Whistleblower: Americans Are Being Murdered While Trump Does Nothing and the Media Cover-up Grows

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We spent our holiday the 8 and we attended my nephews wedding, which is his cousin. And I came back to the States, I left him there. So Israeli settlers, since April of 2025, they've been basically trying to steal more lands, you know, the land thefts that they're doing. And the land thefts that they're getting away with. And since April, they've been coming to our town, it's basically across from our village. Across from our village, meaning this is too big like mountains or hills or one of them has the homes and schools and so forth. And then the other one is kind of like open field, but it's part of our village. Tucker, as you might have heard before, our village consists of 80% American citizens. Yes, and most of Ramallah area. So like my father's the one that came to the States. My grandfather came to the States in 1895 on a boat and lived in New York. My father came in the 60s. So, you know, I'm second generation. I've been here for years. 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My older brothers were born in the States and so forth. So our village, just like my father, most of the older generations, they moved to the States. So 80% of our village consists of 20,000 people, only 4,000 live there, and 15,000 live abroad, either in the States or South America and most of them are American citizens. So most of these American citizens own these lands. I own a piece of land in this land in this mountain. And these ready settlers have been going there since April 2025 and preventing us from getting into our lands. And as you know, Tucker, there's area A, B, and C, believe it or not, this land where these settlers are right now, this moment. As we speak, I can't get to my land. It's area A and area B. It's not this area C, disputed, Oslo agreement saying that it's under Israeli authority. This is under Palestinian authority. But the Palestinian authority doesn't even go there. We don't go there. So they were trying to get to their lands since April. And week after week, they were attacked and attacked and attacked. And it just, it doesn't make sense that we can get to our lands because of five or six or seven of these Israeli settlers attacking us. They're armed with M16s. They're armed with sticks with rocks and so forth. And every time someone would try to go there, they would get hurt. Or attacked. And ever since, but it's our right to be in our land. This is land that is owned by us. The land owned by American citizens, Tucker. There's many Americans all over the world that buy lands and own land in many foreign countries. So that July 11th, just like every other week, many people were trying to get into their lands. And they were prevented by these Israeli settlers. Zayfullah was one of the people that was trying to get to his lands. I have land there that's about an acre land there in area A. And there wasn't many settlers or they didn't see many settlers. It seemed that they had an ambush ready for them. When they got there, maybe 50 settlers, a mob of them, ambushed Zayfullah, ambushed his friend Muhammad, a shudda bee, attacked many other people. That day, his friend Muhammad, a shudda bee was shot in the back, a close friend of him at Palestinian. But his name is not known as much because he's not an American. Zayfullah was being to death that day. And what happened was that a first ambulance was trying to reach him. And on the way there, it was attacked by stones and had to go back. My other son, Muhammad, when he heard about this news, and I'm in the state's Tucker right now at this moment. [BLANK_AUDIO] Sorry, Tucker. >> No, it's all right. [BLANK_AUDIO] >> It's hard to imagine. >> Yeah, it's my oldest son, I was like, so I get these messages that are saying that Zayfullah is in this mountain, and Zayfullah has been hurt. Nobody's giving me direct messages, nobody's telling me exactly what's happening. Then I understand that, you know, nobody wants to tell the father what's going on. My younger son, Muhammad, he heard what happened. He crossed his mountain and he just, you know, I guess they'd drawn and pumped into him. And he wasn't afraid that there was this really settlers there. He wasn't afraid that there's really army, remember Tucker? His really army, their presence was there at that moment. And that's why we couldn't get another ambulance. So the first ambulance went back. They had to get a permit for another ambulance to enter to get to Saif Allah. And it took two and a half hours until they finally got the permit to reach Saif Allah. But my son, when he heard this, he went there. He crossed his mountain and he told me there were sellers on top, but, you know, they didn't see him. The Israeli soldiers didn't see him. He got to his brother. He reached to his brother and I was calling and calling and calling when I, you know, Saif Allah's phone and someone answered, I was kind of relieved at that moment. But, you know, it wasn't safe because Saif Allah's face was blue. He had a hard time breathing, you know, his body just couldn't take it. And what sad is my other son told me that he was still breathing and waiting for some sort of help. He was unconscious with his eyes open. And when I call them later on, you know, my son told him, my son told me that he didn't look good from the, you know, that he needed some sort of medical attention, medical help. And when he