WHAT WORKING WITH SIBLINGS IS LIKE | ERIC NAM

I think a part of America thinks I'm brain dead. I'm here for the airtime, let's do you. You really go on singles in first. Yeah, but, but, but, but, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. I, little Eric Nahn, walk into a house of 23 insane celebrities. How did it feel seeing Rob's flame turn red? This person just stole so much money from you. You guys are getting exclusive. Hey guys, welcome back to the Ha Ha Ha Ha Test. Guys, look at our beautiful flashcard. We're being very professional today. Yeah, I love that. We're being really professional right now. I feel like we upgraded like 10 times. Yeah. Because we have a very, very special guest for today's episode. Jumbo, please. He's a singer, songwriter, TV personality, actor, entrepreneur, nicknamed The Nation's Boyfriend, the man with the magic ears who's so confidently wrong on season four of traitors. Please welcome Eric Nahn. Guys, we're so excited to have an Eric Nahn on. He, a fellow Korean American, you know. If you guys are the OG and you guys listen to K-pop, you would know. I think he's like from my era. He used to post covers on YouTube and that's how he got recognized. Yeah. Posting covers on YouTube. Unlike other like K-pop stars usually start like a very young age. He actually started I guess a little late. He started the age of 24, which I feel like is kind of unusual. Wow. Well, he's not like a K-pop idol. He's just like a Korean artist. Yeah, but he's like the industry at a kind of like a older age. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, so like every once he wasn't doing music at your age. Wait, Eric, you have a chance. Yeah. Guys, should I become a singer? Yeah, do it. I'm dare you. That means I have a really good shot. Maybe I'll quit YouTube. I'm gonna sing it. Wait, do you guys? I got a band. I'm doing it. I'm too late. It's too late for me. I'm 27. Ooh. You're not 27. I'm turning 27 this month. But he is on the way to our apartment right now. We're super excited. I'm really wondering how he's going to be like. I think it'll be really fun. And he actually came out with a new song yesterday, which was March 3rd. And he hasn't come out with a song in a while. So we're just going to ask him a lot of questions and just have. I know him, you know. So yeah, so fun. We'll catch you guys when he's here. Okay, guys. Hi. Hi. Are we going? Yeah, we're going on a show. Oh, oh. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hi. How was your day? It's been good. I especially because Chai's here. Yeah. Chai is so shy, guys. She's like in the corner of my room. She's chilling. Are you a dog person or cat person? I'm dog person, 100%. Yeah. Thank God. I need you. If you're really saying cat person, I was going to be like, get out of here. Let me tell you about cats. I know people love cats. Not that I hate cats, but people are like, you just got to find the right cat that acts like a dog. Like then why not just get a dog for real? That's what. That's just my opinion. Sorry. And also we're allergic to cats. Yeah. So it's like no cat to love right now. Yeah. Same. Oh, you are? Yeah. I mean, I can be around them, but I try not to. Yeah. You can't trust cats. Exactly. No, seriously. Yeah. You never know what's going to come next with them, I feel like. Oh, they're like pet me. I'm going to bite you when you're like, that was crazy. Oh, damn. How was your day? Like, what did you do today? What did I do today? I worked out. I went to the gym and I worked out. And then I think I've done a lot of press things. A lot of like the street interview things. Mm. And then we had like a listening session at the orchard, which is my label slash distributor. So we played them some of the new music, watch the music video. She got it. She got it. Listen to that on. Thank you. And I can't get out of it. I can't get it out of my head. I love to hear that. I'm so happy. I'm so happy. I'm so happy. No, at this point. I'm so happy. I'm coming in and like, stop. Amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you for listening. Yeah, are you excited that your music set? I know you haven't had a music out in a while. Yeah, I mean, I was nervous, but also excited. And I'm just glad it's out. And it's the build up to putting music out is so intense. Yeah. Because there's so many things happening. This is the first of many singles in an album and a tour. All those things to come. Ooh, a tour. I'm in a rush. No way. So, we're all tour. Yeah, it'll be a real tour. Will we be invited? Of course. Okay. If you don't come home, it'll be so fun. Okay, yeah. I'm glad to see you. It'll be so fun. Yeah. Just a double check. Wait, so did you write this one yourself? Yes, I-- Oh, wow. I took part in all the songs on this album. Oh, wow. Yeah. Is it based on real life experience? I think everything in the album is based on real life experiences. Every once in a while, it'll be like-- we'll be in a session and let's say we're writing together. And you're like, oh, I actually have this story. And we'll take that story. But most of the songs are based on my life. So did some girl walk out of it? You know what? Let's just say that I-- When you live life, there are people who decide to completely screw you up. Oh. And completely stab you in the back. Oh. I can relate. Oh, we can all-- Oh, we can all-- You know? And it can be-- Yeah. Wait, would you say you're a good relationship advisor? I think I'm a good advisor when it comes to relationships because I am so objective. And then-- But then I don't know if I'm like the best in my own relationships. It's always like that. Yeah. But in love and life and friendships and even in work, I've had multiple situations where I was like, this person just stole so much money from me. Oh, damn. Or this person just like completely was-- I don't know this person. Like you just lied the entire time I've known you. Oh, damn. Like a lot of those situations. Oh. And then it happened to me on the traders as well where I don't know if you guys have seen the show. But-- I haven't seen Bob. I've wanted to talk to Clay. Let me tell you what happened. Let me spoil this for you. Yeah, go for it. I, little Eric Nomb, walk into a house of 23 insane celebrities. Okay? I genuinely know nobody there. And I-- You're like the only Asian one there too. It's me and Chris and Kish is the only other Asian. And everybody is like five housewives, five people from Survivor and like a big brother. And then there's-- Love Island. Love Island. Like everybody has their like small groups. And they're like, who are you? I don't know. I don't know what you're right here. I know what you're both like me. Yeah. And then I ended up making it far enough to then be-- I was a faithful. So I was like, if you played Mafia, I was like a town's person. And then I got converted to a trader. Oh. Like episode nine. So towards that-- Oh, so you can't convert. So it's like it was either you die tonight or you join me as a trader. And I was like, okay, I'm going to join you as a trader. Yeah. I'm here for a year time. I'm not going to quit it. Yeah. I'm here to be on free time. Yeah. So then I have to-- I've made friends with everybody and now I have to go kill them. Right? So the other trader and I rob and we were good friends. I mean, we are still good friends. I heard about this. Yeah. And then I went to the end. It's the final three. Me, Mora, and Rob. Uh-huh. And the plan was we throw green to end the game. And we split the money. Right. But the two of them threw red. I threw green. And then they booted me. And then Rob won by himself. That little-- Oh my goodness. Well, it was a reaction. I was like, oh. No, I was genuinely shocked. But that was like real real life. You were like, 100%. I had no idea. And you were like, what the fuck? Yes. How do you recover from that? I took a few days. Right. It really took a few days. And-- Did you actually feel deep portrayal where you kind of understanding because it's like, okay, reality TV show. I mean, I was understanding. I know it's a game. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm not-- honestly, I'm not too upset about it. But I was like, man. I got stabbed in the back again. And-- Tsk, tsk. And I was standing there. And I remember being like so sad and angry. And I don't know what you guys are like, but when I get really angry, sometimes I'll cry or tear up. And I was like, oh. And then I remember. I was like, okay, if I do this well enough, I can well up enough here and have one drop coming up. And then I was like, you know what? Actually, I don't want to do that. That's going to look really weak on TV. Let's not do that. And then I was like, okay, peace. And I left. And then he texted me, or he DMed me a few days later the next day. Uh-huh. And the DM goes, my fault G. No! No! No! Way. That is such a raw response, I feel. It's very raw response. Yeah. What? And then, uh, yeah. So that's kind of what happened on that. And I was like, I have to put this song out right as a traitor. I have to. That's so fitting. That's how we got all of them in the music video and all that. Wait, was that strategic? What? Putting it out that way? Yeah. Absolutely. Oh, right. Yeah. Okay. You are going to use that material to use. I was like, look, I didn't make money. I didn't get anything out of this. I mean, America thinks I'm like, this is really dumb Korean American guy. Yeah. So I need something. So y'all better be in the music video and help me market this thing. And they've been very, very gracious and helpful with that. So I love you guys. - As they should. - Yeah, yeah. - As they should. - Yeah. - Wait, what is your MBTI? I am INFP. - I really? - Really? