What should you watch on TV this Fall?

So, quick summer recap. Heat waves, data leaks, AI hacks, folding phones, and a viral spinally challenged record. Yeah, I think that covers it, right? I'm Thomas Germain. I'm Jess Maddox, and the interface is back from its summer break. New season, new co-host, same deep dives into the tech that's shaping our world and our lives. So, before AI wipes out all of humanity. Allegedly. Join us for the interface. Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. Days are getting shorter, nights are getting longer, and you know what that means. Yes, it's fall. But it's also that magical time where we are blessed with the gifts of new and returning television shows. I'm El Amin Abdul-Mahmoud. This is commotion, Roxana Haddadi's here, Riley S. Knows here, and Jackson Weaver is here, and hello to all of you. Hello. Nice to have you here. Listen, we got so much new TV to talk about. I think we should start with North of North for you guys that might season two just arrived. Right? Season two, the comedy series just premiered on CBC and APTN. The show centers on CIA, and CIA is so funny. And she's played by Annalam. She's trying to figure out her life. She's just separated from her husband. And she's like, okay, how do I make sense of the life that I'm living now in a Halloween where everyone knows everyone? Riley, I'll start with you. You're a fan of season one. I am. You want to talk about what you enjoy about North and North? Yeah. I mean, there's a lot to like about North of North. For me, one of the things that I especially love is that it's a show, yes, that everybody's invited. It's universally funny, but I think that its primary audience is indigenous people. And that they make sure that that's the audience that's going to see this foremostly, and be like, I loved that. Right. I felt very seen by that. And yeah, non-indigenous people are invited to join in. But things like when you see Tanya Tagak show up or Lacklick-Lick Williams. And you see Landback on the back of a jacket and stuff like that. Those are details that a non-indigenous audience might gloss over. But then for us, you look and you're like, oh my god. There's an excitement. Yeah, I'm sorry. Okay, so you're a fan of season one. You've now had a chance to watch the first couple episodes of season two. What do you think, pal? I really am so excited about the second season. And the first episode especially, I think really showed me one of the things that I think north of north does so well. Which is that it is still so funny. It's still so heartwarming CIA. You root for her. You want her, you know, to get all these things that she wants. And she's so relatable. Like, you know, she's a 20-something that's, yes, trying to figure out a lot of things. But still so rooted in her culture and her community. And so she's very easy to root for character. And then at the same time, you've got all of these white folks up in the internet. The cruise ship tourists. The boss, the influencer, like, and it's these archetypes that are so relatable and make for such good comedy as well. So I love that they have these pieces as well as like the heartfelt, rootable characters and storylines. I want to come back to the boss. The white folks are up there including the boss in just a moment. But Roxanne and Jackson, there's something very familiar, I think, about the format of north or north. Just as a sitcom as you watch it. Is that the thing that makes it work, Roxanne? I do think that it has like a real knowledge of sitcoms. Like, it's aware of the genre with which it's playing. And I think it hits on some typical touchstones of the sitcom. I mean, the entire conceit of a small town is trying to get attention and respect for itself is very pony. It's very important. Widows bed. Yeah, it's very widow's bay. Like, it is very much like, what can we do? And I have our comedy to build a really strong sense of place. Give us a wacky town with a bunch of wacky characters. And so I think that shout out pony. So I think that it does that really, really well. And there's like a level of familiarity when we watch this show. Then coupled with like how unique this place is and these rituals and these people. And so it's just, it's a very smart and clever redo of the sitcom. Jackson, for you as you watch it show, like what's the thing that you think makes north or north work? I mean, I think that it very much is rooted in the style of sitcom. And that's normally not a style for me. I'm very much always arguing with people about how I don't like episodic. I like serialized. I want to watch a show where if I watch like the third episode of the second season, I want to have no clue what's going on because you need to watch the prior one. Not necessarily entirely what North and North is doing. It's very much in the best of ways an easy watch. Somebody that's easy to root for it has comedy that's accessible. But at the same time, there is more going on there. As you know, as you noted exactly about the kind of cultural tensions that are discussed, about even the inter familial tensions, the tensions between like what different people's backgrounds are. And I think it's done in artfully enough of a way with