finally, when they finally approved for this ambulance to get to him after two and a half hours, they put him on the stretcher and five minutes before he got into the ambulance, my son told me that he took his last breath. Oh. It was just that matter just that time, you know, like if they allowed the ambulance, if the first ambulance got into him, you know, he would be with us right now at this moment. I would not be having this interview with you at this moment, you know, I would be with my son. I, we would be in an ice cream shop working together. The first one didn't make it. Why not allow the second one to get there sooner, like they should have been the ones knowing that Israeli illegal Israeli settlers being in land that this not there is under Oslo agreement, under international law, under Israeli law, you know, there's these big signs up there. I don't know if you've seen pictures of them that it is illegal for an Israeli to be in area A. There's these big red signs. So it's under Israeli law. It's illegal for them to be there. They attacked my son. They attacked many other people. Why are they not even sending ambulances to help, you know, to help these, these people that have been hurt? And he took his last breath at that moment and ever since then, you know, there's been no accountability. There's been no justice. There's only been more settlers going there till this day over a year. And settlers are still in those areas every time we try to go there, we get attacked. And just on the one year anniversary, I don't know if you've seen the scene in report that I did with Jeremy Diamond. I agreed with CNN that I would, you know, do a follow up with them, but like I had a condition that I needed to be safe. They provided me an armored car and they provided me bulletproof tests. So think about it to try to get to my own land. The only way that I can feel safe is if I'm in an armored car. And this is one year later since that, that, that, you know, my son was murdered. And we all know, you know what did Mike, Mike Huckabee say, when he learned about, say, for a lot of us murdered, you know, he called it a criminal and terrorist act, a criminal and terrorist act. What did the director of the FBI say I was listening to him not long ago and the thing popped up. He said, this is the exact words. If you kill an American citizen in an act of terrorism, we will hunt you down. We will bring you to justice and you will fit, you will face justice here in America. And Mike Huckabee called it a criminal and terrorist act. Imagine the sensation if you will of going to sleep feeling like you're floating and waking up rested with no soreness from a hard or stiff mattress. That is the daily experience of people who use Brooklyn bedding. We can probably guess what you're thinking, a mattress like that is super expensive. Only Bill Gates uses a mattress like that, it's probably made in Bangladesh anyway. Oh, wrong on all counts. Brooklyn bedding is an American company with a seriously impressive 650,000 square foot manufacturing facility in Arizona. 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Would they not send authorities from the US to investigate it? Why is my son different in this situation? It just doesn't make sense. I didn't get a call from Rick Scott. I didn't get a call from DeSantis. I tried to set up meetings with him and I went to DC, but don't get me wrong, there's many senators out there that are so sincere and, you know, Van Haughan is one of them and him and 27 or 28 other senators signed a letter demanding investigation and independent investigation led by the US. And so this day, you know, nothing, you know, I try to get some answers from the Israeli authority and they gave me no updates, you know, so that day when I went with Jeremy one year later, you know, I wanted to go to the place where my son was killed. I wanted to maybe give some closure, you know. I wanted to see this tree that he was under because he was under a tree, his friends put him under a tree where there was shade, it was hot that day and I wanted to reach that tree. But that day when we went with CNN, one year later, they're still there. We got attacked, the car was attacked, the journalist behind us got attacked. We were safe because we were an armored car. The footage shows that the settlers were trying to slash the tire with a knife and it was this was after reaching the area that the attack occurred. You know, I reached that area and to be honest, it was really hard on me because I started to imagine my son being in that area, being attacked and his friends being attacked and our next step was our next area, our goal to reach was the tree that he took his last breath and under and on our way there, when we were attacked, then we were chased. Then we were chased around the whole mountain until we got out safely and even after that, they came down to the village and they started attacking and so forth. It's like until when, why is there not sanctions on these people, on these terrorists? Why is there not enough international pressure stopping this? happened, you know, this is not only happened into, you know, Palestinians, this happened to, this is happening to Americans. So, you know, we're funding this. That day, they said the day that we were attacked with Jeremy, CNN, they said they apprehended four people. But what really happened, because the next day we couldn't get there, you know, it's like that it's already army being, you know, claiming that they're that