What's Good in the Orvis Gunroom with Gunroom Manager Greg Carpiniello

[Music] Hello, welcome back to the Orvis Hunting and Shooting podcast. It's your host Reid Bryant enjoying a March day in Vermont where the snow is largely melted and spring is officially on the way. It feels really good. It's been a great winter, it's been a cold winter. We've had a lot of snow so it's felt like winter, but it is now officially becoming spring. So I'm happy looking out the window with the windows cracked and getting some fresh air and just enjoying the arrival of a new season. Today on the podcast we are welcoming back long time friend of the podcast, great guests we've had on the podcast before Greg Carponello. Greg is as many of you know, the Gunner manager down at well for the whole Orvis company, but he's based down at Orvis sand and known and now officially and it is amazing to me that it has been about a year since he was on the podcast. I cannot believe that it's been that long, but he's had a lot going on. I've had a lot going on and he talks about all the tap and in the time since he was last on the podcast specifically we discuss the move of the centralized location of Orvis guns and gunsmithing to Orvis sand and owner. He's based down there full time now. Kotter Carson the Gunsmith is hard at work at the bench down there at Orvis sand and owner and it's really made a huge impact on the gun business here at Orvis. I know we dig into the departure of the Orvis gunner from the Manchester flagship store, which was a really sad change. I think for many of us, but at the same time, positioning Greg and the gunner down at Orvis sand and owner allows people to go into that facility, look at guns, put their hands on guns and actually get some guns out in the field to shoot or to test or to get fitted or really just to pick and choose what is the right gun for them. So Greg talks a little bit about that transition. Talks a bit about the state of Orvis gunsmithing, which is really in a great spot with Connor at the helm. He also talks about some new guns that we have in the pipeline, different models that are coming out from some of the gun companies, namely Fabrorm and Greeny that we work with heavily, some new guns in the lineup and some great consignment guns that are on the shelf right now available for people to look at. So great conversation is always great. It's awesome. Also worth noting that he, excuse me, is also writing the gun review column for Shooting Sportsman magazine, which is an awesome experience and awesome opportunity for him and also gets his voice weighing in as a real authority in the space on guns that are out there to be tried and to be considered by shooters across the world. So you can see some of his work in Shooting Sportsman also go down and just pop in and see him in Orvis, and if you get a chance, the other thing about Greg that I should say is that he and I got to give him a huge offering of praise for his incredible willingness to hop on the phone and chat with people. He's so diligent during the work day on weekends at night. People are calling him up and he's always happy to weigh in about whether it's guns that we have for sale, whether it's new guns that people are considering, whether it's guns that people want to consign through him and through the gun store or gun shop, I should say at San Dinoa gun or a Matanana. Just a great asset and a great resource and really a tremendously loyal member of the Orvis team down there at San Dinoa and cross company wide. So great conversation with Greg. 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So as you may have noticed, we currently anyway do not do advertising on the podcast. It's something that we see as an opportunity for Orvis to engage with our customers and to engage with our community. So we don't do any over advertising. However, we do like to celebrate our endorsed partnership. The endorsed Orvis network is a network of worldwide providers, operators that offer people great experiences in the field and on the water. And the bulk of my time is spent engaging with these partners and trying to expose them to customers and to wingshutters out there in the world so that they can go and have great experiences in the field. With that, I want to encourage people to go check in at Orvis Adventures, which is Orvis Adventures, sorry, orvis.com/adventures. Again, let me fix that and say orvis.com/adventures. That has an interactive map. It has filters. It has opportunities for you to figure out what sort of adventures we offer and how to engage and get more information about those destinations and adventures that we offer. So check that out at Orvis.com/adventures, use those filters, use those maps, map, use that map. Golly, it's one of those days. And really, you can easily sort out and figure out what it is that you want to explore on those pages, depending on what sort of experience you want to have. I encourage you to poke around there. With that, I want to also give shout out to three particular partners that we have to highlight today. There are different designations of endorsements. So there are different opportunities available to you. Some of those are lodges, which are the full service experience. Go to a lodge, spend multiple days, hunt, big pieces of ground, have great guides, great dog work, great lodging, great dining, all of the above. All that's been vetted, all of it fits under that umbrella of Orvis basically putting that big check on it and saying, yep, this is up to a standard and a service standard and a safety standard that we really see as the best in the business. So that's where lodges fall. We have different designations. In addition to that, we have hunting grounds, which are more day use type facilities. Occasionally, there's there's lodging components that can be recommended. But really, what we're looking at at those facilities is the opportunity for someone to go and have a day or a half day where they can potentially bring their own dog. They can get a guide with dogs. They can shoot different species depending where the location is. But those are hunting grounds. So they're more of those day use type facilities, typically very accessible from an urban hub too, which is nice. If you're going, say on business to a big city, oftentimes we have a hunting grounds available, not too far from that urban hub that you can get to and spend a half day or a day doing what you love to do. We also have guides and outfitters and dorsk guides and outfitters are almost exclusively operating on wild bird populations. So these are wild bird experiences and really far-flowing reaches of the globe. So an outfitter will have multiple guides working under that heading of an outfitter. Maybe there's a head guide with multiple guides underneath them. But the designation of outfitters typically represents a larger business and more guides that work. An independent guide is really just that. Typically it's one guide who's doing everything from taking bookings, taking inquiries, delivering the hunt experience, running the dogs, spending the day with you, sitting down on the tailgate, having lunch with you, whatever it may be. But it's just a smaller operation. Typically headed by just one individual, an independent guide. So that clarified, want to give a shout out to first and foremost, Spring Lane Hunt Club, which is in Tyrone, Pennsylvania. Great place. I, JD Kelly is the owner, operator there. Awesome guy. Has a really big farm operation too. I will give a shout out to JD for not only his hunting on beautiful ground, beautiful farm property down there in Tyrone, but he also has raises why you beef. So while you're there, pick up some stakes, I did that last time I was there and