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salad you ready Liam you ready to go you ready to go I am I am oh yes yes uh we're not gonna go do both take Monday yet because we have two news items we got to talk about number one the off it is official the twenty four team playoff is very much here it is here and it will be glorious if you like it it will be in glorious if you do not like it uh whatever your feelings on it if you're a proponent or an opponent it's coming regardless so here we go the twenty four team playoff is here we're losing the conference championship games big ten championship game SEC championship game all the conference championship games the big ones are going away they will no longer be with us um I understand uh now they also came out today and said everybody's gonna have to have ten power for games coming very soon which I think is a big step towards helping schedule disparity which is how we get uh unworthy teams two years ago like Indiana unworthy teams like Texas A&M last year's scheduled disparity is something that really hurts college football and um any steps to get rid of it are good Liam have you made peace yet with the twenty fourteen playoff no I I like college football lie like football I'm gonna watch regardless um it took me two years to be contact and cool with the twelve team playoff uh twenty four teams I don't expect to like I don't really expect to ever like it but I could it's out in the round possibilities but none of it appeals to me I am a big believer and proponent of hey you gotta go out there win a lot of football games to stake your claim and show that you're worthy of fighting and competing for a national title in the postseason we're getting at seven five eight four teams in the playoff that doesn't excite me yeah I don't get that one at all if there are seven and five and eight four team and they don't belong in the playoff they won't last in the playoff very long it's a playoff for a reason have a minute no no no no no it's a playoff for a reason the playoff is uh you put them on the field and you determine it the ones who deserve to go on and play for a national title let me go man the ones who deserve to play for a national title will win the first round games and go play for a national title and another thing is um this doesn't kill bowl games bowl games died a long time ago and anyone pretending they haven't is lying to themselves um I think we're entering a world we're already in a world of college football parity the likes we have never seen before and the reason there's so much sticker shock on this for a lot of people is we drug we dragged our feet for way too long in college football and had an archaic stupid system far too long into the 2000s and finally we're starting to catch up it's 24 a good number I would argue it's eight to many I would say 16 would be the number I would have hoped to get to and I would argue that maybe 12 team you could have given it a decade before it grew stale but ultimately college football is changing at a very very fast pace and they're trying to get ahead of the change on this one they haven't gotten ahead of any other change they didn't get an an IL they didn't get ahead of transfer portal they are trying to get ahead of this one and I think in 10 years those who are poo pooing the 2014 playoff uh we'll look back and think they were crazy and they were wrong yeah I mean maybe that could happen I didn't exactly like whoever the guy's name is going to be like yeah we see the fans are objected to this we don't care we want to create the most my uh sorry I threw it in slip we want to create the best playoff postseason possible which is just we want the most money possible cool good for you uh killing the conference championships is going to hurt me a little bit bowl games I'm not going to poo poo about like that has been dead for a long time is what it is has nothing to do with this at all um I I care about how where this is going and how this is clearly headed to SEC and big 10 prominence and dominance and not wanting much else in the sport they'll take some of the best from the ACC and the big 12 and they'll create their super conglomerate conference cool I'm not interested in that uh I don't like that this is again like you're gonna have in for SEC big 10 whatever a b teams in the college football playoff that that I don't I don't I don't care about that man I will never care about that I don't get that I don't get that objection they'll be going in the first round if they don't belong and then what this isn't about this isn't this is about uh this is about molding your postseason into a postseason that gives you a true champion on the field and that is what is going to happen uh if an eight and four team sneaks in every other year I it's up to the 10 it's up to the 10 and 2 number 9 Z to beat them I guess I like I don't I don't know what to tell you I I just think I'd rather have that eight and four uh team playing a meaningful January game than playing the Reliah Quest Bowl against Wake Forest like I just I I think 10 years from now we will all realize it took us way too long to change to this is it the best system no I would have gone 16 I'm with you there I'm with you there and that would have gotten that would have kept you're eight and four teams out I'm with you there but I I anybody anybody not wanting this playoff because of what the 24 teams record uh will be I believe is missing the best part of the playoff which is the the teams at one two three four and five we're going to really have to fucking earn it yeah I mean I won't disagree there but I will be pretty stubborn about growing up watching the sport seeing the best teams have to be near perfect and now you have a lot of room for air I get that that's more professional like they're going to a more professional NFL style and system I get it but these are my thoughts and my feelings I'm I'm a pretty stubborn guy at times I don't like change, I don't expect to like this. It is what is man and i know that they're going to be regular season games that don't have as much of a feel and i kind of don't i don't know the way more games in the regular season that do have a bit you say that now but like what has happened it has happened in the twelve team play off a lot of people said twelve was too many and it's gonna devalue the regular season look at this november we got man look at it look at this november we got was always going to be terrific anyway i don't i don't know i mean i if i if i two like texas ls u this weekend uh. would not matter any and maybe that's not a good example but there are other games um. you know alabama ls u last week and they both have two losses with that game of matter ten years ago no not really so i i i i think we've got a lot of football the twelve team playoff has given us more meaningful football in the regular season not less and i think that is going to be true going for but i like disagreeing that this is good disagreement is good they have the only thing i like is the ten power for games i think that's good but i also look at flipside like nobody's going to want schedule jm u as one of their non power for games nobody's going to want schedule north to go state like even more so now those teams are going to have a lot of trouble fielding their games there's going to be a rush a great rush to schedule games in two thousand fifty three to go and get rockers on the schedule now for certain teams to fill this out and then i think about how you know that there's twenty four spots available i know that twenty three of them belong to power four teams that's just how it's going to be and to me if you are doing this great celebration of the sport you are doing this big time college football playoff the group of six is never gonna get a sniff of the table side from one scene cool they have a seat at the table but they had two teams go what twelve and eleven one their body of work is good they're still not going to get the benefit out over eight and four blah blah team and that does upset me because if this is all about showing who the best team in college football is then let's really do that yeah we fundamentally disagree there too um of course you don't like the little guy they're cute stories i don't care about i mean i would i would care about the little guy i mean i don't mind them having a spot the table i like last year when they got to we saw that just all that yeah yeah yeah yeah in the first week i play off one of the