Where Monsters Hide (Rebroadcast)

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Onko kokeiluja? - Onko kokeiluja? - Onko kokeiluja? <i>And no signs of forced entry or chaos.</i> <i>Absolutely not.</i> <i>Something happened to him.</i> <i>I knew that in my heart and I knew that my gut.</i> <i>He had another side to him.</i> <i>So immediately this is a lover's triangle.</i> <i>How many guys were you actually being in time?</i> <i>My husband, Eric and Chris.</i> <i>Not a loved triangle, but a loved quadrangle.</i> <i>How many something did I.?</i> <i>What happened to Chris Reagan?</i> <i>That's the stuff of horror movies.</i> <i>The Upper Peninsula is kind of its own little world.</i> <i>The Upper Peninsula is also known as the UP.</i> <i>People are Ubers.</i> <i>Yupers are unique people.</i> <i>The Upper Peninsula is separated by the Mackinnell Bridge.</i> <i>From Lower Michigan.</i> <i>It's in absolute, rural, forested, woodland,</i> <i>and kind of terrifying in its isolation.</i> <i>We can get windshield readings 30 below zero in the winter time.</i> <i>It looks like the Arctic sometimes.</i> <i>And, you know, you can kind of feel lost.</i> <i>One town in the Upper Peninsula is the small town of Iron River,</i> <i>which was named because of the local mining.</i> <i>Iron River, Michigan has population of about 3,000.</i> <i>With one stoplight in their town.</i> <i>My name is Laura Prizo and I'm the former police chief of Iron River.</i> <i>And also the first female police chief</i> <i>actually to serve in the entire Upper Peninsula.</i> <i>It was a lot of double takes when I first started,</i> <i>with some of the old timers who were like,</i> <i>what's going on here.</i> <i>The people of Iron River are really good-hearted people, accepting.</i> <i>But I think when someone new comes to the area,</i> <i>they're a little skeptical at first,</i> <i>and they take their time to make sure</i> <i>that you're worthy of being included</i> <i>into their little circle.</i> <i>One of those outsiders who came</i> <i>to live in Iron River was 51-year-old Chris Reagan.</i> <i>We had to actually go up and buy him all new clothes,</i> <i>what he called his super clothes,</i> <i>because he had city clothes.</i> <i>Tario Donald was an old flame of Chris Reagan,</i> <i>and the two had recently rekindled the romance.</i> <i>He decided that he was gonna</i> <i>move to Iron River</i> <i>so that we could be closer together.</i> <i>It was a whirlwind.</i> <i>I was so in love with him.</i> <i>Christopher and I used to come down</i> <i>out Apple Blossom Trail</i> <i>and walk around the river.</i> <i>We'd sit, listening to the water,</i> <i>just enjoy time together.</i> [music] <i>So when Chris moved to Iron River,</i> <i>he got a job at a manufacturing company</i> <i>called the Olven Bird Group.</i> <i>Christ was very meticulous about things.</i> <i>Probably one of our best team leaders</i> <i>that we had.</i> <i>He was actually holding people accountable.</i> <i>Christ was former military</i> <i>and had a reputation as a reliable worker.</i> <i>So it came as a bit of a surprise</i> <i>when he didn't show up for his job.</i> <i>That was October 14th.</i> <i>I sent a message to Chris.</i> <i>You know, we haven't heard from you.</i> <i>Is everything okay?</i> <i>Christ had missed two days</i> <i>and one of my team leaders</i> <i>came forward and told me,</i> <i>that Chris had applied for another position,</i> <i>and he's moving to North Carolina.</i> <i>You know, if he was doing long hours</i> <i>for a pretty demanding company</i> <i>then maybe he'd just said enough of that.</i> <i>Yeah, after three days</i> <i>no call, no show</i> <i>is termination.</i> <i>Remarkably, two whole weeks had gone by</i> <i>and no one had heard from Chris.</i> <i>That's when Terry decides to go to the police.</i> <i>By this time, the two had broken up,</i> <i>but they remained close friends</i> <i>and talked regularly.</i> <i>I saw this vehicle pull up</i> <i>and parking front of the police department.</i> <i>And I saw this woman get out of the vehicle</i> <i>and she was crying.</i> <i>And she said that her friend was missing.</i> <i>I was shaking, I had tears.</i> <i>What was that interaction like</i> <i>when you first encountered Terry O'Donnell?</i> <i>She was very upset.</i> <i>You know, clearly she knew</i> <i>something wasn't right,</i> <i>because she knew him very well.</i> <i>Chief Frizo sent Sergeant Cindy Barrett</i> <i>to investigate.</i> <i>First stop, Chris Reagan's apartment.</i> <i>Terry O'Donnell's parents</i> <i>are landlords to Chris Reagan.</i> <i>So, Terry had access via key</i> <i>from her parents.</i> <i>This doesn't look like Chris is apartment now.</i> <i>It's all dishevels.</i> <i>But he was</i> <i> always daring, and everything</i> <i>was always put away.</i> <i>There was evidence</i> <i>that he was in the process</i> <i>of packing up to move</i> <i>to his new job.</i> <i>There's packing boxes.</i> <i>And on the bed</i> <i>there was suitcases.</i> <i>There was papers there</i> <i>for his new job.</i> <i>So, not a guy who's</i> <i>running away.</i> <i>Absolutely not.</i> <i>And no signs</i> <i>of forced entry or chaos.</i> <i>Not at all.</i> <i>In fact, he had a list</i> <i>started things</i> <i>that he wanted</i> <i>to get ready for his move.</i> <i>On the dining table</i> <i>we're legal pads</i> <i>with two lists</i> <i>like a power company</i> <i>and shut the power up.</i> <i>It really started</i> <i>the bottoming</i> <i>that something was</i> <i>very, very wrong.</i> <i>Now it was a window</i> <i>left open.</i> <i>It was a window</i> <i>left open.</i> <i>It appeared</i> <i>that he had</i> <i>left department</i> <i>with full intentions</i> <i>of returning.</i> <i>Something happened.</i> <i>I knew that</i> <i>in my heart</i> <i>and I knew that my gut.</i> <i>And I said</i> <i>we were going to</i> <i>go out and we're gonna</i> <i>check the car.</i> <i>And when we're done with that</i> <i>I will enter</i> <i>Christre again</i> <i>as a missing person</i> <i>in the national database.</i> <i>From there</i> <i>they went to the park</i> <i>and arrived</i> <i>where Terry</i> <i>had seen Chris' car</i> <i>abandon for days.</i> <i>Christre for a long time.</i> <i>Christre for his</i> <i>hundeen</i> <i>genesis</i> <i>his vehicle</i> <i>was there.</i> <i>And that was his baby.</i> <i>He took such</i> <i>good care of it.</i> <i>And so it didn't make</i> <i>sense to me</i> <i>that it was at the park and</i> <i>ride.</i> <i>When Sergeant Bear went</i> <i>to take a look at the car,</i> <i>she found you know</i> <i>a couple things in the car</i> <i>like his knee brace</i> <i>that he should have been wearing.</i> <i>That is knee brace?</i> <i>Yeah.</i> <i>He normally wear the knee brace.</i> <i>And I understand in the car</i> <i>there was an intriguing</i> <i>post-it note.</i> <i>Yeah, she found like a post-it note</i> <i>that was flipped upside down</i> <i>on the passenger side.</i> <i>We didn't know at first</i> <i>what was written on it</i> <i>and what it would</i> <i>come to mean later.</i> <i>Christre for always</i> <i>wrote things down on post-its.</i> -Posin. -Kiitoksia. and I know it had directions on it. And I told her that wherever those directions went to, that was the last place he was. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) This is believed to be the last known video of Chris Reagan. He's caught on a surveillance camera at a gas station on the afternoon of October 14th, 2014. (upbeat music) Leading up the investigation into Reagan's disappearance is a new, inexperienced chief of police, Laura Frizzo. She is a leader in a profession in the upper peninsula where there aren't a lot of female leaders. How many people on the force? Four full time. She truly cared and she truly wanted to solve this. As chief Frizzo investigates Chris Reagan's disappearance, she discovers that he had dated multiple women in his short time in Iron River and some of those relationships overlapped. I dated Chris Reagan back in 2013 from around May till the end of October, for about six months. He would always send me a text weekly. He was very suave, very sweet, charismatic, just kinda knew how to make you feel good. As far as Terry O'Donnell knew, she thought that she was in an exclusive relationship with Chris and this behavior came as a real shock to her. I asked him why he was doing that and he said, well, you're gonna be gone to Europe for three weeks. What happens if I get lonely? So sadly to say, I broke it off of him. When chief Frizzo digs deeper into Chris' life, she discovers another woman he'd been dating, a 33 year old co-worker. By the name of Kelly Cochran. - Neither one of us were all in. It was never going to be because I was married. - She was an employee at Oldenburg. Chris was actually involved in her hiring. Kelly was also new to town and I think they bonded over that, being too city-folk in this small town. - I would go over to Chris' life and usually cook and then, I mean, we were intimate and then usually I would leave. (soft music) - That post-it note found inside Chris' car at this parking ride could have led to any one of his girlfriend's homes. Turns out it was Kelly Cochran's. - Chief Frizzo had told me to go and interview Kelly Cochran to see if she had any information asked to the whereabouts of Chris Reagan and man came out. - It's high-starry you, Kelly Cochran's husband and he said yes. I said, "Is Kelly home?" And he says, "No, Kelly's not home." I don't know where she is and shortly thereafter, this woman comes out. I asked her if she was Kelly. She said, "Yes, I'm Kelly." It's not unusual for a husband or a wife to say, "No, he's not here." That is very common. I was actually surprised she came out. So I said, "Your husband aware of your relationship with Chris Reagan?" And she says, "Oh, yes, he's fine with it." - Jason Cochran is standing there just stoically not saying a word, just like a statue. No emotion. She says, "I figured Chris left for North Carolina without saying goodbye to me." So I told her, I said, "We were wondering what the car was at the park and ride." And Kelly Cochran said, "In the past tense, he loved that car." And Sergeant Barr called me afterwards and said, "I found that to be very chilling and odd that she said, past tense, he loved that car." Because of her tiny department's limited resources, Chief Rizzo asked for help from the Michigan State Police. They sent two detectives who questioned the Cochran's the very next day. I'll tell you guys in advance, I see a therapist for high anxiety. - I'm listening to Jason Cochran's interview with the detective, he immediately, I mean, there's no questions asked even yet. And he's like, "I just want to let you know that I haven't been doing too well lately." - I've actually been institutionalized a little over a month ago. So, okay, you know, I've seen him like and didn't bond up, I do see a therapist for it. Lost a close friend, the breast represents. - If you think that's what caused all your issues, - A huge part of it. - Yeah. - And you're wrong knowing that my mayor spoke the part. - So you were very much aware of what Kelly was doing. - I either had to accept it or to let her go. So I decided that I could at least accept it for a little while and see if it's, you know, she really wanted us to not be with me and I was going to let her go. - Kelly, right? - Yes, Kelly, Kelly, out, out, wide. - When Kelly came in for her interview, the one thing I noticed about her right out of the gate was her ability to control her body language. - Kelly, so everything you know, the ball crutch, they actually got pretty close to the last four months, okay? Like a best friend. Did you have an intimate relationship with him? - Okay. - And obviously your husband knows that he knows you know too much. - She was leading forward. She had eye contact and her voice was calm and collected the whole time. - One of the last time you saw Chris, I would say between the 12th and the 15th of the last time I saw him. - Where did you see him? - I see him at his apartment, I think. - Was Jason upset about that? - No. - Kelly, she would be looking at Jason. - I don't see why you were. - Well, I'll tell you why. - Because husbands get jealous and understand them. - What do you think would have hurt Chris? I don't think anybody would have hurt him. I would like to know what happened as well. That's my unwilling to be here. I'm a good person. - Despite the love triangle between the Cochran's and Chris Reagan, there's still no evidence of any crime being committed. But Chief Frizzo still suspects that Reagan's disappearance might be the results of foul play. - Frizzo and her small team continued pressing on and they quickly learned that Kelly also had multiple relationships including a gentleman who also worked at the Oldenburg Group. Kelly was dating another employee there by the name of Eric Erickson. - Eric's supervisor was Chris Reagan. - So now police are wondering could Eric have been upset enough to have harmed Chris? How would you feel about taking a polygraph test to prove that you didn't have anything to do with Chris's parents? - As Chief Laura Frizzo is investigating the disappearance of Chris Reagan, she discovers evidence of not a love triangle but a love quadrangle. Even though Kelly Cochran is married to Jason, she is having an affair with Chris and another co-worker, Eric Erickson. - Eric Erickson was hired as military assembler. Eric was a good employee, he showed up, he was dependable. - Eric was a suspect. Could he have done something to Chris because he was angry and jealous and outraged so it was important to eliminate him? - There was a point with the participation of the Michigan State Police Detectives where I think they wanted to take more of a lead in the case and then handle it. - There was no warning, it was just basically like, hey Laura said, they wanna talk to you and the next thing I know, they're coming at night pulling up in my driveway, telling me getting the car. - Thanks for coming, would you like to discuss that with us? - Yeah. - Yeah. - She wanted me to go all the way there a couple times. Like, at night, I think for me it was kind of fun. My first, whatever, I had moved back here and I didn't know anybody. And having somebody give me some attention was, I like, I like this. - Hi. - Those two, I still have the full text message. - I said, yeah, here, take a look at my phone. This is our conversations that we've had. - Sorry. - When I looked at his conversations with Kelly, there was a point in time where he got very irritated with her and it was the week before. Chris went missing. - There was a time where we went down to the lake and we were gonna have just a couple beers. While your phone was going off, right? And I'm like, you know, somebody's really trying to get old here, who is it? And she said that it's Chris, you know? - So maybe he was the jealous lover. Yes, and I did think that it could happen. The next step for Erickson, a polygraph, or a so-called lie detector test. - How would you feel about taking a polygraph test just to prove that you didn't have anything to do with Chris's experience? - Yep, I told him I would do that too. - I scheduled a polygraph for him. We went over everything. - Yeah, I totally, I totally understand. - Also, the door goes clicked in Watson, you know, the officer and he goes, you passed and I was like, [BLANK_AUDIO] - I did. So, (chuckles) - And because of the alibi that he had did check out, I was able to put him to the side and focus more on the caucas as the suspects. - So as you're doing your sort of criminal profiles, what made Jason a potential suspect in your mind? - Jason really had