really delighted my family when I got home. This little shout out for that. I don't know why I included that, but JD, you do a great job with the beef. So I appreciate that. But a great hunt and JD does a really nice job running dogs. He has beautiful crop ground. He's just, it's really meticulously managed farm. So it's just a beautiful destination, really easy access in a great part of the country. There isn't a lot of, I shouldn't say that, but I find that there aren't a lot of places in the Mid-Atlantic where you really feel like you're out in a very big landscape and big open ag country. And what JD's got going down there at Spring Lane Hunt Club is that you feel like you're really an expansive place, but you're really not that far from many of the Mid-Atlantic hubs. So great destination, great hunting, great dog work and a great guy in JD Kelly who offers the hunts there. And he has a string of guides, but certainly he's he's very involved. So that's Spring Lane Hunt Club. You can find them on orvis.com/adventures. The next one I want to shout out to is Georgetown Plantation in North Carolina. Georgetown has been with us for quite a while, fairly close to Raleigh Durham. So easy to get to. Classic quail destination in that there's some piney woods, there's some grassland, they're shooting almost exclusively quail down there, though they do have opportunities for some other upland birds. But it's got a very southern classic quail plantation field, beautiful property, some beautiful water on the property, some fishing opportunities down there too for bass and the ponds. But just a great destination. The other thing they have there is that's really nice is a beautiful five stand. They really have a nice five stand that's set up there for people to shoot. Clay targets as well as do some hunting. If you go on my website readbrient.com. We did a video there some time ago with long-thorn guns and TGS outdoors, Johnny Carter. I believe that video, if it's not on my website, it's certainly available on YouTube and you can go check that out through TGS outdoors and possibly if you look for long-thorn long-thorn guns, that's there too. So check that out. Georgetown has a great destination if you want to get some quail hunting in. And last but certainly not least, one of my favorite people in all the world, Mark Nissen. Mark has a business called Classic Bird Hunts. He's endorses an independent guide. And he guides currently the early season in Wisconsin. Cable Wisconsin kind of near, near let's see, Hayward if you know that area, Big Muskie fishing destination. But just really beautiful grass and woodcock country, big, big, big, big, big country. Huge, just swathes of grouse cover, woodcock cover. And Mark is just a gem of a human being, really just an incredibly kind, incredibly thoughtful, incredibly gentle guy. Love his dogs, runs Britonese and has great dogs and just loves to see them do their thing. And he just creates an incredible experience up there. In the later part of the season, he goes down historically, he's gone down to Arizona and we have him endorsed down there too in the Patagonia area. I guess based out of Sonoaida, primarily for Murns quail gambles and scale quail, the desert bird and the Murns populations over the last couple of years have had some tough times because of climatic events. So he's exploring some other opportunities further afield. But certainly get in touch with him if you're interested in getting down there to Murns country and see what he has going. He may have some alternatives if the Murns population right there around Patagonia is not good as it was not great this past year. So Mark Nissen again can't say enough good things about him just a tremendous guy and a tremendous operation. So there's three destinations, three operations that you can explore if you want to get out there afield and have some great adventures at the recommendation of Orvis. We would love to see you visiting some of these great destinations and providers without further ado. Again, please do rate and review the podcast and I hope you enjoy this session with Greg Carponello Orvis Gundermanager down at Orvis Sandinona. We are on with Greg Carponello, Gunner Manager, uh, based at Orvis Sandinona. We have not been on a podcast together for some time. It's really been been I don't know. It could be more than a year. That's ridiculous. Yeah, I know where the time goes. But yeah, yeah, I was my plan was to do these quite regularly. I know that was your plan too. It was easier in a sense. It was easier when you were up here in Vermont. But you've made a big transition being that you're down. I'm low. I'd less to do over. As operations wound down there, there were less demands. There were less customers. You know, I worked in the raw chop. Essentially an isolation. If I wanted to see people, I had to leave the room. So there were less distractions. But the the the move that we made for people listening to move all shotgun operations and gunsmithing to Orvis Sandinona and Millbrook New York was because this is where the shooters are. This is where the activity is. And in turn, I got a lot busier a lot fast. Really fast. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's worth noting again, just for a listenership or people that have come into the flagship store up in Manchester that we used to have the the primary gun room. Well, a significant yeah, I would say the primary gun or the gun or for Orvis was it the flagship store that got change downsized somewhat removed. That was I think a confusing change for many of the customers that used to come in there and like to look at guns. Certainly I was one of those people. You were one of those two of these to just come in and like to look at guns and I think there was a sense of what's going on with Orvis guns is Orvis still invested in the gun business. But the thing that I always said and that you I think recognized too was that there were a lot of people that came through the flagship store and I think they enjoyed seeing guns in the flagship store. But if you look at Sandinona, everybody that comes through Sandinona is a shooter every single person. And so are by and large. Yeah. I mean, by and large, you can, you know, for example, this weekend we have a we have a registered shoot. And yes, all those guys are going to bring their own guns. But two of those guns are going to break during the day. Right. So now there's two immediate repairs. And somebody's going to come and have a gun that not really happy with and at the end of the shoot, they're going to wander over and see me. So there's a hundred customers, potential customers coming in the door on Saturday, which was never, you know, remotely a possibility in Vermont, even when we had a full shooting school out of that shooting school, we were not going to get, you know, 15 people in the school, 10 people weren't coming over to buy guns. Here, the opportunity to sell guns is extraordinary. People are always interested. And given the setting, given the amount of guns, given the opportunity to test fire virtually every gun we have on the rack, it's a it's a good audience. And there's another level of expertise here. I always have two or three world class shooting instructors. Paul is always available. Connor is available a lot. And people really welcome the opportunity to have FaceTime with our gunsmith. And one of the things that we do a lot of, I love selling guns. But I think, and you and I've talked about this before, I don't like selling the wrong gun to a person. I don't like to break a person's budget. And I don't like a person to say, hey, I went clay shooting last week. Now I'd like to buy a gun. Okay. How about in Paul and I talk about this a lot. It's a