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We're in it, we're back and better than we ever been. Let me tell you about my mother. - Yeah, a woman that raised you? - Yes, Julia Roberts, and then the other one. - And the other one, Lindsey Hubbard. - I love you two white moms, happy pride. (laughing) - Mother, the thing about Lindsey entering the summer house reunion is that she didn't even have any drama this season. - And you truly showed up and said, I am so offended that Wes started to become the main character of my show. - She said, I'm wearing that dress. She wore the revenge dress for Kyle. - I'm wearing that red dress. - Oh my God. Okay, let's just start off with winner of the summer house reunion part one for you. - Sierra, with an assist from Lindsay, of course. - Okay, we're playing basketball. She said, go next. (laughing) - Of course. - Yeah, in the finals for the first time since 1909. - Yeah, I was born. - I actually always think about you and you're like, we'll just say I'm a lifelong next fan of last year. - Yeah. (laughing) - True. - We should allow that. Sometimes a year is a lifetime and we need to hold space for that more. - Lifetime for me. - So who's you going to be? - You don't get, I'm going to beat you at away with it. - What? - I don't ask the question back. - Yeah. - Enter goes, what else? (laughing) - Okay, well, I'm sorry. Guilty is charged. - 'Cause it says, you know what's my fault, 'cause I just talk. - I know. - I know. I'm like, okay, so I'll find her way eventually. - No, let's get back in turn. - Okay, okay, okay. - Who's your MVP in Summer House reunion? - Obviously, I felt Sierra was like too easy because of course. - Yeah. - But I think when Lindsay turned into Tony Spraynow. We can't drop the F-bombs right now. We'll do them later. - Yeah. - But back to back hits, there was a lash. - And she said there was a lash line. - There was a lash line. - The ladder. - Oh. - West didn't survive. - No, and you saw him like about this, and then he said, he knew better. - It's not. - She said, West, just to be clear, what is more emotional? Sleeping with someone or like being intimate with them. He said, being emotional. - I'm like. - Sit up. He really reacted like, "Dreamer," like a toddler. - Yeah, absolutely. - Like she put on the mommy, the mean mommy voice, and he just fell right into line. It was, I mean, I will start to finish. I mean, the back-to-back beating of West really got me to stand up straight. But even from the jump, I would say this online, but the butter, yellow comment. Someone's like, "Oh, she complimented Amanda." Because Amanda walks out in her butter, yellow, which is a knockoff version of the same kind of cut of address that Sierra wore the last reunion, I think. - Two reunions. - Two reunions ago. And Lindsey goes, "I like the butter, yellow." And any real bitch is like, that's not a compliment. She's just setting you up. She's just turning on the fire. She's just hitting that gas on that stove before she cooks you up, girl. - It was really, she, it's like she was, like, oiling the pan. - Of course, she was getting ready. She was using Quazza. - Yeah, she was just, like, telling her exactly about herself, which is, like, you trying to chase, like, you're someone butter, yellow was turning last year. And then, I mean, ironically, Lindsey did, I'm not, yeah, Lindsey did wear butter, yellow, recently on a DSW dinner, but she ate in it. - Yeah, and she's allowed. - I mean, every black woman is allowed to wear butter, yellow, as much as they want, by the way. - Oh, of course. - That's a rule. - It's unfortunate that butter has become so trendy because now I look like everyone else. - That's a Leo for you. - Anyway, I bought last year. - Okay, actually years ago. - Years ago. - The thing about Amanda's outfit that I can't get over is the hair. Is that that weird half ponytail bob? I'm like, now sister, what, where did this come from? What did this, it's like someone quit mid shift. It's like she went to a dry bar and they just gave up. - Hunter, you know what it's giving? - You know what Amanda Batoula's bun is giving? - What? - Did you leave in a rush? (laughing) - Why is it like that? It's not even, you can even get a top not going. Like it was, just do like a ballerina bun, just like, just a slick back at that point. - Oh, you can reference this. - Hello. - Hello. - I mean, Bella Hadid, gorgeous. But I'm trying to understand like, why did you do that? - In a weird way. - 'Cause you don't like going to look a mess. So why do you both want to look a mess? - I mean, what did you tweet the other day? That was sending me to the moon. I said, "Damn girl." She said, "This ain't as a soup kitchen. Put your shoulders back." What did you say? - That's what I'm saying. - That's literally not what I said at all. I, it was a photo of Western Amanda in Rome where they are, they're in Italy right now. They're for a wedding. And she just looks like this. I'm like, girl, can you just put your shoulders back? Just one time. There's one single time. And you always in stripes too. It's like, truly Amanda Batoula's definition of, got no change. Sorry, sister. (laughing) I was conflating your tweet with the Tiffany Poler quote, where she's talking to Buck Wilde. And she's like, "This ain't a soup kitchen. Put your shoulders back." (laughing) But that little bun is nasty. And honestly, I can't believe I ever talked to you about Kyle's mullet with that thing walking around. I was like, you know what, Kyle could keep his mullet. All he wanted to do. - Kyle's mullet came in a period of true emotional distress. - Yeah. - Because he was married to a woman who hated every single word that came out of his mouth. It was a trauma mullet. - Trauma mullet. - Oh, I love that. - Trauma mullet. - Yeah. - And did he deserve something that Amanda said? - Yes. - Sure. - We have always old faces. - However, he's working on the lightness of his spirit when he hugged Sierra in the very beginning. And she said, "I'm so sorry for how I treated you." Like watching it back, you really were like attacked all season. And he was like, it just felt so hard like being, you know, like, misunderstood. - And you know what Amanda hates most? Like, Kyle respects Sierra. - Oh, he doesn't play about her. - I