top, they can understand it near the bottom or somewhere in the middle. That's why we have ISO extreme and extreme slow so that the each person can get that information in the manner they can understand at that moment. Now that information from that moment will help the brain say based on reflex patterns, reflex arcs. We've we've developed. I can do this from here. I know exactly where my hand is. So now I know exactly what engages. It'll look for information from the muscles opposite of that, the antagonist. Oh my God, how how freaking cool is this? It it works for the three of us and everyone listening and it it works for everyone. Speaker 3 When I have to imagine and Jay, I don't know what research or science you've done on this, but I'm not a. Speaker 1 Researcher. I'm not a scientist. Speaker 3 Perfect, perfect. Then. Then let me then let me just ruminate here for a second because we've done a lot of topics on neuroscience. And the common theme with your nervous system is that it's reactive, that that there's very little control over it typically. And so we have these methods to try to regulate when it gets dysregulated. But you are doing something that is simple as it sounds, you are proactively priming and training the nervous system to have constant contact with the brain. You're blending those two systems together so they have resiliency and synergy. And I have to imagine the net effect of that, even though you're not a scientist, is that the nervous system doesn't trigger is easily, it doesn't shut down as easily because it's got this endurance relationship that you've primed through these types of movements in these structures. Speaker 4 Yeah, you're pretty smart guy. Speaker 1 That's exactly what happens that we don't we don't have to think anymore. And remember, the brain is the general. So what we're talking about in your? Speaker 4 Words priming the nerve roots. You know, we have thousands of miles of nerves, right? And it doesn't always travel the exact same path every single time. And that's part of what the general the brain has to figure out based on that information, how long it took to get there and the information from supportive areas. It makes a decision in thousands of a second. You know how to make the next move. That's why we begin with that, and that's why we're so successful. To me, it's nothing more than taking us back to when we were a newborn. You know, I know, Brad, you've had children and I, I don't know your status on children and how old they are. Speaker 1 Or whatever. But when you're your. Speaker 2 Children are very busy. Speaker 1 When your children are very young, did you teach them how to roll over? Speaker 4 In their crib. Speaker 1 Did you teach them how to raise their head? Did you teach them how to push the the mattress away? And when they were a year or two years old and they were standing and did you teach them how to squat, to pick something up? Did they go to the weight room? Did they have a strength coach? They have a conditioning coach? No, but they could go out there and play, as we well know, hour upon hour upon hour and wear us out. We need a night's sleep to keep up with what they're still doing the same day. So in my eyes, in my brain, I believe that we're taking individuals back to when they were a newborn and living through the reflex patterns that we were born with, growing out of those that we should have grown out of that most adults have not creating new reflex arcs to be able to do the things we need to do, make the decisions on how to move, when to move based on where we are, the situation, based on how to respond to you and I, you know, like me, I getting excited, right? I'm 71, I still get excited about this. And I've been doing this for, you know, well over 50 years and I still get excited about it because that's what my brain interprets when I start talking about these things. It tells me this is go for it. It's important. And that's carries on through the rest of your life. That's how we get over these things. Do do you eliminate brain damage and all these other things? Absolutely not. But there's ways to overcome in it and to have other aspects of the brain or or other ways of communicating to the body to make everything work the way it's supposed to. And I'm not going to sit here and agree and tell you that we should subscribe to a social norm. I do not believe that at all. All of us should be very independent thinkers, react independently. But yes, we do have a set of rules that we have to follow to live amongst our fellow human beings and to respect our fellow human beings. But that's what did develop to this. You know, Brad, I talked to you one time early in my career, in midway through my career, I worked just kids and young kids. And the parents would come to me because little Johnny, little Jane, they were not only doing better in their sports and their activity displays, but their comments were. Little Johnny and Jane are doing better in school. They're a better citizen at home. They're nicer to me and their dad or me and their mom. They take things upon themselves to do that I don't have to ask them to do anymore. Oh my God, guys. And everyone listening. Isn't that