lesson to sale. And I'll always preface it with, I'm not needlessly trying to spend your money. But before you make a commitment, why don't you do a one hour lesson away from your buddies away from the chatter away from the guys at the other gun club you went to and get focused with Paula or Bill Bernard, one of our instructors go out for an hour. Let's talk about mount, foot position, et cetera. And match you with a gun that matches your body type that fits you. Turns your purposes. Are you looking for a sporting clays gun? Are you looking for an all-purpose gun? Are you looking for a field gun? Targets that will mimic what disciplines you're thinking to explore. And then come inside and make a decision about a gun that's within your budget. Yeah. It's I mean, the whole the facility lines itself to just a way better experience. And as you and I also talked about the the process of buying a gun should be more of an experience than a transaction. I mean, it's not only for your enjoyment as a purchaser, the purchase should be fun and exciting and engaging. But it's also a big as you're saying, it's a big investment in it's a big investment period and it's an investment in your ability to do something you want to be successful at. You know, you've got to you've got to do it right and get the right tool for the job and the right tool for you. And so it's yeah, just a better better experience down there. And anyway, but it's it is amazing that it's been a year since all of that. James started full time here. I started working three days a week here for the better part of two years. But full time April 1 was my first full time day here. Yeah. So it's been a big change. We miss having the gunner. I used to just love going in and and hanging around the gunner and but I'm or in the gunshot or other. It's funny. I I I miss Vermont a great deal way more than I married my wife and I really more than I think we thought we would. Yeah, it's a it's a great community appearance a good good place to be. So you're down there. Hunter Carson, as you said, our in house gunsmith rock and rolling building his business, getting a ton of ton of traffic across his bench doing some really great work. Most okay, so give us the give us the current state of the orifice gun slash gunsmithing union. What's what's going on down there? What's you know what's exciting? What's new? What's what's different? I think we we talk about I'll talk about gunsmithing first of all. Conor is pretty extraordinary artist and craftsman and and mechanical genius and just as as though I all right benefit from watching John Skinner and Jordan Smith work and practice their craft for years. The ability I work in the same office is not I have a desk inside a gunshot basically is where I work and just to be over to be the opportunity to glance over at him during the day and just say what do you work and at yesterday he was working on a I think a gruelia that was doubling and there was a good 50 minutes where he was just staring at that that's gone. But I was fascinated by you know what was going on and the ability to talk to him find out what he's looking for. Get up look at the parts go over with him makes me better on the other side when I'm dealing with customers or even when someone drops off a repair and says you know what do you think might be wrong. I always preface it with look I'm not the gunsmith but these are some things that I see pretty frequently and I can maybe give you an idea of what might be cooking before you drop it off a repair. But you know we started out numbers wise at about the same amount that we were doing in Manchester which was good but not great. Right. In Connors Benure for three years but in the last year 25 we doubled our repair income. Yeah. And through two things and one of the one of the missions for us coming down here is you know in addition to San Dona. Excuse me. There are probably six to ten of the premiere upland facilities on the northeast here. Yeah. And those guys break guns those women break guns and some great gunsmiths in this area have retired or just moved along because it's a it's a tough job to do that all time and we bring in a young but very skilled gunsmith one by one we made it our mission to visit or call and we've ticked off all these places and they now bring us all their all their repairs. So that exponentially increases the amount of work that Connors does but also exponentially increases the amount of guns he's inside and working on. Yeah. And then all it took really was for him to do some high quality work for a few people. Then word of mouth and then more people start coming in. One of the things that he started to really specialize in is and there are lots listen there lots of gunsmiths he can do it he does great adjustable columns but he's also been doing this is incredible to watch he's installed Palm swells on two or three guns for people. I've seen yeah on his Instagram I've seen this man that is that is a fraught endeavor I remember the first time I watched Jordan take a Palm swell off and it was just this really crude saw to the gun. Hope you don't take off too much kind of stuff right installing a Palm swell is that process in reverse where you're going to route out a section cut a piece of wood work with the customer get some handshaped give them rough pieces so the one project he's been working on lately that guns been in and out of the shop three or four times as he works on shaping it to the person's exact specification and then checkering it and finishing and giving it back to them and having to take it out be successful with it but that is a in he's he didn't once and now he's done it I would say three or four more times expensive and it's labor intensive but it's once one of these and particularly men who were doing it once one of these guys said hey this really changed the way the geometry is am I gone and I really like this two or three other guys came in and got it done as well. I would say that's the interesting thing down there for someone like Connor who's a who's a fairly young young guy you know and and definitely making a name for himself I think in the gunsmithing world and certainly in that community down there but it's a high stakes endeavor that if you I would say that that's a an audience and a customer base that has high standards nose guns nose what they want and if you were he to have this is also sound unfair probably but word he to have not performed early on and it got self yeah yeah so I mean it's good good on him that he really stood up to you know stepped up to the plate and and saw the challenge and we see you know all all all variety of repairs from doubling to missing front beads to strip clean and lube and fire and pin replacement etc what's very interesting is that you know when we packed up Vermont we just threw it all into you home and then over time it's amazing the parts that we had yeah every once in a while reach into a box and he's like oh I was you know I was looking for this lifter I was looking for this this spring or whatever we've got Spanish gun parts we've got remington 11 parts 11 87 parts Winchester 101 parts stuff ruger parts from one or vice-hata relationship with ruger it's a it's a miracle and they're in boxes and we got a dig through them sometimes but we've really found that we've got a lot of supplies that we necessarily didn't necessarily know we had so he's running the gamut we don't re-blue but we can make arrangements for people to re-blue but for them and we don't install jokes but we can we can certainly open fix joke guns etc etc so across the board we're doing we don't do everything but we sure do a lot and are willing to connect people with vendors if we can't do it in house yeah that's