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Wait, I'm an I too. - Are you? - Yeah. - I'm I. - I'm. - I'm F. - I'm F. - Yeah. - Damn, you're an F. - Yeah, what is the difference? I don't even know the difference. - F is more like feeling. - Like you like academic. - But I thought you, because you said you were more objective, you would be more teased. - So here's the thing, I wear multiple hats. Like I do a lot of different things. So I think I'm kind of in the middle for a lot of it. - But in my most natural state, I'm probably INFP. - What's your, what's your Gemini? I mean, zodiacs, sorry. - My Gemini is Scorpio. - Wait, what is it? - Scorpio. - Scorpio. - No idea what a Scorpio is. - November. - Oh my god. - My brothers and I are all Scorpios. - Oh. - What? - What the hell? - Your mom probably had to get so many gifts. - Your poor mom. - What? - Scorpio men. - Yeah, we're all Scorpios. And I'm a double Scorpio. - What does that even mean? - It's like moon rising, whatever. I don't know what any of this long-roads Scorpio. - Yeah, but I don't know what it means and I'm just like whatever. - What are you guys? - I dated a Scorpio. - That was that. Was it awful? I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. - I'm not being personal to you. - No, but I've heard Scorpio men are awful. And maybe I'm not. I'm not. - They're really one of those. - I'm not. - I'm not. I don't think. But no, I've heard Scorpio. - Yeah. - Well maybe it just doesn't match with areas. - It's just like the most common areas. - Totally. I have no idea. (laughing) - Definitely. - I'm a Gemini. - Okay, what is a Gemini trait? - The most. - The most. - Yeah, that's like the most. - You should go on traitors. - Really? - You would kill it. - I don't know. - I'm not actually too faced though. I'm just like really putting on, I'm just good at setting different levels. - But that's great. It's like you're an actress. - Yeah. - You should apply. - They're doing another season. - Season five. - Yeah, well they're doing this civilian one, which is like non-selebb. And then they have a celeb one and you should. - Wait, I feel like reality shows are so scary. - Yeah. - That's why I was very hesitant. - Like I feel like I would be so conscious of the camera or like, I don't know because, I mean I also want screen time, but I also don't want to be fake. But I also like want to be myself. But I feel like I'm myself. I feel like I'll get into the screen time. - To boring. - Yeah. - You know, like I feel like I'll just be like, oh yes, kill me. - But I'll be like no, for the screen time. I need to like be self-induced. - Yes, absolutely. - And so I think that would scare me. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That's what I did. - Did you have moments when you were like, I need to be self-induced? - Yeah. - So my thing was I knew that I would get screen time if I was a trader. - Like a trader because of the show's name is Trader. But also in the professionals. So when they sit you down one on one and they ask you questions and I was like, I just got to say ridiculous things. And so all day, every day I was just like, yell random things. So I might not be on screen but you're saying my voice but like, let's go guys. Let's make some money. And the end of the day, it's a game show. - Right. - It's the way I think about it. But I was very apprehensive about doing reality. - But now you're coming out of your super godly did it. - Yes, because it went well for me. If it went poorly. - Ooh. - Then now. - Yeah, well 'cause I think a lot of the people who like really watch the game for the gaming aspect are like, oh it sucks because like, these celebrities care about their image. I'm like, yeah, well I have to, what happens in the show affects me outside. - Right. - So I can't ignore it completely. And so I have to be image conscious in some way. - Well, I feel like the viewers want to know more about like your personal life because they've seen you on the show and all these other things. - Yeah. - Now we did a little digging up. - Oh. - Information digging up. - Oh god. - Well we want to rewind it back to like where you started. And we found out you were a corporate guy. - I was a suit. - What's a suit? - Just a corporate person. - Oh, oh. - Like wearing a suit. - Yeah, like that's crazy. - For how long? - I had done summer internships at an investment bank. I did a start. - Wow, you were a finance man. - You were smart. - Well, I pretended. (laughs) - Finesse. - I finessed it. I was an international relations major. - Wow. - And I think an East Asian studies minor. I think. - Wow. - Meesh. - Very niche. - I studied abroad in China for a year. - Whoa. - In Beijing. - I'm a little bit confused. - I do. - I do. - I'm a hong-gore. - Nisha, hong-gore. - What? - I'm a hong-gore. - Sure. - How? - How? How? How did you go from being a corporate guy to a singer? - So, okay, so I did. I was supposed to work at Deloitte Consulting doing strategy in New York. - Oh, damn. - So my internship I was working at Pfizer. Doing clinical trial cases. I was like, this is so boring. (laughing) This is so boring. And I saw a future where I would just be like, like middle, what, I don't know, middle management doing whatever. I was like, my goal of my dream was always to do music or do like social work. And my career and parents were just like, you're insane. - There's no way. - There's no money in it. There's no way. So I was like, okay, I got the job. I graduated, I did all the things. Now I'm gonna take a year for myself. So I took a sabbatical and I had Deloitte let me start a year later. And so they're like, so there's no what you're gonna do. So I got into this fellowship that took me to India to do like social enterprise work. - What? - So I go there and while I was there, a TV show in Korea saw my YouTube video and was like, hey, do you wanna come to Korea for this audition program? - Oh, yes. - Oh, yes. - I thought it was a scam. (laughing) So I sent them just enough information to see if they would send me a ticket, a plane ticket. - And they did. - And they did. So I show up in Korea after spending a few months in India and everybody's like, you look rough. (laughing) And I was like, I know, I'm just here to say. But I did that for nine months. It was like 33, 34 episodes of the show. - Wow. - And I got to the top five. Sign a record deal, quit my job, and then I became a singer and then like a personality in Korea. - What? - Were you like after like, holy shit, I can't believe this in my life? 'Cause you went from like, about to be a corporate rat to like a singer. - I mean, definitely. And it's, I still have that. Whereas like, how is this my life? Because it's, I do so many random things and like traders is a side quest. Everything I do is like a side quest to me. But at that time, it was crazy because I barely spoke Korean. - Right. - Like, like very bad. - Really? - Yeah, I would call my, even when I was on the show, I'd call my mom. I was like, hey, I think I'm doing okay on the show mom. I was like, stupid kid. - You're, she's like, you're finally gonna realize how average you are. And like, I can't wait for you to get kicked off the show. - Oh! - Because, and it wasn't like malicious. She's just like such a naive nice person. - Yeah. - Where she was like, I don't think you understand like how many talented people are in Korea. You're overestimating yourself. I'm like, I agree, but like, thanks for the encouragement mom. - Like, just out of not to get your hopes to come along. - I mean, maybe. And then like, when I quote unquote made it, she was like, why do people like you? - I was like, no way. - That is an Asian mom response to. - She is very like, and then she'll like come to my concert. She's like, I can't watch these concerts 'cause I'm scared you're just gonna miss all your notes. I'm like, no, she's so nervous. - She's an anxious wreck. - And our mom is super anxious. - Really? - Oh my god. - I think a lot of Korean moms. - She's so anxious. - Our anxious. - My mom is so worried that Emily is gonna like die and then she's like, just become Evelyn's like a accountant. She's like, just, like, she's always worried about the three of us. 'Cause also it's so unprojected up with our job. - Oh yeah, you guys have a great time. - So she's like, you guys need to look like, take care of your brand image more. - You're like, I don't care. - I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, girl, I'm fine. Like, Zuna, worry, I'm fine. - I'm just curious about how you posted covers on YouTube and like, how did they discover you? Like, what made you post the covers on YouTube? Was it just for fun? - It was just for fun. And it was interesting because there was a show back in the day called the Mori Povid Show. And it was like a daytime, like, kind of a trashy TV talk show. Right? You can call it a little trashy, right? It's like, you are the father. You are not the father. It's like that stuff. It was that stuff. And they reached out, we're like, hey, we want to put you on it, undiscovered talent section, but we need like some drama. Like, what's going on? - I literally am the most boring Korean American kid ever. - Yeah. - But you know, who did go on that was Ailey. - Oh, really? - Ailey went and then she went to Korea after that. And then I also had JYP reach out, which like, oh, we saw YouTube. Do you want to come to Korea or come, at least come meet us in New York for our audition? So I was like, oh, okay, if I keep putting covers up, maybe there's some crazy shot that somebody sees this. And that's kind of what happened. - Oh, damn. So after you got scouted, you just started training immediately. - Not like, not in the typical K-pop thing. It was for the purposes of the TV show, but it reminds you like, they were making a sing songs I never heard in my life. - Like Korean songs? - Korean Korean songs from the 70s and the 80s. And I have no idea what I'm saying. So I'm just memorizing words and sounds. - Holy shit, that must have been so hard. - It was crazy. And they don't look this up, but they made me wear some insane (beep) like I was looking at and I was like, what is this? - Oh my God. - It was like, one was like a game of Thrones jacket with like feathers like go like this. I was like, I have to go on TV. - And it wasn't up to you. - And it wasn't up to me. And they have, they're like, you are a peasant, muggle child, shut up and wear this. And I just be like, "Come, send me that." (laughing) Don't come to me. - Thank you so much. - Yeah, thank you so much. Where are these organic feathers? Like, what? It was crazy. - I'm crying. - How was your like, American accent? 