a deceptively complex writing style. I will argue that that gets me into it. That's what gets me into a sitcom style that I don't necessarily usually like. There's maybe going too deep. There's like sadness there. There's issues there. There's a depth there that I really, really appreciate. And I am finding myself drawn to it more and more as it goes on. I think deceptively complex is exactly the thing that I like about this show. I think it's working on a bunch of different levels. And so I just want to play this clip from this from the first episode of season two. We've kind of established already in the in the style of Pawnee and in the style of Widows Bay. We're talking about the residents of icecobe icecobe, which is a fictional community. And they are doing the thing where they're trying to attract more tourists to come visit. And C.I. is boss, a white person. At the community center is hoping a young influencer who's not, you know, can help. This clip starts with one of the influencers Instagram posts about icecobe. Icecobe, none of it, not a vegetable in sight. So today we are trying some muttuck. I'm also learning the language. Happy's Hello. This is who Helen picked to represent our community. For real can't get enough of her content. It's one cliche after another. Well, exactly. It's cringe-gold. Various her videos did kind of alert the cruise lines to icecobe in the first place. Look, Alexis is sweet, but she's sweet and culturally problematic. Oh, yeah. The title of my biography. No, you might want to meet the radio next time. Right. I do feel like that clip does a lot, actually. It's just like just a little moment, right? Because you get the sort of the DNA of North of North. It's just like, it's funny, but there's also a lot of layers going on there. What's going on? Totally. I mean, I think one of the most impressive things about North of North is the way that the butt of the joke is often again, the white people in icecobe. Whether it's the boss, whether it's this influencer, whether it's the tourists, but they do this in a way that I don't think alienates a white audience. In this storyline in that first episode with the influencer, it's a perfect example where, at the end of the episode, spoiler alert, if you don't want to hear this, but it's just that they say, at the end, that was hard to hear, but not necessarily wrong. And then the creator learns that she can still support the community, film it, show its beauty without having to be the face of it. And so, in that way, they're also being very, I think, instructive to white audiences, where it's like, yeah, sometimes you're acting a fool, but we're not condemning you. And there are pathways to being actually a meaningful part of this community. And I think that they thread that needle so gracefully in a way that I think it could make some people upset, but the humor, the way that they treat even those characters, those problematic characters with a little bit of grace, really helps curb that. Well, sometimes you're actually a fool, but we're not condemning you. It's the most generous thing you can say to a person. Roxana, 30 seconds to you. What are you hoping to see from the rest of this season? We talked about this a little bit earlier, but I think that there are some characters that are really fascinating and prickly in a way that you don't always get in sort of this sitcom format. And I'm speaking specifically about the character of Nevee, who is CIA's mother, who's played by Micah Harper. She is a recovering alcoholic. She runs the general store. I want to know what's her deal. What's she going to get up to? I have a great talk to you about you. I mean, I'd like everything we've mentioned so far in the show is so well done. Almost a little bit of an impossible ask. I would like them to dig a little bit deeper into that criticism, that's specifically the influencer where she really acknowledges her guilt and I'm going to fix everything and I'm a good person with her friends again. I would like them to go a little bit deeper, be a little bit more explorative. And as was mentioned as well, the backstory about Nevee, the prickliness, there's a lost daughter aspect. I want to see if they can be a little bit more substantive, but while maintaining this lighthearted good comedy, and that's an impossible ask. Well, I was going to say, as you were saying, I was like, "Jackson, say, hey, can you get a little darker but keep being funny, though?" Can you be? There's most diverse and difficult to write show of all time. Please, that's all I would like. I really love the expectations you're just standing with the show. That's a perfect place to be. Riley, what about you? Yeah, yeah, no, here, here, I want to see, because I left the last season of North of North crying. Like, I was like, "Oh, I felt so emotionally moved by the end." And I can see them building towards that emotional high, perhaps introducing a new character of Nevee's lost child. Yes. I want to see what that looks like. And I also want Cia and Cooke to get together. I'm sorry, I need Alexis to leave. I know we just redeemed you, but get out of my comforts, Cia. I can have your boyfriend. Let's see if this is where we end up going. You can