awesome gunroom wise or gun sales wise for you what's what's new and exciting I mean I should say too that you've in the last few years started doing the gun review column for shooting sportsman that's been a great opportunity for you to get your hands on some different guns and certainly you're making a name there but I being that that I'm a little less involved day to day and being that the gunroom is far far away I don't get the privilege of seeing what comes across from a concyme at standpoint what's coming through the kind of through the door to go up for sale and I also don't really know from a new gun perspective what we're doing so I'd love to hear what's exciting for you what we're selling what's what's new and different what's yeah what's cool sure so I'll lead off with you know we're we're still browning dealers we're still greenie fab aren't greenie fab arm siren is a long is a 20 year relationship that that we have and they're always rolling out actually great products and I was just talking around Stewart shooting sportsman one of the challenges is if is when doing review guns is finding finding new guns to review some folks may beg the differ but it's most of what was settled on gun construction was settled a long time ago by the way it's times the Germans and the French or whatever so you're just constantly reinventing little bits of things so each company is trying to stay on top of that but at the end of the day I look inside these guns and there are a lot of very similar parts that have been around for a very very long time so but greenie has produced the greenie and victus line is something else and I know it's been around for several years now but they recently came out with the arco specialist which I just finished my review and that's being edited it's at the arco specialist is certainly one of the finest sporting guns I've ever put my hands on and it's one of the few guns and and I'm no great sporting play shooter I do it as a function of my job I don't say this often it makes you better it's one of the most forgivable agreeable adaptable easy swinging properly balanced shotguns that shot in a long time and now this is out of the fab arm line or out of the greenie line the arco specialist is a fixed choke 34 inch well actually no it's not fixed joke excuse me it's guy their new titanium jokes so you have 34's barrels titanium jokes uh and it is it's really you got to get your hands on it and I can say that we have a uh an evictus on a rental rack that we send out with people and I sent a guy out in the course with the evictus and then he came over the gun bench and I said if you don't mind just put your hands on this arco and see what you think and he didn't even take it out to shoot just just being in his hands he said all right I'll buy this one instead. The balance is perfect. the swing is perfect, the recoil is ideal. It is just really an extraordinary gun inside greeny dust top-nuts work. I really was knocked out by this gun. Its look is not appealing to everybody. A bit of a kind of acquired taste. This very deconstructed kind of a malgam of cross hatching in lines and enamel and it's kind of hard to get a handle on. But once you kind of agree that, okay, I could get used to looking at that gun, the way it performs is exceptional. And so we keep an invictus on the rack. We'll have the arco specialist as a retail gun. And is that a, I should ask, is that so standard 34 inch barrels? Standard 34 inch barrels with their titanium jokes. Only available in 12th-welgage. The invictus line is all 12 gauge. Okay, and then adjustable comb. You can't get an adjustable comb. And what's the rib, this standard rib on the flat rib? Okay, cool. And where does that fall retail price point wise? Okay, got it. Which is dear, I get that. It is not a gun and greeny literature says this. It's not a gun, it's not your first sporting place gun. It could be. Right. But it really, as West line calls it, a Formula One car is not for every driver. And this is approaching Formula One kind of shotgun. Yeah. But I think if you have a certain, a certain gun that you're shooting and you shoot the arco, you would say, okay, this is a step up. And as I said, it allows you to move target to target, a choir some targets in a way that I think you have to just have it in your hands. One of the things I observed was the, you know, gun down guys felt that came to the face with a great deal of ease. And the pre-mount guys just felt that it got moving super smoothly in a way that other guns don't. The other thing that, on the fab arm side of thing is they, the N2RS, which is their super popular and what I would say affordable sporting place gun, they're doing in subgages this year. There are a lot of people who are interested in subgages guns. So they rolled out a line of 20 and 28 N2RS sporting guns. I've not seen them yet, but I'm pretty excited about it because we'll load them in for the fall. Subgages guns do have a good deal of, are gaining a good deal attraction. We see with older shooters who may want a lighter gun, a little less recoil. So I'm super excited about that. Yeah. Brett is Beretta. It's the, the Brett is still for pitching remains. The Ford F-150 of the over rubber shotgun world can't have a gun shop without them. We sell a ton of them. Right. And then they introduced the X-A800 sport duck gun, which looks like a bionic gun. It's fully adjustable. I haven't gotten them in yet. Johnny Carter and I talked about him a lot. It's a fully adjustable stock for duck hunting plus different grip grips that you can use. I'm not going to get a thickness. When this gun comes in, I will have to spend a couple hours with Connor. Sort of deconstructing it and putting it back together again. So that we're representing it the best to our customers. And is that replace the A400 or no, which is part of the whole. It's another part of their duck hunting gun, misdeal and barrels. It's, it's very interesting. And again, I've not laid my hands on it. I'm only watch Johnny's review and read about it. But it is. For someone looking for a duck gun that they want to. And it's a great thing to do. Yeah, what did I say? What did I say? The five. Now you've caught me at the 552, I think, is there side by side? I can't remember. Yeah, I know you and I talk about it. And maybe you could look it up while we're talking. They're beautiful guns. They're very pretty. Really pretty. And I ordered a 410. I should know this better. I should have my purchase orders in front of me. That's going to go down to Purcell. Subgaged a 410 side by side. Somebody wanted for quail hunting down there. And then there are BR 110 sporter. And then there are BR 110 sporters. and he'll call me and say, "What do I do with this gun?" But we got in an Orvis bread as sport or 29-1/2 inch, which you've seen, it's part of that whole Onyx series they did for Orvis for years. And they always came with spectacular wood that either John or Pete or Jordan finished up from Vermont, but this one, the Orvis wood is long gone, and it has a maple stock. - Ooh, weird. - With a fixed walnut comb. - Wow. - It's 15 inches long, and it has at least a quarter inch cast on. - Cast on. - So this is one of those guns that comes in, and I don't know what to do with it. We did take an on-consignment, maybe on another day I would have said, "No, thank you." But the guy priced it in a place that it's 1500 bucks, which is, I'll tell you this, an Orvis bread as sporter, 12 gauge, 29 1/2 inch with standard dimensions with the original Orvis wood is a $25 to $2,800 gun all day every day, what they sell. This one is just gonna sit around and wait for the right person to buy it. - Except, and this is what I always think about with guns like that, and