What Everyone Got Wrong About Lindsay Clancy ft. The Lore Lodge | Unsubscribe Podcast Ep 285

I got a dick pic from the Tiger King's Third Husband and I wasn't even trying. They had tigers in the mall? You didn't have man-eating beasts in your mall? At the end had an opinion that I think they did. Everybody angry? Did those kids got what they deserved? What was your take? You have the right to remain silent. Dude, if I wasn't in the dudes. I like you. You got to do it both sides. That was a very unfortunate pause for you. Say hi to me. He's racially ambiguous, branding, his hair is fucking fabulous. Don't know, a dark joke is positioned, and there's a fat electrician who'll come to unsubscribe. Pop it to the top, top. Ready? Three, two, one. It's clean. Really was. We were all in sync there. We were all synced up. Oh. Oh yeah. Nice sound. Oh. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the unsubscribe podcast. I'm joined today by Eli Double Tap, King Trowell, Aiden from Lorelodge, Aiden from Lorelodge, Brandon Rare, myself, Donut Operator. Thank you so much for being here. What's up, bitches? Like, first off, shout out to Eschelon. They're so yummy. Wow. I just wanted to do the worst. You really had it. But someone not being paid to promote it is yummy. That's a lot of yummy. And then it sounded like he. Yeah. One last night. I was probably questionable given the time, but I was up till 330 in the morning, and it tasted good. Yeah. It was worth no sleep. Yeah. It's like, hmm. Hey, look. We got the eight boys back. We've been like almost three years. Two years, yeah. It's been a while. He looks the same. I look completely different. It's great. He cleans up. He cleans up. He cleans up. I forgot who was on the podcast today. And I was texting earlier like, who's, when we were going to meet up, you said something like, oh, I'll tell the Aedans, I'm like, I'm like, well, we had a guy on our staff like an intern named Aedan, but like Aedans plural. Oh, fuck right. Yeah. I know who's going to be on here. Hey. Kill those here. That's what. Kill. Yeah. That's what we were talking about last time. Yeah. That was a fun one. Yeah. I still get angry about that story every time somebody else covers it and makes it look like Marv was the bad guy. Marv wasn't like, we can discuss what Marv he might or didn't can discuss the morality of that. They pushed him to it and reasonable things. They pushed him to it. I don't know. The hot tub revelation was a little bit questionable. The what? Have you guys ever listened to Marv hemeyer's? Yes. Heaps. It's insane. Yeah. It's some insane rambling. He definitely thought he was on a mission from God, which granted when you put everything you own up for sale and the only things that don't sell are the workspace and the bulldozer. I can kind of understand how you might get that message. Look, from an objective outside perspective, knowing what we know now, there were signs. No, because he says in the tape that God is blinding people to his work. Yeah. Because he wouldn't invite people over and nobody asked any questions about the giant f**k off honor. He's in the corner. No. Because when you think about it like that, it's like, wow. I mean, that would be a sign of like, if I can try it over, I have a gun car. That's talking about everything but that gun car. It's typically a gun car. Typically, a cry for help invite people over to see your big ass f**k off tank that you're building. Well, he would put a tarp on it. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Exactly. He interviewed people around town. Everybody's like, well, we all kind of knew he was working on something, we just weren't sure what. Like, some people are even like, yeah, we knew about the armored bulldozer, we just had no idea what it was for. It's like, nobody asked questions. The list of things you can use an armored bulldozer for. So people are destroying a small town in Colorado, really in the cosplay. Yeah. I know they used them in Palestine and in Iraq, yeah, in the '90s. 30 years later. Yeah. Like. That's absolutely right. It's just kind of like the scene from wedding crashes where like the dad comes in, he sees like the rope where he's tied to the bed. Mm-hmm. Anyway. And it's just like not a second thought. Yep. I mean, when you spend time in rural America, there's always in the town one guy who's like old, a little bit kooky and definitely working on something that you shouldn't know about. So, yeah, it's part of the course. Yeah, actually, when you look at it like that, I know in our hometown, we had like three different crazy people that had their unique names is like, one arm Willie, uh, what's their name, Betty, the goat lady, and then one other one. And it was like the three crazy people were like, blah, I'm not worried about that. There were signs we just ignored. I'm not, I'm not worried about having to fight one arm Willie. You sound mad. No, no. I'm pretty confident I can beat that one. I like my chances. Are you serious? Yeah, he lost it. Uh, this is when malls would have in the 80s, you would have malls with animals like animals. Oh, yeah, animals. I remember those even as a kid. Yeah, he put his arm through the tiger enclosure. Shouldn't do that. I picked off as a child. Did he get like the actual Darwin word mailed in the male to him? No, because he was, I mean, he was probably like a little kid at that point. They just didn't have safety ropes or anything back in the day. So, it was like, here's tiger here. Go pet to. I did with the tiger after that because like, it's all the tiger did anything wrong. Well, it probably ended up in Florida. Let's be like the tiger. Yeah. Yeah, it's probably a tiger king. Yeah, it took a long time for that to go. Yeah, I was processing. I was just letting everybody finish their sentences before I asked what the malls were crazy when me and Eli were younger. Cause like, you would take pictures with the tiger in the mall, bro. Later. You're like, you're like, you're a young girl, I had a sample, I was like, it was J.C. Penny and Sabarro. There was no fucking Indian wild cats. I was in a hotel once where there were lion cubs in the lobby. Dude. Dude, the old like 70s, 80s and growing up, it's like the mall. That's where we went to hang out cause internet didn't exist. And they would put crazy shit near like the arcade center, usually you'd have a dope ass arcade place and then like a lion. Literally right next door. Man, you all agreed to make this up before I sat down. I remember. And you guys were like, you know, be funny. If we convinced her out, there were tires and malls. No, like legit. You take pictures with like they had the albino tigers or whatever it was like white tigers. You guys are fucking with me right now. You're like, you guys are a shitty thing, grandma. I was like, you guys are a fucking shit. You guys are a fucking shit. I was like, you guys are like, you guys are a fucking shit. I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I'm a fucking, I'm a fucking shit. I was like, I'm a fucking shit. You can say it, Molly. I don't remember there being any animals in the mall. Santa. We had a carousel. We had the mall carousel too, the Santa. You didn't have man eating beasts in your mall. You fucking nerd. There's a big cat sanctuary, like a few hours away from where I grew up that we used to go to. It was the mall. [laughter] Now, our mall just had a way too touchy Santa. That was out of God. Are you serious? Like, you step out the foot locker. Yeah, there's a tiger. They call it an animal. I like any safety. It was literally the metal cage and like, don't put hand in. Go ahead and the shit. Just call it a luxury jungle. What animals they keep in there? I don't know. They're related to f---s. [laughter] Any time the camera zooms in to Cody's face to crop out, Brandon. Is he going to be the new telltale sign? Yeah. From some of your-- [laughter] Yeah. I'm an editor. Yeah, just make sure you crop in super close to Cody and that I'm not in that shot. Just keep it on, Brandon. Brandon needs plausible deniability that he wasn't even here. Well, that's what we started doing. I started telling the editor. Any time I make, like, even remotely edgy joke, just put up, like, some campaign propaganda. Shit that my opponent did, overlaid over the footage so that it's unusable for them. Like fun. Little do know they're also secretly doing the Brandon cut, which is just the entire episode, but only cropped in on you. They could probably sell it to the DNC for a little bit of money. Yeah. - No, they can't. - I go. - Editor, forget you heard that. (laughing) - Chase, stop. - See, this is the thing, it's all editors. - Please. (laughing) - Our editors know that if we lose our jobs, they also lose theirs. - Yeah, you're, if I lose this race. - There's no money in canceling me. - If I lose this race, I'm firing all of you. (laughing) - It's all their fault. - Now you guys have been covering, well, with your content, you used to do more cryptids. - Yeah. - And still missing cases, but now you're going into what's happening modern. So yeah, like the Lindsay, - Yeah, the Lindsay case was recent. - That's the one. - Yeah, we just did a two-part series on that. And at the end, had an opinion that I think they'd need everybody angry. - Oh, that's always fun. - If you're that kind of journalism, this is everyone. - Everyone is your tank. (laughing) - There's a nine, there's a nine little sh*t. - They shouldn't have wore it. - You know, should've been dressed that way. - I mean, honestly, - Should've been word, it's hernic. (laughing) - Oh my god. - Oh my god. - Okay, we had, all right, I love that. - Wow. - No, it's one of those situations where I find myself agreeing partially with people I really don't want to agree with. Where like, if you put all of the extrapolations together from the excuses that her defense used, it's like, yeah, women can't have rights. So I don't like that one, 'cause I married to a woman, and I would like for her to have rights. - Okay. - But at the same time, I gave her the married to a woman. (laughing) - Happens a lot, actually. - But no, the Lindsay case, it's like, yeah, every single argument that you can make to make her not guilty is an argument against women having agency, which is a really difficult position for you to put people in, because again, this is such a rare situation. This almost never happens, but we've got an entire segment of the population who's insisting that she can't be held accountable for this because of her hormones, and there's no way to have that conversation at scale, where it's like, no, there's gonna be really specific little ways of handling this, or we have to blanket ban women from voting, and that's probably not a politically expedient thing for anybody to do. - Yeah, it's like there are implications, sort of thing. - Well, there's also so many people that have opinions on the case that have bare minimum information. - That's the biggest problem. That's the biggest problem. - The amount of people that still think that her husband killed the kids. - It's absolutely not. Like, that's one of the parts where I'm like, anybody who's saying that, obviously, doesn't know the facts of the case, and she's just a hellot. - The defense never even implied that. - No, they're like, how'd she kill that? - They're like, how'd she kill that? - Well, now the lawyer was changing up the two. Now her lawyer's like, oh, we never admitted she killed the kids. And it's like, well, actually you verbally did admit she killed the kids. Her civil suit admits she killed the kids. The jury was informed that she killed the kids. Like, everybody around here was operating under the assumption that she killed the kids. You can't just turn around and say, well, now no, no, we're actually gonna do something else. Also, Massachusetts has the dumbest insanity plea law of anywhere in the country. Most places, you say, oh, I'm pleading in sanity, I was not in my right mind at the time. I'm just why temporary insanity is kind of a silly one. But, oh, I wasn't in my right mind at the time. I shouldn't be punished, I should be even help. Well, in those cases, the defense has to prove the person was insane when they committed the act. In Massachusetts, it's the other way around where the prosecution has to prove the person was sane, which makes no sense. It's like, you can't, you're positing something, you have to prove, it's burden proof. Basically, the defense somehow manages to put the burden of proof on the prosecution when the defense is the one making the claim. Just when you're talking about cash-app, I love cash-app, I think we all use cash-app. I know you use cash-app, and if you don't, well, then today's sponsor is for you. If you aren't up to speed, cash-app is more than just a safe way to send and receive money. With the cash-app card, you get tons of perks, love perks, and without all the hidden fees. 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Cash-app is a financial service platform, not a bank, banking services provided by cash-abs of bank partners, pre-pay debit cards, issued by Sutton Bank, member at the IC. Cash-app visa, debit flex cards, issued by Sutton Bank, member at the IC, and the Bancor Bank, didn't a, pursuant to a license from Visa, USA, Inc. See turns and conditions for the Sutton pre-pay card, Sutton debit flex card, and Bancor debit flex card. Cash-app green features, savings, direct deposit roundups, overdraft coverage, and discounts provided by Cash-app, a block Inc. brand. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. - That's right there. - They're the only state, right? - Only state. - So out of 50, it's. - Well, for example, Edgene, this is another big insanity plea case that's happened. What he did was, he went in and his lawyers were like, yeah, he's completely insane and not competent stand trial. So they kept him in a psych ward for a month and just ran tests and observed him and saw it was going on. And by the end of it, the psychologists who did the interviews with them and everything, they were like, yeah, he genuinely doesn't understand why what he did is wrong. - Was that the mind hunter guy? - No, no. - No, that's one of those. - He's the leather face, up in Wisconsin. He, like, he had a lot of bodies. - Yeah, dug up bodies in turn people into lamps and shit. - Yeah, oh, but did. - That is what Geen did, too. Yeah, Geen was digging people up. - That's what we were talking about. - Yeah, that is, yeah, that's okay. Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying. - No, we're saying the other one from mind hunter wasn't the same. - Yeah, Geen was the one that did leather face in a lot of serial killers. - Yeah, so pretty much, I would think that the defense could pretty much rest on the fact that this is what my client did. He's clearly insane from the action, like that's. But even then they couldn't, like, the prosecution was gunning for first-degree murder and for two of the cases and then for a whole bunch of other crimes for everything else, which I mean, it makes sense, but the defense basically is like, hey, there's two aspects to this law. One is, is he competent to participate in his own defense? The other is, does he understand that what he did is wrong? And on both counts, they were like, he's not competent to stand in his own defense and he does not understand why what he did was wrong. And then they kept him in a mental hospital for the remainder of his life, which is how that should be handled. They did put him on trial a couple more times to see if he was able to stand trial and to be punished for what he did. - There's also a cheaper option. There is a much cheaper option, yes. But in Geens case, it was like, yeah, this is a, it's kind of like looking at where somebody who's IQ sub 70 and you're like, ah, can we really kill that guy? Does he really understand what he did wrong? - The answer is yes. - Okay, so there's a range of opinions on this subject. - Now you're, this table right here is very different. - I'm just saying, you range of opinions on this subject. - Oh, I thought it was just a practical question. - Yeah, those people I kill are legitimately. - Welcome to Texas. - They certainly are killable. It's just a question whether or not you should. - You get a particularly ordinary dog. What are you doing with it? - And he can't say go, test. - Oh, so you're telling me you can take a nine millimeter to the back of the head. - Anywhere. - He's telling me he's dangerous and can't be fixed. - Anyway, the point of the matter. - The point of the matter. - So you would babysit your kids. - Frankly, give me that chance. - I mean, you did babysit people. That's the point of the matter. - Fuck it, really? - No, oh yeah. - Yeah, he was babysitter. - But he also never did anything to the kids. - Well, he didn't do anything to the kids other than, you know, like put on one of the masks in front of them to try to scare them, which would probably be pretty fucked up. - Did it also, like, not really work on the kids, too? - The kids were more confused than they were scared. Yeah, which is apparently what happened to Lindsay Clancy case, 'cause there's no defensive ones. But yeah, in her case, the thing is, with Geen, he was retried several times and it kept determining, yeah, this guy is incompetent to stand trial, he's got to remain in a mental hospital. With Massachusetts the way it works is that if Lindsay Clancy has found not guilty by reason of insanity, she goes to a mental hospital for six months. And then they can release her if she is apparently competent. - Well, give your reasoning why you have your opinion that you did, because you have particularly nuanced takes on that in terms of her responsibility in the case. - Oh, yeah, well, what exactly was the opinion? 'Cause I think we kind of glanced around this. - Sure, so the end verdict was hung trial. There's nobody can decide. - One person stopped. - Yeah, one person stopped all of this and also everything Roddington did afterwards is beyond the pale and he should be disbarred. He's a fantastic lawyer. He's a terrible human being. Asking the president for a pardon, knowing that the president could not pardon his client is all performing. - It's all performative. The whole point is to taint the jury pool, make sure that they can't have a proper trial of her for a second one 'cause it looks like they're going to have one. Now, my opinion on it was after reviewing everything and looking over all the details, whether or not she was psychotic at the time of the murders is actually irrelevant because she did not claim to have been psychotic when she checked herself out of a mental hospital. She did not claim to be psychotic when she decided to stop taking her medications against doctors' orders. She did not claim to be psychotic at any point leading up to this as she was making medical decisions for herself and those medical decisions as she has alleged in her civil suit are what led to the the murders happening. So she in her rational mind made decisions which led to these murders occurring by taking herself off medication, by checking herself out of the mental hospital, which means that she had the very least bears a degree of responsibility for negligent homicide. So decisions made in her sane mind is what led to this, yes, therefore circumventing the temper, which is why I think that she deserves to go to jail, no matter what the murder thing is, because you know, whether or not she was insane at the time, she made decisions, which led to that happening, and she needs to be health accountable for it. Histoff, everybody? Yeah, because you'd be surprised on this case. It was very, because the aisle we sit on is we look at that and it's like, oh, that's stupid. She'd murder three kids. Yeah, like, wow, wild idea, but how that side defended her or we go after anyone if they didn't fall in line with that ideology is fucking that thing, because they would go, like, which hunt you essentially. There were two primary camps for that defense. One of them was the medical industry failure, because she had multiple different doctors, multiple different psychiatrists that were all prescribing her tons of different medications that all had that was a shocking thing to me, the amount of drugs she was on. Yes, fucking insane. Yeah, and it was that, and then it was also then the kind of TikTok psychosis where they were all starting to think the Patrick did it. Yeah, that was a lot of people that were essentially just like, TikTok psychosis. The craziness of the Patrick did it, crowd, is really the scariest part of the whole thing, because there's no evidence that he did it. Their entire argument is based on misunderstandings of what happened, and you can explain this to them and they double down on it. They're all treating it like it's a true crime show that they're listening to, and it's like, well, waiting for the plot twist at the end, and it was actually the husband who did it. It's like, no, you dumb fucking ****. This woman murdered her three children. The argument that we're having is whether, you know, she is culpable for what she did because she was loaded full of fucking pills. You know, she took herself off of them, the postpartum shit, even though the kids were, you know, three years old at the youngest or whatever. Five, eight months. Eight months was the youngest. That is ripped through that community like fucking crack in the 80s. Yeah, fucking dumb white bitches. It's been weird, because we're like, we're in it. We make true crime content, but we don't do it the way most of the big true crime creators do it. We do it in a very different style. We said yesterday, it's you're not going into these as a true crime. You're like, oh, we're going to solve this murder. It's, hey, let's just build the evidence and see where it takes us. I want to approach it the way I imagine a detective would approach a case where something needs to be explained to people. It's like, what does all the evidence tell us and, you know, how do we extrapolate it? How do we interpret it from there? But in the true crime community, it's just gotten to the point where you've got very few people who do what we do and a lot of people who their whole goal is to capitalize and make money. And they don't care about the effect that it's going to have on people. And I think in the one sense, there's the immediate effects of the people you're talking about and their families and all that, you know, you don't want to cause unnecessary harm. They're not movie characters. Exactly. They're real people. So you don't want to cause unnecessary harm. You want to be careful about it. But then there's the knock on effects where when these creators get popular and they keep phrasing things a certain way, they keep explaining things a certain way. They keep telling certain stories and they leave out facts and they leave out details all for the sensationalism or whatever. Then you, you have a societal effect where people over more and more began to misunderstand how many of this works. So you've got, you know, true crime creator, their fans and then their fans tell people how they interpreted what the true crime creator said. And then those people tell other people what they heard from their friends. And eventually, you've got a ton of people who believe things that simply aren't true, which is what happened with Lindsey Clancy. It's like, you know, half of the information out there that people will tell you is just false. Like not not even twisted, not you know, you know, based off of the truth, but is subjectively wrong. Just objectively wrong information. Nobody does their due diligence. Yeah. And also stuff like they're like, well, why was the dad's DNA found on the exercise bands? Because he pulled them off the kids. That and he lives in the house. And he lives in the house. Like, he's probably used them. They're like, well, Lindsey's DNA wasn't found in the exercise bands. It was, it just was. See, like, except like that, where again, a majority people are like, nope, see, you know, like, nah, it's easily proven wrong. Yeah. Well, because and this is an issue that I have with creators that will remain on, you know, unnamed. But the the way that YouTube works and the way that, you know, basically, you're just you're working for clicks. Like a lot of these people, if let's say, can't talk realistic. Yeah, fuck you, stop. Him and his sensationalist true crime video. That was ballistic high speed. But this guy is much worse. He's a very good dear friend. But he's, but like there's there's creators that let's say like 95% of people are saying the same thing because it's the truth. And like, that's actually what happened. But that 5% can then counter. And there's at least 30% of the population that's willing to believe that and go along with that. So they're like, oh, fuck, this is a better untapped market share. There's a bunch of just rift. I would absolutely do that. Rifting. Yeah. Because I don't believe it. Most of them know that it's not true. But I replied on it because they know that there is a community there that is willing to watch it. That's the missing 401 stuff. That's probably the best example I've ever seen of that. Really? Oh, my God. And I bought into it hookline and sinker. Like originally, I was like, man, this seems like there's really something weird going on. All these people disappearing the woods and the cops can't figure out what's going on. Like that seems real. And I spent three years researching it to come to the conclusion that this is all made up. Like really? So Connor, you're safe. This entire thing is bullshit. They're never going to find me. I'm not like, okay, I have to for the reasons I have to say this is my opinion. But in my opinion, the whole missing 401 one franchise and phenomenon exists for the sole purpose of getting people to spend money investigating Bigfoot. Get get some. Yeah. Well, yeah, give an example, like a couple like missing 401k. So okay, okay, back in, I think it was the 80s girl named Teresa beer. She's 15 or 16. She's in California. She disappears. And the way David politis presents this story is that she got on who he is real. He is a court. Well, he, well, I found out he's got a master's degree in HR. So a lot makes more sense now. But he is a form police officer from California, San Diego specifically. He writes books called missing 401 one. And these books are about people who go missing under mysterious circumstances. Originally, the whole idea was going missing in national parks. And then he made one that was basically just copying off of the smiley face killers thing, which was kind of weird. Now he's got one that's a specific movie just about disappearances in the national parks of Washington, which I watched and realized I've covered half of the cases already, which was kind of fun because I was like, oh, this will be easy to do. But you know, for example, one from that case, sorry, no, it was a different one. What was I thinking of? Yeah, Teresa Beer. This is the 1980s in David politis's first book, missing 401 Western United States. He says that Teresa, you know, went off for a hike with this neighbor. And then the neighbor came back, but she didn't. And the neighbor ended up telling the police that she was abducted by a tribe of Sasquatch. And they went. A likely story. Yeah. So he decided specific newspaper articles to tell this story. And so I go and I read those newspaper articles. And it turns out the exact same ones he referenced all say that police have determined this man actually kidnapped the girl and probably murdered her. And that the whole tribe of Sasquatch thing was complete bullshit. Well, well, well, well, well. What is David politis? Which is more likely. David politis instead makes it like leaves out everything else and just kind of leaves it at, you know, the guy said that she had been abducted by a tribe of Sasquatch. And when police found the camp, they couldn't find any evidence to the contrary. And I'm like, what explain the evidence to the contrary to me? What would you consider evidence to the contrary that this girl was kidnapped by a tribe of Sasquatch? Uh, the guy who obviously died and murdered her. Oh, yeah. And that was the thing too is like this guy had been a problem. He had been stalking her. Teresa was a special needs girl. He was trying to save her from the Sasquatch. It is the most obvious thing ever. And also he had been like feeding her this story of like we should go look for Sasquatch in the mountains for weeks. Why wouldn't you go with like mountain lion? Because that's a objective. It's not as big enough. Listen, man, until you felt the tender embrace of a female Sasquatch, I'm going to shut your mouth. I thought you were going somewhere else with that and I got very concerned. At the police officer, it's like, what happened? You guys were going to believe it. You're right. I don't. You have to remain fucking silent. You're right. Where she was abducted is just like, yeah, that's probably one of the most obvious ones. Wait, did they not arrest homie? No, they did. Okay. He actually did end up not being convicted. What? They had no evidence to convict them. It was all circumstantial. They had no physical evidence tying him to the crime and nobody. They never found her body. Oh, I see. He did end up getting convicted of something else several years later and I'm pretty sure he died in prison. Did he? Did he blame that on Sasquatch? No, no. It was like, yeah, it was like robbery. Yeah. Yeah. The reason specifically that Sasquatch and a shiny pollite is probably doing the whole thing for Bigfoot is because before he started doing all these missing 401 books and documentaries, what was he doing? He was writing books about Bigfoot. Today we're talking about Pancho. our sponsor, Pancho! Everyone wears Pancho! And look, I'm gonna disappear by putting the shirt on. I'm a floating head now. You guys already know all of us wear Pancho, especially the boys, they love it. Especially the ones with the pearl snaps as they always talk about. Boy it up. You'll look, if you could see my shirt, 'cause it's camouflage, if you don't get that joke, and I have to explain it. If you could see it, you would understand how good I look. I'll show you when you can see. It's blue. Now for fall, what, what style are we wearing? I'm probably gonna be rocking the long sleeves. I do wear the long sleeves with my suits. I just never wear suits on camera, 'cause I feel weird. But dear God, do they feel really good? Like, when I say breathability, I'm not joking around these. These, these (beep) feel good. Finn, bleep out, (beep) So the denim is Western style. Never stiff, built in stretch, and made for performance. The season that to ponchooutdoors.com/unsub, and then are your email to get $10 off, and free shipping on your first order. That's poncho, P-O-N-C-H-O-Outdoors.com/unsub. Go now, and when they ask who sent ya, make sure you type "unsub" since the regards. He started an organization called North America, Bigfoot Search, I think. And he says that he was working a different job as like HR or sales, it was some other corporate gig. And his bosses got really into Bigfoot and just came to him and they were like, "Hey, we know you were a police officer "and you're into Bigfoot, can you find Bigfoot for us?" And he's like, "Yeah, I can find Bigfoot for you." That's his story of how his research into Bigfoot got started. And like, well, obviously you must have been interested in Bigfoot before 2008, 'cause you started this organization like 2006. So I'm looking into everything and he's also got this story about how the missing 4011 thing started, which has changed every single time he's told it. It's kind of like Steven Sugall telling fight stories. But it starts off with, he's working on a documentary for something, he's looking into something, some interesting trends in the forest. He doesn't say it's Bigfoot, but in later retellings, it's clear that this is about Bigfoot. He was interviewing some people. Sometimes it's part contractors, sometimes it's Rangers. Sometimes it's