great. They can't remove seven or eight settlers from this mountain, because the Palestinians can do only so much. And you know, they can't really retaliate against them. And they all have to, the only thing that they could do is just basically nothing, you know, we took it to the courts, we took it to the courts, and then tried to evict them, which makes no sense evicting them from land, that's not even theirs, or evicting them from land that they're trying to steal. And the courts order from the Israeli courts, the Israeli Supreme Court has a court order that they must be removed, that they must leave. And still nothing. No investigation from the U.S. Department of State. Israeli authorities are not removing them, and they're just saying that they're, you know, they're just a bunch of, a wild kangaroo or some sort of. And till this day, you know, I'm there. As a father, I feel I have a responsible authority for my son, for safe, that I can't give up, you know, and do what I can as an American Tucker. He, he loved being an American. I mean, like, he got his new passport one day, the new passport with the cards. He sent me a video. He said, Dad, look at the new passport. It's different. Then he, his friends sent me a video after he was killed. Then I, I seen when he, I'd never seen before until after he was killed. And he was holding this U.S. passport. And he was saying, blue is blue. It doesn't matter. This was safe direct where he said, it doesn't matter if you're a Palestinian American. It doesn't matter if you're any other. He said, blue is blue. American is an American. And this, this was, like, he believed in it so much, you know. And it kind of, you know, like, how disappointed would he be right now that his passport did nothing for him. Okay. You know, this is who saved us. Let me ask you two questions. Has anyone ever been arrested for your son's murder? They claim at the beginning, some, they were four were arrested that day. They didn't give me information on who they didn't say it. But, you know, they were released soon after. So no one's been punished for murdering your son? Nobody's been punished. Home ownership has always been at the center of the American dream. It is an actual asset. A place people work their entire lives to build, a place of stability and security and real value. 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My second question is I just want to make sure I have this clear. You're an American, you run an ice cream shop in Tampa where your son and American citizen work, but your Floridians and Rick Scott, the Republican Senator from Florida will not meet with you after your son and American citizen in Florida resident was murdered in a foreign country. Is that is that right? We've tried to do direct meetings with him. I think they wanted us to meet with their staff or so forth. I wanted a direct comment. I wanted to meet him directly. I went to DC. I met with many senators. Why not my Senator? My Floridian Senator. So I just want to say that again, Rick Scott, and his phone number for his offices on the internet encouraged everyone to look it up and give the officer call. Rick Scott, the Republican Senator from Florida will not meet with his own constituent whose son was murdered in a foreign country. You think like the USS Liberty could never happen now that American leaders would never tolerate their own people being killed by a foreign country. They'd never cover up on behalf of foreign power when Americans are murdered, but clearly it is happening again. My son has not even the only American that's been killed there. Since 2003, a dozen Americans have been killed. Even after my son, my whole thing was maybe this time will be different. Maybe something will happen. Something will be a change because there was media out there covering about safe story and it won't happen again. There'll be some sort of international pressure. No other American will be killed there. Even after my son was killed, two more Americans were killed by Israeli settlers. After my son. It just doesn't stop. My whole thing is why is the U.S. government not doing enough for three citizens when it comes to them being killed by Israelis. I don't know. Don't you think if it was any other place in the world, there would be this investigation. They'll send out their investigators and so forth to see what happened. It's been a year down the road. I just feel now it's even too late. What kind of investigation can you do after a year when. I'm going to try to keep doing my part. Indie Man just a demand accountability and hopefully this impunity that they have thinking they can do anything they want and get away with it because they are. Nobody stopped and slapped to the wrist or so forth. There's no true accountability. There's nobody going to jail. Like I said, director of the FBI said, he's claiming that you're not going to get away if you kill an American citizen, but these guys have. You can also rape children and molest children in the United States and flee to Israel and never face justice. That's happened a lot. Of course, they behave as if they have impunity because they do have impunity. That's the answer. They do have impunity. And my concubine called me up two days after and these were my exact words that I asked them. I said, should I not fear to go into my land as an American that is under my name that I purchased anytime I want? And he said, no, you should not. I don't remember one year later, I still fear going into my land. He came