this is, I don't know, I don't have a problem telling the world this, that any of those 680 platform guns, if you can get into a barrel that action cheap, you can go to coal customs and buy yourself a stock set, as you spend as much money as you want, get beautiful wood, basically get wood that's gonna proximate your dimensions or you can get it custom, custom. - Build wood that's on, where that will go. - Let's say you spend $1500 on wood, you get a really nice wood set, and then you have $30,000 in a pretty coal gun that's basic, really custom. - Yeah, so. - But there's enough cast on it that, when you look at it on the rack, you can see it from the other side of the room. - Okay, so I'm just gonna do a couple of the weirdo ones, I've gotten that's giving me fits. So we have a Remington Wingmaster 870, lightweight, cool gun, it's a $500 gun. - Right. - Of course, yeah. - And I can sell it, but it's super slick action, it's all the things that a Wingmaster has, but it's been hunted, it's been hunted hard for 30 years. It has lots of love marks on it, no question about it. And it has a small scratch, a small crack in the form, very repairable, presently stable, but repairable, and but it's still a crack form. - And it's a walnut stock. - Oh yeah, they could have been a birch stock. - I know, I know. - But it's a wood, wood stock. - Yeah, wood stock, absolutely. So the, and again, I can get behind this gun. It's a great gun, but it's price too high. I'm working with a customer who has extraordinary affinity for this gun. A guy I like a lot, he has a lot of great guns, but this is the rub in the world of consignment guns, particularly at a place like San de Nona where we do want to accommodate our customers. We wanna take in guns, we want people to feel good about bringing us or consignment guns. There's some, somebody called me on the phone yesterday trying to send me a gun that I had no interest in and politely just said that not something were interested in. I took this gun, but it's gotta come down 300 dollars before it moves out the door. And it just kinda hangs out. And it creates a weird thing in the gun room because people will just say 700 dollars for a wingmaster. You know, right, right, right. I'll work with the customer. And again, I love the guy, he just loves this gun and it puts me in a tough position. But again, I love those old wingmasters. I have two of them that I won't part with. But they have to be pretty minty to get up there in the high price department. - Yeah, and that's the thing about a gun like that. I'm gonna say something that I'm sure is gonna rub people their own way, but you get to a point with a gun like that. If you care about it, which I think is a, a gun like that, you've probably put a lot of miles on it, spend a lot of time with it, you have some affinity for it. It's not got a ton of value from a resale perspective. So even if you're looking at consigning that gun, you're not gonna get a ton of money, even if it were to sell for $600, $500, whatever, you know, which would be high for it to go for it. - Right, that's 20% commission taking pictures of it, selling it, talking to people, packing it up. It's, it's a, there's not a lot of loot. - Yeah, so that's like to me, that's the kind of gun that like, that would be a great, if there's someone, some young hunter shooter getting into the sport, like you gift it to them, you do something like that. I don't know, there's, you get to a certain point where it's like, I get it and I'm not wealthy. So I understand like squeezing $100 here, $100, that makes a difference. But there's also times when I think, is the juice worth the squeeze? And would you be better served by getting someone who's up and coming in, doesn't have the means to do it, you know, to get out of the gun. - Right, yeah. But I will say where this gun will, if it survives until then, this is a game, this is what I would call a game fair gun. Because the game fair, you get 6,000 people over two days and a lot of gun buyers. - Right. - So last year I had, you, I think you saw that 22 cricket rifle for 75 bucks, I was never gonna put that on the rack and I was never gonna use it on a gun's international. I told the consigner, I'm gonna throw it out the gun today. And I also had another wing master that had been all taped up with camo tape. It worked fine, but it looked as if it fell out of a tree and then was run over by a truck in the mud. And I put $150 price tag on it. I said, I'm not putting the sun guns international. This is crazy. But it will sell on the gun that the game fair, ensuring off the guy came in, $150 wing master right away. It took very little effort on the background check and out the door it went. So this is a gun that, at the game fair, it'll sell. - Yeah, the other thing, the other thing I would say about a gun like that, and I'm somewhat in the process of buying a similar gun now that's, depending what you're gonna do with it, and depending what you wanna invest in it, if you're not into a gun for a lot of money, and it's gonna be a turkey gun or it's gonna be like a saltwater duck gun or something, buy something that looks terrible. - Oh yeah. - And that goes bang, and that's been proven. And that's the other thing is like, there's a fine line between a gun that's been overused and abused and one that it's probably beat up and worn in because it's functioned for a really long time. And so like, you can look at that and say, okay, well, this thing's proven. It's not, it continues to work. And I don't know, that's where I land on, and I've done this before, bought some guns that are pretty old and pretty beat up, but there's something about getting one that's really broken in. If you're not gonna, - This gun's broken in, it's not like, if it breaks, it's not like any gunsmith's gonna scratch their head and say an 870. - Wow. - I don't know how I'm gonna get, parts are available, anybody can fix them. They're actually pretty user friendly just for people to work, think around and work on their own. - Right. - The other gun I have that's a bit of an anomaly is a 687-2-L L sporting. - Interesting. - On its surface is pretty cool gun, right? And they came with fall side plates that were highly engraved. The owner of this gun didn't like the engraved. - Okay. - So he polished all the engraving off the side plates. So they're just in the white and glossy, smooth with no engraving. - But is there engraving on the rest of the action? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Interesting. - Okay. Cool gun, lock-ups tight, great piece of wood. He had been refinished to a gloss finish. I'm sorry, it's got a few anomalies. So again, the side plates are polished to the white. The stock was refinished to matte. And the form retains its original gloss finish. Weird. - Okay. - Super weird. - Other than that, super clean gun, great lockup, great field gun. I wouldn't call it a sporting gun at 28 inches, but people, if someone looking for their sport, first sporting gun. And we run into that a lot. What barrel length did I, and I know I think maybe you and Dell did a thing on barrel length or maybe didn't, but that's a rabbit hole you could go down forever. But I don't know what I'm gonna do with this gun. - What is the, do we have a price on that one? - Three grand. - Three grand. - Correct. - With its engraving, with its original wood, all that, three grand. - Perfect. - And it's current condition, it requires a lot of explanation on my part to move this gun out the door. - And a lot of, a lot of, wow, yeah, that would be because to get it, I can see using it as is for less money. I can see, I shouldn't say that. Someone who wants it wants it, you know, that's fine. I don't wanna disparage the price or