'Cause did you have Conglash? - Oh yeah. - Did you have Korean classes? - It did take Korean classes, but I think I learned Korean because after the show, I had to do, I started doing a lot of TV 'cause in Korea you have to do everything. So a lot of it was, I had one show that was live, twice a week where I was interviewing K-pop stars in English and Korean. So I would have to real time translate for a live audience. And that kind of forced it. And then at the same time was doing a show, it's like E-News, where they would send me out to me, like Robert Downey Jr. and Matt Damon and her Paris Hilton. And then we go into the studio where I would have to narrate in Korean what I did. - Bro, what? - But I would mess, that was also live. And I would mess up every single week. 'Cause it's reading, it's speed reading Korean. And they send me this, they give me the script the morning of like two hours before. So I'm sitting there and it's a live studio. And they go and, - Q and the video starts playing. Video starts playing and I have to read it in speed. I mean, I know how to have you, oh! (laughs) And I would just, it was like panic. Every single week. - Oh my God, I can never. I'm so bad at Korean. - It was. It's really bad. - No, I don't believe you. - No, no. - My family, it's so bad. - Really? - Because every time we speak Korean as our two, to our mom. - Ah. - So I mean, Evelyn's the best at it, but Evelyn's Korean has gotten significantly worse. - I don't know what's going on, it's really, really bad. - I don't know what's going on, babe. - I can't write. - I was a Korean now though. - It's great, it's fluent, yeah. It's like, I would force myself to learn because I kept getting put on TV shows. And I would just like memorize words. - Yeah. - That were on the Q-cards. And like, that's how I got affected. - And you were born in Atlanta, Georgia. - Atlanta, Georgia. - I'm so cool. - Did you ever have an accent? - When I'm in Atlanta, I get like a real Southern accent. - Wait, you're lying. - When I'm talking to my friends, we're from South, yeah, it happens. - That's what you actually? - Well, it depends, because I realize I only make people like unintentionally. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. - So, and then like, if I'm talking to like somebody who's from London, I'll just suddenly, I'm like, I'd let them know, I'm not making fun of you. I just naturally, my brain, so funny, and breathless. - That's kind of like her. - Did you do that as well? - No, not with any other language, except for like an Asian accent. - There's a bit of old Asian grammar. And the old Asian grammar is like asking your question. She'd be like, oh, hello? I don't know. And we're like, bro, why are you talking to her like that? - Like just saying, I don't know. - And she like talks into baby voice too. It's like she's empathizing with the lady. - It's just for like Asian people. I don't know. - Oh my God. - I don't know. (laughing) - I empathize. I know what you're going through. And then you're like, what am I doing? - Yeah, I'm like, I'm just-- - She was like, I said it, I'm like, what the fuck? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I said it. - Okay, well, since you're, where you were born in America, you're like basically you're a Korean American. Do you have any like Asian identity issues? Like whenever you were in Korea, where you're like, holy shit, I'm so fucking American. But then when you're back in America, you're like, holy shit, I'm so Korean. - I mean, I think that's my entire existence. - Right. - I'm sure you guys can relate to that. But I think I went to a very, very, very white school - Growing up. - As too. - It was very white. And so it was people, like, are you Chinese or Japanese? Like I'm Korean. What is that? - Yeah, what's that? - It was to that point. And when I got to Korea, it was crazy because everything would be, like I would be gasoline or not, because I was, 'cause you're American. Like you know I understand you're American. So even then I was getting screwed over by like a lot of people. Like I found out there are people stealing money. I never got paid for a lot of work that I did. Like bad deals, shady deals, galore. - Did you get paid back? - No. - What? - No. - And so I think when that stuff happens to you, you're just, and then you always like, oh well you don't understand 'cause you're not Korean. And that's the way we do it in Korea. I was like, that just sounds like ethically morally just so wrong. - Yeah. - And then even like musically they wanted me to sing like, the really sad, happy Korean ballads. Which that's a specific type of singing that I did not know how to do. 'Cause I didn't grow up on it. - Yeah. - You know, I just don't know how to do it. So I would be like, I wanna do like pop songs. And they'd be like, it's your two, your two American. Your two, they call it butter. Like normal butter, normal mock. - Really? What does that mean? - It's like so the gay pop kind of thing. And I'd be like, what do you mean? - Your two butter. - Yeah. - So I would like walk in with like a full PDF of like, these are all the concepts in the songs. And they're like, palathe. They just walked ballots. And I was like, I hate ballots. And so it was always, everything was always your two American. You don't understand. And then it will be shady deals. That were happening a lot. Fast forward once I went independent in like 2020, 2021, I moved back to the States during COVID. And for a long time it's always like, oh, you're just K-pop. I'm like, okay, but like I don't sing in Korean anymore. Like I literally am American. - Like I'm speaking. - Yeah. - And they're like, oh, like is your, even today is your music in Korean? I'm like, no. - Like I haven't done Korean music in so long. - Right. - And I think that's been a frustration because, I think Asian Americans, we have a very specific view and angle on the world and our identity. But people have a hard time understanding like the multitudes that we have. And so when I say I am a pop singer, they're like, do you know demon hunters? - Oh my God. - It's always something like that. Like I was shooting some stuff and it was in public and people are you the K-pop and I was like, what does that mean? - What is the goal of my life? - Are you the K-pop and I was like, - That's crazy. - Sure. And then like are you a member of BTS? Like it's always that. - Thank you, right. - And I think that's always been in the States, my frustration, where it's like, yeah, I started in K-pop. I love K-pop, but I'm very distinctly Korean American. - Asian American. - Single artists exist. - Yeah, yeah. - We don't have to always be in a band. - Yeah, so that's where I think we have my biggest difficulty with like identity in my career. - Yeah, so it's so true. Like even if you look at any of the Asian artists in America, it's like there's not that many. - No. - Like American. - Asian American. - Asian American. - Like yes, there's BTS, there's Blackpink. - Yeah, but. - And they're great and I love them to death and they're my friends all of it. But that is from the K-pop system. Most of them are Korean or like Korean Australian or whatever, but Asian American. - Yeah, that's really rare. - Yeah, especially the ones that like thrive in the US market. - Yeah. - This needs to change y'all. - Yeah. - We're putting in the work fam. - Yes guys, come on. - We are. - Yeah, and I feel like that struggle is just so normal just for any other Asian Americans. - Yeah, I mean I'm sure you guys get for lack of a better term like tight cast into a certain genre of what you're doing and what you're creating when I'm sure you guys want to be bigger, mainstream, gen pop. - Right, right, right. - And that was a big reason I did traders. 