Why America MUST Win The Race To Space | Unsubscribe Podcast Ep 240

How many times now have you been to space? Twice. How much is the new world order paying you to lie about going to space twice? Is there your next move? Can you do Jurassic Park? Yeah, I have the Jets. It's your Jurassic Park. Most people generally agree it is rather unsettling because everything you're looking at is trying to kill you. The Goldie Lockdown you'll have. Oh, Earth. This won't f***er watch two documentaries and is trying to gaslight us. You're just trying to impress the wizard. No, this is fucking f***ing lovin' this s***. Hey, what is up, everyone. I just wanted to do a quick stop and be like, "Hey, thank you guys so freaking much." Veterans month is coming to a close after next week, so we're gonna just go all out to raise as much money to donate. We're adding one more thing. A hundred percent of the profits will be going towards those non-prongfits. We're selling the tour poster and a hundred percent of these and this will be going towards those amazing charities. 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Senator Tim Shehi. I'm gonna fuck this up. It's Shehi like the pronoun. I was, I was a Heishi way before it was cool to be bold. Me. Yeah. You're fired. Did you get to the intro? You screwed up in the intro, man. This guy's a professional. Tell him it. All right. Mr. Fucking Ranger Navy Silt pilot. All right. Jared Isaacman Brandon Herrera, myself, don't an operator. Thank you so much for being here today. I know what you're thinking. What's with this backdrop? Well. Jared gave us a new hanger. It's crazy. We shook on it. I was gonna say before before anybody on the podcast comments accuses this of being a green screen. The jet blows. That was on Brandon's time. Not on ours. Brandon's in servitude forever. Five generations of Herrera is working for you. Congratulations. You have Mexican indentured service. We had a day thanks to Jared. We got to do some, we got to find some jets. And now we're hanging out drinking brother holy shit. This is wild. First off. And then every, I have like a million questions that have been holding on to you. Have guys and gals this, this and then there's a Star Wars cantina on the second floor. I thought Brandon was fucking with me when he said that Jared had a cantina. It's a real. Yeah. I was like, oh, I think, okay. Cool. He's got some Star Wars posters on the wall. No, no. It is the cantina from fucking Star Wars. It's awesome. Again, this is like you go to Disneyland or Disney World to see this level of cantina, which is funny because because I said that right off the gate, but you said you actually like snipe some Imagineers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so it looks right. It does. I mean, it looks fucking incredible. But this is, this has been awesome. This is actually a podcast that I've been wanting to do. I've been asking the guys for a while because like when, when the first time I came up to, to do this stuff with you guys, I had no clue your background or what all you guys did up here. And the more I learned, the more I'm like, this guy is the most interesting man in the world. Like I really wanted to sit down and have this conversation. So I'm excited personally. Yeah. I don't know about the most interesting guy right now. It was absolutely a ton of fun to get to fly with you guys today. So we're going to make up one more shorty tomorrow for it. We're getting there. I'm not that interesting. Says man sitting in giant hangar with Jets. All right. Astros. He's hanger. I know his Jets. With the cantina. I know it's okay. We all, we all flew today except Cody who got, hey, you know what? I like you. You're a nice guy. Oh, I know if you'll bed. No weather, weather got in the way. But the weather got in the way. I gave my wife the first flight. Like I wanted Moody to have her, her time on the flight. And then yeah, it started getting a little bit darker and like weather just kind of fucked up everything. But we, dude, we had such a such a good time just being here and hanging out with you, man. Thank you. Like seriously. Thank you, dude. Like Jeff, thank you. That was a blast. So we're we're appreciated. No, we love doing it. So by the guys got to come out and experience it for a lot of different types of fun aircraft. So this is good for us. We got ready to fly a bunch of next year or so. How do you know the senator here? Well, we're hangar makes for a more story. Yeah, we've known each other for years and all those gray hangers there are mine. That's my company that well used to be not anymore. Now I'm a government employee again. But before I re entered government service, all those gray hangers there are mine that have firefighting planes at them. So we got to know each other through this and then some charity stuff we did together for a few organizations. So you guys are big and non-profits and charity work. Like really big. I know you do St. Jude's. Yeah. I do. I was St. Jude, but thanks to the senator here, he reintroduced me just prior to the first mission at one space. He reintroduced me a space camp. We both went center and went at one a bunch and you tell me they were having some tough times during the during the pandemic where like David, I mean, a beautiful, a little rocket museum there and some extraordinary Saturn 5 there. And some of this was falling into various states of disrepair and the center stepped in helped save a pathfinder space shuttle. And thanks to Isim Shavatchi, they make some donations and get them get the dome again, too. Dude, and again, not that interesting. Well, my first space walk. Yeah. If we can just start from the beginning for people who don't know anything about your story, like where did you start out? What kind of got you in? Because he has to leave. Oh, that's why I was like, I have to go like three minutes. No, we're just stop. Stop. Stop. I'm here because I happen to be here or so. No, you're like a battlefield you start to start with the senator. I think this is technically the first senator we've had in the podcast. Yes. I feel like that's true. Yeah, we had a governor. Yeah, we had a governor, not a senator yet. So yeah, this is the reason why we're not very exciting. Motherfucker. But you're everything. You like, I'm going to do seal ranger fly planes. Well, so I grew up flying. My neighbor growing up was a Navy pilot. So he started teaching me how to fly when I was about eight. He was a Korean war sky raider, which most people don't know about the sky raider. Everyone knows the World War II war birds. And then I know the next generation, you know, like the plane behind us, you're the F five, the F 14s, all that. But the sky raider was part of this kind of interim era of planes. And it was like the A 10 of its era. And for those of us who fought, you know, in GWAT, A 10 was the ultimate close air support weapon came in that epic cannon you hear sounds like canvas ripping. And the A one was that in the Korean war. And he flew those and he started teaching me how to fly planes. When I was a kid, so I went to the naval academy to be a fighter pilot, like all the children of the 80s, you know, I wanted to be maverick, of course. And then I ended up getting talked into the special ops route. So went into the seal community and, yeah, did the Rangers as well. And then did several deployments during the war. My wife was a Marine. We met at the academy. I was a male order husband, actually. Blurring on, she picked me right out of a catalog. No, we met at the end. And I feel. Sealed. Sealed. And he sure let's go to the American flag speed. Oh, you know, like that bro Reynolds on the bear rug. Yeah. She got Mr. July. Yes. Exactly. Ordered February. I know. So the perpetual disappointment to this day. So like, I ordered the other month. But no, we were deployed so much in a part. It was like 45 days across six years. We actually saw each other. So we got married to the male. And then, yeah, long story. I got injured, got wounded, got out, and I started my company's right, hunted yards from this hanger here, which is how Jared and I kind of got to know each other. And the mission was to bring that close air support model. We kind of perfected. And the special ops community and bring that to wildfire. So we had built a company from scratch here with some other veterans. And, yeah, and then eventually got talked into throwing my life in the wood chipper and going into politics. So he really feel about that. Yeah, I feel like nobody here at this table knows better than you. Exactly how much of a wood chipper that is. It is. Yeah. And, you know, folks on the outside love to hate elected officials, especially Congress, like the least popular body, you know, in the But you know, when you look at our relationship with our Congressional, body back to the beginning of our nation. I mean, we were the first country, really, to believe in a powerful legislative organization. I mean, Article 1 of the Constitution is Congress, and as much as we all have to hate it, it is the people's branch, especially the House of Representatives. That's the people's expression of power to the government, and as annoying as can be as just functionals can be, as most in Churchill said, democracies, the worst form of government, except for all the others. And it's messy, and whether you're watching Jasmine Crockett every day, or somebody else, you're like, what the hell are these people doing there? You know that they're there to represent the will of people, and it's messy, but it's messy for a reason. It's self-rule is messy. I, too, open Twitter just to edge my aneurysm and watch Jasmine Crockett. Yeah, you went, Rewind, just a bit. You maybe still and then got accepted into Ranger School. You were wondering. No, no, no, Rangers first, so when I was at the Naval Academy, I was part of a program. So at the Naval Academy, you get picked for your service selection. So when you're at the service academies, you get picked, okay, you're going to go West Point, you'd be an infantry artillery pilot, whatever. Naval Academy, you'd be a Marine, you'd be a fighter pilot, submarines, and if you're picked to go seals, that's kind of a multi-year selection process. You have to go through what's called mini-budds, what's called something else now, but it's time it's mini-budds, and then a screening process, and they basically put you through kind of a hell week before you go to buds to make sure you're going to make it. And in that process, there was kind of an integration going in our Special Ops community, where you know, Army and Navy Special Ops are being integrated like they never really were ever before. And prior to GWAT, the Special Ops groups, you know, whether it was Green Bray's, Rangers, Delta, SF, well, they're Green Bray's, you know, Air Force Special Ops seals. They all did their own thing, and they rarely were totally integrated. And GWAT saw the kind of development of, you know, the joint Special Operations Task Force, where everyone's got jammed in together, and we're all one team, one fight. And the odd balls out of that were really the seals, just because we did everything different. We were water-based, ranks were different weapons, SOPs. So there was an effort to start bridging that gap, and I was part of that, so I was privileged to go through Ranger Training, Ranger School, Ranger Regiment Training, Airborne Recond Training, all that stuff. I know. Oh God. They put you through that ringer. They did. I'm a glutton for punishment, you know. Rangers seals, politics, as I said, you went through rip and then you went to buds. Yeah, holy shit, buddy. Yeah, it was fun. You did rip, too. Yeah, so was the regiment, uh, you did rip and Ranger School? Yeah. Well, I mean, pretty much all the guys are regimented, too. Oh, yeah, but I know, but they don't also then do buds. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. And then if I play, that's the big, the big difference, you're doing everything like getting kicked in the nuts. I did. That's why I ran for office. Yeah. And I married a Marine, too, that's to make sure that, you know, she'll ensure I get kicked in the nuts anytime, deviation from standards is observed. You're like, man, she's delivered one of our kids into her own hands, like caught her, like a football, like didn't make a peat be there. I was like, back of the truck. I'm like, Jesus. There we go. We're done. Oh, I was so in the hospital still charged me for the full, like, labor and delivery bill, you know, like, because we still go to the hospital to make sure it's all good. You get the bill at the end. They don't give you a discount for self delivery in the parking lot. That's bullshit. Just so you know, just FYI, if you ever have to, they probably don't have that little coupon in the register. My wife's going into labor. So there's a baby in your hand. Yes. Yeah, wash it. Do things. Yeah. That's wild. Got a free blanket, though. Now you, you got, you got an amazing family, man. I was telling, like, before we got on the podcast, I was talking about your son tried to kill me with a lightsaber. Yeah. Earlier. We all got jobs in half by your son. That's part of the course. Yeah. He's a warrior. I mean, you're lucky at close on. Normally, he's completely naked, like an old warrior, like a wild man. Yes. Yeah. That's about part for the course. Yeah. If he's got pants on, it's a good day. So guys, imagine him, but just like this tall with a lightsaber, just swing it at all of us. Yeah. Dude, he's a wild man. Congratulations, man. Thank you. He had a beautiful family. Yep. And you're, I mean, dude, again, that career is wild. Both of you, both, like, everyone here is just, it makes me feel like a piece of shit because I'm like, no, I got a work harder. We got a work harder. You got a great hair, though. I know. I'm going to hold these shit. Oh, great hair. No, it's a great hair. You got great hair. I'm like, I know him. He was just like, you like, you're just passed. Yeah. I, too, did you want a fucking ancient? So what, uh, what year did you get out of the military? Uh, so act to do to got out, uh, kind of in 2014, then I stayed, uh, I did like reserve recruiting for naval officers and, and a stubby for a while. And then, um, then, uh, was all ranching in business for a few years and now back in the government. I couldn't resist. I don't know how you went back, which is crazy, because, because you went from never having run for any sort of office whatsoever to going straight to senate, which for those who don't know. I thought I jumped in the deep end of the pool by having never run for office and then going for house, which is a pretty big jump senate is a completely different ballpark. That is a much more expensive race, a much more watched race. I mean, uh, you said earlier, they spent over 300 million dollars. Yes, we were the most expensive race in the history of mankind on a pervote basis here, like goofy, 325 million dollars. So it was more expensive to buy a TV commercial in Montana, like a year ago today, then in Las Vegas, New York, LA, anywhere. We were the most expensive mini market in the nation because, you know, we were the Omaha Beach race. So our race was going to determine control of senate. Now, we ended up with a 53 seat majority, but keep in mind, Dave McCormick got a two week count off, Bernie won by, you know, less than one percent. So margin of error, we were the race that the Dems knew for sure. This was going to be the firewall. So the, I mean, they spared no expense. It was, it was the landing craft on Omaha Beach, man, it was, it was nonstop and they tore tear apart your life. Anything you've ever done. I mean, every newspaper article about me for June of 2023 was. Oh, you know, War of Veteran, Family Man, philanthropist, job creator, firefighter, you know, in every article after July of 23 is, you know, he's a scamber, he's a crook, he's a liars. He's a shit don't kicker. He's never seen this. I know. It was. Yes. You know, because I don't talk about they, they, they grasp at anything they can. They do. What's funny is that, like, it doesn't matter if they believe it, because you know, they don't. Yeah, they just, they grab at anything they can to make just to see what sticks. They're like, all right, which thing do people actually believe? Oh, okay, people run with that. Let's do that. And you can have 20 people lined up that will sing your praises. And one like random hobo on the street that some guy pays five bucks, you know, or gave him a, you know, a bag of crack. And like, he says you're a bad dude. And they interview that guy for the Washington Post. And they're like, this guy's a credible source. He says, he says, Tim's an asshole. Like, well, obviously he is. This guy's credible. Let's put him on the frontline news, you know, Tim. She, he sold me fentanyl behind the target on. That's exactly right right next to Elmo. Yeah, I give homeless guys crack all the time, talk that about it. It's political. Exactly. It's a, it's a good story. That's your good friend. