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The BBC World Service documentary "People Fixing the World" is transitioning to a new platform, offering a limited-time window to experience its stories of global environmental restoration. The episode focuses on India’s Kashmir, where two vital lakes—Wooler and Dal—are recovering from decades of pollution and ecological degradation. In Wooler, after massive silt removal and invasive willow tree clearance, lotus flowers returned and water quality improved, sparking hope for fish and bird populations. At Dal Lake, residents and workers have pioneered a sustainable solution by harvesting toxic weeds and converting them into organic fertilizer. This process not only reduces lake pollution but also supports local farmers, who are shifting from chemical to organic fertilizers under government-backed policies. Farmers report better crop yields and healthier fruit, while the ecosystem begins to balance. Though challenges remain—such as untreated sewage and industrial runoff—community efforts and policy changes are creating a stronger, healthier environment. The story highlights how grassroots action, combined with systemic support, can transform environmental crises into opportunities for resilience, community income, and ecological revival. It underscores a hopeful message: solutions exist when people work together to restore what nature has lost.
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I'm your host, Maira Anubi,
and the person who is an optimist,
about a better future.
So today, I'm taking you to India
to meet people who are working hard
to stop their lakes from disappearing.
I used to live quite close to a lake,
and it was one of the best experiences,
just being able to go over and sit by its shores,
and occasionally we would see hippos sneak out of the water,
and also being able to catch the sun setting on its horizon.
The lake was always inviting.
It was a place where family and friends
would come together to meet,
but also it was a lifeline for many people
who fished and fed from it.
So, I'm sad because around the world,
lakes are disappearing.
I mean, just looking at this,
Lake Mgami in Botswana,
Lake Mead in the US,
Marley, Bolivia,
Rising Temperatures,
Pollution, Rapid Urbanization and Encouragement,
these are just some of the many reasons
why lakes are under enormous pressure.
But this show is all about solutions,
and our search today is taking us to India
where our reporter, Chavi Satchdev,
has visited two lakes in the northern state of Kashmir,
to see how they've turned a corner.
I've got Chavi on the line, Chavi, before we start.
I mean, Kashmir, it's known for many things,
including having some of the largest freshwater lakes
in the world, right?
It is, it's also unfortunately known
for its place in political and international conflict,
but it is very, very beautiful,
and it has something like 700 lakes surrounded by mountains,
which is why it's also known as Paradise on Earth.
Earlier this year, though,
I also saw alarming headlines,
and one of them said that more than 500 lakes
in the state are set to disappear.
500 is so many.
I mean, Chavi, what's happening?
Well, let me give you an example.
Wooler, once the largest freshwater lake in Asia,
it's far northwest in India,
towards the Pakistan border,
has been not only the lifeline
for the 30 villages around it,
it's also an important flood basin for the entire state.
But in 1992, there were massive floods in the region.
When the floodwaters receded,
the basin was left with a lot of additional silt
or sediment, and everything,
from fish to flowers or affected.
And when authorities mapped the catchment areas,
they found that the lake had lost an estimated 30 percent
of its capacity.
I mean, that sounds really bad,
but the big question is,
how then do you save a dying lake, Chavi?
Well, it takes a lot of work.
And in Wooler, they have been doing a lot
to bring the lake back to life.
And Maira, there's a very special flower involved,
so I had to go see for myself.
I've just gotten in a small wooden boat
with a wide cushioned seat and a canopy.
Our boatman, or Shikaravala, is 19-year-old Faisal,
and he's alternating between using the motor
and skillfully rowing with the traditional heart-shaped paddle.
It used to be really nice here.
There was a lot of water,
and we harvested lotuses, water chestnuts,
and even got fodder for our cows.
There was plenty of water.
That's what my father and grandfather tell me.
It was clean.
We bathed in it.
You could even drink it.
But it started to get dirty.
Then in 1992, when the flood came,
the lotus flowers finished.
They disappeared entirely.