need to be serious about it. - He's not about her. - Carl. - Carl. - Listen, Carl. Carl said, bring back our girls. - Yeah. - He said, "No, wait, you're insane." Bring back our girls is crazy. Wait, I was gonna say, he tore down when Carl said, "That's like seeing a happy birthday without somebody's name." Or whatever. - I was like, "Diva, get behind me." - But I love the way that there is something about Lindsay and Carl. And I do think they should still be together. But I think there's something about the way that they approach us for union, truly as like a way from a place of disgust. - Yeah. - And honestly, as if Western Amanda are just uncouth. - Absolutely. - Because what did Carl say? We are all like living our real lives on camera. And yet, like, what are you doing? You're lying to people. You're lying to your friends. We're all friends here. We all share house all summer. And you're lying to all of us. And I just love the way that they empirically tell us how dare you come on our show. (laughing) We built this brick by brick. - We built this house brick by brick. The door has a work. - No, it doesn't. We're always trying to unlockslay on that door. - I can't stop. - And yet, and yet you come on here. And you act like you came and act like you belong. - No. I mean, I think from jump watching them walk out, Amanda and Wes specifically, and laughing about the dick pic leaking, 'cause I guess it happened like right before they started recording. - You guess. I don't leave that for a second. - Oh, you think it came out? - What do you think? - I believe that Wes was lying. We're starting to get sympathy points. Because tell me this. - First of all, you're okay. Let me get an air in Brockovich mode. Let me tell you a thing or two about a thing or two. - Okay. - What do you mean, Jesse has had Wes dick pics for hours, and Wes doesn't know that they leaked? How does that, Jesse Solomon? He's on TikTok searching his own name. And he found us. - I think I did. - I think I did. - And if I stay with them, if you wanted to. Meanwhile, I'm supposed to believe that someone hacked Wes's phone, and they sure the dick pics and not anything related to like his texts, his screenshots, the timeline. That's the least valuable stuff on that phone. You could make a mint dollar. You could make a mint, whatever that phrase is. You could make a mint selling any of those screenshots of TMZ. - Okay, I was under the impression that it was just like, he sent that photo and it's someone who he sent it to leaked it, not like his phone got hacked. That's what I had figured out. That's what he said at the reunion. - Oh. - Which is why I'm like, you lies once you can even keep up with your fucking lies. - I honestly was just more taken aback by Amanda saying, he hasn't even sent me one. - Well, and that's also, that's just-- - How does it show? - How does it show? - I'm like, you really don't give a fuck. You don't give one. - In that moment, if that happened to you, like, I would be, oh my God, are you okay? Like, do you mean stop this or you take a moment? And her response was so bizarre, but it really just goes to show you how un-serious a relationship is. This is on a partnership. - Absolutely. - Absolutely rebound. And they act like it's not. So that's why when Lindsay and Sierra said, you're gonna need the same thing to Amanda, and you only wanna be with her 'cause she's mute and meek and 'cause she's not gonna call you out on anything. - Careful with me, but yes. - Well quiet. - Yeah, quiet. - Look around everybody's a mute. It made up a tool that says, she doesn't say, what? (laughing) - No, that was-- - No, that was-- - It was really fucked up. And I think like when I saw her giggling about that, my first reaction was like, oh my God, you're doubling down. You're getting ready to just double, you just go from worse to worse, real quick. - But also, it's seeing a little, look at me. I'm getting too mad. - I'm getting too mad. - Just come on, don't. - Yeah, I really have. - 'Cause how do you walk into a room saying, I came here to like apologize, take accountability, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then 10 minutes later, telling someone, girl, like fuck off. - Fuck you? - Or fuck what did she say? - Fuck off. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Either way, how dare you? - And one thing for a second, I rewatched it 'cause I was like, oh, she couldn't be talking to Sierra. Oh no, she absolutely was. I was first, I kind of thought she was talking to someone else. I don't, I'm scared to know that number, and I think you should pay while I'm in fact, but I was-- - But I watched it four times. - I'm gonna get bored. - You'll love to get a word of time. - You're killing me. - I'm telling you. - Oh my God, I'm like, I get it, you're active, girl. Okay. Look around, I'm gonna mute my, okay, let me just walk off set, my God. When I had rewatched it, I was like, oh, she must have addressed that to Lindsay. It couldn't have possibly been to Sierra. When Sierra was like, oh, real, she'll, I'm not the one or the two. You're not gonna try it with me right now after you use that same mouth to tell me to fuck off to fuck my man, that same mouth. You must be, don't you must be delirious. And I guess like in, you know, I wonder if she's just like, just fine, like give me the villain on it and I villain edit and I'm just gonna keep on with it because there's no way out of this. I mean, I figured she would like, tuck her tail between her legs and just say like, sorry, over and over and over again. But honestly, the only thing nastier than Amanda saying, fuck off to Sierra, was Wes saying, it was just your stuff about that video of them making out. - Your stuff? - That's disgusting. - Your stuff? It, I'm, you're a grown-up. - You see, you know, I mean, yeah, he is. He's a grown-up and he should be held accountable. I, he should be behind bars. A boss prisons but put Wes right there. I don't know. - We had to take him out back. - I had to put him down. I'm sorry, he's a dog. We gotta put him down. - It was really, wait, something that I was so surprised about. Bailey coming for bed. I was not on my, it was not on my bingo car, but I said, I guess I'm glad it's there. - People are divided about this. - I didn't realize