Which Ethnicity Makes the Best Baby Mama? | Chad “OchoCinco”

>> What's up everybody? Welcome to Flagrid's Sports Show, Samir, Alex Media, Mark Gagnon. And today are guests. Imagine being so nice at wide receiver. Did it stop you from being the greatest DB in history? >> Whoa, I like that. >> Imagine being so nice and catching a football. You only need one eye to do it. >> Wait, what? >> Imagine being so nice that you got to kind of bribe DBs to play harder against you, because it was too fucking easy. >> Wait, who did that? >> I think our guest, Mr. Ocho Sinko. >> That's what I'm trying to say. >> Wow. >> Hey, it's honor. Thank you for having me. >> Bro, we're so grateful. Thank you, sir. >> Appreciate it. >> Thank you, pleasure. >> I know that you're on this whole soccer tip right now, but the soccer tip is not now. >> I know you just fell soccer, I know you just learned about our wish. >> Soccer is the greatest sport ever. That's the reason they called it a beautiful game in general. >> Oh, is that right? >> I hate the fact that I grew up in the States and couldn't play it as a kid growing up. >> What do you mean couldn't play it? You couldn't play it. >> I can play it. >> I'm from Liberty City. I'm from the hood. >> It's from the soccer. >> They didn't have soccer. >> No, man. >> Where were they? >> They were from the soccer. >> No soccer. >> No soccer. I live in a black neighborhood. There's soccer there. >> I know black guy Dominique. >> I mean, I didn't have the resources. Obviously, to want to reach the pinnacle of my childhood dream of being a professional athlete in something. >> So you didn't even want to play football. >> You didn't want to play why a receiver. >> I mean, you never get to do what you wanted to. >> Soccer was my love. >> You want to be a striker. >> Now what you're doing? >> Or maybe on the wing. >> Yeah, no play, play on the wing, but my grandfather saw him watching soccer one day and I told his story before. And I was running out the house. >> Yeah. >> And my grandma was like, boy, pick a choose. Eat you, stay outside. But you come inside. So I came back and I ran back in one more time. You say, you know what? >> Like my guy, damn, those such ass down. My grandfather's watching TV. And I kept hearing the name over and over. My donna. My donna. I don't know what I'm watching. But I kept hearing the name. >> Yeah. >> I sat down with him and I just see dudes kicking the ball going up and down the field. It's like, okay, the first thing you see as a kid that's normally what you gravitate for. >> Yeah. >> And that's where that love for the game came from. And Napoli's still to this day is my favorite team. >> Just because he was playing for Napoli. >> Yeah, he was doing Napoli at the time, yeah. >> Wow. For this whole football thing was just because you had to do something. >> Sorry, I had to get out of my circumstance and football was the only thing that was going to give me out. I definitely want to be an academic scholar, if that wasn't happening. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Why not? >> What was it about that? >> I did just enough just to get by just to be able to be eligible. >> How did you know how it was just enough? >> Because you understand what you need to be eligible to play. >> Right, right. >> And I had no choice. >> I could have been the ineligible one-point type. >> At Santa Monica. >> Yeah. >> At the Santa Monica, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah. >> At the Santa Monica one year. It took me three years to get out of a two-year institution. >> I could have been the ineligible at a community college. >> How did you accomplish that? >> In Santa Monica, yeah. >> It took me three years to get out of a two-year institution. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I kept telling her, my argument was, my talent is going to take me where I want to go where I want to go. >> So even as a kid, you knew that you would be making millions of dollars playing. >> I didn't know. You never know. You never know. >> But you had enough confidence. And I had the discipline to work at my craft, even at a young age. I understood that. >> Yeah. >> They were really no distractions. >> Yeah. >> They were distractions. >> Yeah. >> But nothing was getting the way of that in-go. >> Yeah. >> Nothing. I understood that. I understood that early. Was there any like, was there any concern of street shit at all? >> No. >> Yeah. >> Back then in the 80s and 90s, there's a thing called structure. >> Yeah. >> But do think about it. >> They don't have structure now. >> Bro, this is 80s and 90s, Miami. >> Like this is. >> Yeah. >> The blood and it's it. >> It's everywhere. >> The kids, my age, they've gone that route in the street, the OGs, the older people. They wouldn't even allow you to do that if you play sports. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Hold on, hold on. >> Once they see you got a little talent, they're going to keep you away. >> Because he would also know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I never had that talent. >> You need to be on court. >> He was down to another way. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Bull of the homeless. >> Yeah. >> So you're saying, because you see it sometimes in movies or whatever. >> Yeah. >> I would see the kid who's kind of nice. >> No, you stay off the streets. >> Right. >> Kind of protect him or whatever. >> But you're saying that that's real. >> That's real. >> That's real. >> You experienced that. There was dudes in the corner that was like, hey, leave him alone. >> Not really the corner. You already know. We all grew up in the neighborhood. >> Right. >> Everybody knows everybody. >> Obviously, you know who's good at what? >> I was one of the football players and they would never even. Even if I try. You know, when you're young, you want to fit in. >> Of course. >> Or I want to be cool. >> So what happened to you? >> What happened to you? >> I got to go. >> They kicked you out. >> You got to go. And those individuals are still here. >> No way. >> Or they've done their time, you know, 20 years, 17, 32. Yeah, they're out now. >> And is there like an unsaid thing where if it does work out for you, like, you know, you look out for the neighborhood. You look out for the community. >> I have to because they were the big boys. >> So they don't even want any payback? >> They were the big boys. >> I still don't understand. >> They don't need anything. >> Oh, thank you out there. >> They're the big boys. >> We're talking about my life. >> This is where. >> Oh, this is where it was flooded. >> This is not, no, yeah, yeah. >> Are you grateful for them? >> Are you grateful that they kept you out of it? >> Yeah, in a sense. >> Yeah. >> Because I wouldn't listen to my grandma or my grandfather at the time. >> Right. >> You know, once you leave that porch, you kind of try to figure yourself out. >> I feel like you're so competitive, though. There would be a party that's like, no, I could sell drugs. >> I could sell drugs. >> You know what? I'm too fucking friendly to do that. You think about it, Lee. >> In order to raise the height of power in anything, especially organized crime. >> Yeah. >> You don't have to be ruthless. >> Yeah. >> But you fucking love everybody. >> But you are ruthless. >> You are ruthless. >> No, I'm ruthless on a green grass. >> Yeah. >> That's a different kind of ruthless. >> Yeah. >> And the parameters of a game. >> I can't, I can't step on a roach. Like that makes me feel bad. >> Interesting. So like socially, I always saw you obviously as this incredibly charismatic dude. >> Yeah. >> But like, you can flip a switch on the field. >> Yeah. >> Oh, completely. Completely. And be an animal. >> But in a green person of people, people in person always say you're nothing like the media perceived you to be. >> I don't think that's true. The media perceived you to be funny. >> No, no, no. >> They hate it. >> You were Stone Cold, bro. >> Yeah. >> You were the Stone Cold at NFL. It was you were an anti-hero. You're not supposed to be the hero. >> Yeah. >> But then we ended up liking it anyway. >> Yeah. >> But see the NFL in general. The people that wear the suits and the ties. >> Oh, they don't hide. >> Oh, they hate it. >> They hated it. >> But do they hate it? >> If it's generating so much buzz and I understood that. >> They didn't understand the entertainment value. >> There was almost like AI a little bit. Like AI would get fired all the time. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> But he was loved. Everybody loved them. >> AI wasn't doing it for entertainment purposes. He was like, this is how I dress. >> Got it. >> You knew what it was generating. >> It was mine was purely entertainment purposes. If you pay $40 for a ticket, you get $40 worth of entertainment. Whether I'm playing home or wait. I didn't care. >> No, no, no. >> But in your head, you're going into a game. >> Yeah. >> In your head, first it's we have to win. >> Yes. >> Team first always. >> Always. >> But after I score touchdown, some crazy shit. >> Something coming. And I never celebrate. I never celebrate if we're losing or if you're down. >> Only if it's the tie-a-game or we're going up. >> Is there a celebration that you had planned? >> Yes. >> Nobody knows about that would have been crazy. >> I think you can show it. >> One of my favorites. We were playing Kansas City. I think this might have been a 2005 season. Remember the easy button from the Stables commercial. >> Yeah. >> And when you press it, it says that was easy. I put the two easy buttons in the North and South in zone under the goalposts. We were playing the Kansas City Chiefs. In fact, a pancertain senior. >> Okay. >> We're on the team at that time. >> Right. >> And I was hoping to score. The game was meaningless because we already made it into the playoffs. >> Yeah. >> And I was hoping to score that game and pull that button out and run the car. And then have cars and hit it. >> Yeah. >> I think that would have been fun. >> That never happened. >> No, because I hadn't scored that game. >> At the end of the game, you got to go back to both goals. >> No, I think the crew or whoever the field, they probably got it. >> All right. >> If they find it, they're like, "Ocho is here." >> Yeah. >> I think that was going to be one. Outside of that, everything else I was able to do. I did everything. >> Doesn't bug you a little bit. The NFL finds you. And then five, ten years later, they're posting YouTube videos being like, "Ocho, Cinco, crazy." >> No. >> Not at all. >> They're monetizing the thing that they find. >> They find you. Another making money on you. The fun thing about it is, is I was good to the NFL. >> Right? >> Even though, listen, no, I was good to the NFL and understood what I was doing. And I think they understood what I was doing back then. And even now today, they're paying me back where I made that money that they took for me ten times over. >> By you being a media personality? >> I never burned any bridges. There's certain individuals that are in positions of power that are pushing green lights for me to still do things I'd like to do because they appreciate you as an ambassador to the game. >> And I've always been good to the game. And I don't want to say it. You get what I'm trying to say. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> They're guys. They're certain people of power that are making sure this motherfucker was good to us. Even though he was like that bad kid in high school that was in the principal's office, we're going to make sure he's okay. >> It's like how the Joker needs Batman. >> You know what I mean? >> I like that. >> You kind of need the villain. You need some of the riled up. >> Yeah. >> And then they have to be the teacher and be like, no, no, no, you shouldn't do that. But at the same time, they're like winking at you. >> That's a good one. That's a good one. >> Yeah. >> And it was never bad. It was all entertainment value, and I saw a big one. - And you were good. If you're not good, it's a no, like, that's the thing, yeah. - Wait, man, in fact, you know how good you have to be to change your last name to a number that's filled incorrectly. (laughing) You know, I don't know, it was fun. - Hey, Dave, you think there was a DB that could hold you? - In my prime. - Your prime prime. - My prime, no, absolutely not. - When you went across the middle, and then I got hit by Ray Lewis, what? - I almost fucked him up. (laughing) - I think I tripped over my shoestring. - Yeah. - And when I tripped over my shoestring, I tripped over my shoestring, and it caused me to lose my trajectory. - I know, I know that, so. - And you gotta understand physics, low-man wins, right? So if I could have got to thunder him, then he would've been on his ass, bro. - Bingo, yeah. - Bingo, and that's what happened. I lost my balance, raised my dude, man. raised my dude, it's okay. - Oh, man, he got his, could you make that up too, you a win? - See my shoestring, can you see it's untied? - Let's try. - Right there. - Wait, wait, keep going, keep going, when he goes to the sidelines, isn't he? - Damn, bro, you're down for a minute. - I think it is. - I thought I was gonna win, 'cause he didn't see me coming. - Well, that didn't do you well. - I tried to hit Ray when he wasn't looking. Hey, I thought I got a good shot, but I failed. Something ain't right. - Yeah. - When that play, when Rudy's coming, I try to blind side Ray. He ran me over. (laughing) - That is classic. And the funny thing, that just happened to be Monday, a Thursday night, and I was mic'd up. But we played the Raven twice a year for a dick a straight, and I lost every time. - Well, you never been Ray? - No, I lost to him every time like that. No, I mean, trying to, trying to, trying to, try to better blind, or him hitting me, I lost every single time, but I kept coming back. I kept coming back, I kept trying every time. I didn't care. He didn't knock my helmet off, he went flying. I jumped up one pretending I wanted to fight. - Yeah, I just, you know what I mean. - No, I also love that line. - Yeah, someone's right. - Someone's wrong. - I'm thinking, if someone's not looking at me. (laughing) - It was somebody else, but they see it, yeah. - You ain't really glad to talk. - We didn't be able to put it on his ass. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I don't know. - Yeah, Ray's maybe different. - Yeah, Ray and I were really cool. So funny, Ray and I, we always say the prayer before every game. We didn't have to, we didn't have to be playing each other. We got on that phone, we said that prayer. He had to tell me what scripture to go to. And we do that. And the funny thing would kind of piss me off a little bit. How the fuck we prayed before the game, and then you try to annihilate me in the game. (laughing) - What are we doing? So we had a great friendship, great relationship, and we're still friends with this thing. - Yeah, yeah. - Was anybody who hit you that like, you still don't like 'em? - We're a felt personal. - Right. - But they were trying to like change your life. - No, because I knew they were gonna try to change my life anyway, based on the antics and the behavior. I displayed through the media and trying to antagonize my opponents. - You were telling me, you thought that that gave you an advantage. - It did. I like to play mental gymnastics. - Okay. - I like to play mind games. I can mind fuck you and have you angry in the game and throw you off just a little bit. I think the game of football in the highest level is 90% mental, 10% physical. If I could beat you mentally, I'm not worried about how good you are physically, 'cause I got you. If I could play a game, I'd get you to talk back. - You know it's over. - I got you. - I love it until the guy's going to line. - Wait, wait, wait, wait. - Please, please, please. - What do you mean? - What do you mean? - What do you mean? - What do you mean? - I mean, I love bumping run. Every receiver has their strengths. - Yeah. - No. Some people are good at when it players off. For my strength was having a deep in the back, literally in my face, because I knew you wouldn't be able to touch me. - Why? - Because my quickness. - Oh, okay. So it wasn't confidence in your strength. It was confidence in your ability. - No. - One, two, one. (laughing) - No strength. - No strength. Just my ladder movement, my quickness. - So you had footwork, and ability, and if you got on his hip, then it was okay. - If I got on your hip, it's you done. And the funny thing, if I get on your hip, I could be running full speed and stop on a dime. So technically you're in no man's land. - Right, right, right. - You're in no man's land. - Okay, you know how that, like every wide receiver in the league is always open? - You're like, you got to have that ego. - I was literally always open. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - You literally, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I promise. - Okay, is there ever a quarterback do you think like manage the ego of a wide receiver well? - I think all of them, you have to be able to do that though. - Because you're going to go up to him every single time it's four now, or three now or whatever. And then-- - I don't bother the quarterback ever. - Never. - Ever, because he has enough shit on his plate as it is. - Oh. - And that-- - I understood that. - I understood that. - So who do you bother? - The officer coordinator. - You still don't bother the problem. - I get on the phone. And the first thing he does, you know, you get on the phone. He's like, "Oh, Joe, what do you see? I see I'm open." - What the fuck are you doing? - I see, I see. - He's got a bow as my dummy goes off as a coordinator, goes, "Hey, can you tell someone to-- - Throw me the fucking bow. - Yeah! - Where are we going? The shows, this fall, back in the lab, getting the out, ready? Thank you guys for selling out all the shows. We do have tickets available for Alabama, Birmingham, Alabama. And I will be there the sixth and seventh of November. So go check those out, all the other cities, man. Thank you guys so much for selling out those shows. I really appreciate you. TheAndreShows.com for tickets. See you guys soon. - Also, great news. I'm going to be on the road as well, not only doing some shows, but shortsie, but I'll be headlining my own shows in Pasadena. It might drop in San Diego, California, and then, of course, Detroit and Salt Lake City in the new year. I would love for you guys to come on out. Thank you so much, Alex. - The scariest thing is Halloween might be the front row. October 29th, cancel comedy takes over Chelsea Table and Stage. We have a happy hour at five, the comedy show at seven, and the after party at nine. One ticket gets you access to everything. Free sale is live now. Bring your costumes. - It's really not ego, but you're paying me a certain amount of money. You're paying me a lot of money to play a child's game. - No, at least letting me earn my fucks it is. - Was that every point where they looked at you like, you think you're open because you're blind in one eye? - No, you can't only see the ball when it's right in front of you. - You know, a lot of people don't know that. This is the craziest. I didn't know that until I saw you today. - Yeah, so since '94, you cannot see out of your right eye. - I can't see at my right eye. I woke up one morning, my grandma kept me home from school. I thought it was a pink eye. - From what? - From what? - I don't know. - I was still a version at the time. - Yeah, but eating that is instilled. I just thought that's a 20. (all laughing) - No, but I thought it was a pink eye. Obviously woke up. You know, when you have pink eyes, it's shut. We go to the doctor. They give me medication, whatever it may be. And two, three weeks later, my eyes still red. And then I can't see. If you ever been to the beach and try to look on the saltwater, that's what it looked like. That was my vision, blurry. I have surgery, I come out of surgery. And I take the patch off my eye and my eyes is lazy. Like it's stuck, I'm like, "Oh, well, what are we doing?" I'm in high school. So obviously, you know, people are making fun of me. Lazy eye, caca, little skinny, biggie, smalls. You know, I'm gonna begin, I'm just gonna do everything. Do you see out of the though? - No, I couldn't see still. - So you have to think since '94, I've always had this issue where it's been blurry. And now that I can look at you and now it's not lazy, I can look at you and it's not lazy at times. If I steer the object too long, it'll roll a little bit. - Oh, wow. - And so that's why you notice, if I'm on nightcap, I always have my shades. - That's right. - Or if I'm doing anything, I always have my shades. Because at some point, it will roll and then here go the fucking memes. (laughing) Like I gotta deal with that. But it's hard to see, it's hard to notice. But if I tell you, you know, you probably, some people like, they sit there and stare at it and nothing happens. - Yeah, I would just like, if I'm just, they is off, not focused on anything, then it happens. - So you're not seeing a football? Because you need two eyes, right now? - Yeah. - You just a silhouette. - Yeah. - All of you is a silhouette. - Yeah. - I can't see the cameras, I can't see anything. And that's why I told you earlier, if you watch my highlights again of some of my catches, you'll see if the ball is on this side and I'm running this way, I'll let the ball cross my face. So I can catch it with this eye. Because I don't have the depth perception to be able to catch it, you know. Let me see. - Wow. - Deep balls, if you know the deep balls sometime, everybody catching them out here, I always cradle. If you look at every deep ball, it's always cradled inside first. 'Cause after waiting till it gets all the way down for me to catch it in flight. - That is crazy. If I'm running like a curl or dig route, most times they catch the ball. - Well, I'm cutting hands out here. You notice most of my balls are caught right here in front. Like I have to let it get up on me. - But now did your opponents notice? Like, did anybody in the league know? - No, no, no, no. - What about your players? - No, nobody knew. - Oh, no one knew. - Wow. - Yo. - 'Cause that got out, that would have. - And I always catch the ball late. Always catch the late. Always. - But isn't that kind of an advantage a little bit 'cause then you said this advantage? - Well, I would say an advantage because then the DB isn't predicting you going up for a ball. So if you're delaying, delaying or funny is, I delayed anyway 'cause that's more of a skill setting itself. - Yeah. - Always being relaxed. - Yeah. - 'Cause now they're playing your energy. They're not playing the ball. - Bingo. - Yeah. - And I just, just laid hands. So that's a good point. - Yeah. but even if you do have two eyes, that's a skill that's just pulled to have. And being, being relaxed in that moment when the ball is coming, not giving any damn indication. - All right, so you told me it took you six years to run the locker room. - Well, not not running, I mean, just music. I just care about the music. - Okay, by the thing. - Because Lyman, they'll fuck me up. - They would, that, that's the thing. - They messed me up, but whoever gets seniority rules. - Seniority rules. But whoever gets to the surround sound system first, gets to play the music, like. - And you live in the arena. - So, the first two years, I have no pool back then. - Yeah, okay. - The first two years, yes. But by the time I got the year six, coming off, you know, two probals already, you know. Got a listen, you already got a little pool. In game day, after doing all that trash talking through the media, I loved it here, Sinatra. If it wasn't Sinatra, it could be blues. It could be classical, but it needed to be music that had me in a calm state of mind. Got it. - Everybody else? Rar, rar, rar. No, no, no, no, no, I can't. I can't rar, rar, because my position doesn't require me to do rar, rar, stuff. - That's defense. - That's defense. - What about team first? - Being first. - You're right. - The team need a score. - You're right, you're right. But there's no I and team, but there is me. (laughing) Did anyone check you when your plane's in Austria? Did anyone come in to be like, you know, turn the shut off? - We don't hit it. Yeah, the lineman. - I don't think anyone hit that. Get some earphones. (laughing) - What about earphones? - All right, is there a white boy fun in the locker room? Do you know what white boy fun is? - White boy fun is crazy. Justin Smith. - Okay. - Justin Smith, he was that number one pick. He would be, you would be white boy fun. I think-- - What are white boy funs to you? - Getting wasted. - What about like, tucking your dick between your legs, pretend you got a vagina and showing everybody-- - Yeah, that's, that's them. - Oh, this guy knows all about white boy fun. - Yeah, that's Justin. - Oh yeah. - Cowboy A. - Oh yeah. - He's like what I know is about white boy fun. - He's like a, he's like a, he's like a scatter boat, but on D-Fits. - Well, yeah. - Yeah, all right. - He was like, he just saw you in the shower the first time. - Yeah. - Justin, Justin was funny, man. Very, very funny dude, man. - Was there like a rule against the white boy fun? Because now white boy fun is popular. - We don't have rules. - There's no rules. - Oh, I don't know. - There are no rules. - There's certain things you don't do, you know? - Yeah. - But we're not certain. You guys are doing the gay jokes and then you sit in the locker room and you're saying the black dudes are totally cool with it. They're like, yeah, this is hilarious. And they're like, what the fuck is wrong with these guys? - We don't hear too many gay jokes though. - Really? - Yeah, I mean, from what I can remember. No. - Mm-hmm. - Not in that setting. - It's usually majority rules. - That's a good one. - But not like a little beast joke here and there. - Yeah, a little, a little beast lighting. - No. - Well, I got one. Knock knock. - Who's there? - Dees. - No. - No, I'm not going to say it's a different joke. It's different than the way I do it. - Yeah. - Dees too. - Oh Joe. - Dees nuts. (all laughing) - Can we edit that? - Can we, that's not fair. - He lied. - He lied. - He lied. - He can lie. - He can lie. - He lied. - He lied. - He lied. - That's not funny. - No, that's not funny. - Dude. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Come on. - Oh, dude. - That's my man, man. You can't do that anymore. Dude, I got him with the same thing when we were at the Imagine Dragons. - Yeah. - Did you ever see it? - No. - Imagine Dragons. - Yeah, Imagine Dragons. He's nuts. (all laughing) - It's funny. - How do you get those? (all laughing) - How do you pay? - I'm still a man. - Oh, man. - I never heard that. - I'm funny for days. - Dude. - This is Imagine Dragons. - Imagine Dragons, he's nuts. - I'm using that. (all laughing) - Yeah. - I'm a feeling we're gonna do about five more. (all laughing) - I never heard that word. - That's a good word. - Come on, man. - Ugh. - The next night, Cap's gonna be awesome. - Hey. - We gotta stay. - Come on. - How do I mean into that? - All right, see you today. - I gotta get on. - Yeah, it was nothing like. You saved it like, yeah, that was good, but that wasn't like Imagine Dragons. And they'll be like, Imagine Dragons. - Yeah. - What's that? - Imagine Dragons. (all laughing) - I love it. - It is a band. - Imagine Dragons is a band. - Oh, it is? - Yeah. - It's gonna be like, give me the band. You'd be like, no, I'm not the band. I know they will, and then boom. - I got it. - I got it. - Yeah. - I'm like, I got some banger. I'm trying to think what's the other way. - Oh, we got it. - We got it. - We got it. - We're not around these guys. - We got it. - Any time they say something, I gotta hesitate. - I gotta take part. - I gotta chill with a little bit. - Yeah, okay, okay. - Got you. - Well, he was funny in the locker room, like, what kind of antics will go on? - Coltub, rookies, the hazing. - Yeah, what is it? - Cutting the hair. - What is the hazing with rookies? - And is it soft now, like, does the lead clamp down? Or they still get to? - No, I don't know. I think they probably still do it. The rookie dinners, you know? - I heard about the rookies. - Taking all the receivers out, taking all the linemen, and then running up the tab, 30, you know, 20 grand, and as a rookie, well, some rookies, some habits, some don't. So what do they do if they don't have it? - Got it, you got to pay it. - Yeah, you got to pay it. I think maybe the vets might help sometimes, but I mean, it's, so you know, it's unwritten rule, though. It's always been that way. But when it was my turn to do it, I didn't do it. - Wait, hold on. - Yeah, I didn't do it to the receivers. - No. - No, just to receive. - Oh, yeah, they did to me. - And you were a frugal man. - I'm cheap as fuck. - Oh, shit, I cursed. Sorry. - No, we cursed. - We cursed something like that. - We just said, imagine dragging these nuts on your mouth. - Oh, my bad. - You cursed as much as you want. - I'm cursing, I just got baptized. - Oh, did you? - Again. - Yeah. - Congratulations, man. - Yeah, I appreciate it. - Yeah, but the last one was wearing off. - So you got to wear this. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You need to refresh yourself sometimes, bro. - You need to refresh yourself. - You need to re-up sometimes. - Yeah. - That's important. - Is that how it works? - Yeah. - I could just get baptized, and I'm straight. I could start over. - Yeah, I mean, you got to. - Yeah. - You get to start over every time you confess, man. - Yeah, I mean, every time you just talk to God, you know. - Yeah. - That's easy. I'm gonna try it as well. - Yeah. - It works. - But you got to believe it, bro. - 22,000. - Yeah. - That's what they made you spend? - No. We went to steakhouse, income to, income to 22. It came to mind with, I think, maybe 19, and this is all the way back then. - Just 19,000. - 19,000. - It's probably like 3040 now. - Oh, yeah. - Big time. - Yeah, the champagne, I don't even drink, so I don't know what they're drinking. - Yeah. - It was cool. And I understood it. I wouldn't trip. But you know what? - You know what's about to happen the whole time? - Yeah, yeah. I mean, coming in as a rookie, you know. - You know what I'm talking about. - It's always been part of the NFL. - It's part of the culture in general. - All right. - But I thought about it. You know what? - Yeah. - You doing this now, and I'm the one here to take your job anyway. - Ooh. - Ooh. - Ooh. - Ooh. - Yeah. - That's the way I thought. - And did you take it? - And you feel good about it? - I was okay. (laughing) - I was okay. Now, everybody knows you for the frugal and stuff and you're like, "I'll have to wear the fake Jewel. I'm not spending. I'm saving money." - Oh, and I was playing. Oh, I wouldn't buy a shit reel. - But the girls don't know when you're playing. - They never know. So what happens? Because I've heard these stories. I don't know if this is actually real. But like, a girl is, there might be a girl. It's into you because of your looks and your charm and personality. - Yeah, right. - Okay. - All right. So we know what it is, right? So like, they're hunting. - Yeah. - They're all hunting. - They're hunting. - Always. - Always. - Sometimes we play into it. - And you play into it. - Yeah. - Like, are they showing up to hotel rooms? This is the room where we. - That I haven't seen. - Okay. - I think maybe, maybe with the NBA dudes, they do the whole show up to the hotel room. - Okay, okay. - Because that's a lick. You know, getting a dude and him knocking you up in a million dollars for a track. - What? - Game on. - It's about changing your life. - Yeah. - That's different. In the NFL players. He'll get you, he'll get you fucking Chanel purse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's it, you know. - That's temporary. - Yeah. - That's not, no, that's not a long term. - Yeah. - Oh, I'm sick. - Absolutely not. - Yeah. - Wow. - Okay, so. - I mean, sometimes the players are making money from it. Like, that guy for the 49ers. - That was dope. Listen. - Yeah. - Tell us about that. - What do you care about that? - Karisha. - Yeah. - Karisha, young Miami. - Yeah. - Yeah. - You had a song. - Yeah. - In the words are. - So we get one, and he goes to jail. (laughter) - Karisha. - He's