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I, I, I give them some crack. And I'm like, Hey, the cop over there has copper and his veins. You should try to get that copper out of his veins. And I try, yeah, they go, they go with it. What was the camera angle cut? I know. I know. Just a little. It's like, I didn't represent that comment. I was like, man, Cody's talking. It was while watching being on our side, which we don't deal with politics, but seeing what Brandon went through on just jokes. And then how the media would just like, no, dude, hates veterans, as it sits next to veterans. And the letter of castor is next to a purple heart recipe. Yeah. And then three other veterans beside him. It was like, no, he hates veterans. He has veterans. I made, I made a comment in a veteran's town hall, you know, as a also a purple heart recipient, you know, and, and, you know, I said, Hey, his veterans, you know, because I'm sick and tired of the veteran victim culture. You know, they come home and like, oh, my God, give me a blanket. I mean, listen, like, we all volunteer. Don't want to volunteer force. And we're veterans, not victims. So when we come back, there are certain things that we need and we earned and we deserve. Yes. That does not include all of the above whatever the fuck I want forever, free shit, you know, emotional support dogs at every street corner, blankets wrapped around me, a free job, candy, you know, Halloween costumes and a fucking free car. All right. No, like, come home, get a job, get a mission and live your life and continue to serve your country. Now, yes, if you got injured, you go. You got issues 100% we need to stand behind you. The VA is there to serve those veterans who deployed to combat who have service connected disabilities come home and need support. It is not there to be a catch all like, you know, campus support program for any need. I need new insoles for my shoes to go to fucking foot locker like the rest of us, like, you know, and, and the victim culture has permeated way too much. And we got to put a stop to it. And people want to talk about veterans like, yeah, because they're convinced in their head that they have no. Where else to go? They're veterans. They're broken. No, they're not broken. They're not broken that they're strong, great patriots who volunteer to serve in the best thing we can do when they get home is give them a mission, give them a career, not give them free stuff. And I've said that repeatedly, like I'm saying now, and they clip that and say, oh, Tim hates veterans. I'm like, we, I'm married to a combat veteran. I am a combat veteran, multiple tours. All I'm saying is we as veterans have a higher bar when we get home. [BLANK_AUDIO] is not give me free shit, give me a lifetime of handouts, give me a lifetime of benefit programs. No, it's come home and continue to serve your country, continue to achieve, and make the nation proud again. But it doesn't matter what you said. It matters what they can pay enough money to make people think. That's exactly right. No, it didn't work. I still won by a lot. My opponent was, you know, not a veteran. So him claiming I was anti-veteran when he had never served day in his life and me and my wife were both combat vets. It didn't really hold any water. But to your point, it was something they could grab and run with. And so you're entering the crucible again. Thank you for doing it. I mean, we need our generation to step in and serve in elected office. It's a thankless job. But for sure. No, I mean, I feel like you need more people that are A, again, like in our generation and less, you know, 180 years old, but still for whatever reason, being the people in charge of regulating Bitcoin. Like that, that is a problem. Who's Bitcoin? How many bitcoins can I fit in my wallet? Just listening to the hearings about, you know, Facebook or, you know, meta or anything like that. And just like, oh my god, like, we need help. We need, we need some serious help. But no, on top of that, I just feel like not only that, but people who aren't for sale, which seems to be the prevailing, I don't know, not to speak ill of your colleagues, but there's a lot of it going around. Well, listen, I mean, the reality is we were we were built to be a citizen republic. You know, a republic republic is a word we hear. It floats around. But, you know, democracy never appears once in the Constitution. That word is important. It matters, but we are a republic first and foremost. And that's a form of government that is very fragile and has never succeeded over the long term. And it's always, I mean, the Islamic, Iran is an Islamic republic, you know? I mean, you know, I think the North Korea calls themselves the Democratic People's Republic. You know, so there's lots of republics out there, but truly a nation that is run by regular citizens who choose to stand up and volunteer their time and service to shape the future of their children, of our economy, of the greatest nation in the world. This is the only country with that is really worked at scale for a long time. And yes, I'm sure someone listening will dig up like some random ass Nordic country with two million people and at that all of them, they've been a republic for 400 year being. All right, but not the biggest economy, largest nation in the world. Like, you know, this has not worked at scale ever for this amount of time. And that's that's special. And it's also tough. It doesn't, it doesn't come easily. It comes at a cost, comes cost of me throwing my life in the woodchip, but you throwing your life in the woodchip. Maybe these guys, pardon me, this guy is too ugly, but you know, man, you know, uh, maybe this guy trying to, you know, enter our government and run, you know, the next generation of space exploration. What is it? It's like a republic if you can keep it. That's exactly as I've been Franklin said, as he left Independence Hall, what form of what government have you given us, Mr. Franklin, he said, a republican, a problem if you can keep it, because he knew that it was so perishable. And every time it had been tried, it had collapsed under its own weight. Well, I get like one day a month to eat dinner on my grid. I'm here for this guy, because we know each other years. We weren't particularly close. It was like we were like going camping together, but we knew each other and space camp was having a problem during COVID. And as he said, I donated a good deal of money to help restore some rockets and keep the camp open. And, you know, I was a successful business guy, but you know, there are limits to what you can afford. And, and they outlined to me the scope of their financial challenge. And I said, you know what, I got some money, but I know another guy has got a lot more money than I got. Let me give him a call. And I called Jared and into his credit, you know, right away, no hesitation said, absolutely, I'm going to get involved. We're going to make a difference. And he's continued to have that attitude about so many things throughout his life. And obviously, recently, for the past several months, as I'm sure you've seen the news, you know, he's been called on to serve our country again. And all those have been some drama around that. I think we're navigating through that. He's got a future as part of this American Renaissance Refealing, which I don't care where you are in the political spectrum. Left, right, center, up, down, red, blue, you know, I don't give a **** like we got to fix this country. We got to reorient our country back towards American excellence and just kicking ass in every way possible. And that means we need, frankly, a new generation of leaders getting into the system and he's part of that. So when he reached out and said, hey, I'm considering coming back in and I said, I'll do whatever I kind of support you. Not because we're friends, not because I get anything from this because I don't. I simply care about getting the best people possible into our government to make sure that our kids' future is as great, you know, as it possibly can be. So I'm looking forward to waking up and reading the news article where you have voted yes on his confirmation hearing as director of NASA. Yes, I already did, actually, I introduced it. Yeah, I mean, this said we already did V1 of this, you know, where I introduced him at his hearing and he was locally supportive. I'm looking forward to take two. Yes, perfect. Yes, yes, be two. So why don't we hold it? He's top of the pile of best guy around. So thanks, guys, for making trip to Montana. Last best place, Grace, stay in the Union. So have phone while you're here. Where do we find your word? Where does the internet find you if they have any questions or anything? Tim for mp.com. Timshuhi.com. Go there and check it out. Call our office anytime. So sometimes I work the phones on my office myself. So I might be the one picking up the phone, asking you what's your problem today? Well, if I let you out, I vote for you. All right. I'll say, if you were a Democrat, you could vote for them anyway. That's exactly. Yeah. All right. See you guys. Have fun. Sounds your pleasure, brother. Brandon. Brandon. Cody, call him the one word. Win a k 50. I sense the disturbance in the force. What's up? How do you like those turtle beach noise canceling headphones? They're the stealth 700. They're fantastic. 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And if you've been in a long gaming session, which I'm sure all of us have, unfortunately. I wear adult diapers when I play World of Warcraft. You should be euthanized. Also controls headphones. Great. This. Game hard. Head to Turtle Beach and use code unsub for 10% off your entire order. That's 10% off your entire order at turtlebeach.com with using code unsub. After your purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support unsub and tell them where you got them. Tell them unsub since their regards. Cool. And we're back. Yeah. Senator, she had to run and go save some orphans from a burning building, but you know, it checks out. Yeah, yeah. That is wild. That is a military career. So when you're like, well, you jump straight to center, I was like, wow. It's like, I held a lot of different things that I wanted. He had a hell of a military career, a hell of a civilian career, and then a hell of a political career right out the gate. It's like the guy just doesn't miss. Yeah. And then he saves them fire for some babies. Yeah, I was going to say like his civilian career as an entrepreneur is water bombing fires and saving towns and schools from burning town. He said an unbelievable career. Literally did that. Yeah. That is wild. Amazing human. And now we get to talk to you. That's what we're like. Yeah. Hold on for the good questions. Far less interesting. Yeah. Shut the fuck up. Yeah. You talk about jets, everything. I don't even know. As Brandon said earlier, it is rewind to at what age this begin, because we've heard of it from random people, but I would love at what young age it started. We're like, yeah, I'm going to just kindergarten. I mean, it's just really. So my older brothers and sisters, I mean, 15 years older, 13 years older, eight years older, I was raised really independent. So like, I mean, the babysitter was watching movies like Top Gun, Right Stuff, Space Camp. It was a really good movie. And yeah. And from kindergarten, I was like, I want to be a national. And then as I grew up, I was like, well, that's not going to happen. So I'll be a pilot. I built my first computer to fly like a flight simulator. So it's been a passion since I was really, really little. And you told TV's fault. Your first business was at 15, 16? 16. Yeah. And that's where you were like, hey, I'm going to do. I mean, if you want to go into that, because I think even that, what you want to talk about, but your dad would sit with you at your business meetings. Is that true? No, so I mean, he had to, he had to drive me, please. I think I was, I mean, I started the company on a 16. It's in payments. So like our customers are mostly restaurants, hotels, stadiums, theme parks, in this country. Now we're global. We're in six different continents. But yeah. So if It's FinTech, it's kind of interesting, but nothing like, you know, obviously fighter jets in space. But, started that when I was 16. My father left his company to come join me. So, working with him was, yeah, definitely one of the most rewarding experience of my life. I learned a ton from my dad. But yeah, so I kind of was doing that for a while and waking up on my keyboard because it's the best time, by the way. If you are going to start a business like, there's a good chance if you're going to do it as a teenager or screw it up because you don't know much. But, what a great time to do it also because, I mean, you have no family, no responsibilities, so you can kind of afford to give, you know, like 110%, just burn yourself out at things. That's what I was doing and was working on the business side, but I needed something else my life, so I started flying. And I kind of picked up that childhood passion and ran with it for a while. - It's kind of funny 'cause ever since the first time I came out here and learning more about your story and everything like that, now when I go to pay at restaurants, and I just see that little icon with the company pop up. I'm like, ah, there you go. Little piece of Jared everywhere. - Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah. All those pennies, they had 'em. - No. - Yeah. - Couldn't tell. - You employed your dad at 16? (laughing) - I think you were doing way better than any of us at this time, I was mowing yards. - We were partners. But yeah, now I had my tour prior to that, Burger King, you know, waiter and all that. I mean, really, from, I mean, I was, I think I was like a catty at 12. My parents were very like, you want anything in life. You're gonna go out and work and do it. And I'm just lucky to spot an opportunity. And I can't like underscore that enough. Luck is such a huge fact. You know, start a company or your teenager and like it works out the way it does without a lot of things, you know, falling your way. Yeah, that's how it went. - And now you're just crushing it. And then that's what got you into planes, fighter pilot. And you own one or two, you actually have a company or started a company with others where you acquired how many jets across the. - Oh, we had a, I mean, so this company, I mean, just give you a little bit of history here. I knew I always wanted to fly these kind of airplanes. I had no idea there was, you know, the Air Force Reserve or the Guard, like there was a concept of being able to, you know, contribute and serve your country in a part-time way. When I found out was after I was flying air shows with some of the greatest military aviators ever. That's what, actually, that's the only reason I went back and got my college degree at 29. It was like, oh, man, I'd love to be able to, you know, serve in the Guard or whatnot. But we went up flying air shows, you know, we had a seven-ship formation act. We flew around everywhere. All these cities around the country having the time of our lives. And then we pivoted that mostly because we were like, we can't maintain this lifestyle. I mean, you were drinking a lot. You're eating, like, crap