motive. You know, he was the husband who was being cheated on. - Sergeant Erich has kind of been on hockey roads for a little while. - The story that I had gotten from Kelly was that they were separated, however, still living under the same roof. - What I came to learn about this marriage was that it had been in trouble for a while. Kelly, you know, was living a life of a single person. She was constantly running around with different men. - There were times when she came all about 130, didn't know where she was at, and I didn't really want to know how I had to say it. - You kind of understand why you're here. - All right, yeah. I think so. You know what I mean? There's somebody that's missing. I'm gonna guess that I'm probably the challenge hospital. - As police start going through Jason's text messages, they seem to reveal how Jason really feels about being cheated on. He doesn't seem happy at all. Texting her, I cannot take it. And you promised me you would stop. Was that a lie also? - It wasn't long before Chris went missing. Jason found himself down by Chris's apartment and telling her, don't go to those apartments again, you're a married woman. - The guy in the cast says I was not the only guy trying to date you. Please don't go back to those apartments. You are married. - You have been to see you confront you about the time when you sitting on a walk and you thought you were trying to perpetrate your person's apartment. - You didn't mention that, you know? What did you say? Did you see my truck there? - Which sounds almost like stalking behavior. - Right. So I'm thinking, okay, he's now put himself in a position where he's made contact with Chris Regan. I thought, you know, maybe he snapped. - Things had boiled over and Jason needed to go and get some help. - Jason's admission to the mental hospital was two days after Mr. Regan went missing. - Chief Frizzo now has some serious suspicion that Jason Cochrane's got something to do with Chris Regan's disappearance. - It started to get close to the holidays. Thanksgiving was approaching. - And then out of the blue, Chief Frizzo gets a phone call that takes her by a complete surprise. - And when I pick up the phone, the boy's on the other end said, "Hi, this is Chris Regan." 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I would stop in and check with Laura and just ask her how things are going. And then she'd say, "I was thinking about you." Laura was very dedicated to the case. She knew that Chris had sons who wanted closure, and she wanted to be able to get that closure for them. I was in the office, and I got a phone call. And when I picked up the phone, the voice on the other end said, "Hi, this is Chris Reagan." And I almost dropped the phone because I thought, "Oh, yeah, where have you been?" And he said, "Junior, this is his son." And it was really a sad for me to hear his voice. It was even harder for me meeting him in person. Chris Jr. is on his way to Iron River with his brother to clean out their father's apartment. The first time I went to Iron River to clean out his apartment and stuff like that was not fun. I didn't know what to do or where to start. It just was heartbreaking. They were young. They were lost. They didn't know what to do, where to go. She knew that Chris was a veteran, and that his military service was something he was really proud of. So she wanted to make sure that his son got his dog tags, which they recovered from his apartment. I went to hand him to him, and he told me, "I think you should just keep them with you." I carried those dog tags in my pocket every day. This is a complicated case, and the Iron River Police Department is small, just four people. And as a result of that, people offered their help. So you think these profile questions are pretty good. Jim McNeill and Molly Barron work together as private investigators, and we got together after being introduced by a high school friend of mine, like a mutual friend. I feel it as a tight community where everybody seems to know each other. And especially if you have a missing person, that's concerning to the community. As of where we're from, we just don't have missing people like that. We're not going to not do anything when somebody is missing. It was at this point where the prosecutor was ready to sign the search warrant for the Cochran residents. So Molly and Jim show up at my office, and I'm like, "Oh, well, as a matter of fact, I said, I'm going to be doing a search warrant there tomorrow." On March 16, 2015, Chief Fruzzo goes to the Cochran's house with the long-awaited search warrant, accompanied by those two private investigators. Hi, you're a little crazy dog. The dogs were just going crazy in there, like just barking, barking, barking. Good to you, dogs. We were in the home, and Kelly's home is pretty creepy, it really was. I think Molly and I brought you know a lot of experience there to her to assist her with the search warrant. I've never worked with a PI like that before. That was my first experience. This is a little unorthodox. It is, and I was kind of concerned about it when it first happened because I'm kind of a control freak, and I didn't want anyone messing around, but it actually worked out to our advantage. Hi, Jason. How are you doing? I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Okay. One of the first things you want to be very careful of is weapons. Do you have any weapons in the home? Not on them. I've got a 22 under there to be able to reach right in again. Then you immediately go to these weapons and secure them. Central 200 were secure, and they had all kinds of weapons that were like all over the place. But that's not illegal, you know. Jason had a fetish with knives, swords, things like that, and he had a lot of them that were found and collected during the search warrant. It was the kind of arsenal you see in a movie. He had swords, crossbows, everywhere you go and at home, you can put your hands on something tangible and use it as a weapon. That was a very eerie feeling. Do you want a jacket or something? Typically, you don't allow the residents to stay in the house, they're going to have to leave. You guys aren't going to turn the computer off, are you? No. Okay. Is there something on there you don't want to? she's working out sometimes, okay. It happened to be one of the coldest mornings of the winter. It was like zero. (dog barking) As soon as you walk into the home, there's like a punch hole of some sort through the door. And the door frame was awry. It was cracked or something. - At that point, Laura calls the crime lab, hey, let's get the crime lab here. And we're standing there for quite a while, waiting for that crime lab. - So we're just standing there waiting and I looked up. (crowd chattering) - Is that what you said? - Yeah, there's a pain in it. - And something caught my eye and I looked it again and I kind of stepped to the side and I looked it again. The ceiling was white, but there was these certain spots up there, so I finally said something to Jim and then Jim looked up and looked at it and immediately it was like, ooh. To the private investigators, those spots on the ceiling look suspiciously like painted over blood. It's like a splatter pattern. And she said, yeah, we've done remodeling and replaced some ceiling piles. That's probably where the castoff is. (laughing) - It could have happened right here. - It's already dark by the time the crime lab unit gets there. - Tell me something, you guys. - Okay, well, what's up in here? We got a positive reaction with the lumenol on the ceiling here. - They bring in lumenol, which is a chemical that detects the presence of blood. - Right here, I know it's something overacted here in this area. - They did get a positive reaction from that area above the doorway, where it looked like something that happened right