off-duty employees. Sometimes it's off-season employees. And then later that night, a Ranger shows up to his motel room out of uniform and knocks on the door, except sometimes it's two Rangers. Sometimes it's two male Rangers. Sometimes it's a male and a female. They tell him that people have been going missing in the parks and nobody's really doing anything about it and somebody's got to look into it. And then there's that part usually remains pretty much the same, but he asks, do people know about this? And then he gets a call from somebody in the FBI is trying to shut him down. And most recently he got in touch with, who's the representative from Tennessee, who's into UFOs? - Berchett. - Berchett. - Yeah, Tim Berchett. - Somehow got in contact with Berchett. - Berchett was like, we'll get you in contact. - Dude, this is Kai. This is my whole gig right now, right? - Yeah, I'm like, but it's like the UFO's doing. - Well, he's a very funny guy. He's like a very funny representative. - Dude, if you win, I would love the hookup to bring him on our show, 'cause that would be hilarious. - He's, he's, what, we get first dibs. - Is he, oh, he's super into UFOs? - I like a lot of the UFOs, he's also, I think he's the guy that writes the skateboard around the Capitol. - Yeah, incredible. - But no, it's politice, he got in touch with politice and said he would get him in touch with the DOI. - I think I'm heavy-wine. - Everyone's just broke this episode. - We got lions in fucking malls. We got a skateboarding congressman is obsessed with UFOs. A little girl got a (beep) by big foot. - The fuck, bro. - Sounds like a blink when you eat two out of them. - It does, yeah. - Looks like that last part. - No, no, that would, that's the bonus track. - Oh, yeah. - Dude, they have a song where the opening lyric is, "It's Christmas Eve and my grandpa just states seven fucking hot dogs and he shit, shit, shit is pants. He's always (beep) shit in his pants. They can have a song about big foot (beep) in a teenager. - I'd prefer they didn't. - I'd been being too, like, like, I feel like I'm gonna wake up on my best friend's couch in high school in my, the last 10 years of my life for a mushroom trip, bro. - You wanna go to the mall? - Yeah. - That's the first thing you do to pay. - It's like, bro, that sound is crazy, huh? - I don't like you. - Let's go check out the line of the mall. - Dude, I feel it all too well. - I spent seven years as a brick in the unsob house. (laughing) - No, guys, you'll never believe me. I was harassing a future congressman with a didgeridoo. (laughing) - That is an objectively wild thing to say. - That was it. - That was last night. - I tweeted that last night and somebody said, "This sentence has never been said before." Dude, I love marking that. When people say something to be like, "That is the first time in history." Somebody said that for sure. - Geez. - All right, so back to Squatch. - Oh, yeah. - I can talk Squatch all day. - I just wanna do a lot of the four 11, like, four 11s, whatever they're called, just crazy people making up story and then it just took root. - So here's the thing. It's usually not crazy people making up a story. It's usually a very mundane and boring story that a crazy person took and made crazy. - There's one specific person. - One specific crazy person. - The little boy who went missing and all they found was a shoe. - Oh, super fun, right? - That's like seven of them. - Yeah. - I assume you mean Dennis Martin. - No, Martin never found anything. - Oh, wait, is it Aaron Hedges? - No, that was an adult. - And 'cause there were like two theories as either. He was abducted by it like this. - I think I know you're (beep) - Wild killer. - He was less shroud involved in this one. - Maybe. - All right, I'm trying to think of which one. 'Cause there's a few of them where it's like all they found was a missing shoe, or his clothes were folded on a rock. - That's where they found a brand of shoes. - Yeah. - Well, I think this one was a random perk. Like one random dude was top two or discussed when he went missing, but past that, he was just gone and they found a shoe like miles away. - I think you're talking about that. - 'Cause I think a lot of them, I've heard a theory that it's like the way the people go missing and the way that parts of them are found, it's similar to how mountain lions hunt. - Interesting. - This one, the kid, I think the parents. - Yeah, it was like a family. - Outing, they were just hanging out and they didn't even go hiking. It was literally in their little area. - Yeah, they were like playing hide and go seek and then the kids just fucking gone forever. - See, that sounds like Dennis Martin. - Yeah. - Yeah, that one would be Dennis Martin. - That the shoe was found. - The shoe was found took the child. - There is another one that's more recent and Deercune's is a similar story to that, but it looks more like there might have been foul play in that one. Dennis Martin was one of the great smokies in the late 60s who vanished after a game of hide and seek and they never found him. And of course, before we had gone there and seen the spot for ourselves, I was like, I can't comprehend this. How could he have gone missing with nobody seeing it? Then we got out there and there are spots where if you step off the trail, you're falling eight feet into a bush. - Oh, there's also like there's a ton of, especially if you're trying to go down the mountain. There's a lot of drainage is where it's like the path itself will curve, but there's a drain into the ghost straight, essentially directly off a 20 foot cliff. And if you're, what was he, six? - Six, yeah. - Yeah, if you're six and you're lost and you're just trying to follow the trail and you're not looking up, you could easily just dunk right over it. - Well, kids don't have that height factor like now. - Fear was literally the other day. It was a mom going, God, I hope my kid does not fall 'cause the kid was climbing a tree. - This is a six year old. - And the kid is 50 feet. - Oh yeah. I'm sure we all did that shit when we were little kids. - Yeah, and the mom's just feeling it's like, "Hey, you should probably come down." He's like, "Oh, okay." You don't want your leaning. - Yeah. - She's like, "Oh my God." - You don't wanna freak him out. - No, no. - So it's like, "Can you just get down from there?" - I don't know. - I'm still a video to the freak me out, so you know, as a parent. - Yeah. - And then the kid had like webs on him and we'll probably, like, take some off and you're like, "Oh man, that is fucking terrifying." - Yeah. - Is it good? - No fear. - Yeah, the amount of shit I climbed in the woods that I would never let my child climb. - Oh yeah. - Uncountable. - I spent a lot of time in trees as a kid. - You live here at Tiger. (laughing) - So six-year-old, man. - Listen, dude, I've seen the Tiger King's third husband's cock, so what do you wanna say to me? - Why? - Oh, this is what you're asking for. - If that's what you're wondering. - That's really the only question I have. (laughing) - I don't know. - Why? - He added me on Snapchat. It was during COVID. - This is before he started Snapchat. - Yeah. - So listen it. - No. - The Tiger King messaged me during COVID and said that he wanted to do podcast appearances and it was gonna cost like a couple hundred dollars for 20 minutes or something like that. It was weird. It was from his official account. - That's crazy. - And also, yes. (laughing) - Oh my, you should've had him. - From Jay. - You should've had him do it. Like that would've been fantastic. - Because, well, that's a good case to even discuss 'cause he's, well, no, never mind. I'm thinking of the other guy that got, what kicked off the entire true crime on Netflix? - It was to make a murderer. - I think so making a murderer, yeah. You remember that one? - Yeah, that guy was innocent, but then they left out a lot of details that also showed. - I love how we started with tigers and cages, old crazy men and missing people and we just slowly brought them all together with Tiger King. - Yeah. - I mean, Tiger King and making a murderer are the ones that really. - COVID was a wild time. - Yeah. - Yeah, that's true. - Tiger King could've f***ed Sasquatch. (laughing) - Probably did. - Yeah. - A male one specifically. - Like the one part where he's like, "I do drugs, I am gay." (laughing) - We know. (laughing) - "I am addicted to drugs, I own guns, I am a homosexual." (laughing) - I could have interpreted all of that. - What? I could have intuitive. Oh, yeah. Did you guys watch making a murder? None of you watched that one. That is pretty much what caked off that entire You've seen it show. You know, she's a woman She's seen it. They did a really good job on that because that's how he got the second season Which they hanged and then they didn't give it a third. So no one gave a fuck after that Yeah, it was like a lot of mad a gel. He's getting a part in he didn't do it or him in his mouth. Listen that bitch Carol Baskin though. Yeah, it's definitely killer husband We're gonna do an episode on that soon. Okay, so we were thinking that did you do a box exclusive episode? Did you do it while the iron's hot? I see not yet. I mean from everything that they Everything that's it looks like she fucking it looks like she fucking killed her husband Yeah, uh speaking by the way, we do have a pepper box Exclusive I want to mention that it should be up by now. Yeah, it's called American monsters. It's about serial killers Oh, yeah, I don't know figured I should mention that at some point. Oh, yeah, the lower logic exclusive But then we also have a special exclusive coming out. Oh, yeah, we also a history unhinged Episode that we couldn't use on YouTube or patreon and we're like this. We know where this is gonna go I might have referred to several ethnicities is not being human Well, there's a line. Yeah, they will surprise you Well, when you're going with monsters. That's are you doing it based off of some of the They started that new series monsters on Netflix. Yeah, so the first one actually yes That was kind of how I had the idea was we were covering Edgene It was at the same time that mod monster Edgene had come out which terrible just horrifically inaccurate and really point of being slander against certain people Yeah, like the woman who plays his love interest the entire movie whose actual name is escaping me right now She knew the guy for like a total of eight months and they went out To walk in the park a couple of times and they make her like the inspiration for his killings. Holy so real person Yeah, real person with a real name and there's no way that guy was getting I don't know about that, but the same thing about Bernie's work the other the woman the one woman he kills You know, they have there be a whole affair between her and Edgene and that never happened Like there was me never any relationship between those two Um, and the show could have had it be you know like it was his imagination and it was perception and go He was just going insane and thought this had happened, but they don't they they make it a real thing that happened The dramatic effect is I don't see how that's legal and any capacity because it is a real hurt Okay, yeah, we still sucks for them or their family members like oh, well this girl was a problem or however Yeah, 40 40 years later. Yeah, somebody comes along with a multi-million dollar budget to slander your grandma Like it's oh it's crazy, but she had kids Like she probably has living descendants who saw this But this has happened with pretty much every Netflix thing that we've covered especially the jambanay series The jambanay series was just despicable because of how many things they let john lie about which we are Starting our investigation the first one of those just went up. Yeah, what do you think about the other monsters things? Because I I really enjoyed the one that they did about like I think was the mendoza brothers Yeah, and I've heard that that one was decent In terms of realism and that it's just been getting worse because that's because that's the wild part is that that's still an ongoing thing where these guys might get Fucking let out a present. I forget what. Yeah. Oh really I didn't know from what I have heard about that. Not pardoned Good one. Yeah, when they do an interview all parole. Thank you. Oh, yeah Because there was that one and then there was donner, which I really have the donner one Donner how that one I felt pretty fucking spot on it I mean his story is definitely not where you don't have to change it. We're in a game I do believe his story is yes, he's crazy, but it's not to the degree like Texas Chainsaw massacre where they like. Oh, he's a fucking psychopath He only feel like two people didn't yeah, he only killed two people most of his victims were already dead when he dug them up Most would say too too many definitely too too many. Yeah, but no no argument there But he did only kill two people. He's not really a he's not a serial killer He doesn't fit the serial killer mold and another funny thing is that in the show fun he helps them track down Ted Bundy Is that what that did not happen no that happy I did speak to him the FBI did send John Douglas and another Profiler to go and interview Geen, but Douglas is quoted as saying that Geen was so insane That there was they couldn't get anything useful out of him even for their purposes, which were not like An actual crime they were solving it was them studying psychology of serial killers And they were like yeah Geen was so insane that we couldn't get anything useful out of him so no He did not help with you catching Ted Bundy. You know who helped catch Ted Bundy? Ted fucking Bundy. Yeah, there was an idiot Like he gets away with it for so long and then Escapes from prison twice and proceeds to immediately commit crimes again He's just going to help him then it's it's remarkable I think well, I can't remember. It's another comedian that's got that bit about like you know that that guy had to be actually like Attractive as for charm. Oh, yeah, because like his line was I don't know how to like my cars broken down Can you please help me to women. Yeah, wait a minute. That's that's the line that that got all these women holy shit Several women in one day by being like I can't load my boat onto my car. Yeah, several women in one day Well, he'd be like had a cast and a crutch and carrying books and be like oh, I need your help and yeah It's actually hilarious because there are women who would say no and he'd be like very frustrated by it And there was some they were just like Yeah, that feels wrong I'm just not gonna do that and then I think one had a boyfriend Oh, she was like yeah, my boyfriend can help you and then Ted is just like I'm good at But also it's It's progression broken heart Swiping what kind of shopper are you? I'm the kind that gets bags. 