Who You Meet Down America’s Forgotten Backroads - Peter Santenello - #1132

What was your original inspiration? What drove you to do this? I was here in Austin. It's so cool because I lived here early 2000s, worked as a waiter at Fleming's Steakhouse. And I just had these dreams of traveling the world. Can't wait to see the world one day because I didn't travel growing up. Our family didn't go anywhere. Always wanted to go to Europe. And my goal was save $20,000 in two years, go to Europe. Seven months, get a Ducati in Italy, rip that thing through the ops, send it home, have my life figured out. Bro, that's a fucking dream. That was a dream. That is an absolute dream. But then I went, I did a winter in Switzerland, snowboarding, doing every job imaginable. And then flew. I'm like, what's this place called? The Republic of Georgia. I've never heard of that. I took a one-way, Republic of Georgia, landed. All the mafios got off the plane, which was the whole plane. The BMWs were waiting for them. Sped off on the. On the tarmac. It was me in the airport. It was so corrupt at that time, had to pay a bribe to get into the airport. Had to pay a bribe if I wanted to enter. He's like, $20. I said, what for? He's like, you enter through me, $20. So when you're young and curious. How old are you? I was 26, 25 then. 25, 26. So when you're young and curious and adventurous, there's nothing better. Dangerous combination. There's nothing better. That's a fucking dangerous combination, dude. Yeah. So Georgia was like the gateway drug. That would be like. Where is Georgia? So you're south of Russia, Caucasus Mountains on the Black Sea, Armenia right below, Azerbaijan, sort of near Turkey. Borders Turkey, actually. Okay. So like on the east side, let's say. We're Bulgarians over here on the western side of Turkey, east side. But that was the gateway. And then you're like, where can I go from here? And you look on a map and you're like, huh, Tajikistan. What's that like? And so instead of going back in seven months with the Ducati, I scrapped the Ducati idea. I'm like, ah, I can always save money, but I'll never be able to travel like this again. Maybe never. So I'm going to go all the way around. And it was 50 countries, two years. Ran out of money in Uzbekistan. Great place to run out of money, I imagine. Yeah. Flash advances on my credit card for like 25% interest. And it was the best debt I ever got because it was like, here's my moment. And at that age, you sleep anywhere in anything. Were you filming any of this? Were you making? No. No. So I imagine if you'd had the GoPro back then, holy shit. You know, I'm glad I didn't because I got to see the world without thinking about making content. Yeah. Because you know what making content is. It's not all fun and games. It's work. You have to get the story. And I was totally free at that time just to let my imagination go wild. So that's what kicked off the international interest. But back to Austin, I'm working at Fleming's Steakhouse, dreaming of seeing the world. And it was here. I'm looking down from my hotel. I'm like, that's the place I used to work. It's closed down now. And I'm like, wow. How did that feel? I think Steve Jobs said it best. I'm not going to. Said as well as him, but he said, like, you can never see it going forward. Connect the dots of where your life's going, but you can look back and connect the dots. Only makes sense in reverse. Yeah. Life has to be lived forward, but only makes sense in reverse. Right. And so that was one of these big moments where I'm like, wow, if my younger self at 21 serving the porterhouse steak, which I still remember the tenderness of the flight. No, the favor of the flay. No, the tenderness of the flay. But the flavor of the ribeye, the porterhouse. That's how you sold it? That's what you need. I sold it better, but I can't believe I was still in my brain because our manager was banging us over and over and over and over again. But if I could have seen then waiting tables where I was this morning, well, just a half hour ago in that hotel and where my life went, wow. So it was just curiosity, a dream, a lot of luck, a lot of hard work. What do you think that young version of you would think? If you were able to show him where his life went from there? It would be way more than I could have ever imagined. Yeah. Beautiful. Because the world's an amazing place. And living abroad teaches you as you're living abroad. I don't know if you consider this as your home country now? I'm kind of unsure on that, to be honest. I did. I was telling you, I did a little bit of self-work before the meditation retreat a few weeks ago. And as a part of that, one of the questions that came up is, where is your home? And I found myself really conflicted when trying to answer it. Because I kind of don't know. I kind of don't know where home is. Here, this is where my business is. And it's a country that I love. And I certainly feel welcome here in a way that I wasn't in the UK, but I'm definitely not fucking American. Right? The second that I opened my mouth, I'm evidently, not American. I don't have the same cultural landmarks and understandings and historical context that you need to kind of be able to survive. Something that's really interesting, I wonder whether you've noticed this, people who immigrate to other countries that speak the same language that they do natively, their foreignness or the fact that they're an immigrant gets forgotten. And then it resurfaces itself in surprising ways. So if I go to Brazil, even if you're speaking English with someone, their accent is so evidently perverted that you're always reminded of the fact that you're a foreigner. You're always reminded over and over and over again. But you go to a country that speaks your native language and you kind of forget for a little while that you're not from there because it's just seamless communication. And then you try to use a reference. I try to talk about Jaffa Cakes or Cadbury's milk chocolate or the or whatever. And which obviously those are the four horsemen of British culture. And then you go, I can't do that. I can't do that. I forget that I'm a foreigner. You forget that you're a foreigner in a country that speaks your own language. And it's really, it's good because it allows you to integrate very quickly and you don't feel as alienated, I imagine, as you might do if you weren't speaking a language. But then the alienation sort of jump scares you. It creeps up on you every so often, hits you, and you weren't really expecting it. And that's something that I think is really, really important. It's something that I've noticed since I've been here that I think if you were in a country that didn't speak your native language, you would be very regularly reminded of that. And you would probably give yourself a bit more grace of, hey, if you're feeling a little alienated every so often, that makes sense. But then you come here and you're like, well, what are you whining about? Everyone fucking speaks the same language. You've got your O-1 visa. You've got the bank accounts. You've got the health insurance. What are you complaining about? You go, I get that. But you're alien here. Don't you feel that when you live abroad, you learn more about your home country than being at home? Dude, that's a- That's what the world taught me. That's a George Mac line as well. He said the exact same thing. He moved to Dubai, learned more about the UK, being in Dubai, than he'd ever learned being in the UK. Yeah. Yeah. So I thought my goal was to show the world that, look, most people have an idea of the UK or France or Italy. And when you get on the ground, things are always more complicated and nuanced and more granular. But I wanted to show the Republic of Georgia. I wanted to show Syria, these places that only get negativity in the press. That was the goal. That's how this all started. Show Americans the world they don't know. You know how many Americans went on a single flight last year? Less than half of Americans got on a plane in 2025. 45% of Americans got on a plane. 55% of Americans didn't. And I think it's some insane number don't even have a passport. I don't know the percentage. So I used to be a little harsher on that. But what I realize in my work now, most people, two weeks of vacation. That's Christmas. That's Thanksgiving. That's family. Yeah. You've got obligations. So I get it for a lot of people. Me personally or you, you're curious. You want to see what's out there. And I think it's more possible than most people think, especially when you're younger. Like your choice. My dad was in a profession where you're getting two weeks a year. He's not seeing the world. So I'm not going to do that profession if I want to see the world. It's pretty easy. You can sort of line things up and be like, if I go that direction, I'm not going to do what I want to do. I want to do the most. Okay, don't go that direction. What are some of the lesser known but amazing destinations that you think people should go to if they're looking to travel outside of the US? Like a surprising great trip. Are you going to tell me that Syria is like a hotbed for a weekend getaway? Jared, can we go to the, we made a special setting. So I know that you sometimes go to some dark and mysterious places on your travels. So we can change the vibe inside of the studio. and we've made a setting, you're going to be the first person that we use this new one on you can put some dark music with me uh i think just the the darkness of the stories will probably do enough but okay would i say for anyone to pack up and go to syria first trip abroad no definitely not when i went was christmas time i flew in from moscow two in the morning and it was all the lights the green lights from above and those were all the mosques and i got in the cabbie and this was during george w bush and the cabbie was like the driver was like what do you think of george w bush and i was against the iraqi war and i just knocked off some pejoratives and he loved it he was like i was like f fgw blah blah i'm in texas am i gonna have problems with saying that um he he was getting excited and all giddy and then i'm like what do you think about bashar al-assad and his giddiness firmed up he got tense and he's like bashar al-assad is a good president but he didn't feel that way and that was the first time i really realized how important free speech is how if you can't speak your mind then it controls your behavior i saw him tense up and i was like here i am in the middle east saying whatever i want and this guy's at home and is worried even in his own car that this is going to be a problem so damascus christmas time santa claus is everywhere who would have thought christian population there old damascus met great people stayed with locals in their homes but for americans getting abroad i would say you want something that's culturally very different but still easy to travel istanbul turkey okay that's a good middle road if you want full-on user-friendly to where you're from right seamless integration it's easy did you see i've i saw this uh news article earlier on an lgbt cruise uh set off from the u.s trying to land in turkey and they wanted to experience turkey it's a cruise of like there's a lot of fruit going on it's high levels of fruit on this on on the the cruise they look like they all of the guys look like they're having an amazing time i'm sure it's really great um but they arrive they arrive to turkey and what the that's not gonna go they were like you're not coming like you're not you're not you're not you're not you're not coming here so i guess there is a little caveat which is make sure that your sexuality aligns with the local yeah customs yeah i love i love the middle east um traveling there has been great very hospitable with people but hey culture is different don't don't fuck a dude while you're there yeah i wasn't going to but uh yeah yeah definitely very important yeah that's not gonna go over well yeah uh the rainbow flag in downtown uh tehran or isn't uh isn't happening did you know your gut controls your energy your recovery how well you absorb everything that you eat and the one nutrient that keeps it all running properly is fiber well it turns out that 95 of americans don't 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that you understand maybe the least yeah there are quite a few trips that was the big one came back at 26 and i just changed my whole perspective on everything and um fast forward quite a bit until 38 what is it 40 no 42 living in ukraine lived there for four years my wife's ukrainian okay uh pandemic brought us back because i shot roughly 50 videos in ukraine pretty much tapped out pre-war? pre-war wow yeah i got some that's where it all started actually tell me about that uh started in the countryside i was in i'll give you a little bag just a little context to it i tried to pitch a travel tv show in 2011-12 to all the networks in la i was flying there every six weeks trying to pitch i made a teaser reel hey guys so i want to show americans the world here's the concept we're gonna we're gonna hang out with locals we're gonna get into the world we're gonna get into the world we're gonna get into the world we're gonna get into their stories and the response was like who who are you and wait what's the rising action in that and what no door closed door closed door closed for about a half year so i gave up on the whole travel concept because this was youtube was a thing but to make your life off