under the door and kind of spread as it went back on the ceiling. - And they said that they got a positive reaction from that. I'm thrilled, I'm thrilled, I'm sorry. - We had finished the search warrant at approximately 10 o'clock at night, so it's late. - Investigators think that they have uncovered a goal line of evidence against the caulchrons until something shocking happens the next day. - I got a phone call from one of the neighbors from the mornings that I just want to let you know that they totally loaded up their truck in the skip town. - The caulchrons have disappeared. (upbeat music) - Cheeked it. - Tell me something you guys. - You found a couple areas of interest. - Excellent. - When investigators get the warrant to search the caulchrons home, they find a litany of disturbing items, including battle axes, crossbows, daggers and knives, a shotgun, a 22 caliber pistol. But more important than that is what appears to be blood span. - We got a positive reaction with the woman all. - You're telling me that's blood, right? - We haven't confirmed it yet. - It was looking pretty good that they were gonna get some positive results back. - At this point in the investigation, chief frizzo feels like she's got a lot of evidence on the caulchrons. Until the very next morning, she gets a call from one of the neighbors. - And that neighbor calls in the morning and said, "I just want to let you know that they totally loaded up their truck in the skip town." So I knew this was happening. - What was your reaction? - I was worried a little bit just because I was the one that was kind of the thorn in their side. And so I wanted to be sure they weren't gonna let you know look for me or come over and find me. - Todd and David Sailor, the neighbors who reported the caulchrons missing, are brought in for questioning. They tell police about another very interesting detail. They say they observed around the time of Chris Reagan's disappearance. - According to David, the caulchrons started renovating their house, but not during the day, he could hear them in their basement using power tools from multiple nights. - Did I ever heard that using these standing children's stuff and you figured that was when? - Right on October. Standing away, you said, "Yeah, I'm standing in the recent case of. " - What's going on? - And they were doing it at eye time. - No, I'm fine. - No, I'm a two, three and a one of you heard them all night. One, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one. - And so what went through your mind when you heard that? - The worst thing imaginable. And I thought, you know, I can't, I can't be, but at the same time with what they're telling me, it makes sense. - That's the stuff of horror movies. - Yeah. - Also seemingly out of a horror movie, a chilling discovery. She, forza, later makes inside the Cochrane's basement, a journal written by Jason. - And he had titled it, Where Monsters Hide. Then he goes on to talking about being a hunter and how the hunter hunts the prey and feels this tingle through their body. And it's, it's kind of eerie. Almost like he was writing about this situation. - It's almost like a thinly veiled confession. - Yes, it just again pointed into the direction of definitely this couple had something to do with his disappearance. And definitely Jason could have snapped. - Chief Forza is sure that the lab results from those blood samples taken from the house will prove that Chris was brutally murdered there. But she's in for a bitter disappointment. When they called me and said, you know, we didn't get anything. And they weren't good samples or had been treated with chemicals or whatever the case may be. And I remember just being so upset about that. You know, it was mentally drained a lot. - With her main suspects now gone into the wind, the case seems to have hit a dead end. But then there's a break. It turns out that on the night before the Cochrane's left town, those private investigators had put a tracking device on the Cochrane's truck, which is legal for PIs to do in the state of Michigan. - What made you put the GPS tracker on? - Well, we were hoping that they would go to where the body was. - That's one of the most dangerous moments in the whole investigation I feel is deploying the GPS unit because of the risk of danger. - What does that danger look like? What does that feel like? - Like somebody coming out with the shot gun and shooting us on the spot. - Okay, good. - Ready? - Yeah. - Right next to that spare tire is the back frame of the vehicle and as I get closer, just suck it right out of my hand and, you know, you hear the loud bang. It's an exciting moment, you know, you can feel your heart beating through your chest. There's a lot of things that could go wrong at that moment in time. - I'd talk to Jim McNeill and he said, we put a GPS device on the truck and I need to tell you that. - And I immediately did a search warrant for their GPS information so that we knew where the popcorns were and what was going on. - We monitored the GPS movement all through exiting the upper peninsula of Michigan, through their state of Wisconsin, the top part of Illinois there in Indiana, and then they ended up nearby within the whole bar area and sure enough, you know, we located them. They were back at Kelly's parents' house in Hover. - Chief Rizzo wants to get DNA samples from Kelly and Jason Cochran, but they're no longer in her jurisdiction. So she contacts the Lake County Sheriff's Department in Indiana. - When I spoke with her, we made a connection on the phone. She gave me all the reasons that she believed that this was a criminal case and yeah, I believed her. We told Jason that we had a search warrant for his DNA and we needed to transport him to the Hover Police Department. He did not say a word the entire time. He was just sitting in the back of the car, shaking and sweating and like ringing his hands together. - He's sitting in a room waiting to give his DNA swab and then he gets the surprise of a lifetime. (dramatic music) - Looked up at me and his face just started to turn red immediately. That was a shock to his system, I'm sure. And my whole plan was to try and give him the opportunity to be the victim and to tell me what happened to Chris. - You're begging, begging your wife to touch you and cheated on you. Do you remember telling her, "If you ever loved me, you'd ask that my wife." It says right in your mouth, it says, "Junkle back to the Department." You're a variable man. Do you ever say that? - Oh, true. - Well, I really feel like answering any questions. So I feel like you've probably been my constitutional rights and I'm on the lawyer. - Also, can I get your DNA? - In the meantime, actually Kelly is just calling. She knows something's up. She's calling Jason's phone over and over again. When Kelly Cochran saw Laura Frizzo, you could tell that seemed to be her nemesis. - So Jane's gonna be here for the white of the wild. And it's a wild. So as I started to leave the room to get to the technicians to take her DNA she said where's my husband? I'm just going to look back at her because I had kind of fed her a line that you know Jason's already told us everything we already know what happened. What Laura effectively does is create distrust between the couple and come February of 2016 that distrust is going to implode the Cochrane household. The 911 call from Kelly Cochrane comes in that could unravel the mystery of what happened to Chris Reagan. We have one of the most sensational murders but very few people have actually heard about this case, some really heinous and atrocious crimes. So what made you call the FBI? I found the flyer on Chris Reagan being missing. And on this call my instincts were just yelling at me that something's not right with the scene. What makes the Caspian pit such an excellent place to