all the time. And then you're flying for four days at a row. And. - Same reason we don't do the live shows all year round. (laughing) I was like, this is max fun, super unhealthy, gonna end poorly. So we were like, we need to maintain the fun factor, but turn to something commercial. So we ran around the world and we bought over 100 fighter jets. Like, we actually, at one point, we're like the 12th largest air force in the world. So we, I mean, we had mig 21s from Poland, L159s, from Czech Republic. We had jets from Israel, Spain, France, the country of Jordan. And it was so cool going around like doing these deals. And you know, it's funny, people like, talk about government service and our government is so corrupt. Until you've bought fighter jets from like a Middle Eastern country, you have no idea what corruption is. Like, we're actually pretty good, you know? - I feel like it's funny 'cause, you know, you always hear that thing where it's like the biggest air force in the world is obviously the US Air Force. And then the second one is the US Navy. - Yeah. - And then the 13th is Jared. - Yeah. - He's a wild. - How many of the biggest air forces do we have? Well, one of them is just one of our people. So. I ran Jordan, Jared? - Yeah, that's what you mean. - You mean Jordan? - No, no, I mean, I'm not Jared. - I'm not Jared. - Last name. - Called it "Drocken", but yeah. - Yeah, we were pretty big air force. And we were basically just the professional bad guys for the Department of Defense. We'd have 20, sometimes 30 jets at Nellis Air Force base in Las Vegas. So we were in all the red flag exercises, supporting their version of top gun weapon school. We had A4s dropping training ordinance for the Marines, for JTAC training, for Navy Special Warfare operators in up in Fallon. It was, I mean, I've said it many times. Like, I think commercial space, what companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin do is like the number one coolest industry hands down. But top gun for a living, strong number two. - Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's still wild. And then what was your first like, hey, with "Drocken", I'm gonna go out and start doing this. Where, what was that first business deal like? - Yeah, how do you get started? - Yeah, I'm going to be up for for the air force. - Yeah, so, I mean, we, I mean, like I said, you're good. I mean, you just turn us out. - We were flying. - Thanks. We were flying air shows every weekend, and just spending a lot of time at the bar, where a lot of the good ideas come out. And we were like, we should do this. We should be this professional fighter jets as a service. - Hey, the country was started in the bar, all right? - I think it's a great place. A lot of good industries. Anyway, we basically started to think about this idea, but we wanted to be different than others. There were some companies that did it prior to us, but as we said, they basically put metal in the sky. So, Korean war, air planes with no radar, no radar warning receivers. They had no idea that the good guys were there, and they certainly had no way to attack them. And we were like, so if we're going to do this, we want quantity. Like we had a big problem, we got a solve here. Like the US government needs like lots of fighter jets as a service to do this because it saves a lot of money, and it preserves the life on our existing fleets. But it also needs to be credible. So, a lot of quantity, credible meaning like you can react to whatever the good guys are doing, and then you can punish their mistakes. And then sustainable, usually when countries are ready to sell their fighter jets, they're crap. I mean, they've used every last bit of life out of them because they know what's coming next is like $120 million or $35 or something. So, who's willing to sell these airplanes that actually have tons of life remaining on it? And that was kind of the criteria. And first stop was Romania. They had these MIG-21s that these railies upgraded. So, they're Russian MIG-21s, but they put a modern US radar in, helmet queuing sites, some advanced missiles and sensors. Couldn't get a deal done there. Next stop was New Zealand. Perfect circumstances because they, for political reasons, disbanded their offensive air force. So, they, it was like in 2003. - The American mine cannot come in that. - Yeah, I, they were pure defense. So, they have like maritime patrol for search and rescue, maybe some sub-hunting and stuff. But every airplane that had offensive strike capability, they disbanded, which meant they had all these A4 skyhawks from the original top gun. But then they upgraded them with F-16 radars. F-16 radar warning receivers. All the modern data buses and everything were like, that's it. I mean, that's the perfect aggressor. They used them in Top Gun, but it's even more advanced. We bought their whole combat air force, basically. They're A4s, they're air machis. And that was the first deal of what became many around the world of buying fighter jets. - That's a lot, like, are you meeting with multiple people? Like, what does that sit down? Because I still cannot conceptualize sitting down. It's like, nah, these are nice mates. - John C. Bulgaria, I would like to buy a MiG 29. - Oh, I mean, it's so cool. So, I mean, eventually, we had to have a network 'cause we determined that control of this industry that ultimately became a $6 billion industry when the Air Force finally was like, wow, this thing's real. It's not just one-offs. Like, you can really have commercial fighter jets as a service. Controlling the fleet of fighter jets in the world became, you know, the whole game plan. So, every defense had to share around the world when a country was gonna disband their fighter squadron. We were reaching out to, and it was like, all right, are the jets still good? You know, like, are they gonna be reasonable on price and everything? And we would use them to kind of help direct us where we need to go, and we'd fly all over the place. And then, I mean, you could be, depending on the size of country, you're meeting with the minister of defense. You know, you're meeting with the minister of state. And you're hoping that you have the right motivated, you know, kind of seller. So, you can actually not have these things turn until, like, a 20-year government program to sell these airplanes. But that's how it went. You're just traveling around having these kind of cool meetings with 20 different flags in front of you. These, like, little mini UN tables. It's really cool. - That's kind of fucking red. - Dude, and what age were you with this? - Oh, so we started this company in late 2011. So, you know, 14, 14 years ago. So, I was, you know, a little more mature than 16 when I started. - Yeah, four. - You're, like, 30 still, right? - Yeah, dude, that's-- - Late late 20s. - So, when you, just to share with people, I guess, a little bit of, if you're comfortable with the seed capital you had for this stuff, when you made your initial, I guess, payout from shift four, what did that look like for you? Like, what did you start with? - All right, so you start with 10 grand. So, that was a gift from my grandfather when I was 16 to start shift four. That was all we had. We had no outside capital for the first 15 years in business. Other than that, $10,000 checked from my grandfather. And again, when you talk about luck, it was an interesting time in the game. We're back to FinTech, so kind of slightly less interesting than space and fighter jets. But it was at an interesting time where it was not a capital intense industry. All the banks were focused on putting credit cards in people's consumers' wilds and getting it convincing them to go out and overextend themselves. And very little was paid on kind of facilitating the payment transaction of which, if you were a pizza joint and you wanted to take credit cards, it was nightmare. You had, like, a mortgage document that was like this, just to get, just to get started. So, it was not a capital intense industry. We were able to be pretty disruptive for very little cost. That wouldn't work this way, like now. If we started five years later, I mean, you need millions to do what we did with very little then. - But you just identified in need. Yeah, I mean that's it when people talk about starting a business like is there opportunity? Is there an obvious problem that you were able to fix or have you created a far better solution than what already exists and is there a revenue model to underwrite it? Like you fix this problem and you actually can generate more revenue than cost. That was the right time right place to do it in the industry. Yeah and then by the time you would, did you make an exit from Shifford? You still, I guess, a part of that. So I earned about 25% of the company. We went public in 2020. First company back in the New York Stock Exchange to ring the bell during the pandemic, June 5, 2020. And so yeah, I was CEO right up until the NASA nomination and then now executive chairman. They're showing a lot of it. That's awesome. You're missing that one thing. At 16, you identified that thing in a way. At 16, I was like, "Girl, I played video game." Which was still, I believe, at the time. But it was, if I can say, it was like a nine-digit payout. Yeah, I mean, the company's got over, it's like a $10 billion market cap right now. Thank you. Yeah, so you started what eventually became a $10 billion company at 16. Yeah, we should still be going up from there. We're a pretty good company right now. Mark is not totally valuing it. So that's the funny part to me is that you were just so unbelievably humble about it. You're like, "Oh, I'm not that interesting, but yeah, I started a $10 billion company before I could legally drive." My dad had to drive me to business meetings and I again, major props. That's that motivation. I love that level of entrepreneurship and then the mindset even at a young age where it was, "Oh, I need to do this here." And then I guarantee you chase that with full intensity. Because it's super inspirational. I mean, that's what you're about is inspiration. Yeah, well, I will say in terms of the intensity, right? I mean, you talk about people ask me a lot. High school college kids, "Hey, I want to start a business." It's like, all right, well, make sure there's opportunity there. A lot of people start businesses where it sounds good, but it's just, you're not really fixing something. So it's destined to go for failure. Or people actually have solved real problems. It's just the revenue model doesn't work. No matter what, it will always like Emerge Cash. Unless you're in a really accommodating, low interest rate environment that it usually doesn't work. But it's like, gotta have an opportunity, you gotta have a good revenue model. And then your intensity point, absolutely. That's why, actually, as a teenager is great. Actually, I've talked to a lot of people who struggle with businesses on failed entrepreneurs. And it was like, "Well, family comes first." And I was like, "Not year one, man. You're starting a business right now. You need to give it everything you have in your life. You want to do the best thing you can for your family when you're starting a business is make it work." And that does mean putting it first for some period of time. And eventually, you get it right. It's the best thing you can do for your family. A lot of people don't understand that level of sacrifice. Or they think, "Well, I worked hard." It's like, "No, no, no, no. There is no time for anything else other than this one main objective." And then that has to be it. And it's maybe one year. But it's a chance it's going to be a multi-year process. 100 percent. You just can't quit. It doesn't matter how hard it gets. It's just okay. Keep going. When I was first starting off and struggling with all the shit, just starting my company, I watched Game of Thrones, season five, season six, whatever it was. I was just like, bingeing all of Game of Thrones because I had never seen it. Yeah, it's four o'clock in the fucking morning. With my laptop next to me, babysitting a 3D printer because we were running prototypes of new models that we were running shit like that. Because, again, I was young. I didn't have a family. I didn't have these obligations. I'm like, "This is the time. It needs a pedal to the floor." Seven days a week. Seven days a week can't off stress that there's no like the weekend thing doesn't exist either. That's why people it's like, "Oh, I wish I worked for myself." It's like, "Oh, brother in Christ." The only reason I know it's a weekend is because more people are at restaurants. This is a weekend and we're still like, like you are working. Yes, it is fun, but it is still a passion and you are working really hard. This is our Sunday night. Yeah, this is Sunday. Yeah, I think so. It's a weekend, guys. We're improving our point. We don't know what fucking day it is. Dude, we flew in. You could have told me Tuesday. I've been like, "Sounds are eight. I have saying it." Literally. It's so easy to do YouTube. I wish I could just do YouTube. I agree. It's so easy and you should all try. It's so easy. Try and then also just don't launch a whole bunch of other businesses on top of YouTube. It's like, let's do five. Five sounds like a fantastic business number and you're like, "Fuck." We had just one of the best experiences period. We got to fly jets and we, again, it is something we can't thank you enough because it is an opportunity almost not enough people get, like period. That's super cool. Just being able to, especially being let in because we all have our individual tisns, and yours is clearly flying. It's easy to see that you just fucking love the hell out of it. The first time I came up here with you guys, I wasn't super familiar with you or your backstory or anything. I saw you bowl-shitting with your pilots and I just thought you were one of the pilots. I didn't realize like, "Oh, you just said, "Oh, hey, Jared. Jared, okay, gotcha." You're just one of the guys. Just kind of cool. I always thought that was neat. That is 100% how we roll. We've all been flying together. Again, all the way back to 2010, we first started flying airshows together. We definitely don't have that kind of a hierarchy at all. We're here to maximize fun, try and get people excited about what we do, inspired to do other big things. Especially for, we have these airplanes, but a big part of the story is space. This is hands down, the absolute best time in the history of space program since Neil Armstrong was walking on the moon. You got reusable rockets. You got rockets now that are being caught by giant chopsticks. You got a real prospect of humans. Not just going back to the moon, but going to Mars. We can use these jets and we can take up space influencers, they can get people's attention on this. We can do flyovers. We did yesterday at the Montana State Game. People are like, "Who are these guys?" They're not the Air Force, but they do commercial space stuff and then go and look it up and then they get excited about it. It really helps check a lot of the inspirational boxes, too. Are you friends with Elon? I wouldn't say friends. We were professional acquaintances. Certainly every Democratic Senator thought I was close friends with him. He was putting me into NASA to engineer his singular focus on Mars, not the case at all. To turn the moon into a death star. I mean, went to space twice with SpaceX, which by the way, is the only way that NASA has been able to go to and from space since the shuttle was retired in 2011. I wasn't in any different place, but we had two successful missions and he, along with a lot of other people, thought that maybe I can contribute. But I wouldn't say we're like, "We're not drinking buddies. I've never gone out to dinner and never had a social event with them just professional." How many times now have you been to space? Twice. There's a lot of people that have this conversation about like, "Oh, we never went to the moon. We never went to space because humans can't survive past the radiation belt." The real question is, how much is the new world order paying you to lie about