best performances of a team in the first round that ruined the first week in the playoff like i did not the first round the playoff was joke regardless Miami Texas A&M didn't do anything for you yeah and uh did what sexist tech the first round of the second round one of them got to buy right next tech was the but but but but but but yeah second route yeah anyway um i will say this uh people in the chat are saying it there's other people saying um that this is all a money grab and getting rid of the conference championship games is a big uh it's a big byproduct of the money grab and it's a shame we're losing them i don't want to do a quick history lesson for everybody but the conference championship games are some of the two of the biggest money grabs in the history of this sport look i in the early 90s wouldn't have conference championship games we had regular conference standings and we determined our champion that way the SEC in 19 early 1990s 1992 to be exact got a big brain idea hey if we split into divisions and then we had a conference championship game we can make a shit ton of money and the big 12 in the ACC and the and the everybody else like huh we really could there the the conference championship games well the biggest money grabs you will ever see in sports so them going away for this money grab i'm not gonna i'm not gonna cry for our you argentina like this isn't this is just replacing a money grab i don't get the big 12 thing they said that they're going to replace the conference championship during the regular season i'm not sure what that means at all that mean they're going to make a little turn there might be doing a little mini tournament like take their top four seats the last couple of weeks and do that big 12th cup i mean i guess that's a little interesting to the guy in chat that said uh trying to trying to insert stuff for brown walker and i talking about college football unbiased with our teams doing anything and then be like you realize you say one in May of 14 pl have done what's my team have to do with anything wasn't supposed to be state UCLA have to do with anything we're two national college football guys that care and love and respect the sport from top to bottom our teams have nothing to do with that ever we're gonna talk play i have a like what are we doing come on play hi roughnecks will be right back after this word from our sponsor still blue coffees new can lattes are here crafted 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Smith season tanking due to uh his team just absolutely shitting itself now he hasn't gone anywhere he's still in in the uh top three favorites of the heisman he's not number one anymore uh who wins the fucking heisman because right now the betting favorite on draftings is cj car you know how many relevant game cj car has left right yeah maybe one at smu and and and that could be a decent game it might not be i don't know we'll see um but cj car has got at best one big game left i wrote down cars at plus two 20 mystamic are men says at plus two fifty he's got what's he got left the conference championship game that like that's pretty much it right um you've got Jeremiah Smith at plus two eighty they can't score they can't do anything they can't stop anybody they're just there's nothing inspiring coming out of that then it takes a big leap to drew mystamic or plus 1550 that's intriguing to make as he has a big game against Texas tech this weekend um but i don't know that he's got a path to a conference championship game which i believe he would need to win a heisman trophy uh you've got damper at a 1800 he would have a path to a conference championship game killing russell at plus 2400 and then it falls off from there who wins the heisman trophy i i i i don't know if feels like one the worst heisman racist of our lifetime i know that i feel like a race at all does it oh it's it's much of a a trot if that um i guess i am inclined to mess maker their favorite against techs tech this week should be a ton of points he's got what second most past touchdowns in the country are first and then first second passing yards he's been exceptional all year i think about night shepherd i think about a lowly plus a thousand yeah like i think about a lowly heisman race where nobody's going up and grabbing it was wrong with the dude crying back who it's a great intriguing story where his quarterback and literacy relieve them and both of them are like hey you know mensa gets the offer from Miami it's like hey man i got this crazy offer you want to come with me in Miami gets us no states true to Duke there what seven and two right now he's Russian for three four five touchdowns a week balling out tons of yards so good like a legit NFL back and won't get a sniff of heisman love it's interesting has it um have you noticed the team still alive to make the ACC championship you are a list them uh so last year we had the uh we had the crazy after all that Miami would play for a national title but we had Duke and Virginia in the car and the championship game i don't think we can get two crazy teams in the this year but like climsons right climsons right there like if sm u wait if sm u beats wake forest this weekend and everybody's five and two all of a sudden or six and two for sm u it'd be sm u Louisville wake forest uh Duke climson all with two losses now i know there'll be some cross-ball nation with the schedules but like we could be headed towards another uh have to get the calculator out to figure out the ACC at least the team gets to lose to Miami this is uh heads or tails at the catfish factory again i have an announcement to make what's the announcement i have the commercial somebody says wake not losing the sm u yeah it's very bright to say that during this season of wake forest is the one untouchable team that can't lose to anybody that's right on the road to sm u they definitely can't lose that i have the commercial and i'll tell you the commercial after i tell you about draft Kings football has a way of turning one game into a full week of conversation and draft Kings heaps true close to all of it the draft Kings sports habits now live in all 50 states that means from Texas to California to Florida every fan is in on the excitement fall the teams you love keep up with the biggest games and experience the excitement of football all week long no matter which game you're watching you're always connected with one half one half every sport all 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One non-withdrawable reward redeemable. Terms at DKNG.co/offer. Limited time offer. Nationwide based on sportsbook predictions and free-to-play sports contest availability. Ferrys by state. I have the commercial. Now, before I say this, just I would like everybody to know I will do anything for money. So any company out there that wants me to advertise their product, I will do so happily. Why is Peyton Manning selling centus? Why is former legendary Hall of Fame quarterback Peyton Manning standing in front of a group of employees going on and on about centus? Centus is a brand of workware clothing that I don't know how many people go out and buy centus on their own. Like you ever go on the source I'm going to buy centus? Like he is pitching for centus to an audience that isn't going to go buy centus. I don't know why Peyton Manning is standing there and he says his name is Karl. The jokes are really corny. It's really stupid. He's wearing the stupid. What the fuck? Like Peyton, you got a lot of money. Why? I don't understand that commercial. Centus isn't like available in stores. You got to go work it. You got to go work at the airport being the bad guy and be working on the ramp throwing the bags to wear centus. Centus, you got to be a welder to wear their pants, don't you? It just centus starts selling clothes that I don't know about. Centus, a great company, fantastic stuff. I've had many jobs where I wore centus, but I never, I never went to the store and said Peyton Manning told me to come buy centus. I don't understand the connection. I don't understand why Peyton Manning is hawking centus. What is, why is he selling it? Well, who's buying it? These are Michigan coaching staff. By the way, we don't advertise centus. They're wonderful people. Brandon, you would advertise them. Oh my god, I'd be wearing centus right now. I've got multiple jobs where I wore centus pairs. A little gas station shirt with a ball an hour. Come on. Yeah. Yeah. Tax DJ. Oh, hold on. Your life, but it's