whatever. But, but, see, I love a weird gun like that. And I love to wear something that's weird and then making it mine, you know, making it sort of custom. But customizing something that would require some investment 'cause you'd have to probably do a complete refinished of the whole time. - Well, the side plates are the side plates. The engravings never coming back, right? - Right. - But then I would be like, what I would wanna do is get someone to engrave my initials on it or something. - You're something new. - But that's gonna cost a lot more money. - And again, the stock, you'd probably wanna even out the stock. So it's either all gloss or all matte. I'm not wanting to be up, but doing just, but just doing those two things is going to cost you. Depends on how you do it. Or North of 500 bucks right away, which is one. And the wood itself is killer. It's just this figure, really great knockout piece of wood, but it just kind of leaves me a little perplex. In this situation, the concider is very agreeable. Call me with off and gave me some leeway. He or she, the concider, he did he give you an explanation. And then what about the stock, the stock finish? He got started on the stock and just didn't finish the forms of trickier too. Right. A little trickier to work on. And so he, I'm good stocks. Right. This is these are kind of welcomed to my world. And there are a million other gun dealers who tell you the same thing, right? Yeah. These cookie guns in and the kind of, you want to police customers and sell guns. When I first started at a war of us, I didn't really know that I had any discretion to accept or not accept guns. And I remember, someone would come in the repair shop or come in the gun room and Manchester and bring me a gun and I would take it. And I'd come across the street and Jordan would look at me and say, why did you take that gun? Why? Right. Why did you take that gun? I just start to go through it and say, did you see this crack or just see this damage? And I, and I, as I became more confident in my job over the years, I became more and more willing to say to people, hey, we, excuse me, we just can't agree on price or this is not a gun. I'm, I'm going to move. Even if you price it at a thousand dollars and you think it's worth three thousand, that's probably not going to move it either. Right. So it's kind of a weird gun. And so, you know, the, the person who called me the other day had a green Tempio light, which is a great little field gun, but it was a Tempio light 12 gauge, which is, is not a, and is not a gun that I'm going to get that, that gun packs a wallet. And I, it's a lovely to carry. No question about it. The sub gauge, the Tempio light in 2028 and truck bakers, done a ton of special order. Tempio light for tens for a couple of quail hunter down there and we have a client, we have a mutual client, who's in his 80s, still hunts in Texas. There's not interested in carrying a heavy gun. And he dialed in on this Tempio light for 10. They take about a year to get because it's truly a special order. But a Tempio light 12 gauge to me is just not something that, somebody wants it. I'm not saying it's a good gun, greenie make great guns. No question about that. Would take forever for me to sell. And I'm always looking to try to keep a gun too. I don't mind selling on the internet. We sell tons of guns. And, but I'd like to turn out of the gun. I'd like to put a gun on the rack. It's going to move. And that would be just a tough sell. And so I, I passed on that gun. Some of the other guns we have that I really like right now. With two of the 390 series Beretta's and I'm sure that the people who are, are really into Beretta's, I'm not going to get into the differences in the gas system and stuff because if I get it wrong, someone's going to parse my words and say, you got that. We have a 391, um, Eureka 12 gauge sporting gun, which is just a really, really cool gun. Again, not the most advanced Beretta system gas system, but I was, as I was thinking ahead to this systems, they advance all the time, right? And they make lots of little tweaks and they make a lot of claims about them. Uh, amount of time you can go between cleanings and cycle speed, et cetera, et cetera. But a gun like the 1100, which by modern standards has a relatively crude gas system, continues to be a gun that we see all the time. When they, when they nailed the, the 1100, they really set the benchmark in from my opinion. Okay. On a, on a versatile gas gun. And I still see them on the course all the times. The age of a gas system. Um, there were some bad gas systems. But I, I, you can buy a 390 series gun and know you're getting a really good quality semi automatic. Paul and more shout of 390 competitively for years. She loves these guns. So we have a 391 Eureka, um, that is very well cared for some handling marks. Really nice gun. Um, a little ammo finicky. So you probably have to dial in on the ammo that it shoots best. Somebody was shooting with some reloads, which was causing it to, to short cycle and not function. But we shot it with some 11, 1180 field, field loads here and it ran like a charm. So that, that Eureka is really nice. But then the other day I got it in an extreme, uh, 3.5, which is not my jam. But this is a great gun. Fully cam out out, uh, 3.5 inch chambers and in great shape. It may not sell this time of year, but as we approach, but also make great turkey gun. Yeah, as well. What's the barrel length on that one? Uh, that's a 28 inch. So that's the long one now. Yeah, the 3.5 inch chambers and a great, and a great shape. And, and when people buy Beretta's, they really love the Beretta case. This one comes with the Beretta case and all the accessories and all the original jokes, etc. So those are two cool guns that I'm pretty, I'm pretty excited about. Um, then it's interesting. When I reviewed the, uh, 825 after shooting sportsman, the, the browning 825, one of the angles I took was, um, the satory and certainly in your travels, you see them everywhere. The satory has just become this ubiquitous gun and for good reason. Uh, we see 40, 50 year old guns that are still trucking firing pin replace. We made some spring works, stripping and loom, but they keep on. They always go bang. Um, there is a, um, pretty high and gun club around here that the only guns he puts in the field as rentals and loners are satories because they get treated like rentables and they always keep working. Right. So went and, and I often say to people, Hey, I'm looking to, and maybe we don't have, but I'm looking to get into my first place, gone and all out of money, whatever. So you can find a use satory because parts are available. Browning and you can usually get into one for under or a certain land or two grand, if not closer to 1000 900 for like an old, that would those huge beaver tail farms. Right. Exactly. Like the big chunky. Yeah. And there were 26 inch barrels and it fets your jam. Then go ahead and go get it. But you, you, you, and you know, it's just blue to finish whatever. But we got in a gun I hadn't seen before it was the crossover target, browning crossover target that with any luck is leaving the shop today. Um, but this is, this is just a great. It's a, it's a mid rib gun. It's a perfect play is gun for that entry level for 15, 99. Comes with all jokes. Uh, it, it 30 inch barrels. It's a great, great gut. And, and it fits that bill of a hell. I'm my first gun. And I say, Hey, we have a story and not only, or go look for a story. We actually have one. This gun was on the internet for 48 hours. And I guys driving up from Jersey to pick it up. That's what I, I mean, and I'm not a big sporting clay shooter. And I probably could be convinced that this is bad advice that