to my house, we sat with each other and he told me he would, he wants to get answers from the Israeli authorities and still today, no answers from them. The case is still when we asked, but with no answers, with nothing. Well, is the United States ambassador in a country that would only exist because of the United States? So, if you wanted answers, he could get answers. He's the envoy from the Trump administration, the benefactor of Israel. So it's like not that hard to get answers if you really want to, so he doesn't really want to. What hurts a lot, Tucker, is like, imagine what it feels like, like, my own tax dollars that I pay contributed to my own son's murder. Yes. You know, that hurts and it, that hurts because we all know our tax dollars go there. And my son was killed there, so do I have a part of that in reality? You know, so I can, we can pray for the best and, you know, hope that there'll be some change. You know, they'll finally put a stop to this land theft that just keeps going and going and going. And just three weeks ago, just three weeks ago, they put a new outpost in our land in the Mazanashirky land. Land is owned by most of the 80% Americans from our, from our village. And they brought their sheep, they started small, now there's a tent there. And now every day more and more sellers are going there. And now another area of our village that we can't go to, because there's a great seller there. This was just three weeks ago. So it's not stopping, it's not, it's just, it's increasing actually on and every day. I appreciate you're taking the time to tell your story and the story of your son and what happened after he was murdered in this pogrom. And I hope many people will see this. And I hope that changes the result of that. So thank you very much. Well, thank you Tucker for having me and letting me do my story and letting my, you know, sounds like a seal of one. Thank you. So if you just watched that entire interview, we were mostly exhausted by the end of it. And maybe asking yourself among many other questions, why didn't I know that this happened? Pogroms are underway, literal programs where people are being murdered, including American citizens, including a boy from an ice cream shop in Tampa. And I didn't know that even happened. Well the reason you may not have known is because the media are by and large, not covering it. There is one exception, it's a Catholic publication whose political editor you're about to meet former political editor. And his name is Stephen Harriet. Harriet describes how coverage of this story and stories like it has been shut down at a Christian publication. And of course, if it's shut down at a Christian publication, you can imagine has no shot at all at most media outlets in the United States. But without delay, here is editor Stephen Harriet. Even thanks so much for doing this, this story, what happened to you recently is, it's hard to believe at first. So if I understand just the outline of it, you were working for a Catholic news organization and you were told not to allow anything in print that might criticize, discredit the state of Israel up to and including the state of Israel's mistreatment of Christians. Is that right? It's not quite such a complete prohibition. More alarmingly, I guess, here's the thing, let me just for a little context, I work for and I'm a long time political editor for Zeal News, which is a Catholic votes news outlet. And we have in the past done a lot of coverage until very recently done a lot of coverage, arguably more than any other Catholic outlet on the mistreatment of Palestinians by Israeli forces and by the Israeli settler movement. And one of our main sources on the ground has been the organization, the Vulnerable People Project, which I know you've heard of, and I've seen mentioned on your show. And what happened is right after the Napa conference, it was conveyed to me that we were now adopting a new policy and it was to drastically reduce our coverage of Israel. Now I will say it's been presented to me in various ways. On one occasion, yeah, it was a total prohibition, no coverage of Israel until the elections. That's as a rule. And maybe with exceptions and there will be, if there are exceptions, it has to be explicitly put brought to the CEO and brought under extra scrutiny. I'm sorry to ask you to pause until which elections. I guess the upcoming midterms would be the reference. And so to me though, what was alarming on the outset was this came in the context of right after the Napa conference in California, which was attended by the U.S. Ambassador to the Vatican. Right. And what is the Napa conference? The Napa conference, the Napa Institute, it's the people present would be Catholic, influential Catholics and politics and media donors. And U.S. Ambassador to the Vatican, Brian Birch, who is the former president of Catholic vote, was there. And the current CEO of Catholic vote, end of zeal, Kelsey Reinhardt, and another executive met with him. They also met with donors, meaning the current CEO and other executives met with donors. And it was presented to me as coming from that. Like, one of the takeaways from our meeting, our meetings with donors and from our meeting with the ambassador is we have to change our editorial policy on all issues with, you know, all articles that we were publishing with regard to this one issue, Israel. But in itself, without even getting into the substance of what the policy change might be, was so alarming that I