youtube i didn't very few people were doing i didn't see it at that time um so i went on different ventures i had a business that i had no idea what it was i had no idea what it was i had no idea what it was i had no idea what it was i had no idea what it was uh a small business that pretty much paid my uh a small business that pretty much paid my uh a small business that pretty much paid my bills but i was always trying for something more bills but i was always trying for something more bills but i was always trying for something more interesting something i love so i developed this interesting something i love so i developed this interesting something i love so i developed this app that connected people through common app that connected people through common app that connected people through common interests so you're going to germany you love interests so you're going to germany you love interests so you're going to germany you love running you date activity connects you with running you date activity connects you with running you date activity connects you with that person at that time who doesn't like to that person at that time who doesn't like to that person at that time who doesn't like to hang out with people that have similar hang out with people that have similar hang out with people that have similar interests interests interests uh just way over my skis i was living in uh just way over my skis i was living in uh just way over my skis i was living in san francisco i was pitching that san francisco i was pitching that san francisco i was pitching that pitching that wasn't working so around pitching that wasn't working so around pitching that wasn't working so around 38 i'm sitting in golden gate park 38 i'm sitting in golden gate park 38 i'm sitting in golden gate park trying to figure out what i'm going to trying to figure out what i'm going to trying to figure out what i'm going to do with my life do with my life do with my life no clue i'm like i have to do something no clue i'm like i have to do something that's interesting and meaningful that's interesting and meaningful that's interesting and meaningful i have my business limping me along it's i have my business limping me along it's i have my business limping me along it's nothing i really want to be part of but nothing i really want to be part of but nothing i really want to be part of but i have to do it to pay the bills i have to do it to pay the bills i have to do it to pay the bills i'm reading books about i'm reading books about i'm reading books about philosophy and just business and trying philosophy and just business and trying philosophy and just business and trying to come up with something to come up with something to come up with something my buddy moves to ukraine he had a dev my buddy moves to ukraine he had a dev my buddy moves to ukraine he had a dev team over there he had a startup team over there he had a startup team over there he had a startup i went and visited he's like dude why i went and visited he's like dude why i went and visited he's like dude why don't you just stay right now don't you just stay right now don't you just stay right now and uh sublet in my apartment in san and uh sublet in my apartment in san and uh sublet in my apartment in san francisco francisco francisco and moved over to ukraine and so the and moved over to ukraine and so the and moved over to ukraine and so the first stories started when i was in first stories started when i was in first stories started when i was in ukraine ukraine ukraine i had a turkish buddy say hey man you i had a turkish buddy say hey man you want to learn the language want to learn the language want to learn the language go to the countryside and so i went out go to the countryside and so i went out go to the countryside and so i went out to the far reaches of ukraine to the far reaches of ukraine to the far reaches of ukraine which is where i was is de facto russia which is where i was is de facto russia which is where i was is de facto russia now now now and live with this family whose and live with this family whose and live with this family whose apartment got bombed out apartment got bombed out apartment got bombed out in the far east of the country they in the far east of the country they in the far east of the country they moved to the countryside had moved to the countryside had moved to the countryside had zero nothing nothing materially zero nothing nothing materially zero nothing nothing materially six weeks there six videos six weeks there six videos six weeks there six videos we even dug a well by hand we even dug a well by hand we even dug a well by hand transformative experience i mean i was transformative experience i mean i was transformative experience i mean i was sleeping on a mattress straight out of sleeping on a mattress straight out of sleeping on a mattress straight out of the romanov dynasty springs going through the romanov dynasty springs going through the romanov dynasty springs going through my back my back my back it was uh do you open the window it was uh do you open the window it was uh do you open the window at night and get the room down to 88 at night and get the room down to 88 at night and get the room down to 88 degrees degrees degrees and smell the neighbor's trash burning and smell the neighbor's trash burning and smell the neighbor's trash burning or you close it and have a room at 94 or you close it and have a room at 94 or you close it and have a room at 94 and smell less trash and smell less trash and smell less trash okay so very primitive conditions but okay so very primitive conditions but okay so very primitive conditions but the ukrainians loved it the ukrainians loved it the ukrainians loved it they ate it up because i was doing things they ate it up because i was doing things they ate it up because i was doing things like selling corn on the beaches and like selling corn on the beaches and like selling corn on the beaches and berdansk berdansk berdansk because uh kukuruza they say they call it because uh kukuruza they say they call it because uh kukuruza they say they call it people sell corn on the beach i was people sell corn on the beach i was people sell corn on the beach i was walking around walking around walking around and there's a corn mafia there that and there's a corn mafia there that and there's a corn mafia there that controls the beach controls the beach controls the beach hi i'm i know exactly what if this hi i'm i know exactly what if this hi i'm i know exactly what if this podcast thing goes to i'm becoming podcast thing goes to i'm becoming podcast thing goes to i'm becoming part of the ukrainian corn mafia you part of the ukrainian corn mafia you part of the ukrainian corn mafia you should should should the kukuruza mafiosa was all over my the kukuruza mafiosa was all over my the kukuruza mafiosa was all over my shtick shtick shtick wow and they ran me off that beach just wow and they ran me off that beach just wow and they ran me off that beach just gringo selling gringo selling gringo selling yeah but we made a video of it and the yeah but we made a video of it and the yeah but we made a video of it and the ukrainians loved it right cool so ukrainians loved it right cool so ukrainians loved it right cool so you got big in ukraine got bacon i got you got big in ukraine got bacon i got you got big in ukraine got bacon i got ukraine famous i was on all the ukraine famous i was on all the ukraine famous i was on all the television television television i was all all over tv and i was like no i was all over tv and i was like no way yeah this thing can actually work way yeah this thing can actually work way yeah this thing can actually work and then i went to iran and then i went to iran and then i went to iran and i had free range in iran wow you and i had free range in iran wow you and i had free range in iran wow you really managed to front run all of the really managed to front run all of the really managed to front run all of the biggest kinetic flash points yeah you biggest kinetic flash points yeah you biggest kinetic flash points yeah you just got there you were like the trends just got there you were like the trends just got there you were like the trends have you considered that you might be have you considered that you might be have you considered that you might be the harbinger of the harbinger of the harbinger of like international incidents it's wherever like international incidents it's wherever like international incidents it's wherever peter salmonella's been peter salmonella's been peter salmonella's been you're right oh they should just lock me you're right oh they should just lock me you're right oh they should just lock me you didn't stay in the gaza strip for a you didn't stay in the gaza strip for a you didn't stay in the gaza strip for a while did you i put some time i didn't while did you i put some time i didn't while did you i put some time i didn't go into gaza i went to west maryland you really close it up okay so you go you really close it up okay so you go you really close it up okay so you go to iran so i go to iran shoot that to iran so i go to iran shoot that to iran shoot that series now i americans need a in a series now i americans need a in a series now i americans need a in a government government government minded tour they need to be with someone minded tour they need to be with someone minded tour they need to be with someone the whole time the whole time the whole time and they're going to be on that tour and they're going to be on that tour and they're going to be on that tour with the person they don't have free with the person they don't have free with the person they don't have free range range range but italian have an italian passport as but italian have an italian passport as but italian have an italian passport as an italian i could go over i'm not i an italian i could go over i'm not i an italian i could go over i'm not i like right after it opened but then like right after it opened but then like right after it opened but then there were failures i went back to there were failures i went back to there were failures i went back to ukraine and i had failures because here ukraine and i had failures because here ukraine and i had failures because here is the deal is the deal is the deal ukrainians loved ukrainian content ukrainians loved ukrainian content ukrainians loved ukrainian content ukrainians didn't care about iranian ukrainians didn't care about iranian ukrainians didn't care about iranian content so i just lost my whole audience content so i just lost my whole audience content so i just lost my whole audience your audience captured by ukraine and now then i was audience captured by iran and then saudi right really it really is the the algorithm coming to life here totally and so i would get all these new audiences in new countries but there was no thread between them right yeah and i didn't have a big u.s audience at that time anyways did that for a while pandemic hits where are we gonna go we're either gonna move to italy but italy was have you met your missus yet your your wife or yeah yeah we were together like three three out of my four years there okay but did you meet her when you were in ukraine yeah when you were part of the fighting with the corn mafia on one hand chatting up the the yeah yeah future mrs santanello and on the other hand ensuring you don't get killed by the corn mafia pre-cucarusa mafiosa i'm like i'm off to the countryside living with this family she thought it was a bit bizarre and so did the rest of the ukrainians because it was so fringe yeah in the cities they would never live like that so here's this yank guy they're not too dissimilar to the u.s then right you've already set a little bit of that tone of cosmopolitan life although this country might be weird from the country that i'm from yeah in most countries the modernity cosmopolis thing still looks at going to the countryside as kind of a what the fuck are you doing like this is going backward in time somehow yeah but but the delta is even greater there because i'm going really primitive yep um and then what the pandemic brought us back to the u.s and then when we got back to the u.s i'm like what are we gonna do here i know my country from here what's interesting about the u.s six years later head still down going full speed it took off americans loved it and i had i mean from from a like career standpoint having a american viewer who's like oh my god i'm gonna go to the u.s versus belarussian or ukrainian different game with actually you can make some money on youtube to actually carry the thing forward you're telling me that there isn't a burgeoning ecom and cpg business in iran i can't get my shopify store to deliver new tonic to iran no it's all internal there they're big enough where they they have every industry pretty much working on its own for the most part from the nuclear one yeah apart from so yeah then the u.s content ripped off and i remember being at home my mom still lives in vermont i grew up in vermont moved out at 18 um but i went back to where i grew up and i told my buddy my good buddy from youth i'm like hey i'm gonna go to new york city shoot some videos with the hasidic jews and then go to the hoods and the projects and show that world he's like cool but what are you going to do for work and that was when it was like the most important thing for me money the money the the runway wasn't that long my business got to make this work got