catch season two of North of North on CBCJM and AB. We are going to take a quick break and then when we come back so much more fault TV to talk about. In a world where the news feels bigger, louder and harder to make sense of, Canadians need more than headlines. Hi, I'm Karen C. Olin, News reporter and host of The Big Story Podcast. From world shaping events to the everyday stories that spark debate, my team and I will explain what matters and why it matters to you. We're here to help you make sense of the news and give you the context you need for those kitchen table conversations, trusted, Canadian focused, curious. Listen to The Big Story, wherever you get your podcasts. We are back. I'm Elimine Abdul Mahmoud and this is commotion and I've got Roxana Haddaddi here on Riley, Yesno here and Jackson Weaver here. I want to get into some of the other shows that we're all looking forward to this fall. Roxana, I'm going to start with you. You wanted to talk about the HBO comedy show Youth. Why is that show on your radar? Go off. I am very excited for youth for two words and those two words are Sharon Horgan. Let's go. Sharon Horgan. Sharon Horgan is incredible creator of bad sisters on Apple TV. Yes, yes. Yes. Later of bad sisters. She has such a long line of television shows that she has created shining veil, bad sisters. She has this very acidic dark comedy style that I really, really respond to. I think bad sisters was, I don't even know how to talk about it. I mean, it was a show that was very skeptical and resentful toward men, which like respect. But it also had, had just like a very strong core of family and an understanding of sibling relationships in particular in a way that I really appreciate. All of that is to say her new show is Youth and it is about a divorced woman whose son is going to college. And so she finally realizes like maybe I can live a little bit for myself. So it is sort of a sex exploration comedy. A little bit like dying for sex, but without like the inherent tragedy of that show. Yeah. And a little bit of like when you're sort of like free of the burden of taking care of someone. How do you not take care of yourself? There is this great moment in the trailer in an early episode where she's trying to eat a burger on a bus and it drops on the floor of the bus. And she is about to take it up and eat it. And then notices another woman watching this. Finally, the shame appears. But like that moment of trying to just like be really hedonistic and failing. Yeah. I think you really, really fun. I'm looking forward to that. I do feel like for me like I don't know about you right. But like for me, like Sharon Horge is one of those people while you keep watching them make better and better and better and better and better stuff. And then they finally get to this moment and go like, okay, let this person cook. Let this person have all the freedom we could possibly have. Totally. And I feel like when I saw the trailer for Youth, I was like, oh, this is that arrival moment. This is not that she needs to arrive in any kind of meaningful way. But like this is going to sort of maybe introduce her to a whole new audience and maybe hasn't seen her billions before. Yeah. Totally. I mean, bad sisters again is I watched it. Love Sharon Horge in that. And I think that I watch her in Bob's Burgers. Also, she voices a lot of pictures and Bob's Burgers. You know, I've now I got to the point where I could see her in all these places. And I was like, who is this woman? And now I'm like addicted. And so anything that she's in, I will give the time of day. But you're right that I don't know that everybody has reached that point with her yet. Where they see her recognize her and know that she picks interesting characters. She makes interesting shows. And like, I think that maybe you're right. This can be a nice world where she can ascend to have everyone feel this way. The comparison that I make Jackson is like, everyone's a while you get to someone go like, oh, this person should be way more famous. And like, I kind of go like, oh, I hope this is the thing that makes him as famous as they actually need to be speaking of. You are, you are. And this is the pivot point. This is the thing that you've been doing because you are here to talk about Anthony Mackie show. Yes. Anthony Mackie, you know, came on my radar. I don't know. Eight miles. So it's been a minute, you know what I mean? And yet, he's still not had that big blow up moment. He's got a new show. You want to talk about it? I mean, yeah, 12, 12, 12. It's a heist show. It is about the gimmick is, I think it's 12 months before heist. How long it takes to plan a heist? And there's the 12 hours, I believe, of the heist actually taking place. And then you see the 12 days after the heist where the show says that if a bank robber isn't caught in those 12 days and they get off scot free. So it's set up in a very gimmicky way. Yeah. Anthony Mackie is the character that play. He is like this discreased detective that is trying to track down another character, Jamie Dornin. It's like the villain of the character. So I'm really into heist. I think that they're so simplistic and silly and they give you exactly what you're looking