Who Fell Out Of Charlie’s SUV? TPUSA Makes A HUGE Mistake Releasing Alleged Text from Charlie.
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Tammy shares her experience of saving money and time by shopping at BJ's Wholesale Club, emphasizing its affordability and convenience for her college-bound children. The broader narrative focuses on an investigation into the security details surrounding Charlie Kirk's death, including the identification of key security members like Todd Espy and Claude Barnes. Investigators note that the security team wore coordinated outfits, suggesting deliberate planning and team cohesion. A central figure, Christopher, the driver who accompanied Charlie to the event, remains unidentified despite multiple video appearances and a strong timeline linking him to the final hours. The inquiry into Christopher's identity is bolstered by footage showing him unlocking the trunk of the SUV and briefly fumbling with a backpack, raising questions about his actions and possible motives. The investigation also scrutinizes an alleged text message from Charlie to Dan Flood and Andrew Colvett, claiming he feared being killed by "the left," which is challenged by evidence suggesting the message may have been sent during a Zoom call with Israeli officials, with no explicit mention of "the left." This context implies the message may have referred to the current political or diplomatic situation, not a broad leftist threat. Turning Point USA’s refusal to release or verify the message, combined with internal contradictions and timeline inconsistencies, fuels skepticism. The team concludes that the security failure was significant—despite a coordinated response, Charlie was not properly assisted after the attack, and his body was placed on a travel suitcase rather than the ground. The investigation also highlights unverified claims involving missing evidence, such as body cam footage of weapons or surveillance, and calls for transparency. Ultimately, the report emphasizes that inconsistencies in official narratives, combined with a lack of accountability from key figures like Blake Neff and Andrew Wilson, suggest a pattern of deception. The narrative stresses that the truth about Charlie’s final moments and the security response remains incomplete and requires further public scrutiny.
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All right, you guys.
Happy Thursday, which is basically our Friday.
At least it's the last podcast of the week.
So we received a flurry of emails yesterday
with questions regarding the footage that we aired,
the mysterious backpack that flies out of the trunk,
the person who picks up the backpack.
People, inquiring minds, want to know.
And we can provide answers.
We also received a ton of emails asking for clarification
to identify those individuals.
And we are grateful that many of you guys
answered the call when we asked you,
who are those remaining security members on the TPUSA team?
And of course, because we want to be spicy,
we have more exclusive footage of the security members
on Charlie's team from September 10th.
But perhaps most importantly today,
I would now like to formally address the text message
that my debate opponent, if that's what we're calling him,
Andrew Wilson, released while I was in Iceland.
The alleged message from Charlie the night before,
his death, allegedly sent via telegram,
wherein Charlie says he's afraid the left is going to kill him.
That message is exceedingly problematic,
but not for the reasons that you think.
Turning Point walked right into a most wonderful trap,
and I'm going to explain to you guys why.
Welcome back to Candace.
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We're to begin, we're to begin.
I guess let's start with filling in some holes,
some narrative holes from yesterday.
Now, I asked the public if you guys could help me out
IDing some of the remaining security members from September 10th,
and you guys obliged me.
We can now complete this photo officially.
Team is all here.
So what I had left off was I was asking about
the guy in the far right in the blue shirt.
We now have the guy in the far right in the blue shirt.
We now know that that is Todd Espy.
Like I said, bright blue shirt, far right,
just in front of Alex Faria and Brian Harpole.
And then we had remaining the person,
Chester, I think it goes by Claude Barnes.
Now, we're fairly certain,
we've done our bit of research here,
that that is Claude Barnes.
He is at least with Integrity or was with Integrity Solutions.
And I want to thank ex-user JJ86
for pulling that one together for us.
And I want to thank him for pulling that one together for us.
If you guys have any more information,
if we made any mistakes, please let us know.
We would like to reach out to these people
and see if they would be willing to speak to us.
Now, many people noted how odd it was
that all of them in that photo
appeared to be wearing the same shoes,
the same outfits.
I think that that was probably done intentionally,
that they wanted to be able to recognize one another,
sort of like what I was saying about the feds,
how they'll have, or the military,
they'll have a color code for the day.
So that just seems like,
organization to me, it is remarkable.
They do kind of all have the same shoes.
Didn't strike me as odd,
but I will say what does strike me as interesting
is that Butch Hibbs is matching them.
Yeah, I asked myself that a while ago.
I said, what are the odds that Butch Hibbs,
the mountain man, just to be clear,
not the CIA or the Mossad man,
he just likes the mountains.
What are the odds that he shows up on a whim
in matching attire?
Okay, here's Butch.
Obviously the dress code for the security team
was to wear a plaid shirt and to wear those brown shoes.
If you quite literally photoshopped him
into the security pic,
you would just think he belonged.
We did that.
Look, look at the shoes.
It's just interesting.
Not exactly what I would call mountain shoes,
but I mean, I guess I wouldn't call them
Mossad shoes either.
Anyway, we still do not, however,
have a positive ID on a rather crucial character, Christopher.
The security member that was on Charlie
and who drove him to the event at UVU
with Mikey McCoy and Nate Walker
and Frank Turek in the back seat.
Now I want to show you guys some clearer images of Christopher.
Because I realized yesterday we only showed you one blurry one
and I intended to show you more
because his beard was grown out
and I find that men,
their entire face changes if they grow a beard out.