'Cause I was like, how do I, if everybody, everywhere I go, they're like K-pop. - And you being known for not just K-pop. - Yeah, so even on traders I was like, my one request is that you just say "Singer Songwriter" and they kept on me as I can we say K-pop stars? I was like, do not say K-pop stars? If you say K-pop stars, I'm out. - I'm not doing it. - Literally, that was a bad thing. - 'Cause you're not like K-pop. - Yeah. - It's not like K-pop, you know, it's like. - I don't feel like that should define me. - Right, right. - Yeah. - Yeah, I mean I think it's people like yourselves and our contemporaries who are working to show mainstream America that we do a lot more. - Yeah. - And just Korean or Asian American things, I guess, or Asian things. - So which state in the United States do you feel like home to? - Home? I mean I think it's Georgia. - Georgia. - Is your parents or your mom or your-- - Parents are there. - My brother, my sister-in-law, my nephew's are there. - Oh, so your whole, - They're all there. - That's why I've been still in LA. - So I am there regularly. I just travel a lot. But the sad thing is like, when people are like, where's your home right now? Like I have no idea. I just say Delta Scott. (laughing) I spend so much time in the air. So that's just kind of-- - Do you like it like that? - I do, but there are times where I'm like, I wish I could just chill. - Just chill? But that's a, not my personality and b, I feel like I've worked so long and so hard to get to the place where I can do what I'm doing right now. And to stop now feels like such a waste of effort. And also I think for me, even when I started my career, I was like, I really wanted to put in the work so that I could cross over back into the states to increase representation, first social impact. That was like always in the back of my life. - I love that. - I genuinely. - I don't love that. - And so, and when you think about it, there really aren't that many of us. Even actors, like we can name them on our fingers, right? - Yes, yeah. I'm very lucky and blessed to be in a position where I'm doing music, reality and movies. I feel like I don't owe it to people, but I feel compelled to do it so that create a little path. Yeah, like I love when I meet like younger artists who walk up to me and they're like, "Oh my God, I'm Asian and American too." Yeah, thank you for letting like inspiring me into what I do. Yeah, and that was, because like I don't ever think like I'm going to be the biggest artist in the world. I don't think like that's not my path, but if I've helped kind of kick down a wall or open some doors for people, I'm like, "Cool, that's my job." Well, you already opened doors for people who are wanting to start their music career a little bit late. So, yeah, I feel like because like you started 24, right? Yeah, I started the CB show on 22. I put out my first album 24 for 23 and they called me old. I remember. Yeah, like that's like Korean standards. Yeah. I took a ton of, I met like 15 labels. I met all of them. No. And they're like, "Mm, you're old." So, it was, I mean, it was interesting because people my age are like, "Gee Dragon." Yeah. Like, it's the 80. I'm not going to age myself like that. I mean, the 2000 80 crop. The Y2K. Oh, crap. Um, no, but like Big Bang and 2PM, Girls' Generation 21, like, they, in terms of age, were like similar. So they're like, they've already like in the top and you're nowhere. So like, how do you get there? Oh, the comparison is crazy. Yeah, I don't know. I would have been like so imposter syndrome like. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah, did you kill myself? Yeah, I did. I had like such a like disadvantage. Yeah, but I, I didn't want to let age define my life for career. And I still feel that way. People were like, "Oh, you're pushing a certain number. And I'm like, I'm 19." You honestly do look 19. I thought you were the same age as I was born. Shut up. I'm serious. When Erica found out your age, Erica was shocked. I was like, "Are you serious?" Well, thank you. Yeah. No, I think, I really think you stay young depending on like your mentality and like how you approach life and the energy you give. And so there are times where I'm like, like the last movie I did, every, like most of the actors I was working with was more much younger than I was. They had no idea. And I felt like impotent syndrome because I was like, "I'm not what you're talking about." But we're gonna hang and we're gonna be friends in this pool. And like they're, they're like, "Oh, you just feel like one of us kind of." It's true. It was just a number. It was so nice. I'm so fossilized. I'm so fossilized. I'm so fossilized. Do you know any Gen Z terms we can teach you? I don't want to know. Wait. I don't. Do you want to know? Okay, wait. Tell me something. I feel like I know some of them. Do you know this? Yes. Clock it. Clock it. It's like, I thought this was like clapping or something. No, no, no, no, no. I feel like there's different ways to sing "Clock it." There's like, "Oh, you just got clocked." Okay. No, that means, you got found out kind of thing. No, am I wrong? Like you got roasted. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, it's clocked out. Clock is like period. Like, okay, clock it. Yeah. Clocked out. Don't ever wear it. Don't ever wear it. Okay, cool. I just got stuck to it. Okay. Yeah. I say gagged a lot. Like gagged. Like gagged. See, here's the thing. I know these terms. I just don't use them. Right, right, right. So, you're going to be very out of character. It would be very out of character. And then say, you just start saying like, "Billagged." Yeah, I'm gagged. And people are like, "What the fuck? Old man, what are you doing?" I'm like, if you were to say those things, people, you would look too try hard. Yeah. Try hard. Yeah, I was, okay, this is, so I was at the gym this morning with, uh, do you know Jake Shane? Oh, no. Oh my god. But he speaks in like, fluent Gen Z. Yeah. And I'm just like, "Yah!" Oh, it must. Too funny. And he's hilarious. And he's a rapper, right? He's hilarious. Oh, I'm a fan because he's just so funny. But I'm just like, this is how y'all talk. And I'm just like totally mad. Totally. Totally, totally. Totally, totally. Yeah, okay. What else? Gagged. Clocked. It's 6-7 below you guys. Well, it's 7-7's like Gen Alpha. Okay, you got it. What, I don't even know what that is. It's so stupid. Okay. Those are like my main ones. Okay. All right. Well, you guys should let me know next time something pops off. Okay, do you know any, um, current Korean slings? No. Okay. Gags? Yeah, I guess. Like we were saying, I have any more singles in Furnow. Oh, wow. So like, what season? Five. The most recent one. The most recent one. Yeah. Because there's three English speaking, and whatever there's like English speaking casts, like feel more compelled to watch it. Okay. Yeah. Because I'm like, oh my god, I really like what if I-- What if you-- What any of you ever do that? Sure. I want her to go on it. Well, me and Erica couldn't because we just can't speak Korean. Yeah. But what if that's a concept? It's like, they can't speak Korean. Everyone is just like, yeah. We know body language or something like Wightly I'm actually gonna pitch the Netflix. Yeah, I think it should happen Yeah, I'll do it. Why not? Oh, you heard it here first everybody I heard that you are probably looking for casts now if it happens I want Everybody screenshot this moment right here. This is happening. Yeah, I think we're gonna I think you I think it happened Really I honestly if you really wanted to uh-huh, I'm sure we Well watch me come out of the show and everyone's like But that but that genuinely is the biggest risk of reality you don't know what the edit is Scared to see what you verify people I think a part of America thinks I'm brain dead Well because I kept getting things wrong and I would but the thing is you don't know anything like you have no idea What's going on so the best thing you can do you play mafia before right so if you're playing mafia with Twenty-three people that you don't know like you have to go off crazy clues so people were like you breathe funny I think you're a mafia like that's Situation but I I was in multiple situations like I have a clue This is it and I think this is it and I was wrong people like this guy is so bad But I just got to say the the only way you have a chance of winning is to outlast you just have to survive to the end and I got to the third place. I'm like look look y'all call me stupid But I made it to the final Little Korean man made it to the final How long was it? Yeah, go on it and call that Exactly how long was it like shot for like three and a half weeks? What yeah, it's a long Half weeks. Yeah, it's a long yeah, homesick No, I was just I just started to feel crazy because you get there and we are pretty much isolated In our rooms and we can't talk to anybody so no internet no phone no computer We had like Netflix and Spotify Yeah, but then that and like if you you can't go outside If you want to go outside you have to like schedule like 30 minute walk and They monitor everything because they want to make sure that the game is played fairly I always think like what do people do in reality shows when they have free time because you have no phone Yeah, so I was just in my room and being like Yeah, so by episode five or six I was like I've been here too long. Please kill me Like I need to go home. Oh my please let me go That's crazy, but yeah, it was intense. I have to watch straighters now. It's fun. It is a fun show Did you learn a lot about yourself? I? Learned that I am still very gullible And naive I I just think I'm a very nice I mean people are like oh you can't call yourself that I'm a nice person. I'm a very loyal Trusting person because that's how I live my life and so when you're doing this thing for three three and a half weeks I can't act like I'm a Murderer for three and a half weeks. Unless it's I'm shooting a film Uh-huh, and even then I think I would need serious therapy to do that it reaffirmed that I I think I'm a decent human being I don't know. Yeah, I think you are too We so we know that you work with your siblings. Yeah, your two brothers Mm-hmm, and we are three sisters. Yeah, it's like how is it like working with your brothers? What's the age gap? Like you don't have to tell me that they're ages. Yeah, so Eddie is second brother He's two years younger and then Brian is mung me. He's eight years younger Oh You guys what yeah, what do you know how old we are? I have no idea. Take a guess I'm gonna just say you're like 18. Okay, so that makes you 27 then Is that right? Oh, yeah, I turn 18 in July and I turned 27 this year. I'm a genius See you guys I'm not stupid So then I'm gonna say you're