to make this in right when i needed it to work it worked so it's been six years non-stop and all of those videos have um i try to go wide as far as i can from the amish to the bloods and crypts and everything in between what do you think most americans don't understand about america yeah uh it doesn't sound uh really groundbreaking what i'm going to say but just the scale and the amount of different lifestyles we have you you do have parts of america where they're still hunting a whale whales every year reindeer uh you can see russia i'm talking about st lawrence island siberian you pick people three times the size of maui america where is that yeah way up in alaska so huge that as someone doing this full time i'm still discovering places i knew nothing about didn't know they existed so i found that with google maps late night and i'm like what's that you're fucking kidding me you geoguessered your way i totally like just zoom it pinch and zoom in zoom in okay two towns there's usps in a church there's no street view what's going on up there i'll check that out and then you have miami's in the same country capital of latin america two different universes so we're all in our bubbles doesn't matter where you live we're in our bubbles my goal is to teach or show americans about different bubbles that they might not interact with that could be inner city hoods that could be the richest hoods that could be deep with the amish native culture we have 576 federally recognized tribes in this country and they're all different that's like a whole different parallel universe a whole different world running on its own you have everything from navajo nation in arizona size of new jersey size of israel basically it's different laws different rules just like israel yeah just like israel and then you have cherokee in north carolina you put kids from each one of those those tribes in swap them it's like a wild cultural experience for them native american world is like european countries you can't just say you're you're european yes but you're not italian you're not norwegian you got some viking in you maybe okay but you get what i'm saying right every country has and that's how the native world is it's like different countries they're all native they're all like just like europeans are all european but ukraine and the uk are two different universes so that's been surprising just the amount of depth we have here and how granular it goes when you really look at it closely talk to me about the native peoples that you've spent time with because yeah coming over here i've really enjoyed immersing myself in going to different places i've taken a lot of big road trips but i've not done anything like what you've done i've gone from new orleans it's so interesting the french quarter downtown oh my god i can get a beignet and spill it everywhere i'm like okay come on dude like what have you learned from the native tribes and the descendants of them that you've spent time with they're all different but there's a thread that you've they're all different but there's a similarity as in you get in in the native world the stories get more interesting the pace slows down there's you get a bit away from the capitalistic drum of the western world that would be my initial feeling they're they're wonderful storytellers they can almost put you like in uh the siberian upic i was with this woman adora it's like she put me in a trance she was like hypnotizing me with her stories they have an ability to deliver a story and they have a great sense of humor and they all play hoops hoops is the basketball that's what that's what keeps them together all the tribes play hoops it's big rivalry what's their relationship or story like with what america is and has become now because you could imagine there's maybe some ancestral resentment in there do you ever sense that is that something that comes through depends who you talk to so the highest enrollment in the military per capita is native american no fucking way yeah so you have true patriots flags waving you have some believe that believe in traditional beliefs other very christian you have some that are traditional beliefs to be more like animal spirit type stuff. Exactly. Right, cool. And getting really deep into their clans. They have different clans. There's clan culture. You have places like in Navajo Nation, you get into the hogan, into the hut, and you got to walk clockwise in the hut. Never, ever go counterclockwise. It's going to bring so much bad to you. So if you drop your keys here, like for those listening, so to my right, like, don't just pick them up there, like circle the whole thing and pick them up. I find that stuff fascinating. But no, everyone, there's no consensus, I would say. So sometimes people will say, hey, they're not Indians, they're natives or Native Americans or indigenous or First Nations. You know what they say they are? The only consensus is there isn't one. Depends who you talk to. Some say, I'm Indian. Lakota medicine man in South Dakota, said, I'm the Native American. Because he was way before it was called America, his family. I grew up in America. 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American war flick. How crazy was that? Just really depends. And then economically, some tribes are really poor. I mean, the de facto is it's worse on the res materially, economically, than off the res. It's worse on the res? Yeah. Why? Just less jobs, remote areas, not as much industry. But then some res is, it's wealthy as all could be. Great gambling. You go to the Seminoles in South Florida, they own the Hard Rock brand worldwide. I think they paid 800 million for it back in the day. Hang on. Yeah. The Hard Rock brand. Worldwide. Is owned. By the Seminoles. By some indigenous Native American descendant people in. 100%. And their tribe, I believe, don't quote me on this, it's roughly 4,500 people. They started in Indian gaming. They have agricultural operations. I believe gas and oil operations, Hard Rock Cafe. These guys are just hardcore entrepreneurs. And you know, when I get into these communities, I always want people in my videos to want to be on my videos. I don't want to just show up on a camera, put a camera in someone's face if they don't want it. A tribal council member, I put up on my Insta, I said, I want to get a Seminole story. I know it was very difficult to get with them. And tribal council member reached out, said, I'm a council member. I can show you. You should watch my content. So I went there. We're talking gates. We're talking background checks with IDs and everything. I'm in the nerve center, the offices. You went to the Pentagon of the indigenous people. Totally. Right. And I'm like, this is the most by the book thing I've ever done with video making. I'm like totally official here. I actually feel like press. Yeah, I've got credentials. Yeah, it's like I'm doing all the right things. This woman takes me out. We show the tribe. We show the world. It was very much a North. Yeah. The Korean tour, as in everything, just showed the good for the most part. And I got a call from their attorney right after that thing posted. They wanted that down immediately. He said something along the lines of, are you familiar with the case we just closed with Wells Fargo? I believe, I forget how much they won. It was another, it was like something like 800 million or something. And I'm like, no, but congratulations on that. He's like, well, we're going to need that video. That's a little bit of a flex. It's the equivalent of North Korea showing their ballistic missiles on a parade. Total flex. Yeah. And my law team wasn't going to fight with theirs because, you know, I have one person that I can call that's not going to deal with those. And they've got machetes. No, they have. They've got tomahawks. They have billions of dollars. Yeah. And tomahawks. And those things. So what I'm saying is it's so widely varied. You can go to Pine Ridge. It's the poorest native res in the country where it looks poor. I don't know. It's rough. And then you have on the other end of the spectrum, the Seminoles, who are fantastic capitalists that figured out the game really well. And I believe, and I don't know exactly the number, but it's like 128,000 per kid every year. What? The revenue that they're distributing? Yeah. So they come out of high school all millionaires. Now, I don't know the, I don't want to get myself in trouble on the exact number because it changes hard information to get, but there's that end of the spectrum. And then there's the other end of the spectrum. So that's my point about America. The more you go deep, the more you go granular, it's complicated. And there's so much rad stuff here. You really don't know what's going on because you're busy in your own life. We all are doing your own thing. And it gives a lifetime of discovery. It's crazy that. You know, it's easy to, can you chat your PT? How many Americans have got a passport for me, Jared? I'm pretty sure it's like only 60% of Americans have got a passport. 60? Yeah, I think so. Um, and it's easy, as you said before, you can be judgmental about that. Let's think about how big the world is and by virtue of being unable or unwilling to get the credentials to be able to travel, you can't travel, but without leaving the country, you guys have got more than 50 countries inside of here, but half of Americans have a vote. You're going to have to get a valid passport state department estimated 51%, 170 million people in late 2024. Yeah, that is fucking insane. You got to think though, half, half the population does not have the money to go anywhere all the time. Even if you had some of the money, the time that you would need to take off in order to be able to travel without your obligations for Thanksgiving and Christmas and all that, but, but, but like, yeah, it makes total sense. I don't get it. I do. I do. I do. I'm a big proponent of travel for sure. But you don't actually need to. To leave the country. In a way. Yes and no. Like you can constantly learn and discover and every state has its own identity. Being in Texas this time. It's like, it's like its own country for sure. The big States in America, California, New York, Texas, Florida, with big populations, they have their own, their own gravity to them, right? Yeah. What, what's the poorest place that you visited in America? Ah, technically, well, I would say two regions really stand out for tech talking. Two wide regions, central Appalachia, so that's like West Virginia area, Eastern Kentucky. Mm-hmm. It's out there. You got to check that out. Great people, but poor. Mississippi Delta would be the other big region. Those two sort of left behind. You don't know US cultural context, you were saying. I think it's changing a little, but back in the day, any, any, the butt of any joke would be like the West Virginia hillbilly, right? Mm-hmm. I mean, I think it's changing a little bit. I think it's changing a little bit. Coal mills? Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, I've watched a million documentaries. So OxyContin, that was sort of the testing ground because all of these coal miners, it's hard work, they'd be in a lot of pain. I met up with a fourth generation coal miner. He said he was one of the first one put on that medication, on that drug. And it's highly addictive. And then when the jobs left town, a lot of them, well, the addiction became that much greater because your life's looking terrible and this thing feels great. It's not just the physical pain, it's the psychic pain. Psychic pain too. So there's still fallout of that. Now it got better with that. And then fentanyl hit pretty hard around five, six years ago. The Chinese OxyContin. Yeah, exactly. So I like to highlight the problems in this country. We have plenty of them. The good, the bad, the ugly though. A lot of positive stuff. I don't just go for the heavy. I don't just want to go for the crime and the drugs. Now these things need to be brought to the surface, but I want someone to see my YouTube channel, look at all the videos on it and be like, Oh, that's that America place. That's pretty cool. Yeah. It's got its issues. I don't want to be online just being like full dopamine driven rage bait. The reason they look at it and it's like, that's. It's awful. There is a kind of tragedy porn that, you know, what's, what's that area in Philly that's got Kensington, Kensington. And you know, if you want to do a, a 2 million play vlog, you just go to Kensington and interview some people about how the legs falling off and no one really cares. And I use this needle five times last week and it's horrible. So Kensington, I wasn't going to shoot a Kensington story because it's been done so many times to try it. Yeah. I want to be on the front front. Edge of things. I want to be able to see Russia. Yes. I can't see Russia. It doesn't count. Exactly. So, but there's this guy, his name was buddy. His name's buddy. He's bringing kids off the street. He's got a, a boxing clinic and a religious rehab and he's doing something good, trying to change it. So, okay. I want that story now because here's a big problem. Here's somewhat of a solution. Let's show that, like give a little hope in the thing. Yeah. So I did that. I did that story two years ago. I can honestly stay say after being in the hoods of Karachi, Pakistan, in the slums of India, there's nowhere more disheartening than Kensington. No way. Fact because it is the, on the fentanyl, on the trank face down in the curb, and we're just going to let this go. Yeah. So it's more disheartening because of the. Prevalence of drugs. That's the sort of hopelessness. Not necessarily. It's the way we're dealing with it. So for me, compassion would be, Hey, that guy's deep in on fence. He's not looking good. Uh, he's bleeding. There's a wound. Like we got it. We got to change it. We got to get, if I had the power, I'd be like, that guy needs to be brought off the street. Even if he doesn't want to go, the best thing for him would be go into rehab of some sort of therapy. Nobody gets on Fent because their life is great. Oh, I had a great day today. I'll go do some Fent, right? It's because things are terrible. I mean, it is a Friday. You want to do some? Yeah. Fuck it. Let's go to sixth street and get some Fent, dude. I'm sure it feels great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but it doesn't, but until you're on, and then you're on Kensington and it's not so great. Most people don't realize how much being dehydrated impacts their performance, which is why for the last five years, I've started pretty much every morning with element element is a tasty. Electrolyte drink mix with everything that you need and nothing that you don't. This orange salt in a cold glass of water is like a sweet, salty, orangey nectar. 