One person did email us and thought
that his surname might be Jobin,
J-O-B-I-N,
but we were not able to confirm
or even find one thread or shred of proof
that that would be his surname.
But like I said,
I want to just show you some clearer images
so we can reopen that part of our investigation.
Here he is, less grown out beard here.
And here he is with no beard.
So you could get a sense of,
he just looks a lot younger, obviously,
like all men do when they don't have a beard.
And here's another photo of him.
Believe it or not, yes,
that's him.
That is our individual that is on Charlie.
So if you know who that is,
recognize that person,
please send us an email to moretipsatcandiceowens.com.
You can also send an email to tipsatcandiceowens.com
would be a person that I'd love to reach out to
for various reasons.
Now, I can tell you that I did, of course,
reach out to my sources at Turning Point USA
to learn more about him.
When was he hired?
Who is he?
I don't recognize him.
And I was told that he was hired
late 2024
and that he was not particularly friendly.
He didn't speak to anyone
at Turning Point USA's facilities.
He was on Charlie.
And so that's why nobody seems to know his last name.
And I was also told
that he was allegedly in attendance
during that fateful Hampton Summit
where Bibi Netanyahu called Charlie Kirk,
something, a story that we broke
and which, I mean, Erica confirmed
the reasons for that phone call.
I don't know if I accept what she told me,
but the Hampton Summit is an interesting one,
especially given Bill Ackman's
odd investment in the story.
That's all we know about him thus far.
Like I said, if you can help identify him,
please do reach out to tips
or more tips at candiceowens.com.
Moving on from that,
we had received a few emails from people speculating
that maybe the keys were hidden in the hood of the car.
You know, yesterday we were trying to figure out
okay, what's going on here?
How was this door open?
What kind of security would leave a car door open?
Also, what kind of security would leave their vehicles,
the security vehicles, blocked in
so that they can't get out?
And if you rewatch the footage,
I do want to say,
it looks like the car is already open, okay?
Because if you take a look at Justin Davis
and you take a look at Blake Harroff,
they arrive to the car first.
They don't go to the hood
or to anything else.
They go directly to the passenger side door
and it does not appear that it is locked, okay?
How do we know?
Because if they had unlocked the door on their way
while they were running,
we would see that in the footage.
The back lights would flash as back lights do
when you hit the car keys open on any modern car.
And this is a 2025 Denali.
So we know that it would just, you know, look red.
And we go, someone just turned on the car.
Now, in order for them to drive that vehicle off,
of course, they would have to drive it off.
The keys were either already in the car
or it was in one of their pockets as well.
It could have been in Justin Davis's pocket.
It could have been in Blake's pocket.
Blake could have put it in the car.
And I will say from a purely speculative standpoint
that it is at least plausible
that in the immediate aftermath of the explosion,
one of them either already had the keys on them
or perhaps were handed the keys.
Because if you watch the footage from Charlie's front,
after the explosion,
it goes off both Justin and Blake Harreff
at first sort of slide and dive toward Charlie
before then instantly pivoting and sprinting to the car.
And we're going to isolate those actions
and show you that one by one.
First up, we're going to look at Blake Harreff, okay?
So he is going to dive across the table.
That's our table diver.
You can watch him actually from two angles.
We have the angle behind Charlie's head,
which Terrell shared with me,
and the angle from the,
the crowd.
Take a look at this.
There he is.
There's Blake.
You're going to see him kind of jump across the table there.
And many people looked at that
and thought it was possible
that there was a handoff of some description.
But actually, if you examine some side footage,
which I'm about to show you,
it looks more like he reaches into his pocket for something,
something that we can deduce has to be small
because he uses just two fingers.
We have no idea if it's a car key.
It could also be something else entirely,
but we're just showing you all of this because,
you know,
all of these little pieces make up a puzzle.
Take a look here.
There you have him.
Maybe keys,
maybe not,
maybe something totally different.
Can't be certain.
Worth noting.
Next up we have Justin Davis.
So he does less of a slide,
a bit more of a dive,
but he is not entirely in view.
If you take a look,
He sort of. Looks like he goes beneath the table before he gets up and sprints to the car.
So we're going to show you that.
Take a look here.
There's Justin in front.
He turns around there.
Then he comes around.
And there he is on that right-hand side there outside of the table.
We can't see what he actually does while he's down there.
But then he immediately gets up and he runs off.
Is it possible, Keys?
We're handed to him in that moment.
Sure, it's possible.
Is it certain?
Absolutely not.
But we're allowed to think.
We're going to keep thinking while it's legal.
Then, of course, is the video that we showed you yesterday.
And we are, again, going to isolate Justin Davis so that you can see that he is the first
to arrive with Blake Harreff in tow to the open passenger door of the Denali.
We're going to show you first this as just a bright clip before we isolate who Justin is.
Take a look at this.
There they are, the two of them right there.
An interesting choice, by the way, to run to the passenger door.
I'm not really entirely sure why that is.
And then he goes for that little meet and greet in front.
Justin, little huddle.
Mikey.
And then he gets in there.
And then there comes Charlie.
We're now going to show you that clip again.
We're going to show you that clip again.
Again, somewhat darkened because you want to highlight the key characters here.
Take a look again.
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There's Mikey not on the phone, just covering his ear.
And now you can see the two of them opening that door.