what we're really talking about? That's how we want to regulate ourselves as human beings, so that we can not only be productive in society, but to grow ourselves and become whatever it is we're going to do with the miraculous level that we were born to do it at. Sorry I get so excited. Speaker 2 No, no, I love it Jay. And again, that's why I wanted to to talk with you today. Your energy feels my energy and and now I'm ready. I'm ready to run my marathon now. But the, but I, I did have some other more because we talked about it a little bit. Then we went past and I, I kind of want to go back to the nervous system a little bit because you've taught me a lot about working with the nervous system, the ISO extreme. I do want to get to force absorption. I named Nathan the force of Star Wars, right? So this is, it's not a Star Wars thing. It's actually a lift that you're big on. Can you talk a little bit about force absorption? What does that do? Why do you do it? And and what should and how can we do that in our routines? OK. Speaker 4 Well, again, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that I'm the world's greatest expert in exercise and movement or anything. What I'm going to tell you is that what I know, what I know works. Don't really care why it works, but it works and how I got to that point and how I moved from there to me your brain. Speaker 1 Will only allow you to create as much force as you can absorb. Now how do we absorb force? Well, we need to have muscles at length. So think of let's think of a bench press because it's real easy, OK? A lot of people in the world are familiar with bench press. OK, you're pulling it down. So while you're pulling it down, you're pulling it down with your lats, upper back, rhomboid, surrector, supraspinatus, infraspinatus, biceps, yadda yadda. OK, what's happening? At the same time, pectorals, anterior deltoid, triceps, they're all lengthening so that when you get to the bottom, they're ready to create force at a high rate of speed and press the bar to the top. But what do most people do? They control the bar on the way down. They resist. So they're shortening not only the muscles that are supposed to be pulling the bar down, but they're also shortening the muscles that are going to press or move the bar the other direction. It works the same way in a curl on a squat, on a leg curl, on a leg extension, on a vertical jump. It works the same way on everything. When a muscle is at length, it can absorb, therefore create who knows what amount of force. We don't know what humans are truly capable of. We can make guesses. Science can say, well, you can do this and do this, but constantly we prove that wrong over and over with these performances you see around the world with people running and jumping and lifting and it just whatever the movement may be, we, we, we see a new standard, a new standard, a new standard, because the more we learn to control ourselves via the nervous system, the brain. And I don't want to leave out the spine because information, important information comes from the spine to do these things. So again, force absorption is when you catch a falling load or you catch yourself from falling, or it's a load you're pulling down or most people let down. That's, that's force absorption. We want to concern ourselves with creating force, but we have to absorb force first. So the the basic tenants of EVO OK, absorb force, create force, create force quickly, create force quickly. Many times everything I do I so extreme, extreme slow, rebound altitude, manual overspeed, tangos, just little names put on all these different things or different ways to communicate that to each individual. Because we know you guys are really experiencing this in your school. Not everybody can understand the exact same word in the same way we're trying to explain it. Do we have to have a way of communicating it without words that they can understand? How quickly when we get it? Speaker 3 You're hitting on that theme again, even in that right? You're the, that absorption, but lengthen the muscle, meaning you're absorbing without the constriction. So you're at some level your nervous system is triggered because it's got this load and so it's going to go into protection mode. And that's that autonomic nervous system that just reacts. You're priming it to no, let them, let them lengthen, let the muscles go where they can now constrict, which by default lowers the stress load, lowers the anxiety, lowers the automatic response and gives you a better controlled relationship with the nervous system so the body can react. And that I, I know it sounds like it's such a small nuance, but to your point, if it didn't work, I don't think you would have been training with Olympians and, and world class athletes. So, you know, I, I have a question, Jay. And, and like I'm hearing you talk and I think the problem is there's only one Jay Schroeder. So if somebody's listening and they want to go, how do I, how do I access this tool? How do I gain insights into this? Like, because I don't know, Jay, where do we find this? Like how, how does the layperson out there, Jay, even begin to delve into this world of nervous system training that you're talking about? It's not because it's not just physical training, it's a, it's a harmony between both. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 4 You know, there's there. I've been copied a lot because I've had many students over the years. And I just had a student call me the other day that told me that he had to break off with me because my system wasn't good enough for what he needed. But he loved the opportunity to train with me and learn so much, yadda yadda to move on. OK. Speaker 1 People do not understand the process that I go through in order to make the decisions on what to do next. Is what we're talking about here the same thing And having the person make appropriate choices, My brain makes the appropriate choice based on the information. So I watch you move, I watch you stand, I listen if I can't see you and you say, well, I feel this when I'm doing this, I go inside that person and I try and feel those exact same things. And then I create a protocol for them. You know, a lot of times I get things from athletes, Hey, we partied the night before. He's a professional guys, right? Partying the night before. And I got practice and you know, I can't move like this and I'm feeling this and I don't have any energy. I create protocols within 5 to 10 minutes, they're out there and they're practicing as if nothing was going on. And I do this with, without seeing them, I only hear thousands of miles away across the world. I do the same thing. And you're right, nobody does it the way I do it because nobody has Jay's brain. I'm sure the brain damage I sustained was pretty freaking massive to allow me to think in this way, right? Because I never did. I had no clue. I didn't care, didn't matter. And then all of a sudden, one day, I'm putting this thing on my head, I'm putting it on my back, I'm creating pain, I'm moving the pain, and I'm going, holy smoke. OK, so again, you know, it was few days I couldn't move and then one day I may not move my legs, the other day I may not move my arm. Whatever it was, after a year and a half I eliminated that. Why? Because my brain understood when it was coming and it could make the corrections to not allow it. You know, we have a lot of people with ACL surgeries or knee problems and they they limp. So I created a no limb protocol. I told the brain that the other side of the body was limping and it recognized it and said, well, it can't limp, I can't do this. And then it picked up on the information from the side that you were limping on that was repaired and stopped the limping. That's that's what we're talking about. How do you get in touch with me? Well, you can reach me [email protected]. Speaker 2 Yeah, we'll put your contact information out, Jay, so that I don't, I don't. Speaker 1 Actively pursue business anymore guys, I'm, I'm somewhat retired. I, you know, I, I worked seven days a week during, for 25, actually for 28 years I worked Monday through Saturday from 3:30 in the morning till 8:30 at night. Sunday, collegiate athletes would come in and I'd work from around 10 until 3:00. Well, that's not very good for a home life or anything else. OK, I missed out on. I don't even know how much I've missed out on because I wasn't there and I'm trying to make up for that now. It's 71, you know you can't ever make it up, but at least you can try and enjoy it. But the basics are, if you understand I so extreme. I've done many podcasts and explaining I so extreme and you know people don't do it like I do. They give up before the really cool things can happen. There's some things that happen. So very cool when we're doing an ISO extreme. I'll give you and all the listeners an example. When you reach 3 minutes or there abouts a little over, a little under for some people, something miraculous happens. OK, you've given up on your own humanity and you've let something greater take over and all of a sudden you can maintain pulling into position for longer. You've bypassed the point where we're limited by our own humanity because we don't understand what our true maximum is. That's why ISO extremes in reality, guys, we don't need anything more than ISO extreme. So if I was to teach you ISO extreme, you know, and you know, we could do a podcast where we put somebody on there and, and teach ISO extreme. So you could have that for for your listeners when they ask, you know, I no end of what you could do. Brad, you guys? Speaker 2 You're the we might bring, we will probably follow up on that, Jay, because that's, that's, it's fascinating. It's what our audience needs. It's what our students need kind of on that point. And this keeps coming up in my, in my mind, Jay and I just, I feel like I'd love to address it if it's OK. You also talked about resetting the nervous system. You taught me something a long time ago that I, I always use, I use it for our football players. I use it in my own life and it resets the nervous system to, I guess, you know, either reset the brain. I'm not sure exactly what it does, but I know that I always feel better after I do it. And it's that that breathe in that technique that you like the IT like, you know, through your nose twice and then you go out slow, like 