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So we're at this weird point in different jurisdictions, depending where you're at, where it's like, if they can stay on the streets and no one can remove them, then it just, the problem gets worse. And so that that's also with America, you know, the ACLU, you know, freedom in America, right? I'm free to choose how I want to live my life and how I want to be. And the law, when it's not, when it's written up differently in different places or not enforced, doesn't allow for the system to really remedy the problem. Is fentanyl the biggest drug problem in America in your experience? Yes. Trank's pretty ugly too, but I'd say fentanyl and meth are the worst. But Trank, if the distribution can get there, will maybe be as bad or worse? Trank is awful because they'll get wounds. I was in, in Kensington, some guy was on Trank, he had wounds and there was just like, there were like flies festering on the wounds. People kind of decomposing while they're alive. Decomposing. Yeah. So that's what I mean while it's poor in India, for sure it's poor in Pakistan. Like we have resources here, but it's just the lack of humanity. Now there are people like Buddy trying to help, but it's this hiccup where nobody can really solve the problem. Then there's harm reduction. There's harm reduction, which is bring needles out because the theory behind that is, give someone a fresh needle, they're not reusing and spreading disease. And I'd say on the argument for harm reduction from the people, it's really impossible to get in with them. I've tried. The argument is, hey, if we have someone coming into our facility using clean needles, then maybe we can get them into rehab. Maybe we can sell the rehab on them. But there is a homeless industrial complex. It's in the country. There are a lot of people making a lot of money. Who's making money off homeless people? Okay. So there's a lot of housing involved with building out housing. How is the housing involved in homeless people? Yeah. Isn't it wild? They're building. What do you mean? They're building in LA on Skid Row. Is this the fucking Bass Pro Shop selling tents? Like what is this? They give out tents. There's some, there's some grift. Okay. Okay. There'll be money to give out tents, but that there is housing. Like that is very expensive housing. In Los Angeles, built for homeless people. Okay. It's a little bit of an oxymoron, but go on. It is. Yeah. So there's that grift. There's a lot of, a lot of NGOs that get money from this, from different organizations, from the state, from the feds to sort of remedy the problem. And the problem's not necessarily being remedied. I mean, I saw living in San Francisco, the tenderloin has always been bad. Have you ever been there? Oh, I'm not selling you on America. Chris. Am I, we're, we're, we're going on how my channel's not all dark and now I'm just keep going into the drug store. That's okay. That's okay. I mean, dude, I mean, I've walked through SF. When did we do Naval last March? And that was the first time I'd been to SF for Michaela Peterson's wedding. Uh, and then I hadn't seen the city at all. And then I went to go and do the Naval episode and we were walking through the financial district and it's this huge fuck off Equinox, Equinox. Uh, and it's an old bank. You've got. These crazy steps up to the front of it. We wanted to get a training session in before we were going to go and film and it was closed on a fucking Saturday. It is so driven the cosmopolis in the middle of SF is so driven by this group of people that do the nine to five or the, you know, nine to nine or whatever, that it's closed on a weekend. And we thought, well, there's another one, uh, two miles away. I'm good to get a walk in. I. Want to walk. I want to see the city. And I, as you walk from one Equinox to another, you just very quickly see the financial district fall away and the human feces begin. And I, I, it's so to me that it's how stark it is. And this seems to be one of the sort of through lines. I know you did this thing in the Hamptons, which I thought was fucking fascinating. It's not just across the country, how big the inequality. Can be. Yeah. It's within very small spaces. It's when you walk three blocks difference and it feels like you're in a different city. Yeah. To be fair, San Francisco has gotten better. We left in 21. My wife and I, it's gotten better since their new, new mayor, new DA it's cleaned up a bit. Things are always changing, but yeah, it's to me, it's unacceptable. And that's why I try to highlight these socioeconomic differences too. Like what you're saying. - Not to do the tragedy porn thing, but to say, "Hey, this is what we can feel." fix yeah and it's not necessarily a solution i'm offering it's just showing um the book i don't i don't can i can i talk about the book plug it as dude where should people go to read this amazing fucking memoir that you put together okay your fellow americans and i'm gonna put you in that basket chris is that cool perfectly i'll cut because you you've embraced the country the country's embraced you private camaro you do yeah oh nice 80s oh no new one okay scumbag sorry okay no scumbag is 80s oh okay far enough doing burnout i'm elevated i think yeah okay so it's a lot of the content from the channel a lot of the backstories so much happens when the power button's off um in amish country shooting a series like everything it's nuanced it's complicated the amish have the schwartz and troopers which are the most conservative you'd think of the schwartz and troopers when you think of amish no phone no electricity it has the beachy those would be the most liberal they drive around okay what makes them amish yeah and you don't really get a plaque or anything um i guess you just say i'm amish and you play the game as in have you seen how they cut their their beards yes right yes like you wouldn't be able to be amish looking like you're looking around or me like i'm looking okay be unacceptable yep but you you're part of the church you're part of the amish church you're part of the amish church you live by their ways and but you also have some technology depending on the type of amish yeah yeah okay so in the book stuff like the cat i'm in an airbnb in the countryside amish country cats are meowing outside i don't know why there are cats outside but i go out to feed them door closes behind i'm in my underwear sun's coming up go to open the door oh shoot my phone's inside cozy isn't on my phone i gotta shoot a video i hear the the hooves coming down the road the steel wheels of the carriages the amish are coming the amish are coming and i'm in my underwear like one of those dudes with a metallic blanket you know i'm reflecting pasty white to the world and so there are two questions in my head i mean there's there's there's two ways to go about this i walk to the most conservative amish people's house the schwartz and troopers in my underwear bald naked pretty much you know pass their kids and say hey can you help me get into this house or i gotta break through the window of the house where i'm staying and so i throw a big rock through the window and why you would too why you have to just think i mean you're you're ripped good looking guy but even you showing up to an amish home some of the most conservative people you think you get shot and what would happen no they wouldn't shoot you it would it would just go wrong i think i don't think it would go well okay i imagine he's so out there i imagine news doesn't travel that fast in the amish world though it does okay they're like aspen trees they're all connected okay yeah seriously yeah they know what's going on they're more connected than we are yeah yeah faster than the internet um so call the people obviously hey sorry i broke your window i'll replace it and whatnot there's a lot of that stuff behind the scenes of video making which when the cameras are off the thoughts that come through what i've learned on the journey and also how i started into this after high school taking a road trip across the country and a lot of historical context in there and just an overall pro got it we're in difficult times a lot of doom and gloom you can get that all day long on the internet or turn on the tv here's a here's a space to go that being the book or the audio book you can open up 10 separate chapters easy to read they're all separate on their own and smile about america and learn something and connect connect with your fellow americans i don't know so the publisher reached out because they saw the channel and they're like do you want to do something off your channel they're thinking to zag while everyone is zigging right now there's a lot of heaviness a lot of doom and gloom in the country just think of the western world overall maybe all the world i don't know but i think it's a lot of heaviness a lot of doom and gloom in the country now um they're trying to think front lines hey how can we go the opposite direction here and that's what my book is nice wholesome yeah i i'd like to think so i get in a little heaviness but not too bad it's mostly uplifting positive give me some more stories about the amish the okay here's one for you you'll like this being english i'm english too in the amish world everyone here is english okay anyone that's not amish is english 100 including the japanese black japanese brilliant female you're english oh that's fantastic you're not them you're english dude and they said that the imperial colony had died no we're still going strong in the amish go fuck yourself so you're english i'm english yes old order amish can't drive but they're out in the countryside they need rides really bad okay so i meet this guy his name's marcus i'm like marcus i'm making videos and he's like hey i can bring you into my buddies my old geezer buddies playing shuffleboard in an amish barn out in the sticks i'm like man that's gonna be cool i gotta drive an hour to marcus it's another 45 minutes to his buddies i go to marcus's place pick him up oh howdy peter how you doing oh hang on so he's okay to get in a car but not to drive he can't drive he needs he needs english to drive this english english you have to drive so this is like shabbat a little bit yeah for jewish people yes we can't turn on or off the light but if we got somebody else that can turn the light on or off which i did a video on that too okay i got in shabbat but uh okay so pick marcus up yeah about halfway through the drive i'm thinking great time to start the video rolling hills holmes county ohio beautiful marcus is a character i bring out the camera i'm like he's like what are you doing i'm like i'm just gonna start the video he's like uh i don't know let's not do that right now so i'm reading the room okay cool go to the event with the shuffleboard feeling it out with his guys characters great scene a lot of yelling they're speaking pennsylvanian dutch what the fuck is that which is their language it's german it's like a form of german yeah that's their native language they call it dutch not to do with the europe right they came to the u.s to flee religious prosecution persecution and william penn in pennsylvania said hey come on over you guys are great with the land you're great with farming and they could live to their own tune in america there are a lot of carve art carve outs for them and that's a part of my book neither here nor there people in america chicanos amish siberian yupik who are american but living in their own universes okay so get the event i'm not feeling the vibe i gotta feel the vibe and ends up i don't shoot a video and then i try i'm a little bit confused but whatever i'm just going with it drive marcus home 45 minutes drive back to my place an hour i tell an amish guy a couple days later he's like oh yeah he totally played you the amish bum rides from english and he just roped you in he wasn't gonna do he finessed you he wasn't doing no video with you and i laughed and i thought it was great you thought that it was on you that you hadn't maybe made everyone feel as comfortable as you should have done but the video was never on the table it was never there yeah you see you look at the amish and you say that's primitive technology