Justin goes around to the front.
Who knows?
Who knows how those keys got there?
Or whether or not the keys were given or when.
Exactly.
The keys were given, rather, to Justin or Blake.
Unless one or both of them wants to come forward and share their stories
or fill in some of these holes, we can't know for certain.
It's obviously chaotic, but it's also strangely choreographed, in my view.
Right?
It's strange to me that there doesn't seem to be any misdirection or any fumbling or any confusion.
They all knew that.
They knew to go to that car specifically.
They knew it was available.
They knew it was open.
Again, this is all happening within 45 seconds.
This is happening within 30 seconds when you see Justin and them get there.
And as we stressed yesterday, it's especially odd to me that the driver of that vehicle is missing.
The driver, who one might assume had the keys, Chris, and who had previously locked that car,
at some point before the explosive goes off, he presumably unlocks the car and then makes a decision to go upstairs.
With Charlie's assistant, Nate Walker, heading toward the Sorensen Center just before the bang.
I mean, minutes before the bang.
And like I said, some people thought that maybe it's Mikey who handed those keys to Justin Davis
because Mikey was, in fact, in the car.
Maybe he had a spare set during that little front-of-car powwow.
Maybe.
I do think it's odd that both Danny and Mikey instantly went to that exact spot separately, but instantly.
Especially Danny.
Because Danny didn't arrive in that car.
Danny's passing his car and then goes right in the front and does that little dip and then goes off with Mikey to the left.
Now, the question that we got a lot of people asking online is who fell out of the vehicle?
Somebody falls out of that vehicle.
You are correct.
Somebody does fall out of that vehicle.
And we can confirm to you that that is a different security person.
That is Alex Faria.
Okay.
Alex Faria, it looks as though he attempts to get into the trunk.
Uh, where, uh, Frank Tarek is.
But then he falls out.
And we can show you that with Alex Faria isolated.
And yes, in addition to that, you will see in this clip that a backpack falls out of the car.
Take a look here.
There is Alex.
He gets in.
And then the backpack falls out at the end there.
Now, I do want to say, regarding Alex Faria falling out of that car, it's a bit of a wonder that a pastor would think it's wise for him to be in the car above security on the way to the hospital.
You would think that he would yield to security and say, okay, I'll find my own way.
I just think that feels mildly inappropriate, given the circumstances.
And speaking of Frank Tarek, there are a lot of things that he has said.
There are a lot of things that he has said about that day that are questionable.
I mean, definitely the CPR story, to me, is the most senseless.
His excuse that Brian Harpoel was distracted and forgot that he conducted CPR on a dying person in the very small vehicle.
I don't think Harpoel just forgot that.
I actually think Harpoel told the truth between the two of them, if I'm being honest, when he said that no CPR was conducted in the car.
I don't think he was distracted.
Also, by the way, if you are wondering, as many of you were, who it was that picked up that backpack that fell almost instantly, you see someone pick up the backpack.
It is, again, more remarkable luck.
It looks like choreography almost.
They're so lucky that it happened to be a longtime Turning Point USA employee, Chrissy Pacheco, who picks up that backpack.
It's not a random student or a passerby or a police officer, but a person that was in charge of logistics.
On that day, a member of the logistics team for Turning Point USA that helped to set up everything.
That is a truthful answer.
She's there in time just to pick up the backpack as it falls out.
And we can show that again if we want to, just show that clip of the backpack falling out and then it sort of getting scooped by Chrissy.
Here we go.
Here comes the backpack.
We've highlighted Chrissy there, so you can see.
First thing she does is she picks up that backpack.
End of story.
In case you guys thought it was a rando, it's not a rando.
Someone on the Turning Point USA team.
Okay.
Now, I would like to stress here that I expressed yesterday that I believe the backpack belongs to Chris, the anonymous Chris.
And honestly, it's a Utah 1102 hearsay sufficient speculation that I am making.
I am inferring upon some other evidence that I am.
I have been withholding that I'm going to share with you all today.
Something interesting that happened.
Could be interesting.
I think it's interesting.
You see, around 12, 11 p.m., so like approximately 12 minutes before Charlie gets hit, Chris, person that's supposed to be on Charlie, with keys in hand, heads to that Denali.
And he unlocks the trunk.
And he either puts. Put something into the trunk or take something out of whatever is in the trunk.
That part is obvious.
There's something in the trunk that he is going, as you will see, to, I guess you could say, fumble around with.
Take a look.
There he is.
No one's around.
And he goes right where. The backpack maybe is.
Looks like he almost put something in his pocket.
Looks to the left a little suspiciously.
Let's play it again for people back at home.
Here he is.
There he goes.
Something on that left side.
Again, this is approximately 12, 11.
Put something in his pocket.
Looks back to maybe. Make sure no one is looking at him.
And then he closes the trunk.
And then we know what he does next is he goes upstairs with Nate Walker, Charlie's assistant, toward the Sorenson building.
And I do want to stress that when we come back from break, we're going to talk about this message that Turning Point USA released.
And it's really strange because if Charlie had expressed that he thought the left was going to kill him and he expressed the night before,
that he wanted to make sure that his security men stayed on him, as you're going to see in this message,
it's very odd that Chris, the main person who was on him, the main security detail on him, would go upstairs with his assistant.
I don't think Nate Walker needed to be guarded.