I'm about to give. But I would argue that if you're going to buy, if you're interested in getting a clay's gun and you're interested in, or, or, or let me put it this way, if you're interested in shooting sporting clays or any of the clays games and you want to get a gun that's somewhat dedicated to that, but you're, you're not, you're new to it or you know, you don't have a huge budget. Just buy a, buy a 30, buy a really rock solid 30 inch barrel 12 bore just generic generic. Yeah. Doesn't have to have any of the bells and whistles and just shoot that for the first year to and see what you think. Correct. So that would be a, the Satori CXS line. That's that feel really nice. A breath, a breath of silver pigeon one. Yeah. Sport. Yeah. Which is to me, a silver pigeon field dressed up, wider rib, different grip dimensions mid-beat. You can get extended chokes for things like that. The, even a, even a fab arm elite 12 gauge with 30 inch barrels. Yeah. Which says the same internals as an N2 or an N2 RS would be a great gun to get. You make a good point as you sort of debate. Do I want 32s? Do I want 34s or all the rage? Do I want 28s? If you're short of status, maybe a 20. Last week, we sold a Maroki 99. Now Maroki's are impossible to sell because nobody knows the name, but it's a unbelievably well built stout gun. And I had a guy come in, shot clays here a few times. Really wanted to get his first sporting gun. Short. He was about five six five five 28 inch Maroki 99 sporting gun. Perfect. 1999. Great gun. Yeah. And that's the thing you can get into something like that for as you said, under $2,000. If not closer to a thousand, it's like for your first, particularly if it's going to be a gun that you're just testing out if you like the sport. If you want to do that. That's a great point. And that's a conversation I have with people a lot. You may find in a year. You don't want to do this anymore. Yeah. I'd rather find out I don't want to do this anymore for $2,000 and find out I don't want to do this anymore for $5,600. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And it's definitely one of those sports like bird hunting. When you first do it, there's this strange immediate obsession. You can't wait to bird hunt. You can't wait to get back to the clays course. And that's great. You just hope that that that sustains. I'd add, take a lesson, make sure you're doing the right thing. No one has more bad habits than I do, and they're very, very difficult to break as time goes on. And that's why Paula, Bill, and Zach and the other and Chuck Baker down at Purcell love working with new shooters because they have a chance from the very beginning to say, "Hey, this is foot position. This is Mount. This is where you had to go on the stock. This is how you should move towards targets." And you're building in good habits from the very beginning. It's way harder to dismantle those on the other side. I know it all too well. Purcell, it's really true. A couple of guns I have that I'd love to move along. So a gun that we have that I actually reviewed in shooting sports and I think you've seen this gun that, that Grilla 216 round body we have 20 gauge 30 inch. Beautiful gun now. And it's at it. We have it at 12 grand. That gun will cost you 16 to build now. It's a 30 inch, 216 round body, great dimensions, double trigger, case colored, 15 inch length of pull 1.5 to 2.3 eighths. It checkered butt, swamped rib, cast on a little bit, I see a mod. I think it might be a little tighter one of the things I mentioned in my article and you and I talked about this when we had Shippee. And when you talk about Shippee, when I would send them I see a mod they would come. They're always a little bit tighter. So if you order a custom made gun from Spain or from Shippee or another manufacturer, I would spec your jokes in thousands. So they're built to the exact dimension you want. You can just say I see a mod you might get mod and improve mod. Right. That's just my experience. I could be totally off the, I could be raw. But that's just been generally my experience. But this 216 round body, somebody should come check this gun out and buy it. It's beautiful gun. It's a spanner. And Jesse had it out in the road for a little while and was very taken with it. It's an excellent condition. Again, it's used judiciously as a demo gun by Orvis. But it's a great value. And you and I know that really it makes good guns that I think they fly way under the radar. And we can custom make grueliest at Orvis as well. But this gun I'd love someone to come and have a look at it and take it off my hands. I love it that gun. And then we got in a gun that you and I both know very well that we really like an area at Orvis custom 20 gauge 27 inch barrel came in. Square action, case colored, raiding, graving, great bluing, detachable side locks, which often are an invitation for people to go inside their gun. Right. When they shouldn't be there. So you can always replace that with a screw. We have least two guns that we ended up as parts guns because people lost their lock. Right. That was always the cautionary tale that I really desperately wanted. I guess I do have one now, but I just really wanted a hand detachable side lock on and Jordan Smith back in the day was quick to remind me that I would promptly lose one of the side places. But we have I have I know we have to for certain we have one from a gentleman. This is years ago he called me and said I was miss hunting and a Mississippi duck swamp. And I don't know how it backed out, but I watched it fall out and just get sucked into the mire and disappear. He's like reaching around furiously trying to find it gone. And he asked if we could. And it was a he was an area out of a grueliest and this is an area that was completely insolvent and grueliest said they could build them a side lock. But he'd have to send the whole gun. The process of exporting the gun and it would have been cheaper for him to get on a plane, bring the gun to I bar, leave it there, come back, go back to I bar, take up the gun, you know months later with the new lock on it. But eventually I got that gun on for parts because he's just like I'm never going to find this gun and then we have another gun. Same thing. The guy just looked down at his gun and the side plate was gone. And that's a long screw that goes through the action very long. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Walking and it's it's it's just winding its way out. You don't notice it. And then it's gone. And as many as many parts as we have here, we don't have side plates. We could probably reconstruct it if you had the part at the plate without the plate. You kind of jammed up. Yeah, and you would have to I mean, you can't just that's not an as you've articulated you can't just order a new one and screw right it like it's has to be built. Has to be built. Right. The gun's hand fitted right. They get rough you in parts, but the end of the day they're all hand polished and fit for the gun and have to match up with the inletting and et cetera, et cetera. But this orbous area as a these are these are great guns. Definitely falls under the category that I'm making them anymore. It's 4,500 bucks might be a little dear, but I price it at that because I really do think that that it's that it's worth it if you want and the 27 inch barrels are cool. Obviously, it was a custom gun through Orvis. It's got a John Skinner leather cover pad on it. I could spot from a mile away. Probably a bird season gun that'll sell then could be a game fair gun. Last year we sold to area orbous area as it the game fair skip bigger more eyes on things and people come. Yeah, and those guns are so when you look at value for the dollar, I mean, you're