immediately went to my media supervisor and said, "I think this violates my conscience. I don't think I can abide by this." But that was only, I guess, the beginning. If you're over 35, you remember exactly where you were on 9/11, that morning, September 11, 2001, 25 years ago. And amazingly, after a quarter century, we still can't say with certainty what happened that day. Why? Because the government is holding so many of the 9/11 files 25 years later. That's not the behavior of someone who's telling the truth, that's the behavior of a government that is lying. Secrecy is a sign that someone's lying. Now former Congressman Kurt Weldon has been on this for a long time. The FBI actively tried to destroy his life for asking questions about what happened. And his new book outlines at all the buried intelligence, the bureaucratic cowardice, and yes, the cover-up spanning multiple administrations indeed generations. 9/11 changed history. So it's worth understanding what really happened, and you can get a lot closer to that and Kurt Weldon's book Abel Danger with the 9/11 Commission never told you. It's available now on Tucker Carlson Books dot com. Tucker Carlson Books dot com. May I ask you again to pause and tell us what your supervisor said when you explain your conscience won't permit you to work under these conditions? Well, my direct supervisor was very sympathetic. And there are, as you know, on this issue, there is a lot of sympathy. In fact, as I said to one of my bosses, you could cast about for sympathy for days. And if you tell people we're changing our policy on Israel stories until the elections, you'll find that sympathy in one or two retirement communities, and maybe Florida, and New York, and maybe in some boardrooms in DC. But as you've seen, I mean, people are very morally outraged by the comportment of Israel in the West Bank. And of course, in Gaza over the last three years, almost. So yeah, my direct supervisor is very sympathetic. There are plenty of people who are very sympathetic. And in fact, Tucker, I'd honestly say, and I said this to everyone before I resigned, I said, I believe that you are fundamentally in agreement with me on this. I view you not as, you know, some bad guy trying to impose something on me, but as a good person who's been manipulated. And to me, that's my main attitude toward this. And I feel bound in conscience and I even said this to executives before I resigned. I said, this is unmistakably a moral scandal. And with the involvement of the U.S. Ambassador to the Vatican, especially in light of how I've spoken our Holy Father has been, as well as his right hand man and the Holy Man, you know, Peter Patista Pizzabala, the cardinal who is the patriarch of Jerusalem, to say nothing of the clergy on the ground in the West Bank. For the U.S. Ambassador to be going to the U.S. and meeting with an executive at a media organization and saying we need to adjust our policy toward Israel and the way we cover it is inherently scandalous. And I said I will not be complicit in such a scandal and I don't appreciate being put in the position of sitting on it. And sure enough, when I reached out to your team, your response I think was as common and sensical as mine, like are you kidding me? You know, that's very alarming. There's no mistaking yet, is there? No, it's shocking. I mean, this is a Christian news organization reporting on among other things, the mistreatment of Christians in the Holy Land. And so to hear, not just that you are official, but the ambassador to the Vatican would be trying to shut that down. Yeah, I trouble believing that could be true, but you know, that's a daily experience for me. Well, to be clear, Tucker, I wasn't privy to this conversation. I didn't have a conversation with you as ambassador to the Vatican, but it was very strange to me that three executives independently confirmed that this conversation had taken place, two of them were present. And recount, yeah, as I was saying to Brian, and as he said, so to be meeting with the ambassador to the Vatican and coming out of that meeting with, and here's our new editorial policy with regard to all stories having to do with Israel. By the way, I'm Catholic votes in a sense. I'm Catholic votes, most senior editor. I'm not, you know, I'm the political editor to hear this as sort of just marching orders out of the blue and for it to be presented frankly cavalierly. Here's the other thing, you know, when I talked with the CEO, she did mention, I do quote, I do. She said, I understand that some things have been communicated in a clunky and alarming way. At one point, she even said she would have one person who communicated it to me rescind his communicating. Nonetheless, I was like, no, you don't go oops on something like this. This is very grave. And I was very frankly, it's just I'm still mystified that they would not see how serious I was, but also how grave the situation is, if that makes sense. What do you think motivated this? What kind of coverage and part of my ignorance were you all doing before this conversation? Wonderful coverage. Really, I'm very proud of it. I'm very proud of them. They really stuck their next out. We, one of our main focuses to give you a flavor of it was Tyba. And thank you, by the way, I've heard you mentioned Tyba on your on your show. It's the last all Christian town in the West Bank. And it has been subject to some of the some really nasty settler violence and menacing activity by settlers surrounding it or trying to