I was gonna happen. - Some people feel like Bailey was doing too much and that she's about to be an Amanda, looking for a storyline and some people feel that Ben did talk on the side of his mouth to her, which is how I feel. And I'm not mad if Ben gets told, like gets a talking to. - Yeah. - 'Cause I think he was like moving weird all season. I don't care for Ben very much. He does have like a macho energy to me in a way that it's like you talk over women and you don't think the women are smart. Like that's what I get from his attitude. - And I definitely think he is clearly in love with Amanda. And I was like, why didn't anyone address that? Amanda in her own like talking head video was like, yeah, I definitely think he's in love with me, but he's like, he's so missable to me to be honest. I like his a very little girlfriend more than I like him to be honest. - Yeah, shout out to her. At first I was like, I'm scared of you, but that's a woman that I think is also a very powerful one. - Here's a question that I have. Do you think if things had gone just a little bit different with Ben, if Amanda would have chosen him to have her emotional affair with or to have us have rebound or do you think that she intentionally wanted to her Kyle and Sierra and West was the more convenient option? - I think Amanda Batula, it was never about West. I think it was always about Sierra and always about being in relationship with someone who just naturally shines and her being already seeing herself as a small person and not knowing what to do with the fact that she continuously shrinks herself and feels too little next to someone that shines too brightly. And I think women like that are dangerous, by the way. Be careful of their your friend and be careful of their girlfriend. I'll just put that out there. But I really think that like that even subcontinent. I'm actually like people we don't know watch like listen to this podcast, okay, that's fine. But yeah, I think Amanda Batula represents at the very least like the kind of girl that like wants to get her power back in some kind of way and the one thing you can't have I'm gonna wanna try and take it. Like that's what it feels like to me. - Yeah, it feels very the two teen friends on season one of the white lotus, which is a dynamic that happens in a lot of interracial friendships where a black friend is gorgeous, beautiful, has everything, whatever. And then the white friend is a bit like, well, I should be able to take that. - Yeah, that should be fine. - Yeah, a few timely things that I wanna clear up because this is in the background mind watching. We know that West's cousin allegedly executed their grandmother and that happened maybe the day other year into the day before. But Andy Cohen said on the Smith sisters podcast that Weston find that out until later that day. So when he is coming into the reunion, he doesn't know about that yet. So that's not the reason for his, you know, non-action. - Oh. - His quietness, yeah. - I didn't even realize he was so close actually. - Yeah, yeah. - So that's important to note. And then also in the leaked audio, there was a moment where Amanda referenced a leaked video that was about to come out and that's, they wanted to release the statement and come out clean 'cause it wouldn't be lying when this video came out. So I'm like, okay, that's true. Then where does that land in this dumb timeline of you guys not sleeping together before you release the statement? And then Andy's like, so it wasn't until after the statement, she said, yeah, I mean, like not the same day, but even. It's giving. - La la la la la la la. - And just dumb lies to tell. It's like first time they kissed, it was end of February after the brunch and they couldn't even say it in time with each other, they're not even off book. They're not even off book on your lies. Like get it together. - That's the most like insulting thing is that they don't even care about telling a straight story. - Yeah. - They just, they didn't even prepare. - Right. - 'Cause the statement not even prepare. - This statement, I can tell you to debate and then you were fierce at it too. They did not even prepare. - Mark Vith is when their statement was, I believe. And then it was like end of April when they filmed the reunion. So you had plenty of time to really get your shit together. And you decided to, what are you doing? Scissoring the whole time? You weren't, you weren't thinking to call a PR person to get it to get to be like, how can I even maybe come out of this alive with any fans liking us or wanting to like care about us? And I think the thing that was like made things worse, being like, oh, we didn't sleep together after this statement. That's nastier to me to be like, oh, you put that out so that you could feel free to have like a, a guilt-free conscience to fuck. - That's so stupid. - How are all of those fragmented sentences and aphrodisiac? It doesn't make any sense to me. - It's pretty disgusting. - This is so crazy that like a mere month ago, summer, what's a summer house? What's a summer as a verb? - No, that was not a, well, listen. - Oh, it could be. - Yeah, yeah, it's Hunter. This is a different tax factor over there. But I'm sorry, she's like, you're always pocket watching me. Okay, this is for a monitoring spirit. Okay, month ago, didn't know shit about summer house. Why my two most recent flights, did I run into King Carl and not I'm just running to, let me be clear. I text our group chat, I think I'm behind Carl. I can only see the back of his head, but I think I'm behind Carl. The back, I can ID the back, a black woman, a black gay woman, IDing the back of Carl's head, and I was correct. And he was chatting, he was lovely. He said, of course, he's up. 