two or three years apart. Yeah, so like 24 We're 20 years apart. Oh I was I say you guys look more similar. Yeah, so I was like maybe it's this way But then I was like I was just going off me and my brother. Yeah, okay So 27 21 17. Yeah, wow. Yeah, how is that how does how does this work for you guys? Well actually like even if we're nine years apart we It doesn't feel nine years like nine years if you think about it like people are like what you guys must have like a mom and Mom and daughter relationship, but it's more like sister more like friends Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I mean obviously when they were younger when she was like a little Infant it felt more like I felt maternal. Yeah, but now it feels kind of like they're the same age almost I don't know what that says for both of them, but that's but that's like me and Brian my own brother Yeah, so I felt like his caretaker and I like taught him to read and like change his diapers and everything and then he grows up I'm like Well, we started working together your 2019 so he was at Columbia Okay, okay, yeah, he was a club because the soccer player Columbia. Oh You got a flex a little bit. He is not He dropped out of Columbia and he started dive studios We did he found it or did you guys so all three of us did it together? I was like deal with it. It was kind of like Brian and I sitting in my apartment in Seoul and he was like I think you should do a podcast I was like sure why not yeah, we'll try it and then it we like were like best listens of the year for Apple and Spotify And then we started taking awards and then it grew into an entire network which now we have an Agency so we do a lot of agency work for like a ton of brands. Wow, so that's kind of what it's become Eddie was my manager for about 10 years So he managed me and Epi Kai and a few other singer songwriters and producers But then he retired and joined our parents like insurance business Like maybe a year and a half ago. Oh, I'm in Atlanta. Wow He has two kids and he was like I don't want to I want to be there every day right for the kids And I don't want to travel as much and so it just naturally kind of went that way So You did find a lot you did Oh, yeah, unlike work stuff. Oh, yeah, oh, well, how did that ever a chance where you guys were like? I'm done like you ever like you're fired It's like I know we're done. I Eddie and I would like all of us would get into fights about different things I think at the end of the day though. There's three of us like a three of you. So there's always one loser There's always like a tiebreaker, you know, and so we're very like yo like to the right Europe And it's also interesting because they never had bosses really other than me and so I Fell as an older brother a responsibility to like teach them things in case like things don't work out If my career doesn't work out or if that doesn't work out like you have to be employable somewhere else Like you need to know these basics, right? And so I would have to give them serious feedback Which was always a really fun time But I would preface it with like this is because you're my brother and I love you and I kind of let you know And then with Brian I think He's a troublemaker. He's not a he's not he's just younger. He's eight years younger So like he was 21 I was 19 No, yeah, and so like you know, I feel like I've lived life I know a lot more and he just steps in. He's like this is what we're gonna do is like Do you know you just dropped out of college? Like what are you talking about? And but he's I respect his boldness his young energy is young energy because I think without that Fearlessness we probably wouldn't be where we are today But there would be a lot of me being like I really hate you right now So but yeah, I really don't cry, but he that kid has made me cry And it's just out of anger and I'm just I hate you so But I can't I'm not gonna I can't punch you I can't and I'm just like Yeah, and then I call Eddie and like I hate this kid that is so sibling. How are you guys though? I mean we're all really Yeah, really yeah, so like whenever like they give me like Advice to like tell me like do something like correctly I like hey she does doesn't take it. She's like okay Classic young That hate it makes me so much. She's my blood. Are you late? Oh no there? You know they're like not I'm late like once in a while. I'm early once in a while. I'm early. You're early. No one said you're not like she's Surprisingly never like always later anything like that, but she just doesn't have Well, you don't really have much like responsibility right now at the moment because she's in high school Yeah, so she's she's on like an easy path, okay, but it'll get there where okay, okay, I have to take on tasks Yeah, but Evelyn's like known to be the later one I am Working on that but the annoying thing is she'll tell us like okay, we're gonna We have yes for like if you guys you guys I'm gonna kill you guys we get there like 350 and she gets it like 4.30 Yeah, it's so annoying Or she'll be like we're gonna start filming at 12 so don't be late and then we show up at like 11.30 and she's still not right now Yeah, yeah, Diva energy. We love it Yeah, as the oldest I have to take her side But like fighting wise Emily and I never really fight Like here it's like scared of her. No, I'm not I think you're just our each gap. No, you're scared of air. No, and then Evelyn and I fight pretty often Okay, we like but heads. Yeah, what is sorry? What is one thing that annoys you the most about each other? So you like this fight sort of fight It's about to get hot and feisty right? Well, I can name a couple things But it's podcasting like three hours long. Well, okay when something happens like the way we are Perspectives are just so different like the way we think is so different that like something happens And she's annoyed about this and I'm annoyed about this But we're both annoyed about like completely different reasons and like Well, I just think sometimes she's pretty like too logical and I'm like okay But like you need to think of it like this like put your freaking feet into my shoes and think about it like this and just like I just don't see it Yeah, she's like okay, I have no idea where you're talking like like you're like Brian You're late and that's what's your best MBTI? I'm I am T.J. Yeah, she's a T. Yeah, I think that's Brian I think exactly I and T.J. Yeah, she's very like logical like need the science back. Okay. What are you? I'm like I'm 50 for 50 for everything though Okay, so I'm like I and she's more feely like she's more like T.J. I Just name all the letters, but So like I don't really know I am C.J. I am T.J. Or I don't know, but like I'm 50 50 for every okay So we're probably similar in that like if you're angry or whatever you're like I can be upset because that's how I feel yeah I'm blinds like but logically that makes sense. I don't give a Logic you just said something that made me mad and this is why I was like but according to the data Your day She's like okay, but your food was right there Like you thought about food one time. Yeah, what was it? What was food? Oh? I want to hear this I want this story. I want this okay, okay I want you Let's do it. I'm gonna give you some backstory. I want it so I was in college at the time midterm season I was so exhausted. I literally pulled again all nighters I ordered food that night and I was I took two bites, but you know when you're so hungry You actually can't really eat that much. Yeah, just stomach Trump. Yeah, so my stomach shrunk So I was like okay, I'm gonna finish this food tomorrow morning and I don't even have to cook because I already have I bought food And I could just microwave it so I wake up the next morning and I'm like oh think I'm so hungry Let me just make myself some food I go in the fridge I open the door and I'm like where the fuck is my Indian food? I'll turn around I turn around okay Evelyn is scrolling on her TikTok. She has a cup of coffee a toe all caught her toast. She made Hasn't taken a single bite of it and she's munching on my Indian food. She's munching on that Like she has star for five years Uh-huh, uh-huh, and then I was like what the fuck are you doing and she's like it wasn't the fridge and I was like You couldn't have asked like I was right and she was like by you were sleeping and I was like You need to ask if you're eating my food and then she was like I she was like chill like I only two bites like I only ate two bites So her whole argument was like she only ate two bites and I was like I don't give a fuck if you ate two bites Yeah, that is my food. I'm hungry and I want it like you didn't ask yeah, and then she was like Like it's not that big of a deal like who just like just eat it now like it literally ate two bites like like, chicken is still there. And I was like, do I look like a give a fuck? (laughing) - So I was also like emotionally exhausted. So like, I accidentally broke a glass cup. - Yeah, but, but, but, but, but, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. - You hold a Lisa Rina. You took a glass and said, that will, - No, no, no, no, not like that. You would think it was like that, but she had a team-oocop, okay? Team-oocop. (laughing) I'm not kidding, it's from team-ooc. It is thin as paper. And I was like drinking water. Yeah, I was drinking water, or it was her coffee. I poured it out down in the drink. - Yeah, my coffee was like fully made. I knew I didn't even take a sip, she walks over. I grabbed it. - Grabbed my coffee, filled it in the sink. - Tumbed in the sink, you best believe I'm gonna fuck. And then I did, and then I wanna go poured it. I literally go and it shatters. And I was like, oh, I'm gonna be called crazy. - Yeah. - Mom is being called on me. And mom's gonna call me crazy as well. And then I go, I'm done with this shit. And then I walk out. - Wow. That's an incredible story. Now I wanna hear from you. - We're aside. - Okay. - Also a great job breaking some glass. - Yeah, I know. - I know. - Were you there for this? - No. - Okay, but I was literally, I did it like this. And it shattered into my hands. And I was like, yeah, that was pretty crazy. - Pretty on his. - Well, I, okay, so Erica, she, we lived together. - Okay. - For a year. - And she always has left over food in my fridge. Like always. It's always just random stuff. On the counter, everywhere. And so obviously it's just a typical day. And I don't eat much. I'll have one or two bites. Literally not a dent in your food. And you don't even want to notice. I probably could have, if she didn't walk out that moment, I probably could have put it back in the fridge and she went and half an hour. - She wouldn't know. - I was like, oh my god, India. And I was kind of craving that. So I was like, I wonder what, is this like chicken tiki masala? Okay, great. I like, she did that. - With my garlic non. - Yeah, so I was like, garlic non, you're delish. I like heated up. And I take a couple bites. 