for in terms of. You know what's going to happen. You know there's going to be like the getting the team together seen. You know, there's going to be the like intricate safe cracking scene. You know, there's going to be the car chase whenever there's no surprises. And I love being given what I'm asking for. So we were like, Rumpum because the predictable. I love a heist because it's predictable. We're not reinventing the wheel. But when it comes to Anthony Mackie, he came up to my radar. I think actually first with pain and gain. One of the most unsung movies of all time. I think it is a genius master work and everyone hates it but me. But he's like a side character. Silly doesn't really do. Do you say pain and gain rocks? I love that movie. I think it's a capitalism. It's such a good character piece. Anthony Mackie is weird. A character actor in it. More recently, I think he's been cast as kind of like a leading man. They try to like Glenn Powell him and shave off the edges. Make him Captain America. Put him in everything Marvel. And I don't think anything has really hit because I don't think that's who he really is. I don't know about the show yet. It might be bad. It might be terrible. But I think it gives at least the possibility from to be funny. Odd, weird, interesting in a way that can make him as famous. I think he deserves because right now he is almost everything is just not hitting because they're trying to make him Glenn Powell. No one he did good at. I'm the loving heist thing. Yes. I can watch 1000 putting together a team sequence. 100%. I actually don't even need the heist to happen. Yes. I'm putting together a team. Even in this conversation. We're putting together a team. You guys want to come to this table. That's it. I'm going to go like let's do that again. Let's put together a different team. Those sequences are always kind of the best. 12 12 12 is on Apple TV plus on November 13th. And also the show that you mentioned earlier, Roxana, the youth that premieres on HBO, which is also going to be on crave in Canada on September 20th. Riley, the thing you're excited about is Dig, which is an Amy Polar joint. Amy Polar, Mike sure to be in a pony. Let's talk about it. Why are you saying that dig? Oh my gosh. Okay, so I think the thing is when I look at like my top 10 favorite shows of all time, a lot of them are comedies. However, I will say, I think comedies when they hit are so good and they're so easy to do bad. It's way easier to do bad than I think a drama even. 100%. But the premise of dig is we're talking about like archaeologists working together on archaeological site. They're just add a dig. That's what? Yes. What? That doesn't lend itself immediately to Amy Polar. That's a workplace. That is a workplace now. Workplace comedy. We're going to work. Yes. And I mean, and it's maybe not as relatable as Leslie, no, Pony being in the, you know, the government. But like, I think that might even make it give it that extra little flavor where I don't feel like she's quite replicating parks and wrecking that way. But she's still bringing in the comedy heavy hitters, you know, her creative collaborators. Hugh Laurie is also going to be in it as well. My man. I'm what kind of character he could be a super serious one, he could be a really ridiculous one. He could be house. I want it. That sounds great. And so I want it and I Amy Polar is again, one of those people that she's earned the benefit of the doubt for me where anything that she does, I will watch it and go in with a high expectation and have usually not been let down. So I'll, I'll be there for dig. She loves the laugh. She's ready to laugh. Okay. So we should say dig premieres on peacock on November 23rd. We are still waiting for the information on when that's going to be available in Canada. I think it will. It's a matter of sort of waiting for the details of that. I do want to pivot to some of the big adaptations that are going to be coming to our screens as far. You've got East of Eden. You've got Pride and Prejudice is also carry that was of course like you have the, you have the movie, but you were getting, we're getting carry the series Jackson. What are your expectations for the series? I mean, I'm really excited by how this is going to get built out. It's a very spare movie. And as I have learned, a very spare novel. So to make it into a mini series, you're going to need to build it out a lot. I'm excited for that. I think that is one of the craziest and most surreal revenge stories where your heroes and your villains are inverted and you root for this person that maybe don't necessarily think you should root for. Yeah. It's getting adapted for the modern day. I think it'd be tricky to make, you know, like a bullying story in the 80s, even 90s work for the social media age without it feeling like a very special episode sort of thing. That's true. I'm really hopeful for it. I have a problem with Mike Flanagan. I think that he's kind of like a bad Ryan Murphy in the sense that he will take a controversial cultural subject and they'll try to nest it through the narrative. And I think Ryan Murphy kind of can exploit my issues like monster Jeffrey Dahmer is like about like black people being