going to space twice? Was there a flat? Why are you lying to me? I don't even like, I don't even like, you would have hit the dome. You know, like, dismissive about it, like talking down to people. I actually like, I get it. You know what? We should have just been back to the moon by now and conclusively just showed you that we did. I mean, the fact that it's been a half a century and there is new generations out there that have grown up in the world where everything's on an iPad or an iPhone and they're like, "Well, if we've done it, why isn't it right in front of me right now? We haven't. I will tell you 100%. We absolutely went to the moon." You know, why? We give, we lose 4% of the discretionary budget. NASA right now is a quarter of a percent. Believe me, you give 4% of that money and the best and brightest minds for a decade. You're going to do some pretty damn awesome things. But it was so expensive and we beat the Soviets there for a lot of good reasons. It definitely had benefits back here on Earth, but we lost the will to do it. We didn't have, we didn't have the stomach for the budget and we let way too much time go by. But that's changing. For the skeptics out there, you do not have to wait long. I promise you that. I'm so excited. This is, a lot of people don't think understand how small the NASA budget is because you get to see it's like, "Well, why look how much we're wasting for Mars or these mission trips?" And then it is 0.2%. Yeah, 0.2%. I believe in less. I mean, yeah. And that's also, I mean, it's cool to see that evolved too. Where like NASA went from being the spearhead of like, they were the ones who were doing everything. To know NASA can just be a supplementary arm of the blue origins of the SpaceX, basically just helping them do something they're already doing. Like commercial space was as a concept in the 70s of fucking pipe dream. And now it's reality. Yeah, I mean, I guess I say, you know, first like SpaceX, Blue Origin, for all the things they are doing to wow us. They benefited from decades of what some of the best and brightest at NASA pioneered during a time when, you know, like, you know, the computers that they had to use to get us to the moon and back, where the size of warehouses versus, you know, what you could do on an iPhone today. They were brilliant. I mean, they were doing these kind of orbital calculations before they even had computers to attack the SpaceX. They're doing it on paper and they're doing it to a precise like millimeter of accuracy on paper and playing with people's lives, too. Yeah. I mean, you get that calculation wrong. Like, oh, dude, this is Aldrin doesn't come home. Yeah. I mean, 100%. I think through all of our years in business on the internet, we've all used Shopify. I've used it for merch and my skate shop and a couple other businesses. I will actually agree 100% on that. Everything we do is run through Shopify. Even bunkers run through Shopify. Our shoes, which is a separate company, is run through Shopify and they talk together because of Shopify. Shopify runs the world. Did you know Shopify will actually help you design a website also, Cody? I know I didn't know **** about starting an online store when I started my career online. And Shopify just made it super, super easy for my dumbass. Bring it up as if people haven't heard about my brand, though. That's actually easy, Eli. 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Shopify.com/unsubpod. I will say too. There was a appetite for risk. I mean, that was a battleground during the Cold War. We took more risks than we did now. They had a lot more money to do these kind of extraordinary things. So this is like, to me, it's never in either or it's not like, you know, now we can just hand everything over to SpaceX. No, you know, like, there is a world for both. And what it means is just NASA has to recalibrate for when they pioneer something. They truly figure it out and hand it off to industry to do it better. Where competition can create innovation and drive down costs. I mean, the best thing in the world for SpaceX is Blue Origin to do well. I mean, those just feed off each other and give us really cool things like we've all been seeing, right? And then what does NASA do? It works on what they can't do. To figure out something else that's like truly cutting edge like a big fan of nuclear propulsion, SpaceX and Blue Origin aren't going to mess around with highly enriched uranium. They're not going to launch, you know, nuclear reactor. You know, who would, you know, President Trump would. He would absolutely. He's already making nuclear grade again, clear the pathways, let NASA work on what no one else can do and let and hand off what they already figured out to industry to make it better. Because that's a relationship, man. That's what I was going to ask you about too is because like, what is there, what is making you excited right now when it comes to that? Like what is the next big thing? Because I mean, obviously like reusable rockets was fucking huge. Huge. That was massive. But like what's the next big step? What are you, what are you looking forward to? You're like, this is going to revolutionize stuff and it's close. Yeah. And I just want to, on reusable rockets, like as somebody who is a total political newcomer, you know, six, six, six, nine months ago, I had one political position from running a defense company for 10 years. The competitiveness of our nation, like we can't lose. Like we, we always have to be the beacon of light and freedom in the world. And when we were, you know, replicating with fighter jets to the bad guys and what we were doing in 2013, 2014, we were, you know, we were playing China, we're 1960s, make 21s. By 2019, it was like, wow, we can create some real problems for the good guys. And that made me, that made me concerned and I'll tell you, bring this back to space. If we didn't have reusable rockets right now, you know, what, what SpaceX did, pioneer with Falcon 9, China would absolutely be putting more rockets in space than us by, by far. So why is that a big deal? It's the high ground. It's the ultimate high ground. It's a high ground for sensors. It's being weaponized. Like you do not want to give up that ground. So thank goodness for, for reusable rockets in order to keep this edge. But we, you know, we're not going to hold this forever. Like we need to keep pushing forward. Obviously, the president certainly understands that he created the space force for a reason, saying, this is an important domain. We can't screw this one up. And we just need a lot more companies like SpaceX, Blue Origin, stoked to make sure we hold the high ground. I love it. It is, you know, reusable rockets is the idea of that. And yes, we've had a couple of failures, but it's wild that people are like, look, it blew up. You're like, no, no, no, no, you do not understand this did not exist a decade ago. This is, this is groundbreaking tech. And this is saving God knows how much money. So just about every rocket we've ever tried to throw up has exploded in the early times. The challenges. I mean, the challengers, why are you seeing a big decrease in budget, right? Is that or one of the reasons you had a couple of different. I mean, even in the test bed phase. Oh, yeah. Like rockets blow up all the time. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. Well, look, I mean, throughout the time, look, it's a controlled explosion accelerating, you know, to 17,500 miles if it's staying in lower, but 25,000 plus miles an hour if it's going to the moon or Mars. So yeah, it's a lot of energy you're putting into it to something like things can go wrong. Falcon 9, by the way, and it's important when you look at something in an organization like SpaceX, they have the operational side where they take no chances. So that's, you know, the, that's what puts up the starlings. That's what puts sense crew to the space stations. What sent me on my two missions, sends cargo up to space station. And then they have their development side where they are trying to do the near impossible, just like NASA tries to do. And that's starship. And that is radical. We have never had a rocket in history where the, the bottom of the rocket, the booster and the top of it are entirely reusable. Yeah. Almost throughout all of human space flight, when you're done with the rocket, you throw it in the ocean. I mean, imagine like how much that costs. I mean, you know, Elon said it very much like, you know, how many people will be going to Disneyland if we threw away the 737 every time you got there? Not many. Right. So like starship. Yeah, it's had some setbacks. It is doing something very radical. And Blue Origin is going for reusability too. They're going to have some bad days, but that's very different than the operational rockets that are out there that, you know, the country needs to depend on. Those are been, I mean, those are extraordinarily reliable. I'd never, never hesitated all thinking we would be okay on our missions. For sure. And so all of the, the, the starship production is done in South Texas, it's down in Brownsville. Yeah. I've, I've gotten the opportunity before to, to tour that facility. And, and just to see the sheer fucking scale of the, those rockets and just even just the booster, like what they were able to catch, it's, whatever you're thinking in your mind, it's bigger. And it is, it's impossible to like that, that whole thing put together is bigger than like the, the Seattle space needle. Like, it's, it's the biggest man made flying object ever. 100% just putting it all together, just like the booster plus the actual rocket on top. Like you look at it and your brain just kind of shuts down like, oh, like that, that's something that has made it to orbit. I mean, you go to, you go to Starbase, you know, Brownsville, Boca, Cheetah, Texas. I, I caused, like, is there a religious experience going there, your space fan, absolutely. I got like vibes from Manhattan Projects. I mean, when, my first time there was still very, you know, there was a lot of tents and dirt and dust around and just people working to make it happen. They called it the Gateway to Mars for a reason. You know what I appreciate most coming out of the, you know, kind of the defense industry on that one is the big defense primes that control all the contracts. They don't touch a keyboard without a contract. They rarely spend their own money. You know, governments got a good idea. They got a good idea. Give me a contract for it first before I do anything. You know, my, you know, company of Drockin, we had a big, you know, field of dreams if you build it, they will come, solve a big problem and the demand will be there. And that entire facility in Starbase, no one gave me a contract to do that. They went out and just spent tons of money, billions of dollars. You know what? We need to do this for the sake of humanity. We need, you know, a interplanetary rocket that's rapidly reusable as DOD applications. Human exploration. Everything. Robotics. So bad ass. And they're like, we're going to build it here. We're going to spend billions of dollars. And we're going to build the rocket. We don't care if we get a contract or not. We're doing it for the good of all of humankind. It's energizing. That's, that's the cool part, at least to me, is that like, say what you will about Elon, but like the idea came first and the passion came first. The business came later. Yeah. Fuck it. I guess we'll give the world Wi-Fi. I don't know. But I just want rockets. Like, you know, it's like all the, the actual business models came. That was a secondary step. Like with Starship is like, I don't know, fuck it, we'll find a way to make it cash flow. But like, we're going to make the biggest rocket ever made. Yeah. A hundred percent. And wrap it in reusable. We'll never throw it away. And that's the whole thing when people are like, you know, we, we got to take care of all our problems here on Earth before we think about Mars. First, it's a good argument. It's another thing I'm not dismissive of. It's been faith, the space program's faced it since the beginning of time. But here's what I'll say. What's different now than it was, you know, 50, 60 years ago. You got some of the richest people in the world, foot in the bill. You're right. Elon's doing it. Because there's a gold rush on Mars, he thinks it's a good hedge against something catastrophic happening here on Earth. Not to mention, it's a good stepping stone towards our destiny to explore the cosmos. But he's foot in a lot of the bill, Jeff Bezos of Blue Origin is, is foot in a lot of the bill. And I'll tell you in the process, you're, you're paying thousands of engineers. You're employing thousands of people who are on Earth. You know, you're, you're, you're fueling that economy as well. It's great. Great for the economy. All these brilliant engineers and minds coming out of, you know, out of college and they'll go on and create other awesome stars. What I'll say to you is, like, when they do this, not if, like, when Starship, when, you know, New Glenn is successful with Blue Origin, Stoke and all the other guys, like, the problems it will solve here on Earth, we don't know yet. It will be many. It's amazing. When, when you have a vehicle that can send 100 tons to, uh, tomorrow's, is it also sending, is it change the whole UPS and FedEx dynamic? Are we, are we sending a package, you know, one hour delivery to the other side of Earth? You could. You do point to pin travel with it. It has DOD applications to it, I mean, it's just, you know, for everyone, it's like, it's, you know, they, all these things are a waste for humanity. No, like, first, other people can put the bill in second. You have no idea what benefits it will have back here at home, especially on space. It's like spaces that, it's how you, I love the idea that's how you advanced as mankind. It is space that is like the Kardashians scale. It's like those little things where you're like, fuck yes, this is, here's the type one civilization. And then you get a C on that mindset. It's like what's a type two, what's a type three? And then it is that mind blowing of, oh, these would look like gods and they are just technologically advanced. - On top of that, like, like something a little bit more. - I subscribe, man. - Yeah, I love this. - Something a little bit more tangible. I mean, look at Howard Hughes. - Yep. - All the stuff that he did. Geostationary satellites, all that stuff. He's like, he's just, again, a rich dude fucking around with stuff that he thought was cool. - Yeah, I mean, like I said all the time, like Elon somehow has picked all of human kinds, greatest engineering problems for the good of humanity. People who are blind or can't walk. I think I can build neuro implants to help them see again and walk. And maybe a little more electric vehicles and more solar is a good thing. Maybe digging tunnels underneath the ground so we can get rid of traffic. Maybe building, like, inner planetary rockets. Or, you know, I don't want AI to go out of control and create, you know, T1000s gunning us down. So I'm gonna build a responsible AI. - Instead, we're just gonna make them super racist on Twitter. - Yeah, exactly. - It's like literally everything he's trying to do. I mean, you know, he may not always have the perfect delivery or the most timely, like timelines or whatever on these things, but like, he's literally trying to solve human kinds, greatest problems, you know. Like, the country needs more Elon's and more SpaceX's and more tassels. - I have no skin color, but I must slur. (laughing) - But I must come. - Yeah. - Those filthy wire back clankers. - I know. - Dude, AI's. So what is, man, just so many directions to do with this. - Dude, I, this is like, you do a space walk. It just even now. - I wanted to go that direction. - I do, it is just a space walk. What was that like, the training that led up to that and then that moment where you're doing it because that has to be a religious experience. And then also fucking terrifying, the same thing. - Especially since I think like your space walk was unique, as far as like, I don't know what to say