hide evidence? I remember I was actually found by the divers just off shore here. And back in these woods and even more important discovered. I'm trying to figure out what's the best way to get somebody to tell you a secret that only they know. It's almost like the two of them were having a chess game, absolutely. I think she wanted to play the game. You are basically having to convince Kelly that her dead husband was sending a message from beyond the grave. And the reason this case is so engaging, it's the amount of police video that's available. It's amazing. The Kelly Cochrane case is just the biggest case we've had, maybe ever. And I was like, lie, lie, lie, truth, lie, lie, lie, lie, truth. You gotta figure it out. The end of 2014, there was a missing man in the Iron River area. He wasn't found. Chris Reagan is missing and it is a mystery. Police Chief Laura Frizzo discovers that Reagan is romantically tied to a married co-worker, Kelly Cochrane. She and her husband, Jason, are brought in for questioning. Jason really had motive. He was the husband who was being cheated on. But as soon as he's in front of police, he falls apart. He's shaking and he's fumbling over his words. I actually institutionalized over a month ago where I get a really flustered in that. Okay. When Laura and her team searched the Cochrane's home, they find a lit me of weapons from battle axes to shotguns. They find this blood spatter and they find a manuscript written by Jason called "Where Monsters Hide." The manuscript is this essentially fantasy driven tale of an overlooked man and it has various accounts of him and his wife killing people and includes one that almost perfectly mirrors what happened with Chris Reagan. So at this point, investigators think that they have uncovered a gold mine of evidence against the Cochrane's. Until something shocking happens the next day, the Cochrane's have now disappeared. When Jason and Kelly Cochrane fled their home in Michigan's Upper Peninsula back in March of 2015, private investigators were already tracking their movements using a hidden GPS device. The final destination, their hometown of Hobart, Indiana. Kelly and Jason were neighbors. They lived next door to each other all their lives. I was trying to do what I thought was the right thing. You go to school, you go to college, you didn't marry. Kelly wore the pants in the family, so whatever she wanted, Jason did. I got bored from getting married. It was okay at the start, but all I did was work. She was wanting to help get their business up and running and make more money. Even though the Cochrane's are now out of her jurisdiction, Chief Frizzo continues to investigate Chris Reagan's disappearance. She's now focused on a place known as the Caspian Pit. She enlists the help of a former police investigator, Michael Niger. Well, it's deep, and also it's within a couple hundred meters before the Cochrane's lived and be very easy to get to in the dark and drop something. Were you able to dredge up a burn barrel? Was that here? Yes, a burn barrel was actually found by the divers just offshore here. There was a clothesline attached to this burn barrel with a cement block to it to wait it down. We found cement blocks in the backyard of Cochrane's and the actual clothesline, which was missing. I think the implication was that perhaps Kelly and Jason were burning Chris's body or parts of it at least. I was out in my garage and what in the heck's that smell? And I walked across the street here and she came running out of her yard and met me in the middle of the street. I said, "What the hell are you burning?" And she said, "I'm burning some brush shocker." I said, "Look, I lived up here in my whole life. I never smelled nothing like that." The Cochrane's had a fire pit and there was a burn barrel that had been there. Once we sifted through that fire pit ash, we found a saw blade. We found the components to a pair of jeans, which was quite significant. We felt confident that this was likely their burn barrel. However, there was nothing in it, obviously. I mean, it was open in the pit and anything that wasn't it would have washed out. Why did you need to get rid of it? So, that was my validation, anyway, that we were on the right track. But then, in February of 2016, back in Hobart, Indiana, there's a truly shocking development that's about to upend the entire case. A 911 call coming from the house where the Cochrane's are living. Wait, county 911, operator 17. My husband, this is like, well, he's breathing barely. I don't know what time he's throwing up, he's sweating. I need an ambulance, anyway. Kelly calls 911. Kelly calls 911 and says, you know, I need the ambulance here. My husband's barely breathing. You said he's breathing? You have to call me breathing? I'm just calling my instincts for just yelling at me that something's not right with this scene. She seemed to kind of conveniently get in our way a lot and she just didn't seem to have the proper reaction to finding her husband, you know, in cardiac arrest. I'm panicking like I'm trying to, you know, be as some youth as much as I didn't want him in my life. I didn't want him dead. Jason Cochrane, unfortunately, was pronounced dead in the emergency room at St. Mary's. After Jason died, Kelly reached out to his friend Walt to let him know that Jason had passed. And Walt was immediately concerned. Kelly's tone was very strange. Everything about it felt abrupt and staged. And with encouragement from his wife, Walt called the FBI. I found the flyer on Chris Regan being missing and it had two numbers on there, the iron river police and the FBI. So I figured somebody should know that Jason's dead. Do you remember what you told the FBI? I told them that I have some friends that lived in the U.P. They told me they're suspects and one of them died Saturday. The FBI routes the call to the proper jurisdiction and it lands on the desk of Hobart Detective Sergeant Jeremy Ogden. Jeremy Ogden had a reputation as an amazing investigator. Jeremy was known as a master interviewer. I've never received a call like that before. I knew that I needed to make sure that Jason wasn't being taken to a funeral home rather than going for an autopsy. It's not every day that a detective attends an autopsy. And so what did you learn in that particular one? I learned that, you know, Jason had particular hemorrhaging around his eyes within the whites of his pupils. And what is that point to? Pressure and suffocation. The autopsy results lead Ogden to take a deep dive into Kelly Cochran's background and Chris Regan's disappearance. So he connects with Chief Laura Frizzo from IR River. And then ultimately Laura sent me all of the documents and the videos. Immediately I knew that this was going to work. out well because he was on the same page, his thoughts, his words. It was like oh my gosh, somebody else gets it, he gets it, he's thinking like I do and that's rare. What follows is a cat mouse game between Detective Ogden and Kelly Cochran. As Ogden hatches a truly bizarre scheme to get Kelly to open up about what really happened to Chris Reagan. He decides to make a carving on the tree that will really freak her out when she sees it. I thought maybe she would see it as a sign from the dead or maybe even something supernatural. And then he goes to the front end and goes to the back of the tree. When the shopkeeper was on the tree, he was on the tree with his own head. He was on the tree with his head on his head and we can see the shopkeeper. He was on the tree with his head on his head. Olen Schennen-Maldenado, the founder of the Artesan Institute of Technology, has been working on the development of the project. He was a shopkeeper for the development of the project, and he was also an expert in the development of the project. He was the first to work in the development of