good. Yeah, share it by shout out. Shout out. Shout out. DJ, get changed. We have to get them to centus. We might just come up with a billion dollar black Friday idea. God, I see my kids numbers are in here. Who's DJ farting pants? I don't what's CJ's last names now start with? In the age, not farting pants. No, I thought it was a B. Why is it ringing? CJ. Please leave your message. Stop, damn it. Oh, tell him later. Well, I just guess it right. Anyway, hello, good to see you. Who wins the highest win? Do we answer that one? I've written that. I just now time for Boldtake Monday. Boldtake Monday. Let's go. Liam, go Boldtake Monday. Boldtake number one. Boldtake number one is I, you know, I want poo poo on Michigan. Michigan fans have acted like the sky's on the other. Yes, it has. They fired chasing back. Everything is soft now. Every problem is solved wrong. That's one problem. There's a million problems. They go to Austin this week. They go to Oregon. Offense coordinator change. They score zero points. They're shut out. They realize, hey, everything stinks. Everything is awful. Everything's awful. I went to go look at the odds on a on a shut out. I might have to look again. Their team total is only all the way down the seven and a half, but zero point Michigan this week. Here's the thing. Did you get confused on what day it is? It's Boldtake Monday. Boldtake Monday, Brandon and their team total seven and a half is plus two, 15. You've got Michigan not being good on offense as your Boldtake. I weigh you, I mean, per to the odds. That would be a Boldtake. Yeah. What do you mean? I have under seven and a half is plus two hundred. What would the shut out be? Like eight hundred? I've got Boldtake. Your brother just took a point from you. I've got Boldtake number one. Are you ready? Yes. And also ran takes out a playoff hopeful in the SEC this weekend. A team whose season is pretty much done takes out a team who is currently hopeful of being in the playoff. I have two candidates and I'm leaning heavily towards one. And that one that I'm leaning towards is I'm leaning towards Texas A&M taking out Tennessee in college station this weekend. Tennessee has a brand of football that does not travel. Tennessee is not good away from Neal and Stadium. Tennessee struggled at Arkansas. Tennessee lost its South Carolina. They are not good outside of Neal and Stadium. They're going to Kyle Field and I don't know if you've been paying attention. A&M who is not good has played better recently. They were the game South Carolina fits. They gave Alabama a fit for three and a half quarters. I think A&M has the ability to get Tennessee this weekend and the other one would be and this is a stretch of a playoff contender. But South Carolina technically with real losses is still kind of in there. I think Arkansas could could possibly beat South Carolina. Arkansas is a bad football team. They've been close recently. And South Carolina believe they have Georgia coming up soon. They've been had some big games. But they weren't that good the other day in the North. Sellers is a little got a little bit of stuff going on right now. I think an also ran takes out an SEC playoff contender in this this week thoughts. I haven't heard that term before. I like that turn also ran. Yeah, I've never heard of that. Yeah, it's an also ran. I like that. Texas A&M I meant to bring this up on Saturday in that gaming in South Carolina. First team in college football history that 450 plus tall yards of offense zero turnovers score zero touchdowns. Yeah, that's bad. That's bad. But they're close. They're closer than you think they are. I believe that that spread. They're only two and a half point underdog. Yeah. Tennessee just does not travel well. That's all I get it. And there are offenses and anything to write home about obviously. I I using that same logic that same bull take like I had an epiphany on whoop this morning talking in T-bob and was like, dude, yeah, I said, if else you beat Texas, I said in August that Texas A&M was going to make Texas go in for a miss the playoff. I think there ain't no way, but I didn't think it happened. That would be an also ran doing it. Yes, it would. Yeah, what what's your second bull take? I think we have talked about extensively for a few months now since like what week three, week four, Cal Cal's a dumpster fire. It's not going well. Tasha boy just guys contract like two, three weeks ago. He just signed it. He'd been coaching the whole year without signing contract. Cool, whatever. We all know Ron Rivera wanted that head coaching job. We all know he, but but the big money at Cal, they wanted Tasha bad. And it wasn't a real interview process. Ron Rivera ends up doing the GM stuff. Now, all these leaks are coming out about Tasha. I mean, what week it could spare his eyes? Who's pulling out the leaks? Probably Ron. They don't like each other's friction. I think what's going to happen is Ron is going to stab Tasha right in his stomach, fire him, immediately take the head coaching job and be the head coach of the Cal Golden Bears. Ron Rivera. Ron Rivera. He just stabs him right in his stomach right in the stomach and not not even in the steps over his dead body and just takes the job. Look at him eye to eye man to man stab stab stab my job now. Not even in the back. Just just bang. No, tell him right to his face. This is my this is my program. Bull take number two for me. Indiana comes off their by-week a different team and makes another run to the national championship game. Indiana has not been good enough offensively. I don't know if they've been good enough defensively. They have certainly looked the part defensively but my god they played a string of shitty offenses. Minnesota, Michigan, Nebraska. But I believe I trust that their defense is real. So I'm going to go ahead and say their defense is real. They did stop. They did slow down and should have beaten Ohio State with Julian saying playing for most of that game. So I will give the defense credit. They have the best coaching staff in America. They have two of the 10 best receivers in America. What they need to figure out is how to block a little better, how to run a little better and how to throw the ball to the receivers a little bit better. But it ain't far off. It is not far off. I believe there's There's no other actual national title contender in the big 10. So they're it and I can see them getting a favorable draw. They're going to have a very good seed. I can see Indiana because their coaching staff is so good going under the hood in the biweek coming out. They have nothing left to really do. They got USC this weekend and after that, they're cruising. It's easy peasy from here on out. They get ready for the playoff. I think they can make another run to the national championship game, not to win it. That game because George is winning it, in my opinion. I think that's a pretty good bull take Monday. They are pretty good. I mean, one opportunity they have this week against USC in their defense. Can I tell you the other bull take? I just kind of ate just so I can get the Indiana one out. Somebody says UCLA is better in Indiana. I disagree, but we'll see. We'll probably see. We'll get to see. I really thought about saying Alabama and Georgia were headed for their third national title game against each other in the last 10 years. Oh, because if you, if your hand was, you know, if I had a gun to your head and said, name the best two teams in the country, you don't take long before you say George and Alabama, right? I know you say Georgia first. How far you got to go before you say the word Alabama. It ain't far. Is it? Probably not. Yeah, like you might say Miami first. You might say I still love this by I don't trust them in the trenches. You might say Notre Dame first. I don't know. This is just what I'm saying. You might say. Uh, but, but Alabama's, you're not saying five teams before you get to Alabama. No, I, I can't think of who my second best team in the country is. Georgia won. It has been for years, but to like, there's such a seismic gap. I don't know where I would go. What's your third Baltic? And not saying that this is a this year thing, but I'm saying that this is in his career thing and our lifetime thing. In Ryan Day and Ohio State eventually break up, it will not be a Ohio State telling him goodbye. It will be Ryan Day leaving on his own accord. It would be Ryan Day saying, Hey, you know what? I'm going to go to the NFL or hey, I'm going to take a