'Cause I have my avocado toast ready. I'm like, I'm like, I'm gonna, - Okay. - You had a meal ready. - My main meal is the avocado toast. So I take a small bite of the chicken tiki masala. And then I hear Erica coming to be like, what are you eating? (laughs) And I'm like, chicken tiki masala. Like, what do you think it is? And she's like, are you eating my food? And she is acting as if I committed a crime. I'm like, but I'm like, - There's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, if you want to - If you want to have a conch toast, give it to you too. - Do you have a presentation you have to speak for? - Like, there's chicken tiki, I can order more. Like, yeah, but it's not. - I could have ended there, but then she had to call my mom and get my mom. - She had a half of the glass was broken. She had to go, oh my god. (laughs) She just broke this glass and I was like, oh my god. - What was the thing? - The thing is, as the older, I'm not the type of like, older sibling that is like, you must pay me respect. - Yeah. - I'm not like that, I'm very chill. But like, Erica was being very, very rude. Like, I feel like the way she could have handled it could have been like, I hate that you ate it and pay me back or something. Like, I don't know. - Dude, I literally said, you could have asked me. I was in bed and you were like, but the way you respond, it's like infuriating. It's like, she's like, I literally ate two bites. I'm like, you could have asked me. You could have asked me. She's like, so the way we were responding to each other, I guess like in the moment it triggered each other and then it was just like, yeah. And then I called my mom and I was like, oh my god, she's being mean. - My little baby sister is being such a little, yeah. Do you ever call her mom about hearing some types of bites? - I think we all do. - Does she take your side more though? 'Cause you're the oldest. - I don't know if it's because I'm the oldest or it's because I'm right. - Mm, I think it's the oldest part. I think it's oldest. - So you guys have the oldest sibling privilege. - No, I don't know. - I don't know. - I think it's oldest sibling privilege. - I don't know. As the oldest, I mean, I don't think we have all the sibling privilege. - I mean, oldest sibling, we go through a lot. - We go through a lot. - The weight of our ancestry is on our shoulders. - Take that. - And so it's a lot. - Exactly. - But I feel you, because Brian behaves in this way. I've given up. This kid has lived in my apartment. No rent. No utility payments. - Oh, guys. - This kid would wear, I would show up and he's wearing all my clothes. I walk in, all my food's gone. - That's so real. - I get a bill for $1,000. I turned air conditioning on and didn't leave. And I'm just like, what are you doing? Like, and he's just like, my bad. (laughing) - That's the my bad move. - He's like, no, he'll be like, I'll just like, Vemma, you bet. (laughing) I'm still waiting. (laughing) - Where's that one? - I'm still waiting. - Where's that Vemma request? - We need Brian on the podcast. - He should come on and defend himself, but I will tear him apart, okay? Because, so that's why I'm like, I don't think it's oldest sibling energy, but then I don't know. I understand where there is friction. - Yeah. - I wasn't like, - Do you know their triggers? - Their triggers? - Yeah, like, do you know what to push? It's like, mm, I'm gonna just press this button and press that one and walk out. - Yeah, but she, she doesn't really get it. - Yeah, she, - She's the best at it. - She's like, no, D1 rage made her. - D1 rage made her? - Yeah, it's good. - You go on singles in first. You need to go on a dating show and just like that. - I think you would like get in a fight with the girl on the show. - Really, you think so? - I know a BB for sure. - No, I think you'd be like oblivious and the girl would like secretly hate you and you'd be like, yeah. (laughing) - Wait, so, but what's the situation now? Are you guys, who lives here? - I live here. - Okay, you live here. - And then I live in New York, but I live in New York. - She moved out. - You're like, I'm telling you. - This used to be here. - Oh yeah, I'm telling you. - This podcast used to be here, yeah, yeah. - And you're fully like, I'm out. - No, literally, I told my mom I cannot live in the same. Like I can't work and live with her. 'Cause then it's a different story. - Life difference, our life style difference is really different. - Yeah, yeah. - Is it early, riser? - I sleep really early. - You and Brian are the same person. - Oh my God, can you be Brian? - You guys are like the same person. Are you late? - Yeah, I'm kind of like whenever. - Goes to bed early. - She goes to bed sometimes when I wake up. (laughing) - That's me. I'm like walking in and he's like up at five and I'm like, he freak. And then he's going to the gym and I'm like stumbling in. - Yeah, yeah. - I just was chilling. - Yeah, so, you know. - I'm like, what can I say? - I'm just doing our thing. - So funny. - And then you're in school? Are you living in a city as well? - No, I still live with my mom back in Jersey. So. - Okay, got it. - Yeah, but I'll be living in New York as soon as I graduate. I can't wait. And I'm definitely not living with you. I mean, this room is welcome. - No. (laughing) - Okay, all righty. Well, I wish all the best. - Thank you so much. - I'm gonna stay up to date with the fights and the-- - Yes, we shall. - Yeah. - And to Brian too. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We should do a brother and sister thing. - We should have a group chat. - Ooh, yeah. - We should have a group chat every time. - Every time we have a fight, we'll like a pool. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - We'll ask for each other to keep a little child. - A little child? - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - The pool, the pool thing on I message. - Oh, yeah. - Who's right and who's wrong? - Last topic is your podcast. How's it going? - Ooh, it's back. - No. - It's back. - It's back. - We are back. We had, we did some traders talk. We have Keshian soon. We just had Anderson Pack and Ray Amion. - Who's your favorite guest? - So many. - She's like, all of them. All of my guests are my favorite. - Do not choose a favorite. - Don't choose a favorite. They're all equally charismatic and really good talkers. - Yes, yes. - Because they are. - Yeah, right. - You know, right. - There are people who are really difficult conversations because they're just very introverted. - Yeah, or PR trained. - Yes, or they don't know what they're talking about. - Ooh. - But it's fine. - No. - That's why that's my job to help them get it out. - Crack it out. - Yeah. - So we did introduce your single in the intro a little bit, but if you wanna talk about it a little bit more, what it's about, like new lover, old lover. - How did it start? - Well, it was about the betrayal. - It was about betrayals. - Because it's like, so the way I write my music, I usually have like two or three songwriters in the room, and we'll just talk through like what happened. It like, what are you feeling? What are you thinking about? And I don't remember exactly what happened on that day, but somehow we ended up on a song about getting sound to the back because as I've shared, it happens to me a lot. And that's kind of how it happened, but this is the first song of like a few singles that lead into an album, and the entire thing is actually about loneliness. - Oh. - So the entire campaign and the album is all about loneliness. - Oh. - Because. - I'll be listening to that. - We're so lonely, everybody. I mean, I don't know. I think there's romantic loneliness, like relationship loneliness, but also like, I think as you get older, it's harder to make friends. Or like a sense of community. - In a sense of community. And I think as so many people are more engaged than ever online, like they're isolated in their algorithms. And so I tend to meet a lot of people at random events, doing a lot of things, but then I sometimes walk away from it's like, who are my friends? Like who did I, like who are these people? And are they actually like people that I could call on? If I'm in trouble or if I need advice or whatever. And then because of the multiple jobs that I have, I travel a ton. And so what ends up happening is I spend a lot of time on the road alone. So I, what year is this? 26? Yeah, 24. I did not spend more than