double-stated. - Are you saying about it? - Yeah. - You were voted. - What is the powerful thing? - Yes, it is. - Something is the powerful thing. - Yes, it is. - And we get Dejan Love showing us how to scam. - Free Dejan. - Now, can you be, let's be honest here. Because when this scam hit, everybody act like this was like a novel thing. The amount of friends I had pretending to be in the NFL. - Yeah. - It's easy to do, you know that, right? - It's easy because you got to help them on. - You know what you guys look like. - Yeah, if everyone's not visible, you know. - Yeah. - Or they don't have the exposure like a Tom Brady or a Pete Manning who are out there helmets enough to know. - Yeah. - But smart women, real hunters? - Real hunters. - They know. - The real hunters. - I mean, the real hunters know. There's no reason when I think about this. Where I talk about being cheap when I play not buying real watches. Because what time is it real quick? - 12.30. - 12.30. That shouldn't cost me anything. So I'm aware of $80,000 of fucking Rolex. - Yeah. - Making someone else rich because the name that's on the watch. Fuck you. - Yeah. - Anyway. Chains, earrings, everything was clear, right? - Yeah. - So the women during the time when I was playing, they've already Googled how much I make. So what am I doing? Why am I in the club? - I'm trying to show you how rich I am. - When my contact is bottling information. - I always, I think about this, right? And I think about how financially conscious I am when it comes to spending money. If I have a hundred bucks and there's a woman that I want and I like, what do I have to do to get to her? That hundred bucks becomes what, 50? So you just chop everything in half. So if we thought more about what are we getting in return? What's the ROI there? (laughing) What's the fucking ROI? - Yeah, that was our ROI, there we go. - Where is it? - I'm just asking. - Yeah, I'm not. - No, that's it. - That's it. - So I implore all men, no matter how fine she is. - Yeah. - Get a visual, because we're all visual creatures. - Yeah. - Get some lotion. - How much is lotion? - Lotion is nice. - Lotion almost. - Sometimes three, nine and nine. - Matter of fact, nine. - Just get the travel size. - Yeah. - To you that much. - No one ever finished the whole lotion, buddy. - That never, yeah. - Think about posting the clarity. How many times do you stubble somebody? - Yeah. - And after this over? - They got a dick. - What am I doing? - He's holding it. - What am I doing? - What am I doing? - What am I doing? - What am I doing? - Damn, but it's clear to me now. - Yeah. - What's it clear there? - It's clear to me now. Now there's a whole dick. - The ball in his growth. - Shit. - Shit happens. - But that was it. - It happens, it happens to all of us. I'm sure, at some point. - Yeah. - You fight, you go through all the stuff. You know, the whole, what do they call it? - Oh, court me, court me. You're court me. Take me to the down. Take me to know you. - Well, you're an NFL player. Are they still making you court me? - I court shit. - I know you're taking the McDonalds. - This is one of McDonald's. - Drive through. If you make a face through, you don't need to do it. - No, it's not for you to call it. - Yeah, you can't go inside. - It's great. - And McDonald's need was someone that I just met. That's very intimate. - Yeah. - That's intimate. - No, we're not doing that in this room. - And you can't really gotta get there first. - Yeah, we can't go inside the McDonalds. - High spiced, you just got attacked and shit. - Dangerous. - That's just so serious. - But early on, you get into the league. Are the OGs in the league sitting you down? 'Cause now they do this. Now they have teams, they have personnel that basically goes, hey, girls are gonna come after you and try to do that. - What, do they have that? - The rookie symposium. - They did have that. - Yeah. - The NFL has it for every rookie. We are all the rookie and go to the NFL symposium. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Talk about money, talk about the women. - But how do they say it? How are they like, yo? - It is presented in a very professional manner, but what are they really appropriate? - There's some gold diggers out there, and they're gonna try to get you out. - Yeah, they don't talk like that. They need to do it like that, but they say it as if they're campaigning to us. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I don't, don't, you know, can you talk to me? - I wish the NFL used me to talk about financial literacy. - I wish they would, but I don't think players would listen anyway, because everyone is caught up in the image. And today's society, today's air is all about how you look, and I try to tell players today, especially those that are good and famous, and women know who they are, you don't have to do that. - You don't need to drive a Honda. - And you can be walking, because because it's you, they're going regardless. - Yeah. - Now, there are some players that have to do it. I have to wear the jewelry, I have to ride the fancy car in order to get the attention. I want from the women that I want to date, and I want to date. You have to. - But you can leave the car. You can get the jewelry. - Yeah. - All right, so tell us about how they're hunting, are there real operators, like some of these girls? - Yeah. - And are you aware of it as a young age, or your friends, or other players know, and they get caught up in it, and you're trying to tell them, like, yo, dude, you got to cheese. - I think when you're young and you're playing, you don't care, because it's coming in. And now that you have money, you know you have access to something you've never had access to before. - So you're saying they weren't getting girls before a lot of these guys? - I'm sure they were, but not that caliber. You know, the caliber. - Now these are blue checks. - These are kind of fenced girls in China, and they're really no different than the ones from college. They just cost a little bit more. - Yeah. - That's all it is. - Yeah. - Oh, she did. No, she's just more expensive than the other ones were. That's all it is. - Yeah. - The price tag changes. - Yeah. - That's it. Yeah, she looks good. Yeah, the money changes. Would you have to spin changes? That's all that come down to. - But do they also have game two, because some of these girls in order operate that high level? At the highest level, they know how to play the long game. - What does that mean? - It's a long game. - Yeah. - Pretending like you care. Huh? Women know how to fake orgasm. They can't fake a relationship. - Wow. - Wow. - Wow. - So, when you, when they bring all the rookies together, why don't they bring some of these hunters in to put them on game, like bring the girls in to just, I don't think the NFL would have the women that actually do and have them come in and talk like that. I don't think they would do that. - They trying to help them out. - They did. - They didn't do that. - Yeah. - I saw that. The college team, I get it. NFL? - Absolutely not. - They're not doing that. - They need to. - I think it's a PR risk for them to do that. - I think so, in a sense. And I just, I just think for them, that's some, that wouldn't align with what they do. They just have people that have been in a situation before and explain and let them know. - Cool. - What's the watch out for? - What's interesting about like your frugality is that it basically stops the gold digging and it's tracks unless they're willing to play a very long game for it. You're like, you're going to eat McDonald's for a while if you want to get to the gold. - Well, obviously I eat other food too. I eat so food. You know. I eat so food. I eat Cuban food. I mean, in Miami, now Bahama Breeze is closed down. - Bahama Breeze is fired. - I think Brimstone. - Brimstone. - Brimstone. Brimstone is like a Houston's, in a sense. - Oh, Hillstone. - Brim. - There's another one called Brimstone, because there's a Hillstone there too. - I think it's real. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I don't know. - Anyway, go. - I'm trying to think, what else do I eat? - I thought you was trying to catch me. - I thought he was dead. - No, no, no. No. I'm being serious right now. - That's how you set up up. - You know about it. - Yeah. - Trying to think what else. Jamaican food. That has a restaurant I love and we'll call it ducanou. Jamaican Caribbean cuisine. - You fuck on me right now. - No, ducanou. You never heard of it? No, I pro-pharmacy. You don't. No. It's called duc. - Ask him to put it up there. Ducanou. - It's called ducanou? - Yeah. D-U-K-U-N-O-O. Ducanou restaurant. In Miami. In Winwood. I guarantee you. So you know, I'm not joking. - All right. - Third. - What does it say? See? See, I thought I was lying. Yeah. What else do I like? That's it. And then obviously, my McDonald's I slowed out now. I'm fucking 58. I can't eat it five, six times a week. Like I used to. But, yeah. That's my diet. - Wow. - I'm like, oh. This is 58. - I'm in the poppy steak. - Yeah. - I've been in the poppy steak twice. - Yeah. - No, two dates, two X's. - That's serious. - Yeah. - So you married them though? - No. I don't know. I think I married them. They made it long enough to get to the poppy steak. - It's a poppy steak. - Yeah. That's a big deal for you. - The presentation at poppy steak? No. Dave Gretman, if you see this, let me know. Head chef. I'll sit in my credentials. - What do you want to cook? - Really? - What? - What do you cook? - Me? - Yeah. - My specialty? - Yeah. - Spaghetti. - Spaghetti with anything else? - You don't spoil it. - Spaghetti and meatballs. - Yeah. - Like any kind of meatballs? - What kind? - Italian meatballs. - Oh. - Oh. - Oh. - It's a big deal. - What? - What? - You were supposed to tell me. - Chef O'Jean, what makes them Italian, bro? - They're important for me. - Not? (laughing) - You have the meatballs that put it on the. - That's how you know I'm a real chef. - Yeah, that is true. - Depends on the meatballs you use. - That is true, yeah. - Wow, that's crazy. - Wow. - You know that, bro? - Yeah, that's it. - It's all about ingredients. - Yeah, put 'em in Poppy Stake of me. - Yeah, I fully agree. Bro, I was wearing Poppy Stake. - Were we all there? - Yeah, it was for like my boy. No, it was for my boy. - Did you get the tongue off? - The tongue off stake, were they open the briefcase? - Let me tell you exactly what they did. They, they're like, like, Gruntman was like, "Oh, I was like, "Yo, we're gonna go." "Is my buddy's back somewhere?" - Right. - Whenever they're like, "Daddy's like, "All right, I got you." - We go there. - We don't even order the tongue off. They're like, "Listen, we got this steak show for you." And I was like, "All right, they come in. "They do the whole to sparklers. "They're going crazy. "They open the case." - They go down. - The lights go down. The whole place is cheering. There's video cameras everywhere. They show us the steak. - Right. - And they close it and they go back. I'm assuming to cook it. - Yeah. - Not that happens. Bill comes. And we're like, "What's up with the steak?" And they're like, "Oh no, that was just the show." (laughing) - That's smart. - That's so great. No. - My voice didn't even come in. - It just put it right back to do another show later. - It was just the show. - That's smart. - That's smart. - That's smart. - That's about what Joe is a chef. That's what he would do. - That's what he would do. - That's what he might do. You bring out the show steak and then you bring out the, you know. - Hey, depending on who it is, you know, you're on a date. You really don't have it like that. But you want to impress her. The presentation is about the optics alone. - Exactly. - Catches the woman. - Wow. - They're in their aesthetics. - How the fuck? - I got two kids, man. - Okay. - That's it? - I know, bro. - It's an old world. - Yeah. - I told you. - Just two. - Okay. - You look at me like I'm gay for nothing. - Yeah. - Honestly, two is unsimilarized. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Like it's here here. - Yeah. - Follow. - It's like you don't sound like you're a quitter. - You don't know how hard it worked for two. - You don't know how hard it worked for two, bro. - So, listen. And it's like two is a lot exhausting. - You think so? - Brother. - So you got the pods, you're traveling on something, you're at the fight in Vegas. You did the nightcap right after that, you said. You immediately flew to Miami, flew up here. - Didn't nightcap last night. In that 2.30, jumping on a plane this morning. - This morning. - 6am. - Okay. - So Ann, you have, how many kids here? - I have eight kids. - And I want twins. - And you want two more. - You know why? - Why? - 'Cause I'm not a fucking quitter. (all laughing) - I'm not a quitter. - I'm gonna get back in there. - Can you just tell me how you managed this? - All right. - I started very early, 'cause my oldest was 28. - Yeah. - I started very early. So I still on a serious note, all jokes aside. Talking fatherhood here. - Yeah. - I don't know what it was like to be a father full time. My dad was never there. - Ah. - But I always told myself I'll always be able to provide for my little ones. And obviously they were extreme inspiration and motivation to keep going always. - Yeah. - Even at my highest, even at my lowest. Because I did fall at one point. I was able to climb back up. I knew I had to dust myself off and keep going because I got them. - Yeah. - So I just kept going now. I could hide everything. Again, God willing, thank you for a second chance. Many of us are not afforded for second chances, right? And I'm like, I miss so much time because of the sacrifice it takes to be as good as I was at what I do or what I did. - Yup. - Yup. - I still don't know what it is like to be a father full time. I know it's like to provide financially. Oh, that's the easy part. But I never got the experience picking up from school, parenting to conference, dropping off the track practice, picking up from track practice, helping with homework, going to band practice. I don't know what that's like because six months out the year I'm on the field. Then I only have one month home. Then it's right back training. Then it's all season program. So that was my life for so long. So I miss most of what it was like. So now that all my, oh, really? Oh, my kids, the five, one, two, three, four, five are grown. I can't even get a phone call unless it's for money. (laughing) Hey, Dad, what's up? I'm just checking in. - Yeah, how much? - How much? - Right away. - Immediately. - Yeah. - But we're good. So obviously I have Chacha, I have a daughter, Chacha. She plays tennis. - Phenomenal. - How old? - 11. - Wow. - She looks like a pro, technique, everything. Boom. - Yeah. - Let's go. - She's a pretty good lady. Diva. - How old? - She played trumpet, 11. And then they have French ride, French ride four. I don't know if French ride can do. But she has, she's very old, just think of it. - What do you mean? - You have a personality. - Personality. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Like she has that spunk. - No. - You know, some of you can't teach. And you know what else I didn't do? - You really love McDonald's, bro. (laughing) - She's like, "Hurry, hurry, hurry, ride." - She was born, she's like a little yellow fry. - You know what I have to say? (laughing) - You know, real names? - No. - As they're like, "Government." - No, no, no. - You gotta see what I mean to them. - Her name is Serenity. - Serenity and I call it a French ride. - Okay, yeah, yeah. - And dude, I love it. I love kids. And I didn't do things the traditional way. The way they support one wife, pick it fence. - Yeah. - One person to have all your kids. No. You know, I have multiple mom. But I consider us all as one. - But how do you manage all of that? - Because I don't, everybody understands. - Is everybody, we're all as close as a line? - Yeah, everybody's cordial. - And is there no line? - Yeah. - We're all aligned with the same goals. - Okay. - He is first. - Got it. - But is there ever like, "Hey, this person's going to this school and I want her to go to this school." - I never had any issues ever. Small, small disagreements here and there. - Disagreements are going to have it. 