job. Uh, I'm going to take a lesser job. I truthfully think at some point, I just feel like this, this is just opinion. I think he's going to crack under all this pressure. Say, I don't care about this. Like these people, they don't care about me. They don't respect me. I'm going to go prove that I could be a top tier head coach, whether it's in the NFL or college football without all these Lamborghini's and Ferraris. I could do it on my own, starting up somewhere else and get it done. And I think that ties into his Michigan thing of we're going to beat you your way. I'm going to coach my way and prove everyone wrong. My third bull take, by the way, we got Michigan State coach, Pafistero coming up to the show. I don't know if I ever said that. My third bull take that one's not about, but I don't mind that him just kind of going back to like the roots of football and saying, you know what? You say I'm not a coach. I'm more, I'm born on third base, watch me go to any base in this country and win football games. That's what you're saying, right? Yeah. Watch me go to the name of school. Mississippi State. Tulsa. Oh, maybe not Tulsa. Oklahoma State. Yeah. I was thinking more like solid power for. Yeah. I have two more ones kind of bold ones, not as bold, but I want to say it anyway. So my last bull take the first year of the 2014 playoff next year will set the all-time record for coaches fired around this country. There are what 65 to 69. I don't know the exact number. It kind of has gone up and down 65 power four teams. Is that about right? Yeah. There's 24 spots. There's probably five unfierable guys in the country. There's probably five more that'll be in there, or maybe five or six more that'll be in there first or second year. Other than that, after next season, every power four team that doesn't make the playoff, 90% of them will at least have a conversation. Do we have the right guy? And I think this year is going to be a relatively quiet year in the coaching front. We'll have five, six, seven, however many we end up with. But I think next year, as we get the first 2014 playoff, it will unleash holy hell and be the greatest coaching migration change in the history of this sport. I have a strong agree to that. Yeah. It's going to be nasty out there. It's going to be nasty. I was DMing like my friends yesterday and today about that exact same thing. I see the same way as you. My last take, which is not that bowl of a take, Florida State does not make a splash higher in the sense of what you would expect Florida State to maybe try to do. They're not going to go get an Urban Meyer, they're not going to go get, I think they're not going to make a splash higher. They're not going to do Jimbo Fisher, they're not going to do anything loud. They're not going to take a, you know, a big time guy from a big time school. I think they're not going to make a splash higher, they're going to make the right higher. And the three guys I have on the right hire list and the first one could be a little bit splashy, depending on if he makes the playoff or not. But the three guys I've got on here are just fundamentally good coaches who I believe could go in there and win games and be the right fit, not necessarily bang. Let's make a loud noise. I believe it's Jake Dickert. It's Manny Diaz and it's Willie Fritz at Houston. Those are the three. If you just look, Diaz has the Miami stink on him. So that might not happen because of Florida State, but Dickert is one of the hot names. So that would, there's splash elements to that one, maybe he doesn't belong in this. But Diaz wouldn't be a splash and Fritz probably wouldn't be a giant splash. But they're just fundamentally good ass coaches, good ass coaches who have, who are winning and consistently winning at places that aren't built to be the biggest splash places ever. And I think that might be a better idea for Florida State than trying to go out and get this loud noise of a higher thoughts. That wasn't a bulltake. It's just a take. I added on the bulltake Monday. I think I think more highly of Fritz that I would think that that is a splash. I would think that is a big, great hire. The name I thought when you were leading that up, I thought you were going to say was a cheaper option, a culture option that would turn it around to some extent is PJ Fleck. Yeah. Can I just say something yet? I don't hate that name, but I don't think he's leaving Minnesota. He's been there long enough. So somebody says this. Michael Pereira says Houston might have more money than the FSU currently question mark. Michael Pereira. This is something I've seen you guys on Twitter and Coswell fans get wrong. I saw Ole Miss fans the other day saying Ole Miss was a much better job now. There's so many jobs that are much better jobs in Florida State now. I think you guys get twisted over where you think the money is and where you think the power lies and all these things. Do not get it twisted. Florida State is still a top 10 to 15 job in this country. That is a phenomenal fucking job. That is when you talk about its location, its boosters, its resources. I don't care about the money you think you know about. When they need the fucking money, they're going to get the fucking money. Florida State is a major fucking job in this country. If Florida State wants Houston's coach, they fucking get Houston's coach. Florida State is a phenomenal job and I think people have forgotten it and they say because they haven't succeeded in the last three or four years, oh they can't succeed in the last three or four years, then motherfuckers were 12 and 0 in 2023. Some motherfuckers were succeeding and then they got slapped in the face and went down a little bit. Florida State is a phenomenal job so you guys acting like Florida State can't get this program's coach or this program's coach. You better fucking hope Florida State doesn't want your coach because they are a phenomenal fucking job and a great program and they just need the right coach and I think these are the right coaches. Boy, that felt good. Why I got passionate about Florida State, but I did have you muted yourself or you just mute? No. I didn't have anything to say with that. Okay. It was so good that you didn't even have a response. Mr. Keith Kerr says Florida State is a top 20 job and not a top 10 things change. They don't change as much as you think. People want Florida State to not be as good of a job as these other programs. It's great that some teams are succeeding now in the NIL and transfer portal era, but that's what they're doing. They're succeeding now. Florida State has succeeded decade over decade over decade since Bowden got there. Are they down right now? Yeah. motherfuckers went 12 and 0 three years ago. They can do it. They're doing him. I think he is going to I think as you I think they missed on the portal this year. They missed on their portal guys. It happens. This episode is brought to you by body armor flash IV flash IV is packed with electrolytes delivering faster, longer lasting hydration without any artificial dyes, flavors or sweeteners. Whether you're training traveling or just feeling the heat or cheering on your team, work hard, hydrate hard with body armor flash IV, grab it at 7-Eleven. I love body armor flash IV. It's just got the great taste. I like the strawberry keyway. We stopped. We got some before we went to Notre Dame the other day. I knew I'd be out in the sun and I was looking dead in the surface of the sun. So I electrolyte it up, I drank me two body armor flash IVs and I was ready to go. No problems. dehydration, no nothing. I had the electrolytes in me. So I love body armor flash. I'll be check it out. That was bulltake Monday. I guess now we'll do if we don't have anything else, my top 25, looky. So I'll just do my top 25. Okay, wow. You actually did my top 25 and not you didn't interrupt me with the tail of the union, which is what I generally do there. Wasn't ready. So there's my top 25. I've got the Georgia Bulldogs. One you taught to UCLA three Notre Dame four Alabama five Texas six Miami seven Indiana eight Tennessee nine Texas tech 10. I think I'm I probably ding Indiana more than anybody else because their resume just took a beating the other day. I got wait for us to 11. Sorry I just don't 100% believe in them yet. I know everybody else does. I got is that. Fuck, what is that logo? Is that what the fuck is that logo? I have to wait for us. That's BYU. BYU, thank you very much. Yes, a very common BYU logo. Thank you very