push the local community out. This is an ancient Christian community. They descend from the first converts. I mean, these are this is the West Bank is made up of descendants of Christ's first followers. But we've done some beautiful coverage of Tyba that included exclusive comments from the residents there. That coverage included citations of those residents expressing, well, essentially alleging that you Israeli forces were complicit in or even facilitated settler violence against them and threats against them by settlers. So there's a final chapter to this. Hours after I tendered my resignation, the Zeal website published its first report on Tyba without my editorial oversight. And presumably in in keeping with the new policy that they had adopted on Israel. And in sharp contrast, all of the past reports on Tyba, there were no direct quotations from the residents. The main source it cited was an official statement from the Israeli military. And that statement gave its rationale as we are coming and declaring Tyba a closed military zone in order to protect the residents from settler violence. It flies in the face of everything we the whole perspective of the local community, including by the way, father Bashar, the local pastor, who we've quoted in our past reports. These are exclusive quotes. By the way, I got these exclusive contacts through the vulnerable people project. And a major part of the policy that troubled me the most when they said we're going to be changing our policy on Israel was zero absolutely no more citations of the vulnerable people project as a source. And I'm like, there are main source. They're a gold mine. They're a US-based Catholic apostolate. Their work has been favorably written up by the official Vatican news portal. They have contacts with everyone on the ground, including father Bashar. It's through them that I got these exclusive comments from Tyba's residents to suddenly no longer be able to cite VPP or use them as a source. And they're offering us exclusives freely. That's a major curtailment of my ability to cover what's happening to the community in the West Bank. And so anyway, in this report, no quotations of local residents. The main quotation was an Israeli press release from the military. And by the way, since then, I've been in a group chat with residents of Tyba. And they sure enough, of course, they told me. The general mood, you know, our sentiment on the ground is we are frightened of the presence of the new, the increased Israeli military presence. And we don't trust it. We're afraid that it might even lead to a worse outcome. We feel more under threat. And in addition to that, settlers are still getting through. This is supposedly a closed military zone. The Christian residents of Tyba are saying our movement is being restricted. But settlers are walking into our town, armed, and not being stopped, which presumably would be the purpose of this closed military zone, would be to check them before they get in, so. And we've seen that there's footage now of people in Tyba being confronted by settlers. And then the Bedouin community is right outside of Tyba are being directly attacked by settlers. Yesterday, as I was literally in communication with them directly while these attacks were happening. So the military zone is not working. More importantly, the residents don't even believe it was intended to, if that makes sense. Yeah, it sounds like it is working, according to its purpose. It's so disgraceful. It's so evil. Why would the United States ambassador to the Vatican abet the ethnic cleansing of Christians from the land that Jesus walked? I don't understand. I don't know how to talk right now, and I can't speculate beyond to say, like, in a way, I think that what's happening right now, we battle, as scripture says, against powers and principalities. Um, it would be simplistic and unproductive to go, okay, I found the bad guys. Right. Now, that's on my back and where none of the bad guys are. We're all good. Um, the lioness also needs to be said between an evil runs through the human heart. And I just found it runs through the hearts of everyone in my organization, right? Yeah. And hours for that matter. And hours. Right. And so the message that I feel I want to send is more like. Right now, the church in the holy end is suffering. And I want Catholics in America to be intimate with Christ, to be close to Christ, to look to Christ and not lose their, not lose sight of Christ on the cross and not lose sight of the body of Christ where it's suffering especially. Um, and not allow whatever the interests might be that would say, well, until the elections, we need to focus, you know, downplay some, you know, like, that's just not an option for us as Christians, it's not. We have to be focusing on, on, um, being in solidarity, I think especially with our co-religionists when they're under attack. As you said, in the land where Christ walked, um, the birthplace of our faith, um, what could be more important that than that, um, someone's ambitions for 20, 28, maybe some donors who are angling for something in the, it's certainly by the way, not even in the interest of the current administration, which has been outspoken increasingly outspoken, by the way against Israeli aggressions. We have Trump directly to crying Netanyahu's use of arms in Lebanon, uh, where they're, uh, their offensive is explicitly modeled after their Gaza offensive. And, um, he's specifically calling it out for high civilian casualties. We