the project, and he was the first to work in the development of the project. At this point, Jeremy Ogden is now leading the investigation into the Cochran's. I'm running the case, and I'm doing all the things that I think are necessary. Detective Ogden has what will be the first of many interrogations with Kelly Cochran at the Hobart Police Station, following her husband, Jason's death. What are you doing? What are you doing? I'm easy thinking to go through. Kelly has a lot to say about what happened to Jason, but when the conversation turns to Chris Reagan, not so much. I'm not trying to push you. I'm not at all. I just want to take a while. I just want to be the same, something I didn't do. I didn't say you did anything. I said, "By the time this is done, you'll tell me what happened to Chris." He said, "Here's Draco, I need you before he got here." Detective Ogden starts talking with Kelly and building a relationship with her. That relationship building involves several conversations that Jeremy recorded undercover, including at a local restaurant. You can begin the next chapter of your life. There's only one way for you to do this, though. And then it's only for some us. I think she wanted to see whether or not I was going to be a worthy adversary. And I think she wanted to play the game. Almost like the two of them were having a chess game. Absolutely, yeah. And I come up with this idea about a fake letter. Detective Ogden calls Jason's friend Walt Amerman and tells him he wants him to be part of this plan to catch Kelly Cocker. What he wanted Walt to do was become an actor. They were going to have him call Kelly from a parked car to talk about this letter. It is March 12, 2016 at 4.38pm. He's going to be calling Kelly Cocker. You wanted me to call her and tell her that I had a letter that Jason had mailed me. But it's not true. There is no letter. This is all made up for one purpose to see what Kelly Cocker's reaction would be. I got a letter like January 4th or 5th or something like that from him. You were basically having to convince Kelly that her dead husband was sending a message from beyond the grave. That he felt or knew that she likely was going to do something to him. The note says if something were to happen to me, please send this in a few weeks to the Iron River Police Department. It's like I'm supposed to mailed this, but I just wanted to tell you. Please don't. She says please don't mail it. I don't know. And right then I knew he got her. Yeah, hook line and sinker. And what did that tell you? Told me I did the right thing. But that wasn't your only chest mood. You had another trick up your sleeve. Which was a tree and a carving? Yeah. The tree's over there? Yeah, the tree's right over there. And I had watched her several times there. He's actually been following Kelly Cochrane. She doesn't know this. And Detective Ogden knows that Kelly goes to this one park all the time and is by a certain tree. She would just come and she would sit on that log. And there was a couple times where I thought she was even crying. So he decides to make a carving on the tree that will really freak her out when she sees it. And what he carves into the tree is Chris is here. I thought maybe she would see it as a sign from the dead or maybe even something supernatural and just generate her to talk to me even more. It's not exactly the way they teach it the police academy. No. All I saw were her running through the woods. And then all of a sudden the truck backed out and she took out. That's the night that she decides to tell me everything. You watched him die. Right? Where did he shoot him in his body? He didn't die. He died. You don't know. He died in the state. You caught Chris in your arms. This is huge. For the first time, Kelly's admitting Chris was murdered. Chris is lying in your house shot. You told me. And then he died quickly. Correct? She says that Jason shot Chris. Her portion is being forced to help clean up. I'm the victim. My husband was abusive. I had no choice. I couldn't. I couldn't tell anybody or he'd kill me too. What happened to Chris? What happened to Jason? What do you mean by downside? What did he do with Chris? I don't know. I remember her words being he downsized him. And it just made my stomach turn. That was the first time she admitted not only had Chris been murdered but that he'd been dismembered. Correct. And she goes on to give a very specific detail that will come into play later. She claims that Jason forced her to pull the bullet out of Chris's body with a pair of forceps. Why not arrest her? You have to understand. I put her in a position to play the victim. She had to do all of these things under duress. And that's how she's going to be able to disclose other information so that we can recover Chris Reagan. But you know where to put pieces. Yes. You're going to go with me, okay? We're going to go. He says we're going to miss chicken. You're going to show us where the body is. Detective Ogden and Kelly drive all night. He is counting on her to help him. But will she? With her it was like, lie, lie, lie, truth. Lie, truth, lie, lie, lie, truth. It's the middle of the night. Kelly Cochran is driving with Detective Jeremy Ogden back to the upper peninsula of Michigan to show him where she and her husband Jason buried Chris's remains. Driving up there with her, it was interesting. I mean, she did what most people do after they tell you their deepest, darkest secret. She slept. They drive all night. They leave at midnight. They get tired and remember, you know, at like seven in the morning. It's just miles and miles. miles of trees and rolling hills. You could literally go to a place here where nobody else had ever been. Pretty easy to hide a body. Yeah. It's weird how beautiful it is, and at the same time, eerie. So as I'm following them, they go down to this one particular area. We're just like on a flat, straight spot in the road. And she's like, it's right here. And there are other police officers there to search the area, but they find nothing. So the question is, did Kelly get the spot wrong? Or is Kelly lying? Detective Ogden then asked Kelly to show him around her house where the murder happened. I wanted her to explain to me what happened to Chris. And how he died. And then we'll go upstairs, and we'll run it all the way down. And it for all beyond film. She started to take me upstairs. This was your room, Kelly? Yes. She told you basically that they had had sex upstairs. Right? There were some kind of sex involved. You and him ended up up here in this room. Can you take me? I'm a fortune to get in. You know, it's like you can see your mind working. Whatever story she was going to tell me was going to have to match the physical evidence that we may or may not discover. She takes him back downstairs and says, you know, actually it happened out here in the hallway in this back hallway. You were having sex right here. Okay. So she says that once they're done, Chris starts to walk up the stairs into the kitchen and Jason, unbeknownst to her, shoots him from the basement. You're telling me that Jason shot him from behind. And that Chris falls back on her and that they both tumble down the stairs. Is he still on top of you when you get to the bottom? Is he, are you actually under him? Yeah. Okay. With her, it was like, lie, lie, lie, truth. Lie, truth, lie, lie, truth. You got to figure it out. What's Jason saying to you? Nothing. It is something. As incriminating as all this is, Detective Ogden is sure she isn't telling the whole truth. You continue that conversation back in Indiana. Yeah. Hours and hours of conversation. Yeah. There's over a hundred hours. What do you believe? Again, it's all recorded under cover. What don't I believe? I'm not sure. I'm not sure with you. His communication with her really picked up speed back