of whether or not it was like a first or anything, but like, well, it's a very elite club. - Yeah, I mean, look, I'm not big on like the first and that kind of thing. Like, I just, I care about the mission. There is one first from my last trip in space. Play or Storm, which I do, I do like to underscore because I think it's awesome. It's two of my crewmates, Sarah Gillis and Anna Men and became the women who've traveled farthest from Earth ever. I mean, and we talk about, is the Van Allen belt like this impenetrable wall? We were in it. We certainly got our fair share of radiation, but, you know, a year later, I'm still kicking here, man. They're doing fine. We get checked out all the time. So that was a cool story. - Was it actually like a serious problem that you guys were worried about the amount of radiation you were getting? - Not on us. We knew that basically, you know, our five days in orbit, we got the equivalent of radiation exposure of being on the space station for three months. So it's a lot. And by the way, the space station even goes through portions of the Van Allen belt. There's something called the South Atlantic anomaly where the Van Allen belt comes down really close about 240 kilometers above Earth. The space station is about 400 kilometers in change. So it goes through it all the time. Like, we deal with that radiation. We were more concerned about the vehicle because humans don't like radiation. Avionics don't like radiation. So we did a lot of simulations of like, what happens when we go full, you know, like Apollo 13 here on this? And we had bets between myself and the Capcom at SpaceX, which is the core. And, you know, it's a Capcom plus a really brilliant engineer. And he was like, I think you're not gonna have any alerts at all. Like, I think we really harden this thing. They actually took the avionics out of the dragon spacecraft and put it on a like a medical gurney to like a oncology lab and just chucked like protons at it. And they're like, it should be mostly fine. They showed us the videos and everything. And I was like, I think we'll still get alerts. We got alerts. - There's so that people don't understand. It is radiation what it does is it breaks down. Like the, I mean, literally the molecular level, it just breaks it apart. And that's why electronics suffer from it. - Well, for the human, I mean it can mess with your DNA and increase the probability of cancer. - They shred it and you can't, yeah, it's terrifying. - For the avionics, it can do one of basically two things. Usually it's like, we call it single event upsets. And they basically requires whatever those electronics are that were impacted, we have to reset them. And they usually come back. And then there's like, if it's really bad hits, it cooks them and you can't bring them back. And our sun, our mission, like the sun goes to high and low cycles and when it's angry, and when it's angry, it has lots of solar flares, coronal mass ejections. And when it chucks those things out, you basically get a warning of about, you know, like nine minutes time, you know, light travels from the sun to us. You get a little bit of a warning like, hey, you might have some, some serious dosage on its way. And you know, it looks really pretty on earth. You get the nice aurora, you know, it's like, oh, it's cool, like there's purple skies down in Alabama. That's the never seen that before. Well, if you're in space, you're freaking out. - I love how we've returned to like Aztec mindset. We're like, oh shit, sun's angry. - Yeah. - 'Cause that Corona suggestion, that is like, you are talking about an explosion is a wave of fire that is 80 times the size of earth that just explodes outwards and then that rushes at us. And that's where it's like, oh, thank God, we have this ozone layer because that is the only thing protecting us. - Yeah, Earth's magnetic spheres are, is our protection. And not of Taylor Swift has anything to say about it. (laughs) - And yeah, look, just, you can have like a solar flare coronal mass ejection and doesn't necessarily mean you've got some heavy ions coming your way or whatnot. But it's a good indicator that it might and that could be a problem. But I know you asked about spacewalk, but that was the first time I thought it was just really proud of like two crew members who were brilliant engineers. - It's cool. - Yeah, it was really cool. But spacewalk was awesome. We spent two years building a suit. And we started with the intro vehicular suit, which is a suit you see all the astronauts wear when they, you know, it's an IVA suit when they get in the spacecraft. And really, it's just a last line defense. You get a fire, you take a micro-media ride orbital debris, like look, there's a billion bullets whizzing around in space. Paint chips that come off of a satellite. And they're traveling 17,500 miles an hour. And there's a lot of energy when they hit a vehicle and they can go right through it. So you take a hole in the spacecraft. Oh, thank goodness I got the suit on. It pressurizes. Let's come home and it's emergency. But that is not a suit. You do spacewalking. You don't walk on the moon or Mars in it because when I think puffs up and fully pressurizes, you're like the marshmallow man, you can't move. So we had to start with that and put joints in. Bearing rotator cuffs in the shoulders and the wrists, gloves that actually had dexterity so that you can actually hold tools because what's the whole point here? The point is, if you get to the moon or Mars, you get outside your spaceship. And you discover things and you build things and repair things. So two years, the best minds there built an incredible suit. We took it into a vacuum chamber at NASA. We knew it worked. We developed a whole pre-brief to denitrogenate so we didn't have basically the bends of your decompression sickness. And we went out and it was cool as hell. - That's something you have to worry about is decompression sickness? - 100%. - No shit. - Yeah. - 'Cause I know like, so bends like when you're doing deep sea diving and stuff like that, that's something you have to worry about 'cause you have like multiple atmospheres worth of pressure. You have to worry about that in zero G. - Yeah, I mean, basically high to low is always the problem. So high pressure, low pressure, high pressure, generally building up more nitrogen unless you've denitrogenated your body. And then you go low pressure and that's your opening the can of soda. So when you're scuba diving, you go down like three, four atmospheres, whatever, you're breathing normal air, you're loading up nitrogen in your system, you return to the surface and you're begging all those bubbles come out of solution. That's what causes joint pain. And that's type one DCS is joint pain type two is you can have cerebral issues, cardiac issues and such. So think about it in the space walk. We're going from normal atmospheres like one atmosphere to zero except whatever's in your soup pressure. So you're going high to low and you absolutely can get DCS. People during testing got DCS, and when we were not any of the crew members, but there was a whole testing regime of how to denitrogenate. 'Cause we had no airlock. That's kind of key is on the space shuttle space station, you have an airlock. So you got an airlock. You can go and breathe a hundred percent oxygen, not worry about creating an environment where you can have a fire. We didn't have that. We had to throw air atmosphere. So we had to figure out a way to not breathe a hundred percent oxygen for a while and create a fire hazard. So our risk for DCS was higher. But we figured out and obviously we had no DCS hits. But I mean, even you read Michael Collins' book on the Apollo 11 mission. He talked about he would type one DCS on his Germany mission and then his Apollo mission. It's just he was just physiologically he was more susceptible to it. - Oh, sure. He didn't know what that time's looked like. Oh, wow. - I think he knew he's like-- - He was faithful, yeah. - He knew, but he was like, he's a fighter pilot and he's like, I'm not telling anyone. I tell anyone I get, I'm susceptible. It's like I'm getting pulled from the rotation. - Oh, dude, that is so true with the government. I'm gonna lie about everything. You threw vomit blood. That was grape juice. - Mm-hmm, fine. - It's like that's my spleen. Hey, Brandon, do you have cash app? - Brandon, I asked you a fucking question. - No, he lied, what's that? - Do you have cash app, Brandon? How did you do that? - Brandon, anything's possible when you use cash app. - Ugh, okay. - Moving money should be easy. Brandon, that's why there's cash app. - Wow, this is really easy to use. I have it now. 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We basically, the whole operation was just under two hours. We each had eight minutes outside the vehicle. The reason is we're breathing 100% oxygen. We had to bring all our own tanks for this. There's no air locks, we threw away our atmosphere so we had to repressurize the vehicle. So we didn't have much time out there and I'll tell you, it was not what I expected. So I'd went up before, we had the couple on my first mission which was the biggest continuous window in space and I'm like, I've seen the most beautiful thing you can imagine from space. It's probably gonna look like that. And I was wrong. It was so much more intense, it was a big sensory thing because not only did you have that visual stimulus of like you poke your head out and you're seeing earth right in your face. You've got all that, you got the noise of the oxygen flowing in, you got temperature, you're cold as hell. We were worried about overheating so it was like extra oxygen coming in to really cool you down. You got the exertion of moving against a suit pressurized to 5.2 PSI, so even any movement was exertion and it was overwhelming coming in but it was awesome. - And there's nothing around you. - Yeah, just earth out the front and then when you looked into the darkness of space that was like beyond settling. - Yeah, like what went through your fucking mind? Just looking at it. - Yeah, I mean that was a surprise 'cause I just did not think that it would feel differently but I've talked to other astronauts too. I was like, hey, how do you feel when you look away from her? 'Cause you don't always see the stars but I know it's another kind of conspiracy. You got to be in the right orbit where you're in eclipse 'cause if you have any light coming off of Earth it kind of drowns it out. So you need to be in eclipse, you need to move in the right spot and then yes, you can see beautiful Milky Way stars. But why I don't I always see it? Well, it depends. If the earth is illuminated, you're not gonna see stars. So I looked out and I've asked people like, what happens when you just look out in the darkness of space and astronauts have been like, man, it felt like I was swimming in ink. Like I've heard all these things and like most people generally agree is rather unsettling because you have an appreciation for just the vastness of space in front of you and everything you're looking at is trying to kill you. You have no atmosphere to breathe. You got, you know, bullets zinging by the micro meteorite that'll pierce your, not only your soup but your everything through you. You got radiation. My heart rate monitor went down from a rad hit 'cause we were actually in a high radiation portion of the orbit and it's just like whatever. That is our destiny to go out and explore among the stars and we're just gonna proceed with caution. - That is what a horrible sentence. - Dude, that's not lovecraftian. It's why humans have a problem with lovecraftian horror is this idea of, okay, when I look at a vast apprehension. - Yeah, and that is the thing. It's like you look out space and you're like, holy shit, I see nothing and you're like, okay, that's just our soul. Well, yes, the universe and everything but you're not seeing that. You're seeing maybe the Milky Way and even then you're not seeing much of that. - Yeah, I also love that not that you meant it this way but just like, yeah, I've asked other astronauts. It's a small club. - Well, I hope it's not for long. I don't like any of the, you know, you're lucky enough to get struck by lightning to be in astronaut. That's what I love about why all these incredibly rich people are allocating their resources to give a capability for the benefit of all humankind, which is we are destined to go out and explore. We have to, like our star at some point, gobble us up, you know, the dinosaurs aren't around for a reason, be cool if they were. Maybe with some of these cool science projects that some of these people are funding, we can, 'cause that would make the world more interesting place too if there was T-Rex's running around. - So your next move, can you do Jurassic Park? - No, I am looking on some of these people. 'Cause I think he will bring us as he's to get up the jets. - Star Jurassic Park. - I have an embarrassing story about this. - I want to hear this, yeah. - I don't think I've ever told this anywhere. - Where for? - When I was in fifth grade, I was one of those like really just autistic, focused kids that just like, I just, you know, Jurassic Park was like my thing. I wrote a letter to President Bush to ask for funding for a Jurassic Park program. - Nice. - 'Cause I was super about it. Like that was just my thing. I'm like, I watched the fucking movies. I read a book that was basically like, this is how you would do it. I talked to companies that were doing like genetic sequencing. You know, all the machines and whatnot, like acquiring of the fossils, you know, genetic deterioration. Like, I went on a deep dive at nine years old. I was just like, basically got a return letter back from the President that was like, stay in school. - Yeah. - Yeah. - It was one of those kind of things. - Now we have Jared, Jared, Sick Park. - No, this isn't for me, but there's enough people. There's people working on bringing the mammoth back. And it's like, why stop there? - We got the dire wolves. - Yeah, exactly, dire wolves, mammoth, T-Rex. World would be more interesting. I bet it would bring human kind of way closer, right? - Dude, I'm just gonna bully you into making raptors. - Yeah, I love a girl. - But these are all the good reasons why we inevitably have to press out. And that doesn't mean Mars is gonna be our infinite home. It's gonna suck at Mars for a really long time. But it's a stepping stone to go out. And like, this is the, this is I, sorry, it's human kind's greatest adventure. I mean, I have memories of being like geography class and like six grade like, well, everybody figured it all out. I mean, they found every island, they climbed every mountain. Like, what is there? - Oh no, that journey is nothing pales in comparison to what's out there and we're just getting started. - That's a lot of people don't. Every time mankind looks at it as, okay, we've discovered everything. It was first, here's the continent. Okay, okay, here's, now we have the world. Okay, it's flat. Okay, now we have, oh, holy shit, we're a heliocentric. Solar system model, it's not- - Your ego isn't big. - You're studying on this, and this is my fucking- - You aren't joking, this is my teasing dude. I'm like, this is the shit I'm never gonna talk about. So it is like, okay, we're heliocentric, but until then it's not known and then we, the Earth was the center and everything revolved around that. And now you're like, solar system and a holy shit. Okay, now we have, was it proximate centauri? That's our closest star, but that's like two light, three year light years away. - I think four light years are closest star. - And that is, triad and speed of life, it's gonna take four years, but everything we watch there is four years in the past and anything, they watch. Dude, this is- - It's always a global scale, until we're at, okay, we have now conquered this galaxy, and then that is just the Milky Way. - It's gonna be the next big thing, because it's almost like that steam punk era. We were right on the cusp of a lot of modern technology when it comes to machine-rein stuff like that. We just didn't know, like