'Cause he shows up for work. That's why he's mad at what on his own. Dear, you not show up for work. He was like, I have to say my way luggage. I was like, I know. For the handbag, I got a way up in there. It was so sweet. And the day after the statement that Amanda and Wes made, I'm getting on my flight to go to Phoenix for Final Four. - She got money. - She got a job. (laughs) So I'm walking, I say, that's Wes Wilson. Learned his name 24 hours before that. That's Wes Wilson right in front of me. I could've killed him. He was right there. I could've at least yanked his hair a little bit. - He said, I'm taking down this plane. - He's looking, I didn't know enough men. He's looking, I didn't know enough men. (laughs) It's great. And look at us now. Look at us now. - Look at us. - Look at us. And guess where we going? We pulling up the soft bar. At least for a second. We gotta stop by and say hi. - Wait, we have to say hi. - We have to say hi. - Carl, you better be there. - You better be there. - Okay. (laughs) - Are you looking for a safe space for your secret celebrity opinion? Do you need someone who understands your latest internet obsession? - We are a pair of decade long best friends who connect, over fasting and discussing all things pop culture. - We're your first top after that TMZ push alert. From Hirogram Audio, I'm Peyton Dex. - And I'm Hunter Harris. - And this is, let me say this. - Let me say this. - Let me say this. ♪ I'm a sadist ♪ ♪ I'm a sadist ♪ - If you plan to read Stranger's The Memoir by Bellburden and you have not read it yet, skip forward about 15 minutes 'cause we're gonna be talking about spoilers and the ending of the book and what's happening present day, all of it. - Love or hate or? - Strangers. - Hey, like. - Okay, yeah, I could take that. How'd you feel? - I, yeah, I liked it enough. I think like, it wasn't the best writing, but it was a really good story. - Yeah, okay. So for context, quick summary. Strangers is about the revelation that Bellburden, descendant of the Vanderbilt, Mortimer, and Carnegie families, learned during the pandemic that her husband of 20 years cheated on her. He decides to leave her as she visits her prenup and tries to understand the truth about their marriage when her husband becomes a stranger to her. I read that summary myself, actually. I'm quite proud of it. - Thank you. - Thank you. - I'm so happy. I think that, you know, reading about the book before I started it myself, I was kind of like, okay, divorce me more, whatever. But the way that Bellburden is almost like forensic and how she analyzes every single step of the grief of a breakup, I was very compelled by it. That's truly that's it all hang out. And that to me is like more important than maybe the writing or the story itself that she is extremely willing to just say every, like mention it all, truly. Especially I thought, some of the stuff about how they have this Hampton's house and she goes to this kind of country club. And the way that the people of the country club avoid her as if the divorce is like a sickness that they can catch. That part was very moving to me. And that's, that is like the strength of the book. Is that how she writes about how other people react to her divorce? - Yeah, like she's a leopard, it's insane. - Yeah. - But something I also really appreciated was how much love she had for her husband and partner of so many years. And I think, you know, I was so, it is like, if I catch you, but it is a real love story too. Like she really loved this man. And like really, when you're together that long, It's like how could you imagine your life in any different way? Obviously, that just exacerbated the feeling of, like, grief and total confusion, because where did that happen and when did that happen? I think it honestly reading this book scared me a bit to think that you can have, like, such a whole world with someone and still feel, and they can still feel like it's not enough and you're not enough and then leave. The hardest part for me, though, was when that dad, dead BS, he is, was like, "Oh, I'm about the kids. You can take them, I guess." What? What? They have three children together. Two of them are the two girls who are younger and their teens, and then the son was not staying with them the whole summer during the pandemic, but he was, like, an older teenager. The fact that he said, "I don't want custody of the kids," and that she'd assumed, like, "Oh, well, maybe I'll have fiscal custody, but he'll have them over some nights," but this man moved into a two-bedroom apartment, made one in office on Park Avenue, and it's like, "Oh, so where are the girls going to sleep?" That was so weird to me. That was so weird to me, and I also really appreciated that Bell's parents had also gotten over. She's very close to her stepmother, that she's still really tried to not talk badly about him and front of the younger girls. To one point where the girls are like, "Is he having a midlife crisis?" And the only thing she can really say is, like, "Yeah? I don't know. He's acting so out of character, so bizarre, but if that's a narrative that helps them understand their dad in this moment, then that's what she's going to say, and I thought that was pretty admirable." Yeah. And I mean, I think it would have been one thing if they just had a boy, right? And like, you want to do an office pull-out couch straight away, but you have two young girls, and I think that that's something that feels really patriarchal to not even think about the fact that your children, specifically your girls, would need somewhere to make their own and have their own specifics. Yeah. A teenage girl's space is so important, it's so weird that he was so completely thoughtless after what it seemed to be, what he seemed to be was a present dad for most of their relationship to a certain degree. Yeah. Yeah. But speaking of being thoughtless, yeah, yeah. Can we talk about the part that actually made me damn near and drop my book? Yeah. So, days after he just walks out, he comes back, and he's like, okay, we need to tell the girls. I think he expressed some sort of surprise that she hasn't told them yet herself. He's like, no, we need to tell the girls together, because we're their parents, ever heard of it. And then he's like, okay, let's tell the girls, oh, like, can you make me a sandwich? And she makes it, and her making it, I, like, I don't, I empathize with that. Yeah. You don't understand what I empathize with that. Because when you're just in the mode of, I love this person, and I'm still just stuck in the routine of loving them, that makes sense to me. It's giving me. I understand that I will never understand, but still I stand. But I stand. Yes. That, exactly. But the fact that this man does even just ask for something so