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What the hell is that? There's a lot of white twins. If I want twins, I was thinking about. Can we black ten, Tamara? I don't know. Some black twins. White twins are all the time. What about the M&M kids? Remember the M&M kids? The fact kids from the movie long time ago, they were twins. They called them the M&M's. They were really big, big, big young kids. Do you remember? No. All right, never mind. Tell me. The thing about twins. Athletic. Did you go athletic? Yes. Did you play volleyball? Did you cheer? And you're going through this when you-- Yeah. This is the first day fucking question. So, yeah. All right. You're the first person to drive through a McDonald's. Yeah. And you're going-- So, did you play any sports when you were young? Yeah. Did you cheer? Are you athletic? Did you do anything? Anything athletic? So, the most important foundation, right, for a child, 98% of a child's athletic ability come from the mom. A lot of people don't know that. Oh, wow. It does. So, that's why I asked those questions. And I love to see footage. I got my dick from my mom. What? Is that, is that, like, good or bad? I mean, my dad is a bigger dick. So, man, that's fucked up. No, there's-- You know, we all get our dicks from our mom. Seriously? Genetically, yeah. It's like you get your hairline from your mom's dad, and you get your dick from your mom. I'm wondering how many-- Is that real? Is that real? Can we throw it around? Google it. Can we talk about it? Why do people have more to it? You talk about you get 98 of your athleticism for your mom. I mean, I just throw it. No, no. That's why people have-- That's why people have a lot of twins. Asians, too. I'm dating someone that's Cambodian right now. Oh. Yeah. Is that your first-- Is that your first into that world? Yes. It is. Interesting. No. Promise you. And tell me how-- It's different at all with-- It has culturally. It's been different. But it's cool. I don't know. I mean, it's just different. Yeah. It's different. I like it. And I want to pop the question. Oh. The question is, do we want to start a family together? Do we want twins? Do we want twins? Yeah. Yeah. And if she wants twins, I'll probably do FBI. What is that? I do. Oh, yeah. What is that? I do. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I do. I do. What is that? I do. You're right. That. We got to get the fans involved. We got to stress. We need a investigation. I did both of my kids with IBF. I swear to God. Well, yeah, because my sperm doesn't really swim. It's okay for my mom. Are you joking? No, okay. That's serious. Wait. How does her sperm know? Listen, so you're perfect. Yeah. How much is it? It's like, it's expensive, bro. Well, when you say expensive, you're expensive. My expensive. Like, no, you have more. You're richer than me. Let me tell you. Here's the first one. No. You play in the NFL. I know. But you also got eight babies. But I wouldn't own child support. All right. You know, so I didn't have to deal with that. No. I didn't do that. I didn't do that. Yeah. But you also got to take care of eight kids. Yeah, not really no kids aren't expensive what you choose it by is school, huh cheap Okay, let's go. Come on bring it to me camp cheap No, it is campus camp is cheap College I don't know college college college academics college ships Or athletic if they're really good at the thing that you plan for in the first place see this is foresight right here I saw I saw a guy with no vision Penal length is not inherited from one parent sides the complex mix of genes contributed by your mother and your father I lied and Statistically twins are the highest amongst black women See over what happened the last eight times But you're good. So here's the thing where I would say your frugality is gonna come into play right if you do if you do IVF to get them pregnant to get the twins FBI FBI. Sorry. Yeah Okay, if you do FBI dear pray you're gonna have to pay You have been wait can I make can I make payments? Or did he one lump sum? I think I think that they would trust you could find it to make you the finance it I think you could find it for what two three years. I said the child A guy a guy as successful as you I think that they would let you do it however you want it I think they would let you do it however you I like that. I think you could put on credit card Did you make the key pay for that? That'd be kind of smart I like your greatest gift ever you're here earn your keep and now so one tree of 18 or once you get a job at 15 Exactly start like I did it McDonald's garners the wages and you gotta pay off your existence. Okay So you got Cambodian Cambodian. Yeah, okay, we call it Cambodia, too Yeah, but you told you told the shoes from Cambodia. Oh, yeah Everybody because of the show because the night cap everybody just calls it Cambodia Cambodia. Oh, it's fucking hot This guy's a financial master. Right. This is a little. Oh, okay Fresh fried kid booty. It's weird. Yeah, she blocked me. She Want to get been dating does she know your day and yet. Yeah, it's been two years now. Oh, okay. All right. Let me see. She got a poppy steak Yeah, she been to poppy steak. Whoa is that can I ask a question that's respectful and I mean with respect is that real? Yeah, no I Wait, I gotta see where we talk about it. We talk about it. You know, I don't think they make them like that in Asia man. They hey Some some some beautiful beautiful, but yeah, she's gorgeous gorgeous, but the yeah, yeah, yeah with all the respect. I like it. I love it. Oh, who wouldn't love me? I do hey. Yeah Front the back or what? I think you got to start front. Oh, I started the back you bring the back to the front. Yeah, that's it You know we go to target. Yeah, they have exit. They have inner. Yeah, you started exit. I start to exit. You're good for the pink. I broke that's Okay, so you're gonna you got Cambodian. Yeah, right you have you have American black Yeah, mom baby, mom is yeah Everybody white no, I've never I don't think I've ever been a white woman. You've never been with a white woman. No, what's it like? A lot of opinions Wait, what do you mean a lot of opinions a lot of the way who has a lot of opinions? You know where she is the white ones Yeah, do they do they really I always see Like in college, you know the white girl they like the athletes. Yeah, but I bounced around from school to school So I was never had a college long enough to even find out and that's the problem if they like in the pros There weren't there must have been I mean Cincinnati I mean they there were but I just I was locked in at the time and by the time I was Having fun. It was always someone exported from out of sense. No in the Cincinnati as opposed to yeah, you know, I you should act shit I My no think Apparently, have you been with them have I been with an Indian girl. Yeah, I'm a married man I'm a married man. Oh, shit. You got to get married, dude. I am to whom the next one can Bodia can Bodia is getting the ring? Fuck yeah, cuz I'm like you're huh Isn't Boston. Oh, that's great fucking Patriot fan. Oh Well, I mean you spend a little time. I was there for what hot second Like a one-night stand I didn't do much good time though. Yeah, good time. I enjoy the experience, but yeah, she's a she's a Patriot fan Celtics fan She likes sports, which is cool. She plays sports grown-up. Yes, she plays soccer. Oh, that's that's where she got you Hey, the angles are intact Which is the most important foundation That ankle thing me you've been saying because it's what's important everything why if you that's the foundation hockey soccer volleyball Any sport yeah, the most important foundation to be great at any sport you have to have a good base good foundational base Your lower extremities. Yeah, stuff which are footwork interesting. Mm-hmm. It starts with the footwork no matter what you play You never have any Achilles issues. I've never been hurt in general. You know why I've never been hurt Why could I fucking eat right Good McDonald's pass by the combination Talk to me I got one more for you go. You got to try this all right Go to the gas station gas station get dollar bag ice. Okay, crush it up. All right Put it in the real solo cup. Okay, put him out and suck the toes in missionary Yeah, we got a blindfold or though. What have you tried that? No, how in missionary Legs up for your shoulders Mission and play the top a user told like like a harmonica. Yes. Yes, what is the what does that do? What's it do? Yeah? What do you mean? See white boy fun. There we go. You're almost a lost art. I don't think this generation understands the important I don't appreciate they don't You know, they don't a a a a a perfect set of feet in a perfect set of heels that actually fit in your feet aren't Fucking fun. It's embarrassing. That's that's art in itself when it's done the right way. It is a nice arch. Oh my gosh. No, it's because there's there's different elements to a foot. It's different. It's not just the toes are pretty. Yes, hold on and another another Dynamic bag gets me talks is you have a woman with a nice arch and nice feet and she knows how to walk on a fucking heel. Yeah The heel doesn't wear her. She wears the heel. She's not bending in on the heel. There's a phone apart Look, that is a lost art. This generation they not really they're not really about it. Can I ask you a question? Do you mind if the second toe is longer than the first toe? You know, I don't mind. I don't mind that that's that's really not something I this is how this is how into it. I am okay. Yeah. Oh, no, we're we're on the same. I know we're on the same page. We're on the same A second toe longer right in a heel right retracts the second toe slightly and now it looks like it's in order. He was doing double duty people don't even know that if you see a girl in heels and the first and second for the same She takes those heels off that second toe is popping out of the right. I like that. I haven't thought about that damn So like if the second toe is longer in the heel that means it's crazy long crazy long. Yeah, I might have reversed that in my head I just want to make sure I look at God been wrong about it. It's so important when we're looking at these heel pictures too Yeah, I think women need to understand they need to wear their proper heel size. Tell me so think about this From toe to the front of the heel there needs to be a half inch to allow the foot to slide forward when you walk Because I'm so glad that you're talking about this your size and a heel is not your size and array and if they go too big, then they're sliding off the front. - Oh, front. - Because you always oil up the foot. - Right? - I got it. - And so you have to oil it up. - Gotta oil it up. - Yeah. - Ladies, big toe to heel, half inch, that's all you need. - It could even be less. - Yeah. - But the second you're hovering over. - Yeah. - It's a problem, man. What'd you say? The heel is wearing you. - Yeah. - The heel is wearing you. - You have to wear the heel. - Why do you think the foot is not respected? - I don't know. A lot of guys, they're grossed out by the foot. They're not understanding. If you control the foot, you control the woman. - Talk to me. - You can't talk to me. - Talk to me. - If you control the feet, you control the woman. - Why is that? - 'Cause where is she ever going without her feet? - No way. - No way. - No way. - You're trying to control the titties. - Why are you trying to control the titties? You can't go anywhere without the feet. - What? - Men always say, you know, pimps. They say, you know, oh, you've got to control the woman's mind. - Hmm. - What? - What? - She's still got to walk, right? Control the feet. - Control the feet. - You're talking about. - Control the feet. - Control the feet. - No one ever put me up on a game before. - No, no, no, no, no. - I'm giving it to you. - Damn. - Now that's a great set of feet. - You like that right there? That's a great set of Caucasian feet right there. - You're into that. - Yeah, I like that vanilla. - That's the-- (laughing) - All right, is there anything that you won't stand for with a foot? - Chip nail polish. - So you like it to be-- - I think chip nail polish. I think having a manicure pedicure is the highest for my hygiene. To me, it lets me know women take care of herself. - There is. - Because if you have chip nail polish and chip bringing nail polish, - What else is chip? - What else is chip? - What else is chip? - I know you didn't put on deodorant. There's no way you got chip nail chip toe and you're put on deodorant. I know you didn't brush your teeth. - Something's lacking. - It is. - How many pedicures do you buy in a month? - Me. - I buy shit. - You're not for myself. - You're not funding the pedicure budget for the women in your life. - What do you mean? That's basic maintenance. You can't afford basic maintenance. You don't need to be fucking dating. Let's start there, bitch. (laughing) - You didn't mean that, you didn't mean that. (laughing) - You got angry with me. (laughing) - You can't afford basic maintenance. Like come on, come on. What are we doing? - Basic expenses, a couple hundred bucks. - But you're not paying for dinner? - No. - You're not paying for the soup or you're not paying for the date? - That's ultimate red flag. Oh, can you get me money to get my hair and nails done? That's your basic maintenance. You can't maintain your upkeep. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah. - What? - Yeah, no. - You're not asking her to catch football. - You don't have to have jobs. - I actually can't. - Yeah, I'm not putting that. (laughing) - You did choose the perfect sport, man. - Yeah, yeah, he heard the name. - He heard the name. - He heard the foot. - Perfect. - Yeah, both of your favorite sports have footed in it. (laughing) - I like that. (laughing) - Which athletes have the best feet? - Ooh, I have a theory on this, but go on. - Basketball would probably be Kyrie Irvin. - No, that's not what I'm talking about. (laughing) - You say what athletes have the best feet? - No, I'm not. - Do you say athletes? (laughing) (laughing) - Hey, bless me. - Oh, hey. - What are you saying? - I'm not that you don't know this. - Right. - And she went on my head. - I'm. (laughing) - That's the word. - From the way he goes. (laughing) - Did he worry it wrong? - Yeah, he worried it wrong. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I'm got it. - Yeah, man, like, - Hey, you got to be specific. - He, man, which athletes have the nicest feet, like which female. - Oh. - Yeah, yeah. - Kai Reurvin. - 'Cause I already got the nicest toes. - No, no. As far as women athletes go, I'm not sure because I've never had an opportunity to actually, you know, see, oh my God, this is so-and-so. I have no idea. - But like, in terms of a genre of sport, like you volleyball players are the best feet. - Beach volleyball. - Beach volleyball player is an out-of-the-sneaker. - Can't be soccer 'cause you kick a ship all day. - Like, I mean, women's basketball. - You're in a, you're in a chew just out of a game. - Yes, yes. - That's a great question. But I haven't been able to do a study on that, but I should. So I come back and tell you. - Yeah, we need to do that. - Just study your baby moms. They were all athletes. Which one got the best feet? - They all have great feet or they wouldn't even got this day. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - I'm sure he's got a selection of. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Not happening. - Have you ever had the boomerang moment where you already didn't look at the feet? - No, no. - Because I need, that's the first encounter. First encounter, if you have one shoes, I'm gonna ask. I know it's so funny, is if you are a man of culture and you're looking at your Instagram and you're not doing it. - Zoom in. - Come on. - Come on. - Ay, come on. - Ay, come on. - Ay, that's right. - Immediately. - That's crazy. - Immediately. - I think she was one of one. - This one, but this is crazy. - You know what I'm saying? - I'm not a foot person. I can wear it. - What's that even mean? - I don't even mean. - I don't check it out. - First thing I did with Cambodia. - You looked at the feet. - Feet. I don't care how fine, beautiful you are. I don't care. - We gotta go down to the feet. - Mm. - Everybody. Monkeys got hands for them. - Okay, you're right. - Dogs instead of they have paws. That right there is what makes you human. - You're right. - How could you not be into that? - How could you not be into the one thing that makes us different than every other animal? - Yeah. - Name another animal with feet. - I'm Googling Kyrie Irving's feet right now. (laughing) I'm calling you. 