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That's fabletics.com/unsub His progression as a serial killer is really weird because it doesn't it doesn't fall along the lines you'd expect There's an early normal serial killer exactly his early victims are Adult women who are generally like pretty high status either they're in they're in college or they're come from a good family or something like that By the end he's going after like 12-year-old girls he goes from like Kidnapping people and then killing them in ways that are kind of difficult for anybody to solve to just like like what? Beating 12-year-old girls to death and throwing them in a swamp Was there a younger I guess it's it seems more like he was devolving and he was actually losing control and just Going after anything which is weird when it comes to the rarity that when it comes to the kids Yeah, that's usually it's you've got offenders who are preferential And he doesn't seem like he's a violet first because he's going after adult women when Teenage girls are going to be the easier targets So it seems like his preference is for adult women But as he devolves further his he goes after younger and younger and it seems like it was probably because they were the easier targets Not because he was attracted to younger girls, which he might have been he might have been a file too I don't know because I don't I don't remember if his crimes were inherently sexual it seems like they probably were Mm. I don't know that they ever recovered any hard evidence because it was the 70s and we don't get DNA analysis till the 90s Um, right. He'd already fried by then. Yeah, he was he was gone Well, he was also weird because he had that kind of whether it was real or not Dr. Jekyll's Yeah, I'd think going yeah, he did he would be very his personality would change quite a bit depending on who he was talking to and What time of day it was like there were definitely some things wrong with him And he he would never claim responsibility for his crimes because he always claimed it was essentially a different person Yeah, he claimed that he was inhabited by another personality But he didn't really he kind of talked about it in demonic terms, but not quite I will say that's a cup of the biggest flashbin of that entire show was at the very end of the Florida judge being played by Sheldon from Big Bang. Yeah. I was not prepared for that. Yeah, I know. That's a very serious show up until that exact moment. Wait, what show is this? The Ted Bundy Netflix show. Oh, I never watched that. I'm sorry. It was a movie. The movie. It was the one with Zach Efron. Zach Efron. I never watched that. I hit that motherfucker with the bazing. Yeah. Life. Washing. The only thing I know about that man is the only reason they had him wear long sleeves throughout the entirety of Big Bang is because he was too yoked and it didn't fit the character. Yeah. Apparently, he was shredded. Can I ask another question? How did that show get a spin-off and how did the spin-off get a spin-off? I found out about spin-off. The spin-off? Yeah. The spin-off is Young Sheldon. And then the spin-off of Young Sheldon is like Georgian Mandy's first marriage, which is starring Emily Osman and some guy where the premise is that Emily Osman's character is 10 years older than her husband and she's only like 33. I think there's another spin-off too. There was the future, big. I seen a trailer when I don't know. It looks like a sci-fi movie or show. Interesting. That show, yeah, made a bajillion dollar. Yeah. Like, well, let's keep milking. Oh, Young Sheldon worked fucking. They've got a billion seasons just keep printin' dollars. It is weird because Emily Osman feels like she should be a lot older than Sheldon. She is to me. I'm realizing she's probably a little like six-year-old older than I am. Who? Like, she's got to be in her mid-30s. Emily Osman. She was the side character in Hannah Montana. Yeah, big bandage. Yeah, big bandage. I shouldn't be too old for this. I'm not too old for it. He just never fucking watched Hannah Montana. She kind of looks like Haley Joel Osman if he was a woman. Oh, actually, that really does help. I think I know what you're talking about now. Five guys are each and fucks. Oh. She could get it. So they got a table of aged wizards. Where's the orb? I'm only four. Yeah, where's your orb, motherfucker? We have other things to ponder. (laughs) Where's the dragon balls? They're over here. So after the monster city's like, okay, we're gonna do a couple of these and then it actually took off into now. Yeah. Like, okay, we can hit. Everything I've heard about the Lizzy Borden series is that the Lizzy Borden series is terribly inaccurate. Really? Yeah. That was the chick with the axe, right? Yeah. Well, probably very boring. I believe that. See, here's the thing. I went to do the story. I was gonna cover it for the channel, I think actually for Pepperbox, and then I was reading through it. I'm like, oh, this is super boring. It's literally, we have to make up everything. Like, it makes sense that, you know, the most boring, true crime story in history would be the story of a woman in New England. Bitch went crazy and hacked her family up. It's like, yeah, if I lived in New England, I probably would, too. You ever been there? Boring. There's nothing going on. You ever been in that ticket? No. No, and I don't want to go. I feel like, here's the thing. I feel, I grew up in a very preppy area of Pennsylvania. And the last thing I want to do is go on vacation in an even more preppy place. You know? I just never had a really good time in New England. Yeah. Lizzy Borden wasn't rude. That's just how they are up there. That is the, that is the, I fucking hate that shit. Almost cop out. Like, you go to like Boston and these places we've done live shows and shit, and everybody's a fucking asshole. Yep. And they'll just be, yeah, well, you know, everyone around here is like, they're an asshole, like, they're honest. So like, that's good. And I'm like, no, it's still not. You're still just a dick. What's the place we got? Was New England? Was New England the Kevin trip? Yes. The Kevin trip. The New England was the worst place on just this service, everything. Everything was rude. It was horrible. Look for the libertarians. Yeah. It was like their state. It. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We did not have a good time. The first time I fought with cops. It was not the first time I fought with cops. Oh, you know what? I just like waking up. It's like, oh, this happened last time. It's like, what? I mean, everything about that, the bartender to where we got, we ate that and it was just rude. They like, they got pissed that we wanted to order food essentially. Yeah. The waiter came over and he's like, do you want to order like drinks or something? And we're like, well, we are sitting down at a table in a restaurant and you're the waiter. So I figure we may as well, one in a row. Do you show up at like five minutes before close? No. No. At about, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. 6.30 in the evening. When most people eat dinner. That is when most people eat dinner. Yeah. You know, like, but everybody around you, like, I know we're all assholes and shit. But like, this is just like how we do it. I'm like, I know. I know it is. That's, I don't like it. I had to apologize to a white woman in a Dunkin' Donuts once because of her doing the thing. Oh, my God. How frequently do you see white people working at Dunkin' Donuts? I can't tell you the last time. I do a Dunkin' We don't have much time. Oh, right. We're in Texas. Yeah. Yeah. Well, okay. So like, if you're frozen or feasts. All the Dunkins are run by Indians. Oh, yeah. It's very rare that you see a Dunkin' that is not run by Indians. So this was an instance where it was one of those rare Dunkins run by white people. It was 7/11? Yeah. In the Northeast, yeah. Sure. I had something, but I made eye contact with Brandon and I'm like, now. And this is not India runs on Dunkin'. That's it. Yeah. But so we're in this Dunkin' and my friend had left her ring. Not her wedding ring mind. You, she's not married or engaged. She's left her ring in the bathroom and then we drive back to the house where we're all staying at and she realises she left her ring, so I'm like, oh, let's go back to the Dunkin'. We go to the Dunkin' and she walks up and we're standing there. I'm not kidding for maybe 90 seconds while the two sets of people in front of us order. And as the second set of people is trying to finish up their order, my friend just starts yelling at both the customers and the staff and she's from Massachusetts. So it's all in that accent and she is just berating these poor people, demanding to be let into the bathroom. There's someone in the bathroom. She can't go in there anyway. They tell her this. She doesn't care. She keeps yelling. I finally usher her out of the Dunkin' Donuts. I go to apologize and there's really no funny part to the story. It's just like-- Lost a friend. Her friend sounds like she sucks. That is kind of the moral of the story. It's just like-- There's no funny part. There's no funny part. Weird that you described her as a friend. My friend. Oh, still. You didn't name drop her that. I love that. I love that. I probably should have given her the name. There's enough people with that name in the world. She's going to find out about this somehow and I'm going to get-- None that you'll hate anybody in the Dunkin'. Yeah. It sounds like you won't really care at this point. Yeah. It's like her parading people's kind of standard. Yeah, but no. It's just very typical Massachusetts, like Boston, you know, just bitching out the Dunkin' Donuts worker for something they can't control because you made a mistake and left your ring in the bathroom. Like, that's on you, dude. The New Hampshire bartender was just trying to hit me. Yeah. Yeah, that was wild. Like, hit you. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Physically striking. No, no, no. Physically striking. What the hell happened to you? No, no, no, no. You're doing anything. You're trying to order drinks. And it's not like we don't tip. We don't do anything. Like, we're very accommodating. Yeah, we're very accommodating. Yeah, dude. It's like we. (laughter) Are we holding a hold now? All right, Steve Bischemmie. No, like, yeah, take care of the people that take care of you. It's not like we're assholes in that regard, but yeah, no, that was, they just did not like. Well, it was bizarre because they didn't like because we were out of town. Yeah. Like, we were out of towners. And they're just like, oh, you didn't grow up here. Fuck you. Sorry, I'm trying to bring money to your economy. Yeah. What was your ID? What, they got pissed about something. I know it's bringing you drink out. Cody took a beer outside because I was smoking a cigarette. It just came out to talk to me like on, and it's not, it's not like we were in the middle of Main Street. We're just like hanging off to the side of this bar. They had like a little wooden patio and the bartender. And the bartender. Yeah. The bartender freaked out. I'll fuck out at Cody. I think you guys went to the worst bar in New England. You know, we had that happen like everywhere we went in New England. Everybody was just rude as fuck. God, sometimes I forget how lucky we are in our town. Well, Pennsylvania is great. Pennsylvania is a fantastic place. Our town literally shuts the streets down from like May until October. And it's open-carry, like knocked on. Be clear. When we say open-carry, we do mean alcohol. Yeah. We'll get weird if you carry guns. Yeah. Not the town. Like not the government, the people. Yeah. Yeah. But no, yeah. I mean, you can just like drink going in out of bars and restaurants or whatever it's great time. So whatever the hell is going on up there. Pretty decent carry state though, right? Pennsylvania. Yeah. Yeah. Philadelphia, you can open carry constitutionally. And your concealed carry is basically, you just go and you say, "Hey, I want one." - Don't open carry. I will be the one dude that says, "Don't do it." Just because it's target number one. - I hate that I love it. - I'm like, "Hey, I'm sorry, you look so weird." And I know people are like, "Mom, it's your what, it is." And you look stupid. - Everybody should have the right to do it. And nobody should. - Nobody should yet. - You wouldn't know why I'm like, "I would prefer everybody." - It's a very simple reason. I don't like shoving the gun in my pants. - Well, it's like, I don't like having the pistol pointed directly at my cock and balls. - You get caught, I don't even know. If you have a good holster, you're never done that. - I don't. - You're gonna get holstered. Otherwise it is, I have a gun. - If I'm a bad guy, I walk in and I'm like, "Okay, I better meet somebody else." - I'll give the exception that if you're like, if you are working like a manual labor field or like you're in the country or in foreign stuff like that, open carry is just one thing. - Also, if it's a revolver, the drip of having a revolver on your hip outweighs anything else. - You just want to be able to cowboy time and not get judged. - Yeah. - Yeah, I get it. - I was like, "Walkin' with two pizzas." I was like, "Ah, I'm like, no, don't you put it away." - I opened carry for three years. And it was because the state I was in didn't allow me to conceal carry before 21. I could carry openly at 18, but had to conceal, or I couldn't conceal until 21. So like legally speaking, I had to open carry, -You're really five. -What's up? -Nothing. -What? -Yeah. (laughing) - He's like, no. - I just, man, I always want to do cowboy shit. - It's always so weird seeing people do that to me 'cause I'm like, why would you fucking show that off? - Ever. - I'm keeping three single action armies. One here, one here, one here. - Oh, you're speaking of cowboy law. - I'm putting a fourth one on my back. - The black beard, six pistol. - Speak of my blocks. - If I was a crazy person, I really wanted a gun. I'd go to somewhere where people open carry and be like, all right, he's walking to his car, brick. - Free gun. - Free gun. - I was like, he was snagging, 'cause he was like, no, brick a cat. (laughing) - Magic brick. (laughing) - Yeah, yeah. - All right, throw a brick. - Cody, use his brick, it's highly effective. - I will say, use his steel. (laughing) - Don't go. - I think we met the most cowboy man alive in Montana. - Oh, yeah, he's talking about the dude who's dad shot a bear with a 30 pound draw weight bow. - 35, but yeah. - No, this guy, we went to a rodeo just over in West Yellowstone, and the guy who happened until I talked to him, myself, and saw the video. - Well, it's a thing, so I went the week prior to this rodeo, and I'd never been to a rodeo before, 'cause I hadn't spent a lot of time out West, and I was like, this is sick. - Not a rodeo, it's a rodeo. - Not a lot of rodeos in Pennsylvania, but I was intrigued by what I found was the pickup guy, so were the guys on the horses who corral the bull into the shoot. And so I went up after the thing to the side of the rail, 'cause he was talking to people. I was like, dude, just wanted to say, I think you guys have the coolest fucking job here. Like that looks badass, and he was like, thanks, man. I appreciate that. And he saw I had a hoit hat on. He was like, oh, are you into bow hunting? I was like, yeah, I just started, and he was like compound, or, you know, recurve or whatever. I was like, yeah, I got a compound. He's like, oh, you gotta do a stick bow. I'm like, what do you, like a long bow? And he was like, yeah, you gotta get into the stick bow hunting. And I'm like, do you do that? And he was like, yeah, of course I do. I'm like, what are you talking about? And he was like, yeah, you know, me and my sons will go out and will go stick bow hunting, whatever, and he pulls out his phone, and he's showing me these pictures. His sons are five and three. - Home five. - And he's got like a 900 pound elk that he got with a literal long bow. And they're 35 pound draw weight long. - Well, no, his was 75. - Oh, his, okay, that's an appropriate draw weight for hunting. - And I'm like, do you do this often? He was like, yeah, we'll get bears with him too. Like, you know, my dad, he was, I think he was like 75, and he got a 10 foot grizzly with a 35 pound draw weight. And I was like, bull shit. And then he, we go over to his trailer, he shows us the video, and it's literally of his elderly dad, a grizzly bear is charging at him. And he just goes, fuck off. And one hit through the shoulder, the thing runs off and collapses. And we were like, how did you get into this? And he was like, oh, yeah, Paul Schaefer makes these stick bows. He goes and hunts polar bears up in the Arctic with him. - I'm 99% sure Paul Schaefer is in the story, the guy who got got up in Canada. - Probably, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - And so, and the other guy who was the other pickup guy, of course, came by and he was like, oh, he's talking to you about stick bow hunting? 