For some, lotuses are just a pretty water flower,
but for Kashmiri culture, cuisine,
and even the local economy,
lotuses are really special.
After lotuses ripen,
their seed pods and stems are harvested and sold.
So when the lotuses disappeared,
it was a real blow for the local communities.
And the flood didn't just affect the lotuses,
it also affected other aquatic crops,
like water chestnuts.
Even the water chestnuts,
which we call shingadas, dwindled,
our livelihood was really diminished.
But many years later, things are improving.
As far as the eye can see,
there are dozens of kishtis
or wooden boats narrow like canoe,
moving across the lake.
The kishtis are occupied by mostly women
in wide brimmed hats and gloves,
who are gathering up the water chestnuts.
Under a cloudless sky,
the water chestnut patches are so dense,
the lake actually looks green.
I feel like I could walk on them.
So what changed?
A consortium of government departments
called the Wooler Lake Conservation and Management Authority,
or Wukma, stepped in to revive the lake.
The main thing they did is to remove
eight million cubic meters of silt from the lake.
That's more than 3,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools worth.
They distributed this rich fertile soil
to farmers in the area,
and also used it to build dikes around Wooler
to prevent future flood-related incidents.
Five years ago, the dredging started,
and because of that,
now the lotuses are slowly, slowly coming back,
and so are the water chestnuts.
Faisal says the dredging dramatically
changed the lake for the better.
This water here used to play cricket here.
It was actually an open ground.
People from many villages came and played cricket.
There were many trees also.
Even now, there are small islands within the lake.
There are geese roosting there,
and cattle grazing after swimming over from the shore.
Closer to the shore,
I see hundreds of submerged trees sticking out.
These willow trees sprung up after the 1992 flood,
and are considered invasive in this area.
Altaf Hussein is from Wukma,
and he tells me the target is to cut two million willows,
of which they've cut 140,000.
It is a habitat intervention.
It's not just any other kind of a deforestation,
because in order to conserve the lake,
this is what is required.
So this is prescription rather than just simply
the removal of the trees.
It's not destruction.
Because that is essential for the revival of the mullah.
Once the silt soil and willow trees have been removed,
water can move in and take their place.
Sunlight can filter through the water,
and with this space, light, and oxygen,
the rhizomes of the lotuses
that are still dormant in the lake bed start to germinate.
And lo and behold,
a miracle nobody was expecting happened last year.
Notices were back.
The lake was carpeted in gorgeous pink blossoms.
Local bird watchers also reported that last year,
migratory birds from Siberia were spotted
for the first time in decades,
and improved water oxygen levels
are expected to result in better fish breeding, too.
There are still plenty of challenges, though.
In a different part of the lake,
Niza Ramdhar and his wife have peeled off their gloves,
opened a thermos of chai,
and are stopped for a tea break.
They've been harvesting water chestnuts for decades.
They were bigger back then.
Now they're small.
Niza Ram tells me before the flood,
collecting a boat full of water chestnuts took only two hours.
Now it takes them six.
But he's hopeful he can start making more money,
not just from the water chestnuts.
I make much more profit from lotus seeds.
That's how this happens in November.
It's a lot more effort, and it's cold work.
I have to get chest high in water in the freezing cold,
but I make a lot more money.
And as our boat's idle,
I notice another problem,
an unmistakable brown film on the water.
And now we are literally
cutting through
sewage that's
on the surface of the lake.
It's filthy.
We've got bathroom waste coming straight into Wooler.
I don't get into the water without my uniform,
which is waterproof.
And yes, I wear gloves.
The conservation authority know about this,
and told me fixing untreated waste
coming into the lake is a high priority.
They're building several new sewage treatment plants
on an accelerated timeline.
The vision is to have cleaner water,
healthier flora and fauna,
and eventually bring back tourists and bird watchers.
People go to see tulips in Amsterdam,
cherry blossoms in Kyoto,
why not Lotus is in Wooler?