'Cause now you just said it so quick. - All right. - You gotta go. - It's the way you said it. - Come on. - I gotta tell Babe, we're talking about feet right now 'cause this is awesome. - Yeah, he's got a nice foot. I mean, the fact you can bring it. It's hard to find, by the way. This seems like a personal anecdote. - That might be AI. I don't know if Kyrie is working out in like Michael Jordan pants. (laughing) - No, that's a good image. - Yeah, that sounds real. - That's. - Are we calling Cambodia? - Yeah. - She has this, this is too far good for her not to know. Babe, Cambodia. - Hi. - Hey, we're having a fucking moment right now. - You hear me? We're talking about fucking feet. - Not literally. - Yes, feet. - Hey, how much does Ocho love feet? - Like a lot. If you have fucked a feet, he's not going for it. (laughing) - And did you know that almost immediately? - Yes. - You knew that, like he, can I put in here the mic? - So almost immediately, he was like, "Hey, I need to see the feet." - Yeah, he said, "Make sure your toes are always done." (laughing) - Did he ask for a picture of them up front? - No, he could see them in the pictures. (laughing) - Zoom in, zoom in, you gotta zoom in. You gotta zoom in. - Zoom in, yeah. - All right, that's fair. This is good. And do you find it like men that can appreciate feet are more sophisticated and elegant and all the other great things that we are? - I think so. - Yeah, and you know what else? What? I didn't even let her hit it on the first night. He didn't, he edged you? - No, he didn't, he actually crawled on the side of the bed on top of the blanket, shirt tucked in, socks still on. The only thing that came off was his sunglasses. Just laid there. - Yeah, I didn't want any of them. - What, oh, instead of mourning? (laughing) - That makes 25-hour rule. (laughing) So he doesn't do it the first night. What's going through your head when that happens? - He's gay. (laughing) - I was honestly just laughing because I'm like, this motherfucker really has a shirt tucked in right now. And there was so much space between us that I could literally park like five people by between. - You know what made it worse? - What happened? - Ask him when we went for our first date. - Where'd you guys go for your first date? - Bahamas. - You flew to the Bahamas. - Yeah. - To the homeland. - Yeah. - And then didn't even let you hit first night. - Why am I crazy? - Why am I crazy? (laughing) - Why am I crazy? - You had it all, you had it all like the saxophone, die plane, live music, everything there. - Chef, yeah. - Yeah, that's nothing. - Why didn't that happen? - And then, did you try to make a move? - No, I just looked at him and I'm like, I'm not, you know what? I'm not gonna violate him, I'm not gonna do nothing. - Yeah. - Give me my space. - Give me my space. (laughing) - And then in the morning, what happened? - It was on. (laughing) - Yeah. - Cambodia ladies and gentlemen, Cambodia. - That's all right. - We got a finish, we got another two hours ago. (laughing) - Here we go. - Wow. - I like that move, I like that move by the way. - Yeah. - Hey, we're not doing this. - This is not the only thing that matters to me. - Yeah. - I need to establish this. - Yeah, I had to let you, I had to sit. - He flew right out of Boston to a sandal wearing place. You notice that, right? - Did you see what I'm doing? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Let's go on a vacation someplace in sandals. - It was cold. - It was cold and it was cold, no, it was cold. - She got off the plane. Bubble coat. Boots. - Put on this time. - Immediately. - Go to sandals. - Wow. - Hey, sandals were ready for it right off the plane. (laughing) - What happened today? How to work their way up to Poppy's date. This was very first date and flying out, flying in Don and saxophone player. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But, I didn't let her fuck. (laughing) - I did it in the latter. - All right. - All right. - All right. - All right. - Yeah. - I'm like, I think a lot of women have confused when they feel they're the prize. - Interesting. Think about that and is there ever like the ass woman? What does she bring to the table and watch what she says what was she say in the table? The table don't pay no bills What woman said that to you? Some chick back in 84 What do you mean you the table Don't bring no napkins on a table floor tables. I hope you know, but oh, but you're the table Yeah, for feet. That's got a man. Dude. There's legs to the table man. Yeah Life is funny. Life is funny, man. So you're gonna give her two more Two more twins. What I mean depends on the price of FBI. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be I could be going up man You never know are you evolving your investments? Huh? Are you involved in all your investments? Are you are you watching all that? Yeah, always and are you penny trading stuff? No, penny who but penny trading you with my dick Talking money What are we talking about? Yeah That's a free one though. You can do that. That's a good one What's that ever like that's a good one? Speaking of money like was there ever some like you probably get offered crazy investments some people coming to you all the time Never you never got heard all the horror stories from all my friends, you know during those during those times 87% of us go broke. That's 87% the number has continued to climb since I was playing So obviously even though people are making more money now in this day. It doesn't matter because We're no, it's not happening. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing put this in you like at a young age I was my grandmother my grandmother grandfather was cheap Interesting my grandfather was cheap. Yeah, and my grandfather What fuck it? I can say it now. He was in the streets. Yeah big time. Yeah. I was blind to it Didn't know it my grump my grandma complete opposite in church every Sunday Bible study Eastern Star white church Gospel playing like that and grandpa was complete opposite It's a good deal. Yeah, yeah, so plain but once I come to learn who he was what he had all that Plains see plain at a boat. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah big boy. Oh, wow, but I can tell but I guess what I got the cheap thing He was frugal. Yeah, he was but I still will enjoy myself from time to time well There's a difference between being cheap and enjoying yourself. Yeah, from time to time because I feel like if you're enjoying something yourself This is value you're getting out of money spent right right cheap. I think is like for frugal is not being wasteful with your money Mm-hmm. I think a lot of people most of the time when you when you get money they love the pay for convenience That is really you know, I'm I know why I don't pay for convenience really I enjoyed spirited lines And now I'm kind of fucking pissed that they're gone Or I I set in the same X a road 13 a every single time anything under three hours Mm-hmm. The only time I flew like coming here I had to fly American, but it wasn't on my time Yeah, yeah, you know, I had to fly to Vegas, but it wasn't on my time. Hey that jet blue mint. That shit is nice It is east of west coast west coast east. You never splurged for a private jet or a private what it cuz it's too much Bro fuck out of here. Yeah, it's you fly private me on me and Shannon. We're fucking argue about this on the podcast Yeah, he's flying on private jet. Oh 50 50,000 for what for one way you go in New York, LA is 50 racks for what yeah, okay You go private right? Mm-hmm convenient no line whatever you go right you get on the plane. I stand in line Huh, I'm not getting what do you call it pre-check? Yeah, I'm not paying for that shit. I have no problem standing in line Yeah, I can stand in line with everybody else. Yeah, cuz when we get to the gate Even if you get get through the gate before me through security will even say you still have to wait in line Yeah, you board the plane before me. Yeah We stick it off the same plane. We still landed the same guy damn time. Yeah, nothing changes Yeah, so I'm gonna save whatever it is I can yeah, let's say you do fly private. Okay, you fly in three three three three hours earlier I'm still coming right behind you three hours later. Yeah, and I say would I have to spend the money? But like did was there a guy who advised you financially? No, because I've seen enough mistakes So then what did you do you just put your money in like you know some sort of investment funds with a bank? Mm-hmm. So you basically were like I'm gonna be conservative I'm not gonna spend but I'm also not gonna take on these wild investments that are super risky not happening because the super risky stuff is cool But I'm not making enough to be able to lose money interesting. I can't take those chances I think that was an NBA. That's different. Oh, I just now we're gonna take chances now you can play you can play though game because Everything is guaranteed like I can get hurt. Yeah, and then now what I'm done Do you think that the the contract should be more guaranteed in the NFL or in the heart because we have too many players We have too many players. I think the Sean Watson He's one of the one of the few who's who's been able to get a guarantee Contract, but the Browns were so Eager to have finally have a quarterback based on what he did in Houston and him being available Despite all the turmoil around him. Yeah, hey, he's lashing using holy shit. You top five. Yeah, and so He's like oh shit. He's available. Let's go get him. Matter-facking. Oh, we're gonna make a guaranteed and obviously the injuries and the real everything So I've heard people say I've heard this with the with the NBA that guaranteeing the contract fully Mm-hmm Creates and creates an interesting paradigm What do you mean? So all that contracts are guaranteed exactly. It's a fucking lot It's a lot of money. Yeah, so you're guaranteed fully, but now all of a sudden you're like I my knee kind of hurts I don't want to play at it like those guys are like I don't want to go back to back and there's so it's like if you are guaranteed When they call it when they rest um just a rest day. That was the word. It's the word to it that they Load management. Oh, yeah, exactly. So it's like if you're fully guaranteed, but you're getting load management Yeah, I think they make the calls themselves NBA players make fuck you money And they really make and they control they control the narrative on what they want to do and when they want to do it Yeah, and and that I imagine every sport is looking at that like we need to make sure that we can get to a point where we can demand this Not like if you're an NFL player, aren't you looking at that? You just it's just too much risk of injury and there's too much salary Yeah, yeah, like yeah, they'll they'll never Quarterbacks maybe be able to get away with it some of them But just you know you're regular skill players get it never happened never happened risk risk the risk is No, but you have to play injured in the league. Yeah, you do you're never you're never 100% healthy. Yeah, I don't think Amy sport Yeah, we're just 100% healthy. No, of course not. No, I mean, it's like this classic women are like a boxer like any kind of fighter combines about being injured after the fight after the fight And it's like well, yeah, everybody's injured going into the fight going into a fight. You probably injured training camp. Yeah, you're never 100% healthy. Yeah, I doubt it All right, guys, take a break for a second. Is there any money less than you wish you learned earlier in life? And if so, how are you trying to pass that knowledge down to the next generation? For all the parents out there with teenagers We know you're already trying to keep a million different things under control. 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Did you ever spend money on anything dumb? Like early on, were you like, oh, I mean, I had my fun for our story, Lamborghini, at least the Bugatti for you. I think it was 2009. So you did the things. That's why I said, every so often, but it's, do it six months gone. It was easy to cut off. Yeah. Easy to cut it off. Did you know it was kind of dumb in the moment or were you like, no, there's going to be five in an hour? I didn't really consider it dumb. There's more so I want to know what this experience is like and I'm going to do it. Not, I'm not going to do it because this is the image I have to hold. This is not my identity. I'm doing it because I actually want to. Everyone else is doing it because, hey, look, I got, no. How much money did you make playing? That's open, right? Like that's not a weird question. How much does that make? How much money does that make playing? Let me look at it right now. That's a good question. I can tell you how much I saved. I can do that. 87%, 81, 82, based on the figures and the numbers. Chad Otrusenko, Johnson, or approximately 48 to 49 million dollars in a group of your career. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Hey, can you do me another favor? Yeah. Can you type in who the cheapest NFL athlete ever? Who's cheapest? Hey, Google names you, that is dope. Chad Johnson, known as Chad Otrusenko's, widely considered the cheapest or most frugal NFL player. That is. That's what the fuck is it? It ain't for you. Yeah. Huh? That's what I'm talking about. Go go down. Let's look at Chad's Johnson's frugal habits. Stadium housing. He secretly lived inside Cincinnati, Van Gogh Stadium during his first two years to avoid paying rent. I heard that. Budget travel. He drove an inexpensive smart car. Smart car. Still got it. Shows budget airlines like spirit airlines. Let's go bargain accessories. He's literally more fake jewelry and $8 watch from Walmart. Low cost dates to stand at first date involved taking women to McDonald's. Wow. They're trying to put grunk down there. They said grunk's up there with you. Yeah, grunk and march on Lynch. Oh, it's march on. She. Oh, what? Tell me. Oh, yeah. He's the same. He's the same. Yeah, he's the same way. I don't think he's, I go to the extreme with it. Yeah. And don't give a fuck because I told everybody what I'm doing. I'm letting you know while I'm making 10 million dollars of real, this shit ain't real. Yeah. What are you going to say to me? Nothing. What are you going to say? Once you're not ashamed of it, you can't shame something. No, no, no. And then I'm, I'm just smart about it. And obviously you have La Uzzi has a song where he says, my jury, my jury real, I ain't no joke. It just came out really. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And to you, is that like you're honored by that? I am. I am. Because I mean, it's right there. What do we talk about? Yeah. Google is free. And he has some people tweet me. Hey, Uzzi got a song. He disson you fucking idiot. Do your homework on who I am. Yeah. He's complimented me. Yeah. Wait, it's real. It's real now though. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You see it. I don't. You see a dancing. I mean, it's shining like it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why? Why even wear it then me? Yeah. If you're, if you're going, everything's fake, why even wear it? Right. I like the look. Yeah. Oh, that's good. I like the look. Yeah. The look is good. Yeah. The look. I can look rich. What I have in the spending. Yep. Yeah. Because you all told me that because I am rich. Exactly. No, told me that. Oh, I'll be right now. That's the thing. He's billionaire's dress regular. He wouldn't even fucking know. Hey, not shining anything. Told me he had fake stuff too. That's why I started. I really. Can you say who? No, I don't want to do that. Okay. No disrespect. But he was like, I just got to do. Yeah. Say it. No, this shit fucking real. Why would he put himself at risk at all wearing a fucking million dollar watch? Hey, not on the money in the world. Why have rich? When that when that when he was when I when he told me that. Yeah. I'm taking that philosophy. Where was this? What were you already a player? Yeah, I was playing. I was a replaying. I was in year two. I was in year two. I'll say that's dope. So he gave you some game and then you're like, watch it. Well, you know, I was already like that anyway, but just hearing from someone like that, you already has it. Then I already had that philosophy as well. Yeah. Oh, you fucking women have already googled how much I'm making. So what am I doing it for? Yeah. I don't drink alcohol. So I'm not at the club popping bottles and doing stuff like that. Yeah. I mean, what about gambling? Fuck me. Yeah. cheapest athlete of all time. That's how guys give. That's how guys lose their money, bro. I was going to in Vegas. I wanted to go gamble with Dana White. Dana Wood. Hey, and then I heard I heard the story. The levels are crazy. $400,000 hands. Oh my god. Yeah. I'm cool. What about strip club? I support adult ballet. I do support adult ballet. Okay. No, I used to be a stripper. Yeah. No. So it promised 1997. Okay. When I lived in LA. Okay. The fact check. Yeah, fact check that. Where did you strip out of the right track in LA? When I was at Santa Monica College. I had to I couldn't afford tuition. I couldn't afford books here. Yeah. Okay. Hold on. Yeah. That's why you had a great stripper name. Do you want to guess? Uh, no. What is it? Twix. Yeah. Because I was skinny. It's here with veins everywhere. Vains. Everybody know the trick. You open the Twix. You know, it's, oh, we know it's vain. Did you actually strip them? Yeah. I didn't have a choice. How about I need a money? Like at private parties or at like a club. I did dancing bare party one time. What is dancing bare party? You know dancing bare? No. When a lady's getting married, you come out with the, you have an Uber costume. It's like a bad syrup party. Yeah, but dancing bare, you go a little far. And did they try to do something? Yeah. Did you ruin the marriage? Gave her all three inches. Gave her a little bit of that port. Hold on. Hold on. Wait a minute. So and this was the pay for school. Yeah, I needed it. I need it. I mean, I mean, I nine to five is not going to give me enough money to pay for books and pay for classes. That's true. It just, it just wasn't. And I could dance. I had rhythm. You know, I was, I was back, nope, kind of hung like a horse. So it fit. Yeah. These are where to touch down dead just came from. Yeah. I just started that career. Wow. It worked. It worked. And also, I'm not saying that any of us would ever have to, you know, alter to having to strip again. But healthy women tip very well. Bigger women. Yes. Oh my God. Interesting. You ever been to a big woman? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love, I love fluffy stuff. Do you? Do you? Do you? Different. They are. Yeah. They're more. There is more. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're big, they're big. Yeah. For a reason. But, yeah, switching positions can be a little bit difficult at time, but sideways like Cesarum. You gotta go sideways. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the best way to get it. Shripped his way through. Yeah. That's fire. That's a real thing. Yeah. It was dope. How much money were you making at like the peak of the strip? Oh, no. Good night. To say, the games we played the game, the games were on Saturday, like a Friday. I can get 25 hundred. No, much 25 hundred years back in the college kid and kid and kid in me. 19 in college. Was there ever a moment where you were like, I might just do this for a while. Well, absolutely not. You knew that you were going to my vision was to get to the NFL and piss off Roger Gidele. Paul Taggibu at the time. That's right. And any guys on the team know you were doing this? No. No. I wouldn't tell them. You fucking make fun of me all day. Yeah. Of course. No. I don't care. I'm old Joe. Yeah. You strip. So you this isn't interesting thing about you that I've always admired is that you just completely own yourself. Yeah. So that nobody really can hurt you because I don't care. I well, I don't think it's your own care. I think you're proud of everything you present. So when you're if you're proud of being frugal and someone goes your frugal, you're like, yeah, it's like someone's going, you're American to me. I'm like, yeah, proud of being Americans. Like I don't see anything as an insult. I think so many people hide, hide behind it. They hide everything. Yeah. It's always having to prove I got it. I always have to prove I'm rich. Like that to me that's draining. That's like acting, not being not really being an actor 100%. I can't I don't want to put on that mask every day. It's exhausting. I look at Instagrams all the time. Everybody you go to Instagrams. So fucking everybody rich. What the fuck is everybody do? Everybody flying private. Everybody has all these fucking foreign cars. Everybody's in design. It's a performance. What are we talking? Every day. Yeah. Now if you're in the fashion, you don't fucking GQ and in vote. Okay, I get it. Yeah. But every day. Yeah. Come on, man. I mean, it's cool. If that's what you like to do. I mean, but listen, I've been wearing this past three days. I don't care. I shower. I put it back on three different states. Nobody saw this in Vegas. Yeah. So I put it on again because they didn't see it in New York. They didn't see it in New so why am I changing? I put it on in Miami because nobody in Miami saw it either - Yeah, they need to see it. - So every time you change states, the outfit resets itself. - I agree with you. - You do get that, right? - You get another life out of it. - Bingo. - Yeah. - But I did change the shoes. So that creates a whole night, a whole new dynamic of an outfit. - A whole new outfit. - Completely different outfit. - All starts with the feet. - Yeah, yeah. - Here. (laughing) - Fucking here. - Elon Musk, cool. - I do that with the week. - If I saw you on Saturday, I'm not gonna see you on Monday. - Right. - I'll go run it back. - See? - These wasn't the Saturday people. - Yeah. - Is there anything you're insecure about? - Polly Swinger's Clubs. - Why? - Huh? - Why are you insecure about them? - Because every time I go to swing clubs, like everybody's wife wants to sleep with me. - Okay, so. - That makes me uncomfortable. - Why? - Because the wives always try to sneak behind the guys back and see me privately. - Can you tell me what exactly has happened? Can you paint this picture? - I can. - So. (laughing) - You seem very insecure about this. (laughing) - Yeah, let me tell everybody it's security. - Everyone wants to fuck me. (laughing) - Sport time. - All right, go. - I just, I think during my experimenting days. - When was the first time you went to a swingers club? Take us back. Where was it? - It was Medevac and L.A. - When you were in a time when I was stripping. - So you ever girl at the time? - Yeah. - And she presents it to you or you present it to me. She was a little older, she was older. And it was her idea that I should start stripping. You see the influence older women have. - Oh, wow. - She was kind of, she was the one A, this is what you should do. - She was pimping. - I don't have the, she did pimping a little bit. - She did a little bit, a little bit, yeah. I wasn't gonna say that. - How did you, how did you say that? - Yeah, that's a madam. - And I did, I did help her a little bit. - She helped herself. - Damn, that is you put it like that. - Being recognized game is fine. - I got pimped out. - It's okay. It's okay. - But I was able to afford my books and tuition though. - That's what, that's my wholesale. - I get it. - I get it. - I get it. - I get it. I get it. - Okay, we go up. - Go up. - So she goes, let's go to this swingers club. - Yeah. And so we go to this swingers club. And obviously, you know, obviously you exchange partners. - I don't know how a swimmers club even works. Is it like a regular nightclub? Is it a house that has rooms? - So there's one of those things that, there's really nothing I can tell you, you'd have to experience it. - Well, just to try. (laughing) - All right, so she takes the club. Is it like an open kind of dance floor type of place? - Open rooms, cubicles, curtains. It depends on what different rooms you can go into. And you open the room. Oh, they're having sex. Oh, shit, they're going at it too. Oh my goodness, they're going at it too over there. And I remember everybody's a couple. - And are you looking at this going, this is fucking insane. - Well, it's different because I got to think, I'm young, still 19, 19, maybe 20 at the time. So it's different to me. It's different for me. And I'm looking like, okay, okay, this is LA. - And not knowing, well, this shit happens everywhere. - Yeah, this is nothing new, but it's new to me. And it was cool. I got a little comfortable and we talked, meet couples, they drink. Everyone drinks. - The company you guys? - Yeah, they are. - And you guys are just having regular conversation. - Yeah, but it's not sexual. - And everybody's drinking, but everything is sexual 'cause there's no reason to be in a swimming club and have fucking small talk. - Exactly. - You know why we're here. - Uh-huh. - What you want to do. - And so, she laid everything in conversation. - Madam, now I'm putting it all in. Now that you put it together. - Yes, yes. - And obviously we did the switching. And for me, I have to put on a mean demonstration. - But were you cool with other people smashing her? - Yeah. - Yeah, you didn't come. - I'm not as secure. - Yeah. - Like, I've always been like that. Like, we're dating, but you're not my property. - Yes, that's true. - I've never allowed a woman to use, like, she's my girl, that's my girl, because they can weaponize that against you. - Ooh. - I don't, I don't play that. You would never, even though we're together, you're still not my property. I don't own you. I don't, I don't view it like that. - Okay. - I never have. - Okay. - So you didn't get, you didn't get jealous or anything. - No, jealous, but you got to put in work. - Hey. - What is the guy saying? - My reputation is on the line. - Oh my line. - It is. - Let's feed yourself. You may not eat tomorrow unless you get down. - Hey, I don't play. - So what? - They nicknamed me the plumber. - Yeah, I'm on clogging shit. - What? - Huh? - Yo. - I'm on clogging shit. - Kill. - Okay, okay. - Okay, okay. - So you're on clogging shit. - I got a video footage you want to see. - I did. - But not, yeah. - Is that weird? - Not really. With you it isn't for some reason. - Yeah. - Yeah. - If anyone else said that, I'm going to be weird with them. - Yeah. - Okay, but then we'll look at it, but hold on. So this is, you got this, you don't like it. - I tell you. - I tell you. - Flip forward. - This is not going to date. - No. - Okay. - So you're in there. - Yeah. - And you guys agree to exchange? - Yeah. - You're piping out this dude's wife. - Yeah. - And. - I cast the rhythm. And I always pay attention to. - I cast the rhythm. - Her rhythm. - Oh, you caught a rhythm. - Everybody doesn't know what they're doing. - Understand. - I was very sensual. If you speed me up, I can speed up. It just depends on what you want. So I always pay attention to her mannerisms and what she wants. - Got it, got it. - Very detailed in that area. - It seems like it is. - Yeah, very good. - All right, so you're going. - Yeah. - Your husband like looking over and shit. - I don't know because I'm focused. When I'm locked in. - Yeah. - I'm in. I don't care what's going on around me. It's like the room is empty. When I'm on the football field. - Same thing. - 80,000 screaming. I can't hear shit because I'm locked in on what I have to do. So I have to put on a mean demonstration. I'm going to give her the one and the two, sometimes three and four. - What are those different ones? - It's just levels. - Oh. - It's hard off of the one. - Depending on how much you can take. Did she go to four? - No. - Not very many. - Not very many with four. - Is that right? - Oh, yeah. - Can Cambodia go to four? - Fuck no. - Really? - She has insurance. - I mean, she hasn't insurance. So if she want to go there and test the waters, we can. - Four is just crazy. - Oh, yeah. - Just ridiculous. - Do you know what happens? - Tell me what happens at four. - Listen, think about this. Everybody watching. Think about the damage. - Mark. - So uncomfortable. - Thank you. - Mark. - I guess so. - Tell exactly. Tell it to Mark. Because he gets so uncomfortable with this. - Think about this. - Yeah, think about Mark. - Just visualize this. - Yeah, visualize. - Me. Yeah. 56 year old white woman. Oh, she was black. Sorry. Couldn't have been a white woman. - Yeah. - No, she was 62 actually. - She was 62. - Imagine 62, right. Me. Three inches. At 99 miles an hour. Think about the damage that it does. - Think about that. - Think about that. Think about that. - You got the visual? - Yeah. - You ever seen a smart car 1-2-4-1? - Yeah. - And then in my power. Just think about it over and over. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah. - Depending on what you get. Yeah. I mean, she never got past three, but. - She never got past three. - No, no. Level four. Four. Oh, fucking jackhammer. Four is the jackhammer. - Yeah. - Like a rabbit. You ever seen a rabbit go? - A half. - Yeah. - I don't play. For how latched on like a fucking chicken on the jewel bug. (laughing) - Me. - Me. - I don't know what it is, but I can't. - I don't know what it is, too. - But you're not, you're not T&B. - Huh? - You're not T&B? - Touching bus. Touching bus? - Me. - No. - No. Not at all. - So you can hold out. - Yeah. - What are you doing to hold out? - Think about football. - So you're in. - Stay in the moment. - Stay aligned with what I'm doing. - Yes. - But think about something else. - And what is that? - It takes time to do that. (laughing) - But it's not football. How are you staying scared? - Just the game in general. - You're running around. - You think about the game, yeah. - Yeah, post-cording. - Yeah. - You gotta focus. I think porn stars have developed the ability to compartmentalize what I'm doing, but I'm still not there. I'm here, but I'm not. So I can do multiple positions, you know, get different camera angles. - Interesting. - And when you click, like they're doing it longer than they are, but all this just camera angles changing. - Are you into porn? - No. - I did amateur porn. - No, you didn't. - I didn't have a choice. (laughing) - This, I have a choice then. - You've been very liberal with that. - What did you do in amateur porn? - This was in '98. So I stripped in '97 and '98, but the year wasn't ineligible. Remember, I was the Santa Monica, it took me three years to get out of a two-year institution. - That's for real. - I was ineligible in '98. - So before you went to Oregon State? - Yeah, remember, I was the one for one at Oregon State. I only had, I was only there for four months. - Hold on. - I was a knucklehead. I was from school to school. I went to Langston University first. - Yes, and then I remember. - Got thrown out for fighting. - Yeah. - I ended up at a Santa Monica, I get to play, so that's two years down, '98, I'm ineligible. I get my grades together, I play Santa Monica again, five years to other music, Oregon State. - Wow. - I was out. I had four months, my back was against the wall, I had to get it done. - So you go to porn? - Yeah. - At the amateur porn. - What makes an amateur? - I don't get paid. - Wow, I love these games. - So you were doing it for just the joy of it? [BLANK_AUDIO] - Yeah. - And hoping I can get some kickback from videos once they went out. So when you're a professional porn star, they're paying you to come. - And when you're in the company. - Yeah, when you're amateur, they're paying you based on what's viewed and paid for. - And did it ever get viewed? - Yeah. - A little sum, not much. - Not much. - I think the most I've made, what, it'd be 250 bucks? - Is it still out there now? - You could probably track it down. - No, wow. - Yeah. - Really? - It's tracking the rich visuals. - It's pretty good. - Yeah, I mean, it's a good thing for me because women, oh my God. Oh, so I just want the experience. I don't want you. - Oh, that's pretty cool. - Women would actually ask for the Ocho experience. - Yeah. - But no one's been able to take the four. - No, no, I ain't gonna take the four. - Not one girl that planet Earth could take the four. - I doubt it. - What about a professional porn star girl? - I've never been one. - But do you think they would be capable of handling the four? - Do you know any? (laughing) - I mean, oh, you know. - I don't know. That'd be fun. I mean, I mean, me and Ken Bodier, like we're. - You're locked in here, you can't shut it. - She's not with the whole sharing shit. - She's not. - But it's so funny, you know, when you're in kindergarten, the first thing you do when you're in kindergarten is sharing this caring. - That's true. - Some confused at what point did we get to where. - Selfish. - Selfish, right? - Yeah. - Where, oh, that's my property. Well, technically, I really don't belong to you. The only thing belong to me is my mistakes. - Yeah. - And my social security number. - That's true. - Nobody can take that as you go. - Right? - Well, I don't want to get in trouble, so I'll stop there. (laughing) - How did you mean Shannon Sharp for the first time? Did you guys play together in the league? - No, we, my first year was his last year. And obviously, he's always been a fan of his. He was a fan of mine, customized out on TV because I was acting a fool. And the relationship, it was perfect. 