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Your body does so much for you. Let's do something for you. That's d-o-s-e-d-a-i-l-y.co/unsub. - I go to an event every year called War of the Barons. It's a larp, I'll be honest about it, but it's very medieval, like reenactment theme. It's all, it looks very cool. Like, it's the aura farming that occurs. I'm not content, it's not nerdy as hell. - Six. - You're on your head. - The amount of aura farming that goes on. The amount of aura farming that goes on is truly remarkable, but the point is, I think that one is shot, but we're shooting each other. We're shooting each other with 35-pound draw weight bows. Granted, they had foam tips on the arrows, but we're shooting each other with them. And this guy killed a bear with that. - Yeah. He also said the most Republican thing I've ever heard, which was, 'cause-- - Let's invade a wreck. - Close. (laughing) - Let's make it at the end of this. He manages a bunch of cattle ranches out there, and he was like, "Yeah, the only thing I hate "more than Democrats are wolves." - And I was like-- (laughing) - And I was like, "Why?" And he's like, "Cause they kill all of our f---ing cattle." And I was like, "What do you mean?" Like, aren't they on Yellowstone? He's like, "Yeah, but they migrate. "We can't fucking kill 'em unless we have tags for 'em." And then he's like, telling me the story about his wife called him when he was out in like, one of the, you know, lands that he was managing. And she calls him and he's like, "Hey, how many wolf tags do we have this year?" And he was like, "I don't know, you ordered 'em why." And she's like, "Just checking." He comes home, she's got a truck bed full of dead wolves. - Holy shit. - Literally 12 of them that she got herself, I think with a bow. No, that was rifle. - That is a hell of a woman, right? - Yeah, I never understood the whole like, hating of the wolf's thing until he was showing us pictures of what they do to the cattle. And he's like, "Yeah, they're clearly well fed "because they'll kill the calves. "They will only eat the internal organs. "They won't eat any of the meat." And they'll just leave the rest of it to rot. - I don't think a lot of people don't realize, even like pigs, you just did a video on pigs. - It's the how bad that shit gets and then how much affects areas. The wolves, the whole thing. So think of any fairy tale ever. The bad guy's always a fucking wolf, because for thousands of years, a legitimate concern was that your wife would leave to go wash the laundry down in the river and get ripped to pieces by fucking wolves. So us being humans, we killed the fuck out of all of them. And we bred them into things that killed them. - Yeah. - What's your allas? And so, yeah, now they're like, they basically were non-existent in a bunch of fucking hippies in the '70s, which they play a role in the ecosystem every animal does. We're all living on God's green earth. We're just visiting shouts out, big men. Now they're coming back and people are like, "Well, these things are fucking terrifying." It's like, "Yeah, no shit. "That's why we almost hunted them to extinction." - Yeah, I see one in person. - Oh, yeah, dude, they're fucking huge. - Yeah. - Yeah, they had them at that animal sanctuary that apparently was the most. - Yeah, he went to the malt, too. (laughing) - I have a slightly large Siberian husky. She has 60 pounds, they're usually like 45 to 50. I've seen a wolf, still half the size. She's like half the size of a wolf. - Your wolves are fucking big. Brandy, what are you doing? - What I was gonna say, I used to have this thing about coyotes 'cause you know, everybody talks about coyote hunting. And I'm like, man, so my biological grandfather had like a half, it was like a mutt. It was like a half shelter dog, half coyote. And her name was Bella, like real, real cute dog. And that's what I always associated coyotes. So I always felt bad 'cause I fucking loved dogs. - Yeah. - And then feeling like, going out and hunting something like that, I'm like, that feels wrong. - Yeah, it's too close to a dog. - And then you see what they fucking do. - They're 50 pounds raps. - It's, yeah, now it's like, that's one of those animals. It's like coyotes and pigs, I can kill and feel nothing. - She's just just a pack of coyotes at night. - Oh yeah, it's fucking safe. - Actually, I heard 'em last night. Yeah, we have a mountain's area. - We don't. - Up in Northeastern B.I. - Yeah, if you get like outside of the populated areas, you, also they keep telling us there's no mountain lines. There's mountain lines. People are catching the mountain lines on the truck. (laughing) - I said, you can't call 'em, man. - Oh, I know. (laughing) - The worst is, the worst is when you hit a coyote with your car and then you check on it. It's just some Navajo, dude. - But Jesus walked. (laughing) - You gotta explain that one. - Oh, I don't have to explain. Remember, he has 31 days. - That's fair. So in Navajo, in Navajo mythology, skin walkers are human witches who tend to wear coyote belts. - No. - Because it will give them the ability to blend in. It's more as camouflage than anything else. There is a certain belief that like you can take on some of the powers of the coyote by wearing its skin, but no, they'll wear coyote belts and run around on all fours. And that's the origin of skin walkers. - Well, that's not the grizzly. - It's taking a power story in a native tribe that we have come across. We shared the best view of it. - The best view of it. - The best view of it yesterday. - No, I knew that. - I was imagining a fucking native guy on all fours out on the desert with a coyote belt on his back and trying not to ask too many questions. - There's like the whole skin walker trend on TikTok. And they're like, "Oh no, my Amazon driver's a skin walker." Dude, it's worse. Like skin walkers are like covens of witches who believe they have, they get powers from eating human flesh and they will go and climb up on top of your little hut. and drop poison dust into your tent, and then either charge you to heal you because usually the skin walker is also the local healer, or they'll kill you with it, take your belongings, or take your body and then eat you when they go to bear you. They'll dig up the fresh grave and bring you back to their little cave. - That was their original. - That's the original skin walker story, like if you go back to the 1930s. - So skin walkers are gypsies? - I'm not sure that gypsies eat people, but aside from that, yeah. - So, did gypsies eat people? - I love when Europeans like Americans are so racist, and then you ask them about gypsies. - Just shows like, - Going from monsters to even the serial killer side, a lot of the serial killers are stories, from real stories too, or slasher, I guess slasher. - Yeah, slasher. - That's all the guys here watch movies, a lot of movies. So which ones are like connections for that, 'cause you have like you, Jason Voorhees. - Yeah, there's a lot that are based on game. - Because, and it's partially because he was doing what he was doing in the '50s, it was so beyond the pale of what anybody had considered normal, like there was nobody who heard Edgene's story and was like, "Yeah, I could imagine somebody was doing that." - Albert Fish. - Alfred Hitchcock, you know, does psycho, which psycho's not based on Edgene, but he did consider what happened with Edgene in the writing of it. It was like the idea that this could happen. The theme of, you know, somebody who is so not harmful, somebody who seems so harmless could do something like this is crazy, and that's what psycho, that movie was, is annual. Norman Bates, the totally normal guy. How can he possibly do any of this? So Geens probably, probably one of the more prolific ones. I'm trying to think there's definitely a few others. - I know Taxi Driver was loosely based off the guy who tried to kill Nixon. - Somebody in that area. - Was Reagan. - No, Reagan, Reagan, before Reagan. - Yeah, Reagan, the guy who tried to kill Reagan and watched Taxi Driver was inspired 'cause he wanted to fuck Jody Foster when she was a kid. - Yeah. - Oh, normal. - Yeah, well my favorite is the before and after and the before and after of heat, because heat was inspired by a real guy, Neil McCauley, in the movie, is based off a real guy named Neil McCauley, who did a lot of the same shit in Chicago, in the '50s or '60s or whatever. - Robberies or just like high. - Yeah, like High Line Crime, kind of stuff and robberies and stuff like that. And then Vincent Hanna in the film is based off of Chuck Adamson, who was friends with Michael Mann, who wrote the book, ever sorry, the movie, and then the subsequent book. But then, you know, that famous shootout scene in LA. You know, in that bank robbery scene, a year later, a group of robbers did the exact same thing 'cause they were inspired by the movie. So the movie was inspired by real events and then the movie inspired real events. - Which happens. I mean, a lot more than people will admit. - We should make a movie about that. - We should. - 'Cause that's the big shootout, right? - The LA, the LA, where the guy convinces retarded Jim Buddy. - Yeah, wait, they were both, you were talking about the bank robbery, LA bank robbery. Were they tape Kevlar to themselves? - Yeah, I didn't realize the retarded. - There were Jim Buddy's, yeah. - There were a bunch of, I mean, muscle heads basically were pumping fucking steroids shit and they're like, "We can get some money." And they called them before they even pulled off one of the robberies with like tons of Kevlar and explosives and guns and shit in their car and let 'em go. - They let them go? - They hadn't committed any things. - It's not a crime. - Yeah, crime to have a Kevlar and a machine. - You're a crazy shit and let 'em go and then they came back into the. - This is a democracy, a big shootout. - Was this before or after the banner fully automatic? - How was the '86, 'cause the movie came out in '95. - Oh, okay, so that was, I wasn't sure if that helped with that entire ban, 'cause it was like '86. - Right, and when was the gun, the full. - '86. - '86, yeah, I was right. - Also for the veterans and cops in the room, is it true that they use that shootout scene to train people on tactical loads? - Yeah, like leaping and bounding and stuff like that. - Val Kilmer was very proud of that. - That's really cool. - Yeah. - But it's actually his, I mean, like. - Yeah, there was them shouting out, calls to each other and everything. - Yeah, there was a thing in the bonus features that Val Kilmer said where it was like somewhere in like the North or South Carolina special forces where the guy will say essentially, if you can't reload as fast as this guy in this movie, you shouldn't be here. But yeah, the cool thing about the shootout is, I mean, there's a couple cool things. One is they use the actual wild sound on the location, which was rare for films to do, because according to Michael Mann, the echoes of the sounds, 'cause they were using full load blanks every take. - You can hear bouncing off the buildings there. - Exactly, and they'd have reports that would last for eight seconds, like for individual shots, because it was just reverberating off of different buildings. And they would use like a thousand rounds per take. And Michael was also annoyed by previous films with how inaccurate the bullet hits were. So they took a bunch of cars and actually shot them up on a range and then brought them to the location and had the prop department fill in and paint over all of the cars to make it look seamless. And they'd had the squibs underneath this clay that would pop out, so it would reveal real bullet whole damage on these cars. And then of course, every take, they shoot a thousand rounds and they blow all these holes out of these cars. They have to refill them every single time. - Oh, that's cool as fuck. - Yeah, that's why it looks so neat. Oh, okay, practical effects, baby. - I love practical effects so much. - Also, it's so funny because in the original version of the bonus features, there's a bunch of footage of De Niro, Kilmer and Al Pacino all on a shooting range, doing training with live rounds, like over and over again, kind of like John Wick. And in the newer versions of the Blu-ray, that's not in there because they like, essentially don't want to publicize nowadays that they actually were using real guns. - Oh, they turned in guns? - Yeah, yeah, no. - By the way, he has a video on all of this on his channel, Sovereight's Attention. - Yeah. - Yeah, I've been doing a lot of breakdowns of films and stuff. - He's just been doing a lot of breakdowns, really. - Yeah. - Just, you know, I find him sobbing at the night. - Yeah. - In my basement, for some reason, we don't live together. - I can't do mushrooms anymore. - Oh god. - I love it. - Anymore, he says. - There was an incident. - There were two incidents, actually. - Three incidents? - That's why it's really concerning. - Is that a rice? - It did. - Oh my god. - What? - That may, I figure you might as well tell me what story. - I'm on YouTube channel. - Quick. - Silver retention. - Silver retention. - It's a play on words 'cause there's an actual chemical process when developing analog film that's called Silver Retention that was used for David Fincher's Seven. - What's the other thing? - The other. - So there's a couple of things. - Yeah, yeah. Well, the other thing is just the idea of like, you know, you watch a silver screen and you're retaining the information from it. So I thought this was like a no-nut-november sort of situation. - No, no. I do like that. - You know what, I need you to explain that one. - Silver retention. - Yeah, how that applies to no-nut-november. - Is your name a silver? - Yes, that's. 31 days, man. 31 days. - It won't be by the time this goes out. - No, by the time this goes out, we probably got like two weeks probably. - Exactly, you know, it's not of time for it to matter. - Yeah, you'd be surprised. - Speaking of the sounds that you were talking about, the reverberation, you've helped with some sounds and some stuff, right? Can we talk about that? - I think we can. - Yeah, we were doing some of the helping, not that we were doing it, but we were helping out with the people who were, doing these sounds for Call of Duty. - Oh, no way. - So like the new, that was really. - Yeah. - That was very soft. - Fucking gated. - Very Wayne's world. - This is the other day too. - This is a pro and con of starting a business with your best friend that you've known since high school, where you spent a lot of time hanging out and then all of a sudden you now hang out and you run a business together. And when you also share the same name, there's a lot of things that just start to kind of, start to get together. - I see him almost as much as much. - Oh that was from the beginning. - Yeah. - You fuck almost as much too. - Yeah. - It's harder now with the business hours, anyway. - You know, with the same joke, but over here. - Once we hired employees, it became really, you know, I became Catholic and now I gotta tell my priest everything I do. - I'll talk word. - Anglican Catholic. - Not really Catholic. - Surprisingly him getting married wasn't a speed bump, like you would imagine. - Yeah, no, the woman run into the church in Canterbury. Just kidding, we're not in communion with them. - What happened? - Oh, my church is not in communion with Canterbury or Rome, even though we're Anglican Catholics. - What's the delineation there? 