but you just got completely schmoozed by him schmoozed yeah and before the pandemic i did these videos like right around the beginning of the pandemic oh no in the beginning it was like everyone was like oh the amish left behind they're they're not keeping up that would suck to be them then the pandemic happens everyone's like i want some of that they're making their own food hanging out together in the countryside not worried about a thing so the book gets into those those stories just like the videos what about the intense jewish communities that you've been to see yeah the hasidics and again they're different sects you have the the satmars would be the most conservative and then you have which i did a shabbat dinner with we had to get approval from the rabbis for me to get in there and shoot that video um the wife shops at gucci okay so you have gucci to so conservative it's like the most spartan living homespun yeah in brooklyn in like the center of urban america so that's fascinating um look i think shabbat shabbat's cool i think shabbat's cool i i totally respect that i think it's awesome we did a the guy that does the ads for my show sky one of my best friends had uh his bachelor party it's a couple of years ago and he decided to do it in houston he likes asian food asian culture and that was it for the theme for the weekend we did shabbat on the friday evening Because I want everyone to kind of be here in the moment. I want everyone phones away. we'll do food um so i'm like i've never done this before i guess it's secular shabbat you could call it it's basically just don't use your fucking phone for friday evening and we'll eat some food food arrives and he got two pounds of crawfish i'm like that definitely doesn't fucking work also there's 25 of us and you got two pounds of crawfish that's like 100 grams of edible food um so immediately i broke shabbat got my phone out and ordered pizza for everybody i don't give a fuck about you about this thing um but we did that and we did a jeffersonian dinner where you have a single question and you're sort of circling the room and i can see the allure of it i really can't you know an equivalent of a lot of people are doing a digital sabbath now yeah sunday where okay i'm just no screens for you know nine till nine on a sunday after coming back from a seven day silent meditation retreat with no screens having little doses of that i think make complete sense so you can do regardless of whether you're religious or not or a part of the culture or not i think that there's a lot of like cultural technology social technology that you can take and and bring into your own life why wouldn't you want to yeah maybe the light switch thing might be a little bit much but okay a period of the week where you don't think about work yeah a period of the week where you're just being present a period of the week where you're away from from screens like who thinks that that's a bad idea not right yeah i'd like to get there yeah yeah um the appalachia thing just going back to that i was watching a video of you speaking to some kid who had the most insane history knowledge yeah right who was that kid because he was giving you a entire history lecture about the difference between the greek the ancient greeks and the ancient romans and how he had beef with the ancient romans yeah because of this slaughter that they'd done in like 404 a.d i'm like yo if you're holding on to beef from the fucking like third century yeah that's very impressive and he was like 16 years old yeah i that was he was on the side of the road i saw these guys fishing and that video is actually the best performing video on my channel 34 million views is no joke yeah and i almost i almost didn't do it i was like struggling to get it going but that's one of those videos where i'm like okay i got a long road trip who i meet up with along the way and what happens with them determines if it's a good video or not and you have to put your extroverted feeling out sensing so i see these kids off the side of the road turn over we get into a conversation and then he drops that and he starts singing for me too and he his main point was he was like i'm gonna sing for you i'm gonna sing for you i'm gonna sing for you i'm gonna he wanted to show the country that we're all not just drugs and alcoholics and coal miners that we have we have something more in us and that sophistication as well yeah and you realize like labels are simple and stereotyping they exist for a reason but you can't judge i mean this if this work has taught me one thing is to judge less like that guy was a gem he was just dropping it i couldn't keep up with him i'm like yeah that sounds good because i didn't i didn't i didn't have that historical knowledge jared you ever considered that you might have a drinking problem i don't consider a lot chris well you drank an entire case of athletic brinko last night but they're non-alcoholic and that's not a problem sorry man i just kept chugging waiting for the regret to creep in never happened see most people like jared don't want to change what they drink they drink what they drink what they drink what they drink what they drink they just don't want the next day to be a complete write-off and that is why i'm such a huge fan of athletic brewing coke they make the best na brews on the planet you can find athletic brewing co's best-selling lineup at 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or sorry a husband passed in the mines the wife had to bounce out of town or get her kids in the mines immediately or else you're losing everything because the company owned all the real estate and they need workers in that real estate it's getting perilously close to a type of slavery yeah they're like indentured servitude thousands of of these places do you know we still have company towns in america that use the currency thing not the currency but almost everything else okay what what is a company town company town company town company owns the real estate it provides all the employment everything revolves around the company so uh again one of those nights i'm looking at google baghdad arizona what baghdad arizona who would have thought okay i looked into it what's this town freeport mcmoran owns it copper mining they own all the real estate there everyone there works in the mines or still still or some ancillary business connected to the mines and i checked it out and i'm thinking old company town what's it like out there people are all tied into this thing well i get out there the average wage was above the average in america 90 it was 90 grand i believe rent 350 bucks three bedroom two bath yeah this is looking up good at the moment yeah summer workout facility pool daycare for kids school's great no crime why if you commit crime in a company time you're out companies booting you and so it's not for me i don't want to be in that mold necessarily but i totally get it in these times where inflation's kicking up you know more stress i would say with like trying to make the bills child care all that what control is is in a company town other than everybody has to work for the company i'm trying to think about you know there was hard power before with the currency thing yeah um what are some of the other ways that uh pressure is applied to the people that are working yeah you you get fired you're out obviously yeah you get fired you're out obviously you get fired you're out if you're old once you retire you're out of town yeah they're not going to save that that space for retiring for somebody that isn't being economically contributive to this project exactly right i suppose that's interesting when you think about the fact that being able to own your own home now or rent an apartment as long as you can make payments you don't have to have any allegiance to anyone right you don't have to it doesn't matter whether you move from google to procter and gamble or from starbucks to to fucking uh all of that's fine you just the house is independent but for almost all of human history if you were in some serfdom thing if you had to have fealty to wherever the local baron in the uk medieval times uh you know if you had lords if you were playing land registries and shit like that like it's kind of a economic engine even if you're living on a farm yeah so okay so there's some outhouse on the farm and you look after the pigs you're the pig guy and then you stop looking after the pigs it's like well guess what you're out of the house as well because your housing was attached to your economic output yeah not just your capacity to pay that was all part of a single so suppose this you know historically is not that strange what feels weird is to now think about having your house and your social structure because being kicked out of the house is hard but losing every friend you've ever had and every person that you've ever known in this probably incredibly insular environment yeah hey 65 congratulations now fuck off none of your friends are going to be able to go with you and insular also geographically these are like middle of noah middle morenci is another one two big ones in arizona and people are trying to get in because look the pay is good they save up money and get real estate out a lot of the ones that are thinking through it they they do their time and they buy real estate out and retire in that desert of Arizona. It wouldn't surprise me if people are innovative and if there is this understanding that you work in this place and then when you retire, you're going to get kicked out. That will begin to be a pathway conveyor belt to, well, why don't we make a retirees town that's not too far away and this has all of the things that we want. And then that begins to be the kind of tradition that people go through. Yeah, and right now they're doing well because Copper's doing well. Right. What about East LA? East LA's great. I love the Chicanos. They're cool. One of those, again, new country in my own country experiences. Didn't know anything about Chicanos really. Got in with these guys. True, 100%. 100% Chicanos. As in English is the native language with a Spanish accent. Why? It's the culture. A lot of them are bilingual, but- Spanish? Yeah, but a lot have been here generations and they grew up speaking English, but they have a Spanish accent. It's wild. Cool, okay. Look, the car culture is awesome. They love their cars? I get it, yeah. The low-rise cars. The low-rise cars. The low-rise cars. The low-rise cars. The taco. It's a culture. It's connected. It really is connected well. It's its own universe out there. And again, it's one of those either here nor there. The Chicanos will say, when we go to Mexico, they call us American, but when we're in the U.S., they call us Mexican. They're in the uncanny valley of Mexicans and Americans. Yeah, right in between. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I made a few videos out there with them. Actually, a chapter in the book about the Chicanos. And I just, that's what's so rad about America. You have all these different existences coexisting. And my wife says, it's a build-your-own-bowl country. As in, pick your protein, pick your vegetables, pick your dressing. So pick your culture. You're going to take fentanyl. Pick your geography. What do you want, mountains? You want oceans? Dude, I mean, you want your culture? You want your politics even? Like, choose your own adventure almost. It's fucking cool, you know, for all that there's problems in this place. And it's the misogynistic, capitalistic hellscape that's trying to bigotedly keep everybody down. I understand. But I flew back from, when I flew back from SF, and just the change, that journey from SF to Austin, the change in the landscape, looking out of the window, is fucking unbelievable. This is, it is everything. I've seen everything on route to it. The only thing I haven't seen is snow. In fact, I probably didn't maybe see some snow, like San Bernardino Valley, if we went over that way. I don't know. Yeah, you can, there's places that you can snowboard and ski in fucking May. Yeah. And it's just, it's so varied, and that is what makes it cool. I remember when I first started coming out here, man, I was mid-twenties. I started coming out as part of these author projects that I was doing. And I would get flown out to Norfolk, Virginia. And it was just a, like, military, it was right on the bay. So I'm seeing all of the huge military ships coming in and out. And there was one weekend where we were staying at the Sheraton downtown in Norfolk, Virginia, right on the water. And there was a powerboat convention going on. Like every dude had a mustache, every woman, no matter how old she was, had bleep, bleached blonde hair, platinum super. I was like this fucking rules. This is the sickest shit I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. And then the next year I went to Baltimore and it was the 4th of July. And I was in downtown Baltimore, right where the historic ships are right on that bay. And the motherfuckers are firing cannons. 