'Cause we are complete opposites, as you can see. I share and talk about anything. He's a complete opposites. - Yeah. - He's reserved, very structured, very disciplined when it comes to work. Me? - Oh, I'm not. I'm saying any and everything. If it happened, the world's gonna know about it. And that dynamic with him and I on Nightcap has been phenomenal. The addition of Joe, 'cause I don't know shit about basketball, has been really good. And I watched Joe play his entire career. I'd never heard Joe Johnson talk. - Me neither. - He came on the show. - It all may, it's been a joy. - Yeah. - It's been a joy, man. So it's been awesome for me, man. - So wait, you wish any connect from him talking shit about you? - Well, no, not just over the every media person. - Of course, of course. - I mean, like he's obviously doing it. - He came with the idea, the podcasting. - Yeah, he came with the idea about him doing a podcast. - So you were taking a personal when these guys would be critical of you? - Not like that. - Especially the X-play? - No, I tried to do more. - So they would keep talking. - Yeah. - Interesting. - So then when you finally see him, is he like hesitant? Because he's like, I know I've talked trash about you. - No, because I'm a social butterfly. They know I don't give two, you know what? - Yeah. - They know I don't care. - Yeah. - There was nothing that you could say that could rattle me through the media. - Nothing. - At all. - Really? - Because I don't care. I literally don't care. - Yeah. - At all. There's this, and I've always been that way. - I never understood the people that allow words to bother them. It's desks from people they don't know. Or even people that have played this worthy. Okay, so what? Oh, you don't like me? Okay, cool. - Can we fuck? - Yeah. - Just doesn't matter. I didn't care enough about what this says. - That was fascinating. - Yeah, that is, I don't know. - So like comments online, feedback. What about things you care about? - I love that. - So like, you care about-- - I care about a woman. I care about a woman's feet being done. I care about that. You know, anybody's opinion on me, nah, I can give two shit. - What about if it's feedback from the woman? - The ones you care about. - Well, I mean, feedback is always good. - Okay. - My reputation is what it is. - All right. - Yeah. (laughing) - Have you talked to Shannon about this photograph? - Yeah, have you ever talked to him about his outfits? - Not, I mean, you gotta understand it. Anke has two replace hips. - Yeah. - So he's hurt. So the camera catches him when he's leaning you know, so it's, that's my guy. (laughing) - Hey man, hey. - The good friend, hey good. - I almost had to beat some people up, man, about Anke, man. - No way. - What happened? - They gave, they gave, that's my cause. - So you actually, you're more protective of other people that even yourself. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I fuck somebody up by Shannon, but-- - Really? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Shout out to Shannon, man. I got you, baby. - We love you all. - Just bail me out. - We love you. (laughing) - So really, some people tried to pressunk and you were like-- - I mean, just, you know online. - Online jokes. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I like, I like-- - He's good with jokes. - Yeah, yeah. - I was on the show, I was teasing him and he's good. He laughs, like, great with it. - I like engaging back and forth. - Yeah, it's fun. - Yeah. - It's fun. - Dude, and then you also got your show. - The song. - The late one. - Yeah, yeah. - Oh, I love, I love. - The idea came about a while ago. We just started in February, if I'm not mistaken. I think I had some dudes sit down and go back and forth about soccer, seeing what their knowledge was of the game. And Rahim, Rahim, man, he's been dope, man, great energy. Those, what he's talking about, been around for a very long time, knows the ends and outs and the flows of the beautiful game. And that union and camaraderie with him and being able to piggyback and bounce off of him has been-- - But also big guess. - Perfect. - Like, you talking to players, like, this is-- - Big, yeah. - Is that, like, nerve wracking to you at all? - No, because I know all the players. - Got it. - So it's been easy to get most of the players based on my love for the game and traveling to see them since 2001. - Yeah. - What was the, like, thoughts of the ends? - Yeah. - I'm gone. - But when you were hanging out with Mario, how is that? - But let's tell you. - Yeah. - Asked my guy. - Yeah, Mario's my guy, man. He's funny. He's funny. I was able to see him when he was a man city. When he was at Liverpool, what year was that? I had everywhere, everywhere he stopped. - Yeah. - Ronald Dino, Terry Henry. He's a lot of time. I'm about-- - These are dude when they do when they're primed. - Yeah. - Messi, Cristiano. I'm to being there in their prime. - Can we ask you the obvious soccer question? - Cristiano. - Yeah, okay. - Yeah. - And why, it makes sense. - I mean, just Cristiano. Messi, to me, I always say it all the time. Messi is the greatest gift to the beautiful game. - Okay. - But my goal was to be Cristiano. - But why, why is that? - I just prefer Cristiano. Regardless of the accolades, regardless of trophies and all that sort of side, my preference on style of player that I enjoy watching is Cristiano. - But that's a preference on style of play. If you had to say who is the best stepper, you still go Cristiano. - Yeah. - 'Cause that's what I like. - This is what you like. - Yeah. - You're objective outside of your life. - Cristiano. - Cristiano. - 100%. - It's not changing. - The best, who is the most skilled soccer player ever? - Name-R, maybe Ronaldinho. - Ronaldinho, maybe. - You got to throw Messi in there too, right? - Yeah, Messi doesn't do it on the pitch. He can do it. - But he's not doing what Ronaldinho is doing. - He doesn't do it, but he can do it. That's the funny thing about it. He can do it, but he just doesn't. He is straight ahead, hezy, fake, faint, and that's it. But name-R in Ronaldinho, they will do it and execute it in game when you're not supposed to. - I lived in Barcelona when Barcelona won La Liga with Ronaldinho at home. - At home. - NES style, yeah. - It was crazy. - I was, matter of fact, I got a picture with Messi during that time. He wasn't even, he wasn't even, he wasn't even on the pitch. - Yeah, he wasn't. - Maybe it was under youth academy or something like that. - No, he was on the bench. - No, when I was there, I was, I was 20 years ago. - Oh wow. - Who's a baby? - Wow. - He had the fucking mushroom cut. - Both of you guys had babies, man. - Is it? - Oh shit, my baby. - Oh no, it's okay. - Wow. - Who's the, who's the Cristiano Ronaldo of the NFL? - Yeah. - Who are the counterparts? - No, that's a good one. - And then who's Messi of the NFL? - I mean, depending on who you ask and 90% of the population says Messi's the goat, then Messi would have to be Tom Brady. - Interesting. Like we made it with, we made it with basketball a little bit easier, you know, like maybe Cristiano's LeBron and maybe Messi's staff or Kyrie. - Messi wouldn't be Jordan? - No. - Why? - Or you could say maybe Cristiano's Jordan and then Messi's staff or Kyrie. - In terms of like incredible skill, but they can't overpower the game in a way that - Okay, okay, okay. - The overpower the game if they wanted to. - Okay, I got you, I got you, I got you, I got you. Yeah, that makes sense. - So Brady's your goat, greatest NFL player of all time. - Yeah, he is, he is. - No question. - When you play with him. - Brady's quarterback. - Distinct difference, playing with him? - No. - Was there anything unique about him? Did you like the way he grew up all? - It's very cool. - It's just like calm, calm, calm, cool. - Collective, his walk is like motherfucker's different. - If you felt it. - Yeah, you can see it, just, I had people talk about aura, but it's aura, aura is Tom Brady. I'm not talking about the Tom Brady you get to see on TV or the Tom Brady and the Brock has both. But you have to see him when there's no cameras around. But it's a motherfucker. - Tell me, tell me, tell me. - 'Cause you obviously watch this guy play for years, and then you play with him, there's a distinct difference? - His mannerisms, his, just the way he carries himself, the way he talks, it's just different. You never expect the greatest of all time to be like he is, super down-earth, like really cool. It is like, oh my goodness, okay? Cool, I didn't expect you to be like this, especially you don't think someone that is the greatest of what they do to be that down-earth. - Do you mean Tom Brady's stories you feel like exemplify that point? - No, not really, I don't. But you know how much I love Frank Snatcher, right? - Mm-hmm. - For some reason, I think Tom is like a reincarnated Frank. - Whoa. - Smooth. The way he talks. His walk, fucking he drops back cool with the ball. - Mm-hmm. Everything is always in rhythm. It's like, oh no. - Controlled. - Yeah. Oh, it was just, did you enjoy playing in his offense? - Yeah, it was fun. I didn't do shit there, but it was fun. - But it was fun. - Every year, every game. - Yeah. - Come hell out of the water, we want to win. - You felt it, easy. - Except the-- - Fuck you. - Yeah, fuck you. - Yeah, that's a big one. - That was dope. I enjoyed my time there, that was dope. I'd be in Bill or still like this. - Really? - I could take Bill right now, yeah. - That clip of him telling you that you're here. - Yeah, fucking double team in the preseason. Who the fuck does that? This is an all-time clip. I can try and find it. - What is it? - Preseason, preseason game and obviously knowing the preseason. I love the play in the preseason because I want to get myself acclimated to game speed and game tempo. It's fast as possible. And the only way to do that is by actually playing in the preseason. A lot of players now, they think it's not cool. I'll get that. I need it because I want to hit the ground running week one as in shape and as in game tempo as much as possible, 'cause practice and game speed is completely different. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Completely different. And preseason game, we were playing the Patriots and oh, you got it? - Yeah. - Double cover in this, so you feel the night off? - Oh, come on, yeah. - One double, 85, that's our call. One double, 85. - No matter where I go. - 80, yeah. - So you can't hide. - Come on, coach. You serious? - I just tell you, he's just playing. - I gotta watch you run in the end so I'm gonna spike the wall here. - Hey, have a good one. - All right. - All right. - So he doubled you in the preseason. (laughing) - And that was just a joke, he really did. - No, he did it, he did, he did too. I think that's the game, even though he doubled me, I think I still kicked the winning field goal that game. - Oh, that's right, I remember you kicked the winning field goal. - Yeah, that was fun. That was fun, but. - What do you think takes it this year? - It's too early to tell. - It's way too early. There's some team that look really good. - That's interesting with football, is that you really don't know until mid season. - Andrew's not popping up. - Bingo, that's an important part. Who's healthy at the season? You know, Miles Garrett just goes down. You know, he's out, AJ Brown gets hurt first game of the season. Like, injury, the injury bug, it can derail a lot, especially depending on how important that player is. - I know you don't gamble, but if you had to, for example, and you had to say, listen, this is what I think is gonna do at this season. - Oh no, I don't know why I could see like a bear's and a bear's and banglesoubo. - Are you betting your book right now? Like are you saying bangles just because you are? - Well, obviously I'm picking the bangles that come out the ASC regardless. - Yeah. - Yeah, I mean, Cal State's got the bangles at 5% for the NFL, for the Super Bowl. - What about bears? - Oh, you don't know. - 5%, but they got the Rams at number one at 13%. - Even with the injuries, huh? - It went down a little bit. - It went down because of that. - Yeah. - And the bills at 9%. - Is that the Raven's third? - Yeah, Raven's third. - Is there a quarterback you wish you'd play with? - No. - Anytime in history. - Burrow. - Really? - Yeah. - Is this just because you love the bangles? - No, just, yeah. - Yeah. - And it would have been dope. - Yeah. - I'm not gonna play with any quarterback 'cause I was always open, so it didn't matter. - Yes. - Just put the ball in the area. - Yeah. - But before your specific game was there, like you prefer a guy with an arm, right? Like, I mean, you don't have to have a strong arm. Just get it in the area and I'll take care of the wrist. - Like that. - Yeah, 'cause you know, there are guys that don't have the strongest arms, but they can anticipate throws. They can throw you open. You have some guys that-- - Remember Chad Pennington? - Yeah. - Didn't have a great arm, but-- - He can anticipate, he can ball placement was really good. He was accurate. - Yeah. - I can play with somebody like that. - Yeah. - It didn't matter. Just put that bitch in the area. - And then it's just-- - One eye in all, like I got it. - Really? - Yeah. - That much confidence. - Yeah. - Was there a DB that you thought that gave you nightmares at all? - It was. Not nightmares, but he was good. That was about nine season. - He was the guy. - He was the guy. I don't think that would ever be replicated. The gauntlet that he went through of Hall of Famers and top receivers in NFL that he hailed under 50 yards that season. - And what was it that was so-- - Even just good, it was good. - Was he strong with the line? - Yeah, 'cause he didn't look like a physically imposing DB. Like some of these guys are tall. - He was strong, he was strong. And that strength is not my game, so I didn't really have to deal with the strength, but he was just really technically sound and made no mistakes, was always in position, always. - What does that mean, always in position? - In position to make a play. - Oh wow. - So he never misstep or he never hesitated. He always kept himself top side, which is obviously in front of you, so he can always be in position to make a play. - Interesting. - He was really, really good. - And was there anything you would be trying to set him up for, and you just couldn't get it off like you would get on other guys? - Was he sure he would work on it? - It