seven days in a single place the entire year. What? I counted. Oh crap. It was every, with no longer than seven days in a single city. Oh my God. So when that happens, I just, I'm just always moving from place to place, show up, do the job, leave. And it sounds like, oh Eric, like you're so privileged to be working. I'm like, yeah, but like you don't see the sacrifice of like, I don't have friends around me and my family around me. I don't have like relationships. All I do is work. And so as I started writing this project, I think I was like, wow, I think I'm really lonely. I'm not necessarily depressed or sad about it. But because you spend so much time alone, it hits you and then you start to realize like, you learn a lot more about yourself. So this album is very introspective in that way of like the realizations that you have when you spend time alone. How do you maintain a relationship then? I just, I care. You just don't. So you're not in a relationship. No, I haven't been. It's been years. Like how long? Well, leave it there. I don't know. It's been a while. Oh really? Do you want to be in a relationship? I do and I don't because I also know that when I'm in a relationship, I'm like super in it. And I tend to like let everything else slide. Right, right, right. Like my work suffers. Yeah, really? And a big part of that was, it's less so now, but even like two, three years ago, because I work with my brothers, it hit me that if I'm not working, my brothers aren't working. So it's like a full, it's not just my brothers and it's like the entire companies. That's so true. Right? So at peak, we had like, at that time, I think we had up to like 40, 50 people working. Wow. You had a village. We had a lot of people. And so I'm like, if I'm not in it, like that's potentially like 40, 50 people that are literally affected by me. Oh, that's a lot. And that's a lot of responsibility that I don't take lightly. You know, especially when we have investors and like we've taken money, like it's not a joke. And then going back to like, now I got to this place where I'm like, okay, I am on these shows. I have three movies. I have an album. I have a tour. And now is, it feels like this is the opportunity for me to have some sort of really interesting breakthrough or a moment. And I can't slow it out now. Like I've worked to this for over a decade. So this is like, can we make it work? Now. So that's where I'm just like, you just got to focus. Like you sit down, strap in, let's go. Yeah. And that's kind of where I am right now. I'm so excited for the songs now. Thank you. Do you have a title of like your favorite one? You want to slip in there? Let's see. There is a few. One is called, God, you guys are going to be exclusive. I mean, my marketing team might call it like you have to bleep these out. There is one called Make Me Cry. And it's about wanting to be in love or find that person that you would like die without. So to have somebody that would pulverize you if you were to lose them. And then there's another one called Psycho. It's about yourself. Maybe. No, but it's, I think the line that kind of sums that over, is it love though if it is it the Psycho? Like obsessed and in love with this person, is it really love? Like that kind of thing. You sound like a very like a romanticist. Yes. I see. Why? Why? I thought you would give good advice. No, I think I give okay advice. I am romantic and a romanticist. Is that a word? I don't know. I just made that up. I'm just like a romanticist. Yeah. I think so. I think I'm just like, let's go. One day. One day. And so I have a song called Someday. Oh! That's coming out of me. So it all kind of, in conversation and all kind of makes sense. And so I think this will be perhaps one of the most like honest, raw, vulnerable albums that I put out. Wow. I can't wait to study it when it comes out. You can't take it. I want to study it. You okay? Do you want water? Do you want water? Oh my god. I want to do the wrong thing too. Can you give me the sparkly water? Do you have a favorite artist? I can't pick a favorite artist. I really can't. What kind of music you listen to? Literally anything that sounds good. Like I don't have a favorite genre. I just have. I just listen to anything that I actually, I'm a musician. You are. I studied classical music. What? Guess which instrument she used to play. I went to college for it. She majored in this. She dedicated her whole life to me. You can say it like that. I want to say like the harp or something. Or like the triangle. That's cool. Like the triangle. I don't know. I don't know. Flute. Close. Oh, bow. Yeah. How did that come back? It's almost sick. No way. The oboe leads the orchestra. It's almost sick. And then everybody goes, "Yes, how is it?" I was sick. How is it an orchestra too? No, really. What did you do? I played the cello. Drums. I played the drum guy. Thank you. The cello boys are so hot. When I was a child. That's not your hobby. What a hero. You are hot. What do you say? I just say when I was orchestra, all the cello boys were hot. Did you play in a youth orchestra thing as well? In high school, I would audition for the state and county and all that stuff. Then audition for college. My initial goal was to be at the New York Philharmonic. Did you ever audition and do all that stuff? No, I quit actually right before that happens. Covet happened. Covet happened and then you started in social media. That's fascinating. What did you study? Business. I'm taking Gapier right now. Sick. Where are you at? I'm at Fordham University. Got it. And you're like, "F***k, f***k, f***k." Yeah, I'm like Gap Forever. Are you going to go to school? That's enough. TBD. That's enough. I'm going to go to a blink in there. And mom's feeling okay about that? I guess so. Just chill. Mom's like a little still on the fence, anxious. Yeah. But like she gets it now. She just wants me to experience it. I mean I think it's fun. Yeah, I think it's a good experience. Yeah. Maybe I'll just like Gap like to. Yeah, well you're in the Gap like. Just go for like, go for a freshman year. So like you make your friends. And then you're like, "Peace." Bye. Yeah, no. Yeah, exactly. All right, let's wrap up with fan wrap-up fire. Yeah. I'll sit first. Okay. Would you give $100,000 to someone you met three weeks ago? In the context of a game, yes. And really? So this is what happened. I know where this is coming from. On traders, Rob, who won was like, "Would you give $100,000?" Now, when you meet three, so go, I was like, "Yes, because I helped you win the game." Right. Now, if you were to just somebody walk up to me, and you'd be like, "We give you $100,000." I was like, "No!" What is your skincare routine? How do you look like you're 22? Because he is. I'm 19, actually. That's a very offensive question. Oh, wow. Yeah. My skincare routine is Korean skincare things, you know? You do any treatments? Yeah. Anyone, anything you recommend? Where do we start with the treatment? Honestly, I go to Korea and I go to the people-quad. And I was like, "Give me everything." I was like, "Just do it." Just do it. Just do it. And then they have the clay mass and the lasers. I think I've tried a lot of different things. No surgery or anything, because that freaks me out. But plenty of lasers. I will say. I don't even know what they're called. What's your comfort food after a long day of filming? It depends on where I'm at. If I'm in Korea, it's going to be like, "Doppoki." At night, which is really crazy. It's like "Doppoki" with chicken and- Cheesy or spicy. Not all those spicy. Oh, yeah. You're asking for pain, but yeah, I'll do that. And then in the States, I feel like if I'm in LA, I'm going to Sanongdang, which is like kkai-bitang. Ooh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I love that. Or there's like a little, in front of my apartment, there's a taco truck guy. Oh, period. And it's like $2 a taco. Oh, fuck. I was so mad. And I watched this back. Every time I watch it back, I get serious anxiety. I get- I get- I just like- No way. But it's fine. Genuinely, like, I really like Rob. We're good friends. More and our good friends. Like, Rob and I went to SNL and then we were out at the after and after after until like six, eight, eight, eight, eight. And then we walked out and we're like, "Oh, the sun's out." We should go. Oh, that is so fun though. So fun. Oh, my god, I love that. What do you have a secret talent? A secret? I feel like all of my talents I have had to use to get to where I am. There are no more secrets. I use them all. I use them all. I'm like, really? I'm like, really? I'm like, really? Queuing my way to relevancy in this. Secret therapist, maybe. Oh, yeah. I'm actually a good- I'm a great therapist, my friends. Oh. Same. I have so many friends that call me for advice. Yeah. But there are those where I'm just like, I can't answer this while I call anymore. Yeah. I know it's gonna take three hours. - Yeah. - And for my mental health, I need to go to bed. - Right, yeah. - But yeah. - You're a wise man. You're a wise and can tell. (laughing) - Okay, what's on your writer? - Oh, my writer is very simple. It is sparkling water, coconut water, honey, and berries. That's like it. - There he is. - He's a simple man. - A simple wise man. - I love your superlatives. - Right. - If you could join any K-pop group, which one would it be? - Relicate and Edison's conference. - Oh no. I mean, I will say Big Bang would have been really cool. - Ooh. - Big Bang, great. BTS also great. - I guess. - Big Bang, I think, was like the group that was like, for me growing up, was like holy crap. This is crazy. - Yeah. - I feel great when you're talking about this with one's next tour. - Next tour is, I can't