I don't think that's what Charlie meant in this alleged text message.
And I'm going to tell you why I'm saying alleged in a moment.
Let's take a brief break and we'll come right back.
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did Chris put in his pocket? And why did he then go upstairs with Nate Walker in tow and towards
Sorensen? What's in Sorensen? Does he even know what's in Sorensen? I mean, allegedly, they didn't
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in Sorensen? I mean, what are the chances, right? What was in his pocket? I got to find out. Maybe
we will find out. Maybe there's some more pieces that we can put together next week.
Anyway, so while I was in Iceland, Turning Point, USA, namely Andrew Colvette. Greenlit,
Andrew Colvette.
Andrew Wilson coming out with an alleged telegram message from Charlie Kirk the night before he was
killed. Now, this is the same message that Andrew Wilson bizarrely read as his opening statement in
our debate. Our debate was not about Charlie's messages the night before. Very strange that he
would read that and then didn't want to show it on our, during our debate. And then he released
the alleged message on his show. Now, what's very strange about this, immediately strange,
and should strike you as ever intentional, is that Turning Point will not acknowledge his
authenticity. And that Turning Point did not choose to instead, since their whole narrative
that they have been trying to push is that a leftist did this, why didn't they release this
immediately? Why didn't Turning Point, USA, give this to the New York Post, give this to the Daily
Mail, say, aha, here it is, evidence that he was terrified of the left? No. To the contrary,
they did the exact opposite. I was the one who revealed,
and I did not say the left because I was told it did not say the left. I was told that he said,
they are going to kill me, to Dan Flood. And I have it on good authority also that the message
went out to Dan Flood via iMessage, not Telegram. To strike you again as remarkably odd that
Turning Point, USA, hands it to a third party who we know is happy to lie. He'll lie about what he
said two seconds ago. He'll lie about what he knows. Really,
our debate was three hours of him trying to gaslight me about things that were said
moments earlier, pretending that he knew the charges, all sorts of things. Why would they
hand this to a chain-smoking liar rather than giving it to someone reputable to publish it and
say, this is authentic? But you know what? Rather than me assert that I believe that the message is
a recreation of a message that was sent on iMessage, not Telegram, sent to Dan Flood, and with the words
the left added, let's for a moment do what the defense does during a probative hearing. Let me
actually engage in their arguments. Let's pretend for a moment the message is real, because they
made a very, very big mistake. This is the text message that he released. Again, this is Telegram.
And Charlie,
Charlie wants to know what's the lay of the land. Dan Flood comes back and says, yes, law enforcement
has been fully supportive and has agreed to the security plan and posture. Tomorrow's event will
be covered by both my team and Campus PD. If additional support is required, patrol units
will be available. And Charlie says, thank you. Threats are higher than ever. And then that gets
cut off. And Dan says, I have 11.
I don't know why we would include that message about the threats. Then Charlie said, okay, great.
Delicately remind them that they are there for one person, security only. I'm somewhat worried
about the left trying to kill me. Just said separately by itself there.
Dan then comes back and says, just so you are aware, I will be, and I'm going to say Dan,
because that's what I was told. Remember, I'm the one who told you about these messages.
I'm the one who broke the story and they gaslit me. And now they're admitting it,
but saying it was the left. Dan, this allegedly should be Dan, comes back and says, just so you
are aware, I will be strict with allowing people into our bubble. I can't have distractions in
there. As you spoke of earlier, we are here for one priority. And then Dan replies to Charlie,
having said, I'm somewhat worried about the left.
Trying to kill me. I saying, I've got you. I will do all in my power to make that extremely
difficult to which Charlie likes that on telegram. Now, immediately the internet clocks that this
actually made me look good because back when Erica did her first PR blitz in December of 2025,
it was me who had been telling the world that Charlie sent two messages the night before.
He was worried that they were going to kill him. I actually revealed this on
October 7th. You can go back and watch the episode. And I was explicit in saying that it
was not the left as this unconfirmed text message reads, but they, in fact, when Andrew Colvett told
me this information, because he was my source and he told me he received one message and Dan
Flood received the other. And I covered for him and said it was a donor as well as somebody close
to Turning Point USA. I specifically asked Andrew Colvett,
who Charlie meant by they. So I was told this in the week after Charlie died by Andrew Colvett.
Okay. And I specifically prodded that narrative. And I said, who is they? And he told me that he
did not know. So I'm not going to pretend. He said, oh, it was, it's the Jews in Israel. He
didn't say that. Uh, he said, I don't know. And I thought that's weird. Like who just randomly
would text Andrew Colvett and be like, they're going to kill me. Like who's going to randomly
then text Dan Flood and say, they're going to kill me and not be more explicit.
I would have obviously remembered if he said the left, because I communicated it instantly on my
show on October 7th and said, this is exclusive. This is he sent it to two people. Yet, despite me
knowing about Charlie's concerns and knowing about these message back in September and informing my
audience on October 7th, months later in December, when Erica hit the circuit, clearly with the
express purpose of debunking what I had said, she denied the message's existence. She wanted to
blend back.
I know the, the tour, that was the first stop of the tour. And I know you two had met with your
priest, uh, the night before. And did, do you think Charlie knew to some degree and had made
the conscious, the conscious choice that I may be taken out early, not saying he knew that that day,
but that he,
had any inkling that this might come his way and that he intentionally chose to move forward
with faith in God.