simple and so carelessly was crazy. And it's like, when I'm a shell of a person and you're still asking for more of me after you're taking so much away from me, that's not, I, you know, something that I think, and then he goes for the prenup and then he goes downstairs and the basement looks for the prenup. Just crazy. Men will do anything. Question for you. Yeah. You're going to go asking a question, just pick a note of it. Uh-huh, uh-huh. West Wilson or, oh, bell burdens husband. For me? Yeah. Who would you, who would you, don't matter, they're both going to leave me, don't, don't matter. Who don't want to leave me first? Which problem would you prefer? Oh, um, do I got money? Do I got bell burden money? That's what I was like. I'm going to choose her husband because I want the money. I'll figure it out afterwards. I'm going to do a really quick aside about, um, something I felt really tender and really sad about, which was the loss of her relationship with his family. Oh, that was another big, yeah. And this comes like within the first 40 pages of the book, which was shocking to me. And I, I think for a while, I was like, oh, this is such such a clear, bad behavior. And so anyone with a conscious would understand, like, this is not okay and this way to behave, it's not okay. And I can hold even my, like, son, brother accountable. And they just, I mean, I, out of only loyalty, like, remove themself from her life. And it's like, but we, we, we are family now. It's not even like a your, his family. Many years. Yeah, your family. It's just, yeah, it really shocked me and made me so sad for her because it honestly just reinforced how lonely she really was and all of this that and also that was like during the pandemic. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. The pandemic on top of all that. I almost forgot. Yeah. Yeah. I, I just sort of feel like there was a, um, Osprey metaphor, the, the birthing. Yeah. That I could take her leave. Um, that didn't really matter to me, but, um, we've talked about the money, um, the money of it all, all the money in the world. So Belle comes from a lot of family money. Yeah. Her grandmother was the socialite, babe, Paley, um, and she talks about how she used a lot of her trust fund to buy their New York City, Tribeca apartment, which I had the listing for. Also her hamptons. I also had the listing for, um, what am I? Hunter. I was in the day. Then anyone else. I'll tell you that. She got a time turner on her. If I want to know, I'm going to find it out. I'm going to do it. Yeah. Anyway, um, meanwhile in the prenup that she signed that her family told her don't sign that, it's like, doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Um, everything that they brought into the marriage would be their own, everything that made in the marriage would be their own. Yeah. So she stopped working. Um, she was an immigration attorney who was working mostly pro bono, but she stopped working to be a stay at home mom. Um, meanwhile, he had made millions of dollars that she, of course, knew about, but didn't know that it was only in his name and like a private account that only was his, um, which, okay, I can sort of, you know, get a little bit. I'm having an open mind, but where I stopped having an open mind was him going through the recredit card statement. Like, well, why do you need this? Why do you need that? Let me tell you one thing I'm not about to do is with a cheap man. I'm not going to do it. I, I, it is nasty to me. And if you're a, if you, if you're a two man and you watching this right now, don't give up. All right. She's not going to text you back. I'm going to tell you for a series about it too. She's strict about it. Would you sign a prenup and do you think that she should have been more aware of what was in the prenup when she signed it? Well, I'm holding empathy for lover girls, you know, because she says this in her book a lot, which is like, well, this is what partnership looks like. This is like compromises what partnership is built on. And I totally understand that to a certain degree, but I think being someone who grew up middle class and having parents who grew up very, very poor watching this, I was learning a lot through her. And this is someone with all the access in the world with so with trust. I would, if someone has an extra trust, they would love to give me, I will take it. But like, I'm like, oh, even with that amount of privilege, you still like don't know like how particular finances can be. And I think that that was something that made me, which we'll get to in a second, but like was really eye opening for me. And obviously for her too, I would sign a prenup. I would just not sign that prenup. Yeah. I would sign a prenup. And I, I think honestly, everyone should have a prenup. A prenup is just, it's a way, if worse comes to worse, if you ended up marrying West Wilson, you know, who knows what could happen. If we're getting divorced, it's already set out. I think everyone should have a prenup, even if you have, especially if you have kids, especially if you have kids, but even if you have, you know, two nickels and some Instagram likes to your name, that I think you should just have a prenup. Like why not? Just get out of the way. Yeah. And I do, though, empathize with the idea from her that like, I have a trust, but like our money, my money is our money, and I believe that as like a woman, you know, in a relationship, however, that has to go both ways. Yeah. If your name was on the account, so is mine. What does that mean? I mean, we also didn't quite name that the fact that he was part of her not working though. Like he had reinforced her being a stay at home mom when she didn't want to. She wanted to return to the workforce. And I think that that's something that played an additional role in it was like, it wasn't an act of choice that she was just totally fine with being at home with the kids. But it's like, you're only allowed to really make all that money because of all the care that she is taking. Oh, of course. So, yeah. I don't know. I mean, a spoiler is like, I'm glad he's found sense in the end of it. And there was a point. Well, I mean, sense is a very loose word. But there was a point where he was threatening to withhold not just all