say exactly when. - Ooh. - Because, well, so here's the thing. There's potentially like a film project, and because of that, like it might get moved, and so blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but within the year, within the next year. - In 2026. - Within the next year of 12 months. - Right. - Somewhere in there, something will happen. - Oh my God. - So soon. - Yes. - So soon. - Yes. - Crazyest or funniest fan interaction. - Today was funny. We were doing a street interview and all of a sudden, outside the windows, and they were like, is that Eric? - No way. - No way. - And I look up in this Australian couple, who was like, we're watching you on traders. - No way. - It was really funny. - Oh, that's so funny. - You're casting for a Korean version of traders. Who would you cast? - First of all, the three of you. - Oh. - The B4C. - I think this would make great TV. - Yeah. - I would think you. - Chloe Kim. - Oh, gag. - I'm gonna put in Steven Young, Justin Han. - Ooh. - 'Cause he's just chaos. - Yeah. - And then from Korea, I feel like we need, oh, like a J-Hope. (gasps) Because his energy is like, he gives really good, like, exciting energy all the time. - It's so true. - Oh, this is such a great question. Do you know, I'm Siwan, the actor? - Oh, really? - He plays the villain in SWAGAME, too. - Oh, oh. - Oh. - Oh my god, I love him. - He's very smart. And he's also very-- - I feel like very great. - He's also, he can be very like-- - It's your teacher. - Yeah. - He could be one. Who would you throw in? - My mom. - Your mom? - So the four of you. - Yeah, the four, the Haw fam. - But could you imagine, like imagine, you're playing this game, there's 20 of you, right? One or two of you is a traitor. - Is a traitor? - And you have to figure out which one of you is killing everybody in the house. - Ooh. - If I was a traitor, do you guys think you would be able to figure it out? - What would her tell me? - She's just really bad at lying. - Back to her. - And she's also just like, or I think she would-- - You would out yourself even though you're not the traitor. Like everyone would find you sus, even though you're not traitor. - Oh, like you think, okay. - Yeah. - You'll be like, I swear I'm not it. And then I'm like, okay, well she's it. - Yeah, yeah. - She actually wasn't a traitor. - If you had to delete one song from your discography, which one would it be, and why? - Ooh, great question. There is a song on my first EP called "Chu Gos Hara." It means to like live with erasing you. Like erase you and live. And I remember just hating to it. Like-- - Was it a ballad? - It's a ballad. - And I just remember like, absolutely hating recording that song. And I was like, I don't even know what this is talking about. - There's like no soul behind the singing. - And they were like, your pronunciation's all weird. And I was fighting with them every day. Like there was a song called "Love Song" and they're like, your pronouncing love wrong. I was like, bro, the word is love. And they're like, no, it's love-o. I was like, no. (laughing) - I was like, love. I was like, no, it's like, 'cause I remember it was like, I love you. And they're like, no, it's I love you. I was like, no. I was like, bro. - That's so, that would be crazy. - It was crazy. And it took so long to do these songs. I was like, I don't know what I'm singing. - Right. - And the only word I know love, apparently, I can't pronounce properly. - It was so fun. - But yeah, I think it would be erase whatever that thing. - Rapping up what's next, what else can fans expect from you in 2026? - In 2026. All right, ladies and gentlemen, let me tell you about this real quick. - So, down, which you're not going on? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's a song right now called How the Fire Started. It's out right now. It's Fire. - Better than that. - It's called Make Me Cry, come and tune. And then there's a few more singles and an album coming in the summer. - Oh, dying. That's a lot. - Yeah, in the summer. It's coming. - Summer. - In the summer. And then we have a movie. Yeah, Avatar That Last Airbender. There's another movie called Loser. I don't know when it's coming out, but it's Lucas Cage, Julia Fox, and Gary Rice, and Finn Bennett and myself. Like, time traveling and doing things. - That is really cool. - Yeah. And then I have another movie. It's a K-pop movie. That's not like in really say about it. - Oh, you can't say more. - I don't know what's like publicly available right now in terms of information. - So you can't tell us. - Yeah, but like there's a lot of great people in it. - Oh, that's a lot of wonderful actors and cameos and music and K-pop. Do you know K-pop? Are you the K-pop? You're the K-pop. - Do you even know how it does? - You're so the pop. (laughing) - Wait, BTS. - You're Blackpink. Are you guys Blackpink? - But yeah. (laughing) - You're just bad, everyone. (laughing) - Yeah, so yeah, that's, and then a tour. So, bye, that's my 2026. - He's a book-acse in Hawaii. - Yeah, that's not that much. - No, no, no, no. - Can you do your avatar voice? - Ooh. - Yeah, it's just my talking voice. - Oh, I-- (laughing) - Yeah, so-- - Hey guys, I'm in. It was-- - I will tell you, like, I'm very curious how it comes together because I was like, do I have to like deepen my voice? Is like, hey guys, or do I have to be like, it's young, and he has like, hey, what's up? And they're like, just stop. - Just talk. - And I was like, oh, I feel stupid. - Oh, that's so cool. - That's so cool. How did you get casted for that? - I think the audition took like a month. It was like multiple rounds of taping, of recording, and then being pulled into a room with the creators and all the casting people, the director. And we did like multiple rounds of different scenes. - Wow. - And it was long. - Thank you. - So that's, I feel really good about that one because I was like, I really feel like I had to earn that role. So yeah, it was an arduous process. - That's gonna be so cool watching the movie and like hearing your own voice. - Are you not gonna- - I get to watch it for the first time this week. - Oh. - It's like a screening. - No way. - So excited. - Super stark in LA. So but it's just like cast and crew, I'm nervous because as a musician, like I dissect like where are the note ends? Like hey, or hey, or like I dissect everything, even like the breath. - Oh wow. - And I hope nobody else can know, we'll know, where my head's at, or like how I'm feeling that day and it's not seamless, but I know that I will know. And I hate that I will know. - Oh. - So I have to like remind myself to be like, this is a movie snap out of it. And like the directors and everybody that did it, like these were your best takes. - Right. - From their perspective. So you have to trust them. That's the hard thing about acting. You are one piece of a thousand and you have no control. Like you have 30 seconds for this one scene and you have like two or three takes and that's it. That's all you can do. If you don't get it, they're moving on and they have to say like that was the best that we got. - Damn. - And then hopefully they can edit it well. - What? - So that's why like acting is for me, so difficult. - Yeah. - It seems really hard. - Yeah music is like, I'm gonna rerecord that over and over. Acting is so- - Damn. - I thought you would have to like redo acting - Yes. - Until they like it. - I mean in an ideal world, that's the situation. But when it's in any film or if they're really tied on schedule, it's you have like maybe two or three takes. And it's really tough. - Yeah, and even this one of the films I did, I remember I was like, I got there, I did hair makeup, I waited for 13 hours and it was the last scene of the day. I had done nothing that day. I just waited. And they're like, okay, Eric, you're up. And I did three takes of thumbs up. And that was my entire day. - Oh wow. - Great, that was a great thumbs up. - Oh please. - Wrap up. (laughing) - You're telling me. - You're telling me. - I sat here for 13 hours to do this. Three ways, it was this, this, and this. And I was like, I don't know if acting is my thing. - I love acting. When you guys see a thumbs up, just know. I spent 13 hours in a room, including throughout, probably like 16 hours that day to give you an incredible thumbs up. I hope my fingers were looking beautiful like that. - Please make non-stop edits. (laughing) Eric just going like this to make up for his time. - Please. Literally. - Well, we're so excited to stay tuned with all your activities. And thank you so much for coming. - And we have more thus. - Of course, no, thank you all so much for making time for me. - And congratulations on everything. You guys are killing it. - We still have to do one more thing. - Oh my god. - Yeah. - It's our tradition. - What is it? - You have to tie this. - I wear a wall. - Oh, that's hot. - Yeah. - That's hot. - You can be many of the gorgeous lips on the wall. - Okay, I'm gonna make a really sloppy kiss then. - Ooh. - Hope you like having red lips. - All right. - Here comes Eric's red lip moment. Have you ever done a red lip before? - Yeah. - This is my first time. - Ooh. - How much do you need to put on? - Just enough that. - You wanna? - Wait, why do guys apply lipstick like that? - They go like this. - 'Cause we have no idea. - Amazing. (laughing) - I love it. - I love it. - Hot. - That's actually pretty perfect. - I love it. - I just got, all right. - Am I excited? - Yeah. - Yes. - Whoa. - Whoa. - I need to get a signature. We're selling the Sunny Bay guys. Just kidding. - Yay! - Yay! - Thank you so much. - Thank you. - Guys, go listen to it songs and we'll see you guys next time. - Bye! - Bye! - Peace. (upbeat music)