much. What is that? USC logo? What is that? That's like a cartoon character. Gabby soccer swimming. I got USC 13 Houston 14, Iowa 15, Boise State 16, Kentucky 17, South Carolina 18. We have number 19 Oregon, number 20 logos. Number 20 is so lazy with logos 14 through 17, 21, 21 is New Mexico, 22 Ohio State 23 SMU 24. What is that logo? It's two or Duke and then 25 Missouri. So there we go. I'm gonna take y'all behind the scenes. Jeff Delo does one thing for this show. Actually does two things. He does the ball watchers guy and he does the top 25s and he just does it because he loves old logos and that is what we got here. I've never seen that Duke logo in my life. He'll like text us here to stop 25. Don't forget to rank UTSA. Oh, and I cooked with the logos this week. Oh, I forgot I was supposed to rank UTSA apparently he found a logo. But they lost. Yeah, my bad. My bad. I if you're like a Iowa fan or Kentucky fan, are you mad seeing this because you don't have a cool logo? Yeah, that does suck in Houston, too, I believe. Yeah, and maybe Utah's got their standard logo. It was yeah, Duke really came through. I've never seen that Duke logo at all. It was like Disney. That would be great as a midfield logo or in some logo. Yeah, it would look good on the front of basketball jerseys to or any jersey. Oh, look, you know where it looked good on the front of a baseball jersey. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that might be Duke's baseball logo for being honest. I don't know what Duke's baseball logo is. It all goes down at noon. Big teams, a big plays, big noon Saturday, a streaming live on Fox one, rovers, upsets, chaos, whatever happens. You were watching it live football, at noon, streaming live on Fox one, watch three days free. Big noon, Saturday, live on Fox one, watch three days free, offer a subject to change. See Fox one for complete terms and conditions. The voice of big noon. We're in West Point the other day. Yeah, that was pretty awesome. I don't know where it was. Big noon at this weekend. Are they a high of stating? I asked you a question, um, thought you would answer it. Well, I know that that's what the big noon game is. Well, there you go. Maybe they are at Ohio State. Um, I don't know, we have to check it out. Uh, check it out on Fox one. I got a lot more. Oh, no, wait. Okay, I just stacked it on top of Saturday's ads. I thought I had six more ads. That was going to be all right. The big noon kickoff cruise going to Utah, Arizona, and they will have a Rob Grunkowski pregame party. That's a good one. Um, all right. Well, let me move on to my next thing. I sure hope I don't get interrupted here. You know what, Walker? The older I get, the more I wonder, why do people even care about sports? Like think about it. A bunch of 18 to 22 year olds that I've never met determine whether my Saturday, not just my Saturday, but my entire attitude, my entire well-being, my entire life is awesome. Or whether I'm staring finally at the wall at home in the dark, aiding stale peeps with a Mike Tyson tattoo on my face. And what for? Like what's the payoff? Like my team hasn't lost more than two games for 15 straight years. And then the first time we lose three games, it's truly like the sky is falling. And I'm starting to question, is it worth it? Like normal hobbies don't punch you in the gut, and they're not as high stakes either. I might pick up reading because if a book stinks, I could just close it, start a new one, and I don't need to say the author needs to be fired because it doesn't affect me that much or gardening because if the crops don't grow, you can just go to the store and buy new food. And you don't have a $75 million buy-out that'll then put you behind an NIL to do so. Or maybe I'll pick up hiking or learn a new language, but I'm starting to realize when you really think about it, sports are actually pretty stupid. I shouldn't have this much control in your life. It's making me crazy. I'll just say this, watching Ohio State fans like Tate react to their third loss of the season as if the entire world has collapsed. And a meteor is outside their window about to destroy all of civilization. And that third loss on the way to a 9-3 season destroys them. I feel so bad for him. God gives his toughest battles to his strongest soldiers, Tate. I can't imagine the struggle you're going through watching your team lose three times in a season. That would absolutely kill me. And God bless you, man. You were fighting the good fight. He eats peeps and shits views. That's what he does. This dude, this dude's on fire. He's going to have to three people. I know. He's never going to get away from it. He's going to have to keep every year. He's going to have to keep every single year. Anyway, thank you very much for the Tate of the Union. That was not as spirited as we've seen. I imagine as soon as they beat Northwestern this weekend, we'll get President Tate back. But we'll see. We'll see. Moving along to voicemails. Do we have five voicemails? Lukey six one three one two six one three one two six one five three one two six eight five eighteen eighty nine. We have voicemails including I'm hoping I'm hoping the return of a favorite on the show. We will see voicemail number one. Lukey, please. Well, we got a big win this week by Notre Dame. You know, and all those who were trying to say that to catch. He's not complete the catch process. The ball is moving. So it's incomplete. But now I got attributes to Tate. Peep peep peep peep peep peep peep peep peep peep peep peep peep. You've gotta enjoy the peeps all day long. Peep peep peep peep peep peep. You can gather at each of the peeps. Pretty good. Pretty good fight song there. Damn good fight song. He brought something up. Happy Frank. Welcome. Happy Frank. Always welcome here. Um, that catch by, uh, number nine, I forget his name. Forget that guy's name at this point. That catch the other night in the, uh, against Notre Dame to tie the game. Just wasn't a catch. And even the people who have tried to say online, that's a catch and have tried to act like it's controversial and tried to act like it's a, they got robbed. You can tell they're harsh. That's just in any level of football we've watched over the last 10, 15, 20 years. Nobody's ever calling that a catch is never getting called a catch by the spirit of the law. Could I live in a world where that is a catch? Yeah, maybe. But no official, no replay official. Nobody in the last 20 years is ever calling that a catch. So I don't think that's worth talking about. Elijah Lofton, thank you very much. And Marquis Kaye says it was indisputable. And that's how stupid calls football can make you because if you have a you by your name, if you have a Miami by your name, I bet Marquis Kaye is a very smart individual. I bet he's somebody that leads a great life and has intelligent takes when it comes to college football. He says that was indisputable. It makes us so stupid that we just lie. That was not indisputable. And no other world in no other football game have you seen that call to catch? I would I would bet a significant amount of money that if you asked Elijah Lofton if he caught or not, he would say no, he did not catch. Did you see his reaction? Yeah, he knew he knew he wasn't going to be a catch when he when that ball fell out, he just calmly walk back to his side line because he knew he didn't catch that football. Yeah, it's a great learning moment. He has got to be stronger, stronger hands, stronger ball, bring in your chest stronger. He's fine. He's a terrific way to lay tremendous. game on Saturday. I dropped that one. Tough cookies get better from it. He will. Yeah. He's a fantastic. He's a fantastic player. That was a fantastic effort. And it was good on the Notre Dame. Gotta make sure that thing came out of the end. And it was almost catch. God damn. It was almost catch. But I want to catch. I do really wish he has high point and kept it up there and sundown it on him with. Yeah. I mean, if he had done that, yeah. But he didn't. And no, I know nobody does. Yeah. And they lost a seven point game on the road at a fellow top 10 team. Everybody. It's fine. It's fine. They'll be fine. They'll get Tony back. They could be a national title contender. I don't think anybody's going to. I don't think we're talking about that catch in 15 to 20 years. I don't think we're talking about that catch in three months. I don't think we're talking about the catch in one week. Yeah. Yeah. Um, voicemail number two, please. Just 