there's a million different ways to do it, and we were trying to figure out how, I feel like that's how early space travel is gonna be. - Oh, I mean, like, look, we are, I feel like, all right, if the Apollo program was probably in the kind of grand scheme of, not even our galaxy, just our solar system, was like, I don't know, ancient tribes hollowing out a log and sailing across maybe a decent lake. Like, that's really, I mean, and imagine when they saw, like, you know, the first, like, I don't know, you know, man a warship with tons of sails and mass, and they were like, wow, I couldn't even envision what this would look like when I was hollowing out my log, right, like, that's where we're at right now. Like, we, and that's also part of the reason, again, like, going down the nuclear propulsion path is like, sir, I mean, four light years away is pretty damn far. Like, if we are gonna really consider any serious exploration beyond Mars, you know, I mean, our solar system, let alone the galaxy around us, like, we're gonna have to go farther than chemical propulsion, because even, even raptors on, on starship, fully refueled in lower orbit is a great one way where you wanna go, like, you still gotta come back, so that puts the obligation on either mining propellant wherever you go, or you need another form of propulsion. - May or may not exist. - Yeah, I mean, it's it's, that's a lot of miracles that need to happen on any planet including Mars. - So, scale too, it's just like this year's scale. I don't think a lot of people conceptualize that. It is the sheer scale of space is where it's lost, like, four light years, I can be like Cody, four light years. Like, okay, traveling at the speed of light takes four years. It's like, okay, how fast can we go right now? What is the max speed mankind has done? - So, we have, I mean, we have objects, you know, like voyager and then we have, like, Parker Solar Probe, they go very fast, you're still at like, the fractions of a percent of the speed of light. I mean, fractions. - Voyager just left the solar system, what, a few years back, and that was four, 30, 40 years? - No, no, it was launching like the 70s. It was a long, 50 years, just to leave our solar system. - And it's small, and we're not even outside the orc cloud, like, this is, and that's why these go into the next star. It's like, holy shit, how do we get? - We need more exotic forms of propulsion. Start with nuclear. Start doing what industry can't do. Like, if the best and brightest can't work on this every day because there's no business model for it, and it's dangerous, I mean, this is the equipment we used to build nuclear weapons. Let the government do it, put the best and brightest on that, which, when no one else is doing it, it's gonna attract people who want to work on it. So, like, you kind of solve the talent problem. The government is working on the same thing, the Blue Origin and SpaceX and Rock Lab, all these other guys are doing. You're gonna go work there, 'cause it's probably a better quality way to get stock options and everything. So work on what no one else is capable of and then you build on that. So you start with nuclear electric and who knows where that goes. But we're gonna go from that hollowed out log to the sailing ship to the ocean liner and trying to avoid a couple of titanics along the way. - Why haven't they launched a nuclear spaceship? - So the Russians have put nuclear reactors in space. No one has done like a true NEP in space that a nuclear electric propulsion demo. In the 1960s, we did play around with this stuff. Like this is like the golden age of nuclear, we could do whatever the hell you want. And we had programs like NERVO where we had what's called a nuclear thermal propulsion. This is really exotic. It's a nuclear reactor where you spray hydrogen in it and it spews out a bunch of like radioactive exhausts that is very efficient and high thrust. Two really good things in space flight engines. The downside is you're just contaminating everything. So we stopped doing that. But it's actually not that much better than what SpaceX and Blue Origin working on. So what you do is nuclear electric, very low technical risk, highly efficient, not a lot of thrust meaning you can move a lot of crap to Mars, just not very quickly. But it's a stepping stone to building even more exotic forms of propulsion. But no one's done it yet, but I guarantee you, if we don't, we're gonna watch China do it and then we're gonna watch Russia do it. It is funny though, you're talking about all these, like, you know, giant problems. Like there's the speed element to it and whatnot. Like just how like far away all this stuff feels. You also have to remember that we were 66 years from two dipshits in North Carolina to bicycle mechanics flying something for a quarter of a minute. Yeah. You know, just barely getting something off the ground to literally landing on the **** moon. Right, brother. When you put it that way, it's like that's, that's insane to me. It's just that jump in human technology is just incredible. - It was like, how fast does the SR71, you know, you're like, - Mark three plus, which is in kilometers per hour. - I mean, 1,800, 1,900 miles an hour. - Yeah, maybe 2,000. - But what's crazy, Cody, is like, now you have speed of light is 299,792,000 kilometers a second. And that's where you're like, okay, that's a **** and big. And you can never travel that speed because then what, physics? So you have to theoretically, we're not quite sure if it's possible, I guess. - Yeah, well. - No, I mean, certainly Einstein doesn't think you can exceed the speed of light. That's cosmic speed limit. - I'm really glad Jared explained that to me. Like, so through really, because my monkey brain went to submarine have nuclear power. Why not put submarine in sky? So you explained it perfectly well. - Well, by the way, I mean, all these things you brought up is like, I get really charged up on this kind of stuff of like, man, we went from, you know, Kitty Hawk to putting astronauts in moon. We went, I mean, we built jet airplanes and we built the SR-71. We did all these big, bold, badass, ambitious programs. You want to talk submarines? We figured out the atomic bomb in 1945. Six years later, you lay the keel down on the nautilus and you say, you know what? We're gonna take this massive power. We're gonna, we're gonna slow these neutrons down and make a nuclear reactor so we can basically stay under the water until we run out of food or something and then we're gonna go under the North Pole. Big, bold, badass endeavors and we didn't fast, right? And now you can measure almost any like, really exciting project we try and, you know, take on as a nation against timelines of things we did in the past from like, Alan Shepard don't know shit about going into space. It's just up in, you know, what goes up must come down to, you know, landing on the moon eight years, right? You know, in the beginning of World War II, we had like four, two aircraft carriers. By the end of World War II, we built 125 of them, you know, over four years span of time. The first four class carrier was a 13 year project. But you can measure almost anything against the things that we did in the past and we were able to do big, badass, bold things in very short periods of time with things we knew very little about without all the computers and everything else. And now in a lot of cases we almost brainwashed ourselves like 10 year program, 20 year program. - Is it all that yellow? Do you think that because of it, they added a lot of yellow and red tape? Because we've experienced it working with the government. Like, Moa, we've seen it and that's what sucks. And do you think that chokes creativity and then technological advancement? - Well, I think also having a good competitor helps. Like, you know, we had the Soviets, you know, the Cold War was good 'cause like, - You want another Soviet, it's got it. - But the thing is, is we got a better one right now. Honestly, like China is, I mean, they're way better. Like they're moving incredibly fast on every important technological domain. They're doing it at like SpaceX speeds. It's scary because like this has real implications. There's, how many people were alive? Were like, you know, at a time where there was really a question of whether or not the US was the exclusive superpower, you know, where American excellence in anything we applied ourselves to was truly in question. That's real now. And if not, like you're fooling yourself and thinking like, oh, they're a third world country. So wrong. I can't believe how many people are dismissive about that. Space or quantum computing, like it's all those things. Like we're, it's, if you talk to anybody on the inside, like they're very open about talking about like, just this, I guess, quiet Cold War that we're in with China as far as just like who can continue to be the technological superpower on this stuff. - Yeah, they're doing it fast. They're willing to take risks. Like they're not riskless in the whole thing. And to your point, like I think like, you know, you're like, well, what is the problem, right? 'Cause I mean, like what's it cause? 'Cause we can complain about it all day long. Like there is a bureaucracy in some of this for sure that just like exists to serve itself and gets entrenched in the status quo. Congress can be guilty of that too. Like, well, I mean, even if it's for the good of the nation or whatnot, like I got to care about what's happening in my particular part of the country. And that can be working against the good of the, you know, of the nation, which wasn't always necessary. The case, you know, we used to have, you know, seven different companies making fighter jets. So like you could have some winners and losers. Now you got, you know, two that basically figured out that if you just build a part in every congressional district, everybody's happy. - You could walk on that horse. - Yeah, thanks. Even just listening to, you know, general George and all his people just talk about that exact thing. Where it's like, now okay, you have all these oversight committees that they're looking out for the people in their district and like, it's engineered that way now. And that's just such, it's the antithesis of what makes America great. - Yeah. - Like we're supposed to like, good ideas are supposed to rise the top on merit alone. And you just, - They choke it. - It comes a game. - Yeah, it comes a fucking game. - It is throttling it and choking it, 'cause we've gotta watch it firsthand. And thankfully we knew the right people that let they could undo stuff instantly. So it'd be like, you gotta watch it be like, okay, hey, it's set up for success. Just everyone good and then they get started. And then finally it's like, hey, they're fucking choking it. Like, hey, everyone, let them do them. And then success. Holy shit, that actually worked. It's like, yeah, crazy. We've been doing this for a decade at this point. We know what we're doing when it comes to social media and how to talk to people. - How painful is it to talk to people like us who know jack shit about space? - No, man, I love this stuff. I mean, this is like the coolest subject in the world. I mean, there's all the fun, peaceful side of it, which is great talk about. And like, you know, all the great reasons of what we find for the good of the world and all that. But then there's this serious side of like, where high ground matters. We don't know what we're gonna find out there that could shift the balance of power here on earth. And I don't wanna find that out the hard way. - Yeah, we don't like-- - Scary sense. - Yeah. - It's like, I mean-- - Anything that can make it here, we have no fucking chance against it. I will let anyone know that. If they can make it here, we have no fucking-- - Oh, that's actually a great lead-in. All right. Zero fucking chance. - Aliens. - Yeah. - Oh, they have. - What's your thought? - I mean, I absolutely believe that there's life out there. I mean, just-- - Do you think we've encountered it? - No. - I'm okay. - I don't, I mean, generally like people, you know, I don't think they're really good at keeping secrets. You know, you keep secrets that are really good, you know, that are important to the security of your nation. But like, really bad ones are things that this juicy. Big it out. The cosmic speed limit is a big thing that prevents it. But here's what I think, like there is, there's intelligent life and then there's life. And I think that generally people, when I talk to people, like, do you think there's life out there? They're like, oh yeah, well, there's two trillion galaxies. And every one of those, you know, galaxies got how many stars in it and how many stars are gonna have some potential planet in Habitals on? - Yeah, 100 to 400 billion stars, poor galaxy. - Yeah, so like sure, it must be out there, right? What happens if you find like, NASA just announced that we have a strong indication of, you know, form or microbial life on Mars. And if we can get those samples back, maybe it's conclusive. Okay, so it's Mars. What happens like Europa Clipper comes back and maybe has a similar evidence of a biosensure. It changes the game entirely from like, surely it must be out there somewhere to, maybe it's everywhere. I mean, and that would be unbelievable because that would be a great thing for space exploration because, you know, either a space economy is what's needed to fund an exciting future in space or the knowledge, conclusive knowledge that there is life out there and the demand for that knowledge is gonna be off the charts. Like, we're, it'd be the most fascinating thing. And obviously the most consequential discovery in human history. - Which Mars, when he said like Mars, they literally just announced that, okay. Well, just so everyone else is like, "Hey, this is, it's not 100% but I can't, we have a possibility." - Yeah, they have a biosensure and that if they can get those samples back and properly studied, maybe. And look, I think gods are good. We gods are good if you get some samples back from Mars, you're gonna prove that there was some microbial life at some point. - A lot of us are knowing 'cause this is like the eighth time in like the last 10 years that they did something like that. They're like, by the way, life on Mars and you read deeper, like we think, maybe, for these reasons. There's a lot of misinformation, even the Goldilocks Zone, you'll have, oh, Earth. He knows very well. He knows what he's talking about. This motherfucker watched two documentaries and is trying to gaslight us. Yeah, one of the Goldilocks Zone. Goldilocks Zone is from us or be from Earth to Mars, essentially, after Mars. And then it is, well, give or take. But a habitable zone for an exoplanet near a star. Like, theoretically, like, life could exist in that environment. Yeah, so Earth, one of the things that people will say is like, oh, well, if it moved a couple of feet, any which way we would burn up or we wouldn't survive that is, you horse shit. It was, we move in a liptical cycle and that is what's going to happen. Yeah, and we very many fucking like thousands of miles would we go around. Which, I mean, thank God, it's not that delicate. Yeah, and that's a, but that's the Goldilocks Zone. So it's like, hey, life can be sustained in this area. And then is it what type of plan is it? Is it Earth? Is it a super Earth? Because now Mars is 2x. So like, we would suck at a 2x. He knows what I'm talking about. Yes, he's good at that. Bone density, you have a, because it's on your two documentaries, he's. Two, yeah. But even like, spacewalk, space, mankind. Two times speed. Yeah. Mankind's not watching. I watched him on the flight. He's not pulling. He's not pulling. He's like, I'm going to learn this. Oh, yeah, mankind can't even do space. Like, we're not, we loom, like, calcium bleeds out from bone density. Like, you have so many issues just for my few months in space. Dude, I watched so much. You were just trying to impress the wizard, man. No, this is, I love this shit. This is like, this is another area I get charged about. Because like, we are actually getting