in Indiana 'cause he's now determined. I'll meet her at a park. I've sat down to a restaurant with her. I only have one goal. It's to bring Chris home. Detective Ogden believes that the more they talk, the more likely Kelly is to slip up. And if she slips up, she may just leave them to Chris Regan's body. Okay, I'm just saying, here she is. You're not. He's right in the ground. I know. I know. I know. It seems like Kelly kind of wanted to be playing with Detective Ogden the sort of cat and mouse game. You have to understand that there are things that you've said throughout this that would cause concern, okay? In changes and variations of your story. She continues to maintain throughout all these hundreds of hours that she's the victim. It's always my husband forced me to do this. You have said that you're the victim when it comes to Chris, that you were put in this bad position, right? At one point, you put your foot down and say, stop lying. No more of this crap lying to me. You've no work. No, all the s--- that they're back and forth are with you. All s--- What brought that on? Frustration, probably. Ogden thinks Kelly realizes he is losing his patience and might finally just arrest her. It was all about to come to a head. Soon after, Detective Ogden gets a misspelled text from Kelly. Ever been to the west coast? I was driving last night. Sure enough, she skipped town. Except she didn't head west after all. The police tracked her as she fled south to Kentucky. 33 year old Kelly Cochran was arrested in Graves County, Kentucky. After a tip to the US marshals, Cochran was wanted in Michigan. And so, when you interview her in Kentucky, in many ways, it was a breakthrough confession. Yes. Things are different. Why are we really different? Some year. I interviewed her all day that day and then I interviewed her for a portion of the day the next day. Now Kelly drops another bombshell. If I she did it, be my responsibility. Regardless, you have to know. Her new story, she now claims she knew in advance that Jason was going to kill Chris Reagan the night she invited him to their home. It took part in the planning of it. You allowed him to occur when you didn't have to allow it to occur. And she tells Ogden she knew this because they had an agreement. What was that agreement on her? What did it mean? In your agreement from the time you were married, was that you had any affair. It's your responsibility to kill off that person. Are you kidding? Or he would kill you by his person. Right. If either spouse were to cheat during the course of the marriage, the cheating spouse would have to either kill their lover or be killed by this other spouse. You heard that right. And yet that bizarre alleged wedding day pact is just the start of what she reveals. I'm going to get emotional. I wait one second because it still gets me every time. Support comes from wise. The smart way to manage the currencies you need around the globe. You've fed up with losing out the hidden fees when you send money abroad with your everyday bank. Choose the smart way. Wise. 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She takes her little further east, then she took us on the first day. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Kelly. What would the biggest pizza bone be that you, I mean, the torso and I was here. So then we should find ribs. And I think that generally-- The goal should be the biggest, though. As she's talking, she has no guilt. At all, so carefree. Like, no big deal. This was not exactly a sombre day for her. That's my dinner. She had a lot of cigarettes. And then she asked for a cheese pizza for lunch. How many cheese people? Just cheese. Maybe a soda. Can you bring pizza? While the searching continues, chief Frizzo takes her to the house. You say that he's Jason's hold him into here, and that's where he cut him out? Yes. And she's eating a piece of pizza, of course, when we're doing this. And then Kelly also is just nonchalantly walking past the kitchen sink and says, oh, there's the forceps. You sit down, move a forceps. Yeah, that's what you're talking about. There we go. You're saying you use those? Yep. It had been sitting there the whole time. And I said, are you saying you use those to try and get the bullet out of Chris's head? And she said, yeah, it's like that. It was critical evidence matching what Kelly had said in that early interrogation, when she first admitted that Chris had been murdered. But back in these woods, and even more important discovery. Chris Regan's skull itself. I wait one second, because it still gets me every time. I just said to myself I finally found you, I just literally like said that to myself, you know, so. That was a very sobering moment and the only bright spot on that is they could link Kelly Cochran into his murder and that got things going so that she would go to trial. Kelly Cochran case just the biggest case we've had locally, maybe ever. Kelly's life was riding on the trial. Despite all that she's admitted in those interrogations, Kelly Cochran pleads not guilty. I was definitely afraid that she was going to get off. You never know how a jury is going to go. Ladies and gentlemen, Kelly and Jason Cochran were bonded in love. Case was prosecuted by Iron County Prosecutor Melissa Powell. It's pretty confident going into trial that we could convict her of being an aiter and a better. Kelly Cochran was a willing participant and because of that she's just as guilty as he is. Michael Schulke was the defense attorney for Kelly Cochran. We believe that Jason acted alone because he was not into this open marriage and was jealous and angry that Kelly was involved with another man. Please be seated. The trial would last almost three weeks. She has already admitted that she knew what was going to happen. And though there were some 60 witnesses, the case pretty much boiled down to just one. Kelly Cochran herself. Kelly testified about the abuse that she claims she suffered in her marriage. There was a lot of things where you would grab and push me and shut me. You could be very jealous, very angry. There was times where we had tried to meet in the house outside of the house. There was stuff that I needed. Kelly Cochran testified for several days. I don't think she helped herself at all. You never told people that he was a abuse ever to this case he never did. It's all happened. And you never told people that he threatened you until this case came about, right? It's all happened. When I saw Kelly in person, I couldn't believe Christopher would have had a sexual relationship with her. She looked like the devil. Her eyes were blank. I don't know if I was capable to shoot him or even do anything about it. There's nothing that comes out of her mouth that I would ever believe. I think the jury wanted to hear from her and how she was going to explain away hundreds of hours of previous statements. Remember, her story changed in all those recorded interrogations from I Know Nothing to Jason forced me to help kill Chris. What does that agree to occur? The wedding night. To we had a wedding pact and I was part of the murder. I also like it. Because every time I have an interview or an interrogation with him, everything I said was wrong. He wouldn't question me until I said what was supposed to be said. What was it like watching Kelly on the stand? Excruciating. So it's your testimony today that you have no plans to kill Chris at all, correct? I've never wondered. And you lied to be talked about when you said it was a crime, correct? She swears this testimony is no lie. Today, every time the truth leads 12 or 14 strangers to the same. With Kelly admitting so many lies, the defense asked the jury, how can they believe one story versus any other? Why is she truthful when she says she is acting with Jason? Versus times that she's sitting at the