30 seconds. Speaker 1 Yeah, there there's a lot of ways to do that. Remember whole body shutters explain that. We talked about that in the weight room one day. You know, there's many ways and you're talking about the vagal nerve and resetting the vagal nerve. OK, Obviously it's, it's important in the group we're talking about, as well as the athletes and stuff, to have a vagal nerve that's efficient and doesn't exhibit any flaws, doesn't fluctuate in its performance. And there's many ways to reset that vagal nerve. You can hold your tongue against the roof of your mouth for 30 seconds. You can hum with your hands over your ears. That vibration, your hands over your ears, it's amplified when your hands are over the ears, can reset the vagal nerve that way. You can take your little finger, stick it over the top of your ear into your first fold, slide it forward into the groove and push. That'll reset the vagal nerve. OK, on the right side. Speaker 3 You know, Jay, I can't help it sit here. I can't help it sit here and think. You're talking about physical movements that reset the nervous system. In the autism world, we call that stemming and society says that's weird because a kids flapping his hands or he's giving himself a hug or he's jumping in circles. And we, we look at these as oddities that we're trying to get rid of. And I think what you're describing is maybe they're on to something and we need to catch up because, because every, because what's happening is they're getting dysregulated and they've learned these physical ways to cope. And our instinct is we need to stop that. That's inappropriate behavior. But what you're expressing is no, we need to join them. And here's ways to do that. And that's actually having a positive neurological impact. It makes me rethink how we approach autism training right, because it's it's that that neuroscience you're saying, no, this is healthy. And every action you just did, I swear I've seen a kid on the spectrum do in some form. And you're right, it's they're not just doing it because they're making up some odd movement. The body is driving something the. Speaker 1 Brain said Inherently, I think this is what we need to do. It's making a guess. How cool man, you're exactly right. That's. Speaker 2 Awesome. Speaker 1 It's a way we need to approach it in everything we do with with these kids or the athletes or whomever, the adults. I mean, I have a 32 year old autistic male up in Canada and I never met him. I talked to his mother while they were in the Mesa visiting, but they couldn't come over to the school while I was there, so all I did was visit with them. She gave me basic information and based on that information, I said, well, how many seizures does he have? And she said, oh, he has, you know, a seizure every other day, sometimes multiple, sometimes maybe not for a week, but they're they get pretty bad. I said, yeah, based on the information you gave me, it's coming from the frontal lobe. So I gave the person, the person she trains with in Canada is someone that I've trained. Speaker 4 I don't know. Speaker 1 30 some years we're best friends in the training world and they go into his facility. I gave him one protocol. Well, now this individual is starting conversation, joining conversation training has only only has seizures maybe once every 3-4 weeks and they're very minor. They're engaging with every single person that comes in the gym in a way that is society will approve how cool 11 protocol. They've been using it for, I don't know, 3 1/2 four months. It just got there. That individual's brain started to now process the information because it made sense of it and correct other things or apply it to other things that's happening. And that's really what we're talking about. It really is simple. I'm I'm no smarter than anyone else in this world. I've had experience that forced me to have to maybe think and consider things, but I'm far from the smartest. But I do know what I know. I've mastered what I know, and that's why it works. And I don't care why it works. I just want to help people help themselves so they live to be the miracle they were born to be. Speaker 2 Well, very well said, Jay. And, and on that note, I think we're going to have to wrap up for for this episode, but we'd love to have you back. I love that, Nate, that everybody's a miracle, you know, 100%. I love that. I just, you're, you're Jay, you just, you give us a lot of hope. I love it. Speaker 1 Well, Mr. Force Absorption, it was a pleasure to meet you. It's one of the most important things you can do is absorb force. Yes. Speaker 3 Yeah, and you, you know what, I'm going to give myself a nod because those that are Star Wars fans out there that, you know, the Jedi training, that mindfulness and being aware of the energy and stuff around you that really isn't far off from what you've talked about, Jay. You're talking about tapping into to an inside power, a force within yourself that allows greater alignment that once you do that can allow you to accomplish amazing things. So Brad, I'm going to still back this Star Wars thing and say that's exactly what we talked about today. 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