have Vice President Vance warning about domestic efforts to pressure people, um, to, to, to comply with Israel's interests. Um, and we have the Trump administration repeatedly calling them out over annexations over the settler movement explicitly. Um, so yeah, again, I, I don't, if you know what I mean, I guess I'm saying, why would this happen? Uh, because there's a devil, um, not because I found them, the bad guys, this guy's turned bad and, you know, it's something like that. It's not as simple as that. In fact, you know what I would also say is, um, I don't think that I would say that especially alarming is the fact this is all especially alarming because of how good everyone involved is. Yes. There is a powerful just outpouring of power in the direction of keeping American Christians from looking at their own church where it suffers and their own Lord and being intimate with the people in the Holy Land. It's so powerful that even the best of us, you know, again, a Catholic golden zeal, I think have done, I would say arguably they've been the best of all outlets in the U.S. in terms of coverage of this issue. And even they, someone even got to them, you see what I'm saying? Of course I do. Yeah, so to me, it's almost like it's not like, I found the bad guys and I want to go on a Tucker show and, you know, tell everyone how bad they are. My attitude is almost more like, wow, this is so bad that even the best people who are advocating ostensibly for the interests of our faith and of our Lord and of the body of Christ are feeling enough pressure that they're going to their editor and saying, shut up, you know, like we have to be real careful, you know, whatever, they, like I said, even if they weren't saying shut up and no coverage, even if they were saying we've got a new policy on this one issue, that's it, that's enough for me. I'm like, new, that's very alarming. That is such a wise perspective and I just want to thank you for it because it's bigger than the story itself and it is of a peace. And the rest of the peace is Christian persecution and it's happening in a lot of different places, most strikingly in Ukraine, where the Bolshevik in charge is banned the largest Christian denomination and not one in a thousand Americans knows that their tax dollars are supporting this. So I wonder if you see this as foreshadowing of Christian persecution in the United States? Yes, and no, I mean, yes, I shouldn't say it, no, of course, yes, in the sense of, you know, there's the symbol that convinced me and kept me tied to Christianity even when I struggled most profoundly with my faith to the point of identifying as an atheist, was the crucifix. And it was because it looks like reality. Christ identified himself, went out of his way to identify himself kind of especially with people who are not let in on the program, you know, people who are marginalized, who are not respected or represented. And then he died like one of them and he said, you have to treat them like they're me. Right now, I see definitely in our political messaging something that is more dangerous to Christians because it doesn't directly target Christians. Instead, it invagals them into complicity and attacking their innocent neighbors who are not Christian. And so it's still a betrayal of the heart of Christianity. It is not, it is a betrayal of love and of human solidarity. And it is a stumbling block to our neighbors who, to whom the gospel is meant to be good news, not a threat. So right now in our messaging, and I'm unfortunately Catholic vote has even been, I just, again, the some of the best of us are being drawn into this. You've seen the messaging about Muslims. We're living in a context where we as American taxpayers have been made complicit by our taxpayer dollars in numerous decades of numerous military unjust military actions, including against civilians throughout the Arab world. Most of the victims of which, yes, are Muslims. Many of whom are all obviously also Christians. And there's no downplaying the gravity of ISIS, the rise of radical Islam and the persecution of minority CZD Christians, et cetera, throughout the Middle East. But in the context of this, we are part of, we helped get people elected who are involved in horrifically unjust. We just, what bombed a girl's school in Iran based on like 1.0 level GPS AI systems. No apologies, it's just sort of, and that's just the latest of a long train of examples of abuses, military brutality, to say nothing of our backing of Israeli policies that have hurt people. Trump went to the kineset and gave a speech at one point in the most set of US manufacturers providing the arms that Netanyahu used in Gaza, and then he turned to Netanyahu who was present and said, and you use them well. I cried that day. It was, it twisted my guts because I was, I helped get this man elected, and this is evil. But right now, the messaging of Muslims, El Sayed, you can oppose the guy's candidacy for enumerous reasons, but he said inshallah. So he's a, that's actually code for I'm declaring war on Western civilization. I have a coworker, by the way, is 11 East Christian, Lebanese American. She used says, inshallah. It's like saying, how are you? I mean, it's so common in their language throughout the Arabic world. One person, by the way, who works for VPP is a Christian. He's a, he's an expat from Gaza, and he said, I say inshallah, like 20 times a day. Do you know what it means? Literally, do you know what the English translation from the