It's interesting because
We always, we have, I mean, I still, I have unbelievable amounts of death threats.
My kids have kidnapping threats, death threats.
Our whole team has death threats.
We knew that there was always going to be a threat, but Charlie and I always, we promised
each other we would never live in fear.
And he would say, if they're going to get me, they're going to get me.
But he was not messaging people the day before saying, I'm going to be murdered.
They're coming after me.
Someone's going to kill me.
You know, he didn't say that.
And I have his cell phone.
Didn't say that.
Spicy.
He didn't say that.
And I have a cell phone.
And it's important to remember that Andrew Colbert was doing PR with her and traveling
with her at this time.
So it really is weird that Andrew Colbert would tell me that and not tell Erica.
Months later, we're supposed to believe that Erica was completely ignorant on these messages
until I clocked her.
That was the original TP.
USA since, so to speak, that I said, that's really weird.
And the next day I went on my show and I said, she's lying.
Erica is lying there.
That's very strange.
These messages absolutely were real.
They were received by Dan Flood and Andrew Colbert.
And then I met up with Erica.
They very quickly then reached out and she was like, oh, yeah, no, the messages are real.
Once you said that, then I went in and I saw that Charlie, she said something about connecting
the phone to the internet.
And she then confirmed.
She confirmed with the team and Charlie had the phone set to auto delete on his signal
and his telegram.
What I didn't reveal to Erica is that a source that I trust deeply much more than I trust
Erica and who has been more consistent on telling the truth about what happened on that
day said the text messages were received on iMessage.
So I am not inclined to believe that these messages are on telegram.
But actually, there's something bigger, boys and girls, the trap that they walked right
into.
They walked right into.
More interesting than this, whether or not the message is edited or not, is that Andrew
Wilson provided timestamps.
The internet literally did not clock this.
Now, Andrew, Andrew Wilson, if you had listened to me and how much I love a timeline, my official
timeline, you would have recalled that I had been meticulous about Charlie's schedule on
September 9th, every hour of what he was doing.
But I could populate.
I could put it on to my official timeline, confirming his whereabouts, what he was doing.
And what is interesting about when Charlie sent this, these alleged panicked messages
to his security, Dan Flood, and to Andrew Colvett, which he has not yet addressed, is
that he sent them when he was on the now notorious Zoom call with leaders in Israel.
Oh, boy.
Let me jog your memory regarding Charlie's final day, day before he died, September 9th.
Erica, remember, he comes back from Korea, so he's jet-lagged.
Erica said that she woke Charlie up for his Fox News hit.
That's per Andrew Colvett.
At 1 o'clock p.m., Charlie appears in the Will Cain show from his Turning Point USA office
studio.
He then jumps right on to a 40-minute interview on Mark Halperin's show.
At 3 o'clock p.m., Erica told me that she was getting her nails done.
And that in this hour is when Charlie had that back-and-forth and fight on the phone
and said that he was leaving the pro-Israel cause.
And no, he was not saying it tongue-in-cheek.
That's at 3.54 p.m.
That message was sent.
Suddenly, there's a Zoom call, an emergency Zoom call.
It seems to me this was an emergency Zoom call because we have Charlie, we have Josh
Hammer, we have Frank Turek, we have Rabbi Wolicki.
We have two Israeli officials that are on the Zoom call, as well as Blake Neff and Andrew
Colvett.
If Rabbi Wolicki is to be believed, he says that actually, we'll show you that in a second,
that his producers were on the phone call.
So I want you to picture that, okay?
That in, during the time that he is on this phone, that he is on this Zoom call, and Andrew
Colvett is on the Zoom call, Charlie texts him, texts Andrew.
And Andrew Colvett, allegedly, as Andrew told me, he told me this explicitly, he receives
texts and says, they're going to kill me.
Andrew says he doesn't know who he was referring to.
But if you were on a Zoom call with Israeli officials after you said that you were leaving
the pro-Israel cause, and Rabbi Wolicki confirmed, by the way, he was the only one who told the
truth.
Everyone was like, this call was just daisies.
And it was about prepping.
Rabbi Wolicki actually said, yeah, it got a little contentious.
Charlie was playing devil's advocate.
You know, Charlie was pushing back, asking us about Gaza.
If all of that is to be believed, because I said, why would Charlie just send you, they
are going to kill me?
No context.
Well, the context might have been, Andrew, in reference to the Zoom call that you were
on when this message was sent.
You're on the phone.
You say, you text to someone, it's not going well.
They're going to kill me.
That might have been the they.
If I was using my context.
If I was using my context clues, if I was in an English class and they said, who is
the they that he is referencing in this moment, it would be who he was currently on the Zoom
call with.
Here's Frank describing who was on the call.
Take a listen.
So the next day we had a meeting, a Zoom meeting with a couple of people in Israel and a couple
of other people.
And they were talking about the issue of the Israeli situation.