wrong. What makes her more truthful than that? I think at that point in time she's overwhelmed. She's made so many statements. She's told so many lies. It's time to tell the truth. People disclose the truth in bits and pieces when they're ready and when they're caught. The defendants in this manner were fond of blood. Chris Reagan was bathed in it. And at this time, I'm asking you to wash away the blood. I'm fine and funny guilty of all counts. There is a reason we don't hear it. People fail to need the burden. And if you believe that, you have to escape. Kelly had me at the comment before trial. You don't think I can turn just one juror? I was concerned that there might be one juror that buys her story. And as those jurors start to deliberate, there is something else. What is it that they haven't heard? The jury deliberated for about three hours, which considering it was a two and a half week long trial wasn't very long at all. The jury comes back in and as they're standing in the jury box, I felt confident because a couple of them did look over and smile. Just kind of give a look. Count number one, open murder, guilty of first degree premeditated murder, eating in a bedding. Everybody just cried and. Chris's family was sitting right behind me and the first thing I did is just turn around and hug them. Kelly was just straight-faced during the reading of the verdict. I didn't notice any changes in her at all. Unfortunately, the jury bought the story that the prosecution put forth. 35-year-old Kelly Cochran will never again walk free. Guilty of five total felony counts. Kelly was convicted on first degree premeditated murder, which carries mandatory life sentence in Michigan and without the possibility of parole. For me, it's not going to change anything. You know, Chris is gone. And what she did is just horrible. I hope she rats in hell. Kelly Cochran is convicted and sentenced, but there's much more to her case than what was presented in court. Dark and twisted allegations that the jurors never heard. These are some really disturbing allegations that were brought forth by the neighbors of the Cochran, who said they heard these weird construction noises coming from Kelly and Jason's house late at night. It's your head out, it's hand in a sip of candy, sip of cake and so on. The one with the roll-on blade goes back and forth. It cuts through loads of nails and everything at the same time with it. Kelly and Jason asked me if I wanted to come over for dinner one night. I was like, "Yeah, sure." And this was like two days after Chris was missing. It's like my involvement and I want you to meet the end. So we were all wondering about what her favorite, that kind of people, and that she did kill her guy, then bought you some of them up and had us over for dinner. I think they hacked them up and they threw it into us, believe it or say that. I'm like, "Oh God, oh God, like no." When I realized that I might have ate the dude, I didn't want to believe it. It changed me, it changed me 100%. It was a theory that they came to a conclusion on their own. That wasn't something that we ever even brought into the case investigation. It's not that I didn't think it could happen, but it wasn't significant at the time. But one thing investigators took very seriously was the allegation that there could be other murder victims out there. Kelly's own brother told Detective Ogden that Kelly said herself that there were more victims. And the war is coming from her, she's telling you guys the correct one. And how many more bodies did she tell you? Both of them are identical. Police were recording all of Kelly Cochrane's phone conversations while she was behind bars. And you can hear her own mother asking her, "Is it true? Are there other murder victims?" "Hi, come on." "What's going on, Kelly? What the hell is wrong?" "I mean, where did all this come from?" "You didn't see this coming?" "I see this coming after it all happened, but I didn't know that you guys killed people before all this." "Do you have a conscience?" "Is this like, I mean, have you always felt this way?" "I've always been like this." Kelly actually told me that she was born the way she is. She's never had emotions, she's never had sympathy. "There is no evidence that has been brought forth that would indicate that any stories that were told by Kelly of being involved and murders of other people are true. There are no bodies coming out of the woodwork that are tied to Kelly Cochrane." But what does Kelly Cochrane herself now say about the allegations that she's a serial killer? You had told police that you had killed others in the past. Is there truth to that? And in a case where they uncovered so much darkness and evil, there would be a surprising light at the end of the tunnel for the two lead investigators. Following the guilty verdict, Kelly ascends to life in prison for the murder of Chris Reagan. 11 months later, Kelly pleads guilty to murdering her husband, Jason Cochrane in Indiana, and a sentence to an additional 65 years in prison. I believe that the idea behind this evil in her, I mean, it's a purest form of evil that you're going to get. I spoke to Kelly Cochrane from her prison in Michigan, where she's serving out her life sentence. You told police that you would kill others in the past. No, I've never killed anybody. Then why would you tell investigators you had? And lead them on wild goose chases. They said they spoke to neighbors who lived down the street from you, who were convinced that they had a barbecue that consisted of human remains. I heard about that. Here's the thing, I never had a barbecue with anybody. Nobody was ever close, nobody was barbecue. I've spoken to investigators, Kelly, who said that when they talked to you and heard your story that it made them believe in pure evil. What would you say to that? I believe that. Because I'm not a bad person. I was raised by good people, I've never harmed anybody. And so in your view, what did happen that night when Chris died? I have been disabled for man and cutting him up in front of me. And you just stood there doing nothing? What are you talking about? You didn't call the police, you didn't. I was tied up. This is the first time hearing of her ever saying she'd been tied up. This is a game and she's going to continue this game as long as she can. And she's not done with it yet. There probably is not a punishment on this earth that could match what she did to Christopher. I could go Christopher with me when I'm on Apple Blossom Trail. I feel a little warm. I enjoy your happiness because it was a good place for us. For Laura Frizzo, the case had a bittersweet outcome. Although she was able to help bring justice for Chris Reagan's murder, she was fired from her job as police chief after Kelly's arrest. I started to have some issues with my boss at work and those issues kind of got heated. But while Laura may have lost her job, she found romance in an unlikely place. I felt immediately connected to him just because of the person he was. And so you kind of made the first move. What happened? It's one day texting and I said, do you want to kiss me? I was like, why did I send that? Because there was like dead air, just no response for a long time. You know, the answer was yes right out of the gate as soon as I read it. So you asked for the first kiss, who asked for who's hand in marriage? I did. How'd that go, big guy? It went well. She accepted right away. What's the future for both of you? We own a piece of land that Laura picked in the UP right on a lake and one day I'm going to build a dream house there. And of course we wish them the best as they now plan their next chapter together away from their work. That is our program for tonight. Thanks so much for watching. I'm David York and from all of us here at 2020 and ABC News. Good night. [Music]