10 from Louisiana. You know, everybody likes to talk about LSU lane giving offense, lane giving offense. You know, we'll get 600 yards a game. You know, that's what everybody wants to talk about. Who payers? We can't score. They can't score. They're useless in the red zone. Sam Levitt has his head far up his own asshole. Things I do believe things will get better. But I mean, we can't score. And I just, it's frustrating. I think we have a talent, but we can't score. I don't know. Maybe somebody smart, like you can't explain it to me. Why we can't, but I don't know. Yeah, I can explain it. You don't have a quarterback who's good enough. All right, listen, Lane, you get the ball down the field, Lane can scheme it up. And when you get in the in the red zone, you need a quarterback who's got good quick decision making skills and deliver the football. You don't have it. Um, if Lane had true serum, he would do anything probably, I think, to go back to the beginning of the year and not start the season with Sam Levitt as a quarterback, he would do anything to make sure trying to add Jameless goes with him or whatever. Um, I think LSU is this close to being a legit national title contender. They they lost by one to Kentucky. They lost by eight to Ole Miss in the fourth quarter and they got destroyed in the fourth quarter against Alabama the other day because they don't have a finisher at quarterback. They don't. That's why I didn't go forward on fourth and one to 43 yard line against Kentucky because he didn't trust his quarterback. That's the only issue with LSU now. Everybody wants to ball it down to this and that and this and that. The quarterback's not good enough. And if Lane doesn't have a great quarterback, Lane's going to lose three games a year. That's why I went out and got Jackson Dart and Trinidad Chameless and that's why I went out and got Austin Simmons and he went out and got great quarterbacks because he is a great quarterback coach and and he doesn't have a quarterback right now who's good enough to win these games. Voice man number three, please. Hey, Brandon. Um, I'm a Florida fucking Gator's fan and uh, I'm currently watching our defense getting carved up by Jason's fucking Witten and I'm wondering right now in year one, is it time to fire John Somerall? Like what the fuck is happening here, man? I love the show, but what the fuck, man? We got fooled by a mediocre talented team getting a pretty good, um, you know, having a good run earlier in the season. They killed an Ole Miss team who's not all that good themselves. And we thought they were beating a top 10 team, they weren't, uh, they went on the road and beat Texas. That's a very good win. That's their best win. But they're too up and down. Uh, they don't have the quarterback play. Jayden Ball is just pretty good. The receivers are pretty good. The defense is awful. Like when Somerall got there and we were talking about this earlier when they were like 4.0, 5.0. It was amazing that he changed. They, they won so many games early without really succeeding in the transfer portal. They didn't go out and get a whole lot. Usually a new coach brings in a ton. He didn't bring in a ton. And now you're seeing the result of him coaching a full season with the leftovers of Billy Napier's roster, Billy Napier sucked. And Florida's talent is just not nearly as good as everybody else in the SEC. Oklahoma has more talent than Florida. Voice mail number four, please. Hey, Brandon Wake Forest fan here. I know we need to win out the rest of the season in order to have a chance at the playoffs. But I'm wondering how many of the next three things you think needs to happen to guarantee is a spot. So one would be SMU beating Notre Dame. Two would be Louisville beating Kentucky. And three would be us beating Miami in the SEC championship. So I don't know how many of those things need to happen for us to make it. But let me know your thoughts. Well, you skipped one. One is you better win an SMU this weekend. If you don't do that, I mean, it's not going to matter what SMU Notre Dame do. And it's like, what is it? A pick them now? It's no guarantee you're going down there and winning. So I would certainly put beating SMU at the top of my list if I'm putting together a list. I don't think there's a world where Wake Forest loses to Miami in the championship game and goes to the playoffs. I just think there's no wins on the schedule really. The only win they would have at that point would be SMU. They're very good at blowing out bad ACC teams and they played pretty much all of them. They're an impressive team. I like them. I like the coach. But the most important thing they could possibly do is beat Miami in the ACC championship game. So if they don't, they're not going. They're not going. Voice mail number five, please. It's Brandon. This is Sam, Michigan State fan. I got to give you credit. I feel like you caught on pretty quick how ridiculous Michigan fans are. Let's talk to my buddies last night and they were convinced that they could write a blank check and get Kurt Sinetti to jump ship over to you of them. And they couldn't really wrap their heads around that being completely insane. So I just kind of curious your thoughts on that. Thank you. I'll answer that. I'll calmly and rationally do it. Your Michigan buddies think that Michigan can kind of blank check and get Kurt Sinetti because your Michigan buddies are fucking stupid mother fucking morons. Kurt Sinetti is building his own Michigan. He's at Indiana. He has a blank check to do whatever he can. He's going to be a god there for the rest of his life, his family's life, all of it. He doesn't have to go anywhere. He has built his own thing. And Michigan is a corrupt pile of mediocre shit. And no coach worth his salt is leaving a great place to go to a corrupt pile of mediocre shit. There's so much rot and nastiness inside that Michigan program. You got to start all over. It is taking down Kyle Whittingham. Has anybody been more consistent over the last 20 years of Kyle Whittingham? And Michigan is eating his ass up. Why would a coach like Kurt Sinetti who has built what he's built at Indiana even consider going to Michigan? That is a step down at this point from Indiana football to Michigan football because you have to be around people that fucking suck. So no, he is not going to Michigan. No, Michigan can't buy him. And yes, your buddies are fucking stupid. That was fun. Sometimes I just like talking. Thoughts Liam. That's why they pay you the big bucks. 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Give me, give me Duke Miami. I like the former player thing going on with Barcaid and Mensa and then Shepherd's thing. I like that. And Diaz. Yeah. And Diaz. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Very fun matchup. Uh, we'll see what happens there. Hopefully, Duke's a bit competitive. I'd like a great fun game. Then give me, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Ohio Miami. Ohio on a Tuesday night. A low-maxion for you. Two of the better teams in the Mac. Two of the best three teams in the Mac. Give me Oregon State. Boise and give me give me Northwestern Ohio State. I want to see how bad it can get it Ohio State. Oh, yeah, although I think Northwestern's been the fakeest team in the country all year. I think they were they were pretending the whole time. You got one more pick? Yeah. So that's the C game, right? No, I don't like the site. I wasn't going to do it. I was between an American game and a packed 12 game. Give me Memphis, South Florida, I believe on Thursday night. I haven't been the biggest fan of Heartline and what he's done at USF, but it is a big opportunity for them. Memphis has been, eh, this season they really haven't impressed after those first few games. We'll see what they could do. They're still in the mix, man. All right. Well, that's our games draft. That's a good show. That's right at 58 minutes and we still have about 15 minutes with Coach Pat Fitzgerald fresh off beating Michigan. The head coach of the Michigan State Spartans has some some pretty good thoughts on NIL and the struggles and you know, how he took a couple of years to learn the system and then got back into coaching. He was watching the whole time. So Andy also talks about, I don't know if you say he talks crap about day Portnoy, which makes him a winner in my eyes. So Liam, you got anything else? No, I don't worry. I'm excited to talk more college football on Wednesday. Make sure to like the stream and subscribe. Please subscribe. My God subscribe. It helps so much. Liam doesn't currently get paid a salary. If I get it to 100,000 subscribers, we will be putting him on a minimum wage salary. So please help us do that. Yep. That would be a very big deal. And if Luke and Liam gets a minimum wage salary and Luke, he gets put on scholarship. He's a walk on, he's a walk on right now. We will, we will get Luke a scholarship. Well, if Northwestern wins, he might be able to take a class or two up in Evans, them with tape. All right, bring it in Brandon, bring in Pat Fitzgerald. All right, guys, I'm going to bring in coach Pat Fitzgerald right now for Michigan State. Before I do, I got to tell you about better help, better help therapists are licensed experience professionals such as psychologists, marriage and family therapist, social workers and counselors. They have at least three years and a thousand hours of hands on experience and have the required education, training, exams and practice to do exactly what they're doing. Better help. 