to the point where we will have the technology, at least to get to Mars and then coming back as a whole other damn thing. We talked about making your own propellant to come home. But now we're getting to the point where it's like humans problem. You know, six to nine months, nine months probably get to Mars. Then a bunch of time to get back. And one third G, like, first year in microgravity to get there. Then one third gravity on Mars. We don't know what that's going to do and then come back home. You know, you obviously want to come back to tell the story on this whole thing. And like, yeah, it screws you up bone density loss for sure. You can have all sorts of vestibular issues, like cardiovascular issues, like tons of problems. And then how do you fix them? Like, we're not doing open heart surgery in space. We're not removing appendixes in space. You know, we haven't done that kind of like surgery up there. And then obviously the radiation environment and whatnot. And then there's this psychology of it, like, you're like, people have cracked in space. I said on the Sean Ryan. So I think you made it a little bit more extreme. But yeah, people have tried to kill their whole cruise in space. Like, people have had breakdowns in space. Highly screened individuals. Wait, hold on a minute. Yeah, hold back that pause. This is, that's real. I didn't see it. This is the short that goes viral. Yeah, because I didn't see a little bit of you talking about that on show. Because I was going to ask about the Sean Ryan show. Yeah. Because I got to see like a little bit of you talking about stuff like that. And that was one thing I wanted to cover because that's such a, we don't think about that stuff. It's very real. And I mean, look, there can be a lot of factors. People have like their hypotheses on this. Was it like, you know, scientists who are really, you know, plus not to mention you're graded up there under government programs. You screw up. You know, you might cost you a future mission. Is that enough to want to take out all your buddies? But it's happened. And it's happened on the US side and on the Soviet side. It happened at Mir. So it's not a one-time event. But the post, you know, the afterward like the post-flight interview, what is usually the cause? I mean, look, you don't know because it takes away from the hero image. But I'll tell you, like you go back to early shuttle days. Somebody flew generally once. Not more. That's not a broad categorization. I'm sure a lot. But like that usually was somewhat of an indicator that it didn't go great. But there were a hundred percent. Somebody did go for the hatch in the shuttle once. That's why they put a lock on the dragon capsule. And I say this because when you're in low Earth orbit, you know, you're basically, if we had to come home in an emergency on dragon, we're in the water in 90 minutes. I mean, you basically are on a 90 minute orbital period. You come back. You're in the water at your helicopter ride from a door dash, you know, burger and a pizza. So it's like not that big of a deal. If you're on the moon two and a half days, you come back. You know, you got your burger and a pizza. And you look out the window on the space station or on the dragon. It's a big Earth. It's like, it's there it is. I know what it looks like. It's home. And on moon, it's, you know, it's the it's the blue marble. It's gorgeous. So like your mind is like, it's I'm not that far away. You're on Mars. It's just tiny blue spec. And you could be over a year to come home. That's a that's an environment where nothing we've done here on Earth. And I all the credits, the analog astronauts, you know, they lock themselves in these shipping containers and try and create these stressors. But you're still under Earth. Still under one G. If I can. If I could throw a counter to that, just like a little devil's advocate. Please. I mean, it's kind of it reminds me a lot of like the the early exploration like of the the new world. Like when people were first coming to America where it's like, okay, that's a three to six month journey. You know, like it's completely you're cut off from all of the the old world that like all your your family, the life that you knew, you're going into completely new space. I love this one because this comes up a lot. Okay. And it's like, but the thing is is when you get to the new world, water's water, trees are trees, deer's deer, like, you know, and and if you work really hard, that's the other thing too is like what is the payback for this sacrifice life? Like I'm going to go out and hunt all these animals and sell the fur and then I'm going to build a bigger house for my family. And then it's like generational, my grandkids are going to have a nicer house. It's not going to work that way there. Like it is not water's water is not the same, you know, there's no, you know, we don't have trees. You're going to live in a bubble and you're going to work your ass off for your whole life to just survive. Every day will be miserable in that environment. You will never really feel good and you'll never really feel quite like that you do under 1G and you're not going to get out and be like, well, I've done and well enough that I can build a bigger bubble with all these resources I've collected. So it's going to be tough as hell and I think it's going to be like, you know, we're going to send missions there like we do to Antarctica and, you know, these people are not going to be doing it for their own colonization purposes. They're going to do it for their nation for what they may stand to learn. They're going to have like a tour of duty and they're going to come back home and that's it. That's what it's going to be like for a while because it's not like an environment where I guess no matter how comfy you get there, you were still genetically engineered through millions of years of evolution to here, like it here. Yeah, to be able to at least get out and like catch fish, you know, like I just think that, I mean, look, I think there's a really high probability if we don't get the right people in those first few missions, you're going to have like a Lord of the Flies event on Mars. Like people are, there will be people who will crack. People turn on each other. Yeah, I, it's going to just be ugly for if you don't have it right. I mean, so the whole thing when people are like, yeah, sign me up for a one-way mission to Mars is like, yeah, the last person I'd want on my crew, sorry, like I want people who love life and want to get the mission done and come back home and see the family. I want autistic people that are like, I am fine being by myself. Thank you. Yeah. And I'm like, cool, everyone do you. This is going to be successful. There's those theories that that's why Elon is doing the Optimus stuff is so that you'd have like robotic drones, essentially, to be able to perform human tasks there without the. Before we get there. Well, I think that, I mean, I just think the whole coming home part, I mean, it's very convenient. Like Elon seems to always be a couple steps ahead, everyone, which is without, without nuclear. There's no, there is no game plan to get them home other than like setting up football field size solar panels to create the power, which is not great. There's going to be dust and stuff to create enough energy to mine propellant and turn it into liquid oxygen and liquid, you know, liquid methane to come back home. And by the way, if thousands of people at Starbase to do that under one G in a normal atmosphere and it's, it's a lot of work. So the robots is an easy answer to it of like, yeah, sure, I'll just send a bunch on crude missions and put a thousand Optimus on it. And maybe that's going to, maybe that's going to work. And that's good. Let them do that. And I feel like let the government do what no one else can do is build some nuclear spaceships to help them out. So well, so let's say like, you know, fictional reality, we can magically put a pump jack on Mars. Okay. Do we know that there are those resources there? Like, do we know the, the, the mineral composition of Mars that there is any sort of propellant that's there that we could refine? Yeah, I mean, we know enough about what is already on on Mars and the physics behind it to make the propellant to come home. I mean, they were deliberate in picking, you know, I mean, you need like, you need liquid oxygen, but they were deliberate in picking methane. The hard part, you know, so you got a car, I mean, you got a carbon rich atmosphere and you've got a, I mean, CO2 atmosphere and then you got ice. So they can make a lot with it. It's just requires a ton of power to do it. And like, who's going out there mining it all, like again, it's robots, the only answer. But again, I'm like, I come back to get some nuclear spaceships up there and take, you don't have to put the whole burden on, on a SpaceX or Blue Origin, solve all these problems like the government 20 billion a year, or 25 billion, depending on which budget lands. It's a lot of money. I mean, think of what startups can do with, you know, a million bucks. Like, we, you know, NASA can do a lot of great things with that budget to help enable commercial industry to do these things. Dude, that is why I, it's, it's brain as you were saying, it's like, we evolved for, well, we're here for like, for like 80,000 years of just a home of sapiens. Here we are, like, to a T. And then the millions of years leading up to that, it is earth gravity at one X. That is the biggest thing. It's like, okay, when that shifts, what happens to human brains? Like, how am I reacting to this? We haven't had the ability to shift just that element for a long time. Like, it's ever, like fucking ever. Yeah, it's like the first generation pretty much. And now you get to see the reaction of people breaking or, oh, look at all these problems that happen from space. Huh? How do we get past this? Also, you read Aurora. It talks about that. It's like sending a spaceship. It's a book. It's sci-fi, but it is the idea of, okay? This episode of, like, Eli Man's Space to the Astronomers. No, it's a book. It's a book. It's a book. It's a book. I'm sitting over here having a good time. Yeah, like, I'm having a good time. I'm the best fighter. I'm loving this episode, this is my camera's in this. I just never get to talk about this ever in my fucking life, do I get to talk about it? - I told you this would be a fun episode. - I know, I never fought it. - That's why I'm not saying anything. I'm just like, I'm just watching you guys talk about space. - Well, man, hey, you know I'll bring it back to guns. You know that at one point the Russians had a space station up there with a gun on it. - Yeah, so I do know at one point with all their astronauts, they kept a gun on all of their ships. - On the Soyuz, yeah. - Because if they would land, they would have to defend themselves against bearers. - There's 100% back. - Because the, so I just finished it. - Like a gun top. - Like a gun, actual gun. - Not like a space gun, but like a gun gun. - That's shit. - I mean, first they actually did have a space station up like one of their salutes that actually had like an integrated gun in it. I don't know what it was for or what not, but no doubt this Soyuz, the Soyuz, oh yeah, we talk about the weapons in space, rods from God. Like what's wrong with it? - Oh, I'll do a kinetic bombardment shit. - Yeah, oh my. - Tungsten rods from space. - America was like, no, this doesn't work really that efficiently. - The hard part is getting them up there. - No, and then something's the atmosphere is like, oh, this is actually a huge issue also. Getting up and then coming back down it just is not efficient at all. - But you were totally spotted. So I read this book recently. It was pretty interesting called The Wrong Stuff. It just came out in like I think last two years. And it's all about Soviet program. During the early days of the space race and man, they had issues. You know, like first handful of Soviet cosmonauts when they came back, like Yuri Gagarin, ejected out of his spaceship. - No shit. - You and land under parachute. They kept that secret for decades. So yeah, Yuri Gagarin, obviously first man in space, not only that, first man in orbit. - He didn't get your safety brief. (laughing) - Well, I'll tell you what. I think he did, because he would have been, he would have been impacting pretty impressively in that, it wasn't so he was the postdoc, they were flying, but they had to eject. And for a while. - So they had to eject. Like it was going to, they were gonna. - You didn't die. - They didn't figure out the parachutes under the spacecraft. So they all ejected, they kept it a secret for a while. Totally wild. It's actually wildlife. They actually did a lot of skydiving training with their cosmonauts early days. And then when they did eventually figure out how to land in the spaceship, they'd land into the dirt. You know, we landed generally in water, 'cause it was a little bit softer. And it was like people describe it as a train wreck. And it wasn't accurate. So yeah, people like early cosmonauts would wind up like in the middle of Siberia and are getting like stocked by bears and they need guns. - Yeah. - There's a real deal, yeah. - I've read, "Klomerad, we landed dirt." - The Elon book that was written by Ashley Vance. It was like a biography thing that he basically talked about that in the early days of him going off and doing the things, you know, trying to figure out what he wanted to do and just all the different projects he was interested in. One of them was actually a space gun. Like he wanted to do like a laser rifle or like some sort of energy weapon or whatever. So Elon, I'm still interested in working with you on that. I think that would be fun. - It's still a wild idea to have a gun on the space station. - Well, I mean, for the Russians, it was just a necessity. - Yeah, it's still wild, I just was like, yeah. - I wanted to do a video on that for a while. With all the cool gun stuff that was out there, there was some video game that came out that was like astronauts fighting firearms in space. - Call of duty. - Call of duty did it, but there was one specifically that was just like straight up like astronaut kind of shit. But they're, I mean, with all the different, well, goddamnity like, I wanted to do a video for a while that's like shooting guns like actual, you know. - Yeah, now the physics of it, man. - Let me call this powder propellant in a vacuum where there's no oxygen to burn. Like whatever oxygen is just contained in the case, like see how guns operate, I think that's cool. - Well, there's no drop, that's dope. - Both is just gonna keep going straight forever. What's also going on? - I have atmosphere. - It's also a great pun, that's dope. - Yeah. - Then it destroys the civilization like 1,000 years from now. You see fire, you fire, you fire, you're going on in space. - Well, it's also like this. - It just keeps-- - Yeah, accidentally start a war with civilization trillion light years away. - Oh, so this is cool. - There is a meme, only like really crazy nerds know this one about starting a war with an ancient civilization. - Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. - Do you know? - The Starship? - Yeah, there's some great memes to that of the invading alien species taken out by a manhole cover. - Is the fastest moving object ever made by man? - I think they measured in what two frames? - I don't know. - Yeah, it might have been like one. - Yeah, it's like, and it's got, uh-oh. - That's what I'm saying, we got to get back to doing these big, bold, cool shit things again. - Especially when you see a manhole covers with a nuclear bomb in the space. - We've come for the one you call Akami's Sewers. (laughing) - Was that one of the Manhattan project things? Is that what that was? - What was testing on? - The Vonna, yeah. - The underground nuclear program stuff. - Yeah, when we do all the cool, crazy stuff. And also, very did not care about soldiers. We're like, "Okay, now walk towards the bomb." - But to be one of those guys, that's pretty accurate. The videos that came out of that, come on. - Oh, dude. What? - The floor shit's so cool. - Dude, what makes you most excited next in space exploration or just space in general? - I mean, look, we're gonna get back to the moon. There's no question and, like, I wasn't alive for it. My kids weren't, I wanna see this happen. And I don't want it to be a one and done plant the flag, redo of Apollo. Like, let's have the ability to go to and from the moon with frequency and affordability. And let's set up a moon base. And let's figure out if there's a reason to stay for a while. Like, are we mining helium three? Are we using it for fusion power here on Earth? That's cool. Or whatnot, and then move on. Because one thing I'll tell you, is if when Americans get back to the moon, it means either blue origin or SpaceX or both were successful with reusability of heavy lift launch vehicles. It's not like, maybe it has to happen. It's the only way to get the lander to the moon. And when they do, it means we will have the capability now to send that kind of mass towards Mars. And it was interesting, like, during my Senate hearing too, and it was like, everybody was so hard on that. And the Republicans and Democrats were so protective of Artemis and getting back to the moon as if I wasn't. Like, we're talking about, I love space. Of course, I want to see Americans get back to the moon. Like, they were almost attacking you over a hundred percent. 