4th of July. There's all of these fireworks going up. I was on my own. I was like, this is amazing. And I posted a photo on Facebook and put my phone away and I was having a good time. And I was having a beer or whatever, just on my own. I'm walking about, it's like wide eyed, bushy tailed, but ding, but ding, but ding, but ding, but ding. I was like, fucking all right, fair enough. Get my phone out. It's late us time. So there's no one awake in the UK. And I basically had no friends in the us. All of the people that were running the event was saying, what are you doing downtown in Baltimore? Do not go past 49th street. Do not take a turn down there. It's like, what do you mean? No, like just don't go to 49th street or whatever. And I was like, well now I'm fucking going to 48th street. Okay. So go all the way up. I know every single street corner, there was a cop car with two police officers. So on every intersection you would have one, two, three, four cop cars, like on the corners of every night. How many fucking cop cars have you guys got? No, we just sat there. And I was even that didn't go to 40 50th street or whatever. That's fucking fascinating to me. And then did this huge road trip, went to, um, fuck. What's the place just, near Dollywood. It's like a ski lodge town begins with a G, uh, Gatlinburg. Okay. I went to Gatlinburg, uh, Tennessee. And this is like a Aspen, the Swiss ski lodge town that happens to be beautiful weather in the middle of summer. I fourth of July, Nashville, Broadway. Like it's, it's fucking awesome, dude. Like for people that I guess haven't traveled, haven't been able to get outside of their home state and see just how, how much stuff there is to do. Like this sounds like I'm shilling for the fucking American tourist board or whatever, but it's just, it's fucking cool. It's really good. And I'm, I'm glad that I'm here. So what do you, where do you think things are going? Where do you see things in, uh, in five years? Are you, are you optimistic about things? Are you thinking something has to come to a head or, I don't know. I, the div America is very divided thing seems less true than America is very isolated. I think people are more isolated than they are divided. And, and that can cause people to kind of become quite deranged in the way that they see themselves in the world. Yeah. If you don't touch grass that much, I had this question on a Q and a, this guy was asked a question of, um, you say, I say that the bar is very low for most men and that, you know, if you're a well put together guy with a stable job, who's nice and takes care of himself, you're in the top like 5% of all men. I'm like, I think that's true. And he's like, and yet I see all of this stuff online about, how a guy needs to be six foot tall and make six figures a year. And I'd be emotionally intelligent. He's got to 10 years of therapy and all of it. I like, I think this is what happens when you spend too much time on the internet. Yeah. I think the internet takes the most caricatured extreme versions. It's like WWE for sociality. Right. And it turns everything into this kayfabe pantomime and everybody starts performing. And, um, what I think, what I hope is that we can, um, continue to sort of push people into real world experiences. Like stuff like your travel blogs, I think are really great at reminding people there is a fucking world of adventure out there off the screen. Adventure is not a staycation at a local fucking yoga retreat. That's 30 minutes from your house. Yeah. Adventure is taking a left down a road that you don't usually go down. I'll never forget. I did. Um, as part of this, I want to see the world thing. When I was, when I was younger, I did, uh, Thailand on my own. I did Bali on my own. The Thailand trip. It was my final full day on Koh Samui. Yeah. Uh, no, Koh Tao. Sorry. Koh Tao. Koh Tao, not Koh Samui. And, um, me and my $1 per day moped, which had one break on it and was definitely going to kill me. And I was, I was basically just, uh, doing Thai boxing the whole time I was there. I was going from gym to gym, just fighting. Cause I thought that would be fun to do. And it would give me a community of people. And I'd, I'd feel less alone. That worked out great. Final day. I was driving the trip from the smoothie place. I like to go to back toward the gym, but I'd already trained. I was like, there's a turning here on the left. I'm just going to see what's down this road. And that took me two and a half hours and nearly ran out of gas. And one point opened out into this elephant sanctuary that I didn't know was there. I wasn't signposted. So that pitched up for a bit, just sat and watched things pulled back off. And then there's a guy with, a huge truck with all of these rolls of sort of Bach spun up and rolled tied up behind him. I looked like a scene out of final destination, like Thailand's final destination. It's all going to fall off and kill someone. And I was like, just watching this person thinking, I wonder what, I wonder what that guy's afternoon is going to look like. I wonder where he's going. No wonder what he does. No wonder where he lives. And there would be just the opportunity to see some fucking real shit. Yeah. That is not being fed to you at the velocity that you're used to. I don't know. I mean, I can't tell you basically anything that I watched on the internet last week, but I can tell you a story about Thailand that I remember doing 10 years ago. Yeah. Like if that isn't how you make a richer life, I kind of don't know what is. And this doesn't mean that you got to travel all the way to fucking Thailand. Yeah. But you know. No, you're fully right. It's there's the on the ground reality and the online reality right now. And the Delta is massive. and unless you're getting that on-the-ground reality to balance it out. you know this thing starts taking everything seems catastrophic but next five years what do i think is going to happen i would like to think that we're going to get some degree of pushback against the level of onlineness i wouldn't bet against people's ability to actually be able to look after themselves um and i think that people are way more resilient than we give them credit for i would be worried about what is happening to young people with technology usage but australia and the uk have now both got under 16 bands for social media um even if you can work around it with a vpn or something i think that's going to be good and it wouldn't surprise me america unfortunately the freedom thing actually works against you with that that sometimes maybe you need a bit of dictatorship maybe you need a little bit of bureaucracy and and um some sort of top-down telling right of what because people hate the idea of losing freedom yeah but also along with freedom the optionality can mean that most people kind of they uh gravitate toward the path of least resistance sometimes that's something that they want but they isn't good for them yeah something they want but don't need yeah um i think it'll a lot will depend on what happens internationally over the next couple of years because that is causing a lot of people to feel quite uncomfortable one of the biggest niches or most of the biggest trends in finance on youtube about six years ago were slow investing 401ks dollar cost averaging and if you look at 2026 it's all vibe betting polymarket calci get rich quick crypto and i think that speaks to the sort of short-termism that people are feeling yeah i don't know if the future is promised to me so i'm going to kind of just make immediate reward um i hope that that stops because that's a real recipe for fucking disaster that's that's a great point i call it the rpt do you know what the rpt is no okay nothing against russians but the russian package tour so soviet union falls in 91 okay these people have been behind the wall for decades all of a sudden travel opens up to italia turkey shamal sheikh egypt so you have these flights from for people that never were able to leave their homes and they're not able to leave their country chalobinsk ufa novi siberia flying to these all-inclusive package tours so you go you get your food your hotel everything's included well if you've ever been around an rpt it's like take everything off the table stuff your pockets mentality because they've dealt with so much scarcity you never know what tomorrow brings and i i there's i'm doing saying this with some humor too okay so not everyone's participating in the rpt there's the upt ukrainian package tour there's a chinese package tour it's just sort of a joke of the package tour where it's like i paid for this i'm gonna get all i can get and i feel like the rpt is sort of taking over culture even here in the west as in let me get my thing quick there's nothing long term here yeah yeah get it off i feel like the whole country is run like the rpt right now it's like i'm gonna make my mo here's my meme coin i'm gonna bank get out nothing long term and nothing good really comes from short-term thinking like you didn't get to where you're at from short-term thinking that's a long grind same with me you get the visa to even to come to the country it's a very long grind if it was short term you would have given up gone done something easier so i totally agree like our especially young in this country need to realize that it's not all social media obviously in a social media shows rpt mentality anything that's worth something is long game i mean it took me until i mean i was trying to figure out my life at 38 i was stressing in golden gate park in san francisco reading everything i could get my hands on like wtf am i gonna do now now you've got a huge youtube channel and a book deal and right but that's that's from long-term thinking like having hope and at the very least i'd be an old man and be like at least i went for it if it didn't work out i upped my entire life and moved countries on my own with two suitcases at 34 i know you people who say you should have got your life sorted out by now assume that development comes with age and not work and the whole age thing is it's like that makes sense if you know the day you're gonna die if i'm dying at a hundred and i have kids at 48 who cares but if i'm gonna die at 50 better have them earlier if you want kids and that's just like this whole you have to do something by a certain timeline thing i i threw that manual out at a young age so i understand that seems to be a little bit of a contradictory pattern to some of the stuff that you did when you were younger which is i'm not going to be able to travel like this in the same way perhaps in the future yeah so it feels like you did have an understanding of part of the timeline that is that fair to say with that amount of freedom like fully untethered no relationship i was in no commitments yeah i was sort of foreseeing maybe i won't get that chance again yeah yeah yeah what uh what's actually happening on the american mexican border what's the truth right now yeah okay um i did a follow-up video because i've done i don't know five six seven videos no seven eight videos right now it's chill crickets no one's coming over illegally no way nah nothing so i started doing border videos when i was moving from california to florida and someone reached out and said you got to come down to the border and i was in the middle of a move driving across country i'm like nah i'm not gonna do that too busy and my wife was like detour do it go do it we got to florida dropped my bags dropped her and went right to the border in texas so not far from here in mccallan and so i went in with some preconceptions of you know why would you want a border wall that's i don't i don't think that's the right way to go about this and then after spending time there during that trip i left yeah you want a border wall down there why uh look if the wall's 30 feet migrants are gonna get a 32 foot ladder and they go and it's not everything obviously but for customs and border protection it pinches everyone it may they put their technology on the wall they can see better they can manage it better you have to see these landscapes to understand how vast they are do you know how much of the border is covered by protective fencing now i don't know um california most of california um a lot of arizona not all of arizona not all of texas it's got to be one of the longest conjoining borders in the world i have to assume coast to coast perhaps but there are a lot of canada will be more actually oh that yeah that's the longest border actually canada yeah and i've done a story up there too which was interesting but um there it is uh for the u.s mexico border roughly 700 750 miles of it's nearly 2 000 miles okay some form of primary fence or wall about 35 to 38 percent that is not one continuous while much of it is replaced earlier barriers and the remainder is covered by terrain patrol sensors and other enforcement measures the u.s canada border is overwhelmingly unfenced that's nothing up there okay so i went down i'm like i left that first trip yeah you should put a wall up there the second trip i went to west texas where the rio grande is and if you put a wall up there you give mexico the whole river it would destroy those places so i left that trip and like yeah you wouldn't want no wall you wouldn't want to put a wall up there and you want to put a wall there then i went to tijuana and there are two walls between tijuana and california two mega walls is it one to keep the mexicans out and one to keep the americans out no double double double mexicans double front okay because if you didn't have walls there it'd just be a bum rush right to the north um arizona is interesting so every sector there i think 20 sectors in the united states where like there's the yuma sector and the tucson sector they're basically different border jurisdictions yuma sector when i went there 140 nations were coming through it was wild um we had an otm policy other than mexicans a lot of people don't know this like mexicans could