Bash.
his debate skills or or this is an intervention Charlie is done with the pro-Israel cause he is
pushing back on them he's always going to be polite it's Charlie whatever happened on that
call he side texting Andrew Colvette and he says they're going to kill me Andrew then later tells
me that text message but then says he doesn't know who they is he tells me about the damn flood
message and he tells me that he doesn't know who they is never once in our communications did Andrew
Colvette say that Charlie said the left and like I said you can bet that I am telling the truth
because had Charlie has said the left to both Andrew and Dan Flood that would have been the
front page headline story as they were shoving down our throats that this was about trans issues
okay this is the group that sells out everything Charlie writes anything that's in his personal
diary nice notes anything bloody mics if they could
have sold to the public that the left had done this this is I forgive him talking about trans
issues that man that man I forgive him they would have provided that message not to a chain-smoking
idiot but to what they deem to be a respectable publication to push out that narrative instead
they denied because what I said was true he did not say the left they denied they denied they
denied they denied they denied they denied they denied they denied they denied they denied they denied they did her PR blitz the stop just stop you mentioned Fort Huachuca she says stop just stop looks at the camera that backfires and she goes on on the Glenn Beck show he teased her up with a question I have his phone nope you can shut that down Kansas been lying to everything Candace told you however in the first three weeks after a gas lit and then they had to come out and admit it was true I told you about the Hamptons okay I told you about BBB
net and Yahoo's call I told you about the text message leaving the pro-israel cause which they denied until I dropped it okay they I told you about two messages that he received go back watch it the night before they denied that as well there are the ones that keep having to admit to the truth I haven't changed my story I haven't changed my story about what happened and I'm going to stick to it and like I said those messages did not
say the left so turning point USA would like to come out and clarify that those messages are real and that those messages on telegram were not edited in any way to include the little line about the left I'd like to hear it straight from your mouth because I have it on very good authority that the message was sent to Dan Flood on iMessage not on telegram and I trust nothing that you guys say because you have lied so many times and your stories are all running into each other
again it was not smart to release those messages with timestamps because now you have to explain why Charlie felt the need to send messages about his security and his fear of dying while he was on a call with Israel four o'clock in the morning Israel time to be clear in absolute nonsense anyway we're coming up against time we are going to take a break and we'll be right back all right you guys would you rather have a
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I can't get over a rabbi a priest and a pastor all people that Charlie saw the night before he died yeah that sounds like the beginning of a joke that sounds to me like panic it sounds like an intervention it sounds like Charlie was done and then we're supposed to believe that after this after sending that he thought he was going to die not expressing this to his wife he went home and
and just was so excited so excited about an event that he does for a living this is what Charlie does for a living he but this was like never before he just could not sleep was rustling woke up his daughter or Charlie was stressed out because he thought they were going to kill him again you get to decide which narrative makes more sense his daughter just woke up at three and
it's not an uber bag it looks like they went to some sort of a convenience store I gather that Charlie's throat was hurting him from the lozenge lozenges that were all littered across the SUV that he was in and that makes me think that at some point Charlie might have been shouting the night before again I'm just putting together my context clues of everything that I've seen and what I think happened I think Charlie was shouting
I think Charlie didn't sleep because as he expressed he was worried that they were going to kill him and I've got to tell you don't think they was the furry community
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road warrior mom home of the save join for just $20 at BJ's calm slash mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months open soon limited time offer new members only BJ's home of the save that's where I'm at maybe you could share some more messages Erica apparently he didn't open up to you and your cold I didn't tell you and your best friend cash Patel didn't tell you
that he had these messages that he sent the night before for you wanting your little PR blitz to lie to the public but we'll keep turning up the heat we can keep doing that I have no problem doing that anyway top comments from yesterday's episode Allie writes notice how all the normal people are sprinting because they think there is an active shooter yet Charlie's friends stand record themselves and then take
camera footage yeah I mean some people are it's fight you know some people it's flight some people it's secure the SD cards everybody knows that I learned that in health class Simon range writes so they had to lock down the hats from the thieves but the $100,000 SUVs were sitting there open and ready to drive yeah some security also it's it's
interesting that Brian Harpole's claim as he told Sean Ryan I should have pulled it from the episode was that Charlie had no fears night before but now turning point USA is disputing that they're they're now saying that he did have fears and communicated them to his security team that registers to me as incompetence you're suing me for saying that the security team is incompetent well why wasn't that expressed to everybody on the team that he said I don't want anyone allegedly to leave my side
and then the person on him goes upstairs with his assistant
assistant registers to me as a security failure, as incompetence. So I'm going to stand by my
opinion that the security team was incompetent. It's weird that they didn't even put him on the
ground after he got hit. Did you know that? They put him onto the giant travel kits, like the
travel suitcase for the AV stuff. Charlie, when he goes down, his body is never laid on the ground.
It is laid on top of one of those suitcases that tech people carry all their material in. Weird.
That seems incompetent to me. You lay somebody flat. You don't put them on a
travel suitcase for tech. Anyway, I can tell you guys that we have,
just getting into some stuff that we are releasing, you know that we've been working
with the Vulnerable People Project. They have a new documentary, and we have it up on our website.
It is called Inside the Vatican's Secret Deal with China. And in 2018, the Vatican entered
a secretive deal with the Chinese Communist Party. The idea was to make things better for
the Chinese Christians that the CPP was oppressing. But since then, it's only gotten worse. Bishops are
disappearing in China. Priests are forced to submit to an officially atheistic government.
Worst of all, Beijing is appointing its own loyalist bishops.