'Cause they thought, again, they thought I was like this. Even the Republicans, they thought I was like this, you know, Elon pawn that only cares about Mars. Like, what Elon knows is that if you have the ability to get to Mars, you absolutely can get to the moon and damn near anywhere else you want to go in the solar system as well. So I was like, of course, I want to get back to the moon. But if you can, and when you can, it means that SpaceX or Blue Origin was successful, which means in parallel, you've now developed a heavy lift capability to send mass that matters to Mars. That's pretty damn awesome. - So fucking dope. - Yeah, that was what I don't know. I guess drove me crazy a little bit about all of your Senate confirmation, everything like that. 'Cause like, you, in my opinion, in my humble opinion, for whatever it's worth, would have been the most overqualified head of NASA since the organization was made. - And being generous. There's a lot of smart people that, like, way smarter than me, they could run NASA, but I was honored to have a shot, you know. - I'm excited to see what you do going forward, whether it's with NASA or whatever you end up doing. I mean, you're relatively, compared to your accomplishments, you're a relatively young guy. I think you got some cool stuff in story, and I'm just excited to see what that turns into. - And I appreciate it, so, thank you. But, yeah, Paul, good. Do you want us just trying to get to the moon? - No, I mean, he very much, like, that criticism was kind of somewhat rifle that he does have a, I mean, basically, it's basics, almost everything they put investment or research dollars into, the question is, does this help us get to Mars? But it's not, it's with the idea that if you can do that, then you can also go to the moon and everywhere else. It's kind of thinking, you know what it's like? It's like, I use this example a lot because there was recently a hearing where they brought in some former NASA administrators to talk about the current construct to get back to the moon with Blue Origin or SpaceX using rockets that have to refuel in lower-thorough bit. And they were all like, it's a terrible idea. We should just go to the moon, like we did the Apollo program, which is a single rocket that does everything. And that would be the equivalent in the 1950s of like, it was like, well, we need to be able to have bombers that can go hit Russia. Well, just make the bomber way bigger then. Make it so big it has all the gas. Or someone's like, I got a great idea. What if we make it so we can refuel our planes in the air and then we can literally send them wherever we want? It doesn't just have to be, you know, Russia, we can send them anywhere. They can fly around the world 10 times we want. Sounds like a good idea. That's what blue war, that's what, that's what your nation's brightest minds, some of the wealthiest individuals who found a lot of success that said, you know what, I'm gonna put all my money into this idea that we can do basically air-to-air refueling in lower-thorough bit and send our spaceships anywhere. And the government's mindset is like, nah, just build it bigger so it can only go to the moon instead of being able to use it everywhere. It was like, so yeah, that's where he cares a lot about Mars 'cause he knows for the good of human kind. We need to become a multi-planetary species but he also knows if I can do Mars, Moon's just a walk in the park. - All right, I'm gonna, so I, - Hear me out, my theory, real quick. Have you seen Django Unchained? - A word that's going-- - A word that's going. - One time, a while ago, yeah. - I nervous Cody, where's his going? - When you go-- - Who's that pickle wood boy? - Okay, we're not going that direction. - Well, since if I choose that pickle wood it blows the glass. - Jerry, you mean Jerry. - Okay, so when you go to a man, you want to buy the horse. You don't try to buy the horse, you try to buy the farm, and then it'll sell you the horse. So I'm thinking that and, like, Elon's analogy there. Like, he wants to go to Mars, but maybe the government will let him go to the moon. - Yeah, I'm saying. - I think, like, I mean, I think really, like, the moon has no atmosphere. There's no protection from solar radiation. It looks pretty ugly. I mean, it gets hit by meteorites all the damn time. Like, you wouldn't want to be there like that. Mars is a planet. It's a real planet, not a moon. It's got an atmosphere. He knows that's the best. It's not a great option, but it's our best option for an outpost as a stepping stone to go even farther. But he also knows, if I can build a vehicle, I can go to another planet. I sure as hell can go to Mars, back to the moon. And it's not a binary thing. It's not one or the other. Like, the capability enables a lot. And Blue Origin's exactly, that's what you know it's a good idea 'cause Blue Origin's ability to send their land or to the moon also requires doing the same thing of refueling in lower orbit. So it's absolutely the right call. But what's the ultimate prize? The ultimate prize to go where we've never been to planet other than our own. - There's a lot of it. Then seeing the rover watching that, the first time he's like holy shit. And then watching it. - My battery's low and it's getting dark. - It didn't. It lasted a good time, but they were like, oh, we did not compensate for a lot of this shit. The wheels broke down. There was a lot of issues with it going there. Like, okay. - Poor Flanker. - Billing dollar rovers, man, they didn't pretty well, I guess, for a lot of money. - Yeah, that one gets this all day. - No, just as a like a Star Wars nerd, clearly. I mean, you got a soft spot in your heart as I do, obviously. But the thing that you keep mentioning is like just the refueling in space. And just like the thing that comes to my mind is like Star Wars episode two, where they have like the Starfighter thing that it just docks into. And like, that does the interstellar travel. And then the Starfighter will break off. Like the thing Obi-Wan was in. - Yeah, yeah. - Like that, to me, that seems like it makes sense, especially when you're talking about like nuclear stuff. - 100%, so actually that's like exactly what people should envision of a, what, I mean, like a nuclear tug just sounds like less exciting. So that's why I call it a nuclear spaceship. But it's really, it's like a railroad track from lower orbit to the moon or Mars. And it's just this nuclear train that goes back and forth. Like here, Boseman, there's lots of train tracks around, you know, it's like, you know, if you, if you gotta send a letter next day air, you know, you just, you know, it can go on like a FedEx plane or something. But if you have to send a ton of like coal or iron or something, put it on a train. It's really efficient. It may not be the fastest way to go. That's how you should think nuclear spaceships and you should totally think of it like a tug. Whereas you might contract with SpaceX or somebody to put, I don't know, basically this equivalent, these materials to build a city on Mars, for example, on the lower of the orbit. And then it, it docks when a nuclear space tug, if you will, or a nuclear railroad track. And it sends it and it might take like 18 months, instead of nine months, but it's so much more efficient to get there and then it can come back. You don't have to keep refueling it. - So you have two separate vehicles for like, so you got an atmosphere breaker and then you have what takes you the rest of the way. - Yeah, fight, fight, grab it, you get to lower the orbit, hand it off, then let it come back land, do another mission up into space and then let the highly efficient nuclear railroad take all that mass to Mars. - Save all the energy. - Yeah, there's no, like we 100% should be doing it because I mean, it has a lot of applications when, you know, in space just besides that and the bad guys are gonna wind up doing it if we don't. - Yeah, so we want to be the ferryman, except, instead of China or Russia or somebody like that. - Yeah, it's not just, I mean, like if you have a lot of power, you can make things with lasers and stuff and you don't want, yeah, you want us to figure that out first. - Fair enough. - It's all our toll rolled. - That's wild, god dang. - God, that's crazy stuff. - It should scary. It's just, it's a wild, I mean, obviously, you know, not to state the obvious, but it's a wild new frontier. - Yeah, but exciting, because it is a new frontier that we get to, you know, go out and explore and do things and but yeah, we can't lose. I'm like, our skills can't be atrophying right now. A lot of, even the best people, not to be our accuracy, that want to do good things, have scar tissue, right? Skills atrophied from just being told no for too long, you know, or feeling defeated from trying to do awesome things and being, you know, stepped on or whatnot. And we can't be in that state while the other guys are like, full steam ahead. - That's a leadership that's, like, that's why, it was brand new saying, it would be awesome to see you in that leadership position because you have that exact mindset and then your employees will also know, it's like, yeah, boss wants us to keep kicking ass and thinking outside the box. - 'Cause you don't even seem to be like a partisan guy, you're just like, space, I like space, I want us to win at space. And like, that's exactly who we need in those leadership roles for space. - Yeah, I mean, I want America to win in space. I mean, you know, I inspired generations to do even cooler things because of what the pioneers in the 1960s accomplish. And even the shuttle guys in the 70s and 80s. And yeah, I want America to lead in the ultimate high ground of space and ensure that, you know, that domain is safe for all sorts of science and discovery and all the exciting things to follow. So that's what I'd love to see happen. Before we close this out, what is one of your favorite sci-fi, other in Star Wars? - Okay, it's Battle Star Galactica hands down. I mean, look, it's honestly, it's better than all that. - That was so fun. - Dude, you look like Don on this. - I mean, we've got fighter jets. We've got top gun in there. We've got the wipers. You know, there's tons of dog fighting with the silons. We've got terminator in there. They look, I mean, they're robots that try and exterminate humans and we've got space ships. The only thing it doesn't have is a lightsaber. - I love that. I mean, it really checks all the boxes. - I love it. That was the fastest. - Where are you guys at on the quick? - Where are you guys at on this one? - Oh, shows. - You can't take Star Wars or Star Trek. - Star Ship Troopers. - Okay. - Yeah. - It's my favorite bad film. - Yeah. - I can see it all. - I can see it all. - It's just a shit film. I'm sorry if that pisses people off. It's not a good movie, but it's one of my favorites. I watch it at least once a year. It's, I mean, that's fine answer. - I have a marita assault rifle from the movie. - Okay. - Like an actual film use problem. - I gotta look this shit. I gotta look it up. - Three-body problem. - Cowboy B-Bop. - Oh, good choice. That's a really good choice. I mean, you're leaning into this, dude. Like, you're really, you're really, like an academic in this whole thing. - Cody, he's got Cody on his three-body problem too. - I can't wait for this next season. - Yeah. You read the books? - No, I just really dig the Netflix. And I, it's a horrible admission I haven't. You know, I'm really, I like a lot of the nonfiction, but, good choice. Holy shit, dude. We're at the first stop before we close. And where do we find you? Like, social media. - I'm pretty much on just X-Wang and on things I shouldn't. - Well, what do you wanna push there? You help so many charities, you help non-pro. - I can also do that a little bit too. Like, you have a Netflix mini series. - Like, from the first mission. - Yeah. - Yeah. - It's less, less base technique, techy things, but more like humans and such going to space school. - I'm not that interesting. - Yeah. - Right. - What was that called again? - Countdown, yeah. It was called Countdowns on Netflix, but. - Yeah, it was just really cool. We had a very inspiring crew for Inspiration 4. And in terms of the things that I care a lot about, that whole documentary and everything really about the mission was raising a quarter of a billion for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. Yeah, that to me is just absolutely like, the worst thing we're like, when we're doing all these amazing things, we're flying in fighter jets. We're sending people up into space. We're gonna go to the moon and Mars. And yet some kids just get dealt this absolutely sh*t hand in life. They don't even live to be teenager. I absolutely, I can't stand it. So they have like SpaceX's vision, is the world is a more interesting place when people can journey among the stars. And then you got St. Jude's mission vision, which is no child should die in the dawn of life. I subscribed to both, 100%. - And you love that, the people that are old. - Well, we have no problems here. It's like, well, you can do both. - 100%. - 250 million f*cking dollars to help kids with sickness. Like, that's incredible. It's awesome. - That is. - And you love it. - It's 55 million of that too. For half the people out there, don't know the heart and the guy's got. But 55 million to defeat childhood cancer is pretty good. - Yeah, that's the stuff. I mean, we like, you're gonna see all of us. That's all, like, we give, being able to raise money and then donate, like, we do two times a year. It's all profits we will make off of merch or whatever that month we donate. - It's awesome. - Thank you for, if I can dime for this, this is going for autism, special needs, and then veterans, and then St. Jude's, we've helped in the past where it's like, hey, like, - There's a lot of good cause out there. And we absolutely can do both. It's not binary thinking on this whole thing, so. - It's not being such a good human. We hate that so much. (laughing) - We can't thank you enough for coming on, man. This has been incredible. - Thanks, guys. I appreciate it. - Holy sh*t dude, this has, God, this has been an amazing podcast. And thank you, again, for the amazing day also, lending your jets and time in the air with your crew. - We love doing this, and we owe you a flight tomorrow. - So, now you get it done. - Let's see. - Cody pulls it out, you beautiful son of a bitch. - Bye, everyone. Thank you for joining the Unswrighted podcast. I was joined today by Eli Double Tap. Jared Isaacman, Brandon Herrera, myself, Donald Operator, thank you so much for being here. - We love you, see you next time. - You're gonna pick up that water bottle now. - Kisses. - Thanks, guys. (upbeat music) ♪ Mama ♪