Back on shore, my boatman's dad, Mushtaq, agrees that the return of the notice
heralds a more hopeful future for everyone in the district.
"The lake is our life, from childhood I have worked in the lake, I have educated my boy from the lake,
our life, our earnings, everything, it all depends on the lake."
This is the documentary from the BBC World Service.
"I'm Maira and you'll be in your listening to people fixing the world, and in this episode,
it's all about restoring India's wonderful lakes.
I've still got our reporter Chavi Sachdev down the line,
this time with a solution to save another lake that's pretty famous."
Not just pretty famous, Maira, it's the most famous lake in India.
It's called Dal, and it's in the heart of the capital city Shrinagar.
Many famous Bollywood songs are set in Delhi.
Since the 50s, we've seen our movie stars romance on Shakara Boots,
cavorting with gorgeous snow-capped peaks in the backdrop.
It's very beautiful and very romantic.
"I'm sure I've seen this in some of the movies I've watched as well,
but Chavi, the lake is in trouble, right?"
"Yes, there are a lot of issues, like chemicals and waste getting into the lake.
It's not great for the lake or the fish or the birds,
and it also results in too many weeds.
A problem one man came face-to-face with."
"During a walk that me and my wife decided that we'll take along the Dal lake,
I saw these piles of lake weeds accumulated."
This is Maninder Singh Nayar.
More than 10 years ago, he was at the lake to celebrate his first wedding anniversary
when he saw how bad the situation was.
"When I went close to the water, trying to feel the moment beautiful
as it's shown in movies, Shakara and all that,
I was really surprised by the reality that the lake was choking,
the water was green and orange at many places.
The weed was accumulated on the banks of the lake at multiple places.
And the whole scene was just not good to smell and see."
Now, Maira, when most people visit Kashmir,
they return home with its beautiful embroidery or prepare masheh handicrafts.
But Maninder was different.
He took three kilograms of weeds back home.
He's poor wife.
Apparently, she's used to him because he was already working in the field of waste management,
and he was determined to find a solution.
After spending some time testing the weeds, he realized they could be turned into something useful.
"What we planned and what we have been able to do is,
that we take this lake weed, converted into organic manure
through a process which is environmentally beneficial."
So Chavi, he started turning the weeds into fertilizer.
That's right.
And so I went to the lake to see how it's done.
At 8 a.m. every morning, more than a hundred boatmen set out to call weeds from the lake.
"So I've just met 14 of the weed collectors
they're gathered on the embankment for a break.
They're having tea, and then they demonstrate it for me how to get treats out.
On their fish, these dogboaks, which are made out of a deodar cedar wood.
And they each have a willow, tree stem branch.
It was long and skinny but always bent,
and that's what they use to basically get the twirl of the weed out of the water
like you would twirl spaghetti around the fork until it snaps.
And then they pull out a bunch of it that's wrapped around,
put it in the middle of the boat.
And eventually when the boat is full, they come to the unloading site.
And dump it all there.
In peak summer, when the weeds are really abundant,
there could be up to 400 men to call weeds or gas as they call it.
One of the weed collectors who's been working the lake since he was a child is Muhammad Kasim.
So do you think this work is important?
Oh yes, the lake has so many means.
We can't leave them. They'll only get worse.
We have to maintain the lake.
I'm actually reporting about the new facility that's making it into fertilizer.
Oh yes, fertilizer.
Oh yeah, they took it to a dumping site.
I think what they're doing today is better.
That they make compost and give to the landowners, to the farmers and orchards.
Two kilometers up from where I meet the weed collectors is Maninther's bio fertiliser plant.
On 11 acres of land provided by the lake conservation management authority of Dal,
most of the site is open ground, except for a shed with large machinery and a small hill of nearly dry and ready compost.
Round back is the collection area where every day their trucks make multiple trips carrying tons of dripping wet weeds fresh from the lake.
I've been told to move away as the truck bed is raised or even further back because there is some stinky stuff coming out.