you're talking about a gun that was to a large degree hand made hand engraved sub gauge gun side by side side lock for under $5,000 like you can't. There's no. Not even. I can't you can't approach like three times that like that's the you can't. Yeah. So it was it was it was a 12 that would probably it would be less. Yeah, because 12 side by side are sort of dead for me these days. Right. And I'll you know, I'll certainly take them in, but it's not somebody's people are banging down the door by an old spatter. I have a pair of gruelia matched pair of gruelia 12 gauge gruelia royals. They're gorgeous guns. Right. The asking prices 25 and honestly, you should get the pair for 12. Even as beautiful as they are. Yeah. And I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think it's a lot of the things that I think and the ellipse we have an ellipse evo 20 gauge we actually have two ellipse ebo we have another 20 28 410 combo that has 32 inch tubes that's kind of a that's a weird one. I'm not sure who ordered that gun and that's a tough sell because it's not quite a sporting gun and it's barrels or a little long for a field gun maybe a super tall shooter or something like that. This is an ellipse that has 28 gauge barrels. Really lovely to look at. Svelt proportions across the board. And it's a built like every other greenie super durable gun. All of them are on guns international.com. This is a really cool gun. You know, a new one is approaching 10. This one is at 85. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing to just the amount the amount of what I say that just the cost like the cost of just kind of I mean now's it we're not going backwards on pricing for guns so so by by now. Yeah. And the price increases are all baked in now they're here. Greenie fab arm siren did not do a price increase for 2026. And you know, and I think that just was a business decision. They just got hit everybody got hit with tariffs and normal price increase in 2025. And so now we're in a position that we that really the prices that we have now are baked in for the foreseeable future. Yeah, I think it's it's worth noting that the. I mean, I'm no expert on economics or or even market trends per se, but one of the things that I noticed in looking something like a gun or a nice or gun, which is to some to some degree, sorry, I've got a little thing going on my computer here, but that is to some degree a luxury item is a luxury item. The and I think when the market shows what it can bear, it's not going to go back, you know, so you're not going to look at it and say, oh, well gun prices are high right now because tariffs could have listed that, but in two years time, it's going to be the market's going to change. They're going to be less expensive. It's not it's not likely to work that way. And so that's where I just see if you if you see a gun that's in good shape that's pre-owned or on consumer or whatever else in your saving yourself a couple thousand dollars. Just it's a good buy. I mean, just be aware of what the market. Be aware of the deal you're buying from be aware of the terms make sure you're going to get the right. you get a three day waiting period, all those things are important. Check the gun when it comes cracks hide in very strange places. Conor and I laugh about this all the time. We sell a lot of consignment guns and people often ask us, "Do you know how many rounds it's been fired?" It's a question I can. I really can't. Particularly if I get a gun from a client and an own client or somebody I know and I know their reputation for how they care for the guns or how much this particular gun was shot, but that is one of the most hilarious questions we get. I know people want to know. I'm at discounting the importance of the question. Don't the listeners to misperceive that. But it's a question that for the most part I can never. I don't know how many rounds it's been shot. I don't. Yeah. I can look at the breech face. I can look at the barrels. I can look at the actually face. You can guess if it's been shot a lot. Conor could pull the stock. See if it's filthy inside. But on its surface, if I get a summit sporting that looks real clean, I'm not going to be able to have any rounds of a shot. Right. But not the 50,000 that it's going to need to service, probably. Right. Right. And I think the other thing, the other counterpoint to that and probably I've tipped my hand a little bit, is that I'm often looking for when I was more active layer. I guess it's so periodically now looking to buy guns. I would often find the weird, weird one that had some issues and I felt like, oh, I can get into this maker or this model for significantly less because it's got all of these problems. Really, really do your homework and I think take the advice of someone like yourself in a who's a reputable honest straight shooting, a gun salesperson because you can find yourself and I've been victim of this countless times where you buy a gun that's got too many apologies or too many problems and then you realize you're just never going to get out from under the problems because there are certain, there are certain issues that are fixable or that are fine. You can just try to say like like the, you know, the double A double L because medical or whatever if you can deal with that, you can deal with it. But if there's something where you need to do something significant that's going to cost you a lot of money to ever get the gun where you can comfortably and functionally use it and be happy doing so it's just not worth the. And you won't get that back on the other side if you go to sell it. But definitely not. Yeah. So you're you're you're shooting yourself in the photos. Yeah, you're making a decision to get a gun that fits you and does what you want it to do. We see that a lot of when people bring in and I see this a lot of the old Orvis custom Orvis uplanders that we did up and Vermont for people of short statue. Yeah. 12 and a half inch stock 13 inch 13 inches of wood just kind of there. That's it. I'll price them accordingly. And again, as you said, call cold get a wood set or if you don't mind get an extension and have an ugly gun. That'll last that'll last forever. Yeah. Right. You're not going to wear out your burrito that you bought your Orvis 680 action Orvis uplander. But they only have 12 inches of wood and you have to add a two inch spacer and I'll let the covered fat get this looking. God, but if it's your field gun and you don't care what it looks like or it's your loner gun you just get but don't expect after you spent, you know, you buy for 18 you put $500 into it to get it to where it's the proper length of pull. When you go to sell it, you still got an $1800. You may have a $1500. When you go to sell it. Right. Right. Yeah. Excellent. I know you have to go. I know I have to go. But it's always a pleasure catching up and great to hear the good things are happening down there and folks can definitely go to San Anona can see you can see Connor. What's another good way to get in touch with you or see what we have for listings. Shop at Orvis.com. Yep. Guns International dot com slash orvis. 802 375 5349 myself. I don't mind sharing that and I say this to customers all the time. If you find a gun, you have questions about it. I don't have to have any skin on the game to help you find the gun that meets your needs. So if you see someone guns international and you want to send me a link and say, Hey, what do you think of this? I'm happy to talk about it. See a lot of the Orvis guns people like, Oh, what do you know about this Orvis brand of gun? Always a pleasure to help you. Excellent. Greg Herb now. Thank you so much. You'll do this again soon. Okay, man. See you. (upbeat music)