It's ignoring the Pope's directions. This dark secret deal doesn't just compromise Catholics in
China. It binds and silences the whole church. Even Pope Leo himself has nervously refused to
comment on it when asked on camera. Pope Leo inherited this deal, of course, but Pope Leo
can end it and make sure that it's never renewed. The Vulnerable People Project covers all of this
in the newest documentary that's up on our website. Again, entitled Inside the Vatican's
Secret Deal with China. Actually, it's going to be available tomorrow at canisones.com.
We can now get to your comments from today.
Today's episode, we have Allie who writes, sorry, I read that already. That was from yesterday's
episode. From today's episode, Allie, nope, said it again. Sorry. In Pregnancy Brain, True Detective
writes, whenever I felt down on myself, I would watch reruns of To Catch a Predator. Now when I
need encouragement, I just watch 10-second clips of Frank Turek, Andrew Wilson, and Erica Kirk
and realize life could be so much worse. I could have gone the way of Judas.
Also, FaceTime, Pickle Jar, and Glitter Pants are the worst nicknames to have in prison.
That's very funny. I mean,
Andrew Wilson is just like, like I said, bottom of the barrel now. I mean, they will,
whoever is willing to lie to the public, they will team up with. And like I said,
it reflects where they are at. They are not behaving honestly. They are lying repeatedly,
especially Blake Neff. There's nobody that gets community noted faster for trying to lie to the
public about various aspects of this case, lying about who Charlie was friendships and like who
he was friends with. And like I said, you sense a desperation in Blake's and Andrew's lives now.
It's a desperation. I mean, it's insane to say Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk were not friends. That
is like an insane thing to say. And it can only be uttered out of sheer desperation to try to get
a handle on the narrative. Scotty Thrive Tribe writes, does anybody have a definitive list of
missing evidence? Example, the body cam discovering the rifle and towel, the body cam of Tyler asking
a cop a question, the surveillance of the first cop approaching the screwdriver, the necklace,
meta glasses.
Is that what we're recording? The camera behind Charlie? TPUSA text? No, I think you just created
one. That's good. We'll keep that. You know I love a list. You know I love to organize a list.
I can put it on my official timeline. Deeply upset some people. Why is it on the timeline?
Because it's mine. I like to say organized. My timeline. James the Least writes, Blakey has been
entirely truthful about one thing, that Mikey is bubbly. I don't know.
Anything that Blakey has been truthful about. But, you know, Charlie, I can tell you, I don't
believe he liked Blake, but he did like Mikey. I can tell you that for a fact. He had a relationship
with Mikey. And I think that Mikey was the most uncomfortable. And they sensed a weakness in Mikey
from the beginning. And that's why they were constantly reassuring him with all these adjectives.
I think Mikey knows more than he has communicated. And look, I know more than I've communicated.
And it's all going to come out.
It is. Joey Wright writes, hey, Candice, regarding Charlie's SUV. I remember when they pulled up
to UVU, Charlie's SUV pulled forward and got out to the right of where the SUVs were parked,
because that's where Charlie Kirk meets the Mountain Man. So maybe after Charlie Kirk got
out, someone backed the SUV in. Yes, I believe that's on camera. And it is Chris who backs the
SUV in while Charlie walks forward with Frank and other security guard members. I think he walks
forward with Blake Harreff. And Dan Flood is definitely.
with him as well. Joey Wright writes, I'm sorry, I just read that I am suffering from end of
pregnancy brain. So you guys are half the bear with me. You know, this always happens. Talks
with Tiff writes, hi, Candice, I know you get a ton of emails, but did you get my email with the
UVU documents for event planning? The documents show TPUSA rejecting EMS, asking for three parking
spots as close to the courtyard as possible. I did not get that. And if you could resend,
that would be very helpful. I will go look for that. And,
you are correct. I've expressed this before. My source was solid on the fact
that Turning Point USA insisted on being outdoor, despite them advising that there was no traffic
control, meaning that we wouldn't be able to look at people's tickets. That is now stunning,
given the text messages that Turning Point USA purports to be real.
Charlie was afraid. Let's take it at face value. Let's say he said the left to Dan Flood.
They had an outdoor event, open event, while Charlie was scared for his life. That seems weird.
No ticket control, no people behind, sitting in the audience, perhaps security. No? That's
interesting. I would say security failed him on that day. Kay Willis writes, I'm thinking Blake
Neff, Andrew, Kay, and those others are terrified, and that is why they are behaving the way they
are, because they could be next, since this information is coming out. I mean, look, I would
be terrified if I was them as well.
Because like I said, lies have an expiration date. The truth doesn't.
And they're lying. They are lying, without question. Why they are lying, we don't know.
Sarah writes, so that security crew photo is their pre-deployment photo. I think it should be
the quote, these guys failed to complete their mission successfully photo. Oh, sorry,
I meant the mission that Charlie was paying them to achieve. My bad. Yeah, that photo looks like
it's being taken on the Hall of Flags up there.
I don't know when it was taken. But you can see, obviously, that Chris is not in it. The person that
was on Charlie, so we can assume that it was earlier in the morning. Here, I don't know how
to say this last name, writes, it's like Charlie saw the walls closing in and just wanted to go
back to the good old days of being brutally honest about everything with his big sister,
Candace, by his side on tour. Rest in peace, Charlie. Yes, and that was not the only them
trying to sort of downplay the message of him saying he was leaving the program, which you
recall.
That was not the only message that Charlie sent that day. He sent the message to other people at
Turning Point USA saying that he wanted me back for AmFest, and he made that very clear to them.