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And then you go into somebody's place and you beat them had to be an incredible, incredible night. We're bringing in, of course, Pat Fitzgerald, Michigan state, big win on the road against Michigan. This Saturday coach, what's up, man, how you doing? I'm doing great, my friend. Good to see you. Thanks for the opportunity to be on with you. Oh, yeah. Good to see you as well. I've been trying to do this for a while. I think we finally, we're finally hooking up and talking. And of course, I got to ask you, man, I'm not going to sugarcoat things like it's been a, you know, a win and loss wise, you know, you've gone through a lot of injuries. You were two and six going in, but my God, how did it Saturday feel? I thought the guys played, you know, probably our cleanest game of the year, an old three phases. And you do it in a rivalry game on the road like you alluded to. Just really part of the guys. I thought our staff did a good job during the week. And that's ready. And the guys went out there and got it done. Do you feel that rivalry stuff immediately? Like, this your first year, you're building a program over there and you're going up against Michigan. Do you feel it immediately? Is somebody coming in from the outside and or, or is it something you got to build? Or do you feel it from the kids? Yeah. You know, I big 10 guy, right? A group of big countryry. And I remember as a kid watching the Michigan Michigan state game. And then, you know, coaching in this league for as long as I have, you know, the great players, the great coaches, the, I mean, our last 21 games have basically been decided by one score. Give or take on a handful of those. So, you know, it's always been a hard fought physical game. And yeah, I had to educate myself on the finer details, but I had a pretty dang good idea. Now, after going through one of them, it's, it's real. I'll just put it to you that way. And it's awesome. And I'm so happy for our Spartan nation and our fans and obviously for our players and our former players. Have you seen any of the videos of the fans? You know, partying and, uh, Ann Arbor and partying and East Lansing and all that? Have you seen the videos of those guys? No, I haven't, but I'm sure they had some good clean American fun. I don't know if I'd say the word white. I don't know if I'd say the word clean, but yes, they definitely had some American fun. Uh, there's no doubt about that. I just, I was looking at the stats of this game. And I just, it was some beautiful old school Big 10 football. You guys had 38 minutes of time possession. Uh, you had 14 players out like, I don't know if you guys have gotten credit for as many injuries as you're dealing with. And then you force four turnovers, just a nice, ugly, sloppy Big 10 game all of Saturday night. Uh, it looked beautiful to me looking at the box score. But man, uh, did you feel in control the whole time? Or is it something that gradually, uh, you guys got to? Yeah, you know, I, I thought about midway through the second quarter. Um, you know, we started to take a little bit of control the game. We, we put together a couple of good drives offensively, but our defense was really lights out all night. And we got a second field goal, you know, right before the half and going in a half time, I kind of felt like we had, you know, positive momentum, but we knew they would respond, you know, in a robbery game, especially on the road. Uh, we knew their friends would get behind them. And I thought our guys just were, we weren't, you know, minus one. And we put together a 79 year drive to get a field goal. Would have loved to have it be a touchdown. But, um, you know, I thought that was a definite attitude drive, you know, it was downhill. It was physical, um, a lot of fun to watch. You know, you're a guy who, uh, in your career have, have built a program up and it took you building block approach, you know, you kind of building a year over year. Now as you're starting here at Michigan State and you're rebuilding in a new era, you know, it's a, it's a different world out there now. Do you feel the new era? Like, how's it different from the first time you had to go somewhere and build something from the ground up? Yeah, you know, obviously very different. Um, you know, when, when I took over at Northwestern coach walk, it just passed away and, and, you know, not to compare to that, nothing gets you prepared for that. And, you know, our focus was the Walker family and, and, and, uh, you know, everything that we could do to support them and then our players going through the tragedy of losing coach. So completely different, but the business side of it, yeah, I mean, it's, it's different, but I, you know, preparing for it over the last couple of years and being ready for it. I mean, a little bit different. No one, you know, when I, you know, talk to, you know, our administration here, it's like, hey, there's, there's not going to be 50 or 30 or 20 guys coming with me, you know, so we're going to build this thing kind of, you know, you have hutt in the old fashion way a little bit here. Uh, and, but once we get this thing, you know, built on a foundation of bedrock, then, you know, we'll be able to utilize the portal, uh, to, to plug holes. Last year, we had to use the portal to plug a roster, moving forward. It'll be using the portal to plug holes. And so, uh, we'll be, we'll be up to speed very quickly. And our guys have played their tails off. We have dealt with a bunch of adversity, but we've got guys step up and, you know, it's, uh, it's been a great, great lesson to learn for a lot of our younger players this year. Maybe not thinking they'd be out there, but like, Nigel Burke didn't start the season as a starting corner. All he did last Saturday was get a big pick and then cause a fumble and recover it, you know, two of our four turnovers cost. You know, I didn't even consider that, but when you were, you know, on the, uh, on the outside a couple of years, their 24/25 was really when NIL and transfer portal was taking shape a lot, but you were, you were, you were making notes and like talking to friends and, and, and, and, and making your plan for what it was going to look like when you, when you got this opportunity. Yeah. I mean, I volunteered in my boys high school. Uh, so that was a great blessing. And, uh, I got a chance to be a part of that at Loyola Academy in suburban Chicago. So that was special for me personally, but yeah, I was on like 10 of bombs, 30, 13 and then, you know, what I, I spent a little bit of time talking to general managers that were friends of mine and the national football league. Just, you know, you got to manage a roster cap. I didn't know where I'd be. I didn't know what it would be financially. Uh, but a lot of similarities there. Talk to a couple of my buddies that were FCS head coaches, you know, when you're in equivalency, you got to break up the money in different ways at that level. So yeah, doing a ton of research and then guys that, you know, frankly, uh, that I've been, you know, long time friends with like, Hey, what did you learn? What would you continue to do? What would you do differently? What were some of your mistakes? So, yeah, and I'm still in that concert learning. I'll never stop trying to learn and grow and get better. And, um, just really thankful for our staff that we were able to put together a great one, Brian Gasar, GM and I, you