not come over unless they were really good but the cartel controlled that whole situation a lot of indians got indians on my video from delhi fly delhi mexico city mexico city mexicali cartel picks them up at the airport like epcot center without the name tags brings them to the gap in the wall gives a u.s phone get to the u.s side dial 9-1-1 our customs border protection comes on them and i was there for it's in one of my videos quarter half mile down sinaloa cartel is running the fent the young girls all the stuff that's definitely gonna get busted on but at that time we had a lot of people that were coming to the had to process, it's very confusing. topic. And unfortunately, both sides have used it as a weapon. But at that time, it was pretty much fair game to claim asylum, depending on what the country you're from. But if you're from India, and you could say, hey, political persecution, I need to leave. It's dangerous for me to be in India. We had to process them. Buses would come in, pick them up, bring them into a detention center, and then off into the interior, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, all over the country. With an asylum court hearing, hey, come to this court hearing. And the courts were so backed up, not enough judges. Some were five years out, some were seven years out. So the word on the street, or the word in the world was, game on, green light, come on. You just have to pay the cartel the right amount of money. So it was. That's insane. I shouldn't have done my fucking O-1. I didn't need to do my O-1. Yeah, you didn't. And then you'd see the fallout in places like Chicago, where all the police stations, you had Venezuelan migrants just sleeping out on the floor. You'd walk into a police station, it was just sleeping bags, kids' toys, kids playing. And all the police officers were just hating their lives. That was the asylum place they'd been assigned to? These cities weren't ready for this influx. These places weren't ready. And it was just a mad influx. And so I don't blame the migrants, because it was green light. I would have done the same. Play the system. I'm in Honduras, six grand of the cartel. I'm going up, I'm making 10 times as much money and living a better life. But the influx was insane, unsustainable. I thought my channel was going to get demonetized for sure on that topic, and maybe shadow banned. But it wasn't, thank God. I've never had a problem with YouTube, knock on wood with that. But I thought it was going to have an issue. And I would get in with the sheriffs, because the sheriffs can. This is a really cool thing about America. We have local law enforcement, you have City of Austin law enforcement, right? What county are we in? Travis. Travis. Okay. There's the sheriff's department. Both doing law enforcement, operating completely different. The sheriffs are voted in by their constituents. The only people that oversee them really are the voters. Okay. Where the local police, city council, it's tied into the local governance. So I can never get in with police departments. The only one, Glendale Police, basically Phoenix, shout out to Glendale Police. They let me do my thing. Other than that, nobody. But the sheriffs, if you get a good sheriff, like I got in Yuma County, Sheriff Wilmot, like straight out of the movies, handlebar mustache, got the cowboy hat on. Unreal. And he brought me and the camera and the audience into stuff that no one was getting access to. Because Customs and Border Protection had a gag order. No one could speak. And it was insane. So the problem right now, whatever media you're watching, everything's got a bias. It's not the real story. Everything's got a bias. And so some people didn't even know there was a situation really going on. Other people think like America's going to blow up tomorrow. Yep. And there's no real place to go where truth is the North Star. At least I haven't found it in media. I don't know where you go. You have to read wide. You have to watch wide. So again, a lot of the benefits you have in this country, freedom is one of those amazing limited restrictions, but also massive optionality and the inability to coordinate, right? Like you can't get top down with that. The same thing where. I don't think that this is the case in the UK, right? You have Northumbria Police Constabulary, which will be for Newcastle, the city that I was from, Northumbria being the county. And it's one cohesive unit. Yep. And there'll be divisions and whatever else in that. But this means if you've got the sheriff and his guys, then you've got Austin PD and their guys. And then there's probably some bullshit with Travis County as well too, trying to coordinate that because you've got these systems that are all trying to. Interlock. And there'll be a little bit of power struggle. And it doesn't take much. Anybody that's worked in a company that's grown quickly or anybody that's been a part of a startup or seen any business that's trying to grow, as soon as you go from founder plus founder and assistant plus founder and assistant to someone, it doesn't take long before the diseconomies of scale really come online. All the coordination, the communication problems, things get missed. Everybody's doing the fucking Spider-Man meme thing where they're looking at someone else whose job it's supposed to be. Sure. That's what you have to do. You have in a country that's like that. And because it's so new, there can be little power grabs. Oh, we'll build this. We'll build that. And before you know it, why haven't we pruned this area of this particular bureaucracy? And the disadvantage that we have in the UK is that because it's been around for so long, we've accumulated loads of pomp and circumstance and bullshit. There are all of these. When I graduated from university, both times there's this insane procession of stuff. There's a mace bearer, the dude carrying a fucking medieval weapon, and everybody dots their caps in different orders to people based on hierarchy. And it's like cool and kitschy and old and worldy or whatever, this old university thing. But that's also the way that the police is run. And that's also the way that people are voted in. And that's also the way that the House of Commons works. And that's also the way the banking system works. So because it's old, you can't do anything about it. You can't do anything about it. You have a lot of the bullshit that's been pruned is good because things that weren't able to contribute have been gotten rid of. But there's also loads of superfluous horse shit that's in there too. So it's just, again, the only two countries that I can speak on with any degree of non-expertise is the UK and the US. And what I see in the US is a huge coordination problem because it's so big and so sprawling. And there's been, I don't want to say a power grab, but you guys have had to build quickly for 250 years. Yeah. Three lifetimes. Dude, it is nothing. There's trees in my garden that are older in the UK that are older than this fucking country. So it's not a surprise that it's a challenge. And then changing technologies, whatever's going on geopolitically, people coming across the border, it's fucking gnarly. It's messy. The good side of that would be, hey, without those sheriffs, there's no way any of us would have seen what I could show if it was completely top-down in that sense. Now, in America's founding, the crown, the king didn't want us to move past Appalachia. Too much to manage, too many skirmishes with the natives. I mean, that's what, it's such a massive thing to manage where you don't have some of these autonomous things working in the spirit of America. America's all the crazies, you being one of them, right? You came here without like no guarantee. You had your thing going. So you had some footing, some foundation, but think of most that came here. How long was the journey for the original migrants that came to America? A few hundred years ago. It would be six weeks on a ship or something from fucking Ireland, from some port, probably an island or on the west coast of the UK. My family came over in 1918 on a boat from Italy, from Naples. No English, 18 years old. It was great-grandparents, a great-grandmother, great-grandfather. They all came into Hoboken, New Jersey. I mean, the first European, no, no, more like a little bit, like a little bit, newer than that. It's like 1800s. Try like, because I have to assume that that would have been 1800s. Most immigrants from Europe and America spent four to eight weeks at sea by sailing ship. Okay. By the late 1800s, steamships had made it faster, even one to two weeks on a ship. But that at the start of the 1800s, hey, dude, do you want to go to this place that you have absolutely no idea what it's like? It's basically undeveloped. There isn't much going on. There was a revolution recently. Maybe it's over. I think so. I'm not really too sure. It's going to take between a month and two months. Survival, yeah, maybe. Want to go? That is why this country is filled with people that are risk-takers. They're the progeny of people that went, fuck it, let's get on that ship for two months. And then the ones that went west into native lands, like how sketchy would that have been? So it attracts that. It always has. And you're the latest iteration. That's true. Tell me about this thing you did in the Hamptons. Because when you're thinking about rural, off-grids, I don't immediately think of the Hamptons as being in that mix. So the Hamptons met up with this guy, Jimmy, Jimmy Ding. Ding because he fixes surfboards, the dings on surfboards. Great name. And we started at the dumps. So, think of the most bougie, one of the most bougie zip codes in the country. We started at the dumps because Jimmy's old school local. And so what I wanted to show is like you can label the hamptons i always thought of starch linens helicopters big pads but there's a whole working class that lives there in many of these wealthy places right so i just got in his story a fascinating guy grew up there fishermen and you see a lot of the tension that exists in these places where the real estate shot up so much how do you hang on right how does a guy like jimmy what in what um period of time did the real estate go vertical well it was always a it was always a place for new york city's elite to get out of the city been desirable for a while yeah but there was enough land and space back in the i believe his family got a place back in the 50s or 60s dirt cheap to get a a normal home and now it's just through the roof and it's everywhere in the country and i think in the uk too right correct yeah it depends it seems like it's a worldwide phenomenon it depends where you want to live um the uk is an interesting one so i'm from the most northerly town that isn't scotland i'm as far north as you can go uh in game of thrones which is loosely based on the war of the roses from like the 10 000 a.d winterfell which is the fucking freezing cold dark miserable place that the starks are from that's based on newcastle so that's newcastle and then there's a wall right there's the ice wall that's hadrian's wall and not far from us so there is a there was there is a wall that's still there that was meant to keep the barbarians out and they were the scots and if you were to spend maybe now 150 000 pounds so two hundred thousand dollars something like that maybe 180 you could get a very nice family home probably semi-detached terraced in a you know it'd be a early 1900s builds brick it'll be really nicely but it's not going to be super cool modern but it'll be kitschy and really really nice and there'll be enough space especially for something in the uk if you take that amount of money and try to go to london you've got two years of rent yeah right or three years of rent maybe if you're lucky it is the uk i think is the whatever fifth biggest tenth biggest economy in the world something like that so people look at the uk as a rich country but the uk is a poor country that surrounds a very rich country rich city and the city is london and the city is really the city of london yeah and that is the financial hub and then you've got this sprawl out into westminster and then london and greater london and then the other side of the m25 and it starts to fall off a bit more and then you get to birmingham and manchester and newcastle and so it's affordable depending on where you want to be is there a lot of tension between the the london crowd and the rural crowd not particularly at least maybe the rural crowd when it comes to sort of farming and stuff like that that wasn't something i was integrated in it certainly felt to me growing up in stockton on tees which is 50 miles south of newcastle uh famous for having the uk's widest high street and the highest teen pregnancy rating in the uk and then it lost that you weren't part of that i wasn't i was desperately trying to contribute but i was a horrendously uncool teenager and then i never thought a london is being a part of what i was a part of okay it didn't feel like a part of the same country it was i guess and i maybe i went when i was like 17 or 18 a few times but i it really is south versus north because the the shape of the country is so particular right it's long and thin and you talk about south no one's talking about east versus west like there is a difference between people that are from liverpool and people that are from newcastle of people that are from manchester and people that are from newcastle and people that are from london and people