It was a directive. It was not a suggestion. And like I said, they're hiding all of this stuff
because why? You tell me. Because why? You fill in the blank. Why do people lie?
Well, the answer is they're always lying because they're scared.
They're scared of the truth being revealed. What is the truth that they are scared of having
revealed? Lastly, Brooke writes, sending my love from Houston. Stay strong, stay blessed,
and keep fighting for truth. Thank you, guys. We are only at this point because of your patience,
because of your steady interest, because of you guys not letting this go, because of all of the
investigators, smaller YouTube.
Bigger YouTube channels coming together and saying that this is an evil that cannot stand.
And I just thank you guys for your support. If you would like to support us in a larger capacity,
you can join our book club tomorrow. We begin at 1 p.m. Eastern, Bearing False Witness by Rodney
Stark. So it's a perfect time to sign up on the website. Also, of course, if you want to support
us, you can buy merch on the website. It is the easiest way. Buy a hat, buy a t-shirt, buy a
Stannis cup, collect all the Stannis cups. That is always the easiest way to support us. You can also
buy my book, Making a Sandwich, which is right there. We just finished reading that, and it was
really fun to read that. I actually kind of wish that I had made the book longer because I forgot
how much fun I had writing the book and thinking about feminism, modern feminism, and the journey
that it took to get to the radicalized forms of feminism that we see today. Anyway, you guys,
thank you as always. If you're not in the book club, I won't see you tomorrow. I will see you
on Monday. If you are in the book club,
again, tomorrow. I'm sorry. I'll see you on Tuesday because Monday is Labor Day.
Sad. You only have me for three days next week. Skylar's always the one to remind me in my ear,
by the way. He's like, I have a holiday on Monday. No, it is not a Monday. I will see you guys on
Tuesday if you are not in the book club. And yeah, more sparks shall fly. I promise you guys that.
We'll see you then.
We'll see you then.
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Tammy saves money by shopping at BJ's Wholesale Club, where she gets up to 25% off grocery prices and benefits from lower gas rates, calling herself a "road warrior mom."
Investigators have identified key security personnel from a September 10th photo, including Todd Espy in the blue shirt and Claude Barnes, and note that the uniformed attire—including matching shoes—suggests intentional coordination among the team.
A security member named Christopher, who drove Charlie to the UVU event, remains unidentified despite clear footage; investigators highlight that he appears in multiple videos, changes appearance with a beard, and may have been present at the Hampton Summit, with Turning Point USA providing limited details about him.
Summary:
Tammy shares her experience of saving money and time by shopping at BJ's Wholesale Club, emphasizing its affordability and convenience for her college-bound children. The broader narrative focuses on an investigation into the security details surrounding Charlie Kirk's death, including the identification of key security members like Todd Espy and Claude Barnes. Investigators note that the security team wore coordinated outfits, suggesting deliberate planning and team cohesion.
A central figure, Christopher, the driver who accompanied Charlie to the event, remains unidentified despite multiple video appearances and a strong timeline linking him to the final hours. The inquiry into Christopher's identity is bolstered by footage showing him unlocking the trunk of the SUV and briefly fumbling with a backpack, raising questions about his actions and possible motives. " This context implies the message may have referred to the current political or diplomatic situation, not a broad leftist threat.
Turning Point USA’s refusal to release or verify the message, combined with internal contradictions and timeline inconsistencies, fuels skepticism. The team concludes that the security failure was significant—despite a coordinated response, Charlie was not properly assisted after the attack, and his body was placed on a travel suitcase rather than the ground. The investigation also highlights unverified claims involving missing evidence, such as body cam footage of weapons or surveillance, and calls for transparency.
Ultimately, the report emphasizes that inconsistencies in official narratives, combined with a lack of accountability from key figures like Blake Neff and Andrew Wilson, suggest a pattern of deception. The narrative stresses that the truth about Charlie’s final moments and the security response remains incomplete and requires further public scrutiny.
FAQs
Christopher was the security member who drove Charlie to the UVU event with Mikey McCoy and Nate Walker. His identity remains unconfirmed, though he is believed to have been hired in late 2024 and was not particularly friendly with Turning Point USA staff. He appears in photos with a beard, and his last name has not been verified. He is suspected of being involved in the events leading up to the incident.
The person in the far right in the blue shirt is identified as Todd Espy. He is known to be a member of the Turning Point USA security team and was visible in the photo with others.
The backpack fell from the vehicle and was picked up by Chrissy Pacheco, a longtime Turning Point USA employee and member of the logistics team. Her timely presence suggests a coordinated effort within the security team.
The uniformed appearance—same shoes and outfits—suggests intentional coordination and recognition among team members, similar to military or federal color-coding. This indicates a structured, organized approach to their duties on the day of the event.
The alleged message, said to have been sent to Dan Flood and Andrew Colvett, states Charlie was worried about being killed by 'they.' However, the authenticity is disputed—sources indicate it was likely sent via iMessage, not Telegram, and the message was not explicitly about the 'left.' Turning Point USA has not publicly confirmed it, and its release is seen as suspicious given their narrative choices.
The coordinated, almost choreographed movements suggest a high level of planning and awareness. The lack of confusion or misdirection indicates that the team was well-prepared and that they knew exactly where to go and what to do in the 30–45 seconds following the event.
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