the less dead. And I think that, you know, American crime story can be about, you know, misogyny or can be about depiction of black people and courts, etc. And he does it in a way that I think is exploitative, but it works as he understands those issues. Mike Flanagan has a much more surface idea of all these issues and they just feel thrown on top. And at the same time, I don't believe he believes that children have interior lives. So they all talk like they're from leave it to be ver and I hate it. I hate it so much. And this is all about high school. So we'll see if you can do a good job of it. I'm ready to be here. crew and wrong, but I was hateful enough of the saccharin, self-indulgent life of chalk that I don't know. We'll see. - Yeah, the idea of you going, these don't sound like real children. Where does going on with these girls? - There's a scene in one of his shows where there's this kid at a dinner or a breakfast table. It's like, "Dad, you're missing breakfast." - No 12-year-old has ever said that ever. - I'm making that. - I just would like to paint a picture of the folks listening on the radio, which is just Jackson going off. And Riley going, "I don't think I've ever felt "that passionate about it." I'm like, "My plan is somewhere, he can feel this." I'm like, "Where ever he is." - And this is my personal issue. He's always the very talented and all this stuff is good for people. - I don't know. The universe is like, "Roxanne, where are you? "What are your expectations for Carrie?" - Hey, I need to work through what just happened. - Why do we all do it? - Literally, the words "bad" Ryan Murphy. I was like, "No, that's just Ryan Murphy." Like, "What are you?" - Ryan Murphy. - Ryan Murphy's good at exploiting my emotions in a very terrible way. - I was like, "Why am I doing the Trump pants?" And I was like, "What, Ryan Murphy?" Look, Ryan Murphy, sometimes you can cut a hit, sometimes you can cut a knot. - This is a chaotic show, but yes. - All I will say is that like, I think I've seen the shards. Like, Ryan Murphy is not good at understanding teenage interior lives. Like, I don't think we need to give the man that much credit. I am excited for Carrie because I think that there is potential if you were bringing this story into the 2020s. I think there is something interesting that can be said about the religious fundamentalism that Carrie grows up within. So I'm less interested in the adolescent side of it because I'm not interested in teenagers. But I am interested in what is the atmosphere in which this Carrie grows up? And how does that manifest and who the character is? I generally am a pro-Flanagan guy. So I do think that he has a sense of, I'm going to say the word trauma. (laughing) So I think that there could be something like really fascinating here. But yeah, it's a lot for an eight-hour series to take a very small, essentially, story. So we'll see how that goes. - So Carrie comes out on Prime Video on October 7th and there's one more that we got to talk about, which is on Christmas Day. HBO's new Harry Potter adaptation, right? Each book is gonna be its own season. So you know for sure you're getting seven seasons. Also, this is the first screen adaptation since the controversy around Jekyll Rowling over the comments that she's made about trans people. Riley, I'll go to you on this, man. What are your feelings about a new Harry Potter adaptation? - Boo, I'm like, this is my end of something. I'm like, we don't need it. I think this is like somebody put it to me. We're like, I think a lot of people, the only reason like this is happening, of course, is because we, it has been proven that people, my age and I think older, are so nostalgic about this era that they can still milk all of this money out of it and make a million bad video games. - Millennials are, oh my God. - So you will like this. - Whoa, we'll react to this. - Sorry. - And you're here. The thing is to me though, right? Is that like, yes, you loved it in your kid brain. And then you, as an adult, should see the critiques of even those original books and know that it wasn't great fantasy. Even then, you know, like that there's better fantasy out there, that the racism, the, you know, misogyny, the whatever. And I'm like, you look like you're about to cry, I mean, I love this, but then I, the thing is, and so you see this now and I'm like, okay, now I can invest in, and I think we should as a society be investing in better fantasy, JK Rowling aside. And then you add JK Rowling into the picture. And there's no amount of nostalgic good feel I could get from it that would make it the right choice for me to then, you know, look past what she said and the harm that she's done and continues to do to queer communities. - Okay. So. - I think that point is fair. I think the second point, like how you feel about JK Rowling can absolutely dictate how you feel about this. I think the idea that Harry Potter was the entry point of reading for a lot of young people is a nice thing, right? Like that is the thing that precipitates why you maybe need this adaptation, but I'm not answering for all millennials. I will not be doing that. I said the thing I will say, Jackson, is that maybe the push to