would work on everybody else, but it wouldn't work on him because he was so sound and didn't make any mistakes. - Well, what was it? Was there like a little move that you had specific? - No, no, just he stayed, he stayed on, he stayed at top. - Interesting. - Yeah, interesting. - So if you keep everything in front of you, there's no way for it to get behind you. - Yeah, yeah, but it's also hard to keep everything in front of you when you're going against the lead guy. - Not him, he was very patient. - Oh wow. - And then my only question is, what happens to DBs where it feels like one year, they can be prolific for four years. And then one year something can happen where, it seems like a gate. Is it just, is it so speed reliant that? - No, it's not even speed because you don't even have to be the fast in the world if you understand angles and you understand technique and what you're doing. - So what the fuck is it? There's one year it seems like they can fall off. - It happens, it happens. It's different, it's different. Now it's a game, it's a game of inches. One misstep, one wrong move, one wrong step. You done? - Really? - Yeah, it's hard. It's, it's, I'm trying to think of the word to use, it's an art to plan DB and it's art to plan receiver. And when it's done the right way, it's, and you know what you're watching? It's, it's masterful. - Well you were a kid and you watched like Dion, for example, was that the art at the highest level, was that pure athletic and intelligence? Like what? - Intelligence at letticism, speed. - Like obviously it's some natural gifts as well. - Yeah, of course. - There are guys that are slower than him that are still very prolific these days. But like what's the, what's the highest level? It's Revis in that one year? - Revis, that 2009 season, Champ Bailey. - I was about to say Champ. - Champ, obviously Dion. - I sound like Sam here, doesn't get the creative reserves. - Yeah, interesting. - Has a lot of interceptions. He was very, very good. And he got a lot of interceptions. He was able to do it playing off, being able to recover just understand tendencies, understand formation, route concepts. He was really good and didn't get the credit he deserves. - Playing off means like playing a zone. - Yeah, no, playing off. - Or a man, but just playing off. Which I think is much more difficult because the person is running at your full speed. - So you can't impact his route at all. - Bingo, and he's still able to, oh man, he was good. - So that's pure IQ, right? That's like understanding the setup. - He would tell he was a student of the game. Definitely a student of the game. - No, who's the opposite of Revis? Where it's like, every time you want to get this person, you know you won't get it. - Don't say Jason C. Horn, 'cause he's white. - Anybody. - Not but anybody. - I know what I'm saying. - I'm sure a lot. - Was there a guy we like, I'm eating this week. - Everybody. - Was there a thing with white DBs where like the milk check? - I'm trying to think. - Did I play him? - Have you heard about that? - No, that's so funny. - I don't know there's an NBA term, but it was like, "I don't think we had any white DBs." - Jason C. Horn, you must have played against. - No. - No, what year was that? C. Horn was way before me. - Was he? - Giants? - Stan, that's the last time you had it. - He was 94 and 2 on the last day. - 92, 2002? - Yeah, but we didn't play the Giants in 2001 or 2002. - Oh, okay. - Yeah, that was my second year. My first and second year. - C. Horn, C. Horn played during Shannon's era. - No, is this just football etiquette? You don't wanna talk shit about any of the old players? Like I noticed somebody that's like, "I know I'm a cookers nigga, every single time." - No, that was everybody. But you asked me. a question that I already did publicly when I was playing each week. Yeah, which is, I'm going to cook you every single week. Yeah. Remember the list the players I had in my locker? Mm-hm. Remember that? I had a list of DVDs for the season started. Like, it doesn't get any worse shit talking than that. I got all your names in my locker. You just have to stop me one time in the game and you get a check of who stopped 85. Like, I didn't care. I was extremely, extremely confident. Not myself, but the work I had already put in. Yeah. There's no way in hell y'all stop me. I don't care anything about your deep as a scheme. I don't care who your deep as a coordinator is. I don't care what you do. Your hands aren't huge. Huh? Yeah, but you know what it never mind. Yeah. But like, is that an advantage for a. No, my hands were never big. Never big. And then my hands are small, not small, but then I had one eye. That makes it even worse. So how the success? Strong hands. Got it. And were you doing the work? Like, oh god, there's a bar receiver. I'm forgetting his name right now. That like, would do all these, there was these like hand flex exercises. Yeah, I know that. But you know what it did use? Would you call it the thing, the gripper thing? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's right in the hands. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I had really strong hands, even though they're small. Really strong hands. Yeah. Because that gets everything out. And I had to wait till they get up on me so I could. Damn it. Do you miss the game? No. Interesting. I had fun. I had fun. I think if I had changed and formed to the way the media said I should be, quiet down, act like you've been A4, stop celebrating, stop using props. And I chose to change. I think then I'd be like, damn. I didn't get to really have the fun I wanted to, because I wasn't really able to be my authentically my true self. So you felt like you played the game exactly how you want to play. You got everything out of it. There's not a part of you that wishes that you could get back in there. They better never put me in Hall of Fame. Wait, oh really? They better not. Why? Because I'm coming out with a song with Sonata's My Way Plan. Well, I want fucking smoke, pyrotechnics, whatever that shit is called. They haven't seen a Hall of Fame introduction or ceremony. I was like, they let me in. Do you think they should make the Hall of Fame? Fuck no. Why not? Do you mean I'm a villain? Based on credentials, based on. No. What you think is accomplished in your career? They made Bill Bella check, wait. Yo, can you explain what that was about? I don't know. But I don't know. It's ridiculous. They had too much power. But I would never, I would never. You already know how I don't care, right? Yeah. I would never give the people they have the power to vote. I would never give them a satisfaction of thinking I actually care. Interesting. You're not controlling. You're not controlling my emotions like that. And I hate seeing players begging, trying to be a part of something that they're not welcome to. If I was an actor, if I was an actor, I'm not begging the Oscars to allow me to come and give me an Oscar. My work already speaks for itself. The numbers I put in speak for itself. My peers that I've played with and against. They know. That's enough. That's enough validation for you. I can go the exposure. Oh, my God, Ocho. We ain't fucking Qatar. How the fuck do you know who I am? And I ain't played football in 15 years. Yeah. That's Hall of Fame. Wow. I don't. The jacket is cool. What it means, what it stands for. Let's say, hypothetically, it happens. Oh, I'm coming out. What's that speech like? I'm going to thank all you bitches. From holding me into the man. No, I wouldn't do that. But it wouldn't happen. I understand politics. You understand the game? And I don't like to play politics. If I did, I would have been a fucking politician. Yeah. So that's why I put on the Hall of Fame jacket because I already knew. I had crossed the 10,000 yard mark on that catch against the Ravens. That was the one. That was the same hit. The same game. Oh, really? Yeah, we were right hit, Ray. Oh, you were feeling good, but you crossed 10,000. And I crossed 10,000. And at that moment, you know what? Put this jacket on. I'm Hall of Fame, Brody. And I'm not waiting on y'all. I made my own damn jacket. I'm in duck myself. Yeah. That's fire. That's bulls-y, yeah. I don't need you. Look at that. Look at that. What's the best trash talk? The funniest trash talk someone ever hits you with? Anything that makes you laugh? Like, you're in the game and you're like, "Oh, that's pretty good." No, nobody really talked back because they understood the middle, the middle games I was trying to play. What was your game trash talk was? Just, it wasn't like trash talk. You ever hear Steve Smith sing your talk trash? Like, he's like more like, "Fuck you, your mom, your parents, your hero. I'll fuck your wife." I'm more fun. Hey, how's the family? How are the kids? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You good? I'd be a nice. And if I can get you to converse, I got you. There's a woman who you're trying to talk to someone, and then I don't even know who comes over and says, "No, I don't talk to anybody." Or Scott. Yeah. Or Scott knew I was trying to soften up the defensive players, and more conversation. And you have such a funny line where he comes over again. Barth, I'm trying to show you some house brutality. I fucking love you. I'm not the bad guy. Fucking love you. That's amazing trash talk to go. I love you. Like, what do you even say to that? It's perfect. Yeah. Do you ever say a nice shit to a DV? And they're like a younger guy. And they're like, "Hey, bro, I'm a big fan." And then looking smile already. And that won't be like, "I'm cooking you." No. Because I never got the young DV. Because I was always-- I was going to get the number one corner. Those were some fun days, man. Those were some fun days. Oh, man. Where do you redirect the competitive nature? Yeah, yeah. Sex. I love it for it. Yeah, yeah. I'm afraid for Cambodia right now. Yeah, I'm afraid for Cambodia, everybody. Yeah, I'm afraid for Cambodia. Gaming. Okay. Oh, FIFA. I have, I'm huge, huge. I'm huge. I never lost some FIFA. You-- Let's play right now. Do we have it? I thought we did have it. At one point, we did. I don't know whose Xbox it was. It's been years. Yeah. Gaming. That's where they, where I still get that competitive love that is going, you know, from football. And how the same head games, are you talking shit? Yeah, yeah. Battlefield, Call of Duty, Mad Nobicy, and FIFA. New FIFA's coming out next week too. I'm excited. Mm-hmm. I'm excited. You ever play Street Fighter? No. I don't really like fighting games. I like Undisputed. Undisputed. A boxing game. Fuck that. Fuck that. Yeah, I'm like Street Fighter. Fuck that. I remember you. I remember. Fuck you. I remember Blanca. Who else, Street Fighter? Dazzlin. Yeah. And I just say, I look like him. You kind of look like those. Yeah, long arms. Yeah. Yeah. Damn, who else? Luke Hank? No, that's not what I'm about it. Ryu and Ken. Ryu and Ken, yeah. Sun Lee. I can't book yet. All of a sudden, you know, a lot about Street Fighter. Yeah, because I remember. I remember. You told me, I'm about arcade machines. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. And now 100 percent. October 16th in theaters. Yeah, he's in the New Street Fighter movie. You are? Yeah. Why don't you tell me? Well, 'cause I was trying to set you up and then you shit all over. Damn it. I'm glad. Hey, who are you? Are you Ken? I play Dan Tavicki. Hey, Vicki. Yeah, he's in a later version of the game. Oh, yeah? He was like a joke character that they made to make fun of another video game that ripped them off. He got like a pink key on. Yeah. Yeah. What's the pink key? Pink key is, uh, yeah, here he is. Look at this. Oh, like the outfit, the karate outfit, he wears. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Oh, shit, you had the pony tail too? Yeah. Did you fight anybody? I kind of get my ass kicked. You lost? They put that in the street? I can't give away the whole movie, man. But you got your ass kicked? Maybe. Who knows? You got to go see it. I'll go with 16. Okay, I'm going to check it out. There we go. There we go. Is it E Honda? Is that-- E Honda's in it? I remember E Honda. Do you know the game? No, that's it. Yeah, that's it. That's exactly it, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know the game. 'Cause now you-- Greatest fighting game on history. It started at all. Nothing happened. Greatest without Street Fighter. This is before second. Mortal Kombat? Before. Mike Tyson Puncher. Oh, shit. That ain't Nintendo. There we go. I don't know, but that was a bang, right? Like, like, like, like, like, like, like a fire, bro. It was always interesting that you had to fight Mike. At the end. But it's rare that, like, there's a video game based around somebody that you don't play as the main person. And you fight him at the end? Yeah, like, Mike was such a bad guy. They couldn't even make him the hero you play. He had to be the ultimate. Yeah, that's a good one. That's the game. It made sense. Did you feel like your Madden rating was off? No, it was, it was, it was fair. It was exactly what we were supposed to be. Yeah, really. Yeah. No, I gotta look. 'Cause let's see, sometimes, guys get upset about that. Oh, yeah, they do. Yeah. And they take it personal because, obviously, Madden ratings really reflects what you've done in real life. Yeah. 'Cause that's how we base everything off of. Yeah. You don't got to snitch. But you know how there was a little controversy going on in that NBA where like, you know, some people betting on games and doing little things. I mean, I saw some of that stuff. Did you see any of that ever happen to none of that? No, I wouldn't know. Didn't hear about any of you. No. No, like dead ass, no. It's harder to shave points than that I felt, though. Yeah, that's hard to do. There's no way to do that. In the NBA, it's very fucking 11 goddamn people. Yeah. Coast call in place. Yeah. 'Cause you can't control how often you're going to touch the ball. No. You can't. But like, you can use little prop bets. But you can take yourself out the game. That's true. Yeah. That's true. But it's always under pause. They also don't have guaranteed cuts. I think one player can't affect an NFL game except the quarterback, because he has the ball the most. - He's the only person. - Are you conditioned, you see some of the way that the like the offensive linemen protect the quarterback and like the way that they're held to a certain level of like a esteem? Is that exist throughout the entire locker room? Like does everybody understand, hey, our success is contingent on this guy and we gotta treat him with respect and we gotta protect him out there? - Yeah. - Or is that just a whole line? - You know that, you know, and then that's to be said though. - Oh really? - Yeah. - So if anybody who's ruffin' a quarterback, the whole team is like, yeah, yeah. - You don't test the quarterback though. In practice, you don't test the quarterback. In games, quarterback get hit. Where there's late, you always see a fucking scuffle. It's always funny. I like those scuffles. I used to get in them. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, he defended Carson? - Fuck yeah. (laughing) - Anyway, we gotta do your pod, man. So we gotta wrap this, man. We gotta do the late run. - Okay. - So we gotta wrap this up, but dude, thank you so much for being here, man. We appreciate you, dude. - Thank you, thank you so much. - Thank you, thank you. - We'll talk about best show. - Mm. - Yeah, bitch. (laughing) - Where's my camera? - Yeah, all right here. - All right here. - All right here. - Hey, yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - Mm. - Hey, I got one for you before we leave. - Go. - What did the avocado say to the nachos? - I keep that guacamole. (laughing) - The best part of this is how Shannon always tries to guess. (laughing) - The point is far. - Yeah. - It's the best, dude. It's like, Shannon, what did this thing say to this thing? He's like, "Mm, all right, let me do that." (laughing) - And there's always way off. - It's so awesome. - Yeah, it's so awesome. - It's so awesome. - Taco bowl. - No. (laughing) - Oh, Joe, thank you, everybody. - Thank you, man. (clapping)