of his money and split the house's 50/50 with her. As if she would have to sell her part of the house, meaning sell the home where the children grew up and the home, the apartment, yeah. And that to me, you know, you're saying about him not wanting to see the kids is like the biggest, most awful moment. Him willing to sell his, like, children's childhood home is crazy when you don't have to wait. You need to like go get your examined. Yeah. Yeah. How dare you? Yeah. But then the response. So, what was it? It was in the New Yorker. Okay. There's a big New Yorker article that came out at the end of May titled What's Missing from Bellbird and Strangers. And it essentially says that while the central conflict of the book is Will the Husband basically leave Bellbird? in desolate. Yeah. That was not actually ever a real risk. But she has a lot of money that she made income of $800,000 in 2019. Her spokesperson had said that Bell had actually it was like she had sold her mother's house or something and that her husband had made seven figures. But in the marriage, her total financial assets and interests and trusts was approximately $63 million from two trusts and various investment accounts. All the money was not immediately available to her until cash. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It's not cash on hand. But she did use a lot of the trust to buy these houses. And I'm kind, there's been a lot of, wow, that's crazy. Like this is very like white woman whining, way of privilege. And there's also a lot of, well, okay, and yeah. And I kind of fall in the middle. I fall in the middle. I think that, yes, she has a lot of privilege and she talks about that a lot in the book. Yeah. Um, however, I also feel that it's not about, you know, leaving her homeless on the street. Does that have to be the standard that she has kind of like literally on the street with nothing to her name? No, it's about, this is a, she thought she married one man and he completely changed overnight. And I think that it is, you know, a form of abuse to make someone wonder about what is going to happen in their financial life. That is weird to me. Right. Absolutely. I tend to lean a little bit more of like, I don't really give a fuck about the trust. I don't really give a fuck about like pocket watching her because I think she did a decent job of setting up the fact that like she is rich. She is a rich white woman with a lot of privilege. Like, so I think if she was saying like, yeah, I grew up middle class and working family and like lied about her financial situation and who her family was, it would totally be a different conversation. But I think you get, you get that really early in the book. You get that from a Google search before you read the book. So I think it was never the finances. Obviously a part of the story and the fact that like she married this person that would threaten to change her financial situation so much and ask for me to take custody of these kids. That's just part of it, not the totality of it. So this to me feels like I don't think is not, I just don't think it's necessary. I mean, thank you for the additional information, but I already knew she was a really rich woman. Yeah, I do think though, as you were saying earlier that like despite having so much privilege, she doesn't, didn't really know about like financial literacy. And maybe this is what that goes to show that her and her head thinking like, okay, all of my children's school are paid, are paid for by like this trust. However, what are we going to do for money? I'm going to have to sell my house. Well, well, that might speak to, okay, well, how much kind of carton of milk costs. Right. That's too kind of a way. And that, you know, yeah, I think that's maybe part of this story too. So yeah, I fall in the middle as well. Yeah. So after a bidding war, Gwen Paltrow acquired the rights and is going to start on it. Thank God, dream casting. Who do you think should play the husband? Oh, let me get out my list. Hold on. Okay, let's see. This is a working woman. Right. Of course. Let me see what I said. Zoom. I said, oh girl, I get a screw back. I've been writing. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Okay, I wrote this for the newsletter. Hunter here is not subbed.com. It's cold hung up. Um, and I said, oh, I said, okay, Billy crewed up. Oh, love Patrick Wilson from girls. Yes, woman's trash. I thought that would be good. Clive Owen. I love me some Clive Owen. That's good for curial man. Um, Ethan Hawke, I thought, I'm losing a bit. I just like Ethan Hawke. What am I going to say? Um, I just like Ethan Hawke. But you went real road road island on me. She does. Ma, she does. Yeah. Jason Bateman, because he has an evil spirit. And that's on Juneau. I absolutely believe he would give up custody of his children. Okay. Next. Jason Bateman, like, no, why am I? And I hope he did, too. I hope there's a chill in his body. I love that. I'm going billier. One man's trash. I've got his patchacles real name. Yeah, those are good. We'll see. Say tuned. Huge news, breaking news, even. We are coming to Tribeca. We are doing a special. Let me say this live episode, June 11th at the Tribeca Festival podcast stage. But we're not just coming by ourselves. We're bringing our friend Sydney Lemon, star of the drama, succession, tar, job on Broadway. And we'll be hosting a one night only special live event. It's the festival's 25th anniversary. So you're not going to want to miss this. The event is June 11th at 6 p.m. And you can buy tickets right now at Tribecafilm.com/audio. And just because somebody y'all don't listen sometimes, I'm going to say it again. That's Tribecafilm.com/audio. See you there. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. 