do this is like, you hear Harry Potter people and I'm not one of them, I should say. I just kind of say, you know what? Her mind was done a little bit dirty by those adaptations. Why, why was there not enough devil in those movies? - Oh my god. - Is that a thing that you're like, someone should make a new TV show, perhaps it should be HBO and they should fix this. Or should we just let it go? - I mean, nothing needs to exist. I think I like, what a stupid thing. - Best day, my life. - We need the show, like we'll all wake up tomorrow and the world won't explode. We don't have a new Harry Potter. There are things that you can explore. I mean, there's this meme that shows two scenes from one, from the movies, one from the shows that kind of shows that dichotomy where there's one scene where there's three kids with ones in the dark and they're like, fighting something. There's one, there's four kids in the dark fighting something. And a bunch of people are like, why is there another kid who's this invented character? And the people who read the book is like, that's Neville. He actually-- - He was at the whole time. - To the story. So if you think that's important to get that story told, then like, yes, there's more to mind from these gargantuan, like 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th books that were compressed into single, one time, two movies. I don't know if we need to do it so soon after the first 'cause when you do an adaptation or a follow, you are like also imbuing it with like, "Hey, what have we learned about this? What has changed about this?" I don't know if enough time has passed. And I think that the boycott against JK Rowling, regardless of whether it's well spirited or anything else, it might be one of the most unsuccessful boycotts of all time and I'm not sure how many people really are feeling that necessity to leave it behind. I'm not sure. Roxana Riley is indifferent to waking up on December 25th, to a brand new Harry Potter either patient. She may go, "You know what, why does this exist?" And Jackson says, "Why does anything need to exist?" And I don't know, perhaps, perhaps you wanna get a little existential on this and how do you feel? How do you feel about the need for Harry Potter to exist? - Yeah, I mean, no, there's no need for it to exist. I mean, the thing is that like, things exist because they make money and the reality is that this fan base has been so catered to already. They have theme parks, they have audible adaptations, right? They have video games, they have-- - The audible is merch. - The audible is pretty recent, actually. - Yeah, they have stage plays. Like, it is already like a thriving subculture that makes people a lot of money. So I'm not surprised that they're gonna make a show that then makes more people more money. But I do sort of think it's like, what else do you want situation? Like, are you forged on what you already have? Yeah, when will it be enough? So no, I am not, I mean, I'm sure that I will have to watch this thing for work and I'm sure the whole time I'll be grinding my teeth. So that's my thoughts on that. - I cannot wait for the morning, Christmas morning, right? - Which is-- - The collective despair. - The collective feel. - Well, the collective despair on this table, meanwhile, millennials everywhere are like, "This is pretty bad, hey?" - I'm a millennial, I have to say that I, as a millennial, I oppose this. (laughing) - That's the first time that I've heard the objection tendered on behalf of the generation. - Yeah. - Enough snake, he can go home now, this is fine. - Are we getting black snake? - What? - Yes. - Yeah, this is how they get you. - This is how they get you. - They go like, "Hey, snake, but black snake." (laughing) - And you go, "All right, I'll give it a shot." I'll turn it on, why not, let's do it. Okay, before we-- - We have a presentation and it's consequence. - Yes, it's true. - Representation matters and sometimes it does that to a person. Okay, just before we go, I just wanna do a quick go around the table of other fall shows that you guys are looking forward to. Jackson, let's start with you, pal. What do you got? - Yeah, I'm excited for the show Yega. It is Hudson Williams plays this missing character in this mysterious town in which a lot of spooky stuff I think is gonna be going on as reference to Baba Yaga. There's occultism, supernaturalism. I think in there, I'd love to see what Hudson Williams is gonna do after heated rivalry. Pretty stoked for that. We'll see what that's like at another show. That's coming out in October. I believe on Crave. Also excited for below this show, set in Newfoundland starring Josh Hartnett. It's more kind of mystery thrill. - Mary Walsh is in that show. - I am so excited. I was in Newfoundland not too long ago. And people were talking about like, yeah, they're filming this over the other day. So I'm really excited for that. I love Newfoundland after I've haven't gone there and I love a mystery thriller. Excited to see how Josh Hartnett puts it all together. So I'm excited for that. That's October 8th on Netflix, I think. - Just a small obsession of mine is hearing a sentence that has never been said before. And you go like, oh, no