'Cause I was asking this the other night 'cause I wasn't sure, Conor's like our resident Catholic. So I was wondering, like, is there a difference between like Catholic and Roman Catholic? - And it sounds like a stupid question. - So we would say yes. - They would probably say that if you're not Roman Catholic, you're not Catholic. - Exactly. - Exactly. If you're part of the Apostolic Church, you're Catholic. - Which, okay, so like an Anglican Church, what's the, or Anglican Catholic? - Yeah. - Well, we broke off of the Anglican Church, well, the Episcopalian Church technically, back in the 1970s because they were like, "Hey, what if we were named women?" And we were like, "Hey, what if we didn't?" And I think it is, I can't explain it. Anybody who asked me, I'll receive questions from people. They're like, "Well, you know, how, why shouldn't women be priests? Why can't women be priests?" And I'm like, "Well, I don't know." I, one answer is that Jesus picked 12 men to be his apostles and gave them the power to bind and loose and everything. The other one is that every time churches start redeeming women, everything goes to shit. - You wanna elaborate on that? - Just like, it becomes a completely liberal version of Christianity where everything is permitted and pride flags and the whole thing. - Pride flags and the pulpit, you know. - Let's speak on, yeah, telluriko, yeah, exactly. but it's not Christian, they're spiritual. How should we start this adable simple? 'Cause they said this in the actual ad read. I'm gonna read it because it's awesome. You ever call a business get sent straight to Boy Smell its clearly from 2015 and just hang up. Yeah, your customers do that to you too. That's why at some point you just gotta say, what's fucking quote? That's the ad read quote, amazing job. You get us. Today's episode is brought to you by quote, what's fucking quote? The business phone system built, so you never have to miss a call. Now why is this important if you run a business? 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Yeah, so I look at that and I'm like every time churches begin ordaining women, it goes in that direction. So I might not be able to sit here and give you like a strong philosophical argument in a few words as to why women shouldn't be priests, but I can look at it and tell you women shouldn't be priests based on the results of making women priests. That's also just a wild thing to be able to say that you are a priest that rejects the divination of Christ. Yeah, that's a thing. Pastor's priest, depending on the church. There's in Connor. You look like you are holding down. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I love it. God is just like the Archbishop of Canterbury. The Archbishop of Canterbury did a thing with a Muslim imam where she was like holding hands with him over some sort of document of love between the churches. We're sitting here like this is not the Anglicanism, I remember, and kind of fighting it. But at the same time, we're like, hey, we're Protestants, but we're really Catholic and the Catholics are like, how dare you? Yeah, no, not because-- Absolutely or not. Yeah, we have all the same sacraments and apostolic succession and the same-- I think the entire church is created so that Henry could divorce his wives. That's not true. The Anglican church didn't start until the 1560s. I just learned that-- There's a return to the philicism under Mary the first. And then she burned a bunch of us at the stake. And then her sister was like, you know what, Protestantism's kind of cool. This has to be what she did. Her sister was a witch. I didn't realize the Vikings, when they were told about Christianity, it was like, yo, that's the God that beats all other people. Yeah, and that's metal as hell. That's literally what you want. Oh, shit. It wasn't like-- That doesn't stop any of the fucking pagans with the sh-- tattoos that were like, oh, yeah, no, no. We were actually-- they were really cool. Yeah, the greatest Norse pagan tradition in all of history is converting to Christianity. So I didn't realize that's how they told them to get them on board. And then the Vikings were like, that is pretty metal. Yeah, my God. Our God is super God. Yeah. Oh, did you really have a talk to them? Oh, yeah, you-- oh, I have a God of-- when it rains on two same mornings. It's like, oh, yeah, our God has got it all of that shit. Yeah, well, my God defeated death. They literally part of it. And they're like, on. You-- shit. The first Norse pagans to convert didn't really quite get it. This is the same with the Franks in most of the first generation pagan converts, is they don't quite get it. They're like, got it. So my gods are real. And that dude's just king, right? And the Catholic church was like, good enough. It's close enough. We can work on your kids. And then their kids were like, OK, so my parents had these beliefs and these beings that used to be powerful. But now they're not anymore. And Christ is God. And then those people's kids would be like Christ is Lord. So it usually took about three generations for the conversion process to complete itself. What was the other-- the Viking thing, the whole-- oh, well, I would have been there at the crucifixion. I would have saved-- oh, yeah, that's not fun. There's a bunch of Franks and Vikings. And really all the Germanic people who were like, yeah, me and my boys were there. Like, my posse would have cut him down from that cross. So we wouldn't let that happen. It's kind of like more number. We're all kind of doomed for damnation at that point. I built a time machine and saved Jesus. [LAUGHTER] That was the point. Is that Terminator's kid? I think I've told you about Matt TV. It's Terminator Groves of Act to save Jesus. And he's annoying Jesus because he keeps saving him. It's like, no, you can't do this, dude. I have to die. If Roman Schrozer's come up and Terminator's like, boom, it's blasts all of them. And then it is Terminator at the crucifixion Christ. And then he looks over to Mary, whoever he's like, don't worry. It'll be back. And he's like, OK, that was a good joke. That's a good joke. That's an old one. You've never seen that. I've never seen that. That's why you brought up though the mark of the Mark Walberg 9/11. Oh, yeah. Good Lord. What a statement, dude. Like, what? No one to keep your mouth shut. Do you not know about that? I don't know. I don't know. Oh, god. Oh, yeah. He said something on the lines like Mark Walberg implied that if he was there on one of those planes during 9/11, that he would have prevented it because, quote, there would have been blood all over first class, which like, I-- Probably his. Well, I mean, just like the idea that like, yeah. Just a wild thing to fucking say. Or a refrigerator's mating call. [LAUGHTER] Was this back when he was still Marky Mark? Because that tracks. No. I think it was closed via Namiya's arm. What? What? You don't know that? He blinded a Vietnamese man? No. Wow, dude, like, yeah. Marky Mark in the funky bunch. I didn't know he got into Andre Crumpet. Pretty bad. Yes. I didn't know he blinded a Vietnamese guy. Well, that's why he's a felon. That's why he can't like be on like the set of lone survivor with a real gun. What? He hate crime to Viet Namiya's guy in Boston in the '80s. You didn't know about that? Yeah, he blinded him like. Yeah, he like cracked him across the-- one of his like orbital bones with a pipe. I'm pretty sure. You know, with this one, it's-- They're already pretty close. He said it. Not me. [LAUGHTER] I have a Vietnamese friend. Oh, in that case, every time that's OK. I love it when you say that. Mikey's going to love that job. Dude, that-- yeah, he blinded everybody. But he actually said-- Yeah, he's basically implied that he would have prevented 9/11 if he was on that plane. What? While flexing about being in first class randomly-- Oh my god, that sounds like such a boomer. It was like-- It was like '03. Oh, I know a question. Oh, that's right. That was the truth. You guys have probably known more than me. Is there an airline where first class is worth it? Yes, delta. Delta, OK. Because we flew American here, and we did not fly first class, but we walked past it. And it's slightly bigger seats. Yeah, I feel we've been married twice the money. Free drinks, private bathroom. You got to learn how to flirt with a gay guy who's-- Oh, I can do that. Like I said, I got a dick that was so quick. I got a dick thing from the Tiger King's third husband. And I wasn't even trying. But so what-- I said this 30, 40 minutes ago. I must have been in the bathroom. He's still stuck on the Tiger King's table. The Tiger King's third husband sent me a dick pick once. I did not ask. Good for you. This was also before we started flying out. I need to be clear, this is before Tiger King was on. Oh, oh, I didn't know that. This was before we were doing what we do and before Tiger King air. This was before the-- Not one Tiger King. So why are the trending gay guys on Snapchat? Well, so it was-- Don't say that. You have to frame it. So it's March of 2020, right? I'm a senior in college. I'm home. I've got nothing to do. I'm on Instagram. There's a helping. Yeah, we both-- It's close to the line. We both make the same face. We just went-- I really think this sounds bad. There's a post from the account memes are. We've all seen memes are on Instagram, correct? Hopefully the audience has. And they know what I'm talking about. I know, yeah. Anyway, the post is like-- And you can probably go find this post. It probably still exists, where they're like, hey, let's all post our Snapchat user names and make big Snapchat groups. And did you kick to you nothing? No. Yeah, taught me all the wrong lessons. Exactly. I'm so confused, Jigs. Yeah, Jigs, exactly. So anyway, my user name's the same everywhere. It's the Aiden Madison's. Everything is that. It has been since I was 15. He branded early. Yeah, I branded early. So did the Snapchat thing happen when you were 15? No. No, I was 22. So I post mine. And it's the same as my Instagram. You posted your dick? No. My Snapchat handle. This, because they're going to hand me an armament. Hot women are going to add me on Snapchat, and that's going to be great. Yeah, that's how I'm going to sleep. I'm going to be able to teach you what-- When you're 20-- Listen, when you're 22 years old-- They're going to send you nudes, bro. Holy shit, hot singles in my area? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm thinking, you know, it's up to them. Milfe's going to-- Right now? Listen, I'm going to get out of here. I'll be back. So when I quit working at the Plasma Bank, I didn't have a steady deployment. I'm from San Antonio. Amy's like, I hate this. Anyway, I post mine. I post-- You're why you're going to love this episode. I post my-- she knows the story. I post my username, and I get a whole bunch of ads-- She knows the use. Some of which are from hot women, most are not. Apparently, I have sort of a twin appearance, and my profile is public. So that, I guess. They looked and they were like, "I like what you got." - I thought I was twink and you were twunk. - Now we are, yeah. But at the time, I was much more of a twink. - Yeah, that's fair. - So he adds me and we're chatting back for them. Yeah, this is just a guy trying to be bros. Maybe he wants to play war zone, I don't know. That was big at the time. And so we're just kind of talking. I'm sure he probably was flirting, but because I'm a man who doesn't get hit on by man, and I lived with gay guys who never hit on me, I didn't know what that was. - What's got to feel like really bad. - Yeah. - I was like, you're like, "This is really nice." - Yeah. - Living in the house with a gay guy who doesn't want to fuck you. - It was pretty great, honestly. It was pretty great, honestly. We had a great time. We were great friends. - It's like a girl living with a bunch of guys and everybody's just like, "Yeah." Listen, so in college, in order I lived with a gay guy, or sorry, a bisexual guy, then a gay guy, then someone for Maryland. - You're not healthy. - So a gay guy. - And then a Turk. - Their version of this story is, I lived with the gay guy. - No, the one from Maryland was my favorite, even though he does have a crab tattooed on his shoulder. - This has gone so off the fucking rails. - The gay guy was actually probably my second favorite. - Boy. - The bisexual would have been my third favorite. - 'Cause he's less gay. - No, no, no, no. The first guy. - He was waiting them in levels of gay. - The first guy was a gay. - Homosexual bisexual. - And bisexual. - The best part of this is that last time I was here. I asked you guys for a video saying hi to that friend from Maryland and you called him names. - Yeah, that's right, but they start with a nap. I'm a big fan of that. - They're a relevant name, so I can't wait for this to come out and I can show to him. But, no, he's actually, he ran for a Maryland assembly and he unfortunately lost to the guy, propped up by Luigi Manigoni's uncle. - Interesting. - Oh yeah, there's a whole backstory there. - Yeah, so Alex Harland, Maryland, you should have voted for him. He was, he's great, he's beautiful. Anyway, yeah, no, it definitely went Maryland's gay guy, bisexual guy, Turkish guy. Why did this guy send you his penis? - That's a great question. - That's why you started telling you a story. - As a good point, I kinda do that. I'll start telling a story and then I don't really know where I'm going with it. - I'm reading my show notes and I'm like, "No, where are we going?" - Do you have gay penis questions? - The pinks from Tyler and the kids. - He asked me, he's like, so you ever like, you know, you ever been interested in, you know, maybe like, you know, trying to swing the other team. That's exactly, you know, right? And I was like, "Can you be honest, no." I was like, "I'm gonna let that on red." - But like, crazy story. I'm like, "You know, thanks for the offer." - You want to play Warzone? - So that was kind of the end of the conversation for a while. - For a while. He literally goes, "Well, after I said, I think, you know, no thanks, thanks for the offer, but that's cool." And he's like, "Would this change your mind?" And to be honest. - No! - He didn't change my mind, but I gotta say, that was probably above average. - Warzone, I think you're a gay man. - I wouldn't know, I wouldn't respond to it with frowny face, and red, and then never. - I think I knew it. - And it just been like, "I think I'm lonely." - And I'm like, "And I'm deleting my snapchat now." - I'm good. - I'm pretty sure I actually did respond. Like, in my mind, but not over text, obviously, with the nice cock, like, - Anglic. - Anglic. - You're not helping. But I was like, "I'm pretty good, I'm good with this." I don't need that. - But anyways, and you share in the same room in San Antonio, or like, what's going on? - Yeah, I send him a, but here's the thing, I'm sitting there on my little bean bag chair and my basement, my parents' place 'cause it's 2020, and I'm 22. - And you've been like, "Okay, this hole is six foot deep." - Oh, I'll keep taking it, I'll keep taking it. - I'll keep taking it. - So I'm sitting there, and it's about a month later. - So Stonewall was about that, huh? - It's about a month later, and I'm watching Tiger King, and I'm on, like, the seventh episode of Tiger King. - You're like, "I don't recognize that cock." - No, I'm looking on the screen. And I see this guy on an inner tube floating down a river, and I'm looking at my phone, going through my Snapchat stories, and you guys are gonna judge me for this. I did not unad him after he sent me the dick dick. - No, you went back to it to check. - Well, no, so I'm going back to your Instagram. - I'm going back to your Instagram. (laughing) - I'm going through my stories, and I see, sorry, no. In the show, he's not in the inner tube. In the show, he's on the screen, on my phone, he's on an inner tube, and I'm like, looking up at the screen, and I'm looking at my phone, I'm looking up at the screen, looking at my phone, I take a picture of my screen, I send it to him, and I'm like, "Yo, is that you?" And he's like, "Yeah, LOL." - Were you texting me? - Are you flirting with this gay guy? (laughing) - You're flirting with me for the first time. - I can see why I'm talking to a woman, I wanted to-- - I would see why you would think that. - And back now, that's what everyone said, yeah. - I was just very curious. - I'm sitting here, I'm sitting here, I'm sitting here. - This is a gay man who has a thing for me, and I want information about Tiger King. - Oh, I'm going to play the game. - I'm going to play the game, I'm going to let him-- - You're the chance. - Well, I get information about the Tiger King. This is why I'm successful at my job. - Do you remember what your job is about gaming? (laughing) - This is why I'm successful at my jobs, I will do whatever it takes to get the scoop. (laughing) And so I'm sitting there and I'm asking questions, I'm letting him flirt a little bit. Anyway, I'm going to show you what you said to Bigfoot. - Long story short, we had a lawsuit. Long story short, I ended up in a position. - What position? (laughing) - Where are? - Oh God. - I ended up in a position where I am offered. - A stake dinner next time I'm in Florida, which is the second weird stake dinner I've been offered. Richard Spence will also offer me one. - Oh. - Yeah, I interviewed Richard Spenser when I was a freshman in college writing for Libertarian Republic and he offered me a stake dinner if I was ever in Dallas, which honestly we're not that far from Dallas so maybe I should hit him up. - What other guys are trying to fuck you? - He's just trying to buy me a stake dinner. He's not trying to fuck you. - That's what I tell the girls to do. (laughing) - So anyway. Oh, you're in town? - Yeah. - Let's grab drinks. - On the Appalachian Trail. - You have questions, Mike. - All right, well, I guess this doesn't matter. - I am away from the dead past of what you're saying. - Let me make your penis. - This is the most off the rails this podcast has got in a long time. This is great. - No, I'm having a lot of time. - I'm crying, dude. - That's somewhere I'm happy to be 'cause I also hold the record for the longest episode of pop culture crisis. I was guessed there we were on five hours. - Good. - It's a fleet of. - You invited me for this guy's only club. - They were buying a lot of electronic music and nobody was wearing their shirts. - There's a lot of foam. - It was like, there's a guy's only bar for cool guys only. No, we're not. - Whether he's expensive, if somebody hands you leather, you take it. - Oh, put me. - No, that was the whole problem. I was trying to avoid that. I succeeded. He's still on my snapchat. I could message him right now. - Good God. - I didn't do it. - I'm gonna sing the podcast. - I was close friends list on Instagram. I was only fans promo. It's terrible. He's been like, "Ben-A-Minute, what's you up to?" - Paul right now. - Oh, dude, send him a U-Up text. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Just a big question, Mark. - Was just talking about you. - Yeah, just like that. - Yeah. - I'm just thinking of what I would text. - Dude, I was not kidding. - I was just talking about you. Ha-ha. - Put a heart. - Put a heart. - No. - Yeah, yeah. - No, no, no, no. - Don't we kiss you face. - Do we? - Yeah. - But you got to do the like, - The wig makes it super. - Yeah. - Yeah. - The not too sexual wink. There's two wink emojis and one above them. - There's no wink. - No, here we go. - I'm not kidding. This is the only thing I have to say from this conversation is me posting something about where I had to drive to. It was Shippen's Bird, Pennsylvania in July of 2020. I say, "Where the hell am I being paid to go?" As I'm driving through farmland. And he responds, "My bed." That's the only thing I have to hear. How deep is this roll? - I replied. - This is deeper than I've ever heard. - You would never have to get water-borted. (laughing) - You're texting this gay guy. - I never run for office, you can't run for office. - Can they say about me that I haven't already said? - What you said? - Exactly. - That's typically how it works. - Tell me how the Democrats spin everything I just said. - I just wanna see how you actually, I wanna see how you actually say it. - I'm telling you from experience. It's not hard. - Yeah, by the way, I just wanna keep saying, the staffer, the staffer that's being paid to watch this. - It's like having your own FBI agent. It really is, except they're getting paid way worse. (laughing) - Well, I was gonna ask, we'll put it back on the tracks. What is one of the craziest stories you've had for like the actual-- - I think that one, yeah. (laughing) - More pertaining to like the-- - You want me to one-up Tiger King's Huffins cock? - I was gonna say the four-one ones that actually became somewhat true. - You're guiding it away from that, let's see. - You're bad from you, not telling you're good. - We have the best job on the planet, dude. - Yeah, best job ever had. - The one I keep coming back to on that is Jordan Grider. Jordan Grider is probably the most inexplicable story I've ever come across. Dude, disappears while he's trying to, I mean, he was gonna die no matter what happened here, but he decided he was gonna try and spend the winter in North America. in Minnesota with nothing but a tarp, some like barley, some rice, some beans, a sleeping bag, and a hammock. Well, it made him kick. So this is kind of like the one who wrote the book where they went to Alaska. Into the wild. Into the wild. Yeah. We've been to the replica of his bus. Dude, that story annoyed me so much when I watched that movie for the first time. That was where that kid went out and was eating plants and shit. Yeah, and he got it wrong. Like the only reason he died is because he got it wrong because he took no one's advice. Like, the whole story is essentially him going through a series of like male role models that are all telling him, "Hey, you're going to Alaska by yourself is not a good idea. You're like 18. Like you don't know what you're doing." And he's like, "Ah, it's adventure. It's life." And like, the whole story is supposed to be this idea of like exploration and, you know, the last frontier and, you know, enjoying just being alive. But in the end, like literally, he has a book of berries he shouldn't eat. And he, like, misidentified it. And he, like, turns three pages and realizes that he ate something that will literally kill him slowly. It's weird reading the diaries because you're like, dude, knew he was dying and he's still right and shit. Well, and the worst thing is, too, is the berries that he ate were fat soluble, like the essentially was an element in it. So as he started trying to make things work while eating them, he was starting to get ill, but then because he was losing weight from not eating, he progressively got worse and worse. And like, if he had been capable of, you know, like properly like curing meat or like procuring any other food, he probably would have lived. Because he did kill like an elk or something big and then he just didn't know how to destroy the meat. Exactly. He tried to spoil life. And it's like, if he had done any preparation whatsoever before he went out there, he probably would still be alive. Yeah, fuck it. Yeah. Just, you know, uh, well, we'll make it work. We'll make a laska of all areas, very easy to survive in fucking wild to do that one and be like, man, this is my first trip and the fucking figure this shit. I will say the one thing that really surprised me when we went to Alaska for the first time was the fucking mosquitoes, holy shit. I didn't expect you to do that. I was like, huh, we're in Alaska. Why would they be in mosquitoes? Two things. One, they're huge as fuck. And two, you know how when you're sitting by a campfire, mosquitoes usually stay away. Yeah, opposite. In Alaska. No, they swarmed the fire. Well, to be fair, it in that area that's the only place the people are. That's the thing is it's the people and it's, um, you know, like animals have heat. So to them, that's food. So we were at the brewery. It's like 49 state brewing or whatever that has the replica of the bus of what it's his name, I can't remember his name, uh, Chris McCannless. And they have these fire pits outside. No one's sitting by them. I'm like, that's kind of weird. It seems kind of chill. And then I look at what the smoke is and it's not smoke. It's just giant mosquitoes, whole warming above the fire. Yeah, it's insane. Yeah. It's horrible. Because normally the smoke keeps it away. Like that's why like, I don't know, you know, campfire, citronella candles, whole nine yards, like that's their whole thing. Yeah. So I can self-care line with Carolina Tennessee, Alabama, and we just light a fire to keep him away. Yeah. That's wild, dude. Yeah. No, Alaska mosquitoes. Totally different breed. It's just dry. Oh my god. Yeah. I think did you have to read it in high school? I do. Yeah. Okay. But like every, every SF guy that I know, like growing up, like he, they, they all retired to Alaska. Like all those guys are just like, it's all on that place. Oh, when you go there, it's like, oh, I see why people live here. It's fucking gorgeous. When I was growing up my buddy and I, we watched this old VHS, um, the guy's name was Dick Perenniki, I think his name was, and he had retired from some job. I don't know what it was, but he was in his like 70s. And he went up in Alaska and found this. I think it's twin lakes, completely like hundreds of miles from where anybody is. He had to be flown in on a, like, pontoon plane or whatever they're called. And he was just by himself for like over a decade. And he built like a cabin and a food store. And he brought a camera and he would have, uh, once a month, a plane would give him some supplies, but he just recorded his life. He documented the whole thing. Yeah. Exactly. Because there's a series of little documentaries of just his personal, like 16 millimeter recordings of him just year after year living in this completely isolated area of Alaska alone. He built a log cabin, right? It's still there. That dude, if you've not watched that, this dude just went out there to live and then documented his entire life. And it is building a big ass cab like log cabin. He's in his 70s and he's doing all of this shit. He's just like, and I don't know if he narrated it or somebody else narrates it, but they read his diaries over all of the footage of him doing all this stuff. And he'll like just build this cabin by himself who go out like hunting and like, you know, trekking a sled of a moose back in like three feet of snow at like 70 something years old just by himself. He was like less strailed before less strailed was born. It was really cool. I've watched some of those. It's amazing because that dude, again, at that age, and you're like, holy shit, homie just did this 40 years before the internet. It's literally, it feels like a YouTube channel just in the seventies, eighties whenever he did it. Yeah, I'm in the outdoor. What was the outdoor voice? Yeah, outdoor voice. He's great. And I think he was interviewed and they asked him, like, so why did you do that? And he was like, I just got bored. I just wanted to go be alone for a while. Dude, if I like wasn't into my wife's dudes, that was a very unfortunate pause for you. You're reactionally just like, if you weren't into guys from Oklahoma, how'd you know he's from Oklahoma? That's where Tiger King takes place. Oh, okay. That's right. I thought it was Florida. I thought it was Florida too. That's where you're right. You're right at Oklahoma now. Yeah. That bitch Carol Baskin. You're pretty close to Oklahoma too. Just drive up there. Also, I just realized that, like, if you had normal length legs, you'd be a very tall man. Yeah. We've been over this many times. Yeah. It's really close to Florida. Yeah, it diverged. It diverged harder. You're large. Yeah, I mean, hands in specimen. Yeah. Well, this is something we've discovered. I was sitting next to two of our buddies who were six, five, and six, six, and sitting next to them, like, I'm right in between them. But for whatever reason, I just have corgi legs. Because in actuality, I'm five, six. But for whatever reason, torso wise, I have the torso of somebody who's like six, five. Yeah. They're like the meme of the cholo. Literally. Yeah. It's impressive. That's what gave it to me. It's sitting down. We are the same height. Yeah, right. Oh, yeah. That's not me. Three inches taller than this man. Yeah. Wow. It was weird. Do you have short arms, too? I don't know. It looks like you have never checked. I got a big head and arms. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah. So, short arms and short legs. I want you to know, man. I guess I would be a pretty good candidate for that Russian leg extension surgery, but that feels really dumb. It's super dumb. Really? Yeah. I was going to say gay, but I didn't. Yeah. I know I heard. Bring it. You want to insult me? Yeah. Nice. Okay. Going back to the last half of Minnesota. Last half of Minnesota? No. Which one? No. I'm going to have a high school. I have five uses of the big pass courtesy of Stephen's wife. The big pass. The big pass. You know the pass. But yeah, Jordan Grider, as I was saying, decided to go up into the woods in the boundary waters of Minnesota in 2018, and set up camp in a really stupid way, and he vanishes a couple of days later. He stops communicating with his family. They go out. They send the rangers out to look for him. They can't find him because he's off the trail in a remote part of the camp. He then decides, they then decide to wait until the snow melts. They still can't find him. Eventually, they do manage to just stumble across his campsite, and inside, they discover not Jordan Grider, but arterial spray on the inside of the tent, right, room. They also find that his sleeping bag and hammock are soaked in blood. But there's no body in the hammock. There's also no signs of predation. There's no claw marks. There's no teeth marks. Big foot. A pack. Oh, pack. You kind of think it. So by the end of the story, you're kind of like a big foot, I guess, because there's no claw marks, no signs of predation, all of the conservationists, the ecologists, all of the people they bring in from the naturalist side of things, where this doesn't look like a bear attack. This doesn't look like a wolf attack. This doesn't look like a mountain lion attack. It's too clean. The sleeping bag should be ripped to shreds if he was in the sleeping bag. The hammock should be ripped up. The tarp maybe should have rips in it. They should have gone for the other food in the tent. This doesn't make any sense. And the one guy, even so he's like, it wasn't a bear. It wasn't a wolf. It wasn't a when to go. And you're like, now, why would you say that? The human. Now, why would you say it wasn't a when to go? Also, why are you the fucking expert on when to go? I'm the expert on when to go. Clearly, this wasn't that. So you have experience with when to go cases. Sorry, are you telling me that this has come up before? People have been suggesting this was a when to go before. I'm going to bet it has. How many times are there suspected when to go killings going on in Minnesota? But the more I looked at it, the more I was like, there is literally nothing else that makes sense. What are you mean? That this was a human, which when to go is a human. Yeah, that's another one of those things where it's going to give the definition. Yeah. So when to go is somebody who has consumed human flesh either out of desperation, killed a human and consumed their flesh either out of desperation or greed or just the regular human. In history. Historically, yes. So like, Donna, Donna Party was full of when to go. Technically, yeah. Well, one primary one. But there is one guy in that group who it does seem like he got when to go psychosis, which is an actual diagnosis. Well, what isn't there like an enzyme in your preons? There's also a preon disease. Okay. He did not have it. This guy from the Donner party, his whole thing was he had started eating people and the reason people have suggested you might have had when to go psychosis is because when they found him, he was sitting next to an uncovered frozen ox that was edible and he was instead eating human brains. So you're saying when to go psychosis like it's a real observable medical disease. Oh, when to go psychosis actually no. I've never it's a type of cultural psychosis. It's when you have a belief that so embedded in your culture that you it's like the placebo effect kind of like you're so wrong, but you're like you believe in your heart of hearts that if you consume human flesh you become a when to go. So these people because it's so imbued in them culturally, if you consume human flesh you become a when so it's like cannibalistic sugar pills. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy basically. But there and there's instances where like there was this guy Jack. So it'll come to me eventually. He was a a Native American man who was a member of I think the Chippewa and I think like 1906 the Canadian government gets word that this guy has been killing people and so they go up and they encounter him and they're like have you been killing people and he's like yes I have and they're like well you got to come with us and he's like why and they're like because you live under Canadian law and his whole tribe goes what because nobody had ever told them they lived under Canadian law now. So they're still operating under their old tribal legal system in which if somebody is concerned they're going to become a when to go and their family goes to the local when to go killer and says hey my husband my father whatever he's he's going to become a when to go. I need you to do something about it. They would go and they would euthanize the person and so the thing is this is usually only in circumstance where somebody is already deeply psychotic or very ill or you know they've they've committed an active cannibalism or something like there are a bunch of different reasons why you might contact your local when to go killer but it was literally kind of like a vampire slayer like you know there was the idea that there's there was this thing that was gonna happen and if you didn't kill the person they would turn into something so you'd have older men who are going senile who are convinced they're becoming a when to go who will call the local when to go killer who will come and euthanize them. So Canada has been practicing. Otherwise they kill their very well. Yeah ironically the Canadian the Canadian government ended up killing this man. Well not really they sense into death and then during his appeal hit the end up dying in prison. But they had up basically killing the guy because you can't just kill people because you know they're dying and they want to be out of their misery and now Canada's like we're gonna kill infants because they're in pain. So you know everything goes around comes around. But yeah so if you look at it it's like with Jordan grider situation there's nothing that makes sense other than a human doing this but there's also no explanation for why a human would do this. Yeah like humans do. There was nothing to steal from them. He had his keys to his car too. Well there's like a theory that he got into like a bar fight before he went out there. There was a theory that he onto a bar fight. The most popular theory was that evidence behind that. It was basically that he might have pissed somebody off in the nearest town which is half an hour away. There was one theory that he was shaving with a pocket knife which is something he was apparently known to do. And then got raptured. And then he asked him to say is that he didn't ask. You don't hear about that. Oh my god. I can't even think about that. This is like the leading theory. This is the leading theory that he's shaving with his pocket knife accidentally slices his carotid and then takes the time to take his pocket knife over the loco pond clean it off put it back in his sheath then walk back over somewhere else and bleed out in the snow. It's what I do when I'm bleeding my cell. All of his knives were found clean and they're making a mess. All of his knives are found clean and in their sheets and everybody somebody's like maybe he cut himself shaving with his body though. Well they found what was left of it. All three pieces. What was that? What the harm. Sure. Him locking. I'm bleeding. I'm bleeding like the shit. You're going to go to the YNCA. They never found it. You're bleeding. You're bleeding. I'm going to go somewhere. I'm bleeding out from my neck. I raised my hand. How far from his tent was he found though? Body parts. He's like his body parts are found within 20 to 40 feet of the tent but not in the same place. Body parts. Yeah. Okay. Well that was he dismembered on bones. Yeah. I didn't know that makes it a lot harder. It's like an animal attack but then you see the clean spray and you're like not an animal attack. I can see why that was maybe. Now animal scavenging of the body once he was dead. That's most likely. That's probably the question is how the fuck did he die because it's again it's not an animal attack. It doesn't seem self-inflicted and there's no reason for anybody to kill him. He was he didn't have any wealth. He didn't have anything with him. He had a gun but the gun was left behind. Camping alone too. You're not going to tell anybody where he went. Like most likely to if he had a gun he's not going to call himself the knife. Yeah. It just nothing about it makes sense. Aside from being another person you ask yourself why would another person do this. The only reason you can really come up with is just wanton malice you know in which case you're kind of looking at a win-to-go in a sense but I don't think that's the first thing that I'd ever jump to is. No the other thing is like what serial killers is going to be out in the middle of the woods being like I can't wait to find my next victim in the middle of no way. One who wants to get away with it. Yeah. We have a we have a viewer who lives in this area and he was like yeah there's fucking nothing there. Yeah. How far away is far removed is this from like a city or how far do you have to mark 30 miles. Jesus. Okay. And again when we say city when we say city we're talking about a town of 6000 people. Because I still go towards a human. It's just the likelihood of the fuck random dude out in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. I'm listening to him. Yeah and what are the chances not only that there's a random person out there who happens to rent of this guy but also this person is the one and a thousand people who's a serial killer. So far I'm I'm my my my theory right now is careful there. My mind is careful not lying so I'm a very delicate outline. There's no tears in anything. So I'm missing a nigma who you guys should definitely have on the show at some point. He's great. His name's Nick. He I he did a video on it first and I waited like six months and did one on it too. Both of them did phenomenally well which is awesome. It's great when you get to do the same stories and other channel. You really respect and both of you get to profit off of it. That's awesome. Yeah with collaborative. I'm on a couple of a couple of things. Yeah. He's great on the Dennis Martin stuff too. He knows there's a lot of good drawing and animations. That being said one nick on this podcast is probably too much. As long as it's not currently here. Oh it's true. We got two eight and so two eights is enough. Yeah two eights twice. We get you a third if you want. There's more. I guarantee you could on your snapchat. Probably do have an eight and all right. It's never going away. No it's not you know it's I'm very popular amongst the gaze. I've known this a long time. I got a lot of really thirsty DMs when I first popped off on tick tock. This is what I mean the door. This is what I'm saying. Like this. He would not be women and they're all were attractive but I sure they were nice to men. Why go into the tone accent there for a second. I didn't realize I did. You did. We just kind of like imply something and you just like fucking slam open that door and run through it. You know what I'm good at that. It's just a cool laid man. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Good. God. You know I thought that now that I was married maybe I could make some jokes but apparently not. You just get a little help that I forgot to wear my ring. Well you forgot. I was fixed. I realize it's going to sound even more gay. I was fixing my hair. And I took out my ring to do it. And I forgot to put it back on. Honey I forgot that's the way. I was going out to hang out. She's gonna do. You want to borrow mine? What? So do you want to borrow mine? Will it fit? I don't know. I'll try it. I'm a little worried wasn't put it on. It's not going to come off. Is it gay for me to take your ring and probably not be my wife having married? I think you're right. We're one of the people on the internet find you both. That's just the poll tonight. Stonewall. Stonewall. No we are you can find us mainly on the lore lodge here on YouTube or pepper box or wherever you're at. We have like 16 channels just like that's the big one. Also history on Hinge which is basically we took this format and went what if we did that with history specifically. So that's what that is. And the lore labs which is our show that we do together. It's a discussion format. Sometimes we have guests. Am I forgetting anything? I do silver attention. I'm talking about movies. What's your snapchat? You know what to do. See I'm terrified. This is going to get so many that are big going to be people being like how does it compare to his next time we're down here I'm going to rate all of them with your username attached. You're going to get more now. Just a warning just a warning it's going to happen. What's first prize get? Arrested. Signed picture of my face I don't want to know what you do with it. I was going to say something else about one of our weird Bible. Yeah, we have a Christianity show. Weird Bible? Yeah, the word Bible podcast. Isaiah Wendiguin used to be on it. He got busy. Well, we also barely have a couple things. Yeah. He's got a few thing, a few irons in the fire. Well, to get some context about what the purpose of the show is is that we generally will talk about stories from the Bible that people don't really consider in depth. Like, for example, the story of Samson. Yeah, the whole idea is the stories you heard in Sunday school that you didn't really think about at the time. But now you look back on him and you're like, what the fuck was that? For example, it was my favorite line from from like, well, one of my favorite lines from like a biblical stories that the Samson story were like, you just realized like, Oh, the writer of this is very cheeky. Yeah. Yeah, we're just like that. Oh, no, with the jawbone of an ass, I've killed 10,000 men with a jawbone of an ass. I've made asses of them. Yeah, yeah. I see what you did. Well, I also had part of you guys familiar with the giant wheel of burning foxes. What? Yeah, one point Samson ties a whole bunch of foxes together by the tails and just like lights them on fire and rolls them through a farmer's fields. The best part is that the next day the farmer comes out and he goes, who have done this? That is in the Bible. It's in the King James. Yeah, he comes out of his head. He's like, what the fuck? All these stories actually have like surprising amounts of humor. Like a pity for the gourd. Oh, yeah. The Jonas sitting there after he like goes to Nineveh and preaches and he's like sitting up on the hill waiting for God to smite Nineveh for its wickedness and God isn't smiting it and God's like, well, if you're going to be here a while, I'll grow this plant next to you and he grows up a gourd and he's the Jonas sitting under it and then God's like, all right, dude, not like you've been here a while and he makes the gourd with her to basically be like, hey, it's time to move on and Jonah gets upset and God's like, why are you angry over the plant? He's literally because Jonas isn't right for you to have pity for the gourd. Well, like in the text, Jonah has not wanted to go to this town because he's worried he's going to like get killed because they're all horrible people and God's like, just do it, dude. And he goes and he's like, hey, God told me you guys should repent and you'll be saved and the entire city is like, we thought he gave up on us. That's crazy. And so they all like start becoming like better people and Jonah goes up on the hill and he's like, just smite him. Come on, I'm here. I want to see it. God's like, they're making changes. Why would you want me to do that? And Jonah's like angstiest shit. He's like, no, I want to see it burn and God's like, okay, dude, that wasn't the point. And with the gourd thing, he's like, does that look pity for the gourd in the sense of, he's upset that the plant does die well to have pity for the gourd. But he's upset that the plant died because he doesn't get shade, but he's sitting there being like, I want you to murder thousands of people. And the whole point is essentially it was like, why are you upset about the death of, you know, the plant instead of the people that you want me to smite. Whole point being is like, hey, people can actually change and become better people. Don't just be upset about things that only affect you. Think about other people as well. And it's like, I got swallowed over this. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and he only got swallowed because he just wouldn't, he was literally trying to flee from his responsibility. And then all of the sailors were like, oh, you're upsetting God. Bye. No, Jonah was like, oh, I'm upsetting God. I'm going to get off the boat. Like it was Jonah who's like, this is my fault. I better get off the boat and then he gets swallowed by a fish. Yeah. And that's I think that's why we talk about all these stories because, hey, there's details people don't think about and be he comes out of from the Christian perspective. I take the secular point of view in the sense of like, hey, even if you don't believe in any of this shit, is there anything valuable here for some interesting? And that's the thing is like, you know, with some of these stories, like there's a reason they've lasted for thousands of years because there's actually valuable lessons, whether you believe in the, you know, religious elements. It's kind of like the Peterson approach. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I there's a there's also a great section in Daniel. We have an episode on this episode this this chapter where Daniel's at this big feast thrown by Balthajar, the king of Babylon. And he's like, hey, I had, you know, had this dream that I want you to interpret it for me. And Daniel comes in and he has the way it's headlined in the King James version is that there's God's contribution to the feast, which is the handwriting on the wall. Daniel's contribution to the feast, the pronouncement of doom. Balthajar is contribution to the feast, unrestrained sensuality. And these are some of my favorite headers in the Bible. I usually just bring cornbread. Yeah, see that. His wife was famously a whore. The whore of where? I can't remember. It starts with a beat. There was a town. I do enjoy when people tell me like, you know, oh, you're you're being very rude and very insulting. That's unChristian. I'm like, there's an entire chapter of Matthew where Jesus is just roasting the Pharisees. Like it's called the woes of the Pharisees. And he spends the whole chapter just being like, you are serpent spawn, you are Satan's children. You don't understand the faith. You're taking money for loans. Like he's just too lazy to be into him to be fair. People usually say judgment is reserved for who again. Yeah, it's fair point. Just a devil's advocate here. God's advocate here. Also, the public crusade on AI has been the most like pro Roman Catholic I've felt in a long time. Good. We'll bring you back around. Yeah, no, no. If listen, if the pope declares a crusade, I might come back. He just wants to fight, been a while, time for the ninth. Cody, you want to close this out? You beautiful son of a bad. Absolutely. Thank you guys for joining the Unstried podcast. I was joined today by Eli double tap, Gang Trout, Ain from Loreluch, Ain from Loreluch, Brandon Arrero, myself, Donna operator. We love you. It's a fun episode. Bye. We'll see you again. You won't love my man. We'll see you again.