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Honestly, knowing Sam Robinson, he'd find a way. Sam Robinson giving an exclusive interview to pop cast why he ended the show. We know why. We can see why out of ideas. We know why it's over. You know what? Actually, right after I finished, I watched season one episode one. I was like, we had good food on our plate. We used to eat our bellies before. Clean, clean, clean, clean, clean, clean, clean, clean, clean, clean, I was like, damn, it was so, I even watched a bit of episode two because I was really feeling, I was taking my braids out so I had some time to kill. But I just was like, sad at how far we've come from what, I showed that I think had so much potential for and gave us a lot of great breakout stars. Yes, obviously that. But finale, a quick summary in the penultimate episode Nate dies. Randomly rattlesnake. In the finale, Maddie accidentally tells Apollo that Rue is a snitch for the DEA and he gives Rue a fential-laced percussette. Rue has like a very meaningful moment with her mother in this sort of fantasy as she's overdosing and then Ali, played by Coleman Domingo, finds her body and as revenge, kills Apollo, really just unleashes the real wrath on Apollo and his crew. And that's kind of it. And Cassie is back in that home, even though Nate is dead and Maddie, what does she do? She's with Apollo. She's with Apollo. Yeah. Until he dies. Yeah. But how did you like that little kind of like western ending? How did it happen for you? The whole season has felt like too much of a western to me in the sense that that's just not where this show excels. Yeah. This is a show, especially stylistically, that plays with the expectations and drama of high school, of like the emotional experience of high school where everything does feel larger than life, so much better than these sweeping beautiful landscapes, which look really nice. But I'm like, this is not a show about a criminal fucking conspiracy. Yeah. So where are we? Yeah. What's happening? Even the Nazis, I was like, you guys don't even look like real red necks to me. You're like, that's just a trauma. I know when I see it. Yeah, I think like one obvious, but this whole season was just such a disservice, I think specifically, to the female leads. I think it made it infantilized and dumbed down pretty much all of its characters, Maddie. Cassie, sometimes even Rue, but Sharls for certain. But you know, something that I think was the like root of the issue for me was this one scene in the penultimate episode where Cassie books the role on the TV show that Lexi works on. And Sharon Stone is having a meeting with the, like, I guess, whatever. Yeah. And he's like, we can't have a real porn star in it. And she was really pushing for it. And then all of a sudden just goes, uh, I guess you're right. Okay. Anyway, I don't care. That's the vibe of you for you. That's what it felt like you for you as season three of just like fake stakes. Wait, what? Actually, I don't care. Like, I don't know, I just felt like it couldn't commit to anything. And yeah, what a bummer. Yeah. I don't know. I'm yeah, I think the moment, similarly it fell apart for me was at Cassie and Nate's wedding, which I, I liked that moment so much. And it's so felt like there was so much more meat on the bone food on the table there, where we needed, why didn't we have one major moment between Maddie and Nate all season? Yeah. Um, what is Lexi doing stuff for again, wearing clashing patterns. Um, and the Jules, Jules is such like the emotional center of the show because she's the emotional center really of Rue. And all she gets is like one scene in the finale. That slap kind of. Oh my god. The slap was just love. And I'm not saying that I need Jules to, you know, be redeemed or like have a happier ending. I liked Rue dying. I thought that was, um, yeah, especially after Inga's Clouds dad. It really hit for me that this is a show that's always been about a woman's, like, a teenage girl's experience with addiction. Yeah. And that she finally succumbs to that. Um, and that, you know, this danger of succumbing or relapsing is like always just around the corner. That I thought was very emotional. I thought it was a really sensitive way to end her story. But it's like, that's the only real ending we get. Yeah. And of course, it is an ensemble show. And not everyone gets, you know, a really finale moment, maybe, but I just kind of was like, oh my, like, does anything else exist on this show? Something I struggled with with Rue's death, um, was Maddie's lack of response to it. Why didn't we get there? There was a real like, um, friendship built between them over, I think the course of the seasons that wasn't like, as obvious as you would think. And she has such a visceral reaction when she finds out that Rue relapsed. I think it's in, uh, season two where they're in the bathroom scene. Yeah. And so you see that, like, gutter roll, like, feral care for her. And we don't get anything with that. I just wanted to see, hope, it just one thing about it. Like, you know, that she knows, I guess, you know, Sydney, Sweeney's, um, what's the word I'm looking for? Like, yeah, just like, um, well, she was a drug addict. I guess at this point, that just feels in whatever this new character is. But with Maddie, I wanted so just even a moment more that acknowledged Rue's death that made me feel sad. But I, I actually, I got, I do think that it's a real shortcoming of the show that the, um, grief over Rue's death really begins and ends with Coleman Domingo's character. There's not a lot outside of that, which, I love that for Coleman Domingo a little bit for the character of Ali, who's obviously been very close to Rue. Um, however, it does feel like such a strange switch up for no one else really have a moment to react or for that to land on anyone else. Right. That felt like disappointed. I thought it could have given us like the, the, a little bit more of a button or a closure that, that you were maybe searching for with the other characters, but something that I legit cried about was the fest moment. Yeah. I'm like, it made me so sad and like deeply emotional and like, honestly, remind us of our friend, Dean, who passed away because of addiction and like that, you know, I got nervous getting into this season and seeing so much of him come up where I was like, be so careful what you do with this and knowing like their relationship and, you know, they're both from Oakland and like how closely were and like that, I think built up to the right thing, like the right execution of it, especially in her, like, um, I guess, like coming it up, getting high and then eventually dying. And I think seeing them have pieced together in that way was like, Sam got me that one time. You got