one's ever said that before. And he just said, I'm excited to see how Josh Hartnett puts it all together. I was like, no one has ever said that sentence about the horror. - What's the interesting part of the story? - Tapetaceous. - It wasn't a criticism. It was like, oh, those words are not only in the Bible, but they're just not in the lipstick on maybe ever. - Okay, okay. - Riley has to know, what about you, Paul? What do you got? - Okay, I also have two. So one is slow pitch. - Yes. - I'm so excited because I think everybody still is feeling wanting more of the queer sports-based romance. But I personally love that without the homophobic society as the backdrop for a lot of this. I know that it was an important story. I love he did rivalry. But I want softball, might be the gay sport. And I'm so excited to see just full on in that regard. And then I also am really excited for the traitors, the new season that's coming up. - Oh, yes. - Right? That's my favorite game reality show, right? now and they're doing this one is the new blood so it's all all normies and it's better because I think the first season they did it was a mix of celebrity and normal people and it was it didn't work and so in my opinion I thought that the the you know celebrities really outmastered them in the game and so we need all normals all all celebrities we're giving it since you brought up traders you legally are the regard to do an Alan impression so could you just uh you've been martard can you do that you've been martard oh my god obviously pretty right this big fan of this also big fan of going like if you're gonna make a show about queer people doing sports can we just not have the homophobic part of it so that we can just focus on the queer love sports and love things yeah sports and love keep the homophobic it's fine yeah just keep that out of the frame uh russet how did you take us home pal what shows are you looking forward to I'm excited for two returning series both in sort of the dark comedy sort of space well no only one has really that comedy um one of them is the fallen rise of reggie dinkins yes which is from Robert Karlock and Sam means who worked on 30 rock together and it is you know Daniel Radcliffe and Tracy Morgan Tracy Morgan is playing this disgraced football player who is found to sort of be like betting on his games and Daniel Radcliffe plays this documentarian who gets hired to like capture his life it's very zany it's like mile a minute 30 rock style comedy but the two of them have like really unexpected chemistry and I just could really watch them just like stare in confusion at each other and each other's antics for a long time but so that is coming back in november and that premiered earlier this year honestly so to then give us a second season only like 10 months later is pretty impressive um and the other thing that I am excited for is the return of the lowdown from sterlin harjo and when we were talking about like what does north of north remind you of I should have said reservation dogs because that show had that similar sort of like community of people like some characters some eccentricities um and so the first season of the lowdown star Ethan hawk is like this truth story and journalist who was you know like taking on a corrupt government family and I don't know what the mystery of season two is but this is a very similar like very lived in sort of portrait of like a certain part of america and again I could watch Ethan hawk like falling over himself for hours and I can't even do season one of the lowdown truly one of the most underrated seasons of the last two years like that's just like an excellent excellent season of television that worked perfectly in all levels I feel like just kind of maybe like landed at the wrong time and I feel like why are we not talking with this show all the time so I too am excited about that and also I will I'll I'll I'll say this on behalf of millennials the best thing that the Harry Potter film franchise gave us is Daniel Ratcliffe's acting career. I mean like yes who would who would have thought as you are watching all those people go like hey that guy he's going to become one of the most interesting actors I continue to make maybe some of the most interesting choices you know throughout this career the minute that he's done this franchise so I too I'm on board with watching him do literally anything kind of fast and I think that is a wonderful place to leave it I really appreciate your time you guys this has been this has been a journey and I and I love this for all of us thank you so much for coming on the show today thanks you guys thank you yes of course Roxana Haddad is a TV critic at Vulture Riley yes know is an Anish Nabis caller from the Belmonton First Nation Jackson Weaver is a senior writer with CBC entertainment and Toronto I'm I mean after my mood this show is called commotion I'm going to be a way by the way I'm going to be a way for Thursday and Friday because I will be attending the Celine Dion concert the first show of her residency and that will be on commotion on Monday I'm really looking forward to telling you all about that in the meantime have a good week for more CBC podcasts go to cbc.ca/podcasts