Okay, that was 3,000 kilograms of weed from Dal Lake.
And it smells quite, quite awful actually.
So the truck has dumped them into a little bit of a sink.
There is a little channel made for the water to drip out.
I can see stems that are long and skinny, reddish brown, the leaves look green on the top surface but mostly it's just covered in filth.
It smells like sewage.
After the weeds have dried in the sun, they're taken through the machines.
They are wrung out and shredded into smaller pieces.
Then they are ground up into paste, sorted and cleaned to remove all plastic and debris.
They are treated for heavy metals and also enriched with nutrients, with testing after each stage to ensure the fertilizer is meeting industry standards.
So they fall through the hopper and they go into a bag and how, oh wow, that's a lot of fertilizer. How much is in each bag?
50 kg.
50 kgs of fertilizer.
It takes three truckloads of weed to make one bag of fertilizer. But the problem with the weeds is larger than this.
Weeds will continue to flourish and grow unless there's a change in the way farming is done around Dal Lake.
It's the runoff from the chemicals used in orchards and fields, draining into the lake and making a perfect ecosystem for weeds to abound that needs to be addressed.
Which brings us to another part of the solution. Because farmers can now turn away from chemical fertilizers and switch to the organic fertilizer.
70 kms from Dal Lake in one pole, Ruby Begum grows apples, plums and apricots.
She switched to the organic fertilizer made from weeds two years ago and she still sprays with pesticide but much less.
Maybe six times in a season which is half of what she'd need to spray if she were using chemical fertilizer.
I asked if she's happy with the result and if it's changed anything.
And she said the fruit is better, of course. And I can see that the apples and plums are really shiny and huge.
She buys the bio fertilizer from Gulam Rasul Itu, a farmer who owns the local agricultural supply store.
Though he also sells regular fertilizer, he himself doesn't use any.
He is such a staunch supporter of organic farming. He makes a compelling case for it to all his customers whether they grow fruit or vegetables.
See, first of all, the price is better. Normal fertilizer costs 3,000 rupees or $30 for 100 kilos.
It comes from far away so the shipping cost is a big component of the price.
It has a higher carbon footprint and of course it's full of chemicals.
Gulam Rasul Itu thinks it is the ultimate solution.
This organic fertilizer costs one-third less which is a huge saving.
And then there's a question of our health who doesn't want to eat safer, healthier food.
I know soon enough people will drive the market towards chemical free fertilizers.
He has one last weapon in his arsenal. It's now recommended by the government.
The state's directorate of horticulture has officially endorsed a comprehensive transition policy to shift the farmers and orchidists away from chemical fertilizers and toward tested bio organic alternatives.
in this video, which is shared on messages
The head of the Horticultural Departments is yes, the process is slow, but farmers can
do integrated farming over a three-year period to wean themselves off conventional fertilizers
and within a few harvest they will stop needing chemical insecticides.
Organic fertilizers, it says, will be better for their crop yields and for their health.
From Maninda, the state's backing provides the ultimate validation.
So over a period of time, what we'll see, it will have a magical effect in the entire
natural ecosystem of Kashmir.
At one side, the quality of apples will get better.
On the other side, chemical fertilizers use will get decreased and on the other side,
the lake will get its restoration and it will get better and better ecologically.
Chavi, this is a proper trash to treasure or story, but I'm just wondering, would it be better
also for the lake to just find a permanent solution to get rid of the weeds?
A hundred percent, Myra, but for that what's coming into the lakes has to be managed better.
The industrial and chemical runoff has to decrease and always must be treated.
There are several smaller NGOs that are working to clean up plastic and other waste material
from the lake and there are also a couple of environmentalists raising awareness amongst
the boat people and residents about cleaning it up.
So Chavi, with a work that is happening, is it making a difference?
It is, the lake is healthier, removing weeds helps water flow and also improves oxygen
for fish and other aquatic life and it's also helping the city.
Many locals told me that earlier the heaps of weeds used to obviously look terrible but
also smell really noxious.