know, really spearhead what we're doing from a roster standpoint. And, uh, just appreciate everything gas has done to, you know, not only put this roster together, but then really as we took over, you know, the inner workings of, of how we're going to attack moving forward, you know, love, love his leadership in our plan as we get ready to go on the offseason here, you know, in January, you know, you've been around the big 10. I guess your whole life, uh, you're a big 10 lifeer. You said, you know, I know you've watched Michigan State from afar, but now as they had coach of Michigan State, have you have any preconceptions about Michigan State or have an idea about what Michigan State football was and then you have you changed your mind at all or seen something different? What's the preconceived part against what the reality is? Yeah, the preconceived was, you know, the toughness was born here, you know, and this has always been a blue collar tough physical program that always played a brand of ball that I think embodied what, you know, big 10 central Michigan, you know, area, region of the country, mid-Michigan, you know, we're okay with it being great, like it is outside the window, you know what I mean? All right, with it being 35, 25, and 15, and yeah, I just feel like it was just, everything happens for a reason and this has just been a great fit for me and for our staff and feel very fortunate to coach the players, we get to privilege to coach. Is that kind of why, you know, as you chose your next stop, that Michigan State kind of saying to you because it does that physical style of football, the gray, you know, that kind of fits into how you coach football anyway? Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure I'm palm trees and sunshine all the time. You know, this beautiful skin doesn't really tan. It more turns red. So yeah, I think I need a little bit vitamin D supplement to make sure I'm not getting myself in trouble from the dermatologist. So in your first year, you know, you get off to two and six start, you have a one point lost Illinois, you have a three point loss in Northwestern, you know, you're very competitive with another name. I know I'm the scoreboarder on the, you know, on the schedule, it doesn't look like you guys are having a good year, but all of a sudden you go to Michigan and now you have three games left, two up at home. But what a success kind of look like going forward and I know, you know, you're not going to go 10 and 2 and go to play out, but as we stand here right now, what a success look like going forward. Want to know this week, brother? Want to know this? I mean, we've got to, again, you're we're in the, we're in the foundation of building this program. And, you know, one of the things I learned from coach Antonio was, you know, the success that they were able to have after the rivalry game they went 11 and 2. And that's because of a discipline approach, a maturity within the locker room. And then, you know, really an approach into that week that we're embarking on now, that we're going to need to really instill in our guys as a coaching staff. So this is maybe two weeks ago, I have to walk out of the Rose Bowl when UCLA beat us. Maybe nobody thought that this game, this week would be a big game. This is the biggest game of the year for us. And it's not to minimize last week or the weeks before, but, you know, this gives us an opportunity then. So we've got to find a way to get ourselves prepared. Are you ready for a very good Washington football team? I guess I've never considered that. I never considered the fact that Michigan State and Michigan is a hated rivalry game right. Just drop right in the middle of your schedule. It's just like you first week in November, you still got three games left. So you got a, you know, your fans can go out there and have their good clean American fun. But guess what? You got another game. Washington didn't come coming in this Saturday. You got Washington, Oregon, and what do you got at Rutgers? So like, a lot of hate to put in the barn for you guys. This can. Oh, yeah. It's not a huge. Yeah, this is this is a huge game. And yeah, I mean, Spartan Stadium has been unbelievable. And our fans have been incredible. I don't know if you saw any of the videos, but we got chance to share Paul Bunning with them a little bit. Been a while since they had seen it. It was a lot of our students too, which was really cool. And we can't, we drove back home. We had unbelievable as court by the Michigan State Police. And there's, there's students here waiting for us at two o'clock in the morning. So we look forward and fill enough Spartan Stadium on Saturday at four o'clock. Well, that's the difference in me and you coach. I see all of those videos. That's all I do. You, you go back to work and you break down the next game and you start building a roster. All I do is just sit there and watch videos of fans having fun. And, and I just want to say this. And this is, uh, I don't know if you know, I work for a guy named Dave Portnoy, big Michigan guy. And I was on wake up bar still with him today. And he was very sad. And I just want to thank you for that. I, I, it really meant a lot to me. Well, I'm here for you. I'm here for the rest of the staff at Barstool. If there's anything I can never do to make his life miserable, uh, police. And Dave's a great guy. And I respect for him. I know he has disdain for me in one game. And that's, that's cool. That's what, that's what's awesome. Buck out football, the rivalries. Uh, I guarantee you, there's as much disdain from everybody in East Lansing to him. Uh, so we, we'll, we'll call that a neutral, uh, uh, disdain me. Well, that's the, uh, that's a beautiful part because, uh, like me, I've always, uh, Dave's always, I know that you're one of his favorite coaches. He love what you did. Uh, he likes your style of play. He loves this. And then when he found out you were going to, to Michigan state, he was like crap. He's a good, he, I don't want a good coach to go there. And, uh, and now it has already turned, um, but as we go forward, you know, say the next three games and then you get into January, you mentioned it several times, uh, as we go in from year one to year two, that's kind of when the real big, you know, year one, you got to throw it together, right? And in year two, you really start building that house and putting the roof on it. What does the roof on this house look like? Yeah. Well, I mean, listen, there's national championship trophies right downstairs in our lobby. You know, this program and big 10 championships were in the final four, not too long ago. And, you know, we've got alignment in our leadership. We've got an unbelievable president in Kevin Gusquitz. Uh, Dan Bartholomey just came on board as our, as our athletic director, uh, and our, and our, our key donors and, and trustees, we are fully aligned. It's been hasn't been that way here for a couple of years. That is what it is. And I knew what I was getting into when I came here. There was a plan. Uh, that plan will start to get executed here in January. Uh, but before we get to that, I just, you know, our seniors had not beaten Michigan. And, uh, we talked about it in the off season. We talked about it this summer. Uh, and for those five guys to be able to celebrate, uh, it was, was spectacular. A couple of those guys are hurt and not playing. Uh, and for them to be able to get that win, um, get that was 117 years. This game has been played. And, uh, from our perspective, that would have been the first group, never to have beaten Michigan in the history of 117 years. So to get that win for them is something I don't think that they'll ever forget and we're proud to be able to get it to them. One amazing statement you just made about college football in 2026. You said your seniors and then you said five guys. And I was like, imagine a match in a world where a team has five seniors on it, but that's where we are. And, uh, you know, we all, uh, we all got to make do with it. And you're, you're, you're about to build a program. So hey, coach, I appreciate you taking your time out. I do need your equipment guy to hit me up. I need a Michigan State helmet for my studio set. Yeah, you got it. I'll make sure I'll talk to those guys and, uh, we need to put it right when Portney walks in like, it's like, like, right over your head. It'd be perfect. Yes, that is perfect. Thank you very much, coach. Good luck the rest of the way. Thanks buddy. Go green.