me that one time. Good. I agree. But the rest of it, I don't know when you foray became a show about like rival drug gangs. Who are the dumbest gangs in the world? What do you mean? Sydney Swini explain this to me. Okay. Explain this to me. You need money from Nate. Nate's wife is Cassie. Cassie works on only fans. So you have your goon push her into a glass table. Who's going to pay? Like she is a model. She's a model. So like, kind of she needs her body is like, I'm going to cut off your tits. So then you're not going to make any money. So how does that make sense? I'm going to get your money back. Um, this season again and again has felt like, okay, well, that scene is clearly Brian DiPolma. And this scene is clearly Barnes for Cezzie. And this scene is clearly Michael Mann. And it all amounts to this weird cosplay of, I mean, this scene is unforgiven. Um, it all amounts to this weird cosplay that I'm like, that's not saying leavenson's strength, especially when the first season of euphoria is so I really believe this like cinematic and it's crazy, especially for someone who watched off-campus this weekend. We, and we go follow on that. Yeah. Yeah. Say psych. Um, you forg it really elevates all of those feelings, something that is extremely adult and serious. And that's like why I love watching gossip girl and like, yeah, in the early days, because that's how it feels to be a teenager. And yet, and euphoria season three, now I feel like interest, Elba and the wire like, okay, no, it's in a criminal fucking conspiracy. I am so glad you brought up like where we're at in the store because when you go back again to season one, the writing is so sharp and smart and quick and and not in a way that feels pandering and internetty and like current, it feels very specific to the way that young girls talk to each other, which is I was surprised at how well executed it was at the time, especially by Sam Lovenson. And it is shocking how far we've gotten from that. And also the plotting in the early seasons, every story intersects. Yeah. Everything is, you know, jewels has this thing with Nate's dad, nothing with me, all this stuff. Um, and by season three, people aren't even talking to each other. People aren't even the same scene. And I get that it's, you know, a lot of essentially difficulties, of course, but this is just not the same show. It's weird that Nate, the whole season is getting limbs cut off in a random house. And you know what's crazy is because his opening setup, he gets his look back a few times. Like, remember, he beats up the guy that raped but didn't, Maddie, he go, he's like not even just like beat them up. He like stocks him for like a week and then eventually. So there's like a little bit of like, of course, like chaos evil, but there's like even method involved. And now he's just like, he's just getting his ass beat. That's it over and over and over again. I don't know. It just no ideas. You don't have anything to say. You don't have anything to bring to the table. What are you doing? Um, you for your highs for you. Oh, um, you for your highs, I would say the dancing during the play. Oh, yes. Uh, the very gay dancing during the play. So good. Um, you know, I know it's not, it, it made no sense. It was nonsensical, but I really loved the very gay, very cinematic, like, uh, cutaways to all the like the rom coms that jute, uh, jute that Ru and Jules played. It was like broke back mount, specifically broke that mountain one. Happy Pride, by the way. Um, what I, and then on like a more serious note when she, when they try to have that intervention with Ru and I think it's like some of Zendaya's bus acting. Yeah. Um, yeah. Those are for, uh, and just BB shout out to BB. Okay. We sleep on our, we forget about her. BB. I never forgot about you. I never played about you. I like, I always say I hate a vape. I love a vape queen. And she was fogging up those mirrors. Uh, I love her. What about you? What are you for your eyes? I, okay. Similarly to, um, the sort of lesbian, super cut movie moment of Ru and Jules. I love the way that we see Jules as development as an artist throughout the series, even all the way to her being like, why can't I put Dix in this network TV show? Um, that was really strong moment for me, especially earlier in the show, have to go for the Maddie Cassie stuff. Oh, of course. First of all, the bitch, you better be joking. That, and then is this fucking play about us. That is just like one of the best high school plotlines of any show ever. And I love the way that this all kind of comes back on Lexi, wherever all her friends are like, Loki, like, why the fuck did you do that? No, this is so me defending. She's a writer. She's a writer. No, like a writer exposing airing out her closest friends. One of our greatest archetypes, like the best man. Yeah. It's very um, the L word, is that your, is that your, is that your, is that it's right in my, in my mind? I made this one. Jenny in the L word, if you know, you know, and then also that scene of Ru fighting with her mom and like getting on the car running through traffic, you might, yeah, nose goes. Um, but that I systematically was just so cool. Yeah. So crazy. I have driving anxiety already. It only made it worse. Yeah. You know, what I will give season three in terms of consistency, the makeup department. tear every time. Alexander French, Alexander French, you tore that. Danny Davie, or I forgot her name, I'm sorry, but Diva, you ate. And I hope you're makeup line last forever. But like they really ate the, I saw them do like a break down video of the Jacob already, like death toes and make it was pretty impressive. They're the only ones. I was like, okay, we do what we do, y'all do what you do. Well, I mean, I'm glad to be off that ride. But unfortunately, we are clocking into another one. We're, we're pressing play on off campus. We'll be back soon with that. Or maybe we won't survive it. We'll see. I finished a girl. I barely survived by the hair on my chinny chin chin. I think, you know, beautiful thing about 100, like she'll finish something because she'll hate it with her, she wants to hide it with her full chest. She won't hide it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we'll see you there. We'll see you off campus.