Now every truckload of weeds hauled off to the facility is also a truckload of chemicals
and heavy metals that are permanently removed from the ecosystem.
I see Chavi, so the hope is while the efforts to stop the pollution scale up what's happening
with the weeds kindly is important for the immediate survival of the lake.
Exactly right.
And I have to share with you one of the most hopeful things I saw when I was leaving the
organic apple orchard.
The farmers showed me ladybugs on the leaves and myra ladybugs seem to have disappeared
ages ago.
I haven't seen one in years.
Well, they're supposed to be a sign of good luck so hopefully you're giving us a bit
of that on the programme as well.
Thank you so much for what we've heard today, Chavi.
Thank you Mora.
And that brings us to the end of today's episode but as always I will be fishing around for
more solutions.
Remember you can always reach out by sending a WhatsApp message or voice note to the number
platform for 8000-321-721.
You've been listening to the documentary from the BBC World Service with me, Myra and
Ubi.
Until next time, thanks for listening.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The documentary "People Fixing the World" is moving to a new platform, with episodes available for a limited time before becoming accessible globally through BBC World Service podcasts.
In India’s Kashmir, lakes like Wooler and Dal are facing severe environmental threats from pollution, urbanization, and sedimentation.
The Wooler Lake restoration project removed eight million cubic meters of silt and cut invasive willow trees, enabling the return of lotuses and water chestnuts.
Lake Dal’s weeds are being transformed into organic fertilizer through a community-driven process, reducing pollution and providing a sustainable economic alternative for locals.
Farmers like Ruby Begum are switching from chemical to bio-organic fertilizers, leading to healthier crops and reduced runoff into the lake.
Government policies now support a three-year transition to organic farming, reducing chemical use and improving ecological balance.
Despite progress, ongoing challenges include untreated sewage and industrial runoff, requiring expanded waste management and pollution control.
The initiative exemplifies a "trash to treasure" model, where local communities turn environmental problems into solutions that benefit both ecosystems and livelihoods.
Summary:
The BBC World Service documentary "People Fixing the World" is transitioning to a new platform, offering a limited-time window to experience its stories of global environmental restoration. The episode focuses on India’s Kashmir, where two vital lakes—Wooler and Dal—are recovering from decades of pollution and ecological degradation. In Wooler, after massive silt removal and invasive willow tree clearance, lotus flowers returned and water quality improved, sparking hope for fish and bird populations.
At Dal Lake, residents and workers have pioneered a sustainable solution by harvesting toxic weeds and converting them into organic fertilizer. This process not only reduces lake pollution but also supports local farmers, who are shifting from chemical to organic fertilizers under government-backed policies. Farmers report better crop yields and healthier fruit, while the ecosystem begins to balance.
Though challenges remain—such as untreated sewage and industrial runoff—community efforts and policy changes are creating a stronger, healthier environment. The story highlights how grassroots action, combined with systemic support, can transform environmental crises into opportunities for resilience, community income, and ecological revival. It underscores a hopeful message: solutions exist when people work together to restore what nature has lost.
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The documentary focuses on real-world solutions to environmental challenges, highlighting efforts to restore lakes and protect ecosystems in places like India’s Kashmir.
Wooler Lake lost 30% of its capacity due to silt from 1992 floods. It was restored by removing eight million cubic meters of silt, planting native vegetation, and cutting invasive willow trees to improve water flow and ecosystem health.
Lake weeds are collected, dried, shredded, and processed into organic fertilizer by a bio-fertilizer plant. This process removes plastic, heavy metals, and turns waste into a sustainable farming solution.
Farmers using organic fertilizer report better-quality fruit, reduced pesticide use (cut by half), and lower costs—up to one-third cheaper than chemical fertilizers.
Yes, new sewage treatment plants are being built, and local NGOs are working to clean plastic and other waste. The government also supports a transition to organic farming to reduce chemical runoff into lakes.
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