Arabic means? God willing, roughly. Exactly, exactly, exactly. That's, God willing. And as a Christian, there's kind of no sentiment I endorse more than that. That's not a conflict with my faith. It's, it's an expression of my faith. So, yeah. And the other thing is that, you know, the messaging on the right, we can't be complicit in a man as Christians. Oh, I know. The, the, it's funny too. I mean, there's Christian community in Dearborn, Michigan. It's all about how they're going to, you know, slaughter everyone as soon as we're not looking. This is a group of, they've, they've partnered with local Christians to get, you know, LGBT extremes out of schools. Yeah, I know. Their social conservatives, their family oriented. Oh, I know. Oh, I know them. Yes. Yeah. I couldn't, and they all work to elect Trump, which is the irony. They all did. I don't, I don't know. I, you know, the support that Trump got from Arabs in the United States, Arab American voters was really, really strong, the majority. And by the way, didn't I think if I remember correctly, Jesus spent two full days in a Samaritan village, right? And I mean, you know, the Samarits were the enemies of the Jews. Of course, you know, they were going to hell. They were heretics apostates. And Jesus lingered in their village and brought them over to him. So it's like the idea that we have a moral duty to hate Muslims. No, we have a moral duty to love people. Period. Yeah, especially people when they are most directly under threat. Yeah. And I don't appreciate my friend having a crosshair put over her face because she has a Middle Eastern last name and because she says, "Inshallah." And that's wrong. It is wrong. Christians have, I'm sorry, I mean, Christ demands that we not do that. Right. So I must say, I'm really, I'm impressed by your bravery in resigning, something people almost never do. And I'm grateful that you did because it opens up your future to something else and you're clearly on a path that this will help this country. So what is your next step? My next step, if I may, is I asked Father Bashar. I said, "I'm about to do an interview." I didn't say where that's high profile and it will air soon. Would you like to say something to American Christians? I'd be honored if I could convey what your message is. Father Bashar is the pastor in Tiba. And I wanted to know his perspective on what, unfortunately, Zeal reported was a, a new policy of declaring Tiba a closed military zone so that the IDF could protect Christians and if you wouldn't mind, could I read his statement? Oh, I would be grateful if he did. Okay. This is what he texted to me. Tiba is not simply another village on the map. It is an ancient Christian community rooted in the land of Christ for centuries and today our people are facing a very serious threat to their ability to remain on their land in security, freedom, and dignity. For months, we have experienced repeated settler incursions on to private and agricultural lands, fires damaged to property, intimidation of families and workers, and attempts to establish a permanent presence around our town. Even after Tiba was declared a closed military zone, settlers have continued to enter areas around the village. This is why we believe that any new military presence or security measures must be judged by what actually happens on the ground. Are the attacks stopped? Are our homes and lands protected? Conformers and workers reach their land safely. Can our children and families live without fear? Our concern is that measures announced in the name of protecting Tiba must not end up restricting the people who are being threatened while failing to stop those responsible for the violence. Protection must mean real protection of this community, its freedom of movement, its property, and its future. To our Christmas brothers and sisters in the United States, I would say, "Please do not look at us only as Christians who need sympathy. See us as your brothers and sisters who are asking for justice, dignity, and the right to remain in the land where Christianity was born." We do not ask that you stand against anyone. We ask you to stand for human dignity, for justice, for peace, and for the protection of innocent people. Use your voices, your churches, your institutions, and your relationships with your elected representatives to ensure that the protection of Christian communities in the Holy Land is not only spoken about, but translated into concrete action. And please come and see us. Visit Taiba. Pray with us. Meet our children and families. Listen to their stories and then go home and tell others what you have witnessed. Despite everything, our message is not one of despair. We intend to remain. Our answer to fear is faith. Our answer to isolation is solidarity, and our answer to the threat of displacement is to strengthen life here, through our schools, jobs, healthcare, support for young families, and especially through giving our children a reason to believe that they have a future in their homeland. Please pray for us, but also walk with us. Help us keep hope alive in Taiba and keep the Christian presence alive in the Holy Land. With gratitude and hope for the Bashar. Stephen Harried, thank you very much. Very much for doing this interview and for explaining it so well and for your integrity in how you responded. It's definitely a model for the rest of us. I hope we see you again. Thank you, sir. That's it for us tonight. Thanks so much for watching. We'll see you next Wednesday.