that are from leeds right going left to right but no one really gives a fuck like it's just people with different silly accents but north to south as soon as you get below birmingham and you start to get toward london that's when things there is definitely a sense that oh these are two different cultures don't forget the two kind of different climates like it is different to go it's not that far it's three hours on a train a pretty quick train but it's you know 400 miles something like that yeah and that difference is not insignificant when it comes to the weather like to go from the northeast where we are to the south coast because also we're next to the north sea that's the coldest sea i think in the world and it's really fucking dangerous but yeah um there is definitely a detachment um if you're not in london you are not really considered much by the press press stories aren't bothered about what's going on in fucking rotherham right they don't care about whether stoke-on-trent has got some issue that's occurring locally socially it will be on local news but it's not going to break out international news so it is it is all of the money and all of the attention is just focused on london and that's fine what about isle of man is that when you have big bucks and you're trying to avoid the taxes i don't know whether there's a tax haven out there i know there's a big festival i've been to i spent a little bit of time near there and it's a retirement place for a lot of people i know that's interesting i don't know if it's a retirement place for a lot of people i mean dude if you look at even the uk the fucking hebrides these islands off the northwest of scotland i think my map yeah the can you pull up google maps jared we can just do it on the big screen just search hebrides for me and um it is so fucking cool up there like uh i gotta get out there fred again did a tour of stornoway i think it was so stornoway is one of these islands and um yeah just the the amount of variety that you do have in in a place that's got such population density is pretty fucking cool yeah the hebrides so look at that dude look at where that is so zoom in for me jared kirkwall what's up there yeah so look at this dude wow that's the hebrides there and it's just such a so this was halfway between what the um the fingers i think were from game of thrones look at but yeah all of that that's the isle of sky that you can see this skyd um i bet the accent really changes out there huh on some of those islands i don't know i'm not scottish enough to be able to tell you what the difference would be between them and somebody that's maybe from glasgow go across for me jared just pan east okay so berwick-upon-tweed top right okay there that is the border so you can see the border sort of cutting through then it cuts down to northumberland national park and then it cuts down to northumberland national park and then it cuts down to and there's annick which is a place that i would go and uh go to like there's some national parks the equivalent of national parks in the uk the difference between berwick-upon-tweed annick and dunbar is annick completely english accent berwick-upon-tweed is 20 miles away you're like there's something going on here and then by the time that you get to another 20 miles away in dunbar it is completely scottish so the difference is so fucking stark yeah remembering that this isn't like driving across the border from france to fucking switzerland or something this is you being in the same the same money the same everything but just it is so and then pan down a bit more for me and then you can see there's newcastle so that's the place that that i grew up in and then stockton-on-tees below it which is where i actually was born so yeah the north of the uk is kind of fascinating but dude it's you keep going down and you keep going down there's leeds people are kind of interested in leeds there's manchester liverpool okay there's some ports and shit that are going on there but no one gives a fuck sheffield no one gives a fuck nobody cares at all keeping going down stoke-on-trent definitely no one gives a fuck nottingham nothing birmingham kind of a little bit i guess manchester a little bit there's some stuff going on you're still going down you're still peterborough absolutely nothing cambridge oxford lutens and albans okay and then you get to london right you've got the m25 which is that ring that goes around the outside of it and if you're outside that people kind of don't really care all that much there's some bits like people give a shit if there's a big deal in manchester maybe birmingham but you get away from this and people really don't don't care they don't even go out to dover right uh no no not really i don't think i'm in a dover yeah um did you know there's an island in the united states in maryland that some of the old-timers still speak a form of elizabethan english no but i completely endorse it yeah so i met this guy i made a video with him he's actually in the book too his name is jerry his family's been there 374 years and he's got you're gonna love the accent is there a video of this guy can we get video of him up okay what do we search smith island i would just type in peter santanello smith island a lot of brits watch my channel too and they're like that that guy sounds straight out of leeds i forget where we're okay oh this is gonna be fucking fascinating allow me to diagnose his accent he's a water man that's a british term right this one his family lived on that yeah that one hey how you doing i mean this guy he's a yarny what's a yarny let me is that a british word yarny which means it's like an old english word for friend that means friend yarny yeah is this the guy is this the guy that you're thinking has got an english accent yeah i guess no no no i'm sorry it's southern southern it's very fucking southern a few words come through all right let me see someone else let me hear this these guys talk Four or five days would be a good soak time for them now. Yeah. I guess the kittyfishes ate them all up. They're eating oysters. I don't know what he's saying. They're eating oysters too? Yeah, the man had it on their pictures. He had minos, oysters, big clams, and a lot of crabs. Okay, so, I mean, they look like lovely gentlemen. I wholeheartedly support an accent-driven recolonization of this country from England, but that is fucking cultural appropriation, if ever I've heard it, if you think that that guy sounds English. I'm sorry. Not pissing on the parade. Jerry's a great guy. Let's see that guy. Let's see that guy in the black T-shirt. Last chance. Scoot back. Press that, yeah. Or is that the same bloke? That's Jerry. Okay, so maybe it's a bit of a stretch. He says some old English words. Okay. I don't care about the words. What I care is how they're said. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's not what you say, it's how you say it. It's got a bit of a stretch. It's got a bit of a Carolina brogue to it. Yeah. Well, look, me with my smoking pipe, I can. That might help. After all of the different communities that you've spent time with, like Navajo, Amish, you pick, which one could you see yourself most living with full-time, do you think? Man. You have to up six, and you have to spend the rest of your days somewhere in a community of people. Where would it be? I like being a free agent so much. I respect and honor all these groups, and I can admire what they're doing, and the families that's been in a place for 10 generations, that's really cool. But I've always had friends from every background and never belonged to a specific group. And that scares me for some reason, like just being in that group dynamic. Do you feel displaced a lot of the time from that? No. It's almost like I belong to a group, and I belong everywhere and belong nowhere at the same time. Like I like learning and like getting into different groups, but to be Amish, maybe two years, but then after a year or two, you're like. Do you think this would be harder? Obviously, you did this before you met your missus, but do you think this would be harder if you didn't have the unit, like the you and another person relationship unit thing? Because it feels to me like it could be quite destabilizing. You might feel a little uncertain on ground level. A hundred percent. So my wife edits. So this is our baby, this whole thing. Oh, cool. This channel. It's a family affair. Family affair. We got a mini dog. So that's the extent of it. So it's you and a GoPro? It's me and a GoPro. I figure out the story, she edits. Wow. But we worked. Commandeered some Ukrainian workforce. There are half-working people. It wasn't my intention, but it turned out that way. That we're fully in it together. So we have that bond, but totally, if I had to hire an outside editor, and it was just like sending files of video off and working that way, I think you're right. I think it would be destabilizing, but we're very tight. I mean, okay. The only two other people, we have a guy that does translations in Thailand, American guy, just to do the translations for videos in a virtual assistant in Thailand, no, Philippines. Lean team. Yeah. So he takes my emails and puts them in monday.com for organization. That's it. Do you know Ryan Trahan? Do you know him? Yeah. So Ryan got rid of everybody. No way. Just him and an iPhone. Are you serious? He doesn't. Who edits? Him. Are you serious? Correct. The guy that's doing numbers not far off Mr. Beast. Wow. Is him, an iPhone. His wife's there, but just, I think, largely hanging and just like kind of a moral support. Good for him. Him with an iPhone. And yeah, he's. Because here's the deal with this, this works. I got the logistics of it. Got to get to the location, got to figure out the story first. It's a day of shooting. You can either be more of a creator or more of a manager in, in the video space, I think. Correct. And I don't want to manage, like it hurts the quality of the video. I remember I had someone working for me and she was great. She set up a lot of stuff in the channel, but there was drama before going out to a video and my password, Facebook password. My password was given to a marketing company and I'm like, oh, like dealing with chaos. And then we had a blow up. It wrecked the video. And then I wrecked the video because I went out there and I was late and everything got messed up. So I need to be in my own head and space a long time with no interruptions. There's an essay called "Manager Mode Versus Maker Mode" by Paul Graham, who is the main guy at YC. And it is kind of a fundamental frame that everybody needs to know. You cannot be in maker mode if you're in manager mode, it's, it's actually impossible. And basically as soon as you get drawn into admin, executive function, planning, logistics, operations, as soon as you do that, no matter what it is, your capacity to get back into blue sky, sort of fluid thinking, just vibing with it, man, world is basically impossible. And this is the trajectory of literally talking to Ryan Long about it. This is the trajectory where people get things wrong when they try to build a business and it's a temptation. They, they get things wrong. It is a, a hurdle that you need to get a series of hurdles and endless series of hurdles. You always need to get over it. At each one of them that you fall at, it slows things down and it worsens the quality of your output. A hundred percent. It's dangerous. And some people have the skills that they can flip between both quickly. I don't have that. I'm yet to meet anybody that. Is great at going from manager mode to make a mode within the same day. I think you can degrade from starting off making something and then there's a catastrophe and you fall into logistics mode. Yeah. I don't know a single person. I've never met a single person who can start a day off in manager mode and become maker mode after lunch. It it's straight up is a one way street. Yep. And this is why, if you're going to organize your, you know, if you're a burgeoning executive or, you know, an online PT or something, and you have calls or you have to do. You know, if you're going to have client check-ins or whatever, just pick a day or a bunch of days and have those written off, start to finish, I just, I'm in pure Adderall and tonic energy, like cranking out all of my productivity and then I leave myself time that's sacred or the alternative if you can't take entire days is to have your morning because you can go from maker to manager, but you can't go from manager to maker. Yeah, that makes sense. That's the way to do it. Peter Sananello, ladies and gentlemen, dude, you absolutely fucking rule. Thank you. I think your content's amazing. Appreciate it. I really applaud you for trying to bring lightness and, you know, levity to stories that people think is a little bit more dark. Uh, where should people go to get everything on you on everything? Just Peter Santanello, tough name to spell. So Peter Sant, and I'll usually come up. I got a website with everything, the book tour coming up. I don't know when you're posting this, got a book tour. I'm all over the country, signing books, got the book dropping, got the videos on YouTube. So you're the man that's where it's at. I really appreciate you and what you do. So thank you. Thanks for, thanks for the great conversation. It's a pleasure, man. All right. Goodbye, my beauties. All right. See you next time. Dude. Yes. Thank you. Fuck you. Thanks, Chris. 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